Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am very excited
Speaker 1: to welcome someone new to the Clay and Buck podcast family,
Speaker 1: and that is David Rutherford. He is a former Navy Seal,
Speaker 1: he's a CIA contractor and World Championship Performance coach, and
Speaker 1: he is now the new host of the David Rutherford Show. David,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me, Tutor.
Speaker 2: It is an honor and a privilege to be with you.
Speaker 2: When I first got asked by Bock to come and
Speaker 2: join the network, the first thing I'm doing is immediately going, oh, man,
Speaker 2: I gotta be side by side next to Tutor Dixon.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I better bring my a game.
Speaker 2: So it is a real privilege that and I just
Speaker 2: can't thank you enough for having me on.
Speaker 1: Well, you're not new to this stuff. I mean, you've
Speaker 1: done a lot of speaking. You're a motivational speaker, you
Speaker 1: are a teacher. You have your own online academy, right h.
Speaker 2: The Frog Logic Institute. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was reading a little bit about that, and
Speaker 1: I find it kind of fascinating because it you talk
Speaker 1: I read that you talked about why you joined the seals,
Speaker 1: and it was really that you were kind of like
Speaker 1: getting into trouble, you had this sort of self epiphany,
Speaker 1: which I think is impressive too, which was, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really good on a team. I need like the
Speaker 1: most skilled team in the world. I mean, being good
Speaker 1: on a team is not like I must become a
Speaker 1: Navy Seal, but that's what you chose, and now you're
Speaker 1: kind of passing that on to other people, which I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. You know, having those God moments, you know,
Speaker 2: is are you know not my age? I didn't know
Speaker 2: that's what was taking place, and you know, through that
Speaker 2: divine intervention, it was like, well, what are the things
Speaker 2: that I know I need? And I always knew I
Speaker 2: needed a team and and so I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: what's what's the toughest team in the world to go
Speaker 2: and be a part of. And you know, it's the
Speaker 2: Navy Seals. And so thank god, there wasn't as much
Speaker 2: information as there is today, like you know what events
Speaker 2: you got to go through and have to pass and
Speaker 2: there's a billion books and all that stuff. So if
Speaker 2: there'd been anything like that, I probably wouldn't have it
Speaker 2: would have been too afraid. But well, do you.
Speaker 1: Think that is why people aren't joining now. I mean,
Speaker 1: you make agree. I never thought about that before. But
Speaker 1: before we got on, you were saying how people who
Speaker 1: have served are not like super motivated to have their
Speaker 1: kids do it. They maybe they know too much, but
Speaker 1: now your kids can also research. Do you think that
Speaker 1: there's too much information out there?
Speaker 2: That's a really awesome question. No, because I believe that
Speaker 2: information is power, right. Information is what enables us to
Speaker 2: make the most focused decision, the most focused, well thought
Speaker 2: out decisions when we take those big risks and lives
Speaker 2: in our lives. And so the more information the better.
Speaker 2: I think the problem that we've been having in the
Speaker 2: military has nothing to do with that much information. It
Speaker 2: has to do with the generation that comes before is
Speaker 2: typically the group that inspires the following generations beneath him. Right.
Speaker 2: I just was with a guy who drove me to
Speaker 2: the airport yesterday when I was leaving New Jersey, where
Speaker 2: I was given a couple of speeches, and his whole
Speaker 2: dream was to serve in the military because his dad
Speaker 2: was a Vietnam VET, his grandfather had served in World
Speaker 2: War Two, and then he well, his dad had said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, he was also a thirty year New Jersey
Speaker 2: state trooper. He said, here's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Try the police force first, and then if you don't
Speaker 2: like that, then go into the military. And so I
Speaker 2: think it's like this, it's correlated to this legacy or
Speaker 2: this idea to live up to something that's bigger than yourself. Now,
Speaker 2: I know me and I know many many, many of
Speaker 2: my gy brothers and sisters that are so dejected by
Speaker 2: the morale and how it's attack on the morale that
Speaker 2: we've seen taken place over the last you know, eight
Speaker 2: nine years. That's why I don't like I mean, if
Speaker 2: you know that.
