1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I am very excited 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: to welcome someone new to the Clay and Buck podcast family, 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: and that is David Rutherford. He is a former Navy Seal, 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: he's a CIA contractor and World Championship Performance coach, and 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: he is now the new host of the David Rutherford Show. David, 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me, Tutor. 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: It is an honor and a privilege to be with you. 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: When I first got asked by Bock to come and 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: join the network, the first thing I'm doing is immediately going, oh, man, 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: I gotta be side by side next to Tutor Dixon. 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: I was like, man, I better bring my a game. 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: So it is a real privilege that and I just 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: can't thank you enough for having me on. 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: Well, you're not new to this stuff. I mean, you've 15 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: done a lot of speaking. You're a motivational speaker, you 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: are a teacher. You have your own online academy, right h. 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: The Frog Logic Institute. Yeah. 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: So I was reading a little bit about that, and 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: I find it kind of fascinating because it you talk 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: I read that you talked about why you joined the seals, 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: and it was really that you were kind of like 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: getting into trouble, you had this sort of self epiphany, 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: which I think is impressive too, which was, you know, 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm really good on a team. I need like the 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: most skilled team in the world. I mean, being good 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: on a team is not like I must become a 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Navy Seal, but that's what you chose, and now you're 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: kind of passing that on to other people, which I love. 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. You know, having those God moments, you know, 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: is are you know not my age? I didn't know 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: that's what was taking place, and you know, through that 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: divine intervention, it was like, well, what are the things 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: that I know I need? And I always knew I 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: needed a team and and so I was like, all right, well, 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: what's what's the toughest team in the world to go 36 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: and be a part of. And you know, it's the 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: Navy Seals. And so thank god, there wasn't as much 38 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: information as there is today, like you know what events 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: you got to go through and have to pass and 40 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: there's a billion books and all that stuff. So if 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: there'd been anything like that, I probably wouldn't have it 42 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: would have been too afraid. But well, do you. 43 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Think that is why people aren't joining now. I mean, 44 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: you make agree. I never thought about that before. But 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: before we got on, you were saying how people who 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: have served are not like super motivated to have their 47 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: kids do it. They maybe they know too much, but 48 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: now your kids can also research. Do you think that 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: there's too much information out there? 50 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: That's a really awesome question. No, because I believe that 51 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: information is power, right. Information is what enables us to 52 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: make the most focused decision, the most focused, well thought 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: out decisions when we take those big risks and lives 54 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: in our lives. And so the more information the better. 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: I think the problem that we've been having in the 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: military has nothing to do with that much information. It 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: has to do with the generation that comes before is 58 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: typically the group that inspires the following generations beneath him. Right. 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 2: I just was with a guy who drove me to 60 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: the airport yesterday when I was leaving New Jersey, where 61 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: I was given a couple of speeches, and his whole 62 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: dream was to serve in the military because his dad 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: was a Vietnam VET, his grandfather had served in World 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: War Two, and then he well, his dad had said, well, 65 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: you know, he was also a thirty year New Jersey 66 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: state trooper. He said, here's what I wanted to do. 67 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: Try the police force first, and then if you don't 68 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: like that, then go into the military. And so I 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: think it's like this, it's correlated to this legacy or 70 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: this idea to live up to something that's bigger than yourself. Now, 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: I know me and I know many many, many of 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: my gy brothers and sisters that are so dejected by 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: the morale and how it's attack on the morale that 74 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: we've seen taken place over the last you know, eight 75 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: nine years. That's why I don't like I mean, if 76 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: you know that. 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: Is that because of all these policies that went into 78 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: effect that was like, you know, you have to be 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it just kind of changed. There were different 80 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: requirements for women than men. There were loosening of the 81 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: rules of you know, what you could wear or what 82 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: you could do. Was it because people started to feel 83 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: like you weren't as much of a team. What do 84 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: you think the real turning point there was? 85 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right. The thing that holds the 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: US military or any organization that's built around that those concepts, 87 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: the thing that holds those people together is meritocracy. It's 88 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 2: the recognition that if I give the best effort amongst 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: my peers who are all giving a similar effort or 90 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: a focus, the person who exemplifies the best of the 91 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: best rises, gets rank and moves forward. And that seemed 92 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: to be reduced dramatically through whether it was the DEI 93 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: policies or you know, I mean the COVID shot, like 94 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: we're going to kick out six thousand plus people because 95 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: they won't take something that they don't believe they need. 96 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: I think it's the Endless Wars. And for you know, 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: for me and my friends, where it was is when 98 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 2: you finally reached there, you know, that point where you 99 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: understand that Iraq we went Iraq based on a lie, right. 