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Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon Podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday morning, I walk into the office, Induces already, you know,

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Speaker 3: we got it.

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Speaker 2: What's your draft breakdown? This?

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Speaker 4: That?

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Speaker 2: The other thing.

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Speaker 5: I was like, Mike, we just got back from the

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Speaker 5: super Bowl that yesterday.

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Speaker 2: No, turn the page. You got a poll?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, how BIG's your pole?

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Speaker 7: I've been to so many season take a lot of

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Speaker 7: pictures because it's it's all going to be a blur,

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Speaker 7: and so I tried to do that day after day

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Speaker 8: Fred's anti pictures.

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Speaker 2: If you're at something cool like the super Bowl or

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Speaker 2: you know, Italy or whatever. What I don't like is

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Speaker 2: taking pictures of yourself at these places, like what's the point?

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Speaker 3: And then they get their butts kicked in the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl by a really good Seattle defensive front, and now

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Speaker 3: all five of them need to go.

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Speaker 9: And it's just you can do that stuff on your time.

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Speaker 9: I'll get into the Shirley Temple.

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Speaker 2: Does he need to be a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: the checkdown?

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Speaker 6: Charlie at times when the times strike about Yeah, if.

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Speaker 3: They had checkdowns for him from the ball, Okay, I

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Speaker 3: didn't mean to trigger you.

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Speaker 1: I was dancing a little too hard.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad. I'm glad you had a good This is

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Speaker 2: Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 6: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: It is Tuesday here at Jiles Stadium. We're in the

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Speaker 2: throes of the off season still, you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: talking about the Super Bowl in the aftermath, and you

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Speaker 2: know what that means in the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 6: So we'll do that.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about free agency. I see Paul came with

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Speaker 2: a big list of all the available fas and UFAs

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Speaker 2: and alphabetical.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we can get into that team and position.

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Speaker 1: Pauls rankings, he puts the out every year, his top.

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Speaker 2: It's just maybe a little bit of draft. Although warning,

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Speaker 2: I haven't started my deep dive yet, have you did.

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Speaker 1: I did that in the last couple of days. Actually

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Speaker 2: Evan's heaven never stopped diving, so he did. He's been

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Speaker 2: in full draft speedo for the last.

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Speaker 9: Couple of months on safety and Toledo who doesn't have

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Speaker 3: Like read option and he's just looking the wrong place,

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Speaker 3: and like, where are you going?

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Speaker 8: Seriously?

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Speaker 2: I walk in.

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Speaker 9: I walked in the bullpen today, Freddy, and he's got

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Speaker 9: a Toledo game on, and I go, jesus, if we're into.

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Speaker 6: Match the MUDs mud Hens.

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Speaker 5: Well, I believe so.

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Speaker 3: But they they have a first round safety that a

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Speaker 3: so it's.

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Speaker 2: Not like they never know every every team every once

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Speaker 2: in a while, you know, I was just you know,

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Speaker 2: I know, I haven't I haven't started either. I'm what's

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Speaker 2: Reddy Wyoming? Had?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, Josh Allen, Yeah, you never know.

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Speaker 6: It's it's ball, it's me.

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Speaker 2: It's due since Matt and Alex and the booth and

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Speaker 2: uh eight five five past five hundred is the way

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Speaker 2: to call the show. Podcast at Patriots dot com is

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Speaker 2: the way to email the show. So where do we start?

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Speaker 2: Where do we start? Do we start with any of

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think that the Terrell Williams zach

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least it's yeah, it's kind of the Patriots

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Speaker 6: Throw that out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've got to interview somebody.

