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Speaker 2: Vincent Goodwill has all the answers. Yea Hu's Sports senior,
Speaker 2: NBA writer and host of The Good Word podcast. Is
Speaker 2: it a slight to say Kevin Durant is one of
Speaker 2: the greatest scorers of all time?
Speaker 3: It's a got a slight, Dan, It's just limiting, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Like when you say someone's a
Speaker 3: great scorer, you're saying that's the only thing that they're
Speaker 3: great at. Like when I say Carmelo Anthony is a
Speaker 3: great score, that's like the first thing that you think of.
Speaker 4: And this if you.
Speaker 3: Take a while before you go to maybe the other
Speaker 3: things of this game. And I'm not insulting Carmelo in
Speaker 3: any way, but you think of Carmelo as the first,
Speaker 3: as a great score first and foremost you think of
Speaker 3: kad Or. You should think of kat as one of
Speaker 3: the greatest all around players this league has ever seen. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: in the era of Lebron James and Stephen Curry, you
Speaker 3: tend to limit him or discuss him in other ways
Speaker 3: a lot of times that have nothing.
Speaker 4: To do with basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think with Steph Curry, he's the greatest
Speaker 2: shooter of all time. We talk about anything else with him. Now,
Speaker 2: granted that's a great compliment, but if I said Steph
Speaker 2: Curry one of the greatest scorers of all time, that
Speaker 2: would be accurate because he's not known for anything else
Speaker 2: other than being the greatest shooter in the history of
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 4: I agree, And it's weird.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is because we don't think about
Speaker 3: shooters being great players.
Speaker 4: In that way.
Speaker 3: When you think maybe aside from Larry Bird, but when
Speaker 3: you thought of great shooters, you think of guys that
Speaker 3: have like a specialized skill like a Dale Ellis or
Speaker 3: someone like that that's just a three point shooter only
Speaker 3: almost like a field goal kicker in a way in football.
Speaker 3: But Steph has sort of revolutionized it in a way
Speaker 3: that he is a great scorer and he is a
Speaker 3: great shooter, the great shooter we've ever seen, but there's
Speaker 3: so many other different parts and different facets to his game.
Speaker 3: I think with someone like Kadie, the conversation is so
Speaker 3: convoluted and a lot of times unfair when it comes
Speaker 3: to Kevin Durant that we're always looking for the slight
Speaker 3: when someone calls him a great God saying, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: what about the other parts of this game you don't like?
Speaker 3: For me, Dan, I thought Kevin Durant became the league's
Speaker 3: best player in twenty fourteen when he became the best
Speaker 3: defensive player between himself and Lebron James. Except we never
Speaker 3: thought about Kevin Durant in that way. We short ourselves
Speaker 3: and we short him in the way that we discuss him.
Speaker 3: And now that he's on the back end of his career,
Speaker 3: now we're starting to hopefully acknowledge and see all the
Speaker 3: great parts of this game.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about we look at this down the road
Speaker 2: when their careers are over with who will be recognized
Speaker 2: as a better player, Steph Curry or Kevin Durant.
Speaker 4: That's an excellent, excellent question, man.
Speaker 3: I think Steph Curry won that championship in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two put him over the top of Kevin Durant. I think,
Speaker 3: unfortunately this Rings culture. I don't subscribe to Rings culture
Speaker 3: in that sort of direct way, but I do think
Speaker 3: that STEP's ability to lead a franchise, to stay with
Speaker 3: a franchise, to stick it out with a franchise, compared
Speaker 3: to who's been a little bit more mercenary. That's going
Speaker 3: to be something that people look at as a demerit.
Speaker 3: I think it's a basketball player Kevin Durant because of
Speaker 3: what he does defensively, he's a better all around player
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the post trade deadline, Jimmy Butler's contribution
Speaker 2: impact at Golden State and Lucas with the Lakers. Which
Speaker 2: team do you think goes further due to these two editions.
Speaker 3: I think Jimmy Butler makes a bigger impact with the
Speaker 3: Golden State Warriors, but that's because the Golden State Warriors
Speaker 3: have such a long way to go relative to the Lakers.
Speaker 3: Like the Lakers were on a roll up until this trade,
Speaker 3: and part of that has been the schedule lighting up
Speaker 3: and Lebron coming off of his sabbatical, if that's what
Speaker 3: we're going.
Speaker 4: To call it.
Speaker 3: He's coming back from that with both freshet of legs
Speaker 3: and everything else. I think Luca is a little bit
Speaker 3: more duplication. He just does it at a higher level
Speaker 3: and he probably has the stamina to do it for
Speaker 3: longer stretches of time than Lebron does at this stage
Speaker 3: of his career. But I don't see the Lakers having
Speaker 3: enough actual functional size and defense on the back line
Speaker 3: to make a real impact in the playoffs. I know
Speaker 3: that they've won a lot of games, and I think
Speaker 3: they're you know, a game and a half and the
Speaker 3: lost cosum of being like third in the West or
Speaker 3: second in the West or whatever it is. But I
Speaker 3: still think that size gets it done when you're talking
Speaker 3: about playing a full seven game series. Now, when I
Speaker 3: look at Golden State, they're used to playing small and
Speaker 3: you have someone in Draymond Green on the back line.
Speaker 3: Steph Curry has not played with a guy who can
Speaker 3: create his own shot at.
Speaker 4: An elite level.