100 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: And then the other one for me that just destroyed 101 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: me was how we pulled out of Afghanistan. I mean leaving, 102 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: leaving you know, all of the people that helped us 103 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: in those that twenty year fight, just leaving them to 104 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: get slaughtered by the Talban, leaving eighty plus billion dollars 105 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 2: worth of equipment that's now being used to train pretty 106 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: much every terrorist organization in the world in Afghanistan. And 107 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: then to know how we pulled out doing that, and 108 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: now we're funding the Talban forty million dollars a week. 109 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: I mean, why would I ever want to take my 110 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: four beautiful daughters, and my oldest is getting ready to go. 111 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: Why would I ever look at her and say, you 112 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: know what, I want you to go serve your country 113 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: because what they're going to tell you is the truth. 114 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a problem. 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: I think, well, you mentioned something I don't think a 116 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: lot of people think about or maybe don't even know. 117 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: You talked about the people that helped you, that were 118 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: left behind. So I think that there are folks who 119 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: look at Afghanistan and they think, well, we brought all 120 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: of our people home. And maybe I've had some conversations 121 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: with folks who spent time over there, who served over there. 122 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: They're like, look, there's all of these interpreters, there's all 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: of these people who helped us, and their lives are 124 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: in grave danger because they helped us, and the agreement 125 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: was you help us, we take care of you, and 126 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: we didn't take care of them. Is that what you're 127 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: talking about? 128 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I have several close friends that were 129 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: part of the organizations that we're doing civilian paid flights overseas, 130 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: launching out of use Bekistan going in Jared Hudson, the 131 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Pineapple Express crew right that they were going in and 132 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: they were leaving that wire going out and retrieving thousands 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: of our closest allies. Our interpreters, are intelligence people, people 134 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: that we trained, who fought alongside of us. And what 135 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: you have to understand is, you know, we go over, 136 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: we do a deployment, ninety days, six months, year deployment, 137 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: we come home, we go through a training cycle and 138 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 2: go back. Those people never are out of the fight. 139 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: Every single day, they're fighting for their lives. And then 140 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: the other component that you have to recognize is that 141 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: you know, Afghanistan is built on a real classic culture 142 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 2: of antiquity, right ie for I, tribalism and so if 143 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: you're willing to die for me, I'll die for you. 144 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: So the number one thing that affects them is betrayal. 145 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: And so we essentially betrayed tens of thousands of people 146 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: and left them to the very organization he said we 147 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: were going in to eradicate, and we put them back 148 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: into power. That's the type of morale destroying policy that 149 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: will always impede recruiting. 150 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost a transactional society where if I'm going 151 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: to be here, I need to you need to be 152 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: committed to something too. 153 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 154 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: It's interesting. So Pete Hegseth, he takes over. He's the 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: top guy. And everybody was very excited about this because 156 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, this is a war fighter. He's 157 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: going in. He's now the secretary of Defense. He's going 158 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: to take care of our troops. It's just going to 159 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: be a totally different feel. And we've seen an increase 160 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: in people joining the army, but there have been these 161 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: situations we talked earlier about the reporter being on the 162 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: phone call or on the signal chat, and now you 163 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: see they're starting to get rid of people this. Dan 164 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: Caldwell was let go. You brought up something interesting that 165 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people would think of. 166 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they're regardless of what happens, people think you're 167 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: doging everything. You're going into these agencies. You're getting rid 168 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: of these career politician or career bureaucrats. You're getting rid 169 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: of a lot of the people that are against the swamp. 170 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: Right. 171 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: We've heard it for years where he Donald Trump is 172 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: going to drain the swamp, but the swamp is very 173 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: deep and the swamp you said something earlier about it, Well, 174 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: there's not that many people that lie really to get 175 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: what they want in Washington jokingly, And I mean that's true. 176 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: And you don't know. 177 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Who to trust. 