Speaker 1: Is that because of all these policies that went into
Speaker 1: effect that was like, you know, you have to be
Speaker 1: I mean, it just kind of changed. There were different
Speaker 1: requirements for women than men. There were loosening of the
Speaker 1: rules of you know, what you could wear or what
Speaker 1: you could do. Was it because people started to feel
Speaker 1: like you weren't as much of a team. What do
Speaker 1: you think the real turning point there was?
Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right. The thing that holds the
Speaker 2: US military or any organization that's built around that those concepts,
Speaker 2: the thing that holds those people together is meritocracy. It's
Speaker 2: the recognition that if I give the best effort amongst
Speaker 2: my peers who are all giving a similar effort or
Speaker 2: a focus, the person who exemplifies the best of the
Speaker 2: best rises, gets rank and moves forward. And that seemed
Speaker 2: to be reduced dramatically through whether it was the DEI
Speaker 2: policies or you know, I mean the COVID shot, like
Speaker 2: we're going to kick out six thousand plus people because
Speaker 2: they won't take something that they don't believe they need.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Endless Wars. And for you know,
Speaker 2: for me and my friends, where it was is when
Speaker 2: you finally reached there, you know, that point where you
Speaker 2: understand that Iraq we went Iraq based on a lie, right.
Speaker 2: And then the other one for me that just destroyed
Speaker 2: me was how we pulled out of Afghanistan. I mean leaving,
Speaker 2: leaving you know, all of the people that helped us
Speaker 2: in those that twenty year fight, just leaving them to
Speaker 2: get slaughtered by the Talban, leaving eighty plus billion dollars
Speaker 2: worth of equipment that's now being used to train pretty
Speaker 2: much every terrorist organization in the world in Afghanistan. And
Speaker 2: then to know how we pulled out doing that, and
Speaker 2: now we're funding the Talban forty million dollars a week.
Speaker 2: I mean, why would I ever want to take my
Speaker 2: four beautiful daughters, and my oldest is getting ready to go.
Speaker 2: Why would I ever look at her and say, you
Speaker 2: know what, I want you to go serve your country
Speaker 2: because what they're going to tell you is the truth.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: I think, well, you mentioned something I don't think a
Speaker 1: lot of people think about or maybe don't even know.
Speaker 1: You talked about the people that helped you, that were
Speaker 1: left behind. So I think that there are folks who
Speaker 1: look at Afghanistan and they think, well, we brought all
Speaker 1: of our people home. And maybe I've had some conversations
Speaker 1: with folks who spent time over there, who served over there.
Speaker 1: They're like, look, there's all of these interpreters, there's all
Speaker 1: of these people who helped us, and their lives are
Speaker 1: in grave danger because they helped us, and the agreement
Speaker 1: was you help us, we take care of you, and
Speaker 1: we didn't take care of them. Is that what you're
Speaker 1: talking about?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I have several close friends that were
Speaker 2: part of the organizations that we're doing civilian paid flights overseas,
Speaker 2: launching out of use Bekistan going in Jared Hudson, the
Speaker 2: Pineapple Express crew right that they were going in and
Speaker 2: they were leaving that wire going out and retrieving thousands
Speaker 2: of our closest allies. Our interpreters, are intelligence people, people
Speaker 2: that we trained, who fought alongside of us. And what
Speaker 2: you have to understand is, you know, we go over,
Speaker 2: we do a deployment, ninety days, six months, year deployment,
Speaker 2: we come home, we go through a training cycle and
Speaker 2: go back. Those people never are out of the fight.
Speaker 2: Every single day, they're fighting for their lives. And then
Speaker 2: the other component that you have to recognize is that
Speaker 2: you know, Afghanistan is built on a real classic culture
Speaker 2: of antiquity, right ie for I, tribalism and so if
Speaker 2: you're willing to die for me, I'll die for you.
Speaker 2: So the number one thing that affects them is betrayal.
