Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi. I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas, and
Speaker 1: we're going on a series of double dates to find
Speaker 1: out what makes a marriage. Last we flew out to
Speaker 1: Santa Monica to visit Ted Danson and Mary steam Bergin.
Speaker 1: Their house is carved into the side of a hill.
Speaker 1: It's a craftsman style bungalow built in nineteen twenty two,
Speaker 1: and it has what is called a living roof, which
Speaker 1: is covered with greenery to fight off climate change. Ted
Speaker 1: and Mary decorated it themselves. It's very relaxed and homy. Mostly,
Speaker 1: it was their warm connection to each other that grabbed
Speaker 1: our attention from the start. Yeah, we've been so excited.
Speaker 1: We're really honored that you asked us. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: came to mind immediately. You know, really, people are always
Speaker 1: asking us, how did you? How are you married? So long?
Speaker 1: On what? I like him? He likes me. Yeah, he's cute.
Speaker 1: I like the way he smells. That is that's a
Speaker 1: big deal. That's why. Yeah good. Ted likes to play
Speaker 1: the rascal. But once we settled at their farm style
Speaker 1: kitchen table and began to talk, he was so honest
Speaker 1: and vulnerable. Well, the four of us here, I'm the
Speaker 1: only one who's only married once. Oh yes, I'm the
Speaker 1: third time being married. Well that maybe that's an interesting
Speaker 1: way to start, so great, because either you're a wild
Speaker 1: optimist or you're in total denial. I mean, I got
Speaker 1: married in college at Carnegie halfway through, and I think
Speaker 1: it's fair to say the real communication would have been
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to go to New York by myself, are you?
Speaker 1: Oh well, let's go share an apartment and be buddies.
Speaker 1: That would have been kind of the emotional truth. But
Speaker 1: somehow we ended up getting married and twenty two and
Speaker 1: married for five years. Good friends but certainly not you know,
Speaker 1: a marriage, and then got divorced and married again and
Speaker 1: had children, but still a huge level of unconsciousness on
Speaker 1: my part, and that lasted fifteen years. I mean, my
Speaker 1: life was incredibly messy, but underneath there was a lot
Speaker 1: of work going on where I was trying to stop
Speaker 1: being a liar and wake up and were lying about
Speaker 1: everything pretty much. It was not hugely faithful. I'll leave
Speaker 1: it at that. So I did all this work on myself.
Speaker 1: But by the time we met, I was convinced I
Speaker 1: was incapable of having a relationship that I wouldn't mess up.
Speaker 1: This was back in nineteen ninety four when both of
Speaker 1: them were cast in a film called pontiag Moon. And
Speaker 1: just like when I first met you, Ted was drawn
Speaker 1: to Mary immediately. And what was it about her? When
Speaker 1: you cast in apart together, you have an excuse to
Speaker 1: look at somebody in the eye, whereas otherwise I'm kind
Speaker 1: of shy. We're about to work together, so you you're
Speaker 1: supposed to know each other, so you share. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I said, a hot mess, and so I
Speaker 1: shared my life with her on that first night, and
Speaker 1: it was very clear nothing was possibly going to happen
Speaker 1: because how nutty I was and Mary wasn't looking to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship. So it really started off friends
Speaker 1: until halfway through the production we took a canoe ride.
Speaker 1: Jump in here. I don't want to do a monologue, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, So we were playing this kind of nineteen
Speaker 1: sixties kind of It was a very strange film. But
Speaker 1: we're not going to have a relationship Mary and I
Speaker 1: because that's clear. But we should do something fun and
Speaker 1: kind of old fashioned romantic, because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: the film was like. By then, I knew that. When
Speaker 1: I showed up at lunch and somebody else was sitting
Speaker 1: next to Mary, the part of me was like a
Speaker 1: little grumpy that I hadn't got there in time to
Speaker 1: sit next door. But then we took the canoe ride
Speaker 1: and it was this big title river called the Mendocino River,
Speaker 1: big river, and we got into a canoe that had
Speaker 1: an outrigger. It was just a beautiful canoe and there
Speaker 1: was a group of three or four other people going
Speaker 1: up and we outdistanced them quickly and we just kept
Speaker 1: going around the next bend. It was always Merry in
Speaker 1: the front to me in the back, effortlessly paddling, which
Speaker 1: is you learn a lot, I think in a canoe.