Speaker 3: Stency's played with Kevin Durant and that was in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: was the last year those guys played together. I'm very
Speaker 3: curious to see how those two guys mesh, you know,
Speaker 3: Katie and Katie, Jimmy going to the bucket and being
Speaker 3: able to be passed first and Steph being able to
Speaker 3: roam around on the perimeter having someone.
Speaker 4: Create shots for him. That could be scary.
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick good Will y'allho's sports senior NBA writer, host
Speaker 2: of The Good Word podcast. You know a story that's
Speaker 2: kind of gone under the radar, you know, Utah's tanking,
Speaker 2: Washington's tanking.
Speaker 5: Are the Pelicans tanking? Are they just bad?
Speaker 4: They're confident, they're not trying to be bad. Man.
Speaker 3: Some look, when you're in the luxury tax, you ain't
Speaker 3: in a luxury tax because you're trying to tank. This
Speaker 3: is not a stealth tank job on the Pelicans part. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they traded Brandon Ingram, but they were expecting Zion Willims.
Speaker 4: And to be good this year.
Speaker 3: They acquired the john Ty Murray because they wanted to
Speaker 3: make a run, like on December one of last season,
Speaker 3: not December first of this season. They were the best
Speaker 3: team in the Western Conference and they were looking at
Speaker 3: it saying, if we get healthy, if we stay healthy,
Speaker 3: we're going to be able to make some real noise
Speaker 3: because of the youth and the defense and some of
Speaker 3: the athleticism that we have. It just hasn't worked and
Speaker 3: they're bad. And unfortunately for New Wallan, I feel like
Speaker 3: they're going to have to part ways with Zion Williams
Speaker 3: and after the season. And it's not to say that
Speaker 3: Zion can't turn it around. It's just that it feels
Speaker 3: like that relationship is going sour and those sides cannot
Speaker 3: go on. So I don't think this is by design.
Speaker 3: They were not intending to be bad. David Griffin thought
Speaker 3: he was going to put together a team that was
Speaker 3: going to compete in the Western Conference this year.
Speaker 2: So the coach didn't talk. After the last game, the
Speaker 2: fans booed the new team governor, the former owner, told
Speaker 2: fans to shut the bleep up. Fans got tossed for
Speaker 2: signs saying fire Nico, and the team lost to Sacramento.
Speaker 2: Other than that, it seems like, as Tim Klashaw has
Speaker 2: tweeted out, everything's going well in Dallas.
Speaker 4: Everything's going swimmingly there.
Speaker 3: Look, then we can all adjudicate the Luka Donci's trade, right,
Speaker 3: And I'm not one of those people that cause it
Speaker 3: the worst trade of all time, Like when they say
Speaker 3: they traded for ad I think there are people are
Speaker 3: trying to say that they traded for Antonio Davis in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four, so that like Anthony Betas is one
Speaker 3: of the top ten players in basketball. But I think
Speaker 3: that it's been a stroke of bad luck for a
Speaker 3: franchise that is so connected to Luke. They're more connected
Speaker 3: to Luka Doncic than they were to the actual Dallas Mavericks,
Speaker 3: and that's something that you generally dan incorporate with losers.
Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna tell you a quick story. I was
Speaker 3: a fan of the Detroit Lions, and then July twenty seventh,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine happened, and I was no longer a
Speaker 3: fan of the Detroit Lions and I have not gone
Speaker 3: back since. Why because they were losers. And then when
Speaker 3: they made Barry Sanders quit, I quit them. Dallas has
Speaker 3: won a championship and they went to the finals. Those
Speaker 3: fans should not be bailing, even though I understand their
Speaker 3: anger and frustration, but this is a bit shocking the
Speaker 3: reaction from everyone.
Speaker 4: Death that's Niel Henderson. That's a bit low to me.
Speaker 2: If you gave Nico a do over a mulligan right
Speaker 2: now today.
Speaker 3: I think, given the fact that we don't know the
Speaker 3: extent of Anthony Davis's injury, this core muscle injury that
Speaker 3: he has, you might give him a mull again based
Speaker 3: off of that, not necessarily based off of the reaction.
Speaker 3: Usually you can ride off the reaction, and I think
Speaker 3: he was confident enough to say we got some bigs
Speaker 3: here that can really make some things happen.
Speaker 4: In the Western Conference.
Speaker 3: If we get them all healthy and upright, I don't
Speaker 3: think I don't think people as strong minded as Nico
Speaker 3: Harrison are going to be swayed that quickly because of
Speaker 3: the reaction.
Speaker 4: He could be swayed because of.
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis's health, not because everybody is so heartbroken and
Speaker 3: betrayed over Lukadomcic.
Speaker 2: Always great to talk to you, Vincent. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4: Next time, I'll be on video.
Speaker 3: Dan.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what our audience wants. The ladies love that.
Speaker 2: The ladies want that.
Speaker 3: Dan.
Speaker 4: Don't get me in trouble man.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I was gonna say, Vincent Goodwill hunting, but
Speaker 2: you're not. You're in love right.
Speaker 3: I'm the love doctor. No Moore just gonna say that,
Speaker 3: I'm the love doctor.
Speaker 4: No Moore.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Vincent.
Speaker 2: Vincent Goodwill, Yahoo's sports senior NBA writer, host of The
Speaker 2: Good Word podcast.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what he does for his twenty third birthday,
Speaker 2: but his twenty second birthday was pretty cool. Cooper de Jean,
Speaker 2: the Eagles defensive back, had to pick six as the
Speaker 2: Eagles win the Super Bowl, they got the parade coming
Speaker 2: up on Friday. How much sleep since Sunday?
Speaker 5: Coop?