Speaker 2: And so we essentially betrayed tens of thousands of people
Speaker 2: and left them to the very organization he said we
Speaker 2: were going in to eradicate, and we put them back
Speaker 2: into power. That's the type of morale destroying policy that
Speaker 2: will always impede recruiting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost a transactional society where if I'm going
Speaker 1: to be here, I need to you need to be
Speaker 1: committed to something too.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. So Pete Hegseth, he takes over. He's the
Speaker 1: top guy. And everybody was very excited about this because
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, this is a war fighter. He's
Speaker 1: going in. He's now the secretary of Defense. He's going
Speaker 1: to take care of our troops. It's just going to
Speaker 1: be a totally different feel. And we've seen an increase
Speaker 1: in people joining the army, but there have been these
Speaker 1: situations we talked earlier about the reporter being on the
Speaker 1: phone call or on the signal chat, and now you
Speaker 1: see they're starting to get rid of people this. Dan
Speaker 1: Caldwell was let go. You brought up something interesting that
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people would think of.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're regardless of what happens, people think you're
Speaker 1: doging everything. You're going into these agencies. You're getting rid
Speaker 1: of these career politician or career bureaucrats. You're getting rid
Speaker 1: of a lot of the people that are against the swamp.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We've heard it for years where he Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: going to drain the swamp, but the swamp is very
Speaker 1: deep and the swamp you said something earlier about it, Well,
Speaker 1: there's not that many people that lie really to get
Speaker 1: what they want in Washington jokingly, And I mean that's true.
Speaker 1: And you don't know.
Speaker 2: Who to trust.
Speaker 1: It's a really it's become kind of a very sick society,
Speaker 1: the bureaucracy of DC. So what do you think Secretary
Speaker 1: Hegseth is up against.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a war.
Speaker 2: It's an enigma wrapped in a wrapped in a Pandora's
Speaker 2: box or whatever that great saying was from the famous
Speaker 2: movie JFK. Right.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's like an octopus. It has infinite number of tentacles
Speaker 2: that are woven in at all these different places. You know,
Speaker 2: my favorite description is always given by a gentleman named
Speaker 2: Mike Ben's who exposed the you know, the censorship, and
Speaker 2: colics love love that guy. Just a brilliant guy. And
Speaker 2: so what do you do you need to revitalize the
Speaker 2: American public. You're the base that got you overwhelmingly in office.
Speaker 2: So you pick a face that they can relate to,
Speaker 2: someone who is on the ground, who fought the war.
Speaker 2: He's got the tax, he's a part of the war,
Speaker 2: your culture. You bring him in, and what many people
Speaker 2: don't realize is how short of amount of time that
Speaker 2: you have to assemble the people that are going to
Speaker 2: help you walk into that building. And the Pentagon is
Speaker 2: no joke. I mean, at one trillion dollar budget this year,
Speaker 2: you've got to figure out how deeply those people are
Speaker 2: entrenched in a mindset that's been established since post war.
Speaker 1: And just to step in for a second when you
Speaker 1: say that, what you're talking about is, I mean Donald
Speaker 1: Trump gets elected in November. He is then picking cabinet
Speaker 1: secretaries into January and sometimes beyond, and so they're getting
Speaker 1: in he's getting into office, they're immediately going into hearings.
Speaker 1: They're prepping for hearings. They're trying to get prepared at
Speaker 1: the same time. And that is brutal, brutal the prep
Speaker 1: for those hearings. So at the same time as you're
Speaker 1: prepping for hearings, you have to say, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to say that I'm getting confirmed, so I have to
Speaker 1: start interviewing staff and figuring out who's who. And that
Speaker 1: is all just a very complicated, rush quick situation where
Speaker 1: some snakes could come slither through the process.
Speaker 2: There is no what is the famous quote is absolute
Speaker 2: power corrupts absolutely right, And people in DC, they're always
Speaker 2: trying to move up that that ladder. So think of
Speaker 2: all the people that have been working the system. How
Speaker 2: you want to describe it, either nefarious or genuine. A
Speaker 2: lot most of these people actually believe what they believe
Speaker 2: in and they're doing they think they're doing great, great work.