Speaker 1: And there was very little conversation except when it was
Speaker 1: right sea Otter's Blue herons. Yeah, it was just it
Speaker 1: was just magically beautiful and totally in sync and peaceful
Speaker 1: and at ease. And I think on the way down
Speaker 1: we stopped to have a little bite on the corner
Speaker 1: of the side of the river and but you kept
Speaker 1: wanting to turn around. Oh. That was kind of a
Speaker 1: for our wedding. That part of our bows was a
Speaker 1: poem about that canoe ride. It was really kind of
Speaker 1: like a charter for our marriage about look, you know,
Speaker 1: finding the truth in each other's eyes. And but Mary
Speaker 1: has in our entire life been the person that goes, oh,
Speaker 1: let's let's go around the next band to come out,
Speaker 1: let's let's do this. I'm usually the one going, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I think we should. We're fine,
Speaker 1: we should. And she's always the one that gets me
Speaker 1: to go around the next kind of curve in life
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, no, it is. Hey, we're maddling love.
Speaker 1: I am um feel so blessed on every level, from
Speaker 1: as deeply spiritual as you can get to to the
Speaker 1: more shallow and whatever. M we really do celebrate how
Speaker 1: lucky we are a lot. Were you a little scared?
Speaker 1: I got scared? You did. We had one moment We're
Speaker 1: got really scared because we lived very differently. I lived
Speaker 1: in an old farmhouse in Ohio and had a very
Speaker 1: small life except I would go off and occasionally do
Speaker 1: a movie. But I couldn't even do that very often
Speaker 1: because I was a single parent and I didn't want
Speaker 1: to leave my kids, you know. And I've always been
Speaker 1: a little shy of being out there being talked about
Speaker 1: I don't need that. I love being an actor, but
Speaker 1: I didn't do it because I need to be the
Speaker 1: person in front of the flashbulbs. I like being in
Speaker 1: front of the camera, but I don't like my life
Speaker 1: being out there and his was all out there and
Speaker 1: so but because I was being messy, yeah, but it
Speaker 1: scared me. It scared me. And I was just scared
Speaker 1: because I'm so protective of my children as a mother,
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't want to make a bad choice,
Speaker 1: and so it was scary, you know. But here's what
Speaker 1: I found. I found this weird thing that you can
Speaker 1: go Your brain can say no, no, no, I can't
Speaker 1: do this, no, no, no, this is I need to
Speaker 1: walk away from this, and your brain can say whatever
Speaker 1: it says. But it's I found. And this is not
Speaker 1: an intentional pun. But my soul was in my feet.
Speaker 1: My feet, sometimes very hesitantly, sometimes more surely, walked toward him,
Speaker 1: and no matter what my head was doing, that's what
Speaker 1: I found myself doing. And so it was like, I
Speaker 1: can only assume that was the voice of my soul
Speaker 1: because my brain, my brain was not that simple, you know.
Speaker 1: My brain was like, well, especially a guy who had
Speaker 1: been married twice. Yeah, you would think, well, is he
Speaker 1: going to be able to do this? Yeah? I will. Also,
Speaker 1: I had told myself because I had just ended a
Speaker 1: relationship right before I met him, and it was really
Speaker 1: not a good relationship at all, and we were both
Speaker 1: very much not right for each other. And and I
Speaker 1: had just told all of my friends, guess what, I'm
Speaker 1: not relationships, and I look like I would be, but
Speaker 1: in fact I'm not, and I'm I'm done. I have
Speaker 1: two beautiful children. I'm done. I'm not putting myself through
Speaker 1: this anymore. And then I met him. I was smitten.
Speaker 1: I was smitten without because my life was so complicated,
Speaker 1: I didn't think to do something about that, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to be around her, literally everybody. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I felt that right away. It was such
Speaker 1: a crazy time for me, and everything for me got
Speaker 1: filtered through my two kids. So were they at this time?