Speaker 7: Not a whole lot, Not a whole lot.
Speaker 9: I've been trying to catch up a little bit, but
Speaker 9: I've gotten I've gotten very little sleep these past few days.
Speaker 5: How was the after party?
Speaker 7: It was awesome? It was awesome. It's a lot better
Speaker 7: when you win.
Speaker 5: Who is who is the MVP of the after party?
Speaker 7: That's a good question.
Speaker 9: There was a there's quite a few guys that were
Speaker 9: having to having good time at the after party.
Speaker 2: Well, you're just old enough to drink now now that
Speaker 2: you're twenty two, So did you Did you celebrate as
Speaker 2: well with these guys?
Speaker 7: Of course, of course I celebrate.
Speaker 9: I had to had to celebrate winning a world championship
Speaker 9: and on my birthday, so I had to celebrate.
Speaker 2: The defensive game plan of not blitzing. Was that discussed
Speaker 2: prior to the game, that that was going to be
Speaker 2: the game plan? That nobody is going after mahomes other
Speaker 2: than your front four?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I think that's that's the way we
Speaker 9: practiced all week. It's just to play our coverage like
Speaker 9: we like we've done all year. Obviously we've blitz a
Speaker 9: little bit this year, but I think, you know, we
Speaker 9: we work really well together in the back end, the
Speaker 9: way we plays on coverage and the way we match routes,
Speaker 9: and you know, it's it makes it easy on on
Speaker 9: the back end when you know you got a D
Speaker 9: line up front that's that gets pressure without without having
Speaker 9: to you know, plits the quarterback.
Speaker 5: What was your job? What was your role in the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl?
Speaker 9: I mean, just to disrupt timing and you know, packing
Speaker 9: zones and make create tight windows for the quarterback, you know,
Speaker 9: disrupt timing from the receivers getting off the getting off
Speaker 9: the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 7: You know, try to give our D line as much.
Speaker 9: Time to get to the quarterback, you know, and then
Speaker 9: and then packing those zones, you know, and switch up
Speaker 9: the picture on the quarterback and you know, make him
Speaker 9: have to make him have to play quarterback.
Speaker 2: What did you show my homes or that maybe he
Speaker 2: didn't see on your pick six?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we were. We were playing uh zone
Speaker 9: coverage and you know the way we played it, it
Speaker 9: was I was kind of playing off Zach in front
Speaker 9: of me, and he actually he actually ran to the flat,
Speaker 9: which was my responsibility, and it allowed me to fall
Speaker 9: back inside. But I think, I think that's just how
Speaker 9: it's been all year, just us playing off of each other.
Speaker 9: And I saw him go out there to the flat,
Speaker 9: and I was able to fall back inside and got
Speaker 9: to be a free player and just read the quarterback
Speaker 9: and able to pick the ball off.
Speaker 5: When did you start thinking end zone?
Speaker 9: Right when I caught the ball. Every time I touched
Speaker 9: the ball, I want to score, you know. It's It's
Speaker 9: been that way since as long as I remember playing football.
Speaker 9: So but luckily I got some got some blocks out
Speaker 9: there from the big guys up up front.
Speaker 7: Threw me some blocks and found my way in to
Speaker 7: the end zone.
Speaker 5: Did you keep the ball?
Speaker 7: Of course, of course I kept. I had to keep.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you get too excited and you might, you know,
Speaker 2: be spiking it or something and then teammate has to
Speaker 2: grab it or something. But look, this isn't normal like
Speaker 2: your age, Super Bowl going against Mahomes pick six. I mean,
Speaker 2: how do you how do you process that of where
Speaker 2: you were, where you were drafted and uh, here you are.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I mean, I don't think I processed it yet.
Speaker 9: Yeah, three and a half years ago, I was in
Speaker 9: high school and I'm playing on on the biggest stage
Speaker 9: in football in the super Bowl, And I think it's
Speaker 9: just a lot of credit to the people who've helped
Speaker 9: me along along the way.
Speaker 2: You didn't have a Mahomes poster on your wall growing up,
Speaker 2: did you?
Speaker 7: No? I didn't. I didn't. I did watch him.
Speaker 9: You haven't haven't played quarterback, you know, I did watch
Speaker 9: him quite a bit growing up.
Speaker 5: But did you talk to him at all? Have you
Speaker 5: talked to Mahomes after the game?
Speaker 7: I have No, I haven't, I have it. I'm not sure. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I haven't talked to him.
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't ask him to sign the football. I'd
Speaker 2: wait a little while before you do something like that.
Speaker 2: Me into halftime, what was it like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean a lot of a lot of focus.
Speaker 9: I think, you know, I think everybody understood that the
Speaker 9: game wasn't over because you know, we understood who you
Speaker 9: know who, who they were on.
Speaker 7: On that side.
Speaker 9: You know their their offense and what they're capable of,
Speaker 9: their quarterback, their offense, how explosive it is, and you know,
Speaker 9: so we knew, we knew it wasn't finished you at halftime,
Speaker 9: and you know we had to you know, we had
Speaker 9: to go out there and you know put it away
Speaker 9: in that second half.
Speaker 5: When did you know the game was over?
Speaker 9: That's I mean, I don't know if I really crossed
Speaker 9: my mind until it was later in that in that
Speaker 9: fourth quarter.
Speaker 5: Like thirty four to nothing. I think you feel pretty safe,
Speaker 5: don't you.
Speaker 7: That Then I think we gave up.
