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Speaker 1: need when you need them Welcome to The Piked and
Speaker 1: Massacre Returned to Pike County, a production of iHeartRadio and
Speaker 1: Katie Studios. You've got all these scenarios in your head.
Speaker 1: I think this may have happened, or maybe they did this.
Speaker 1: Every family of a murder victim does that. You lay
Speaker 1: in bed and you think, what happened? Why did they
Speaker 1: do this? Who did this? There's someone out there roaming
Speaker 1: around that killed two people that you could be standing
Speaker 1: beside in the grocery store, and that's scary. This is
Speaker 1: The Piked and Massacre Returned to Pike County, Season two,
Speaker 1: Episode ten, Hopper Road. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a television producer
Speaker 1: at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane. Over
Speaker 1: the course of producing this series, we've spoken to several
Speaker 1: members of the road and family. Because of a gag
Speaker 1: order and impending trials for the Wagner family, they have
Speaker 1: been unable to go on record, but earlier this year,
Speaker 1: one member of the family told us that her friend,
Speaker 1: a piked In resident named Angie Montgomery, wanted to share
Speaker 1: a story about her own family and a loss they
Speaker 1: had suffered some years back. Coincidentally, that same week, a
Speaker 1: listener wrote in asking about that exact case. So for
Speaker 1: this bonus episode, as we gear up to the season
Speaker 1: finale next week, we decided to look into it. Angie,
Speaker 1: perhaps more than most people, can empathize with what the
Speaker 1: Rodents are going through. When we spoke to Angie, she
Speaker 1: had just heard about Jake Wagner's plea deal in the
Speaker 1: Roden murder case. This news hit Angie especially hard. She
Speaker 1: told us that she immediately reached out to her Roden
Speaker 1: family friend. I remember texting her. I'm just telling her
Speaker 1: I was sorry. That had a hurt so bad, knowing
Speaker 1: that you sat down to eat Christmas dinner with these people,
Speaker 1: you went to church with these people, So I can't
Speaker 1: imagine finding that out. Angie reflects back on the day
Speaker 1: the bodies of eight members of the Roden family were found.
Speaker 1: I think we lost our innocence that day. We lost
Speaker 1: our wholesomeness, our trust, we lost everything. It was like
Speaker 1: you were in a daze. This isn't happening, and you're like,
Speaker 1: where am I living? What's going on here? It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Angie's bewilderment is no doubt informed by her own tragic
Speaker 1: loss ten years before the Roden family was gunned down.
Speaker 1: Her cousin Curtis Francis and his fiancee, Jennifer Brigett were
Speaker 1: also murdered in Pike County. Angie spoke with producer Chris
Speaker 1: Graves about it. I know this is probably hard, but
Speaker 1: can you describe for me what happened to Curtis and Jennifer.
Speaker 1: On December ninth, two thousand and six, Curtis was at
Speaker 1: his friend's house visiting. He had been drinking that day
Speaker 1: and having a little bit of fun, and Jenny had
Speaker 1: came down and told him that he needed to get home,
Speaker 1: and he laughed about ten thirty that night and went
Speaker 1: home and his mother talked to him and before he
Speaker 1: went to bed, it was about midnight I think, and
Speaker 1: Jenny had talked to a friend I think about eleven thirty,
Speaker 1: so they were going to bed. And the next day,
Speaker 1: nine one one call came in that Jenny's mother had
Speaker 1: found Curtis and Jenny. They had been shot in their bed.
Speaker 1: It was horrible. Curtis and Jenny were good people, you know.
Speaker 1: It was heartbreaking. It was just a shot. It's unsolved, correct, yes,
Speaker 1: fourteen years unsolved. It's a roller coaster. You go up
Speaker 1: and down. Every day you go up and down. You
Speaker 1: know today it's going to be the day something's going
Speaker 1: to happen and nothing. Just before their murders, thirty four
Speaker 1: year old Curtis Francis and thirty year old Jennifer Burgett
Speaker 1: where recently engaged couple living in Pike in Ohio. Your
Speaker 1: cousin Curtis, can you tell me a little bit about
Speaker 1: him and what he was like. Curtis was a good guy.