Speaker 1: They were ten and twelve. Yeah that's young. And then
Speaker 1: I just started noticing whenever we were all as a
Speaker 1: cask going out to dinner or doing something when he
Speaker 1: wasn't there. It was like, oh, okay, a little disappointed,
Speaker 1: So it's snug up on me and it just kept
Speaker 1: being becoming more and more and more undeniable that I
Speaker 1: wanted to be around him. And also just the more
Speaker 1: I got to know him, the more I saw in
Speaker 1: spite of everything that was going on, I saw what
Speaker 1: a fine human being this is, you know, and and
Speaker 1: so different than I thought because I had an image
Speaker 1: of him that, even though it's stupid, I sort of
Speaker 1: bought into Sam Malone, even though I should know better.
Speaker 1: I'm an actor. But that was a long time that show,
Speaker 1: and I was a big fan of this show, and
Speaker 1: I started to think, oh, he's probably super slick guy,
Speaker 1: you know. And my joke is that I was wrong,
Speaker 1: because slick guys don't say gosha room after making love. That'slious.
Speaker 1: But but I mean Ted was raised with the Hopie
Speaker 1: Navajo people and ranchers kids outside of Flagstaff, Arizona. Spent
Speaker 1: his mornings riding bareback on a horse, you know, across
Speaker 1: the desert with his friend Raymond, who was Navajo or
Speaker 1: Hobi Hopie, and that he had the most exotic American childhood.
Speaker 1: And once I started meeting his family and seeing like
Speaker 1: all the pieces that made up this person, it was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's so not who I thought he was not at all.
Speaker 1: And I mean for me, his tenderness towards my children
Speaker 1: and now our grandchildren would be a reason alone to
Speaker 1: love him. Yeah, did you make an accommodation that you
Speaker 1: could talk about to accommodate the My changes came before
Speaker 1: I met Mary. I mean, I had a mentor who
Speaker 1: walked me through a lot of my stuff that I
Speaker 1: was going through as soon as I had kind of
Speaker 1: woken up, the gift of my life was standing there.
Speaker 1: And but this habit you had of lying, let's say, right,
Speaker 1: did you notice yourself saying to yourself, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do that here, I'm not gonna I do remember
Speaker 1: one moment where, early on before we were engaged, even
Speaker 1: that I started to do a version of push pull
Speaker 1: and I looked at Mary. It didn't register on her face.
Speaker 1: She didn't play that game. She didn't even nibble at
Speaker 1: whatever this little thing I was, you know, doing. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, because I don't have to do
Speaker 1: that anymore. You know, this person doesn't even know this
Speaker 1: stupid dance, right, I won't have to do that dance anymore.
Speaker 1: For me, I had a big accommodation to make. I
Speaker 1: was a single woman with no children, and I married
Speaker 1: a man who lived with four sons. Then I was
Speaker 1: very flattered because he would say to people, Marlo's the
Speaker 1: first person I've ever known that knows the difference between
Speaker 1: each of them and can talk to each of them differently.
Speaker 1: And I had good relationships with them all. There is
Speaker 1: no book that tells you how to do it. And
Speaker 1: the one thing I figured out right away for me
Speaker 1: that worked. I don't know if it works for everybody
Speaker 1: is they have a mom, it's not me. What do
Speaker 1: they need from me? Like what is safe and fair
Speaker 1: to give to do as far as being a stepparent,
Speaker 1: And then I thought, well, man, everybody needs a cheerleader.
Speaker 1: There's no Mary Potts. No, there is no amthe no no.
Speaker 1: Uh you know to get that, Yeah, and you just
Speaker 1: have to hope. Yeah, you know, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: we've made a good lord. We're you know, we have
Speaker 1: bumps and ups and downs, and you know I all
Speaker 1: the time, but ninety percent of the time we want
Speaker 1: to have fun and be happy. But you know we'll
Speaker 1: do drama if we have to do a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: our motto is the only drama we like. Is that
Speaker 1: that we're paid for. I look at Mary and go.