178 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: It's a really it's become kind of a very sick society, 179 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: the bureaucracy of DC. So what do you think Secretary 180 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: Hegseth is up against. 181 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, it's it's a it's a it's a war. 182 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: It's an enigma wrapped in a wrapped in a Pandora's 183 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: box or whatever that great saying was from the famous 184 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: movie JFK. Right. 185 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: It is. 186 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: It's like an octopus. It has infinite number of tentacles 187 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: that are woven in at all these different places. You know, 188 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: my favorite description is always given by a gentleman named 189 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: Mike Ben's who exposed the you know, the censorship, and 190 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: colics love love that guy. Just a brilliant guy. And 191 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: so what do you do you need to revitalize the 192 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: American public. You're the base that got you overwhelmingly in office. 193 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: So you pick a face that they can relate to, 194 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: someone who is on the ground, who fought the war. 195 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: He's got the tax, he's a part of the war, 196 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: your culture. You bring him in, and what many people 197 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 2: don't realize is how short of amount of time that 198 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: you have to assemble the people that are going to 199 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: help you walk into that building. And the Pentagon is 200 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 2: no joke. I mean, at one trillion dollar budget this year, 201 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: you've got to figure out how deeply those people are 202 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: entrenched in a mindset that's been established since post war. 203 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: And just to step in for a second when you 204 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: say that, what you're talking about is, I mean Donald 205 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Trump gets elected in November. He is then picking cabinet 206 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: secretaries into January and sometimes beyond, and so they're getting 207 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: in he's getting into office, they're immediately going into hearings. 208 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: They're prepping for hearings. They're trying to get prepared at 209 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: the same time. And that is brutal, brutal the prep 210 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: for those hearings. So at the same time as you're 211 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: prepping for hearings, you have to say, Okay, I'm going 212 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: to say that I'm getting confirmed, so I have to 213 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: start interviewing staff and figuring out who's who. And that 214 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: is all just a very complicated, rush quick situation where 215 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: some snakes could come slither through the process. 216 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 2: There is no what is the famous quote is absolute 217 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: power corrupts absolutely right, And people in DC, they're always 218 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: trying to move up that that ladder. So think of 219 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 2: all the people that have been working the system. How 220 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 2: you want to describe it, either nefarious or genuine. A 221 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: lot most of these people actually believe what they believe 222 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: in and they're doing they think they're doing great, great work. 223 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: But all of those people, all the five star or 224 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: four stars, all the people that were writing policy at 225 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: all these different think tanks, all the people that were 226 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: part of the defense and the military industrial complex and 227 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: all the defense industry, all the people in the Senate 228 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 2: or the Congress that thought they had a shot at 229 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: being the Secretary of Defense. And now all of a sudden, 230 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: he pisss. What this kid? This whatever? How people that 231 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: the disgusting way they describe it. And I'll tell you 232 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: some of my closest friends are really close with Pete, 233 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: and they all say the same thing, that he is 234 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: a genuine brilliant guy. Right, this whole garbage that he's 235 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: just some newscaster, it's ridiculous, Right, He's a war fighter. 236 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: And so they bring him in now all of those 237 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: people are upset, and so what is the way that 238 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: you remember these people are the world's greatest operators, right, 239 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: not only the intelligens industry, but the DoD What do 240 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: we do. What's their whole job is to tear down 241 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 2: the enemy. And so if you get slated as the enemy, 242 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: stand by, they're going to come up you every which way. 243 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: But from Sunday. And so you know my issue now 244 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: is I love it. I love he's out there shaking 245 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: hands and lifting troops up and revitalizing the warfighter. But listen, 246 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: if you hear this, you know Sean, my good buddy 247 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: who used to be in the network with Claim Bock, 248 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: Sean Parnell, I love you, Sean, God bless you man. 249 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you. But if you hear this 250 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: or Pete, this gets to you, get in the building. 251 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Stay in the building. That's where things will change when 252 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: you understand how that building works, how the bureaucracy works, 253 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: and you can attack the rot there. That's what needs 254 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: to take place. 255 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: We've got more with David Rutherford coming up next. First, 256 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: let me tell you about my partners at IFCJ. Israel 257 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: is still under attack. Soul fire has resumed from Israel's enemies, 258 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,479 Speaker 1: terrorists who seek utter death and destruction. And here in America, 259 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: let's face it, we can't imagine what it's like to 260 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: live in constant fear like this. But for the people 261 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: of Israel, it's very real. 