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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: What is wrong with this woman? You're probably listening right

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Speaker 2: now as you are on your way to work or

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Speaker 2: on your way home from work, or maybe you're making

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Speaker 2: dinner in the kitchen, or maybe you're taking a break

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Speaker 2: from work or taking care of your family running one

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Speaker 2: hundred errands. But this woman doesn't work for a living,

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Speaker 2: she doesn't raise children. She's a phony heiress and after

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Speaker 2: scamming tens of thousands of dollars, actually hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of dollars, now sitting in an upscale apartment in Manhattan,

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Speaker 2: phony heiress and a Delvy says, life without social media

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Speaker 2: it's more restrictive than jail. You know what, I would

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Speaker 2: happily send her back to jail. Fake heiress and a

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Speaker 2: soroken aka and a Delvi says her around the clock

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Speaker 2: home confinement and being from social media or more restrictive

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Speaker 2: than being behind bars. Why does she think everybody else

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Speaker 2: has to work and she can lay on her sofa whining?

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: As you will recall, the phony heiress rose to infamy

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Speaker 2: under the fake name Anna Delvi. Now the law is

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Speaker 2: requiring she either be in jail or have house arrest,

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Speaker 2: being in her apartment twenty four hours a day. This

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Speaker 2: is while she fights deportation and her conviction for schemming

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Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars from banks, businesses, and so called friends.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this one really takes the cake. I'm Nancy

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Speaker 2: Grace's Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here at

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on Serious exim one eleven. How did

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Speaker 2: the whole thing start? I remember very well. Do you

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Speaker 2: take a listen to Inside Edition.

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Speaker 3: She claimed she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth

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Speaker 3: more than sixty million dollars, but it was a lie.

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Speaker 3: Annasorgan went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,

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Speaker 4: This woman made national headlines posing as a wealthy woman.

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Speaker 2: Now, the woman.

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Speaker 3: Known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Debra Roberts.

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Speaker 5: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.

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Speaker 5: Why are you talking with us?

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Speaker 6: Why not? I would like to show the will that

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Speaker 6: I'm not this dow greedy person that they portrayed me

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Speaker 6: to be.

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Speaker 4: You ask her who she really is?

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Speaker 2: Did she tell you an.

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Speaker 7: Asorgan is very complicated character. You might believe that Annasurican

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Speaker 7: is a very gifted, clever wanna be business woman or

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Speaker 7: a complete con artist. And there are many people in

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Speaker 7: her way who would tell you that she is the

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Speaker 7: classic con artist.

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Speaker 2: Why can't she be both? Why can't she be a

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Speaker 2: great business person and the ultimate scammer? I see her

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Speaker 2: as both. Take a listen to hour cut one from

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Speaker 2: the Vanity Fair special Scandalous.

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Speaker 8: By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvey was a regular in the

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Speaker 8: NYC social scene, frequenting many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs.

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Speaker 8: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money.

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Speaker 2: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the.

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Speaker 8: Age of Instagram, always at the right place, with the

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Speaker 8: right people, living her best life, but with no apparent

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Speaker 2: With Me, an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now With Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: author of Red Flag and host of Today with Doctor

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Speaker 2: Wendy KCBQ. You can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Donna Rockwell special guest joining us clinical psychologists in

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Speaker 2: both Michigan and New York, specializing in celebrity mental health

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Speaker 2: on faculty Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with a special guest

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Speaker 2: joining US certified fraud examiner, former FED with the FBI.

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Speaker 2: Don't mess with this guy, FBI agent twenty nine years now,

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Speaker 2: private investigator at JKE Texas Private Investigator JKE Texas dot com.

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Speaker 2: But first, I want to go to a woman I've

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Speaker 2: been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with Fox News Digital.

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Speaker 2: She's a crime reporter and author of a fantastic book

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Speaker 2: At any Cost? Rebecca, who is this woman?

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Speaker 4: Who is this woman? Well, she her family came from Russia,

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Speaker 4: they moved to Germany, and I believe her father was

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Speaker 4: actually a truck driver. She did not come from a

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Speaker 2: Now, her coming to New York was quite a story.