Speaker 2: But all of those people, all the five star or
Speaker 2: four stars, all the people that were writing policy at
Speaker 2: all these different think tanks, all the people that were
Speaker 2: part of the defense and the military industrial complex and
Speaker 2: all the defense industry, all the people in the Senate
Speaker 2: or the Congress that thought they had a shot at
Speaker 2: being the Secretary of Defense. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: he pisss. What this kid? This whatever? How people that
Speaker 2: the disgusting way they describe it. And I'll tell you
Speaker 2: some of my closest friends are really close with Pete,
Speaker 2: and they all say the same thing, that he is
Speaker 2: a genuine brilliant guy. Right, this whole garbage that he's
Speaker 2: just some newscaster, it's ridiculous, Right, He's a war fighter.
Speaker 2: And so they bring him in now all of those
Speaker 2: people are upset, and so what is the way that
Speaker 2: you remember these people are the world's greatest operators, right,
Speaker 2: not only the intelligens industry, but the DoD What do
Speaker 2: we do. What's their whole job is to tear down
Speaker 2: the enemy. And so if you get slated as the enemy,
Speaker 2: stand by, they're going to come up you every which way.
Speaker 2: But from Sunday. And so you know my issue now
Speaker 2: is I love it. I love he's out there shaking
Speaker 2: hands and lifting troops up and revitalizing the warfighter. But listen,
Speaker 2: if you hear this, you know Sean, my good buddy
Speaker 2: who used to be in the network with Claim Bock,
Speaker 2: Sean Parnell, I love you, Sean, God bless you man.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you. But if you hear this
Speaker 2: or Pete, this gets to you, get in the building.
Speaker 2: Stay in the building. That's where things will change when
Speaker 2: you understand how that building works, how the bureaucracy works,
Speaker 2: and you can attack the rot there. That's what needs
Speaker 2: to take place.
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Speaker 1: more coming up. We know that the president is very
Speaker 1: into making sure he's communicating with the people that the
Speaker 1: people are seeing the active presence in the in the government.
Speaker 1: And do you think that that there is a balance
Speaker 1: that needs to be struck because you have Alena Haba
Speaker 1: out on the streets, You've got christinom out on the streets.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's a question I had for you too.
Speaker 1: What is your opinion of that? Because you've got the
Speaker 1: Secretary of Department of Homeland Security out there going in in,
Speaker 1: she's leading the raid, but she's not a trained she
Speaker 1: hasn't gone through the academy. I mean, she's not a
Speaker 1: trained law enforcement official. Is that dangerous?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Does the same thing apply there? And I hadn't really,
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about this until you said this to me.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, if you are the office, is
Speaker 1: somebody doing stuff behind your back? And is that the
Speaker 1: best place for you to be?
Speaker 2: No, it's all like you got to understand. The morale
Speaker 2: was so pulverized beginning. I mean, you can go way
Speaker 2: back if you want. I mean I've talked to many
Speaker 2: people back even in the Obama administration that could not
Speaker 2: get hired because you know, however, they answered their questions
Speaker 2: and their political views were kind of understood. That they
Speaker 2: were pushed off and the resume was dropped in the
Speaker 2: drawer and never to be seen again. And and so
Speaker 2: you know that that took place over a long time.
Speaker 2: And the idea now that that what we need is
Speaker 2: to rebuild that morale. I get it. I prove that
Speaker 2: that's good. But to what degree are you willing to
Speaker 2: sacrifice the operational requirements against the rot right, the deep state,
Speaker 2: the blob, whatever you want to talk about it. These
Speaker 2: people that are connected to you know, whatever power or
Speaker 2: financial aspirations they're having. You got to focus there first.