Speaker 1: He had a good heart, would help anybody. He was
Speaker 1: a hard worker, lovedy family. He was very loyal, and
Speaker 1: he was a very good person. He was a little
Speaker 1: bit older than me, and we would see each other,
Speaker 1: you know, when we were younger, but we really hung
Speaker 1: out were when we got older, like teenagers and in
Speaker 1: our early twenties. During that time, we were pretty close.
Speaker 1: He was like more like a big brother to me.
Speaker 1: What about Jennifer, his fiance. I'd like to call her
Speaker 1: a caretaker. She liked to take care of everybody. She
Speaker 1: loved animals, she liked to fish. She was a good soul.
Speaker 1: She had a good heart. And what were they like together?
Speaker 1: They were a cute couple. They were they would always
Speaker 1: joke around. Curtis liked to joke a lot and laughing
Speaker 1: and things, and they were just a normal cup Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess, hard working couple. Their murders just before Christmas
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, we're a shock to everyone
Speaker 1: who knew the couple. Curtis and Jennifer were shot while
Speaker 1: they lie asleep in their home on Hopper Road in Piketon.
Speaker 1: It was later determined that the bullets that killed them
Speaker 1: were fired from a lever action rifle. I assume you
Speaker 1: guys tried to work with the police on this, right,
Speaker 1: How did that work? At first? The families being told
Speaker 1: Jenny and Curtis's family, you know, we don't know who
Speaker 1: did this, we don't know what's going on. You know,
Speaker 1: that's law enforcement. You trust them if they tell you, hey,
Speaker 1: we're working on this, we're going to get them. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to be patient, which everybody understands that you
Speaker 1: can't solve a murder in a day. Sometimes it takes
Speaker 1: a long time. But after fourteen years of being told,
Speaker 1: going from we're working on it to not contacting at all,
Speaker 1: too well, we've went as far as we can go
Speaker 1: with this case. There's not really anything else we can
Speaker 1: do unless someone confesses or you know, something drastic happens
Speaker 1: that hurts. I think there was one article on it
Speaker 1: when it happened a few days after it happened in
Speaker 1: the local paper, and a few other media outlets picked
Speaker 1: it up and did a couple of articles, but after
Speaker 1: that there was nothing. You feel like you're never going
Speaker 1: to get justice, and then you worry about, hey, you
Speaker 1: know there's someone on the loose that could do this
Speaker 1: to other families, and then that turns into kind of aggravation.
Speaker 1: Why is there anything being done? Why isn't this case important?
Speaker 1: Why is it my family important? But authorities had no answers. Eventually,
Speaker 1: the case that became known as the Hopper Road double
Speaker 1: murder went cold. Then in twenty twelve that was suddenly
Speaker 1: a movement. As part of his Ohio Unsawd Thomicide's initiative,
Speaker 1: an Attorney General Mike Dwyane revived the case, urging anyone
Speaker 1: with information to come forward. He caught wind and he
Speaker 1: went on Channel ten news station out of Columbus and
Speaker 1: featured the Hopper Road murders, talked about it. They had
Speaker 1: a deputy from the Sheriff's department and talk about it,
Speaker 1: asking for tips. You know, anybody if they have any information.
Speaker 1: We believe they are. There's a person or people out
Speaker 1: there who have information who would enable us to solve
Speaker 1: the case. We had gotten a new sheriff and he
Speaker 1: wanted to reopen the case and try to get some
Speaker 1: help with it. How did that make you feel that
Speaker 1: you feel like someone was actually paying attention to you? Guys? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were excited. You know, this is that somebody's going
Speaker 1: to do something. You know, we've got the Attorney General
Speaker 1: in this Something's going to happen. They followed a few
Speaker 1: leads and a few tips, but being cannon out in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the investigation was handed back over to the
Speaker 1: Pike County Sheriff's office and it just went cold again.
Speaker 1: Two years later, in twenty sixteen, Jodie Barr, then an
Speaker 1: investigative reporter at Fox nineteen in Cincinnati, received an email
Speaker 1: from a woman named Paula Horne. It's saying, you know
Speaker 1: something to the effect of my son was wrongfully convicted
Speaker 1: of murder. And then she says I've got information in
Speaker 1: another cold case. So of course that got my attention.
