WEBVTT - Camila Cabello 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:22.916 Pushkin. Camila Cabello is in the midst of a creative revival. 0:00:23.596 --> 0:00:27.036 Her brand new album, c Xoxo was recently dubbed hyper 0:00:27.036 --> 0:00:29.276 pop by Rolling Stone in the wake of the frenetic 0:00:29.316 --> 0:00:33.076 first single I Love It featuring Playboy Carti. The track 0:00:33.156 --> 0:00:35.716 is an entirely new direction for Camilla, who first rose 0:00:35.716 --> 0:00:37.596 to fame in twenty twelve as a member of the 0:00:37.636 --> 0:00:41.436 girl group Fifth Harmony. She's been a successful solo artist 0:00:41.436 --> 0:00:44.436 for nearly a decade now, scoring Billboard hits with Havana 0:00:44.596 --> 0:00:48.876 and Senorita, among others. On her new album, though, Camilla 0:00:48.916 --> 0:00:52.276 is racing into uncharted territory with her sound. She enlisted 0:00:52.276 --> 0:00:55.316 producers Jasper Harris and Alguinho, who's known for his work 0:00:55.316 --> 0:00:59.316 with Rosalia. Together they introduced a variety of new sounds 0:00:59.316 --> 0:01:02.556 into Camila's orbit, including all the latest sounds in hip hop, 0:01:03.116 --> 0:01:07.796 and the result is Camilla's edgiest album yet. On today's episode, 0:01:07.796 --> 0:01:10.076 I talked to Kamila about the every particular set of 0:01:10.076 --> 0:01:13.316 creative influences that inspired her new album, including a book 0:01:13.356 --> 0:01:16.636 by Joan Didion. She also talks about having features from 0:01:16.716 --> 0:01:18.956 Drake on a new album and why she wanted to 0:01:18.956 --> 0:01:25.276 make music for Miami spring Breakers. This is broken record 0:01:25.596 --> 0:01:29.276 liner notes for the Digital Age. I'm justin Mitchman. Here's 0:01:29.316 --> 0:01:31.996 my conversation with Camilla like Abeo, taped live at the 0:01:32.036 --> 0:01:36.396 Amazon Music Studios in Culver City. At what point during 0:01:36.436 --> 0:01:39.076 like a new album sort of cycle, as you're creating 0:01:39.116 --> 0:01:41.236 it and getting into going into market it, at what 0:01:41.316 --> 0:01:45.956 point do you stop and decide what like the tour 0:01:46.076 --> 0:01:49.876 is going to look like and set lists and visuals 0:01:49.916 --> 0:01:52.076 and stuff like, at what point in the creative process 0:01:52.116 --> 0:01:53.356 does that start to well? 0:01:53.396 --> 0:01:55.716 I think this was an album that was really like 0:01:56.316 --> 0:01:59.476 early on in tandem with writing it, I was kind 0:01:59.476 --> 0:02:02.476 of like drying up like pinterrest boards and stuff, and 0:02:02.516 --> 0:02:05.316 that kind of influenced the music. Like I remember, you know, 0:02:06.196 --> 0:02:08.316 kind of putting together this Pinterest board of kind of 0:02:08.356 --> 0:02:10.436 like what cx SO look like to me, And a 0:02:10.436 --> 0:02:13.716 lot of it was what you're kind of going to 0:02:13.796 --> 0:02:16.796 see on the festival stage, like you know, like the 0:02:16.916 --> 0:02:20.316 BMX culture in Miami and like the spring Breakers and 0:02:20.356 --> 0:02:23.196 the kind of girls with the sche mass and it 0:02:23.316 --> 0:02:27.076 being kind of like this kind of almost like girl 0:02:27.116 --> 0:02:31.156 gang vibe and like the XOXO girls. Like I kind 0:02:31.156 --> 0:02:33.796 of was thinking of that while we were in the studio, 0:02:33.916 --> 0:02:36.436 So it's been pretty easy in that sense. It hasn't 0:02:36.476 --> 0:02:39.116 been very like oh shit, what are we gonna do? 0:02:39.196 --> 0:02:42.556 Because I feel like this album kind of started as 0:02:42.636 --> 0:02:44.916 I was like, Okay, I feel like I've always been 0:02:44.996 --> 0:02:47.756 such a song driven