Speaker 2: You know, with Christy Nome, I understand what she's doing,
Speaker 2: you know, but the photo, just the photograph the other
Speaker 2: day where she's holding the gun incorrectly that blew up
Speaker 2: on X Man and every single operator I knew did
Speaker 2: a new follow are just pulverizing, like, hey, stop what
Speaker 2: you're doing and get in the building. That's where you
Speaker 2: need to be. Even the bus like God bless you know,
Speaker 2: Cash and Pambondi, and you know they're trying to say, hey,
Speaker 2: look we're fighting against criminals, we're fighting the war, we're
Speaker 2: doing what we need to do that big half billion
Speaker 2: button dollar bus down in Florida. I get it, But man,
Speaker 2: let your deputies take to you know, get in front,
Speaker 2: show a different face. We've seen your face, promote the
Speaker 2: other people that are loyal to you. Let them do
Speaker 2: that type of thing. And we need those people in
Speaker 2: the office in those places to figure out what's happened
Speaker 2: and how do we fix the solution.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was I mean really, I hadn't
Speaker 1: thought about what you were saying until you said it,
Speaker 1: and then it started to strike me, like if the
Speaker 1: person is out of the office, who is kind of
Speaker 1: plotting against them? And I know that sounds crazy, but
Speaker 1: that is how these agencies, how many people work because
Speaker 1: they are trying. There is there are a lot of climbers.
Speaker 1: There are people that are angry there. There's just it.
Speaker 1: It's not like a business. It's not necessarily the case
Speaker 1: that everybody's kind of working toward the same goal. There
Speaker 1: are people with their own personal goals, right, So you
Speaker 1: have to sort of have eyes in the back of
Speaker 1: your head to see what's going on. And I've just
Speaker 1: noticed that in the last week we've had these attacks,
Speaker 1: well in the last few weeks you had the attacks
Speaker 1: against Pete Hagsas saying, oh, he let somebody into this chat.
Speaker 1: You know he's not. It's just like kind of picking
Speaker 1: away at his character as a leader. And then there
Speaker 1: was a big expose on DHS and who's involved there,
Speaker 1: and you just made me think to me, those things
Speaker 1: are like, oh, that's just a hit piece, just an article.
Speaker 1: And then as you're saying this, I'm like, gosh, what
Speaker 1: if the stuff does add up and that's how they
Speaker 1: boot these people out and that destroys the whole movement.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's maybe that's an extreme view, but
Speaker 1: you do have me thinking, oh.
Speaker 2: It's not extreme at all. That And that's what they
Speaker 2: want everybody to believe, is that when you go out
Speaker 2: and you get on your show or I'm on my
Speaker 2: show or whoever it is, and we start pointing this
Speaker 2: stuff up, they label us as extremists or conspiratorial or whatever.
Speaker 2: And that's that's always my favorite thing. The people who
Speaker 2: invented the term conspiracy theorists are the ones who call
Speaker 2: you a conspiracist. Right, So for me, what do I
Speaker 2: do is I look at if I go in and
Speaker 2: I work with a sports team or I work with
Speaker 2: a business, and you know, the first thing I do
Speaker 2: is I always say, all right, you know, how does
Speaker 2: your command structure? Look, where where do we let's start there?
Speaker 2: And then what type of training do you have and
Speaker 2: it's and it's yeah, it's the operation rational execution? How
Speaker 2: does it work? How does the organization function? Right?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 2: How do the directives or the policy get made, how
Speaker 2: do they become you know, their derivative of Congress or
Speaker 2: law or the president's executive orders? And then how do
Speaker 2: you execate cute those down the whole chain of command?
Speaker 2: And then how do you make sure that the orders
Speaker 2: are being followed? And then what is the reaction if
Speaker 2: the orders aren't? You know? And so we're sitting here
Speaker 2: focused on some some you know, reservists who didn't want
Speaker 2: to put up the president's pitcher as a main news story.
Speaker 2: And that's intentional too, so and you know, this is
Speaker 2: tradecraft one on one, right, And I think another awesome
Speaker 2: component of Mike Bens is he teaches us how this works. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I work for the Central Intelligence Agency for
Speaker 2: a little while, you know, just the blip, a little
Speaker 2: bit of time, but I got enough time in to
Speaker 2: realize this is outwork. So if you want to change
Speaker 2: the opinion, how do you do it? You you plant
Speaker 2: information that begins to challenge what the colultural narrative is,
Speaker 2: which traditionally is a cultural narrative based on you know,
Speaker 2: long term behavioral patterns. And then you attack that right,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden people start to go, oh,
Speaker 2: well that must be true because the experts are saying it.