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Speaker 2: So Russian born moving to Germany, the child of a

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Speaker 2: And then she very simply overstayed her visa, which thousands

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Speaker 2: the style of Anna Soroka. And take a listen to

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Speaker 2: our cut six our friends at Inside Edition.

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Speaker 9: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event?

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Speaker 9: Anna Psorakin is accused of posing as an heiress to

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Speaker 9: live an extravagant lifestyle, But it's what she's wearing to

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Speaker 9: trial that making headlines. The twenty seven year old defendant

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Speaker 9: showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with a

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Speaker 9: plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a look that could backfire.

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Speaker 9: Warren stylist John Karen.

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Speaker 10: Black dress definitely a no no. A hyper sexualize her.

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Speaker 10: It makes her appear to be like a seductress. The

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Speaker 9: Soor Kin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused

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Speaker 2: This is not a fashion show. Wow, Well, you know

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Speaker 2: what it didn't work, she continued wearing designer clothes to

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Speaker 2: every single court appears. But this goes way back. Her

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Speaker 2: desire for a lifestyle she could not afford started in

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Speaker 2: her teens. Take a listening to our buddy Jesse Palmer

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Speaker 2: a daily Mail TV.

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Speaker 11: Anna, who interned out a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed

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Speaker 11: to scam extended stays in swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at

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Speaker 11: high end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance

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Speaker 11: her lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly

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Speaker 11: built banks out of thousands in cash.

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Speaker 11: The fake heiress reportedly fleees her friend out of sixty

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Speaker 11: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco.

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Speaker 11: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take

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Speaker 11: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance

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Speaker 11: a visual art center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation.

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Speaker 11: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's just me, but to you Doctor

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Speaker 2: I don't know very many people except maybe Lawais that

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Speaker 12: No, I guess we don't really know many people who

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Speaker 12: But you know that makes her look really unattainable and

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Speaker 2: she wasn't just staying down at the Motel six. She

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Speaker 2: was staying at very very expensive and luxurious hotels.

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Speaker 4: Yes, she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a

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Speaker 4: very long time, racked up a bill that tens of

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Speaker 2: You know, it was really interesting that she created this

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Speaker 2: I guess you'd call it New York society until she

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Speaker 2: went and basically invited herself to be on a yacht

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Speaker 2: ten days. I mean, Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud examiner,

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Speaker 2: former FBI agent twenty nine years. For beats sake. When

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Speaker 2: you commandeer a yacht with a captain and a staff

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Speaker 2: the gas, that is a huge bill, a huge bill.

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Speaker 13: And frankly, you know, she probably could have been stopped

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Speaker 13: and exposed at that point if any of these people

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Speaker 13: along the way you lost money, who got you know,

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Speaker 13: enticed by her story and it actually applied you know,

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Speaker 13: reasoning common sense at a certain point, things would have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 2: author of Red Flags. You can hear her on today

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Speaker 2: with doctor Wendy k c b Q. Doctor Wendy, I

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Speaker 2: find it, Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that

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Speaker 2: the owners or the people that had rented the yacht

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Speaker 2: originally didn't go after her. Now they are really really

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Speaker 2: wealthy Hampton Nights, And I got to tell you something, Wendy,

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Speaker 2: I've been to the Hamptons a couple of times for charity,

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Speaker 2: money somehow or other. That's the same, Wendy. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: I did not fit in. That was not where I

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Speaker 14: Yeah, no, that's right, Nancy. I'm like you.

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Speaker 15: but don't consider it in the balance to be worth

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Speaker 4: Realizing there may be so many.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Fake heiress and a Psorkin aka Ana delviy is whining again. Judge,

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Speaker 2: can you just put her back in jail please, with

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Speaker 2: She is at home and her upscale New York apartment

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Speaker 2: now the fraudster is begging a federal judge to step

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Speaker 2: in and change conditions of her house arrest. These conditions

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Speaker 2: for ice and court appointments. That she is to stay

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Speaker 2: off all social media and it is just killing her

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Speaker 2: and that it unreasonably infringes on her freedom of speech,

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Speaker 2: her right did you process? She's just filed us in court. Man,

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Speaker 2: she is one wilely woman. She also claims not being

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Speaker 2: emotional distress and stress to Missorkin. Man, she's got a nerve.