artist, Like everything to me was 0:02:47.796 --> 0:02:51.556 always like how do I just make the best song, 0:02:51.716 --> 0:02:55.596 the best you know, like you know, the best chorus melody, 0:02:55.636 --> 0:02:57.236 and how do I make this lyric really good? I 0:02:57.236 --> 0:02:59.676 thought of things as very just kind of like self 0:02:59.716 --> 0:03:01.916 contained in the songs, and then I think, as I've 0:03:01.916 --> 0:03:04.756 gotten older, the next level is having this kind of 0:03:04.836 --> 0:03:07.596 world or aesthetic, which I feel like Lana does so 0:03:07.716 --> 0:03:10.916 well or you know, like I feel like that's like 0:03:10.956 --> 0:03:14.916 the next evolution for me is having like great songs 0:03:14.956 --> 0:03:18.396 obviously because that's so important to me, and and that's 0:03:18.436 --> 0:03:21.876 like obviously, like I feel like the like my starting 0:03:21.916 --> 0:03:22.396 point is. 0:03:22.356 --> 0:03:23.716 Just like if that's the bedrock for. 0:03:23.796 --> 0:03:25.756 D yeah, that's the bedrock for for everything. 0:03:25.836 --> 0:03:28.196 But like, yeah, the songs for you clearly seem like 0:03:28.236 --> 0:03:32.596 the bedrock. But this album good songs, but there's definitely. 0:03:32.436 --> 0:03:33.196 Have you heard it yet? 0:03:33.476 --> 0:03:35.196 I have? I have, I have. 0:03:35.236 --> 0:03:39.196 It's really good, really good and everything. 0:03:39.316 --> 0:03:43.236 Well it's I'll say the first time I heard it 0:03:43.276 --> 0:03:45.356 was with the new single or the first single, I 0:03:45.396 --> 0:03:49.116 love it. Yeah, and it shocked me, you know what, 0:03:49.316 --> 0:03:51.196 like that. It was funny, I think, and even going 0:03:51.236 --> 0:03:54.196 through I love looking at YouTube comments because they're both 0:03:54.356 --> 0:03:57.916 like the cesspool of society but also a bit of I. 0:03:57.876 --> 0:04:01.556 Love looking at other people's YouTube comments. Mine make me 0:04:01.596 --> 0:04:06.076 want to jump into this not even graphic just like a. 0:04:05.476 --> 0:04:07.356 Really fast card, but no, it is. 0:04:07.596 --> 0:04:11.156 It is such a good like just like human experiment project, 0:04:11.196 --> 0:04:13.516 like what do people But okay. 0:04:13.356 --> 0:04:14.836 It is mad. I mean it's mad, it's like a 0:04:14.876 --> 0:04:17.556 bunch of but but there's also it's also like interesting 0:04:17.596 --> 0:04:19.556 to sort of just see how people are processing certain things. 0:04:19.596 --> 0:04:21.596 And it was funny over time when that album first 0:04:21.636 --> 0:04:23.556 or when the song first came out and the video 0:04:23.556 --> 0:04:26.916 first came out to see the shock that people had. 0:04:26.956 --> 0:04:29.596 I think, even just like you going blonde like shocked people. 0:04:29.716 --> 0:04:32.076 Yeah, you know, totally, but. 0:04:32.036 --> 0:04:34.196 It's funny like returning to it, like over the last 0:04:34.196 --> 0:04:35.996 week or so, you started to see people are kind 0:04:35.996 --> 0:04:38.596 of catching up with what you're doing. Yeah, And so 0:04:38.676 --> 0:04:41.556 I had a similar experience with the entire album, which 0:04:41.636 --> 0:04:43.276 was the first time listening, it's what it's been like, Wow, 0:04:43.316 --> 0:04:46.076 it was really I love hearing that expecting it. But 0:04:46.076 --> 0:04:47.996 then by the third, fourth, fifth listening, I. 0:04:48.716 --> 0:04:50.516 Love hearing that because I feel like that's a really 0:04:50.836 --> 0:04:53.196 honest take, because I feel like, for me, it's like 0:04:53.396 --> 0:04:55.516 I've been living with these songs for a year now, 0:04:55.516 --> 0:04:56.436 and I've been living with. 0:04:56.716 --> 0:04:59.356 