Speaker 9: We give up a touchdown, So, I mean I was,
Speaker 9: I was still a little a little nervous. I didn't
Speaker 9: want to, you know, say it was over yet, but
Speaker 9: there's there was definitely a lot of a lot of
Speaker 9: confidence when we got when we went up thirty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you guys should put the score
Speaker 2: forty to six on your ring because those last two
Speaker 2: touchdowns they really don't count. I mean, it was an
Speaker 2: incredible defensive performance, but you gave up a couple of
Speaker 2: garbage touchdowns.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the way our defensive played, we just
Speaker 9: we just continue to get better over the year, and
Speaker 9: you know, the performers that we put out there, you know,
Speaker 9: in the super Bowl on the biggest stage. I don't
Speaker 9: think it's a surprise to any of us, you know,
Speaker 9: the work we put it in, you know, throughout the
Speaker 9: whole year, throughout practice, and then just going out there
Speaker 9: and do our doing, doing our thing, what we've done
Speaker 9: all year.
Speaker 5: The number of people lived in your hometown is what
Speaker 5: A thousand?
Speaker 7: This hundred thousand?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay, yep.
Speaker 2: Do you get a statue in your hometown? Is there
Speaker 2: any talk of a Cooper to Gene statue?
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't think there's any talk of that,
Speaker 7: not that I've earned, at least that I've heard.
Speaker 2: Well, we should start that. Where is anybody more famous
Speaker 2: in your hometown?
Speaker 7: I mean, not that I know of.
Speaker 9: I don't know if there's I don't know if there's
Speaker 9: any any professional athletes from from my hometown.
Speaker 2: A thousand people. You got a traffic light in your hometown?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: Why don't you?
Speaker 5: Why don't you have one installed?
Speaker 2: Like you could have the Cooper to g and you
Speaker 2: gotta have something in there the Cooper to g maybe
Speaker 2: a park bench, maybe a traffic light stop something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: your defense, I mean stop, I think that would be
Speaker 2: a By the way, if I get a slam dunk
Speaker 2: contest for NFL players, how do you think you do.
Speaker 7: You know, I got a couple of couple of tricks
Speaker 7: in my bag that I could.
Speaker 9: I haven't played basketball in a while, so I probably
Speaker 9: need a little bit of practice, but I think I could.
Speaker 7: I could compete a little bit.
Speaker 5: What's your go to.
Speaker 7: Go to man?
Speaker 9: Probably just a windmill, Maybe something off the side of
Speaker 9: the backboard, could be something.
Speaker 7: Off the glass. Three sixty three sixty. That's some ideas.
Speaker 2: I think we should get this together and maybe I
Speaker 2: could work on this. I got to work on a
Speaker 2: statue for you in a slam done contest with NFL players.
Speaker 5: Congrats, a great.
Speaker 2: Moment for you, certainly for your family and your hometown
Speaker 2: as well, and thanks for joining us. Be careful with
Speaker 2: the parade on Friday, Cooper, Absolutely be careful. Be careful,
Speaker 2: Cooper to Jean the Eagles defensive bank.
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Speaker 2: go back to Sunday morning. Your level of confidence was what.
Speaker 10: Extremely high listen I said to you. I think I'm
Speaker 10: sure I did that. I knew they could lose. I
Speaker 10: didn't think they I thought it was zero percent. They
Speaker 10: lost to the Texans. I thought they could lose to
Speaker 10: the Bills, but I would have been shocked. And I
Speaker 10: thought they could lose to the Eagles, but I would
Speaker 10: have been shocked. What I obviously did not anticipate at
Speaker 10: all was the method in which they lost. And one
Speaker 10: of the reasons I was so confident is I had said,
Speaker 10: this is a team that you can't blow out, and
Speaker 10: if it's close late, you trust Patrick, and so I
Speaker 10: didn't think the Chiefs were gonna blow out Philly. You know,
Speaker 10: I had respect for Philly, and I think they're a
Speaker 10: great roster and even better than I expected. But yeah,
Speaker 10: I was my confidence Sunday morning. Maybe what might be
Speaker 10: more instructive is my confidence Saturday night, Dan, when at
Speaker 10: a few Super Bowl parties, a few drinks in every
Speaker 10: Eagles fan I saw, if they started talking to me,
Speaker 10: I'd very earnestly look them in the eye and say,
Speaker 10: I really hope tonight is one of the best nights
Speaker 10: of your life, because tomorrow is gonna be one of
Speaker 10: the worst. Oh my god, and that didn't you know
Speaker 10: it happens?
Speaker 2: I suppose when did you realize you were in trouble
Speaker 2: during the game?
Speaker 10: Probably later than I should have, Dan, to be honest
Speaker 10: with you, ten nothing. I felt, fine, They've come back
Speaker 10: from ten nothing down in every Super or not ten nothing,
Speaker 10: but ten down in every Super Bowl. The pick six
Speaker 10: even obviously at that moment, I'm like, oh, you're up
Speaker 10: against it now, but I still felt, Okay, get the ball, score,
Speaker 10: get the ball after half. Fine, the three and out
Speaker 10: after the pick six. Everyone points to the interception the
Speaker 10: next drive. But the three and out is what was
Speaker 10: to me really concerning because it was like, Oh, they
Speaker 10: know now they've got to go, and they don't have answers.
Speaker 10: So in that moment, I was like, oh, they're probably cooked.