Speaker 2: And then once it's somehow locked into the social consciousness,
Speaker 2: they come in and say, see, this is real, this
Speaker 2: is the deal, this is what's going on. This is
Speaker 2: a big thing there. These people are incompetent. We need
Speaker 2: to get rid of them, which then gives the people
Speaker 2: the you know, the people around Caesar, gives them the
Speaker 2: go ahead or the green light to start attacking. And
Speaker 2: what better way to attack. You pull away the people
Speaker 2: who are most loyal, You isolate the person is at
Speaker 2: the top, and then you know, at two brute right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I think that people forget that
Speaker 1: you're dealing with essentially professional mind benders. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what they have been trained to do, is to bend
Speaker 1: your mind the way they want you to think. And
Speaker 1: this is what you go in there and you're working
Speaker 1: with these people and you have to understand that. But
Speaker 1: the political world is so twisted compared to the regular world.
Speaker 1: I mean, just this week, I will say, we I've
Speaker 1: watched what when you know, we ran a race here
Speaker 1: in Michigan, and then you have people when I ran
Speaker 1: I've told the story before. When I first started, people
Speaker 1: said to me, pick the ten people that are closest
Speaker 1: to you. By the end of the campaign, you might
Speaker 1: have five. And I remember thinking that's a terrible thing
Speaker 1: to say. And then at the end of the campaign,
Speaker 1: I think I was like, Okay, there's about three people
Speaker 1: I trust left in the world. Because you really do
Speaker 1: have people just do terrible things and they lie right
Speaker 1: to your face and they manipulate and these are not
Speaker 1: trained people. So that's why I think. I think about
Speaker 1: the people on the level of campaigning and state levels
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that are not trained to manipulate people's minds,
Speaker 1: and they're bad enough. I mean, this week, I will say,
Speaker 1: this just cracks me up because there's a woman here
Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan and she sends me I
Speaker 1: put out a statement. You know, I was looking at
Speaker 1: the Senate race and the governor's race, and she sends
Speaker 1: me this tweet or she sends me a text with
Speaker 1: a screenshot of my announcement and she said, I'm so excited,
Speaker 1: can't wait, like totally support you. And then can I
Speaker 1: work for you? I have this organization that does this
Speaker 1: and I want to work for your campaign. And then
Speaker 1: yesterday someone goes out and tweets about me and says,
Speaker 1: you know, she doesn't she shouldn't be running for one
Speaker 1: of these offices, and she openly comments on Twitter, Yes,
Speaker 1: all she cares about is getting her face out there,
Speaker 1: something like she's a you know, media whoror or something.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you think I can't see? But
Speaker 1: these are people who reach out to you, tell you
Speaker 1: I love you, I support you, I want to help you,
Speaker 1: and they actually hate you. I mean, you really don't
Speaker 1: know who to trust in this world. There's like there's
Speaker 1: no when loyal very few.
Speaker 2: Yes, very few, because there are, I mean there are people,
Speaker 2: but you have to think about what are how do
Speaker 2: we build those bonds to where we can trust somebody?
Speaker 2: And then the biggest thing is once people get a taste, right,
Speaker 2: a little bit of taste of what is it a
Speaker 2: validation of how important they are, a validation of you know,
Speaker 2: how they learn how to play the game. And and
Speaker 2: then they're like, oh man, this feels good. And you know,
Speaker 2: maybe someday I can be a chief of staff. And
Speaker 2: then someday I can find myself at the Pentagon or
Speaker 2: at the Agency, or or or wherever their aspiration is,
Speaker 2: or next to the governor. Better even yet, maybe I
Speaker 2: can run for governor, run for this. And and what
Speaker 2: happens is is that you know that that what that
Speaker 2: desire overwhelms our sense of morality. It's the oldest thing
Speaker 2: in human the human condition is, you know, how easily
Speaker 2: we can be manipulated. Right, The greatest, the greatest I
Speaker 2: ever told was the devil convintion it didn't exist and
Speaker 2: and and that evil is out there. So yeah, the
Speaker 2: hardest thing when you are aspiring to make real change
Speaker 2: is to stay true to that belief and then to
Speaker 2: have the appropriate fighters around you that can withstand the
Speaker 2: storm with you. That you know, and it's it's very difficult.