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Speaker 2: Remember what happened? I'm not quite sure, Rebecca Rosenberg what

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Speaker 2: her motivation is other than just living the high life.

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Speaker 2: But imagine the impact she could have made being the

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Speaker 2: She actually has a brilliant mind.

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Speaker 14: Attention to her.

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Speaker 2: We know she was born in Russia, grew up in Germany.

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Speaker 2: So this woman cons she cons big. Take a listen

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Speaker 13: Oh absolutely, I mean in her heart and Astoric is

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Speaker 14: Who dressed up.

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Speaker 13: He's a Southern Baptist boy from Louisianna, and he dressed

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Speaker 14: I mean that people will go to no ends.

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Speaker 13: To satisfy their greed, to satisfy their one for fame

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Speaker 2: How do you untangle a case like this, Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about her personality. She goes to trial, she

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Speaker 17: She had to fake it until she can make it

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, take a listen to her and a soroken

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Speaker 2: Did you get a thrill from him?

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Speaker 5: I mean, were you satisfied when you got away with something,

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Speaker 6: Absolutely not, because in my head I never thought that

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Speaker 14: Just moved on.

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Speaker 2: Sorkin, who was a subject of the Netflix hit Inventing Anna.

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Speaker 2: I watched all nine episodes to make sure I knew everything.

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Speaker 2: It was excruciating, claims she does not pose a risk

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Speaker 2: She taught them into what she wanted through lines, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Donald rockwell, we really need a shrink. How can she

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Speaker 2: I mean, she had to know that was wrong. She

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Speaker 12: Yes, she was outright lying. That's how we see it.

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Speaker 12: What it means that someone is only really thinking about themselves.

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Speaker 12: When we're babies. If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't

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Speaker 12: She gets away with it because she's in denial, which

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Speaker 15: You know, she may have faked it until she made

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Speaker 2: That was.

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Speaker 6: That could have like a great potential and that would

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Speaker 6: be successful.

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Speaker 15: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel like he has much to do with

444
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Speaker 6: my personality. I guess like I really believed in myself

445
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Speaker 6: and what I was doing. I don't know, it's hard

446
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Speaker 6: to explain. I guess like people just see like I'm

447
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 6: talented and I'm focused, and I work hard, and I

448
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 6: couldn't make them a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of money. Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard at what. Every

450
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Speaker 2: time I see a fodo or a post of her,

451
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Speaker 2: she's on a luxury trip or she's shopping work at

452
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Speaker 2: WHAT Well.

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Speaker 4: I think I think a lot of her victims wanted

454
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Speaker 4: to believe in her success because it meant their success too.

455
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Speaker 4: You know, she's saying, Okay, I'm going to build this

456
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Speaker 4: Anadelvy foundation in Manhattan for twenty two million. And you

457
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Speaker 4: know one of the persons, one of the people she

458
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Speaker 4: do for the architect, well for him, I know, he

459
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Speaker 4: wanted to be involved in that big project, so he

460
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Speaker 4: wanted to sort of bleeve the lie because it would

461
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Speaker 4: ultimately help him. So I think a lot of it

462
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Speaker 4: was people wanting to kind of believe it was true

463
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Speaker 4: because there was an advantage to them.

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Speaker 2: These are just some of the things. And I want

465
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Speaker 2: to go to you on Jim Ellis that we have

466
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Speaker 2: uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,

467
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one

468
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: hundred grand after lying to bank reps with CTI, depositing

469
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Speaker 2: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you

470
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Speaker 2: know how you flow to check. You deposit a check,

471
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: you would draw the funds, and then you try to

472
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Speaker 2: short up from another bad account so that won't fall through,

473
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Speaker 2: and then another you basically play ropodope on banks. That

474
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include the

475
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Speaker 2: money she conned off our friends, never paying them back,

476
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Speaker 2: deft of services, almost a half a million dollars. I

477
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Speaker 2: mean that's a lot of money, Jim.