The world and the kind of like. 0:05:00.756 --> 0:05:05.716 Aesthetic evolution for a while now, and so I've obviously 0:05:05.796 --> 0:05:08.676 for me, I'm like I kind of my brain was 0:05:08.676 --> 0:05:12.356 probably like just expects people to just be as excited 0:05:12.396 --> 0:05:14.756 and and and lean into it as much as I 0:05:14.836 --> 0:05:18.316 am in the moment, But it. 0:05:17.516 --> 0:05:19.596 Really is important for me to hear you say that that. 0:05:19.636 --> 0:05:22.636 It's so true like with my favorite artists too, like 0:05:23.556 --> 0:05:26.236 when it's something that you know you haven't heard from 0:05:26.236 --> 0:05:30.556 them before, it takes you a second to warm up 0:05:30.596 --> 0:05:35.116 to understand, to recontextualize them. And I remember even like, for example, 0:05:35.156 --> 0:05:36.676 Anti like work by Rihanna. 0:05:36.676 --> 0:05:37.556 At first, I was like. 0:05:38.076 --> 0:05:40.436 What, like, I'm so confused, Like I don't know if 0:05:40.436 --> 0:05:42.036 I like this, And then I think it was like 0:05:42.116 --> 0:05:44.356 a couple months later, I was like, this is the 0:05:44.356 --> 0:05:46.516 best song of all time, but it. 0:05:46.556 --> 0:05:48.996 And the one of the best albums and one of 0:05:48.996 --> 0:05:52.276 them that whole decade of her career of R and 0:05:52.316 --> 0:05:53.236 B period, And I. 0:05:53.276 --> 0:05:56.716 Think it also I'm not by any means like because 0:05:56.756 --> 0:05:57.996 I don't think comparisons like. 0:05:57.956 --> 0:06:00.276 That exist, but I think it. 0:06:00.436 --> 0:06:02.596 I always like, I'm thinking about that now and I'm like, 0:06:02.636 --> 0:06:06.116 oh yeah, that also took us, like took a second. 0:06:06.156 --> 0:06:07.956 And I think it's so true when you, like, when 0:06:07.996 --> 0:06:10.796 you pivot and you're trying to do like something new, 0:06:10.956 --> 0:06:14.076 it just like takes people a second and you shouldn't 0:06:14.116 --> 0:06:14.716 take it personally. 0:06:14.796 --> 0:06:19.676 Absolutely, But also even before hearing the album or the singles, 0:06:20.956 --> 0:06:23.316 I was super shocked and excited that you were working 0:06:23.316 --> 0:06:25.636 with Elgwen Show. Yeah, because I mean I've been listening 0:06:25.636 --> 0:06:28.676 to Elgwen Show for like a decade now. Really incredible 0:06:28.756 --> 0:06:31.556 artist like his like his artists, Yeah, yeah, yeah, his 0:06:31.596 --> 0:06:35.636 head that he's he's phenomenally phenomenal. And it was like shot. 0:06:35.716 --> 0:06:38.116 I was like wait a second, like she's like because 0:06:38.236 --> 0:06:41.396 she's got interesting tastes, like how did how did it happen? 0:06:41.716 --> 0:06:43.236 Because he's not the obvious. 0:06:42.916 --> 0:06:45.156 Choice as as like somebody in the pops. 0:06:45.436 --> 0:06:47.516 Yeah you're a pops. I mean you're an artist, but 0:06:47.596 --> 0:06:50.436 you're also your pop star, which I feel like, do 0:06:50.476 --> 0:06:52.876 you kind of probably have to work to appease both, 0:06:52.956 --> 0:06:53.596 but I don't. 0:06:53.796 --> 0:06:56.916 I don't really work to like appease both. 0:06:57.196 --> 0:06:59.516 And I've never really been somebody who, like, I don't 0:06:59.556 --> 0:07:02.516 really try to cater to what I think people want 0:07:02.556 --> 0:07:04.516 from me or expect from me. I really just like 0:07:05.236 --> 0:07:07.516 every time, I just kind of follow my instincts. And 0:07:07.996 --> 0:07:10.036 you know, I remember my first album, like I worked 0:07:10.076 --> 0:07:12.556 with like Frank Duke's and you know, he had never 0:07:13.116 --> 0:07:16.676 worked with like a pop artist before, somebody coming from 0:07:16.676 --> 