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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Camila Cabello is in the midst of a creative revival.

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Speaker 1: Her brand new album, c Xoxo was recently dubbed hyper

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Speaker 1: pop by Rolling Stone in the wake of the frenetic

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Speaker 1: first single I Love It featuring Playboy Carti. The track

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Speaker 1: is an entirely new direction for Camilla, who first rose

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Speaker 1: to fame in twenty twelve as a member of the

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Speaker 1: girl group Fifth Harmony. She's been a successful solo artist

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Speaker 1: for nearly a decade now, scoring Billboard hits with Havana

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Speaker 1: and Senorita, among others. On her new album, though, Camilla

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Speaker 1: is racing into uncharted territory with her sound. She enlisted

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Speaker 1: with Rosalia. Together they introduced a variety of new sounds

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Speaker 1: into Camila's orbit, including all the latest sounds in hip hop,

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Speaker 1: and the result is Camilla's edgiest album yet. On today's episode,

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Speaker 1: I talked to Kamila about the every particular set of

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Speaker 1: creative influences that inspired her new album, including a book

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Speaker 1: by Joan Didion. She also talks about having features from

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Speaker 1: Drake on a new album and why she wanted to

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Speaker 1: make music for Miami spring Breakers. This is broken record

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Speaker 1: liner notes for the Digital Age. I'm justin Mitchman. Here's

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Speaker 1: my conversation with Camilla like Abeo, taped live at the

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Speaker 1: Amazon Music Studios in Culver City. At what point during

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Speaker 1: like a new album sort of cycle, as you're creating

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Speaker 1: it and getting into going into market it, at what

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Speaker 2: I think this was an album that was really like

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Speaker 2: that kind of influenced the music. Like I remember, you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of putting together this Pinterest board of kind of

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Speaker 2: like what cx SO look like to me, And a

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Speaker 2: lot of it was what you're kind of going to

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Speaker 2: BMX culture in Miami and like the spring Breakers and

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Speaker 2: the kind of girls with the sche mass and it

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Speaker 2: being kind of like this kind of almost like girl

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Speaker 2: gang vibe and like the XOXO girls. Like I kind

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Speaker 2: of was thinking of that while we were in the studio,

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Speaker 2: So it's been pretty easy in that sense. It hasn't

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Speaker 2: been very like oh shit, what are we gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like this album kind of started as

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I feel like I've always been

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Speaker 2: always like how do I just make the best song,

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Speaker 2: thought of things as very just kind of like self

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Speaker 2: gotten older, the next level is having this kind of

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Speaker 2: obviously because that's so important to me, and and that's

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Speaker 2: like obviously, like I feel like the like my starting

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Speaker 1: Just like if that's the bedrock for.

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Speaker 3: D yeah, that's the bedrock for for everything.

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Speaker 1: But like, yeah, the songs for you clearly seem like

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Speaker 3: Have you heard it yet?

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Speaker 1: I have? I have, I have.

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Speaker 2: It's really good, really good and everything.

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Speaker 1: Well it's I'll say the first time I heard it

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Speaker 2: Love looking at other people's YouTube comments. Mine make me

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Speaker 3: Really fast card, but no, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is such a good like just like human experiment project,

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Speaker 1: And it was funny over time when that album first

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Speaker 2: It's so true like with my favorite artists too, like

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Speaker 1: And the one of the best albums and one of

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, But also even before hearing the album or the singles,

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Speaker 2: And I've never really been somebody who, like, I don't

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Speaker 2: So there's you know, I got to go and go

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Speaker 1: Kamila Cabello. We're back with Kamila Cabello. What were you

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Speaker 3: Oh, I wrote it down on my iPad? Can I

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Incredible.

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Speaker 2: Brought my iPad because I had it felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a great book.

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Speaker 2: Great, great book, right, Candy House, Jennifer Egan, Bird by

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Speaker 3: Did you ever read that? It's about writing?

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Speaker 1: Kafka, Wow, you're reading some co I was.

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Speaker 2: Reading some classics, but I was mostly reading. I was

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Speaker 3: But I love that podcast. It really has taught me

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the genesis of I Love It?

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Speaker 2: I don't know that one so good, but I was

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Speaker 3: I was like, let's just let's just go there.

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Speaker 2: because I usually that's how I write. It's like kind

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00:21:05,436 --> 00:21:08,516
Speaker 2: of like freestyle mumble and then kind of fill in

439
00:21:08,556 --> 00:21:12,356
Speaker 2: the words after cool. Yeah. And so then I saw

440
00:21:12,436 --> 00:21:14,836
Speaker 2: the guys and they were like, oh my god, and

441
00:21:14,836 --> 00:21:17,116
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I love it. And the auto

442
00:21:17,156 --> 00:21:19,676
Speaker 2: tune kind of did something and then I like kind

443
00:21:19,676 --> 00:21:21,876
Speaker 2: of kept singing it and they were like yeah, like

444
00:21:21,956 --> 00:21:24,276
Speaker 2: keep saying it whatever, and then that's how the chorus happened.

445
00:21:24,276 --> 00:21:28,476
Speaker 2: And then gin Cho put in that Lemonade sample right

446
00:21:28,836 --> 00:21:32,156
Speaker 2: because I think and I think he'll probably explain to

447
00:21:32,476 --> 00:21:34,396
Speaker 2: like where he was thinking about it, But we were

448
00:21:34,476 --> 00:21:36,716
Speaker 2: at that time, we were already like, this is a

449
00:21:36,756 --> 00:21:39,316
Speaker 2: Miami album, and we were thinking of like people from

450
00:21:39,356 --> 00:21:43,316
Speaker 2: Miami or Miami Transplants or spring Breakers and Gucci Mane

451
00:21:43,396 --> 00:21:47,916
Speaker 2: kind of yeah, like straddles both of those things, spring

452
00:21:47,956 --> 00:21:50,956
Speaker 2: Breakers and Miami Transplant and yep, yeah.

453
00:21:50,556 --> 00:21:54,276
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so literally the I was an aspect.

454
00:21:54,716 --> 00:21:55,836
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it, I love it. It was

455
00:21:55,876 --> 00:21:57,516
Speaker 1: just because they were kept telling you keep going on.

456
00:21:57,636 --> 00:22:00,356
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think but I think before I probably

457
00:22:00,516 --> 00:22:03,276
Speaker 2: before this album, I wouldn't have kept going with a

458
00:22:03,356 --> 00:22:06,036
Speaker 2: choice like that. I would have been like, no, you know,

459
00:22:06,156 --> 00:22:10,196
Speaker 2: this needs more words, right, And I think that you know,

460
00:22:10,276 --> 00:22:13,796
Speaker 2: in this album, one like listening to people like Cardi

461
00:22:13,876 --> 00:22:16,956
Speaker 2: where it is you know, it feels instinctive and visceral,

462
00:22:17,436 --> 00:22:23,116
Speaker 2: and then also learning that you know, repetition is also intentional.

463
00:22:23,356 --> 00:22:25,636
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it sounds like the feeling.

464
00:22:25,356 --> 00:22:26,996
Speaker 1: There's a power in a print, you know. It's that

465
00:22:26,996 --> 00:22:29,116
Speaker 1: Prince on Joy and repetition. There's like a joy or

466
00:22:29,316 --> 00:22:32,676
Speaker 1: power and and sometimes there's like a like all right,

467
00:22:32,836 --> 00:22:35,356
Speaker 1: you know, because that's the thing with repetition. I love it.

468
00:22:35,396 --> 00:22:37,276
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like cool. And then it's like

469
00:22:37,516 --> 00:22:39,756
Speaker 1: halfway through it's like kind of I'm kind of done

470
00:22:39,756 --> 00:22:40,116
Speaker 1: with this.

471
00:22:40,116 --> 00:22:42,396
Speaker 3: But then you change the note or something.

472
00:22:42,196 --> 00:22:44,036
Speaker 1: Something, or you just keep going and by the end

473
00:22:44,076 --> 00:22:45,276
Speaker 1: of you like, wait, I'm in Like.

474
00:22:45,276 --> 00:22:47,516
Speaker 3: This is incredibly Yes, it's so true.

475
00:22:47,596 --> 00:22:49,956
Speaker 1: There's a power, there's a there's a there's a there

476
00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:51,036
Speaker 1: really is a power in.

477
00:22:50,996 --> 00:22:54,956
Speaker 2: It because it hits your body differently. Yeah, every time you.

478
00:22:54,836 --> 00:22:56,676
Speaker 1: Say it, every time, every single time.

479
00:22:56,756 --> 00:22:56,956
Speaker 2: Yeah.

480
00:22:57,396 --> 00:22:59,396
Speaker 1: What are the ways in which because you worked with

481
00:22:59,516 --> 00:23:02,916
Speaker 1: Jasper Harris as well, Yes and el Gwen show, Yes,

482
00:23:02,996 --> 00:23:05,916
Speaker 1: what are the ways in which they kind of pushed

483
00:23:05,916 --> 00:23:07,476
Speaker 1: you or took you out of your comfort zone? Oh?

484
00:23:07,516 --> 00:23:09,956
Speaker 3: So much? That was they took me on my comfort zone.

485
00:23:10,356 --> 00:23:12,036
Speaker 3: The whole time. I was like, can y'all just leave

486
00:23:12,076 --> 00:23:13,116
Speaker 3: me in here for a second?