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Speaker 13: Oh, absolutely, it's a lot of money. And you mentioned

479
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Speaker 13: earlier you weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She

480
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Speaker 13: worked hard in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing

481
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Speaker 13: all those bogus checks and coming up with stories that

482
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Speaker 13: were plausible but yet not too specific. The life of

483
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Speaker 13: the con is hard work, and they do it for

484
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Speaker 13: the for the power, they do it for the money,

485
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Speaker 13: They do it for the same. I think she saw

486
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Speaker 13: the banks as her potential savior. You know, you think

487
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Speaker 13: of of like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarnos. You know, was

488
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Speaker 13: she a genius or was she a scam artist? You know,

489
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Speaker 13: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony

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Speaker 13: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two

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Speaker 13: million dollars.

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Speaker 2: So wait, explain that to us, mere mortals, What do

493
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Speaker 2: you mean, produce phony documents and convince big banks to

494
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Speaker 2: learn her a lots of money?

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Speaker 14: Sure it happened. You know.

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Speaker 13: She apparently was really adept in.

497
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Speaker 14: Adobe photoshop.

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Speaker 13: I mean, she was taking documents and altering them to

499
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Speaker 13: convince the bankers that she had Swiss bank accounts, that

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Speaker 13: she had trust documents, and she had lawyers and CPAs

501
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Speaker 13: or accountants over in Europe. And it was going at

502
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Speaker 13: least to a certain extent, probably till it hit the

503
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Speaker 13: underwriting department, the people in the back of the office

504
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Speaker 13: who make sure everything's all the boxes are checked. It

505
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Speaker 13: was it was painting a picture of her, of exactly

506
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Speaker 13: who she was claiming to be. And I think if

507
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Speaker 13: she probably she possibly could have felt that she was

508
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Speaker 13: able to land that loan. In her mind, she probably

509
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Speaker 13: was going to pay all those people.

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Speaker 14: Back that she had scammed in her mind.

511
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Speaker 13: In her mind, and she may have, we don't know.

512
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Speaker 13: She's kicking the can down the road. She's getting her

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Speaker 13: next victim, and when that when it comes time to

514
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Speaker 13: pay them.

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Speaker 14: Back, she'll worry about that later. It's never ending.

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Speaker 13: I mean, it's what brings down every ponzee scheme in

517
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Speaker 13: the end, and this wasn't a large scale ponzee scheme.

518
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Speaker 13: But you know, some of that money she scammed through

519
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Speaker 13: those phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and

520
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Speaker 13: the loan she got from City National Bank she used

521
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Speaker 13: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels

522
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Speaker 13: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and

523
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Speaker 13: maintain that illusion.

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Speaker 2: Well, Jim Ellis, I guess what you're saying is she

525
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Speaker 2: would pay back the hotels to the extent that she

526
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Speaker 2: could get them to allow her to stay there for

527
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Speaker 2: even longer. I mean, what does it mean to kayta check?

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Speaker 14: Well, to kya check?

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Speaker 13: And it's a lot harder nowadays than they used to

530
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Speaker 13: be because the float, which is the time that the

531
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Speaker 13: check is deposited in the one bank and actually clears

532
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Speaker 13: in the originating bank, it's so much shorter.

533
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Speaker 14: But you you basically take a check.

534
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Speaker 13: And you present it to a bank that you know

535
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Speaker 13: is worthless, or it may appear it has funds, but

536
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Speaker 13: by the time that check is presented for payment to

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Speaker 13: the originating bank, there aren't any funds available.

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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The fake Eiris has been living in a Manhattan pad

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Speaker 2: during her confinement, until she moved to a quote temporary

541
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Speaker 2: residence in upstate New York after her lease was up.

542
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Speaker 2: Say court papers. The judge ordered she would be subject

543
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Speaker 2: to random visits by l law enforcement to check her

544
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Speaker 2: electronic devices to make sure she's staying off social media. Hmmm,

545
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: this judge is so distrustful of this woman. She is

546
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Speaker 2: not allowed to go to leave home to buy groceries, exercise, nothing,

547
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Speaker 2: no reason barring a medical emergency. Would she really rather

548
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Speaker 2: be in jail? I believe that can be arranged. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our friends at GMA Good Morning America.