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Speaker 7: So they're going to promote Terrell Williams to a high

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Speaker 7: And you know, Terrell Williams was standing out there for

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Speaker 3: You have to interview at least two minority candidates. They

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Speaker 3: Twenty weeks of the season, including a run to the

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Speaker 6: To know people. Yeah, and it's good for them for

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just say I'm I'm a little disappointed for

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Speaker 2: So There's been a lot of talk, especially on Paul Shows,

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Speaker 2: He's got to be He's got to be the one

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Speaker 2: I think Drake needs to work on. He's young, you know,

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Speaker 7: I kind of agree with you, Fred, I mean, I

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Speaker 7: So it's something Rabel has been trying to work with

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Speaker 2: I was Mike Rabel, I'd sit down with Drake May

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you've played in a Super Bowl, that you've

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Speaker 7: an NFC Championship. There's you know, not saying he's checked

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Speaker 7: you got to start owning it and you got to

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Speaker 1: Up to a count. Yeah, you got to play up

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was it meant to be.

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Speaker 9: They do that all the time. Now, I didn't necessarily

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Speaker 9: does sort of creatively edit some of these things at

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Speaker 3: That's my point is that I wouldn't watch these clips

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Speaker 7: It's thirty one team suck right now, and you lose

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Speaker 3: But and I'm not even saying it was bad content,

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Speaker 9: So it's clearly something that Drake is probably not a

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Speaker 9: I know things aren't going very well from me right now,

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Speaker 2: And not only that, I want him in McDaniel's here,

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Speaker 9: Of what Evan's talking about, Like maybe that's happening and

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Speaker 1: Like I said, he got his he got his face eat.

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Speaker 6: He'll figure it out of it around And that's what you.

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Speaker 3: Like not everybody's wired that right, right, inspired say, a

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Speaker 5: Is the best player. But I don't think that that necessarily.

445
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Speaker 2: That doesn't answer my question. Is he the guy that

446
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Speaker 2: they look to when things get tough?

447
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

448
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Speaker 3: I'm I don't probably not, but I don't know if

449
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Speaker 3: you need to be like I don't know if that necessarily.

450
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think that's what separates

451
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Speaker 2: the great ones.

452
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Speaker 3: I think what separates the great ones that they're great,

453
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Speaker 3: that they play well like. It's easy to lead, like

454
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Speaker 3: to fall behind somebody when they're playing well like, it's

455
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Speaker 3: it's not I don't know. I just I think that

456
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Speaker 3: there we kind of latch onto that archetype of like leader,

457
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Speaker 3: and that that's how it needs to be done, and I.

458
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Speaker 5: Don't know if it's the only path.

459
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Speaker 1: I don't need that.

460
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's not for now because this is, you know,

461
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Speaker 9: probably a bigger picture thing. But I do wonder if

462
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Speaker 9: it is kind of what Evan's talking about, like they're

463
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Speaker 9: not all wired that way. I think it's like less

464
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Speaker 9: and less a wired that way. Now, like you asked

465
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Speaker 9: the question, can you think of a great one who

466
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Speaker 9: wasn't like that?

467
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Speaker 2: Well?

468
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Speaker 9: Can you think of somebody who's not really wired like

469
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Speaker 9: to win?

470
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

471
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Speaker 6: I mean I don't know, but not everyone's not everyone,

472
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Speaker 6: but a really.

473
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Speaker 9: Good player that you just don't think he cares about

474
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Speaker 9: like as much as he should about winning.

475
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Speaker 6: Well, so you said real good player? Is he a

476
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Speaker 6: great Yeah?

477
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Speaker 9: Like, I mean obviously if he's a bad player, he

478
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Speaker 9: probably doesn't care.

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you know what I mean.

480
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Speaker 9: Like, so, could you make an argument like Josh Allen

481
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Speaker 9: and Lamar Jackson are as talented as anybody in the league,

482
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Speaker 9: but they haven't been able to get there?

483
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Speaker 8: Are they not wired that?

484
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Speaker 9: One think Josh Allen is certainly why.

485
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Speaker 6: I was going to say, that's what makes him great.

486
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Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people think Lamar isn't

487
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Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people think Justin Herbert

488
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Speaker 3: is in you know, I.

489
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Speaker 8: Think that's that's a really good one.