487
00:23:13,316 --> 00:23:16,516
Speaker 2: But no, I love that about them, And that's actually

488
00:23:16,596 --> 00:23:19,156
Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to work with them. And I

489
00:23:19,196 --> 00:23:23,916
Speaker 2: think That's why I probably really expanded my references. And

490
00:23:23,996 --> 00:23:26,756
Speaker 2: if I would show up and be like, oh, like

491
00:23:26,956 --> 00:23:29,476
Speaker 2: I love this song, then they would show me, you know,

492
00:23:29,636 --> 00:23:32,396
Speaker 2: eight more kind of underground songs that I didn't know.

493
00:23:33,156 --> 00:23:34,436
Speaker 3: And I feel like.

494
00:23:34,436 --> 00:23:40,596
Speaker 2: That really yeah, just kind of like it expanded, you know,

495
00:23:40,756 --> 00:23:43,596
Speaker 2: my kind of input folder.

496
00:23:44,596 --> 00:23:46,476
Speaker 1: And are there any of the names that like they

497
00:23:46,516 --> 00:23:48,076
Speaker 1: shared with you that are on there totally?

498
00:23:48,116 --> 00:23:50,636
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think I've really listened to they

499
00:23:50,676 --> 00:23:54,156
Speaker 2: are like, we're massive, massive Cardi fans, Like they talked

500
00:23:54,196 --> 00:23:56,676
Speaker 2: about Cardi so so much, and I think that made me, like,

501
00:23:57,596 --> 00:24:00,556
Speaker 2: then I started listening to him more. And like, you know,

502
00:24:00,996 --> 00:24:05,196
Speaker 2: uh Im Triplin, Pabula showed me Im Triplin. I mean,

503
00:24:05,396 --> 00:24:08,636
Speaker 2: so many people, even like ethel Kine Jasper showed me.

504
00:24:09,836 --> 00:24:11,796
Speaker 2: They showed me a lot of, like I feel like,

505
00:24:11,876 --> 00:24:15,116
Speaker 2: amazing artists and amazing songs. For example, I remember this

506
00:24:15,156 --> 00:24:17,836
Speaker 2: one song Dreamgirls, like we were in the Bahamas.

507
00:24:17,876 --> 00:24:19,596
Speaker 3: We went to Bahamas.

508
00:24:19,076 --> 00:24:21,876
Speaker 1: And and jazz yes wow.

509
00:24:22,956 --> 00:24:29,316
Speaker 2: And literally we were just we just barely saw the sunlight,

510
00:24:29,436 --> 00:24:31,676
Speaker 2: like we were just in the studio the whole time.

511
00:24:33,596 --> 00:24:35,676
Speaker 3: I was so tired by the time we left. It

512
00:24:35,716 --> 00:24:37,516
Speaker 3: was so much but we got a.

513
00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:40,996
Speaker 2: Lot of the album done there, but anyway that this

514
00:24:41,156 --> 00:24:45,396
Speaker 2: was after like Chanel number five and a lot of

515
00:24:45,436 --> 00:24:49,476
Speaker 2: the I feel like thesis, which Chanel number five I

516
00:24:49,476 --> 00:24:51,996
Speaker 2: consider kind of like the thesis statement, like the centerpiece

517
00:24:52,596 --> 00:24:56,436
Speaker 2: of the table that is cxoxo. And for example, like

518
00:24:56,556 --> 00:25:00,036
Speaker 2: we were we were working on dream Girls in the Bahamas,

519
00:25:00,076 --> 00:25:02,436
Speaker 2: and you know, I would do like I would write

520
00:25:02,996 --> 00:25:06,076
Speaker 2: the verse or whatever, and they'd be like, yeah, like

521
00:25:06,156 --> 00:25:10,076
Speaker 2: it's it's good, but I feel like it's like I

522
00:25:10,116 --> 00:25:12,916
Speaker 2: don't know, it's like Chanelle number five, like you did that,

523
00:25:13,396 --> 00:25:15,916
Speaker 2: you know, like I feel like there's like this bar now.

524
00:25:16,076 --> 00:25:18,796
Speaker 3: And I did like maybe three more.

525
00:25:18,716 --> 00:25:21,396
Speaker 2: Versions of verses, and I was like at some point

526
00:25:21,436 --> 00:25:23,196
Speaker 2: I was like they were just hating, like what do

527
00:25:23,316 --> 00:25:27,276
Speaker 2: they want from it? But they were right, they were right,

528
00:25:27,436 --> 00:25:31,396
Speaker 2: and I you know, I I pushed myself and I

529
00:25:31,516 --> 00:25:33,956
Speaker 2: got the verse that I got like out of dream

530
00:25:33,996 --> 00:25:39,316
Speaker 2: Girls because I feel like they are consistently challenging me

531
00:25:39,596 --> 00:25:43,036
Speaker 2: and pushing me to be like it's good, but it's

532
00:25:43,116 --> 00:25:46,316
Speaker 2: not excellent. Right, Everybody needs people like that, you know,

533
00:25:46,476 --> 00:25:49,556
Speaker 2: Like that's like that kind of we constantly had that

534
00:25:49,716 --> 00:25:54,276
Speaker 2: creative tension where we were always you know, getting into

535
00:25:54,636 --> 00:25:59,316
Speaker 2: little things, but in a good way because I think

536
00:25:59,356 --> 00:26:04,436
Speaker 2: it really it constantly pushed me to be better. And

537
00:26:04,476 --> 00:26:05,916
Speaker 2: I you know, I tell them this all the time,

538
00:26:05,916 --> 00:26:07,876
Speaker 2: Like I was, like, you guys have made me a

539
00:26:07,916 --> 00:26:11,116
Speaker 2: better writer and a better art artists and you know.

540
00:26:11,236 --> 00:26:13,156
Speaker 1: Had a typical way of working in the studio free before.

541
00:26:13,156 --> 00:26:15,556
Speaker 1: Like would you have those kinds of dust ups with

542
00:26:15,556 --> 00:26:18,396
Speaker 1: with collaborators, producers, writers in the past.

543
00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:21,276
Speaker 3: I did with like I did with Frank for sure.

544
00:26:21,556 --> 00:26:26,436
Speaker 2: Like I think that that push and pull is it's

545
00:26:26,476 --> 00:26:31,196
Speaker 2: important because it's so easy for things to just be Yeah,

546
00:26:31,316 --> 00:26:33,236
Speaker 2: and it can happen even with yourself. I can it

547
00:26:33,236 --> 00:26:35,556
Speaker 2: can happen with myself where I can be like I

548
00:26:35,636 --> 00:26:37,556
Speaker 2: like that melody. That melody is cool, and this lyric

549
00:26:37,676 --> 00:26:38,916
Speaker 2: is cool, and that's a cool and that's.

550
00:26:38,836 --> 00:26:39,836
Speaker 3: A cool song. I like it.

551
00:26:40,476 --> 00:26:42,476
Speaker 2: And it's easy to just put out things that are

552
00:26:43,116 --> 00:26:45,236
Speaker 2: just cool. And I've done it, you know what I mean.

553
00:26:45,316 --> 00:26:47,836
Speaker 2: But it's not a business for them. There really are

554
00:26:48,236 --> 00:26:53,436
Speaker 2: about craftsmanship and about respecting the craft and the integrity

555
00:26:53,476 --> 00:26:55,516
Speaker 2: of a project and the integrity of things.

556
00:26:55,556 --> 00:26:58,836
Speaker 3: And they're real artists, they really are, both of them.

557
00:26:59,036 --> 00:27:01,916
Speaker 2: And yeah, they really I'm I think the thing that

558
00:27:01,916 --> 00:27:05,036
Speaker 2: I'm the most thankful for for this project is how

559
00:27:05,116 --> 00:27:08,676
Speaker 2: much I feel like it leveled. It made me step

560
00:27:08,716 --> 00:27:10,036
Speaker 2: my game up as a writer.

561
00:27:11,556 --> 00:27:11,876
Speaker 1: Confident.

562
00:27:12,636 --> 00:27:16,716
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, yeah totally. I just feel like

563
00:27:16,716 --> 00:27:18,756
Speaker 2: I learned so much. I feel like it was a

564
00:27:18,756 --> 00:27:21,956
Speaker 2: boot camp for me. And I think, you know, when

565
00:27:21,996 --> 00:27:24,476
Speaker 2: I listened to even now, because I'm in rehearsals and

566
00:27:24,516 --> 00:27:28,236
Speaker 2: I'm listening to older songs and whatever, I'm like, I

567
00:27:28,276 --> 00:27:31,996
Speaker 2: can see, for example, where oh this line could have

568
00:27:31,996 --> 00:27:33,956
Speaker 2: been tweaked or this could could have been better on

569
00:27:33,996 --> 00:27:36,556
Speaker 2: old songs based on what I know now, because I

570
00:27:36,596 --> 00:27:40,676
Speaker 2: think before, I think I was just following instincts and

571
00:27:41,476 --> 00:27:44,316
Speaker 2: doing the best with whatever instincts I had at that moment.

572
00:27:44,356 --> 00:27:49,116
Speaker 2: But now I feel like I've have guide guidelines for

573
00:27:49,276 --> 00:27:50,396
Speaker 2: what I think is cool.

574
00:27:50,756 --> 00:27:52,356
Speaker 1: Can I tell you some of that please?

575
00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:54,676
Speaker 3: And I was just thinking, I was just thinking out loud.

576
00:27:54,716 --> 00:27:56,516
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like I became a big

577
00:27:56,556 --> 00:27:58,796
Speaker 2: fan of just like Show Don't Tell.