0:07:18.596 like a girl group who was like a pop girl group, 0:07:18.636 --> 0:07:18.796 you know. 0:07:18.916 --> 0:07:19.796 Yeah. 0:07:19.956 --> 0:07:22.556 And I think with Green Show, I think I gravitate 0:07:22.596 --> 0:07:27.156 to people that take risks and you know, make kind 0:07:27.156 --> 0:07:29.996 of like fresh choices, and I feel like he's somebody 0:07:29.996 --> 0:07:34.076 that has such a like consistent fresh perspective, especially on 0:07:34.276 --> 0:07:36.996 like because I don't even know, I wouldn't even say, like, 0:07:37.196 --> 0:07:40.076 I wouldn't say Rose is like a pop stars, do 0:07:40.076 --> 0:07:41.436 you know what I mean? Like she kind of exists 0:07:41.476 --> 0:07:44.316 in her on lane, and I really that's kind of 0:07:44.316 --> 0:07:46.556 what I'm working towards, is like I don't want to 0:07:46.596 --> 0:07:48.596 be perceived as like a pop girl. I just kind 0:07:48.596 --> 0:07:51.756 of want to be me like outside of that. But anyway, 0:07:51.796 --> 0:07:55.116 but back to gen show, Yeah, I mean, I just 0:07:55.356 --> 0:07:58.516 I love like weirdos in the music space, and I 0:07:58.556 --> 0:08:00.796 love like weirdo producers. 0:08:00.876 --> 0:08:02.716 I love weirdo. 0:08:02.476 --> 0:08:05.676 Artists, and I really try to like always like align 0:08:05.756 --> 0:08:08.876 myself with the weirdos because I think they pull. Because 0:08:08.876 --> 0:08:10.836 I feel like the weirdos are are the ones that 0:08:10.916 --> 0:08:12.076 are not afraid to take risks. 0:08:12.076 --> 0:08:12.996 They're not trying to like. 0:08:13.756 --> 0:08:16.756 Have you know, oh, what's been the thing that's working, 0:08:17.476 --> 0:08:20.036 and how can we make something that works like the 0:08:20.116 --> 0:08:22.516 thing that we know that's gonna work? Like they I 0:08:22.516 --> 0:08:25.996 feel like they're the people that are gonna make unpredictable choices. 0:08:26.036 --> 0:08:28.876 They're the people that are gonna, you know, drive the 0:08:29.476 --> 0:08:33.076 label people crazy because they're like, we know that this 0:08:33.196 --> 0:08:36.396 is weird. We know that this, you know, is like 0:08:37.116 --> 0:08:39.156 a leap from the stuff she's done before. And I 0:08:39.236 --> 0:08:43.476 like those people because they make me also bold enough 0:08:43.516 --> 0:08:45.996 to follow those instincts in myself. 0:08:46.076 --> 0:08:49.076 And that's when I feel happiest. I feel happiest. 0:08:48.636 --> 0:08:51.876 When like I make a song like you know, I 0:08:51.916 --> 0:08:53.596 love it or he knows where I feel like I've 0:08:53.596 --> 0:08:58.636 done something different and something that feels like I followed 0:08:58.716 --> 0:09:02.556 my curiosity than just like having a big song that 0:09:02.596 --> 0:09:03.596 doesn't like excite me. 0:09:03.836 --> 0:09:04.516 Does that make sense? 0:09:04.636 --> 0:09:07.356 Yeah, Like when when it's something that feels creatively fulfilling 0:09:07.516 --> 0:09:09.556 and it hits commercially totally. 0:09:09.596 --> 0:09:11.876 I mean, if it hits commercial, no complaints here. 0:09:12.276 --> 0:09:15.116 But I think if I had to pick one, I 0:09:15.396 --> 0:09:18.356 feel like I always feel better when it's when it 0:09:18.396 --> 0:09:20.476 feels like when I just feel proud of it. 0:09:20.636 --> 0:09:23.156 Yeah, yeah, so yeah, But I mean it felt in 0:09:23.236 --> 0:09:25.596 so many ways like the pop world was kind of 0:09:25.636 --> 0:09:28.916 just catching up to you anyways. You grew up your Cuban, 0:09:28.956 --> 0:09:31.476 your Mexican, you grew up in Miami, And it's been 0:09:31.556 --> 0:09:34.076 incredible to see over the last handful of years the 0:09:34.116 --> 0:09:37.516 way that like