Speaker 10: But then one of the downsides Dan to a long halftime,
Speaker 10: Do you have enough time to walk around? And I
Speaker 10: had a gosh darn it. I think addics call it
Speaker 10: a moment of clarity, and I was like, this whole
Speaker 10: thing started down twenty four to nothing, the first Super
Speaker 10: Bowl they ever won, down twenty four to nothing, and
Speaker 10: then go on to run and now down twenty four
Speaker 10: to nothing, with mister twenty eight to three in the
Speaker 10: booth to pull off the three peet, I'm like, oh my,
Speaker 10: and I'm now at halftime. I spent most of the
Speaker 10: time formulating my Monday argument as to why a twenty
Speaker 10: four to nothing comeback is so much better than a
Speaker 10: twenty eight to three comeback, and turns out I won't
Speaker 10: need that argument.
Speaker 5: But how do you explain this?
Speaker 2: If somebody didn't see it, you would say this is
Speaker 2: why it happened.
Speaker 10: I would say that two most basic reasons are as follows,
Speaker 10: and they both oddly have a direct game corollary and
Speaker 10: the same game reason one the single most and this
Speaker 10: is not a high level analysis, but it's just a
Speaker 10: truism of football, The single most effective way to disrupt
Speaker 10: a great quarterback is to if you can get constant
Speaker 10: pressure without sending a guys, because they're already at a
Speaker 10: numbers disadvantage. You got five blocking four and the quarterback.
Speaker 10: So if you can get pressure with those four, your
Speaker 10: seven get to guard their five, right, And so that's
Speaker 10: the single best way to do it. They did it brilliantly.
Speaker 10: It was the best any team had done it in
Speaker 10: at least fifteen years in a Super Bowl. More on
Speaker 10: that in the moment. And the second reason is, for
Speaker 10: the first time all year, the moment got to the
Speaker 10: team and got to Patrick. They have been like, I'm
Speaker 10: not going I'm not here to make excuses. I will
Speaker 10: give context if people want to act like Patrick is
Speaker 10: the first, in fact, he just joins every other quarterback
Speaker 10: ever to have a truly brutal playoff game. But the
Speaker 10: moment got to him. It felt like and the last time.
Speaker 10: And this is where sports are great. In my lifetime,
Speaker 10: there have only been two NFL games played where a
Speaker 10: team walked onto the field and knew, if we win today,
Speaker 10: we are the greatest team of all time, the seven
Speaker 10: Super Bowl Patriots Giants and this year's Super Bowl. Now
Speaker 10: different greatest team O seven was going for single season
Speaker 10: Chiefs going for the greatest you know stretch and it
Speaker 10: was the exact same blueprint in both games. Got home
Speaker 10: with four and one of the greatest quarterbacks we've ever
Speaker 10: seen was skittish and didn't play well. Like that's that
Speaker 10: that is what happened. Now that game was close, obviously
Speaker 10: this game was not, but that defensive performance holding that
Speaker 10: Patriots seemed to fourteen points. It was unthinkable they were
Speaker 10: fourteen point favorites, and so and so it's we saw
Speaker 10: it a team that all year long, the moment was
Speaker 10: never too big for him. It watching it the first
Speaker 10: people the first third down of the game, Dan little
Speaker 10: easy pass, Mahomes throws it a little behind and Kelsey
Speaker 10: doesn't quite grab it, and you're like, oh, that's weird.
Speaker 10: That was an important play. It's Kelsey and it's Mahomes
Speaker 10: and they were both a little off and that was
Speaker 10: the story of the game.
Speaker 5: How much of a hit to Mahomes Aura?
Speaker 10: You think, Oh, Aura is a great question. So I
Speaker 10: think temporarily it's a big hit. This is again where
Speaker 10: I the twenty twenty one AFC Championship game, coming off
Speaker 10: a year they had been blown out in the Super
Speaker 10: Bowl against Tampa and they're up twenty one to three
Speaker 10: on Cincinnati, and then Mahomes played the worst half of
Speaker 10: his life and they lose. That was and then they
Speaker 10: trade Tyreek Hill. The aura, the mystique, all of it
Speaker 10: was dead and gone. They were a one time champion
Speaker 10: who had back to back tough playoff losses, and then
Speaker 10: they spent the last three years building that back up,
Speaker 10: so they're going to have to do that again. The
Speaker 10: can we talk legacy stuff for a moment here, sure,
Speaker 10: because what I and I don't think you've done this.
Speaker 10: But what is really frustrating to me, though, is folks
Speaker 10: acting like, listen, if you're an all time great, this
Speaker 10: doesn't happen to you. The fact of the matter is
Speaker 10: every single all time great ever this has happened to.
Speaker 10: We know Elway got annihilated in a bunch of Super
Speaker 10: Bowls fifty five to ten, most notably, Marino got annihilated
Speaker 10: in his only Super Bowl. Peyton Manning got annihilated forty
Speaker 10: three to eight. People will say Joe Montana never did.
Speaker 10: In fact, Joe Montana was perfect in super Bowls. That
Speaker 10: is true. Joe Montana, also in the smack Dad middle
Speaker 10: of his prime, in back to back to back years,
Speaker 10: was one and done in the playoffs back to back
Speaker 10: to back years, zero playoff touchdowns, back to back to
Speaker 10: back years, blown out in the playoffs by a combined
Speaker 10: score of one hundred and one hundred and two to thirty.
Speaker 10: So and then people say, what about Tom the year
Speaker 10: he was going for a three peat, didn't get to
Speaker 10: have his melt down in the Super Bowl because he
Speaker 10: threw a pick six to let a game get out
Speaker 10: of hand against Jake Plumber in round two. So I'm
Speaker 10: not making excuses. I am saying the one thing Patrick
Speaker 10: had on his resume, depending on how you judge that
Speaker 10: Tampa Super Bowl was never a moment like this. Now
Speaker 10: he has it, and he joins literally every other quarterback ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd only push back on a little bit with that.