578
00:27:59,716 --> 00:28:02,076
Speaker 1: Show Don't Tell. How do you think that comes up

579
00:28:02,076 --> 00:28:02,916
Speaker 1: in the album.

580
00:28:02,836 --> 00:28:08,276
Speaker 2: Like instead of being like, instead of being like he's

581
00:28:08,316 --> 00:28:11,076
Speaker 2: so obsessed with me, it's like fold for me, Like

582
00:28:11,116 --> 00:28:13,756
Speaker 2: Origami Oh does that make sense?

583
00:28:13,836 --> 00:28:15,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a way better line.

584
00:28:15,876 --> 00:28:16,596
Speaker 3: Is way better line.

585
00:28:16,596 --> 00:28:18,516
Speaker 2: But I hope that didn't sound doesn't sound obnoxious because

586
00:28:18,556 --> 00:28:21,116
Speaker 2: I have what I'm saying is I before I probably

587
00:28:21,116 --> 00:28:24,636
Speaker 2: would have said things like something said and more tried

588
00:28:24,676 --> 00:28:28,116
Speaker 2: to be like. I follow this Instagram account called the

589
00:28:28,116 --> 00:28:32,036
Speaker 2: Paris Review, and I think Greta Gerwig said something like

590
00:28:32,036 --> 00:28:34,116
Speaker 2: the only way to make something universal is like to

591
00:28:34,156 --> 00:28:35,556
Speaker 2: make it as specific as possible.

592
00:28:35,676 --> 00:28:39,476
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and it's right, yes, absolutely.

593
00:28:38,956 --> 00:28:41,596
Speaker 2: And it's like Taylor has been saying that for such

594
00:28:41,596 --> 00:28:44,596
Speaker 2: a long time and rappers have been doing that for

595
00:28:44,636 --> 00:28:45,996
Speaker 2: such a long time, where it's like, you know, and

596
00:28:47,276 --> 00:28:49,396
Speaker 2: ginshow is like a huge hip hop head, so he

597
00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:51,676
Speaker 2: would always tell me, you know, I would come in

598
00:28:51,716 --> 00:28:54,956
Speaker 2: with my perspective of like probably more pop songwriting, which

599
00:28:54,996 --> 00:28:57,716
Speaker 2: is like the beginning of the story, middle of the story,

600
00:28:57,756 --> 00:28:59,116
Speaker 2: end of the story, and he'd be like, you know,

601
00:28:59,116 --> 00:29:01,076
Speaker 2: in rap songs, it's like you're in this scene and

602
00:29:01,076 --> 00:29:02,556
Speaker 2: now you're in the car, and now you're in the bar,

603
00:29:02,836 --> 00:29:05,036
Speaker 2: and now you're here and now you know, there's a

604
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:07,676
Speaker 2: glass and now there's shoes and the shoes are beige,

605
00:29:07,676 --> 00:29:11,956
Speaker 2: and now there's like it's like all sensory and colors

606
00:29:12,036 --> 00:29:14,396
Speaker 2: and painting all of these different pictures where it's like

607
00:29:14,436 --> 00:29:16,676
Speaker 2: a movie that you can see in your head and

608
00:29:16,716 --> 00:29:21,436
Speaker 2: like these flash cuts. And I learned so much from that,

609
00:29:21,516 --> 00:29:24,836
Speaker 2: and I learned so much from rappers and.

610
00:29:25,036 --> 00:29:26,756
Speaker 3: Hip hop and the way that I saw.

611
00:29:28,156 --> 00:29:31,836
Speaker 2: Jay Z said something that Sizza reposted yesterday, which is like,

612
00:29:32,236 --> 00:29:35,876
Speaker 2: you know when people are like, I don't know, like

613
00:29:35,916 --> 00:29:38,316
Speaker 2: Paul McCartney is one of the greatest writers of all time.

614
00:29:38,396 --> 00:29:41,276
Speaker 2: I think Biggie Smalls is too, you know where it's

615
00:29:41,356 --> 00:29:41,676
Speaker 2: like the.

616
00:29:41,996 --> 00:29:43,396
Speaker 1: I think Paul would probably agree with that.

617
00:29:43,516 --> 00:29:45,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, totally. I don't even think he said Paul mcartny.

618
00:29:45,556 --> 00:29:46,956
Speaker 2: I think he said somebody else, but I can't remember.

619
00:29:47,836 --> 00:29:50,276
Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, just like the it's like it's

620
00:29:50,316 --> 00:29:55,836
Speaker 2: like poetry, and because poetry is so sensory and visual.

621
00:29:55,436 --> 00:29:58,716
Speaker 3: And I don't think I was conscious of that before.

622
00:29:58,836 --> 00:30:01,756
Speaker 2: I think, like, coincidentally, my favorite songs that I've ever

623
00:30:01,796 --> 00:30:05,236
Speaker 2: done before, like first Man from a from a writing perspective,

624
00:30:05,236 --> 00:30:08,596
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so proud of that song thank You, or.

625
00:30:08,676 --> 00:30:10,276
Speaker 3: Used to This that I did with Phineas.

626
00:30:10,556 --> 00:30:14,876
Speaker 2: There's like they're very specific and like the callouses on

627
00:30:14,916 --> 00:30:16,996
Speaker 2: your fingers. Like every time, I was like, this is

628
00:30:16,996 --> 00:30:17,996
Speaker 2: one of my favorite songs.

629
00:30:18,036 --> 00:30:18,676
Speaker 3: I did that.

630
00:30:18,676 --> 00:30:20,396
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, that's a great line too.

631
00:30:20,436 --> 00:30:22,556
Speaker 1: There's calases on your finger and I forget how long ago,

632
00:30:22,876 --> 00:30:24,556
Speaker 1: and now I feel them on my face and yeah.

633
00:30:24,396 --> 00:30:26,236
Speaker 2: And I admire them from a distance. Now they're on

634
00:30:26,276 --> 00:30:28,756
Speaker 2: my cheeks. And I think Phineas and Billy do that

635
00:30:28,836 --> 00:30:31,116
Speaker 2: a lot too. But I think this album, I was

636
00:30:31,196 --> 00:30:35,316
Speaker 2: really like, this is what I like this, this is

637
00:30:35,316 --> 00:30:35,676
Speaker 2: my ship.

638
00:30:36,036 --> 00:30:40,316
Speaker 3: Sally Rooney does it, Joan Didion does it, and I

639
00:30:40,436 --> 00:30:42,596
Speaker 3: and and and I.

640
00:30:42,596 --> 00:30:44,436
Speaker 2: I just yeah, I was like, this is the show.

641
00:30:44,476 --> 00:30:48,236
Speaker 2: Don't tell album. I don't want to do these universal statements.

642
00:30:48,236 --> 00:30:50,156
Speaker 2: I wanted to be as sensory as possible, which is

643
00:30:50,156 --> 00:30:53,236
Speaker 2: why I think Chanel number five is my favorite song

644
00:30:53,276 --> 00:30:55,156
Speaker 2: that I've that I've written, because I feel like it

645
00:30:55,276 --> 00:30:59,036
Speaker 2: is written from that kind of like rap perspective where

646
00:30:59,076 --> 00:31:01,956
Speaker 2: it's just like, oh, Makassi shabari whoop.

647
00:31:04,716 --> 00:31:07,516
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's like all these different pictures.

648
00:31:08,076 --> 00:31:10,076
Speaker 1: No. So that's so that's why that's like the mission

649
00:31:10,076 --> 00:31:12,236
Speaker 1: statement of the album for you, Shanela.

650
00:31:12,876 --> 00:31:15,396
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like it's like it has I

651
00:31:15,436 --> 00:31:17,276
Speaker 2: feel like all of my tastes and all the things

652
00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:20,196
Speaker 2: I like coming together, which is like this like kind

653
00:31:20,196 --> 00:31:25,036
Speaker 2: of whimsical, alternative, weird thing and then like hip hop.

654
00:31:25,236 --> 00:31:26,276
Speaker 3: Yeah, in one song.

655
00:31:26,316 --> 00:31:28,796
Speaker 1: Are there were there other kind of guide guidelines you

656
00:31:28,916 --> 00:31:29,436
Speaker 1: kind of wanted?

657
00:31:29,916 --> 00:31:33,076
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like show Don't Tell was one, right,

658
00:31:33,436 --> 00:31:35,316
Speaker 2: I think the sensory thing was big.

659
00:31:35,996 --> 00:31:38,596
Speaker 1: There really is a visceralness like to that to the album,

660
00:31:38,756 --> 00:31:41,716
Speaker 1: and and it's you know what's funny has I hadn't

661
00:31:41,756 --> 00:31:44,116
Speaker 1: really thought about it, but you know, we always talk

662
00:31:44,156 --> 00:31:47,156
Speaker 1: about like the album and then the visuals, and then

663
00:31:47,196 --> 00:31:49,876
Speaker 1: we think about them as these I think because there

664
00:31:49,876 --> 00:31:52,836
Speaker 1: are visuals and going back to MTV or whatever, there's

665
00:31:52,996 --> 00:31:56,516
Speaker 1: there's always visuals. You can rely on the video to

666
00:31:56,636 --> 00:32:00,476
Speaker 1: provide the like this is what what this is, how

667
00:32:00,596 --> 00:32:02,276
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. This is how you should see the song,

668
00:32:02,636 --> 00:32:05,916
Speaker 1: you know. But what is cool about this album is

669
00:32:05,916 --> 00:32:08,956
Speaker 1: like you're able to see the song before you see

670
00:32:08,956 --> 00:32:09,756
Speaker 1: a visuals. You know.