popular culture and pop music has has 0:09:37.556 --> 0:09:40.996 sort of enmeshed with like Latin culture and Latin music, 0:09:41.076 --> 0:09:44.836 particularly from the Caribbean. You know, es is so much 0:09:44.876 --> 0:09:49.676 of the sound of your early records, your earlier records, 0:09:50.756 --> 0:09:52.356 So it's like not only is it like a detour 0:09:52.436 --> 0:09:55.316 from what you've been doing, but it's like kind of 0:09:55.316 --> 0:09:59.036 like you're deviating also from where popular music is going, 0:09:59.116 --> 0:10:01.156 and popul music was like turning towards you. So it's 0:10:01.196 --> 0:10:05.316 like it's a really bold moves. It's it's really I 0:10:05.356 --> 0:10:07.796 don't know. It was really impressive to me listening to 0:10:07.836 --> 0:10:10.196 it that that's, yeah, where you're deciding to go. Now, 0:10:10.196 --> 0:10:11.156 this is where you're deciding to go. 0:10:11.436 --> 0:10:13.836 Well, I think I when I'm in the studio, I 0:10:13.876 --> 0:10:16.356 really am just like I'm writing for myself and I'm 0:10:16.436 --> 0:10:18.836 making music for myself. And if I'm just like, oh, 0:10:18.916 --> 0:10:22.276 this feels like you know, Havana Part three, then I 0:10:22.316 --> 0:10:25.796 feel like I get kind of bored, you know. And 0:10:25.876 --> 0:10:28.076 I also think like I feel like this was almost 0:10:28.116 --> 0:10:30.916 a new take on you know for me, like Havannah 0:10:31.036 --> 0:10:35.596 and drawing on those sounds from my culture was like 0:10:35.676 --> 0:10:38.116 me exploring those parts of myself at that time. And 0:10:38.156 --> 0:10:41.596 I also was like, Okay, what perspective do I have 0:10:41.676 --> 0:10:44.756 that nobody or other people don't, you know, And that 0:10:44.796 --> 0:10:47.876 felt fresh at the time, Like at that time, Havana 0:10:47.916 --> 0:10:51.036 was like whoa, Like this is like super weird because 0:10:51.076 --> 0:10:53.636 it has this kind of like Cuban you know, like 0:10:53.756 --> 0:10:55.756 done son piano, but it has like these eight O 0:10:55.836 --> 0:10:58.836 waights Like that was like fresh at that time. Now 0:10:58.876 --> 0:11:00.916 it's like like you said like it. 0:11:01.396 --> 0:11:02.356 We hear that. 0:11:02.356 --> 0:11:05.236 A lot, so it's kind of like, okay, like what's 0:11:05.596 --> 0:11:08.556 I'm just always like, okay, what haven't I heard that 0:11:08.556 --> 0:11:10.316 I would want to here? And I almost feel like 0:11:10.716 --> 0:11:14.876 this album feels like the other stuff was exploring kind 0:11:14.916 --> 0:11:19.516 of Latin culture, Cuban culture, you know, sometimes like the 0:11:19.716 --> 0:11:23.156 Mexican like Madiachi music on my last album, Familia, and 0:11:23.236 --> 0:11:26.196 this one is like more Miami, which I feel like 0:11:26.316 --> 0:11:30.316 is like, you know, it's like this melting pot of 0:11:30.356 --> 0:11:34.276 like you're driving around in Miami and you hear like afrobeat, 0:11:34.316 --> 0:11:36.556 you hear rigaton, you hear hip hop. 0:11:36.516 --> 0:11:40.916 You hear like a lot of these different things. 0:11:41.036 --> 0:11:43.596 You still live in Miami, right, Yeah, how do you 0:11:43.596 --> 0:11:46.836 experience Miami differently now from when you were a kid? 0:11:47.676 --> 0:11:49.436 I think I like it more now because I think 0:11:49.436 --> 0:11:51.916 when you grow up in a place, you always I 0:11:51.956 --> 0:11:55.316 feel like, just don't appreciate it. Yeah, right, just like 0:11:55.396 --> 0:12:00.076 this is boring, and I think living in other places 0:12:00.116 --> 0:12:03.676 and spending a lot of time in LA and spending 0:12:04.516 --> 0:12:06.676 not to hate on LA, but you know what I mean, 0:12:06.756 --> 