Speaker 1: I go and meet with this woman and what ended
Speaker 1: up happening was Paula Horne's son, Eric was convicted of
Speaker 1: a separate murder in Pike County a few years before
Speaker 1: Curtain Jenny were murdered. He was convicted of murdering Paul Schope,
Speaker 1: shot him, killed him. He was convicted of that, but
Speaker 1: Paula Horne was on a mission to have her son,
Speaker 1: Eric Horne, set free from prison. Paula Horne was convinced
Speaker 1: her son did not do the murder, so she pulls
Speaker 1: this huge box out of a closet and it stacked
Speaker 1: full of papers and files. Paula Horne had collected a
Speaker 1: massive amount of documentation tied to her son's murder conviction,
Speaker 1: but it was documents within this archive pertaining to a
Speaker 1: different case that caught Jodie's eye, the murders of Curtis
Speaker 1: Francis and Jennifer Brigett on Hopper Road. As it turns out,
Speaker 1: Eric Horn knew Curtis Francis and was with him hours
Speaker 1: before he was murdered. In this box of documents that
Speaker 1: Paula Horne had were email communications between the prosecution and
Speaker 1: Eric Horne's on attorney in their plotting how Eric Horne
Speaker 1: would plead guilty in one case and the state would
Speaker 1: use him as a witness in the double murder on
Speaker 1: Hopper Road. Okay, this was essentially Eric Horne saying, I
Speaker 1: will trade information about this double murder for a plea
Speaker 1: deal in this Paul Shop murder. So Eric Horne had
Speaker 1: written out a statement it's called a proffer, where he's
Speaker 1: getting investigators information in one case to essentially help him
Speaker 1: in another. Eric Horne gave this proffer to investigators somewhere
Speaker 1: around September of two thousand and eight. So over the
Speaker 1: next month or so, Eric from prison writes his mother
Speaker 1: a letter and he tells her about what happened the
Speaker 1: night that Kurt Francis and Jennifer Burgett were murdered. According
Speaker 1: to his letter, Eric Horne told authorities that he was
Speaker 1: at a house on Wind Road and piked in on
Speaker 1: December ninth, two thousand and six. That night, a group
Speaker 1: including Curtis Francis, had gathered at the home for a party.
Speaker 1: Horn claimed that he left the wind Road home at
Speaker 1: around ten thirty pm and nevisa Curtis Francis again. But
Speaker 1: Horne said that just weeks later he ran into a
Speaker 1: man who was at the party. The man told Horn
Speaker 1: that he was forced to go to Curtis and Jennifer's
Speaker 1: house that night by his housemate, who shot the couple
Speaker 1: over a money dispute. Eric Horne never admits to having
Speaker 1: direct involvement with the actual murders themselves, but Eric Horne
Speaker 1: wrote in that letter that there was a lever action
Speaker 1: rifle that hung on the wall of the Howl's home
Speaker 1: on Wyn Road, and that after these murders happened, that
Speaker 1: gun was no longer on the wall. We're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm Carol Fisher, and I'm hosting a podcast called The
Speaker 1: Girl Friends. Back in the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: a few of us dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob.
Speaker 1: He spoke several languages, he did medical missionary work, and
Speaker 1: he was Jewish. He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He really wasn't. He shouted and to the point she
Speaker 1: went unconscious. Bob could lie about anything, but only takes
Speaker 1: the one time when somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob,
Speaker 1: us girlfriends know how to fight back. I wanted him
Speaker 1: to pay for his crime. He needed to be put
Speaker 1: to justice. I'll be honest with you. If I saw
Speaker 1: him right now, I'd spit on him. I would call
Speaker 1: him and I would say, I know you killed my sister.
Speaker 1: I will always hound you and haunt you. You can
Speaker 1: listen to the Girlfriends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to
Speaker 1: Bad Manners. This is the podcast that takes you inside
Speaker 1: britain stately homes and tells all the tales the guide
Speaker 1: books don't. My name is Tom Boughton and I'll be
Speaker 1: your host. Britain is riddled with the big houses, from
Speaker 1: crumbling castles, massive mansions and stately piles bigger than bucking
Speaker 1: and Palace. As a comedian, I'm not really bothered about
Speaker 1: the facts and figures. I just want the juicy stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm on a mission to find out the frightening,
Speaker 1: filthy and downright jaw dropping stories of these stately homes
Speaker 1: and the people in them. This podcast ventures deep inside
Speaker 1: some of Britain's most incredible and outrageous buildings to spill
Speaker 1: the tea on the scandalous, scary, shocking, and hilarious tales.