671
00:32:10,636 --> 00:32:13,636
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that I was listening to so much rap,

672
00:32:14,116 --> 00:32:19,276
Speaker 2: and I think that that probably influenced because I love

673
00:32:20,276 --> 00:32:22,996
Speaker 2: melodies and I love like pop melodies, like I love

674
00:32:23,076 --> 00:32:26,556
Speaker 2: like a I love a melody but I do feel

675
00:32:26,556 --> 00:32:28,676
Speaker 2: like I love when a rap song comes out and

676
00:32:28,716 --> 00:32:31,236
Speaker 2: I like go on genius and have to be like,

677
00:32:31,436 --> 00:32:31,956
Speaker 2: what is this?

678
00:32:32,076 --> 00:32:32,476
Speaker 3: What is this?

679
00:32:32,556 --> 00:32:36,596
Speaker 2: They just there's like so many things, like tangible things.

680
00:32:36,836 --> 00:32:38,556
Speaker 1: Were you were you like a big hip hop fan

681
00:32:38,636 --> 00:32:41,036
Speaker 1: growing up or not as much I was.

682
00:32:41,236 --> 00:32:45,436
Speaker 2: But I think I leaned into it more for this

683
00:32:45,516 --> 00:32:50,516
Speaker 2: album because also gin Show and Jasper.

684
00:32:50,196 --> 00:32:51,956
Speaker 3: Were showing me so many more things too.

685
00:32:52,156 --> 00:32:53,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

686
00:32:55,156 --> 00:32:57,996
Speaker 2: We I think when you're making an album with people,

687
00:32:58,716 --> 00:33:01,476
Speaker 2: you kind of obviously it's like it's you, but you're

688
00:33:01,516 --> 00:33:05,036
Speaker 2: also in the room with these people like ten hours

689
00:33:05,076 --> 00:33:06,956
Speaker 2: a day, and you're gonna be talking about your favorite

690
00:33:06,956 --> 00:33:10,516
Speaker 2: songs and wherever there's overlapt you know, Like I feel

691
00:33:10,516 --> 00:33:14,196
Speaker 2: like they're such huge like hip hop and rap lovers.

692
00:33:14,236 --> 00:33:17,196
Speaker 3: Like I think we kind of like that's what we.

693
00:33:17,316 --> 00:33:20,516
Speaker 1: Your love, your love of melody, their sort of sense

694
00:33:20,556 --> 00:33:23,636
Speaker 1: of like really like deep love of knowledge of hip hop,

695
00:33:24,156 --> 00:33:25,196
Speaker 1: kind of blending those.

696
00:33:24,996 --> 00:33:26,196
Speaker 3: Two exactly totally.

697
00:33:26,236 --> 00:33:30,676
Speaker 1: It's amazing, totally talking about your love of hip hop

698
00:33:30,716 --> 00:33:34,756
Speaker 1: going on genius. Drake is on two songs on the album. Yes,

699
00:33:35,476 --> 00:33:37,356
Speaker 1: but how we feel about this Drake, what I mean

700
00:33:37,436 --> 00:33:39,836
Speaker 1: Drake is kind of it's going through hard time right now.

701
00:33:39,876 --> 00:33:43,596
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I obviously have huge respect for both

702
00:33:43,636 --> 00:33:47,276
Speaker 2: of them, but I also something that's really important to

703
00:33:47,356 --> 00:33:51,476
Speaker 2: me and my friendships and as a value is is

704
00:33:51,716 --> 00:33:55,596
Speaker 2: loyalty and also and speaking the truth about people that

705
00:33:55,676 --> 00:34:00,796
Speaker 2: you know. And I really will talk all day about

706
00:34:00,836 --> 00:34:04,876
Speaker 2: how generous he was to work with, like throughout this

707
00:34:04,916 --> 00:34:10,756
Speaker 2: whole process, how much he really is like a true

708
00:34:11,356 --> 00:34:15,636
Speaker 2: music lover who was like, oh, like, you know, I

709
00:34:15,676 --> 00:34:17,716
Speaker 2: want to like hear your album, and I want to

710
00:34:17,716 --> 00:34:19,556
Speaker 2: see the video, and I want to contribute something and

711
00:34:19,596 --> 00:34:21,996
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about what you're doing and I and

712
00:34:22,116 --> 00:34:25,716
Speaker 2: genuinely like, you know, does not need anything from me,

713
00:34:26,276 --> 00:34:28,796
Speaker 2: but was is I feel like always you know, puts

714
00:34:28,836 --> 00:34:32,316
Speaker 2: other people on. So I DMed him. I was like, hey,

715
00:34:32,356 --> 00:34:34,076
Speaker 2: I would love to play my album. He was like,

716
00:34:34,156 --> 00:34:35,436
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear it, and.

717
00:34:37,236 --> 00:34:37,516
Speaker 3: Yeah.

718
00:34:37,556 --> 00:34:40,556
Speaker 2: So then we met up and I played in my

719
00:34:40,596 --> 00:34:42,596
Speaker 2: album and it was kind of like a little bit

720
00:34:42,596 --> 00:34:44,636
Speaker 2: more in the rough stages, but I played him number five,

721
00:34:44,836 --> 00:34:47,756
Speaker 2: I played I Love It, I played him twenty somethings,

722
00:34:48,476 --> 00:34:51,716
Speaker 2: and he played me some of for all the Dogs Wow,

723
00:34:52,756 --> 00:34:54,956
Speaker 2: And I was like, I remember having this moment where

724
00:34:54,996 --> 00:34:57,636
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, this is crazy because I listened

725
00:34:57,676 --> 00:34:59,436
Speaker 2: to Drake before I was even.

726
00:35:00,596 --> 00:35:03,516
Speaker 3: Famous or whatever. Famous is a lame word, but you

727
00:35:03,516 --> 00:35:03,676
Speaker 3: know what.

728
00:35:03,676 --> 00:35:06,716
Speaker 1: I mean, Yeah, you got famous young. I mean yeah,

729
00:35:06,756 --> 00:35:12,396
Speaker 1: before you were famous. Yeah that's that's your truth.

730
00:35:13,916 --> 00:35:16,036
Speaker 2: So anyway, so yeah, then I think it was like

731
00:35:16,036 --> 00:35:19,916
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later he sent me this kind

732
00:35:19,916 --> 00:35:23,196
Speaker 2: of demo, this hot up town, and he.

733
00:35:23,236 --> 00:35:24,596
Speaker 3: Was like, what do you think about this? I like,

734
00:35:24,636 --> 00:35:26,036
Speaker 3: I kind of think this could be sick. And I

735
00:35:26,076 --> 00:35:27,716
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I love it.

736
00:35:27,756 --> 00:35:30,836
Speaker 2: And I went into the studio with Pablo in Miami

737
00:35:31,396 --> 00:35:33,796
Speaker 2: and I was like, I am not wasting any time.

738
00:35:34,596 --> 00:35:39,036
Speaker 3: And I wrote my parts like whatever.

739
00:35:38,956 --> 00:35:43,796
Speaker 2: And then we kind of cut back and forth to

740
00:35:44,076 --> 00:35:47,196
Speaker 2: make it sound like a duet and sent it to

741
00:35:47,276 --> 00:35:53,036
Speaker 2: him and he was like hard and all caps, and

742
00:35:53,076 --> 00:35:53,476
Speaker 2: I was like.

743
00:35:54,636 --> 00:35:58,596
Speaker 1: Did it? Did it? Had? That must have been kind

744
00:35:58,636 --> 00:36:01,476
Speaker 1: of big for guin show too, like I'd imagine that's it.

745
00:36:02,436 --> 00:36:07,516
Speaker 2: And and Jazpers like the biggest drap Like we're always like, well,

746
00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:08,596
Speaker 2: he's the best.

747
00:36:08,316 --> 00:36:10,036
Speaker 1: Like he's got did you can Jasper? Because I'm not

748
00:36:10,076 --> 00:36:10,836
Speaker 1: super familiar with.

749
00:36:10,876 --> 00:36:16,436
Speaker 3: Them, but I know Jasper is they're both fucking geniuses.

750
00:36:16,516 --> 00:36:22,356
Speaker 2: Like they're just insane, and Jasper is it's really rare

751
00:36:22,396 --> 00:36:25,916
Speaker 2: to find producers like both of them, and I'm lucky

752
00:36:25,956 --> 00:36:30,556
Speaker 2: I got two where it's their taste. It's not even

753
00:36:30,556 --> 00:36:33,396
Speaker 2: that they're just musically talented and that they you'll be

754
00:36:33,596 --> 00:36:35,796
Speaker 2: talking about an idea and they will pick the right

755
00:36:36,316 --> 00:36:39,196
Speaker 2: pick the best chords, which Jasper does. But it's also

756
00:36:39,556 --> 00:36:42,916
Speaker 2: he sees like a larger vision and he sees, you know, oh,

757
00:36:42,996 --> 00:36:46,076
Speaker 2: this flow would be so sick, and like this person

758
00:36:46,076 --> 00:36:51,796
Speaker 2: would be so sick on that song and.

759
00:36:50,156 --> 00:36:51,956
Speaker 3: This texture and whatever.

760
00:36:52,116 --> 00:36:55,716
Speaker 2: Like his taste level is just amazing, and he's always

761
00:36:55,756 --> 00:36:58,676
Speaker 2: putting me onto new music too. He's always talking about McGee.