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We know that the president is very 277 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: into making sure he's communicating with the people that the 278 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: people are seeing the active presence in the in the government. 279 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: And do you think that that there is a balance 280 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: that needs to be struck because you have Alena Haba 281 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: out on the streets, You've got christinom out on the streets. 282 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: And honestly, that's a question I had for you too. 283 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: What is your opinion of that? Because you've got the 284 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Secretary of Department of Homeland Security out there going in in, 285 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: she's leading the raid, but she's not a trained she 286 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: hasn't gone through the academy. I mean, she's not a 287 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: trained law enforcement official. Is that dangerous? 288 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: Is that? 289 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Does the same thing apply there? And I hadn't really, 290 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about this until you said this to me. 291 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: But I'm like, man, if you are the office, is 292 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: somebody doing stuff behind your back? And is that the 293 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: best place for you to be? 294 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: No, it's all like you got to understand. The morale 295 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: was so pulverized beginning. I mean, you can go way 296 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: back if you want. I mean I've talked to many 297 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 2: people back even in the Obama administration that could not 298 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: get hired because you know, however, they answered their questions 299 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: and their political views were kind of understood. That they 300 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: were pushed off and the resume was dropped in the 301 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: drawer and never to be seen again. And and so 302 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: you know that that took place over a long time. 303 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: And the idea now that that what we need is 304 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: to rebuild that morale. I get it. I prove that 305 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: that's good. But to what degree are you willing to 306 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: sacrifice the operational requirements against the rot right, the deep state, 307 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: the blob, whatever you want to talk about it. These 308 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: people that are connected to you know, whatever power or 309 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: financial aspirations they're having. You got to focus there first. 310 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: You know, with Christy Nome, I understand what she's doing, 311 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: you know, but the photo, just the photograph the other 312 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: day where she's holding the gun incorrectly that blew up 313 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: on X Man and every single operator I knew did 314 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: a new follow are just pulverizing, like, hey, stop what 315 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: you're doing and get in the building. That's where you 316 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 2: need to be. Even the bus like God bless you know, 317 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: Cash and Pambondi, and you know they're trying to say, hey, 318 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: look we're fighting against criminals, we're fighting the war, we're 319 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: doing what we need to do that big half billion 320 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: button dollar bus down in Florida. I get it, But man, 321 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: let your deputies take to you know, get in front, 322 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: show a different face. We've seen your face, promote the 323 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: other people that are loyal to you. Let them do 324 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: that type of thing. And we need those people in 325 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: the office in those places to figure out what's happened 326 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: and how do we fix the solution. 327 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was I mean really, I hadn't 328 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: thought about what you were saying until you said it, 329 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: and then it started to strike me, like if the 330 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: person is out of the office, who is kind of 331 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: plotting against them? And I know that sounds crazy, but 332 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: that is how these agencies, how many people work because 333 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: they are trying. There is there are a lot of climbers. 334 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: There are people that are angry there. There's just it. 335 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: It's not like a business. It's not necessarily the case 336 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: that everybody's kind of working toward the same goal. There 337 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: are people with their own personal goals, right, So you 338 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: have to sort of have eyes in the back of 339 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 1: your head to see what's going on. And I've just 340 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: noticed that in the last week we've had these attacks, 341 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: well in the last few weeks you had the attacks 342 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: against Pete Hagsas saying, oh, he let somebody into this chat. 343 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: You know he's not. It's just like kind of picking 344 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: away at his character as a leader. And then there 345 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: was a big expose on DHS and who's involved there, 346 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: and you just made me think to me, those things 347 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: are like, oh, that's just a hit piece, just an article. 348 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: And then as you're saying this, I'm like, gosh, what 349 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: if the stuff does add up and that's how they 350 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: boot these people out and that destroys the whole movement. 351 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: And I mean that's maybe that's an extreme view, but 352 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: you do have me thinking, oh. 353 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: It's not extreme at all. That And that's what they 354 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: want everybody to believe, is that when you go out 355 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: and you get on your show or I'm on my 356 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: show or whoever it is, and we start pointing this 357 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: stuff up, they label us as extremists or conspiratorial or whatever. 