Speaker 1: So if you want to get historically horrid, royally raucous
Speaker 1: and down to some dirty look no further. Listen to
Speaker 1: Bad Manners on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Paris, Hilton. Some
Speaker 1: of the best times of my life have been spent
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Speaker 1: new show, The History of the World's Greatest Nightclubs. I
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Speaker 1: one of the most important American children's authors of the
Speaker 1: twenty century. She's the basis for a television show still
Speaker 1: watched around the world. Somebody somewhere is watching a Little
Speaker 1: Les Than. She's been called a hero, a racist, a feminist,
Speaker 1: and a propagandist. I think the harm is too great
Speaker 1: because it's just one more thing that Native children have
Speaker 1: to endure. She is Laura Ingles Wilder, author of the
Speaker 1: book series Little House on the Prairie. As a kid,
Speaker 1: I idolized Laura, and last summer I went on the
Speaker 1: road in search of the real Laura. We're literally on
Speaker 1: the prairie. What I found was a complicated person alongside
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Speaker 1: is Wilder. Listen to Wilder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple
Speaker 1: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The files collected
Speaker 1: by Paula Horn contained not only Eric Horn's statements, but
Speaker 1: accounts from other witnesses about the note of Curtis Francis
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Burgett's murders. What I was reading on them
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. There were witness statements out of an investigative
Speaker 1: file from the Pike County Sheriff's Office contained in this
Speaker 1: box of records. So this box of records contained every
Speaker 1: document that somebody like me could only dream of having
Speaker 1: when you start investigating a murder that's ten years old
Speaker 1: at that point in time. And what she had in
Speaker 1: her possession were documents that ultimately provided a whole lot
Speaker 1: of answers for you know, Kurt and Jenny's family. And
Speaker 1: we went over every shred of paper in this case file.
Speaker 1: I made sure I understood who every person was, who
Speaker 1: these players are, how they were connected. My next job
Speaker 1: was then to go talk to the victims families. So
Speaker 1: I went to Judy Conley, who was Kurt Francis's mother,
Speaker 1: Jody Barr reveal some of the other statements taken by
Speaker 1: police in their investigation into Kurt and Jennifer's murder to
Speaker 1: the family. These accounts, however, seemed to contradict what Eric
Speaker 1: Horn initially told authorities. Here again is Angie Montgomery. One
Speaker 1: statement is from a gentleman whose house Curtis was at
Speaker 1: the night that he got murdered. He stated that his
Speaker 1: brother and his friend, Eric Horne, had left after Curtis
Speaker 1: had left about ten thirty or eleven, and took a
Speaker 1: rifle off the wall and went and killed Curtis and Jenny,
Speaker 1: and that they came back with bloody clothes, and they
Speaker 1: got in the shower, took a shower, got the blood
Speaker 1: off of them, took their clothes out in the yard,
Speaker 1: and put them in a black trash bag and burnt
Speaker 1: them all at the command of his mother, because apparently
Speaker 1: Curtis owed the mother's fiance three hundred dollars, is what
Speaker 1: I was told. Then there's another statement, and they told
Speaker 1: the same story that they took a rifle off the wall,
Speaker 1: came back bloody, took a shower, burnt the clothes. Eric
Speaker 1: Horn denies any and all involvement in Curtis and Jennifer's murders.
Speaker 1: Jodi Barr knew that the information he had could help
Speaker 1: track down Curtis and Jennifer's killers, but there was one problem.
Speaker 1: Jody couldn't get any more information from investigators. We can't
Speaker 1: pull the records in this case. They're all under still
Speaker 1: this is still considered although it's cold. It's a pending
Speaker 1: open investigation, regardless of whether investigators are actively working it
Speaker 1: or not. These are not records you can get a
Speaker 1: hold of under the Open Records Act. So what do
Speaker 1: you have at that point? The only thing you have
Speaker 1: are the witnesses in family members who may have been
Speaker 1: in contact or who may have remembered something from back
Speaker 1: when this began. But I knew there was something here.
Speaker 1: I just had to get somebody from the family to
Speaker 1: work with us, to help us. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, this guy with his huge winter jacket walks
Speaker 1: in from the backyard and he's greasy, he's been working
Speaker 1: on a car. And it's Paul Francis. His brother is
Speaker 1: Kurt Francis. And Judy introduces us, and I tell him
Speaker 1: why why I am there, and his whole demeanor changed.