762
00:36:59,236 --> 00:37:02,436
Speaker 2: I don't know what McGhee, he's always that's that's his latest.

763
00:37:02,716 --> 00:37:04,436
Speaker 1: So Gwen Show was first, and then Jasper.

764
00:37:04,636 --> 00:37:09,036
Speaker 2: Yeah, Green Show was first, and yeah, he was act

765
00:37:09,316 --> 00:37:13,156
Speaker 2: the first producer that I reached out to for this project.

766
00:37:13,516 --> 00:37:17,236
Speaker 2: And yeah, and so we did like a few songs

767
00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:19,876
Speaker 2: and then we I think I worked with maybe a

768
00:37:19,916 --> 00:37:23,596
Speaker 2: couple more people, and then I was like, no, Green

769
00:37:23,676 --> 00:37:24,156
Speaker 2: Show is it?

770
00:37:24,316 --> 00:37:24,796
Speaker 3: Green Show?

771
00:37:24,876 --> 00:37:26,916
Speaker 1: Is it? Well? It's interesting too because I feel like

772
00:37:26,916 --> 00:37:29,196
Speaker 1: Familia was the first time, I mean, you worked with

773
00:37:29,196 --> 00:37:32,356
Speaker 1: Frank Duke's a lot. But I feel like Ricky Reid

774
00:37:32,436 --> 00:37:35,036
Speaker 1: on Familia was like the first time seemed like you

775
00:37:35,156 --> 00:37:37,956
Speaker 1: like really bunkered down with someone and like was like,

776
00:37:38,076 --> 00:37:40,036
Speaker 1: we're going to do this like one to one, you know.

777
00:37:40,036 --> 00:37:42,836
Speaker 1: I mean there's more people involved in that record, yes, yeah.

778
00:37:42,676 --> 00:37:43,116
Speaker 3: One hundred.

779
00:37:43,516 --> 00:37:46,156
Speaker 2: I think with Frank it was like me and him.

780
00:37:46,396 --> 00:37:48,916
Speaker 2: But I was so it was my first album, so

781
00:37:48,996 --> 00:37:51,716
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, like I had, you know,

782
00:37:51,836 --> 00:37:56,156
Speaker 2: the most imposter syndrome, and I was like, well, we

783
00:37:56,276 --> 00:38:01,076
Speaker 2: must have the best people in town to help, you know.

784
00:38:01,276 --> 00:38:03,996
Speaker 2: And I think the second album it was like that

785
00:38:04,076 --> 00:38:05,596
Speaker 2: but a little bit less. And then I think the

786
00:38:05,636 --> 00:38:09,716
Speaker 2: third album familiar. I was like, you know, I want

787
00:38:09,716 --> 00:38:12,396
Speaker 2: to do this with a small group of people, like

788
00:38:12,596 --> 00:38:15,036
Speaker 2: we can do it and it feels better. And and

789
00:38:15,076 --> 00:38:17,676
Speaker 2: I think for me, like writing is so you know,

790
00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:20,996
Speaker 2: I'm just like I'm sensitive and I just can't open

791
00:38:21,076 --> 00:38:24,036
Speaker 2: up if it's like somebody I don't know, like I

792
00:38:24,316 --> 00:38:24,636
Speaker 2: saw it.

793
00:38:24,876 --> 00:38:25,956
Speaker 3: I had to kick someone out.

794
00:38:26,076 --> 00:38:27,636
Speaker 1: You did you kicked something? We won't to say who.

795
00:38:27,716 --> 00:38:28,396
Speaker 1: You kicked someone out.

796
00:38:28,476 --> 00:38:32,116
Speaker 3: I don't know his name, but you know, like.

797
00:38:33,636 --> 00:38:37,156
Speaker 2: And so even like if I can't be like vulnerable

798
00:38:37,156 --> 00:38:40,316
Speaker 2: and intimate in my writing. If it's like my first

799
00:38:40,396 --> 00:38:43,116
Speaker 2: day meeting you. That's why I think. I think that

800
00:38:43,396 --> 00:38:45,356
Speaker 2: is also something I've learned, like from now on, it's

801
00:38:45,396 --> 00:38:46,596
Speaker 2: always going to have to be.

802
00:38:48,236 --> 00:38:48,996
Speaker 3: The same.

803
00:38:50,276 --> 00:38:53,276
Speaker 2: Small, tiny family for an album, because otherwise I just

804
00:38:53,276 --> 00:38:55,036
Speaker 2: can't open up. And there were even some songs here

805
00:38:55,076 --> 00:38:59,076
Speaker 2: that I would kick, you know, I would kick Pablo

806
00:38:59,076 --> 00:39:01,516
Speaker 2: and jazz Bro Yeah, you know, like I like twenty

807
00:39:01,556 --> 00:39:04,716
Speaker 2: somethings in June Gloom. I was like, I can't write

808
00:39:04,716 --> 00:39:06,676
Speaker 2: this chorus with you guys in here like that.

809
00:39:06,876 --> 00:39:11,396
Speaker 3: Just get out.

810
00:39:11,716 --> 00:39:13,836
Speaker 1: After one last break, we'll be back with more from

811
00:39:13,956 --> 00:39:20,756
Speaker 1: Camilla Cabeo. We're back with the rest of my conversation

812
00:39:20,956 --> 00:39:23,876
Speaker 1: with Camila Cabello. I was talking to him, boy, I

813
00:39:23,876 --> 00:39:24,956
Speaker 1: was like, you know, because he did that run of

814
00:39:24,996 --> 00:39:26,996
Speaker 1: like he did four or five NODS records, like where

815
00:39:26,996 --> 00:39:30,116
Speaker 1: he was the sole producer, and it was interesting, like not

816
00:39:30,636 --> 00:39:34,396
Speaker 1: in the documentary. Did you see that in Hip Hop Revolution? Yeah? Well,

817
00:39:34,436 --> 00:39:37,196
Speaker 1: and then going back to like Ellmatic, that first NODS

818
00:39:37,236 --> 00:39:38,756
Speaker 1: record is the first time that like someone was like,

819
00:39:38,836 --> 00:39:40,876
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with all these different producers and they

820
00:39:40,916 --> 00:39:41,276
Speaker 1: were like.

821
00:39:41,196 --> 00:39:43,836
Speaker 3: The top producers at the top, ye.

822
00:39:44,036 --> 00:39:50,116
Speaker 1: Q Tip Premiere, who else is on that large professor whatever, whatever, whatever,

823
00:39:50,676 --> 00:39:52,796
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's funny, and I feel like that

824
00:39:52,876 --> 00:39:56,116
Speaker 1: opened up a thing where people work with a bunch

825
00:39:56,116 --> 00:39:58,716
Speaker 1: of different producers, like these big camps, and that sort

826
00:39:58,716 --> 00:39:59,276
Speaker 1: of become the thing.

827
00:39:59,276 --> 00:40:01,116
Speaker 2: But it gives me anxiety to be honest with you,

828
00:40:01,196 --> 00:40:03,676
Speaker 2: because I actually did that. I remember from my first album,

829
00:40:03,756 --> 00:40:05,716
Speaker 2: I you know, it was Frank and then I went

830
00:40:05,756 --> 00:40:07,796
Speaker 2: into like Max Martin's thing.

831
00:40:07,756 --> 00:40:09,076
Speaker 1: And I read I was a Max Martin.

832
00:40:09,396 --> 00:40:11,676
Speaker 3: I mean I was, to be honest, I was so young.

833
00:40:11,716 --> 00:40:14,356
Speaker 2: I was like twenty, which I don't know, maybe that

834
00:40:14,396 --> 00:40:17,956
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that young, but for my age at that time,

835
00:40:18,756 --> 00:40:21,396
Speaker 2: I was like kind of seventeen inside yeah, you know,

836
00:40:21,476 --> 00:40:23,876
Speaker 2: because I started at fifteen.

837
00:40:23,916 --> 00:40:27,316
Speaker 3: So I was just like, my god, and it was

838
00:40:27,396 --> 00:40:29,556
Speaker 3: Max Martin, Like I was like, what the fuck? What

839
00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:30,236
Speaker 3: am I doing?

840
00:40:30,276 --> 00:40:32,956
Speaker 2: This is so much and I at that time, Max Martin,

841
00:40:32,956 --> 00:40:36,156
Speaker 2: I'm working with Pharrell. I was like, what is going on?

842
00:40:36,876 --> 00:40:39,316
Speaker 2: And I just wanted to prove myself to these people.

843
00:40:39,436 --> 00:40:41,916
Speaker 2: I literally wasn't even thinking to be honest with you,

844
00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:44,596
Speaker 2: which is not the way to be. But I wasn't

845
00:40:44,636 --> 00:40:47,716
Speaker 2: even thinking about what's gonna make the best song?

846
00:40:47,796 --> 00:40:49,756
Speaker 3: Walking out of here? I was just trying to prove

847
00:40:49,876 --> 00:40:51,196
Speaker 3: that I was good to Parrell.

848
00:40:51,396 --> 00:40:52,756
Speaker 1: Well, how do you do that as you're twenty and

849
00:40:52,796 --> 00:40:53,916
Speaker 1: you're in a studio with Pharrell?

850
00:40:54,756 --> 00:40:56,596
Speaker 2: Literally wanted him to think I was good. I didn't

851
00:40:56,596 --> 00:40:59,596
Speaker 2: even care like this song, I didn't care. I was

852
00:40:59,636 --> 00:41:01,676
Speaker 2: just like, I just want Pharrell to walk out of

853
00:41:01,676 --> 00:41:02,996
Speaker 2: here thinking I'm a good writer.