Speaker 1: We can be in the middle of an argument and
Speaker 1: I can trust, even with anger in the air, that
Speaker 1: if I look at my stuff, she will look at
Speaker 1: her stuff, or vice versa, that she is trustworthy to
Speaker 1: see her part in any situation. It feels a lot
Speaker 1: better to point over there and say you're wrong, and
Speaker 1: this is what you've done to me, and I'm a victim,
Speaker 1: and it feels so much better than to go, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's my hab. I'm going to own up to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, where's the fun in that? But the fact
Speaker 1: that you do it is magic. We'll have more After
Speaker 1: a quick break, we're back to our conversation with Ted
Speaker 1: Danson and Mary steam Ergin. They've been together nearly thirty years,
Speaker 1: so Marlowe wanted to know what happens when they hit
Speaker 1: a rough spot. You do have to have something in
Speaker 1: the bank to get you through those moments, and I
Speaker 1: do have trust that on the other end of this
Speaker 1: my wife. You know, if I walk away in the
Speaker 1: middle of a fight and go, there's a voice going,
Speaker 1: do you really think that your wife is not crazy?
Speaker 1: See about you and love you? And I have to
Speaker 1: go No, of course she does, you know, So there
Speaker 1: there's something good about having a history of getting through,
Speaker 1: a history of love, a history of knowing she loves you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, usually it's for me. It's about finally telling
Speaker 1: the truth that I don't want to tell, whether it's
Speaker 1: I'm angry, I'm angry irrational at you. And if I
Speaker 1: tell you I'm angry at this, then then how can
Speaker 1: we be? You know, I grew up with a mother
Speaker 1: who was unbelievable about the giving, the caring, the loving,
Speaker 1: the nurturing. You're in pain, let me you know. She
Speaker 1: could be with people dying, people came to her. But
Speaker 1: anything negative, a negative thought, a selfish, petty, angry thought,
Speaker 1: was intolerable. She would almost get sick, as you know,
Speaker 1: she'd have a cold, the flu. As opposed to dealing
Speaker 1: with her angers. You know, anything that was dealing with
Speaker 1: anger for you was hard huge still is you know
Speaker 1: or anything where I mean we just said, both of
Speaker 1: us for different, very different reasons. We both had come
Speaker 1: from families where there was it was it was fully loaded.
Speaker 1: That anger was scary, you know, both of us, And
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things before I met him,
Speaker 1: I recognized him myself. I realized it. I first went
Speaker 1: to therapy and the first thing I learned on day
Speaker 1: one was how how I had not been able to
Speaker 1: express anger, that there was no room for it, no
Speaker 1: place for it, that it was not appropriate in my life.
Speaker 1: And for real, yeah, I came from I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to interrupt you, no, no, I mean my dad was
Speaker 1: a freight train conductor and I grew up in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: and that would have been a nice, little middle class
Speaker 1: family except that my dad, when I was eight years old,
Speaker 1: was diagnosed diagnosed with heart disease, and in those days,
Speaker 1: they they dealt with it in very weird ways. He
Speaker 1: was basically told, you can't work, you can't hunt, you
Speaker 1: can't fish, you can't drive, you can't make love to
Speaker 1: your wife, you can't They took everything you can eat,
Speaker 1: no problem with bacon, oh my god, you know. Like,
Speaker 1: and my dad was one of these people that would
Speaker 1: do exactly what his doctor told him, so, you know
Speaker 1: his basically they gave him not much reason to live,
Speaker 1: but that was supposed to keep him alive. And so
Speaker 1: when the doctor told us, I was there with my mother,
Speaker 1: and the doctors looked at us, and I remember him
Speaker 1: looking at me and saying, now you'd be a good girl.
Speaker 1: Now you know your daddy needs you to be a
Speaker 1: good girl and keep everything quiet and you know, and
Speaker 1: basically the eight year old went, I get it. I
Speaker 1: can't ignoise, I can't do anything wrong, I can't make
Speaker 1: a mistake, or my dad's going to die. Got it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And it was backed up with eight
Speaker 1: heart attack. And then my dad proceeded to have heart attack,
Speaker 1: a heart attack, and during that time he couldn't work.