Speaker 2: If Mahomes had won forty to twenty two, we might
Speaker 2: be having a conversation of a larger picture of Mahomes
Speaker 2: with Brady. Now now they're even.
Speaker 10: Uh so that is where that is where I totally
Speaker 10: agree with you. What this game did. I don't think
Speaker 10: I think anyone acting like it moved Mahomes backwards. I
Speaker 10: think it is being dishonest or unfair it now not
Speaker 10: only did it stall the progress, but had they won,
Speaker 10: I would have come on here and said he doesn't
Speaker 10: need seven. In fact, he might already be the best
Speaker 10: ever seven years, four rings, a three peat, you know, boom.
Speaker 10: But now Brady also went back to back right, so
Speaker 10: like you didn't do something he didn't do. So now
Speaker 10: it's like he walked onto the field, and it's like
Speaker 10: there could be a real goat debate Monday morning, a
Speaker 10: real debate, I think, And now the earliest that can
Speaker 10: probably happen is twenty thirty. And so yes, like, I
Speaker 10: agree with you entirely on that.
Speaker 2: He's Nick Wright, host of First Things First on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports one, What's Right with Nick Wright? On YouTube wherever
Speaker 2: you get your podcast. I'll move on from the Chiefs
Speaker 2: here for a moment. I mentioned Kevin Durant going to
Speaker 2: thirty thousand career points, and I think it's a slight
Speaker 2: to call him one of the greatest score of all
Speaker 2: time because it really limits just your focus of what
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant really is. Dirk Novitsky was a great scorer,
Speaker 2: Alan Iverson a great score, Alex English a great score.
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant is far more than that. He's a better
Speaker 2: basketball player than Steph Curry. But it feels like when
Speaker 2: you say he's the one of the great scorers of
Speaker 2: all time, I don't think we look at the totality.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious where you see Durant in his placement.
Speaker 10: I agree with a lot of what you said. Better
Speaker 10: basket Is flatly called him a better basketball player than
Speaker 10: Steph Curry. I'd have to spend more time thinking about.
Speaker 10: But I understand the point up in my head and
Speaker 10: this is the ultimate compliment insult. I kind of put
Speaker 10: him in the same category as Shack, which is one
Speaker 10: of the greatest players ever who did not reach their potential.
Speaker 10: So like, he's one of the fifteen to twenty greatest
Speaker 10: players of all time time and that was probably a
Speaker 10: worst case scenario for him, and that's a bummer. Like
Speaker 10: I the Kevin Durant lived, lived in the conference finals
Speaker 10: or NBA finals for his twenties and in his thirties,
Speaker 10: he hasn't made it out a round two. He is,
Speaker 10: you know, he's his basketball nomad. His his very ardent
Speaker 10: belief that it is not my job to be a
Speaker 10: leader has clearly hurt him. He has picked strange bedfellows.
Speaker 10: He the You know, there's just a lot of stuff
Speaker 10: where I had somebody that is incredibly close to a
Speaker 10: different all time great. Say if you had lined up
Speaker 10: every top twenty player ever blacktop style, you know, picking
Speaker 10: picking teams, and there was someone who'd never seen any
Speaker 10: of them play, and you described their attributes to the guy,
Speaker 10: It's like, hey, who do you want for overall? And
Speaker 10: you go to Jordan and it's like, well, he's about
Speaker 10: average height for the people here. He's you know, the
Speaker 10: second or third best athlete. There's about seven guys that
Speaker 10: can shoot better than him. There's a couple of guys
Speaker 10: who can dribble better than him. But he is a
Speaker 10: crazy competitor, like insane competitor. They'd be like, Okay, who
Speaker 10: else you got? Like, all right, and describe Lebron. He's
Speaker 10: the best athlete here. There's ten guys who can dribble
Speaker 10: better than him. There's two guys who can pass better
Speaker 10: than him. There's seven guys who can shoot.
Speaker 4: Better than him.
Speaker 10: Be like, Okay, who's the next guy, who's the tall guy?
Speaker 10: It's like, oh him, Well, he's the second best shooter here,
Speaker 10: he's the second tallest person here, he's the fourth best
Speaker 10: dribbler here. He's like, oh, I want him, Like I actually,
Speaker 10: he's gonna be my first pick of every basketball player ever.
Speaker 10: And that's where I say he kind of didn't quite
Speaker 10: reach what he should have. Okay, is that fair?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 5: I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2: The nomad and I think if he had gone back
Speaker 2: to if he had gone to the Wizards and led
Speaker 2: them to the play, you know, like Lebron went back
Speaker 2: to Cleveland and that cemented his legacy. Before I let
Speaker 2: you go, who had the worst weekend?
Speaker 9: Me?
Speaker 5: Mahomes, Me Drake or you Me?
Speaker 10: No goodness, no matter who was on the list, it
Speaker 10: was gonna be me, I know. Can I tell you
Speaker 10: a quick story?
Speaker 5: Okay? Is it a quick story?
Speaker 10: Probably not, but it's a great story.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: Can I take a break for your great story?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 5: Is it teas worthy? It is?
Speaker 10: You will love it?
Speaker 2: Okay, your group, Okay, we'll love it. Okay, all right,
Speaker 2: we'll take a break. We'll come back with Nick Wright
Speaker 2: and his great story. Well, let's see if it's a
Speaker 2: great story. If Mike Greenberg was selling this, he would
Speaker 2: be like coming up one of the greatest stories ever told.