358 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 2: And that's that's always my favorite thing. The people who 359 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: invented the term conspiracy theorists are the ones who call 360 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 2: you a conspiracist. Right, So for me, what do I 361 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 2: do is I look at if I go in and 362 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: I work with a sports team or I work with 363 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: a business, and you know, the first thing I do 364 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: is I always say, all right, you know, how does 365 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 2: your command structure? Look, where where do we let's start there? 366 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: And then what type of training do you have and 367 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: it's and it's yeah, it's the operation rational execution? How 368 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: does it work? How does the organization function? Right? 369 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: Who? 370 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: How do the directives or the policy get made, how 371 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 2: do they become you know, their derivative of Congress or 372 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: law or the president's executive orders? And then how do 373 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: you execate cute those down the whole chain of command? 374 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: And then how do you make sure that the orders 375 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 2: are being followed? And then what is the reaction if 376 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: the orders aren't? You know? And so we're sitting here 377 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: focused on some some you know, reservists who didn't want 378 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: to put up the president's pitcher as a main news story. 379 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: And that's intentional too, so and you know, this is 380 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: tradecraft one on one, right, And I think another awesome 381 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: component of Mike Bens is he teaches us how this works. So, 382 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: you know, I work for the Central Intelligence Agency for 383 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: a little while, you know, just the blip, a little 384 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: bit of time, but I got enough time in to 385 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: realize this is outwork. So if you want to change 386 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 2: the opinion, how do you do it? You you plant 387 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 2: information that begins to challenge what the colultural narrative is, 388 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: which traditionally is a cultural narrative based on you know, 389 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: long term behavioral patterns. And then you attack that right, 390 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden people start to go, oh, 391 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: well that must be true because the experts are saying it. 392 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: And then once it's somehow locked into the social consciousness, 393 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: they come in and say, see, this is real, this 394 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 2: is the deal, this is what's going on. This is 395 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: a big thing there. These people are incompetent. We need 396 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 2: to get rid of them, which then gives the people 397 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: the you know, the people around Caesar, gives them the 398 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 2: go ahead or the green light to start attacking. And 399 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: what better way to attack. You pull away the people 400 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: who are most loyal, You isolate the person is at 401 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: the top, and then you know, at two brute right. 402 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean I think that people forget that 403 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: you're dealing with essentially professional mind benders. I mean that's 404 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: what they have been trained to do, is to bend 405 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: your mind the way they want you to think. And 406 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: this is what you go in there and you're working 407 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: with these people and you have to understand that. But 408 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: the political world is so twisted compared to the regular world. 409 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean, just this week, I will say, we I've 410 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: watched what when you know, we ran a race here 411 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: in Michigan, and then you have people when I ran 412 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: I've told the story before. When I first started, people 413 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: said to me, pick the ten people that are closest 414 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: to you. By the end of the campaign, you might 415 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: have five. And I remember thinking that's a terrible thing 416 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: to say. And then at the end of the campaign, 417 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: I think I was like, Okay, there's about three people 418 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: I trust left in the world. Because you really do 419 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: have people just do terrible things and they lie right 420 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: to your face and they manipulate and these are not 421 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: trained people. So that's why I think. I think about 422 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: the people on the level of campaigning and state levels 423 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: kind of stuff that are not trained to manipulate people's minds, 424 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: and they're bad enough. I mean, this week, I will say, 425 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: this just cracks me up because there's a woman here 426 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan and she sends me I 427 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: put out a statement. You know, I was looking at 428 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: the Senate race and the governor's race, and she sends 429 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: me this tweet or she sends me a text with 430 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: a screenshot of my announcement and she said, I'm so excited, 431 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: can't wait, like totally support you. And then can I 432 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: work for you? I have this organization that does this 433 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: and I want to work for your campaign. And then 434 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: yesterday someone goes out and tweets about me and says, 435 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, she doesn't she shouldn't be running for one 436 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: of these offices, and she openly comments on Twitter, Yes, 437 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: all she cares about is getting her face out there, 438 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: something like she's a you know, media whoror or something. 439 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you think I can't see? But 440 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: these are people who reach out to you, tell you 441 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: I love you, I support you, I want to help you, 442 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: and they actually hate you. I mean, you really don't 443 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: know who to trust in this world. There's like there's 444 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: no when loyal very few. 445 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: Yes, very few, because there are, I mean there are people, 446 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: but you have to think about what are how do 447 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: we build those bonds to where we can trust somebody? 