854
00:41:03,316 --> 00:41:03,556
Speaker 1: Yeah?

855
00:41:03,636 --> 00:41:04,036
Speaker 3: Period?

856
00:41:04,196 --> 00:41:05,996
Speaker 1: What can I bring to this? Really? As a toy

857
00:41:06,076 --> 00:41:07,356
Speaker 1: like that? You know, it's like you kind of I

858
00:41:07,356 --> 00:41:08,516
Speaker 1: could imagine that feeling.

859
00:41:08,916 --> 00:41:11,116
Speaker 2: It's just I think when it's like too many superstar,

860
00:41:11,916 --> 00:41:15,276
Speaker 2: so many superstar producers, it kind of just makes me anxious.

861
00:41:15,316 --> 00:41:18,116
Speaker 2: Like even Ginsho in the beginning, I was so nervous.

862
00:41:18,116 --> 00:41:20,476
Speaker 2: I felt like I needed needed to prove myself to him,

863
00:41:20,836 --> 00:41:22,676
Speaker 2: and I would tell him is the tea?

864
00:41:22,796 --> 00:41:24,036
Speaker 3: And Ricky too, and.

865
00:41:23,956 --> 00:41:26,956
Speaker 2: Frank God, I'm so so vulnerable with all of them.

866
00:41:26,996 --> 00:41:29,076
Speaker 2: But that's what you can do when you, you know,

867
00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:30,196
Speaker 2: hunker down.

868
00:41:29,996 --> 00:41:31,116
Speaker 3: With people, you can be like.

869
00:41:32,676 --> 00:41:35,556
Speaker 2: I remember, like I would literally be like, are you

870
00:41:35,596 --> 00:41:38,636
Speaker 2: comparing me to blink right now?

871
00:41:39,116 --> 00:41:42,516
Speaker 3: Because I'm crazy and I have way I need more

872
00:41:42,556 --> 00:41:44,876
Speaker 3: of a filter. And he would be like, what are

873
00:41:44,876 --> 00:41:45,316
Speaker 3: you kidding?

874
00:41:45,676 --> 00:41:50,236
Speaker 2: No, what, But then you see them as a human,

875
00:41:50,516 --> 00:41:52,556
Speaker 2: which is where I need to be in order to write.

876
00:41:52,596 --> 00:41:54,556
Speaker 3: I cannot see you as a superstar producer.

877
00:41:55,756 --> 00:41:57,596
Speaker 1: Rachel too is just like a cool factor too that

878
00:41:57,636 --> 00:41:59,476
Speaker 1: I could have met, Like, I mean I never I

879
00:41:59,516 --> 00:42:01,276
Speaker 1: never met him, but just like listening to his music,

880
00:42:01,316 --> 00:42:03,476
Speaker 1: You're like, that's a guy who knows a lot about

881
00:42:03,676 --> 00:42:04,036
Speaker 1: a lot.

882
00:42:04,196 --> 00:42:07,036
Speaker 2: Well he yeah, I mean he he schooled the fuck

883
00:42:07,076 --> 00:42:09,836
Speaker 2: out of me, which is amazing. But that I want

884
00:42:09,876 --> 00:42:12,596
Speaker 2: to be around people who school me constantly because that's

885
00:42:12,596 --> 00:42:14,596
Speaker 2: the only way that I can get better. Yeah, And

886
00:42:14,636 --> 00:42:17,276
Speaker 2: I feel like that's like what I feel like mad

887
00:42:17,556 --> 00:42:20,636
Speaker 2: made this album so creatively fulfilling and rewarding is that

888
00:42:20,716 --> 00:42:23,756
Speaker 2: I wasn't fucking school Like I was like, you know,

889
00:42:24,356 --> 00:42:28,436
Speaker 2: I was listening to classic albums that I'd never heard

890
00:42:28,476 --> 00:42:29,356
Speaker 2: before because.

891
00:42:29,116 --> 00:42:32,476
Speaker 3: I grew up music. It was all Latin music.

892
00:42:32,756 --> 00:42:37,836
Speaker 2: It was Latin music plus Michael Jackson, Universal period and

893
00:42:37,836 --> 00:42:38,636
Speaker 2: that that was.

894
00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:39,236
Speaker 3: Pretty much it.

895
00:42:40,596 --> 00:42:42,716
Speaker 2: So I kind of went back and I was like, oh,

896
00:42:42,756 --> 00:42:47,036
Speaker 2: what is this radiohead that people keep talking about?

897
00:42:47,516 --> 00:42:48,476
Speaker 3: You know what it like?

898
00:42:49,236 --> 00:42:52,196
Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, I just like did a lot

899
00:42:52,196 --> 00:42:54,476
Speaker 2: of studying on this album.

900
00:42:54,596 --> 00:42:55,876
Speaker 1: That's cool. So do you think all this is going

901
00:42:55,956 --> 00:42:59,356
Speaker 1: to inform the next thing, the next thing moving forward

902
00:42:59,396 --> 00:43:00,436
Speaker 1: your career your I.

903
00:43:00,436 --> 00:43:02,876
Speaker 2: Think so, Yeah, for sure, I think I you know,

904
00:43:02,956 --> 00:43:09,036
Speaker 2: I think like gin Cho and like I think that

905
00:43:10,316 --> 00:43:12,716
Speaker 2: I always kind of need to work with people like

906
00:43:12,796 --> 00:43:16,476
Speaker 2: gin Cho who really know their shit and.

907
00:43:17,876 --> 00:43:20,196
Speaker 3: Just hold me to like a higher standard.

908
00:43:20,356 --> 00:43:24,436
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's like, Yeah, something I really

909
00:43:24,516 --> 00:43:27,356
Speaker 2: learned is just really putting a lot of love and

910
00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:29,756
Speaker 2: care into something, which I feel like I really did.

911
00:43:29,756 --> 00:43:32,036
Speaker 2: I put a lot of love and care into it,

912
00:43:32,116 --> 00:43:34,076
Speaker 2: and I just love it.

913
00:43:34,076 --> 00:43:36,836
Speaker 1: It's a very cool. It's a great album. I'm still

914
00:43:36,836 --> 00:43:38,636
Speaker 1: I still like I love it a lot of it

915
00:43:38,676 --> 00:43:41,836
Speaker 1: because it is straight up and it's like the funny

916
00:43:41,836 --> 00:43:46,676
Speaker 1: thing too, is you kicked it off with like the

917
00:43:46,676 --> 00:43:49,036
Speaker 1: the strength, the weirdest song on the album, like you

918
00:43:49,076 --> 00:43:51,396
Speaker 1: didn't hold it. You didn't hold you didn't hold back,

919
00:43:51,476 --> 00:43:53,676
Speaker 1: like you were just like we're announced album, we're going

920
00:43:53,916 --> 00:43:58,956
Speaker 1: and it is so it's like abrasive. It's abrasive copy.

921
00:43:59,436 --> 00:44:03,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually hate when I Do you think

922
00:44:03,196 --> 00:44:04,036
Speaker 2: I was right when I.

923
00:44:03,996 --> 00:44:04,996
Speaker 3: Called it hyper pop?

924
00:44:05,916 --> 00:44:07,756
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know, Okay, I don't know what that means.

925
00:44:08,316 --> 00:44:08,836
Speaker 1: People say it.

926
00:44:08,836 --> 00:44:10,836
Speaker 2: I don't because I like said it and then it

927
00:44:10,956 --> 00:44:13,076
Speaker 2: was like this hyper pop song and I was like, guys,

928
00:44:13,116 --> 00:44:15,956
Speaker 2: it's not though, like it's it's so many things at

929
00:44:15,956 --> 00:44:16,556
Speaker 2: the same time.

930
00:44:16,796 --> 00:44:18,916
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a lot of things. I mean, it's

931
00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:22,116
Speaker 1: a lot of it's a very it's a visceral record.

932
00:44:22,356 --> 00:44:23,876
Speaker 1: I mean the stuff on me that sounds like like

933
00:44:23,916 --> 00:44:27,116
Speaker 1: that no wave stuff like that, like that late seventies,

934
00:44:27,156 --> 00:44:30,436
Speaker 1: early eighties New York like underground club stuff. It's just

935
00:44:30,476 --> 00:44:32,836
Speaker 1: so it's such a I don't know, just ooze is

936
00:44:32,876 --> 00:44:35,196
Speaker 1: like a cool I think that I love it. Yeah,

937
00:44:35,636 --> 00:44:36,076
Speaker 1: it is it.

938
00:44:36,276 --> 00:44:37,476
Speaker 3: I also think like that's it.

939
00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:37,876
Speaker 1: You know.

940
00:44:37,916 --> 00:44:42,636
Speaker 2: I was telling my choreographer, uh, my choreographers, Calvit and

941
00:44:42,676 --> 00:44:45,116
Speaker 2: Sarah Yesterday, who I've worked with for a long time,

942
00:44:45,156 --> 00:44:47,636
Speaker 2: because we have like I love it and we have

943
00:44:47,676 --> 00:44:48,556
Speaker 2: like Dave County dreaming.

944
00:44:48,596 --> 00:44:48,916
Speaker 3: Did you hear it?