Speaker 2: I commend you in every different way. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: watching you go up against uh, you know, Whitmer was
Speaker 2: one of my favorite races to follow, and pay attention to.
Speaker 2: But you were up against something and you know, per
Speaker 2: proof positive. We just we just saw what a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago that those guys who came up with
Speaker 2: the kidnapping case, right their appeal was shot down pretty unanimously.
Speaker 2: And even after we learned that, you know, out of
Speaker 2: the twelve people that supported, like most of them were
Speaker 2: FBI paid informants or or or or work for the
Speaker 2: beer themselves. I mean, and and you're just like, wait,
Speaker 2: what how this is the level of this is the
Speaker 2: Machiavellian level that is considered the standard operating procedure in politics.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more after this. There are no good
Speaker 1: results from Gretchen Whitmer and what she's done in the
Speaker 1: state of Michigan. And I say that in all seriousness.
Speaker 1: I mean the numbers don't lie. The schools are terrible,
Speaker 1: the business, the jobs have left. There have been tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of jobs lost under her leadership. If we
Speaker 1: can even call it that the energy grid is a disaster.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, you can go through measure after measure
Speaker 1: of what a governor should be taken care of, and
Speaker 1: she's failed at everyone. And yet she's on every list
Speaker 1: for them to nominate as president as their presidential candidate
Speaker 1: in twenty eight How bizarre is that?
Speaker 2: No, that's the standard, right, I mean my favorite one
Speaker 2: recently and this is this is one that this proves
Speaker 2: the sheer level of what of it. It's a form
Speaker 2: of cognitive dissonance, but it's even bigger. You know, it's
Speaker 2: sociopathic in nature. Really, I think was when we watched
Speaker 2: you know, Western La burn to the ground, and for
Speaker 2: years and years and years, all the signs that this
Speaker 2: was coming, even there was a warning the week before.
Speaker 2: You know, you've got the mayor over, and you've gond
Speaker 2: or wherever she was, you've got newsomb out of pocket
Speaker 2: or whatever it is. The place burns down. A month
Speaker 2: or two later, he starts a podcast and he has
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and Steam O'Bannon as this first two people
Speaker 2: on the show, and he's like, hey, I'm actually center.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know again, why do why does our side
Speaker 1: even let that happen because it gives him this weird win.
Speaker 2: I don't think it does. I think the American public
Speaker 2: is much smarter than everybody gives them credit for. I
Speaker 2: believe what you saw. You had this tremendous shift towards Trump.
Speaker 2: And these people are not Trumpers. They're not maga diehards.
Speaker 2: They're not in you know what the what the left call,
Speaker 2: right could, They're not in that. What they were is
Speaker 2: they're like, we're sick of the lies. We're sick of
Speaker 2: being gaslet. We're sick of what they're trying to spew
Speaker 2: to us, of the old guard media, right the you know,
Speaker 2: the senior citizens and media like cal them, and you
Speaker 2: know they know it's a lie. So now they're pivoting
Speaker 2: to find their information on different places and different programs.
Speaker 2: And that's why you know, our media now is thriving
Speaker 2: and podcast to thrive in these independent voices like yourself,
Speaker 2: who was in the fight, saw the intense storm that
Speaker 2: the lies, and now they attack you and every other aspect. Well,
Speaker 2: you can speak truth to that to people, and that's
Speaker 2: where people are gravitating towards You know, all I do
Speaker 2: is and you don't. You don't have to believe me.
Speaker 2: But you just have to believe the numbers. Right, Numbers
Speaker 2: don't lie, math doesn't lie. And so what is Joe Rogan?
Speaker 2: It's something like sixty seven million unique downloads per month?
Speaker 2: What's Sean Ryan? My best friend Sean Ryan show does
Speaker 2: thirty some like thirty two thirty four million downloads per month?