0:12:12.956 like but a little bit, but that's up. You know what, though, 0:12:13.076 --> 0:12:15.076 it's different when it's your hometown because I get it 0:12:15.156 --> 0:12:17.276 very totally different experience when I'm. 0:12:17.076 --> 0:12:18.996 Here in Miami. In LA are very similar in the 0:12:18.996 --> 0:12:21.076 sense of like, people come to LA and I was like, 0:12:21.396 --> 0:12:24.676 that's wow, it's so flashy, it's so and then I 0:12:24.716 --> 0:12:25.156 go to i. 0:12:25.116 --> 0:12:27.676 Fla to Miami and I'm guilty, guilty, this is how 0:12:27.716 --> 0:12:28.316 people feel. 0:12:28.116 --> 0:12:29.596 Come to LA because all of a sudden, I'm like, what, 0:12:29.836 --> 0:12:32.436 like me too, I mean I came everywhere, come. 0:12:32.316 --> 0:12:34.356 To LA and I'm like, what, like, I don't feel 0:12:34.436 --> 0:12:36.476 like the real people like I don't feel. 0:12:36.476 --> 0:12:38.916 And and you probably the same one. People come to Miami. 0:12:38.916 --> 0:12:42.516 They're like, oh, you're at like Nikki Beach and I'm like, no, 0:12:42.596 --> 0:12:43.716 I've been there one time. 0:12:43.796 --> 0:12:46.316 That's not the experience I get in Miami. I think. 0:12:46.636 --> 0:12:50.636 I think, like, for example, like making this album in Miami, 0:12:50.756 --> 0:12:53.356 like when I'm in writing mode, I'm like, I was 0:12:53.356 --> 0:12:55.356 talking about this the other day. It's almost like you're 0:12:55.396 --> 0:12:58.996 just like looking at everything with like just extra attention, 0:12:59.676 --> 0:13:01.516 you know what I mean, and it makes you There's 0:13:01.556 --> 0:13:05.596 this quote that says something like, look at your city 0:13:05.596 --> 0:13:07.236 with the eyes of a tourist, like with the eyes 0:13:07.276 --> 0:13:10.356 of somebody that's like never there before. And I remember 0:13:10.476 --> 0:13:13.636 just I'm trying to say like more and like less 0:13:13.836 --> 0:13:15.836 in general and interviews because I feel like I say 0:13:15.916 --> 0:13:16.276 like a lot. 0:13:16.356 --> 0:13:16.756 Good luck. 0:13:16.916 --> 0:13:18.876 Yeah, I know, I say it's so much. 0:13:20.036 --> 0:13:22.116 I'm trying interview, so I'm happy you're doing. 0:13:22.236 --> 0:13:24.676 Oh no cursing is that's that'll be the last thing 0:13:24.716 --> 0:13:24.956 to go. 0:13:25.076 --> 0:13:28.036 But the likes, Damn, it's just like I just insert 0:13:28.116 --> 0:13:30.196 it instead of a pause, but I'll just pause. 0:13:30.436 --> 0:13:35.476 But anyway, Yeah, I feel like, fuck it whatever. 0:13:35.596 --> 0:13:39.156 I feel like I would just go into the studio 0:13:39.196 --> 0:13:42.276 and just kind of just and even be driving back 0:13:42.396 --> 0:13:45.196 at night and be like, Wow, these lights. You don't 0:13:45.196 --> 0:13:50.036 get this like specific shade of yellow and orange anywhere else. 0:13:50.156 --> 0:13:52.836 Or you don't get this kind of music. You don't get, 0:13:53.356 --> 0:13:57.236 you know, this kind of what they call Miami English. 0:13:57.316 --> 0:13:57.756 You know, the. 0:13:57.796 --> 0:14:01.796 Slang and the whatever anywhere else you don't get the 0:14:02.076 --> 0:14:05.116 you know, the the this look of the skyline you 0:14:05.156 --> 0:14:08.236 don't get you know. I was just really looking at 0:14:08.276 --> 0:14:11.276 it with extra attention, and I think looking at anything 0:14:11.316 --> 0:14:15.476 with extra attention, everything becomes more beautiful. Yeah, And I 0:14:15.476 --> 0:14:17.876 think that's kind of how I feel about Miami. I 0:14:17.956 --> 0:14:24.636 suddenly was looking at it for writing purposes, for research purposes, 0:14:24.676 --> 0:14:28.596 and you know, writing down everything that