Speaker 1: He looked angry, and I'm thinking, okay, you know this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be one of those where I get,
Speaker 1: you know, hauled out of the house by my collar
Speaker 1: and my belt loops. And all Paul tells me is,
Speaker 1: let's get in your car. I've got something to show you.
Speaker 1: So Paul and I get in the car and we
Speaker 1: drive from his home over to Win Road and he
Speaker 1: walks me out to the edge of the property and
Speaker 1: he says, this is a well, and then he starts
Speaker 1: telling me the story about the story that it's well
Speaker 1: told that he just so happened to find. Paul told
Speaker 1: Jody that in July of twenty six teen, he was
Speaker 1: doing a plumbing job at the same house on Wind
Speaker 1: Road that Curtis was last seen at the night of
Speaker 1: his murder in two thousand and six. By this point,
Speaker 1: the previous owners had moved out. He's doing plumbing work,
Speaker 1: so he sees a waterline running outside with an electrical
Speaker 1: wire running out alongside the pipe. So he's trying to
Speaker 1: pull this water line up and it gets to a
Speaker 1: point where he can't pull it up out of the
Speaker 1: ground any longer. So then he just starts pulling this
Speaker 1: electrical wire and it, you know, it snakes across the
Speaker 1: yard and it goes down a hill under a pile
Speaker 1: of jump in the yard, as he described it, and
Speaker 1: he digs down and he finds this well shaft. Paul
Speaker 1: told me, in the back of his mind, his suspicion
Speaker 1: was that this could hold some sort of answer to
Speaker 1: his brothers and his sister in law's murder. He told
Speaker 1: me he had a gut feeling about it. So Paul
Speaker 1: Francis called the Pike County Sheriff's Office in to investigate.
Speaker 1: By twenty sixteen, the department was headed up by Charlie Reader, who,
Speaker 1: as we know, would later be jailed on charges related
Speaker 1: to corruption and office. At the moment when in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: what were you guys his feelings about Charlie Reader? Were
Speaker 1: you hopeful? Yeah, you're hopeful. With every new sheriff, he
Speaker 1: also had his hands full because the Rodent massacre had
Speaker 1: just happened. We knew that resources were probably stretched, but
Speaker 1: we also thought the BCI, the FBI, they're already down
Speaker 1: here in our county. That gave us a little bit
Speaker 1: of hope of maybe, hey, they'll the sheriff will say
Speaker 1: something and they'll pick up on this too. We were
Speaker 1: very hopeful that he would do something and something would
Speaker 1: would happen. So the sheriff, Charlie Reader, paid a local
Speaker 1: plumbing company to run a plumber's camera down the well.
Speaker 1: They were able to capture images of a handgun and
Speaker 1: then this lever action rifle. I mean that is very
Speaker 1: similar to the gun that Eric Horne described in his
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight letters that he sent his mom
Speaker 1: from prison. Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: be back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher and
Speaker 1: I'm hosting a podcast called The Girl Friends. Back in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties in Las Vegas, a few of us
Speaker 1: dated the most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke
Speaker 1: several languages, he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish.
Speaker 1: He was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't.
Speaker 1: He shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could
Speaker 1: lie about anything, but only takes the one time when
Speaker 1: somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girlfriends know
Speaker 1: how to fight back. I wanted him to pay for
Speaker 1: his crime. He needed to be put to justice. I'll
Speaker 1: be honest with your fistime right now, I'd spit on them.
Speaker 1: I would call him and I would say, I know
Speaker 1: you killed my sister. I will always hound you and
Speaker 1: haunt you. You can listen to The Girlfriend on the
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Bad Manners. This is the podcast that
Speaker 1: takes you inside Britain's stately homes and tells all the
Speaker 1: tales the guide books don't. My name is Tom Horton
Speaker 1: and I'll be your host. Britain is riddled with the
Speaker 1: big houses, from crumbling castles, massive mansions and stately piles
Speaker 1: bigger than bucking and Palace. As a comedian, I'm not
Speaker 1: really bothered about the facts and figures. I just want
Speaker 1: the juicy stuff. So I'm on a mission to find
Speaker 1: out the frightening, filthy and downright jaw dropping stories of
Speaker 1: these stately homes and the people in them. This podcast
Speaker 1: ventures deep inside some of Britain's most incredible and outrageous
Speaker 1: buildings to spill the tea on the scandalous, scary, shocking
Speaker 1: and hilarious tales. So if you want to get historically horrid,
Speaker 1: royally raucous and down some dirty, look no further. Listen
Speaker 1: to Bad Manners on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or
Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Paris Hilton.