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Speaker 18: A New York City jury finding social life anasauricamp a

551
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Speaker 18: so called SOHO grifter guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,

552
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Speaker 18: attempted grand larceny, and theft of services to.

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Speaker 11: Juris obviously believed our point of view and followed our logic,

554
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Speaker 11: and you quitted her for the top charges.

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Speaker 2: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of

556
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Speaker 2: the other charges that.

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Speaker 17: Sor again was acquitted of two charges, including the most serious,

558
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Speaker 17: so attempting to steal more than one million dollars from

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Speaker 17: City National Bank.

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Speaker 2: Jay Rebecca Rosenberg joining us from Foxy's Digital, explaining the

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Speaker 2: split verdict. What was she convicted on and on what

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Speaker 2: was she acquitted?

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Speaker 4: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty

564
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Speaker 4: million dollar loan, which was one.

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Speaker 14: Of the top charges.

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Speaker 4: That was the printed grand larceny and she was acquitted

567
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Speaker 4: of stealing the number kind of varied, but around seventy

568
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 4: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she

569
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Speaker 4: invited her best friend at the time, Racheld Deloschan, to Morocco,

570
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Speaker 4: where they stayed in the seven thousand a night riod

571
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Speaker 4: outside a marakesh and at the end of the trip

572
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Speaker 4: she stuck her with the bill.

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Speaker 14: She persuaded her to put the.

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Speaker 4: Entire trip on her credit card and she would pay

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Speaker 4: her back. So those were the two main counts she

576
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Speaker 4: was acquitted on and then she was convicted. And she

577
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Speaker 4: was convicted in the chartered plane incident.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, let me let that, so can Rebecca Roisenberg.

579
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Speaker 2: The chartered plane incident? What was that?

580
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Speaker 4: So it was called Blade is the company, and she

581
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Speaker 4: persuaded them to fly her without paying up front to

582
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Speaker 4: a Berkshire Hathaway conference in Omaha and basically was like,

583
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Speaker 4: I'll pay you later, and they thought she'd pay them

584
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Speaker 4: later and she didn't. And that was about thirty five

585
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars. It was a chartered flight.

586
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Speaker 2: The chartered flight incident. Okay, so she ends up going

587
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Speaker 2: to not just jail, but to Rikers is anybody on

588
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Speaker 2: the panel familiar with Riykers? Okay, yes, just by reputation. Yeah,

589
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Speaker 2: you don't want to go there unless you have to

590
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Speaker 2: take a Listen to Anna Sorokan speaking to our friend

591
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Speaker 2: Deborah Roberts at ABC.

592
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Speaker 5: Dorikan says she's paid for her mistakes, her time behind bars,

593
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Speaker 5: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Writers Island jailed,

594
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Speaker 5: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers,

595
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Speaker 5: one of the most frightening jails in the country.

596
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Speaker 2: What was that like for you?

597
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Speaker 6: Were you terrified in a way that was therapeutic?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a therapeutic.

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Speaker 6: I for example, used the time like to read a

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Speaker 6: lot and to write.

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Speaker 5: You've heard that, You've said that it's the prison is

602
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Speaker 5: kind of a waste of time.

603
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Speaker 6: Yeah, taking a person, straping them off everything, putting them

604
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Speaker 6: somewhere where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.

605
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Speaker 6: So how is this supposed to help someone who already

606
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Speaker 6: had to resort to life of crime?

607
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Speaker 2: And that tells me right there that Anna Delvy aka

608
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Speaker 2: Ana Sroken learned nothing from our time behind bars, Wendy

609
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: Patrick nothing.

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Speaker 15: It also tells us that she is admitting she resorted

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Speaker 15: to a life of crime, which contradicts everything she said

612
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 15: before the trial and even in some interviews after the trial.

613
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Speaker 15: She knew because she wasn't working, as you pointed out

614
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 15: several times, there was no way she was going to

615
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 15: be able to repay these loans. But sitting through the trial,

616
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Speaker 15: sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic, you have to wonder

617
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Speaker 15: whether she received special treatment. We don't know one way

618
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Speaker 15: or the other, but it is very interesting that her

619
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Speaker 15: attitude apparently hasn't changed.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure she got special treatment because she had managed

621
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Speaker 2: to convince everyone that she was a celebrity that deserves

622
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Speaker 2: special treatment. You know, Rebecca Rosenberg, I'm not sure I

623
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Speaker 2: understand the not guilty on the sixty grand she ripped

624
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: off from Rachel Delights Williams. What was the Jerry's thinking.