448 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 2: And then the biggest thing is once people get a taste, right, 449 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: a little bit of taste of what is it a 450 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: validation of how important they are, a validation of you know, 451 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: how they learn how to play the game. And and 452 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: then they're like, oh man, this feels good. And you know, 453 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: maybe someday I can be a chief of staff. And 454 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: then someday I can find myself at the Pentagon or 455 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: at the Agency, or or or wherever their aspiration is, 456 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 2: or next to the governor. Better even yet, maybe I 457 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: can run for governor, run for this. And and what 458 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 2: happens is is that you know that that what that 459 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: desire overwhelms our sense of morality. It's the oldest thing 460 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 2: in human the human condition is, you know, how easily 461 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: we can be manipulated. Right, The greatest, the greatest I 462 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: ever told was the devil convintion it didn't exist and 463 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 2: and and that evil is out there. So yeah, the 464 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: hardest thing when you are aspiring to make real change 465 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 2: is to stay true to that belief and then to 466 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: have the appropriate fighters around you that can withstand the 467 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 2: storm with you. That you know, and it's it's very difficult. 468 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: I commend you in every different way. I mean, you know, 469 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 2: watching you go up against uh, you know, Whitmer was 470 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 2: one of my favorite races to follow, and pay attention to. 471 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: But you were up against something and you know, per 472 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: proof positive. We just we just saw what a couple 473 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: of weeks ago that those guys who came up with 474 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: the kidnapping case, right their appeal was shot down pretty unanimously. 475 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: And even after we learned that, you know, out of 476 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 2: the twelve people that supported, like most of them were 477 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: FBI paid informants or or or or work for the 478 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: beer themselves. I mean, and and you're just like, wait, 479 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: what how this is the level of this is the 480 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 2: Machiavellian level that is considered the standard operating procedure in politics. 481 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: We've got more with David Rutherford coming up next. 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And I say that in all seriousness. 507 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: I mean the numbers don't lie. The schools are terrible, 508 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: the business, the jobs have left. There have been tens 509 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 1: of thousands of jobs lost under her leadership. If we 510 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: can even call it that the energy grid is a disaster. 511 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean, oh, you can go through measure after measure 512 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: of what a governor should be taken care of, and 513 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: she's failed at everyone. And yet she's on every list 514 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: for them to nominate as president as their presidential candidate 515 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: in twenty eight How bizarre is that? 516 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: No, that's the standard, right, I mean my favorite one 517 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: recently and this is this is one that this proves 518 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: the sheer level of what of it. It's a form 519 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: of cognitive dissonance, but it's even bigger. You know, it's 520 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: sociopathic in nature. Really, I think was when we watched 521 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: you know, Western La burn to the ground, and for 522 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: years and years and years, all the signs that this 523 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: was coming, even there was a warning the week before. 524 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 2: You know, you've got the mayor over, and you've gond 525 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: or wherever she was, you've got newsomb out of pocket 526 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: or whatever it is. The place burns down. A month 527 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: or two later, he starts a podcast and he has 528 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and Steam O'Bannon as this first two people 529 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: on the show, and he's like, hey, I'm actually center. 530 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know again, why do why does our side 531 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: even let that happen because it gives him this weird win. 532 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 2: I don't think it does. I think the American public 533 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: is much smarter than everybody gives them credit for. I 534 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: believe what you saw. You had this tremendous shift towards Trump. 535 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: And these people are not Trumpers. They're not maga diehards. 536 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: They're not in you know what the what the left call, 537 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: right could, They're not in that. What they were is 538 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 2: they're like, we're sick of the lies. We're sick of 539 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: being gaslet. We're sick of what they're trying to spew 540 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: to us, of the old guard media, right the you know, 541 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: the senior citizens and media like cal them, and you 542 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 2: know they know it's a lie. So now they're pivoting 543 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: to find their information on different places and different programs. 544 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: And that's why you know, our media now is thriving 545 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 2: and podcast to thrive in these independent voices like yourself, 546 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 2: who was in the fight, saw the intense storm that 547 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: the lies, and now they attack you and every other aspect. Well, 548 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: you can speak truth to that to people, and that's 549 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: where people are gravitating towards You know, all I do 550 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 2: is and you don't. You don't have to believe me. 551 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: But you just have to believe the numbers. Right, Numbers 552 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: don't lie, math doesn't lie. And so what is Joe Rogan? 553 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: It's something like sixty seven million unique downloads per month? 