felt to me 0:14:30.676 --> 0:14:33.276 like you know, like representative of her. 0:14:33.476 --> 0:14:35.276 And is that part of your writing process as you're 0:14:35.316 --> 0:14:38.116 living your life and going around doing things, something strikes 0:14:38.116 --> 0:14:39.396 you in the moment. Yeah. 0:14:40.116 --> 0:14:42.356 Yeah, But I notice, for example, like right now, I'm 0:14:42.356 --> 0:14:46.756 in rehearsal mode, and so when I'm not in rehearsal, 0:14:46.836 --> 0:14:49.036 like I'll be like looking at the videos, or I'll 0:14:49.036 --> 0:14:52.316 be practicing, or I'll be whatever. And then writing time, 0:14:52.356 --> 0:14:55.436 when I'm like making an album is the time where 0:14:55.476 --> 0:14:58.156 I have the luxury of just being like I wake 0:14:58.236 --> 0:15:00.196 up in the morning and I you know, bring my 0:15:00.236 --> 0:15:02.276 iPad to like a coffee shop and I'll just like 0:15:02.596 --> 0:15:07.476 write down anything. If I had any kind of adventures 0:15:07.956 --> 0:15:09.916 that week or whatever, I'll just kind of write it 0:15:09.956 --> 0:15:12.236 down like a diary entry, or I'll just kind of 0:15:12.676 --> 0:15:15.076 be able to have the time to really take stock 0:15:15.156 --> 0:15:16.076 of everything. 0:15:15.716 --> 0:15:16.436 And write it down. 0:15:16.756 --> 0:15:20.276 But for example, like right now, it's like this whole 0:15:20.316 --> 0:15:23.396 phase of my life where I'm rehearsing, there could be 0:15:24.276 --> 0:15:26.156 tons of things I could be writing about if I 0:15:26.196 --> 0:15:26.956 was making an album. 0:15:26.996 --> 0:15:27.636 Does that make sense? 0:15:27.716 --> 0:15:29.556 Yeah, I'm going to ask a lot of just like 0:15:29.596 --> 0:15:35.396 weird because I'm obsessed with like the demands of being 0:15:35.876 --> 0:15:38.596 like a pop star, you know, and and I know 0:15:38.636 --> 0:15:41.916 you're feeling like and that's why. But it's like, because 0:15:42.236 --> 0:15:46.956 it's like it is a very unique lifestyle and unique 0:15:46.996 --> 0:15:49.436 from me. Even there's only a certain percentage of people 0:15:49.436 --> 0:15:51.036 in the world who are in the arts, and even 0:15:51.356 --> 0:15:53.356 smaller percentage of people who are in the arts and 0:15:53.556 --> 0:15:56.636 could be considered pop stars. So it's like, is there 0:15:56.716 --> 0:15:59.556 there Your life sort of is lived in phases necessarily, 0:16:00.076 --> 0:16:02.596 is there a phase of life that you yes, like 0:16:02.836 --> 0:16:06.756 more dislike the most? Like what were my writing phase? 0:16:06.876 --> 0:16:10.196 The writing phase is my favorite for me. But when I, 0:16:10.316 --> 0:16:13.756 for example, if we were in the studio for more 0:16:13.796 --> 0:16:15.396 than two weeks, I would need to take a break 0:16:15.436 --> 0:16:17.476 and then just live some life because I run out 0:16:17.516 --> 0:16:20.716 of things to say, you know, because I usually just 0:16:20.756 --> 0:16:25.476 have thoughts and ideas, and then I'm like, well, I 0:16:25.476 --> 0:16:26.876 don't have anything else to say because I've been in 0:16:26.876 --> 0:16:29.276 the studio with you motherfuckers for the last two weeks. 0:16:29.276 --> 0:16:32.076 So there's you know, I got to go and go 0:16:32.116 --> 0:16:34.836 on a date. I gotta go get on a fight 0:16:34.876 --> 0:16:38.036 with someone, and I get something because otherwise, you know, 0:16:38.236 --> 0:16:40.756 I think the buck stops here, So it usually is 0:16:40.876 --> 0:16:43.596 like for me, that's usually my favorite phase is like 0:16:43.636 --> 0:16:46.676 the year of like writing, and then you. 0:16:46.636 --> 0:16:49.516 Go take a few days off writing, take a few 0:16:49.556 --> 0:16:50.836 days off, come back writing. 