Speaker 1: Some of the best times of my life have been
Speaker 1: spent inside of nightclubs, singing, dancing and being free to
Speaker 1: truly be myself. And now I'm the executive producer of
Speaker 1: a new show, The History of the World's Greatest Nightclubs.
Speaker 1: I wanted a show that represented freedom, joy and hope,
Speaker 1: and there is no one better to host than someone
Speaker 1: who has inspired me for so many years with her
Speaker 1: musical talent. I'm alternate and I've been in the music
Speaker 1: industry for three decades. I'm a singer, songwriter, and musician,
Speaker 1: and now I'm inviting you to join me on this
Speaker 1: global nightclub journey. We'll dive into the origins of genres
Speaker 1: that broke the industry and uncover the stories of legendary DJs,
Speaker 1: all through the eyes of the people who partied at
Speaker 1: the hype of club culture. Listen to the History of
Speaker 1: the World's Greatest Nightclubs on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
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Speaker 1: are a ton of podcasts out there. Well, we have
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Speaker 1: is called The pen Pals Podcast with Daniel Van Kirk
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Speaker 1: actors were writers, but now most of all, we are
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Speaker 1: It can be about anything going on in their life.
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Speaker 1: Kirk and Rory Scobell. Authorities also found burnt clothing, a
Speaker 1: detail relayed in Eric Hoorn's statement this could have been
Speaker 1: the break in the case. The only physical evidence that
Speaker 1: we know of was down a well shaft, and the
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office was just feet away from being able to
Speaker 1: get their hands on it, bag it, process it, and
Speaker 1: potentially prosecute somebody in the Hopper Road double murder. So
Speaker 1: then they were faced with the task of how do
Speaker 1: we get these guns out? Of this well. It's an
Speaker 1: eight inch pipe you know, that goes down into a well.
Speaker 1: So they tried with a magnet I was old, and
Speaker 1: when that failed, they called in a firetruck. The idea
Speaker 1: was to use the fire hose to fill the well
Speaker 1: with water, which wouldn't turn lift the guns back up
Speaker 1: to the surface for authorities to retrieve. But things did
Speaker 1: not go as expected. They placed the fire hose in
Speaker 1: the pipe and turned the water on. It blew the
Speaker 1: bottom of the well out and knocked like an eighty
Speaker 1: foot hole in the well, took the guns with it,
Speaker 1: So yourself is ultimately ends up getting a welder out there.
Speaker 1: The welder welds a plate over top of this well,
Speaker 1: and that's where it sat since July of twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: And you know, here we are years later. The likelihood
Speaker 1: that it's ever recovered, it's not looking very good. Right now.
Speaker 1: How did that feel pre you guys? Horrible? I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get emotional and felt horrible. Anger. No, this is that
Speaker 1: was probably the biggest break we'll ever getting that in
Speaker 1: this case. Ever, despite potential evidence being lost, Jodie Barr
Speaker 1: pressed on with his investigation. In twenty seventeen, he went
Speaker 1: forward with a series of reports on the Hopper Road
Speaker 1: double murder case. The Pike County sheriff at the time,
Speaker 1: Charlie Reader, when I was looking into this case, told
Speaker 1: me that he developed a cold case unit within his
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office and he had some seasoned law enforcement officials, investigators,
Speaker 1: criminal profilers on this team, and they were looking into
Speaker 1: the Hopper Road cold case. So I got an interview
Speaker 1: with those four men, and I wanted to know more
Speaker 1: about the well. I wanted to tune them about this
Speaker 1: evidence in the bottom of this well. I wanted to know.
Speaker 1: I named all the names that were contained in these
Speaker 1: witness statements. You know, I had all four members of
Speaker 1: this cold case unit sitting in front of me in
Speaker 1: an interview inside the Sheriff's office, and all I got
Speaker 1: from this cold case unit was no comment. Every question
Speaker 1: was a no comment. Have you been able to develop
Speaker 1: any type of motive profile of the suspects? No comment?
Speaker 1: So you know we were at the end of the road.