Speaker 1: Get up.
Speaker 2: So Nick Wright is staying with us, of course, the
Speaker 2: host of First Things First on Fox Sports wand What's
Speaker 2: Right with Nick Right on YouTube wherever you get your podcast,
Speaker 2: had a rough weekend, had a weekend that was worse
Speaker 2: than Mahomes or Drake, which is saying a lot.
Speaker 10: So first of all, what is this a Ken Burns documentary?
Speaker 10: How long are your commercial breaks. My god, I said
Speaker 10: I'd sit through the break. I didn't know, I mean,
Speaker 10: my god. Well, so here's the benefit of there's not
Speaker 10: a lot of benefits of the fact that you're not
Speaker 10: a listener to the ever growing and very popular What's
Speaker 10: Right in the Great podcast host with my son Deman's.
Speaker 10: One of the benefits is you're gonna get to hear
Speaker 10: the story for the first time. Subscribers and listeners got
Speaker 10: to hear it yesterday. Subscribe on YouTube right Saturday night
Speaker 10: for the Super Bowl. I'm at one of the many
Speaker 10: Super Bowl parties. Of course you've met my wife. She's
Speaker 10: with her best friend, both beautiful women. As often as
Speaker 10: the case whenever we go to like some you know,
Speaker 10: nightclub type place. We haven't been in there five minutes,
Speaker 10: and all of a sudden, some group of fellas have
Speaker 10: been like, hey, we have a second you guys want
Speaker 10: to sit here. They're wearing heels, so they're like yeah.
Speaker 10: They My wife then says to me, do you want
Speaker 10: to sit I'm like, no, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 10: not sit in these fellows section who invited you in
Speaker 10: because you're beautiful and they have no idea we're together.
Speaker 10: You guys, go ahead, all have fun, circle around, you
Speaker 10: have sea fights on a giant scream. So I'm just
Speaker 10: standing kind of close to the section watching the USC fight,
Speaker 10: having a few cocktails. Some point after I stood there
Speaker 10: a while, a woman walks up to me says, can
Speaker 10: I ask you a question? Like, of course, why do
Speaker 10: you talk so bad about Jalen Hurts. I'm like, well,
Speaker 10: I don't know that it's I do and you know,
Speaker 10: I do a little tap dancing. And she's like no,
Speaker 10: and she seems to have some very quotables. Some I said,
Speaker 10: some I didn't, And I'm like, okay, well, okay, so
Speaker 10: here are the good things I've said. Here are the
Speaker 10: critical things I've said. You know, I throw on some
Speaker 10: of that patented right charm. And I figure, we're, you know,
Speaker 10: this is going, We're gonna be out of here quickly,
Speaker 10: not budging an inch. And then I realized something Dan
Speaker 10: probably would have realized earlier had I not been a
Speaker 10: couple of cocktails in. And I said, ma'am, may ask
Speaker 10: you a question. She said yeah. I said, are you
Speaker 10: Jalen Hurts mother? She said yes, I am. I'm like, god,
Speaker 10: dog it, I'm like, this is and I said, well,
Speaker 10: I'm now in a terrible position. She said, what do
Speaker 10: you mean. I'm like, well, you're his mom. I'm supposed
Speaker 10: to right now be like, ma'am, I'm so sorry. Your
Speaker 10: son's amazing. You know, I'm playing a character on TV.
Speaker 10: Like you know, it's my job because you're his mom.
Speaker 10: I was like, however, I don't know if you respect
Speaker 10: me to begin with, but if I do that, you
Speaker 10: certainly won't. It's like, so now I feel like I
Speaker 10: have to say to you why I believe Eve the
Speaker 10: somewhat negative things I've said about your son is a
Speaker 10: thrower of the football. And she's like, yes, go ahead,
Speaker 10: and Dan when I tell you. I sat there. I
Speaker 10: stood there for fifteen minutes having a conversation about like, listen,
Speaker 10: I thought he handled the benching at Alabama incredibly well.
Speaker 10: I think I think this. I was like, now, did
Speaker 10: I call him the weak link of the Eagles offense?
Speaker 10: I did. However, the context of that is I think
Speaker 10: they have a top two everything else. I think he's
Speaker 10: top two quarterback. And she really grilled me. And then
Speaker 10: I look to my sides and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 10: know if these are cousins, brothers, uncles or whatever. But
Speaker 10: I'm now kind of flanked by what appears to be
Speaker 10: the Hurts family. So she says to me at the end,
Speaker 10: she was like, what are you gonna say? She didn't
Speaker 10: say it harshly, she said, what are you gonna say?
Speaker 10: When he wins? And because I'm me and I can't
Speaker 10: ever stop being me, I'm like, well if he went
Speaker 10: She's like, no, when he wins? And I was like, well,
Speaker 10: I got to see the game first, but then we'll
Speaker 10: see and you know, it was nice and I got
Speaker 10: I went outside sweating bullets and I was like, I
Speaker 10: don't know what just happened, but that's my that's my
Speaker 10: night before the Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: Story?
Speaker 2: Dan, why didn't you have Jalen Hurt's mom on your
Speaker 2: YouTube podcast?
Speaker 10: Invite Open?
Speaker 5: But that that's called good producing right there?
Speaker 10: Well, so here, you know what, that opens the door
Speaker 10: to a second great story. And then I'll let you go.
Speaker 5: Is it going to be better than that story?