945
00:44:49,516 --> 00:44:51,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's you the album enough because I

946
00:44:51,756 --> 00:44:54,516
Speaker 1: got sent to stream and the link was but I

947
00:44:54,516 --> 00:44:55,196
Speaker 1: can't wait to hear it.

948
00:44:55,676 --> 00:44:57,996
Speaker 2: But like on both of those songs, I feel like

949
00:44:58,076 --> 00:45:02,396
Speaker 2: I I yeah, I feel like mainly most of those

950
00:45:02,436 --> 00:45:07,316
Speaker 2: songs man Hot of Town and I don't know me,

951
00:45:08,156 --> 00:45:09,156
Speaker 2: but mostly.

952
00:45:08,836 --> 00:45:10,676
Speaker 1: I not z x cut is really cool too. I

953
00:45:10,676 --> 00:45:13,476
Speaker 1: mean he sounds like really he sounds amazing.

954
00:45:13,476 --> 00:45:16,436
Speaker 3: Though, no, he went crazy on his verse.

955
00:45:16,756 --> 00:45:17,556
Speaker 1: How did that happen?

956
00:45:18,196 --> 00:45:21,196
Speaker 2: He's really close with Jasper, and so I think we

957
00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:24,156
Speaker 2: were always just kind of like in the same family

958
00:45:24,196 --> 00:45:28,356
Speaker 2: circles and uh he Jasper like played him my album

959
00:45:28,516 --> 00:45:30,636
Speaker 2: and he loved it. And I think we've always been

960
00:45:30,716 --> 00:45:33,836
Speaker 2: like kind of like loving and supportive of each other

961
00:45:33,876 --> 00:45:36,076
Speaker 2: for the past, like since we've met, like six years ago,

962
00:45:37,356 --> 00:45:39,196
Speaker 2: and I just always loved him. I just think he's

963
00:45:39,316 --> 00:45:45,036
Speaker 2: like such an incredible artist. And we were thinking of

964
00:45:45,076 --> 00:45:49,196
Speaker 2: like who to have on that song, and Jasper was like, oh,

965
00:45:49,276 --> 00:45:50,716
Speaker 2: like what about nas And he had never done a

966
00:45:50,716 --> 00:45:52,396
Speaker 2: feature before at that time, so I was like, I

967
00:45:52,396 --> 00:45:55,356
Speaker 2: don't know if he's going to do it, but we asked,

968
00:45:55,396 --> 00:45:56,996
Speaker 2: and we were so excited about the idea of like

969
00:45:57,116 --> 00:45:59,236
Speaker 2: us both singing about the same guy or fighting over

970
00:45:59,236 --> 00:46:02,036
Speaker 2: the same guy, because it's just like I just never

971
00:46:02,036 --> 00:46:03,236
Speaker 2: seen that before.

972
00:46:03,676 --> 00:46:06,236
Speaker 1: It's just such a such a funny concept and perfect

973
00:46:06,916 --> 00:46:10,076
Speaker 1: challenges having just come out like the same person. It's

974
00:46:10,156 --> 00:46:13,036
Speaker 1: like that kind of drama of that. And he's like, yeah,

975
00:46:13,076 --> 00:46:14,676
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what to expect from it, you know,

976
00:46:14,756 --> 00:46:16,836
Speaker 1: like what he would sound like on it, And it

977
00:46:16,916 --> 00:46:19,596
Speaker 1: is really cool, like I don't know, it sounds like

978
00:46:19,596 --> 00:46:22,356
Speaker 1: he's almost in character or something like he's.

979
00:46:21,756 --> 00:46:24,276
Speaker 3: Playing with new stuff too, because he said the other.

980
00:46:24,196 --> 00:46:27,916
Speaker 2: Day he was playing with the kind of like like

981
00:46:27,996 --> 00:46:31,836
Speaker 2: kind of like Jamaican like New York, like the sounds

982
00:46:31,876 --> 00:46:33,436
Speaker 2: like the.

983
00:46:34,916 --> 00:46:35,236
Speaker 3: Whatever.

984
00:46:35,396 --> 00:46:37,996
Speaker 2: Like yeah, he's kind of you know, exploring different things

985
00:46:38,036 --> 00:46:40,196
Speaker 2: in his different pockets too.

986
00:46:40,396 --> 00:46:41,036
Speaker 1: That's so cool.

987
00:46:41,156 --> 00:46:43,276
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say about Dade County Dreaming and

988
00:46:43,396 --> 00:46:46,636
Speaker 2: I love it. I feel like those were feelings that

989
00:46:46,796 --> 00:46:50,436
Speaker 2: I always put on other people's music to tap into,

990
00:46:50,556 --> 00:46:54,036
Speaker 2: like this feeling of like bravado or cockiness or like

991
00:46:54,116 --> 00:46:56,276
Speaker 2: you know, like which I feel like rap gives you.

992
00:46:56,156 --> 00:46:59,276
Speaker 3: Like this feeling of just like can't fuck with me?

993
00:46:59,556 --> 00:47:02,276
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean. Those songs have that.

994
00:47:02,876 --> 00:47:05,676
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm just like excited that I get to

995
00:47:05,756 --> 00:47:09,636
Speaker 2: kind of I feel like I am able to embody

996
00:47:09,716 --> 00:47:11,516
Speaker 2: that now in my own music.

997
00:47:11,676 --> 00:47:14,396
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Have you had a

998
00:47:14,476 --> 00:47:16,116
Speaker 1: chance to go to Cuba?

999
00:47:16,796 --> 00:47:20,396
Speaker 3: I was born there, but like back when I was fourteen.

1000
00:47:20,396 --> 00:47:23,876
Speaker 1: When what was the how was how was that I

1001
00:47:23,876 --> 00:47:24,316
Speaker 1: haven't been.

1002
00:47:24,276 --> 00:47:26,756
Speaker 2: Able to go again just because like passport issues and

1003
00:47:26,836 --> 00:47:30,316
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it was it was like right

1004
00:47:30,396 --> 00:47:34,676
Speaker 2: before I auditioned for X Factor and my grandparents.

1005
00:47:34,756 --> 00:47:36,796
Speaker 3: No, my grandma was still living there at the time.

1006
00:47:36,796 --> 00:47:38,956
Speaker 2: Now she lives in Miami and I had tons of

1007
00:47:38,996 --> 00:47:42,396
Speaker 2: family there. I still have family there, but a lot

1008
00:47:42,476 --> 00:47:45,236
Speaker 2: of people have come to Miami now, thank god. Honestly,

1009
00:47:45,276 --> 00:47:47,676
Speaker 2: what I mostly remember is like I was like obsessed

1010
00:47:47,676 --> 00:47:48,316
Speaker 2: with Justin Bieber.

1011
00:47:48,356 --> 00:47:50,076
Speaker 3: At the time. They had no Internet.

1012
00:47:50,276 --> 00:47:53,756
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and like they only had like the like

1013
00:47:53,756 --> 00:47:56,396
Speaker 2: an email app and like Solitaire, but they had no

1014
00:47:56,436 --> 00:47:57,116
Speaker 2: Internet at all.

1015
00:47:57,196 --> 00:47:58,036
Speaker 3: So when the whole.

1016
00:47:57,836 --> 00:48:00,076
Speaker 2: World was obsessed with like Justin Bieber, They're like, we

1017
00:48:00,116 --> 00:48:02,036
Speaker 2: don't know who that is. And I was like, no, guys,

1018
00:48:03,396 --> 00:48:06,476
Speaker 2: Justin Bieber, No for sure, No, I don't know. I

1019
00:48:06,516 --> 00:48:07,436
Speaker 2: haven't been back, but.

1020
00:48:09,156 --> 00:48:10,396
Speaker 3: Yeah, the situation is rough.

1021
00:48:10,676 --> 00:48:13,636
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's bad. I was there a few years back.

1022
00:48:13,556 --> 00:48:15,196
Speaker 3: And what was your experience?

1023
00:48:16,076 --> 00:48:20,396
Speaker 1: Very very strange, strange, Like it was a weird experience

1024
00:48:20,396 --> 00:48:23,716
Speaker 1: because the people are so incredible.

1025
00:48:23,876 --> 00:48:25,636
Speaker 3: The people are.

1026
00:48:27,476 --> 00:48:32,276
Speaker 1: Just precious, some of the greatest people on the planet

1027
00:48:32,436 --> 00:48:33,236
Speaker 1: that I've come across.

1028
00:48:33,236 --> 00:48:39,036
Speaker 3: Warm, so warm, so generous, so loving. My mommy's Cuban.

1029
00:48:39,436 --> 00:48:42,556
Speaker 1: Yeah that's who is right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a warmth, man,

1030
00:48:42,596 --> 00:48:45,636
Speaker 1: there's just a warmth. But you know, then obviously, but

1031
00:48:45,676 --> 00:48:48,036
Speaker 1: then you're like also balancing that with that and obviously

1032
00:48:48,076 --> 00:48:50,116
Speaker 1: the country itself is beautiful.

1033
00:48:50,916 --> 00:48:53,396
Speaker 3: The terrainanape, the landscapes insane.

1034
00:48:53,436 --> 00:48:55,436
Speaker 1: But then then you but then you're also a knowledge

1035
00:48:55,436 --> 00:48:57,356
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, remember I met a guy there,

1036
00:48:57,876 --> 00:49:00,196
Speaker 1: amazing guy, so cool, and he was like showing us

1037
00:49:00,236 --> 00:49:02,396
Speaker 1: around and we're like, come, like, come have dinner, Like,

1038
00:49:02,436 --> 00:49:04,196
Speaker 1: let's just get your dinner. And he was like, this

1039
00:49:04,236 --> 00:49:06,276
Speaker 1: is the first time I've had like lobster in twenty years.