Speaker 1: Jody's reporting on Curtis and Jennifer's murder also received some
Speaker 1: pushback from the Pike County community, mainly due to his
Speaker 1: interactions with Sheriff Charlie Reader. At the time, the people
Speaker 1: in Pike County that seen Jody's airing of the Hopper
Speaker 1: Room murders had a different perspective on mister Barr because
Speaker 1: of the investigation he did at the road and warehouse
Speaker 1: with mister Reader. Mister Reader had got on Facebook and
Speaker 1: had a huge rant aimed at mister Barr. And I
Speaker 1: like to say they mister Reader's kool aid. People are saying,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy's just down here to make the
Speaker 1: Pike County Sheriff's office and Charlie Reader look horrible. And
Speaker 1: so I had a lot of people messaging me saying,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that your family would let that guy
Speaker 1: do a report on this case. And you know, he's
Speaker 1: just a troublemaker. He isn't even from around here. And
Speaker 1: I would always bite back and say, at least he cares,
Speaker 1: you know, he's the only one that cares. Jody and
Speaker 1: I mean this with all my heart, and I hope
Speaker 1: I can get it out without crimes. He really does
Speaker 1: care about my family. He is in constant contact with me.
Speaker 1: He has helped me, he has listened to me cry.
Speaker 1: He's just as aggravated as we are. He's a very
Speaker 1: caring person and he and he was. He's a godsend.
Speaker 1: Jodi Barr supporting helped raise awareness about Curtis and Jennifer's murders,
Speaker 1: but police were seemingly unable to make any progress. Still today,
Speaker 1: no one's been arrested. Curtain. Jenny's family have no more
Speaker 1: answers today than they had when we rolled out of
Speaker 1: Pike County for the last time and aired the final
Speaker 1: broadcast into this case. From your extensive investigation, it seems
Speaker 1: as though investigators know what might have happened to Curtis
Speaker 1: and Jennifer and who may have done it. Why do
Speaker 1: you think there has been an arrest, That's my question.
Speaker 1: I don't know why there hasn't been an arrest. I
Speaker 1: don't know the investigators just didn't have enough. I don't
Speaker 1: know what else was needed to finish his investigation. You've
Speaker 1: got people in these statements telling stories that you know
Speaker 1: spell out what happened. When you know the people who
Speaker 1: were identified in these statements as having gone to this
Speaker 1: murder scene committed these crimes and came back home. So
Speaker 1: I don't know why or what or where investigators are
Speaker 1: at this point in time. This is We're fifteen years
Speaker 1: down the road and no arrest. So as far as
Speaker 1: the family's concerned, and I talked to them regularly still today.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just they feel like this was a
Speaker 1: miscarriage of not even justice. They didn't get that far.
Speaker 1: It's just an incomplete investigation. You just hope one day
Speaker 1: you'll be able to finish the story because at this point,
Speaker 1: you know, two people are dead and it appears that
Speaker 1: whoever did this is you know, gotten away with murder.
Speaker 1: But that won't be the case if Anti Montgomery has
Speaker 1: anything to do with it. You're still on this mission
Speaker 1: to get answers, to get justice, and also to make
Speaker 1: sure that it doesn't happen to another family. Right. I
Speaker 1: got my kids up where they were a little bit older.
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of time on my hands,
Speaker 1: so I started going full force with getting the road
Speaker 1: case out into the public speaking. I went to the prosecutor,
Speaker 1: spoke with him a few times. I went to the sheriff's.
Speaker 1: We had an interim sheriff when mister Reader got suspended.
Speaker 1: We're told just hang on, you know helps coming, and
Speaker 1: it never does. And I noticed that it's always when
Speaker 1: I get really rowdy squeaky. Will gets the most grease.
Speaker 1: When I start squeaking, I'll get a phone call, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, just hang on. I'm going to figure something out,
Speaker 1: and nothing happens and we're tired of it. That's what
Speaker 1: I get the most emotional about is just feeling like
Speaker 1: nobody cares and I can't imagine what curtain Jenny's mom
Speaker 1: their mothers feel like. That's another thing that puts the
Speaker 1: fire under my ass. It's never it's not going to
Speaker 1: bring them back. You'll always have a hole in your
Speaker 1: heart from that. But I would love to see someone
Speaker 1: get arrested for Curtis and Jennifer's murder and get prosecuted
Speaker 1: and that we get justice. For more information on the
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