Speaker 10: No chance?
Speaker 5: Oh, because that wasn't a great story.
Speaker 10: What do you mean?
Speaker 5: Okay, let's go around the room, Todd. Was that a
Speaker 5: great story? I think it was a good story, right,
Speaker 5: seeing story, it's a good story, all right? Marvin good story, Aunt, Paulie.
Speaker 10: I'm going very good the teas and then it being
Speaker 10: the mom and the way he ramped up to it.
Speaker 5: I'm going very good, but not great.
Speaker 2: I was more concerned with your wife and her friend
Speaker 2: at a table.
Speaker 10: I added that, now that you've heard the story, totally
Speaker 10: irrelevant detail, just to make sure you were locked in, buddy,
Speaker 10: because I knew. I knew that that was the Chekhov's
Speaker 10: gun of the story, except it was never used. Yeah,
Speaker 10: I need a better producer. I don't need That's unfair.
Speaker 10: I love my producers, but not everybody can have a
Speaker 10: Fritzy Fritzi who texts me mid super Bowl knowing what
Speaker 10: pain I'm in, then posts super Bowl and then when
Speaker 10: I defer and I'm like, hey, I can't, he then
Speaker 10: is like, oh, that's interesting because I see another show
Speaker 10: as promoting an upcoming appearance you're having, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 10: that other show is the TV show on the network
Speaker 10: that pays me. So yes, as much as I love Dan,
Speaker 10: I do to do that. And then all come on,
Speaker 10: Fritzie's a bull man. All that is true, am I lion?
Speaker 2: He's done that before to people who have lost had
Speaker 2: emotional losses, but before the game is over, when you
Speaker 2: think you're going to win, and he'll say, hey, when
Speaker 2: you win, we want to have you on and then
Speaker 2: they lose in dramatic fashion. So Fritzi, it's not just you, Nick,
Speaker 2: but you're right. I tell him to go get people,
Speaker 2: and he goes and gets people.
Speaker 10: Well, I know, I kind of finally saw all the
Speaker 10: sausage made. I always was. It was always amazing to
Speaker 10: me before we even knew each other. I'm like, man,
Speaker 10: I know people really like and respect Dane Patrick, but
Speaker 10: he gets all of the guests you'd want the day
Speaker 10: you want him, and it turns out it's because you
Speaker 10: employ a psychopath.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is true. That is true. That that is fair.
Speaker 2: That is fair. Uh so the other.
Speaker 5: Story that is that was it? That was the story. Okay,
Speaker 5: that was a.
Speaker 10: Great story that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that's a story we've heard many, many
Speaker 2: times from different people.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 2: You had something to say to Nick, Oh, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was gonna say about Nick's story.
Speaker 5: It was a solid move.
Speaker 11: Including the bit about your wife and the table, because
Speaker 11: not only did you reinforce that your wife is beautiful,
Speaker 11: but also you just proved that you're supremely confident, Like now, babe,
Speaker 11: go ahead, you go, sid I'm good, don't worry about it.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna go walk around. You go have fun. I'll
Speaker 11: see you later. Don't worry about it. That's a solid flex.
Speaker 10: Oh well thanks, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 10: that too.
Speaker 7: How about that?
Speaker 10: They have solid enough flex.
Speaker 11: Had fun, your gorgeous go enjoy yourself. Don't worry about it. See,
Speaker 11: at the end of the.
Speaker 2: Day, he ever walked into a room, been in a
Speaker 2: room with Nick when he walks in, I mean, he's
Speaker 2: not suffering from insecurity.
Speaker 5: Just saying maybe he should.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying when he walks in, walks in
Speaker 2: like Rick Flair, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: Like, dude, Wow, that's a that's a bright red.
Speaker 7: Bring the coat.
Speaker 10: You were going to bring up the coat? And did you.
Speaker 2: Did you get your coat from that restaurant yet the.
Speaker 10: Gun club you took you? No? I didn't.
Speaker 2: I never It is still okay, all right, I'll get
Speaker 2: it and I'll okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 5: To my cart.
Speaker 10: Gone, that's gone. That was a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2: There's nobody that's going to take that coat, Nick. Oh,
Speaker 2: nobody could wear that coat.
Speaker 10: I wasn't. That's not the orange coat. The orange coat
Speaker 10: I would have gotten. That was because you mocked the
Speaker 10: orange coat so badly. I wore a much more conservative dude.
Speaker 10: I think it's called camel coat, and I left it.
Speaker 10: I'll see you.
Speaker 5: How much money did you lose on Sunday?
Speaker 10: It's less about how much I lost and more about
Speaker 10: what I would have won. I uh, because they weren't.
Speaker 10: I didn't. I actually didn't have to bet the game
Speaker 10: directly because it is complex. I'm in a gambling consortium
Speaker 10: where we trade futures like stocks. So I had I
Speaker 10: had basically a downside risk of less than ten thousand
Speaker 10: dollars if the Chiefs lost, and an upside of just
Speaker 10: north of seventy if they won, and a lot of
Speaker 10: people then would have just bet thirty on the Eagles
Speaker 10: and lock in a big profit. But there's a name
Speaker 10: for those people. They're called cowards, and so I just
Speaker 10: let it ride.
Speaker 2: Keep your head up, keep your head up, as I
Speaker 2: told you Sunday night, keep your head up. Talk to
Speaker 2: you Letter two peak, Let's shut it, let's make shirts up.
Speaker 2: That's Nick Right, hosts of First Things First on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports one, what's right with Nick right,