Speaker 1: So we became, you know, we struggled. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: uh so my mother became it was it was always
Speaker 1: looking at your dad to see if he's really one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the time. That was my childhood. And
Speaker 1: then he would have a heart attack, like one was
Speaker 1: when I got to be one. You know that I
Speaker 1: knew what I had done to cause each one. So
Speaker 1: the good news about that story is that my world
Speaker 1: that was safe was books. Just by reading. Emotions were suppressed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not in books. In books, it was like and
Speaker 1: my favorite as a child, like my hero was Pippi Longstocking,
Speaker 1: who was like wild and redheaded and wore shoes too
Speaker 1: big for self, social gwiggler toes and you know, I
Speaker 1: loved all that because it was the opposite of what
Speaker 1: I was being. So when you got a hold of
Speaker 1: your anger when you went to all this therapy on
Speaker 1: day one of therapy, which was when I was twenty
Speaker 1: four years old, and this woman on day one goes,
Speaker 1: oh my god, well, no wonder you became an actress.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's your safe place, that's the way, you know.
Speaker 1: And so learning how to be a fully actualized human
Speaker 1: being that actually could experience things other than sweet Southern smiles,
Speaker 1: you know, that was a huge thing for me. And
Speaker 1: I think for a while I got angry too quickly.
Speaker 1: It's like a the switch was too It was maladjusted,
Speaker 1: all of them, you know. And part of what I've
Speaker 1: had to learn to do is just be centered with it. Well,
Speaker 1: let me do have a real fight. We have had
Speaker 1: some huntingers and I've accused him before a fight. I said,
Speaker 1: your ma, your main like a junkyard dog and um.
Speaker 1: But the truth is we both hate it. So if
Speaker 1: you had to say, what's the foundation that makes a
Speaker 1: marriage last other than love, I would say truth and laughter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: honestly those two things for us. And the hard work
Speaker 1: part is tell the truth. Yeah, because that's that's that's
Speaker 1: uncomfortable at times. Yeah. What what when is it uncomfortable
Speaker 1: to tell the truth when it's not going to feel
Speaker 1: good to the other person, or when it's going to
Speaker 1: make you look bad, or when you've done something that
Speaker 1: you you know, I'm going to have to tell Mary. Shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, because now I can't ride in on my
Speaker 1: white horse and be wonderful and noble. I'm an asshole
Speaker 1: and I just proved it. Now I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: share this with me. Why do you have to share
Speaker 1: it with Mary because otherwise I well, the because we
Speaker 1: kind of have an agreement unspoken or spoken agreement to
Speaker 1: share it, to not have secrets. So it's not that
Speaker 1: I need to share it to get blessing or permission
Speaker 1: or something. I need to share it so I don't
Speaker 1: have this little inside of me people, And I think
Speaker 1: these are really ruicy secrets. Whatever it is. Now, I know,
Speaker 1: did you have secrets in the beginning? No? No, I
Speaker 1: think that's what was unique about the relationship for each
Speaker 1: of us. I'd never not had secrets. I'd been full
Speaker 1: of secrets, But for us, I think we had both
Speaker 1: kind of had enough of secrets. You know, we had
Speaker 1: both lived that way and it had caused us to
Speaker 1: feel alone in life. You know, he knows my warts.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly how smart or not smart, or kind
Speaker 1: or not kind, or how impatient a person I am.
Speaker 1: He knows all that. Sometimes it's not that there's a
Speaker 1: secret between you, that there's a sadness that you haven't
Speaker 1: looked at inside of yourself that you you know, hey,
Speaker 1: i'm getting older. This I'm feeling sad about getting older,
Speaker 1: and I'm embarrassed to tell you that I'm dead. All
Speaker 1: that's good, all those things from But I think also
Speaker 1: and no, two people would be more perfect to say this,
Speaker 1: dude than you two as famous people, the world either
Speaker 1: criticizes a romanticize issue. There's not it's rare or doable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's rare that they would just like your realness and
Speaker 1: here you are very imperfect person. That's if I had
Speaker 1: to say, the thing we're most protective of in life,
Speaker 1: it's that we keep it real. So that and and
Speaker 1: I and I, you know, you also recognize in people.
Speaker 1: For me, it's like my mother had a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It was complicated, but there were so many wonderful things
Speaker 1: about her that I see and marry. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a deep kindness and caring, you know, about people. I
Speaker 1: don't think I could be with somebody who didn't feel
Speaker 1: that way. We had a divine intervention and here we are.