554 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: What's Sean Ryan? My best friend Sean Ryan show does 555 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: thirty some like thirty two thirty four million downloads per month? 556 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 2: Those numbers are so beyond what the old Guard is doing. 557 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: That scares the hell out of them. So what are 558 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: they willing to do? They're willing to whip up their 559 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 2: base into a frenzy that now we're seeing what people 560 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 2: burning down tesla's and attacking people and like it's you 561 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: have to stoke the fear in order to make the 562 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: lie seem real. 563 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: Right, right, Well, so you're part of this, You're part 564 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: of this new media. So tell everybody how they listen 565 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: to your show or can they watch the show? Tell 566 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: us everything about it, for sure? 567 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: You know my whole intention was and for you know, 568 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: I've been in podcasting since twenty thirteen. I started with 569 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: a live online show called Navy Seal Radio, which I 570 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: do live every Saturday. It was a lot of fun, 571 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: and then had the incredible blessing to my friend Marcus 572 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 2: Latrell reached out and said, hey, let's do a show, 573 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: and I was part of the team Never Quit podcast, 574 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: and you know, in twenty sixteen, after six months, we 575 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: were actually nominated by iTunes as one of the top 576 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: thirty podcasts of the year that year. You know, in 577 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: the three years I was a part of it, I 578 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: think we masked something like twenty million downloads. We were 579 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: one of the biggest shows in the world. Because of 580 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: some family personal things, I left the show to be 581 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: home or I met my new wife and had four daughters, 582 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't, I can't commit at 583 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: that level. So then I launched the frog Logic podcast 584 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: did that for several years twenty twenty. I was essentially canceled. 585 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: Even though I was always motivational my whole life. I 586 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: don't I hate I hated to be open about my 587 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 2: politics or to call people out. But then after that, 588 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: it kind of I'm not going to say it radicalized me, 589 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: but it it made me recognize that, you know, the 590 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: stuff that you know, the stuff that I used to 591 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: do in my old my old life, right when I 592 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: carried a gun for a living. It seemed like that 593 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: was trying that was being done to the American public 594 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: on many different levels, and it's been proven and so 595 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 2: many different explicit points that were is asgregious as anything 596 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: I'd ever seen. And so after I kind of got 597 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: my my myself back together, my business had collapsed, everything 598 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: was over. I kind of got back got my my 599 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 2: my you know, generating enough revenue to support my family. 600 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: And just a couple months ago is when Buck reached 601 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: out and was like, hey, rut brother, you know, hey, 602 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: you got any interest of getting back behind the mic? 603 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: And I jumped at it. Boy, I was so excited 604 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: to as you know, to be a part of their 605 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 2: network and how impact those men have and to work 606 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 2: for Premiere is just it's such a blessing. And so 607 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 2: my idea is I just want to bring a little 608 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 2: bit of common sense to a tsunami of information so 609 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: that I can kind of consolidate and help contextualize, you know, 610 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: the information that's going to protect people against that onslaught 611 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: by that negative insurgencies. Those are nefarious forces that are 612 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: trying to convince people something that's not true is true 613 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: to get whatever ends necessary to do whatever they have 614 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: to do. And so that's the whole pretense behind the 615 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: David Rutherford Show. You can find me everywhere on Audio, Apple, Spotify, 616 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: the iHeart Network. You can find a video on YouTube, Rumble. 617 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: We've got a Patreon account. If you go on all 618 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 2: social media X, Instagram, Tiktac, it's David Rutherford Show at 619 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 2: David Rutherford Show, and then on X It's de Rutherford Show. 620 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: And then if you want to follow me, it's at 621 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: Team frog Logic. 622 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you so much, thank you for being on today. 623 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: It was awesome to talk to you. 624 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: Well, listen, what you got to do for me is 625 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: you just got promise now that I can get you 626 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 2: on my show. Of course we can dig into how 627 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: you're going to fight this thing this next time out, 628 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: because that's what I want to know. 629 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: Of course. Of course, Well, and I want to say 630 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: thank you to everybody listening, and you made me think. 631 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: I always tell people you can download on iheard on Apple, 632 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: you go to the Tutor dixonpodcast dot com, but I 633 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: never tell people that you can actually watch it on 634 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: Rumble too. So we put our show out there on Rumble. 635 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: If you want to see the show at any time time, 636 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 1: you can check it out on Rumble. We are there, 637 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: every every episode is there. So I appreciate having you 638 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: on today and I appreciate all of our listeners. Thank 639 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: you all so much. Have a blessed day.