0:16:51.156 --> 0:16:51.716 I'm back. Like. 0:16:51.876 --> 0:16:54.836 I love that because I also that's a time where 0:16:54.876 --> 0:16:57.996 I feel like I'm also when I'm writing, I'm devouring 0:16:59.356 --> 0:17:03.036 other forms of art as input. So I'm like reading 0:17:03.036 --> 0:17:05.396 a lot, listening to a lot of music, watching a 0:17:05.396 --> 0:17:09.436 lot of movies, even like going to see like physical 0:17:09.516 --> 0:17:12.356 art in museums because I feel like I benefit from 0:17:12.356 --> 0:17:14.756 a lot of input and then I get like newer 0:17:14.756 --> 0:17:15.996 and newer forms of output. 0:17:16.996 --> 0:17:19.036 After a quick break, we'll be back with more from 0:17:19.116 --> 0:17:27.276 Kamila Cabello. We're back with Kamila Cabello. What were you 0:17:27.316 --> 0:17:30.316 taking in like in the beginning stages of this album 0:17:30.396 --> 0:17:30.836 or throughout? 0:17:30.996 --> 0:17:32.716 Oh, I wrote it down on my iPad? Can I 0:17:32.716 --> 0:17:33.156 pull it out? 0:17:33.636 --> 0:17:34.436 Yeah? Incredible. 0:17:34.436 --> 0:17:36.476 Brought my iPad because I had it felt like, you know, 0:17:36.596 --> 0:17:39.476 if there's any podcasts that I can nerd out and 0:17:39.476 --> 0:17:43.236 bring my my trustee Patty, please, this is the iPad 0:17:43.836 --> 0:17:45.916 I wrote down like some of the books and like 0:17:45.956 --> 0:17:47.556 some of the references and stuff so these are the 0:17:47.556 --> 0:17:52.436 books that I read. Okay, so Joan Diddy and the 0:17:52.476 --> 0:17:53.036 White Album. 0:17:53.156 --> 0:17:54.356 Oh that's a great book. 0:17:54.396 --> 0:17:59.756 Great, great book, right, Candy House, Jennifer Egan, Bird by 0:17:59.796 --> 0:18:00.876 Bird by m LaMotte. 0:18:00.916 --> 0:18:02.476 Did you ever read that? It's about writing? 0:18:02.716 --> 0:18:04.316 Really? Yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out. I 0:18:04.356 --> 0:18:04.716 don't know it. 0:18:04.756 --> 0:18:08.836 Bird by Bird, My Year of Rest and Relaxation. Uh, 0:18:09.156 --> 0:18:11.116 Metamorphosis by Friends Friends. 0:18:10.876 --> 0:18:13.396 Kafka, Wow, you're reading some co I was. 0:18:13.356 --> 0:18:15.716 Reading some classics, but I was mostly reading. I was 0:18:15.716 --> 0:18:18.876 reading a lot of Sally Rooney. I was reading a 0:18:18.876 --> 0:18:21.156 lot of books by girls going through things in their 0:18:21.196 --> 0:18:24.316 twenties because I was like, I just love the like 0:18:24.396 --> 0:18:30.396 inner dialogue, and I wanted to have exactly exactly what 0:18:30.516 --> 0:18:36.996 else did I write down here? This poetry podcast poetryon Bound. 0:18:37.236 --> 0:18:39.556 But I love that podcast. It really has taught me 0:18:39.596 --> 0:18:40.076 so much. 0:18:41.956 --> 0:18:46.436 Oh, these are just like things like kind of guidelines 0:18:46.476 --> 0:18:47.436 of c xoxo. 0:18:47.876 --> 0:18:51.316 But what I don't know I want to hear that's. 0:18:53.116 --> 0:18:55.836 Well, this is just yeah, like this is just some stuff. 0:18:55.916 --> 0:18:59.276 Like I remember talking to my therapist a lot about this. 0:18:59.276 --> 0:19:03.276 This album kind of being about questions without answers, and 0:19:03.636 --> 0:19:08.156 you know that quote that's like uh Rainer Maria Rilka, 0:19:08.476 --> 0:19:10.956 that's like Livia Questions, where it's like letters to a 0:19:10.996 --> 0:19:12.636 young poet where he's like, but I don't. 0:19:12.436 --> 0:19:14.276 Know what to do, like do I do this with 0:19:14.316 --> 0:19:15.716 my life? Do I do this with my life? 0:19:15.756 --> 0:19:19.956 And he's like, don't wait until you know the answer, 0:19:20.076 --> 0:19:22.516