Speaker 1: But but but it's also but these are little pigs along
Speaker 1: the way that you've said that it's it's it feels
Speaker 1: like magic, but it isn't, because there are these things
Speaker 1: that you count on each other for. I completely count
Speaker 1: on Phil. And I'm not what one would call a
Speaker 1: needy little person, but I need something from him, many things.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I need is when
Speaker 1: I'm when I go down, when I get blue about
Speaker 1: all of these things, you know, out of work, i'm
Speaker 1: getting older, whatever it is that I choose to be
Speaker 1: blue about that day, only Phil can can bring me back.
Speaker 1: And I'm from Hollywood, so I know a bullshitter when
Speaker 1: I see one, you know, what he says to me,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's immediately I respond to it,
Speaker 1: you know, and I come back. He waters my plant,
Speaker 1: you know, and I come back, you know, so and
Speaker 1: I count on it. Gratitude is huge for me, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's okay to be wanting more and different bees, be
Speaker 1: grateful and celebrate. You know. The first thing I wrote
Speaker 1: in an autobiography I wrote in nineteen seventy eight. The
Speaker 1: first line is if I could start over as a parent,
Speaker 1: and I wish I could. When my children please me,
Speaker 1: I would tell them it's tough because when you how
Speaker 1: old were you? When? At what age are you talking about?
Speaker 1: For yourself? When you didn't when you all of a
Speaker 1: sudden had four sons by your son twenty seven? Wow,
Speaker 1: smack dab into Can I carve out a place in
Speaker 1: the world? Can I do this? So you're so forward looking?
Speaker 1: It's also in a show every day, But parenting is
Speaker 1: a lousy job for a perfectionists or to even have
Speaker 1: satisfaction because it's just everybody's doing the best they can.
Speaker 1: You know, Can I add one thing and no be
Speaker 1: quiet ed? Um? I My my form of seduction early
Speaker 1: in life was to find the person's gaping hole in
Speaker 1: their personality or their being and then fill it and
Speaker 1: become indispensable to them. You know. So I know a
Speaker 1: lot of guys like you. So I was like around
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of broken wing, wounded kind of people,
Speaker 1: and don't do that you know, find somebody who's playing
Speaker 1: at the same level you are. That's that's actually find
Speaker 1: somebody that likes being who they are. Yes, that's better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great, But that's also very interesting. What you're saying
Speaker 1: is great that the find somebody who likes who they are. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's They might not think they're perfect, it might need help,
Speaker 1: man then, but they basically they're not running from who
Speaker 1: they are. Life is not a series of pointing fingers
Speaker 1: and blaming. So you're not going to be the one
Speaker 1: to save them. No, you're not. You're going to change.
Speaker 1: That's what's great about the book. Every will. You're not
Speaker 1: going to change somebody. You'll never fix the broken wing.
Speaker 1: I met somebody who is so happy being herself. She
Speaker 1: needed me to show up and be me and be real,
Speaker 1: but she didn't need me to fix her. And I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of fixing, which leads to anger. You know. Inequality, Yeah,
Speaker 1: inequality patronizing, and it's horrible when you think you're the
Speaker 1: person fixing somebody else. It sucks and it's terrible to them,
Speaker 1: it's terrible to you. And you know, find somebody you
Speaker 1: don't have to fix. Great when we're in love and
Speaker 1: then two and communicative and laughing in life. When we're
Speaker 1: that how we are most of the time, it is
Speaker 1: truly divine. It is it is heaven on earth. That's
Speaker 1: Ted Danson and Mary Steam Virgin. They sure we're fun
Speaker 1: and so in love with each other. It was pretty
Speaker 1: idea like I would be jealous, but I have you.
Speaker 1: You most certainly do until next time. I'm Phil Donnie
Speaker 1: and I'm Marlow Thomas. Okay, I win. What you should
Speaker 1: do is leave one of the mics on when you're
Speaker 1: leaving those two pretending that they like each other. Double
Speaker 1: Data is a production of Pushkin Industries. The show was
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Speaker 1: is associate producer. Musical adaptations of It Had to Be
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