1040
00:49:06,276 --> 00:49:08,756
Speaker 1: Like how you live by the ocean, what do you

1041
00:49:08,756 --> 00:49:10,236
Speaker 1: mean my.

1042
00:49:10,156 --> 00:49:13,796
Speaker 2: Mom my mom never had lobster until I you know,

1043
00:49:14,196 --> 00:49:17,916
Speaker 2: yeah had money now, but she never had They barely

1044
00:49:17,956 --> 00:49:21,676
Speaker 2: had meat or chicken or eggs. They had like four

1045
00:49:21,676 --> 00:49:22,276
Speaker 2: eggs a month.

1046
00:49:22,396 --> 00:49:24,396
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's so it's it's it's just it's

1047
00:49:24,436 --> 00:49:27,596
Speaker 1: a really I don't know. I always recommend it for

1048
00:49:27,636 --> 00:49:30,276
Speaker 1: people to go because you just can't. It's it's it's you.

1049
00:49:30,636 --> 00:49:33,316
Speaker 1: I don't know if that level of uh, you know,

1050
00:49:33,356 --> 00:49:35,636
Speaker 1: it's just so bifurcated. It's so weird my thinking on it.

1051
00:49:35,716 --> 00:49:38,636
Speaker 1: It's so strange where it's like people are beautiful, trains beautiful,

1052
00:49:38,716 --> 00:49:40,796
Speaker 1: it's lovely, and the music's incredible. I've never been to

1053
00:49:40,876 --> 00:49:43,956
Speaker 1: more musical place in my life. New Orleans would be second,

1054
00:49:43,956 --> 00:49:46,756
Speaker 1: which is saying something, yes, totally, but then you're like, man,

1055
00:49:46,756 --> 00:49:49,876
Speaker 1: these people have like like there's no help. You know,

1056
00:49:49,916 --> 00:49:52,196
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of tragic. It's very tragic.

1057
00:49:52,356 --> 00:49:56,356
Speaker 2: I know, I wonder, like I feel like music and

1058
00:49:56,396 --> 00:50:00,316
Speaker 2: that warmth and that generosity is also like a has

1059
00:50:00,356 --> 00:50:04,076
Speaker 2: evolved out of that paint too, and that yeah, you

1060
00:50:04,116 --> 00:50:05,276
Speaker 2: know hardship.

1061
00:50:05,156 --> 00:50:07,796
Speaker 1: Right, which is another tough, tough thing to stomach. It's like, yeah,

1062
00:50:08,156 --> 00:50:10,636
Speaker 1: all that pain did bring a certain level of beauty.

1063
00:50:10,356 --> 00:50:11,196
Speaker 3: Out of totally.

1064
00:50:11,676 --> 00:50:14,836
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen this documentary, Cuba and the Cameraman. No,

1065
00:50:14,916 --> 00:50:17,556
Speaker 2: It's on Netflix. It's amazing. It was the first time

1066
00:50:17,556 --> 00:50:21,316
Speaker 2: that I understood because I had always heard my grandma

1067
00:50:21,716 --> 00:50:25,996
Speaker 2: and my mom talking about, you know, the different phases

1068
00:50:26,076 --> 00:50:29,436
Speaker 2: of the Cuban Revolution and then what the situation was

1069
00:50:29,436 --> 00:50:31,916
Speaker 2: looking like when my mom left to go to Mexico.

1070
00:50:32,316 --> 00:50:34,876
Speaker 2: But that documentary, it's basically it's the same guy a

1071
00:50:34,916 --> 00:50:38,236
Speaker 2: shot on one camera forty years of traveling to Cuba,

1072
00:50:38,316 --> 00:50:40,396
Speaker 2: I think every ten years. So you see in the

1073
00:50:40,396 --> 00:50:43,076
Speaker 2: beginning everything is amazing, and then maybe twenty years later

1074
00:50:43,276 --> 00:50:46,436
Speaker 2: you see him going to the supermarkets and there's nothing

1075
00:50:46,476 --> 00:50:49,356
Speaker 2: on the shelves. You see him, you know, going up

1076
00:50:49,356 --> 00:50:51,276
Speaker 2: to people and he's like, can I get a beer?

1077
00:50:51,396 --> 00:50:53,796
Speaker 2: Can I get some meat? They're like, we don't have anything.

1078
00:50:54,396 --> 00:50:57,636
Speaker 2: It was just the first time that I was like, oh, wow,

1079
00:50:57,796 --> 00:51:01,716
Speaker 2: I've seen I'm seeing now through visuals and images what

1080
00:51:01,956 --> 00:51:04,156
Speaker 2: my grandma and my mom lived.

1081
00:51:04,476 --> 00:51:06,076
Speaker 1: And we're talking because you didn't understand that by the

1082
00:51:06,116 --> 00:51:07,036
Speaker 1: time you left right.

1083
00:51:06,956 --> 00:51:09,036
Speaker 2: When you no, no, no, no, I mean I was seven,

1084
00:51:09,196 --> 00:51:11,996
Speaker 2: so I definitely I would. You know, as a kid,

1085
00:51:12,756 --> 00:51:16,996
Speaker 2: you have no stresses and you know your parents. My parents,

1086
00:51:17,036 --> 00:51:19,476
Speaker 2: I feel like always kind of carried the burdens for me,

1087
00:51:19,556 --> 00:51:23,516
Speaker 2: like they never you know what I mean. Yeah, So, yeah,

1088
00:51:23,516 --> 00:51:25,196
Speaker 2: I was having a I was having a great time.

1089
00:51:25,516 --> 00:51:29,356
Speaker 2: But now I have cousins that like in the past,

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Speaker 2: every year, I feel like I have new family members

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00:51:32,716 --> 00:51:34,476
Speaker 2: that come because we're trying to get more and more

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00:51:34,516 --> 00:51:39,516
Speaker 2: people kind of out. Yeah and yeah. The things that

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00:51:39,556 --> 00:51:42,596
Speaker 2: they say is like it's so crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, why did your dad go to Cuba by

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00:51:45,036 --> 00:51:46,156
Speaker 1: the way, because he's from Mexico.

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Speaker 3: My dad is from Mexico.

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Speaker 2: He only went to Cuba after my mom was pregnant

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00:51:49,996 --> 00:51:52,756
Speaker 2: with me, and it was just like to kind of

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Speaker 2: visit family, got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right. It's just such an interesting background that

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Speaker 1: you have.

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Speaker 4: Then I feel very lucky because I just love I

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Speaker 4: just love having access to like my Cuban side and

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Speaker 4: my Mexican side, like the people, like the food in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel so happy that there's actually one song

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Speaker 2: that didn't make the album because it's like not cxoxo,

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Speaker 2: but it was called Broken English that.

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Speaker 3: I wrote about my mom.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, And there was like this one line that

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Speaker 2: was like empty chairs at like Christmas dinner table or whatever,

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Speaker 2: because that's like how Cuban people always describe.

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Speaker 3: Like just like immigrant families.

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Speaker 2: And for so long, it was like my holidays were like,

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Speaker 2: you know, just me and my mom and my dad,

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Speaker 2: and then my sister was born and just the four

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00:52:41,156 --> 00:52:43,396
Speaker 2: of us, and now we're having more and more family

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00:52:43,436 --> 00:52:45,956
Speaker 2: come and it feels very healing for me because I

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Speaker 2: get to have cousins around and I get to I

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Speaker 2: don't know, just like have access to a lot of

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Speaker 2: things about me that were probably just like in me,

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Speaker 2: but I didn't know that, Oh my cousin has that

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00:52:59,436 --> 00:53:02,836
Speaker 2: same I don't know, like have it as me or yeah,

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Speaker 2: or like she has the same tick as my mom

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Like it like feels very healing for me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's incredible, And I hope you get to go

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Speaker 1: back one day.

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Speaker 2: Me too, But even Miami in that way feels very

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Speaker 2: healing for me because I get to spend time with

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Speaker 2: them and yeah, it's just like it feels almost like

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00:53:18,956 --> 00:53:20,956
Speaker 2: it feels like the new home that we've all had

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00:53:20,956 --> 00:53:23,796
Speaker 2: to make because we can't ever like really go back

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00:53:23,876 --> 00:53:27,356
Speaker 2: to Cuba or you know, we wouldn't go back to

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Speaker 2: Cuba or go to Mexico. So it feels like Miami

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Speaker 2: is like, Okay, this is like where the new family

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00:53:34,476 --> 00:53:37,036
Speaker 2: line is being kind of created.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. Well, Camilla, thank you so much for making

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Speaker 1: the album and for coming to LA and talking to

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Speaker 1: us about I know you'd rather be in Miami, but

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00:53:46,596 --> 00:53:47,476
Speaker 1: you're here in mind.

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00:53:47,956 --> 00:53:49,676
Speaker 3: No, because then I wouldn't have gone to meet you.

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00:53:49,716 --> 00:53:50,836
Speaker 3: And you're so lovely.

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00:53:51,316 --> 00:53:53,316
Speaker 1: You're really good with people. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Stop it, no, I really mean it.

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Speaker 2: You have you have really great energy, very you have

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00:53:58,036 --> 00:54:00,716
Speaker 2: very calming, kind energy.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks to Camila Cabello

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Speaker 1: for chatting about the making of her new album Sex.

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