Speaker 2: Those numbers are so beyond what the old Guard is doing.
Speaker 2: That scares the hell out of them. So what are
Speaker 2: they willing to do? They're willing to whip up their
Speaker 2: base into a frenzy that now we're seeing what people
Speaker 2: burning down tesla's and attacking people and like it's you
Speaker 2: have to stoke the fear in order to make the
Speaker 2: lie seem real.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Well, so you're part of this, You're part
Speaker 1: of this new media. So tell everybody how they listen
Speaker 1: to your show or can they watch the show? Tell
Speaker 1: us everything about it, for sure?
Speaker 2: You know my whole intention was and for you know,
Speaker 2: I've been in podcasting since twenty thirteen. I started with
Speaker 2: a live online show called Navy Seal Radio, which I
Speaker 2: do live every Saturday. It was a lot of fun,
Speaker 2: and then had the incredible blessing to my friend Marcus
Speaker 2: Latrell reached out and said, hey, let's do a show,
Speaker 2: and I was part of the team Never Quit podcast,
Speaker 2: and you know, in twenty sixteen, after six months, we
Speaker 2: were actually nominated by iTunes as one of the top
Speaker 2: thirty podcasts of the year that year. You know, in
Speaker 2: the three years I was a part of it, I
Speaker 2: think we masked something like twenty million downloads. We were
Speaker 2: one of the biggest shows in the world. Because of
Speaker 2: some family personal things, I left the show to be
Speaker 2: home or I met my new wife and had four daughters,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't, I can't commit at
Speaker 2: that level. So then I launched the frog Logic podcast
Speaker 2: did that for several years twenty twenty. I was essentially canceled.
Speaker 2: Even though I was always motivational my whole life. I
Speaker 2: don't I hate I hated to be open about my
Speaker 2: politics or to call people out. But then after that,
Speaker 2: it kind of I'm not going to say it radicalized me,
Speaker 2: but it it made me recognize that, you know, the
Speaker 2: stuff that you know, the stuff that I used to
Speaker 2: do in my old my old life, right when I
Speaker 2: carried a gun for a living. It seemed like that
Speaker 2: was trying that was being done to the American public
Speaker 2: on many different levels, and it's been proven and so
Speaker 2: many different explicit points that were is asgregious as anything
Speaker 2: I'd ever seen. And so after I kind of got
Speaker 2: my my myself back together, my business had collapsed, everything
Speaker 2: was over. I kind of got back got my my
Speaker 2: my you know, generating enough revenue to support my family.
Speaker 2: And just a couple months ago is when Buck reached
Speaker 2: out and was like, hey, rut brother, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: you got any interest of getting back behind the mic?
Speaker 2: And I jumped at it. Boy, I was so excited
Speaker 2: to as you know, to be a part of their
Speaker 2: network and how impact those men have and to work
Speaker 2: for Premiere is just it's such a blessing. And so
Speaker 2: my idea is I just want to bring a little
Speaker 2: bit of common sense to a tsunami of information so
Speaker 2: that I can kind of consolidate and help contextualize, you know,
Speaker 2: the information that's going to protect people against that onslaught
Speaker 2: by that negative insurgencies. Those are nefarious forces that are
Speaker 2: trying to convince people something that's not true is true
Speaker 2: to get whatever ends necessary to do whatever they have
Speaker 2: to do. And so that's the whole pretense behind the
Speaker 2: David Rutherford Show. You can find me everywhere on Audio, Apple, Spotify,
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Speaker 2: Team frog Logic.
Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you so much, thank you for being on today.
Speaker 1: It was awesome to talk to you.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, what you got to do for me is
Speaker 2: you just got promise now that I can get you
Speaker 2: on my show. Of course we can dig into how
Speaker 2: you're going to fight this thing this next time out,
Speaker 2: because that's what I want to know.
Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, Well, and I want to say
Speaker 1: thank you to everybody listening, and you made me think.
Speaker 1: I always tell people you can download on iheard on Apple,
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Speaker 1: you all so much. Have a blessed day.