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Speaker 4: Well, I spoke to a couple of jurors after the

626
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Speaker 4: verdict and they kind of felt that in the end,

627
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Speaker 4: Rachel came out ahead, even though it was this like

628
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: really stressful situation for her where she had put the

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Speaker 4: payment for the trip on her her work visa card

630
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Speaker 4: and just you know, it was a sum of money

631
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Speaker 4: that was greater than what she earned as a salary.

632
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Speaker 4: But eventually, you know, she did, she did end up

633
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Speaker 4: with I think her book advance was three hundred thousand dollars.

634
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what she got paid from HBO. So

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Speaker 4: I think they just didn't feel that bad for her.

636
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Speaker 2: But why because why do they not feel bad for

637
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: Rachel Williams?

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Speaker 4: Because she was also using Anna Soroken. You could say,

639
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: like she, you know, it's sort of weird, like she's

640
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 4: going out with Anna all the time, and Anna it's

641
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 4: always paying for absolutely everything. You know, I personally wouldn't

642
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Speaker 4: feel that comfortable if I was going out with somebody,

643
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Speaker 4: even if they were much wealthier than me, with them

644
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Speaker 4: flitting the bill every time. So I think that was

645
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Speaker 4: kind of their reasoning.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what happens immediately when she walks

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Speaker 2: out from behind bars are cut fourteen inside edition.

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Speaker 5: Do you walk out of prison a free woman high

649
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Speaker 5: on love?

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Speaker 2: It was the first thing you did that.

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Speaker 6: Brought me my phone, so I got on social media.

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Speaker 7: She came out of prison and immediately set down to

653
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Speaker 7: do this interview with us, and immediately went on social

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Speaker 7: media and immediately started to resume kind of a glamorous life.

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Speaker 2: So the first thing she does is on social media.

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Speaker 2: What does that tell you, doctor Rockwell, the.

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Speaker 12: Same thing it tells you, doctor Gray, that she didn't

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Speaker 12: feel all bad about one thing through this entire event,

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Speaker 12: that there's a lack of conscience, and that she was

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Speaker 12: loving the spotlight and she couldn't wait to get back

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Speaker 12: into it. As I say, it's an addiction. It makes

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Speaker 12: the hormones flash in your mind, you have endorsements, your

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Speaker 12: brain comes alive with your own image, and you love it,

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Speaker 12: you salivate over it. And that's what happened to panis.

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Speaker 2: Orkin, Jim Ella Certified Fraught Examiner are now with his

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Speaker 2: own firm JKE Texas. Jim shopaholics or people that get

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Speaker 2: a thrill out of buying things. I think Anna Soroken

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Speaker 2: aka n Anna Delvy got a thrill of some sort

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Speaker 2: of this fake life she was leading. Do you think

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Speaker 2: someone like her can turn over a new leaf or

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Speaker 2: is this just who she is?

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Speaker 14: Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 13: I mean I always hope.

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Speaker 2: I did say what you hope. Jim allis you investigated

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Speaker 2: so many con guys, what do you think they.

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Speaker 13: Don't stop I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately

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Speaker 13: got back on social media, and I agree with doctor

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Speaker 13: Rockwell that it was for the endorphent rush of getting

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Speaker 13: that hit, of getting that fame and putting out that projection.

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Speaker 13: But I think it's also a certain aspect that is

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Speaker 13: rebuilding her stature so that she can now see where

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Speaker 13: she can get her next meal ticket from.

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Speaker 14: But who in the right mind would want to work.

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Speaker 13: With somebody that just got out of prison for defrauding

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Speaker 13: hundreds of thousands of dollars from the people she was

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Speaker 13: closest to.

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Speaker 2: Will the whining ever end from Anna Sorkin aka Anna Delvy?

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Speaker 2: Probably not, Okay, I'll keep that in mind as I

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Speaker 2: go back to work. Goodbye, friend,