490
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Speaker 9: Justin Herbert, I I like, but I think is definitely

491
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Speaker 9: in that camp. And I and I wonder if what

492
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Speaker 9: Evan's talking about is more kind of generational. You're gonna

493
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Speaker 9: get more and more of this, you know, like they

494
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Speaker 9: don't come out the same way. And this is not

495
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Speaker 9: please don't. This is not old man yelling at clouds

496
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Speaker 9: like I'm not telling you, Oh, in my day, you cared.

497
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Speaker 9: And I totally recognize that people are changing lifestyles, are

498
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Speaker 9: changing attitudes everything that it's that old school coach barking

499
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Speaker 9: at you all the time doesn't work anymore. There's a

500
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Speaker 9: different way of doing it. It's not better, it's not worse,

501
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Speaker 9: it's different. And that's what these these kids come up

502
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Speaker 9: with now. And I do wonder if maybe part of

503
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Speaker 9: that is is it well, you know what, we're prepared.

504
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Speaker 9: I think Drake May wanted to win every bit as

505
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Speaker 9: badly as Sam Darnold and Kenneth Walker, did you know.

506
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Speaker 9: I don't think that he went into that game saying, well,

507
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Speaker 9: that's okay if we lose, because we're ahead of schedule.

508
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Speaker 9: But I do wonder if it hurts, Yeah, today's athlete,

509
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Speaker 9: not Drake May Today's athlete like it hurt.

510
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Speaker 2: Well, I think we might be splitting hairs a little bit.

511
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Speaker 2: But I look at the great ones as it's not

512
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Speaker 2: just demonstrative, it's leading by example, like whether it's Ted

513
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Speaker 2: like Ted Williams or whatever. When it comes down to it,

514
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Speaker 2: he's the guy we want up at the plate. He's

515
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Speaker 2: the guy we want behind center because we trust him.

516
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Speaker 2: We know he's gonna come through because he does it,

517
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Speaker 2: He's shown it. He leads by exams. Like Michael Jordan.

518
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that he was always in his teammate's face,

519
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 2: but like I bet every teammate wanted in his hands

520
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 2: in funch time, he was like he just wouldn't allow

521
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Speaker 2: the team to lose. Of course they didn't always come through, but.

522
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Speaker 3: Like the more modern Michael Jordan would be like Lebron

523
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Speaker 3: or Steph Curry, who are gamers there are, right, But I.

524
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Speaker 9: Don't know Lebron than Steph Curry. I think Steph Curry

525
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Speaker 9: would cut your heart out exactly. I'm not sure Lebron would,

526
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Speaker 9: but but I don't.

527
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Speaker 3: I think again, like I don't think that Lebron or

528
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Speaker 3: Steph Curry either one of those guys is very demonstrative.

529
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Speaker 2: No, but they do it by their play, right.

530
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Speaker 5: Which is what I'm saying, Like, if you play well,

531
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Speaker 5: then every.

532
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Speaker 7: Obviously, that's all that really matters to me. Like I don't,

533
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Speaker 7: I don't care, Like I'm never I've never once tried

534
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Speaker 7: to make the argument that Drake needs to be that guy.

535
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Speaker 7: I just need to feel confident in you that you're

536
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Speaker 7: gonna you're gonna start to play well even if you've

537
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Speaker 7: had a crappy start to the first you know.

538
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Speaker 1: And that's why.

539
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Speaker 2: But every one of those people that were talking about

540
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Speaker 2: that do it by their play. They do it, they

541
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Speaker 2: show by example. I'll bet you they're the cold blooded killers,

542
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Speaker 2: every one of them, every one of them.

543
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

544
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But I don't need that cold blooded killer to

545
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Speaker 3: go marching up and down and start screaming at people.

546
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Speaker 2: You don't have to, but they have to be cold

547
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Speaker 2: blooded killers.

548
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't. Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

549
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Speaker 3: We've only had one playoff run with Drake Mays and.

550
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Speaker 6: I said, he's still young, we's got a lot to

551
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Speaker 6: learn and all that.

552
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Speaker 3: It doesn't quite have that that mamba mentality.

553
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Speaker 5: As people say that Kobe Bryant, well, he may not

554
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Speaker 5: be great.

555
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Speaker 9: Then like I don't think Kobe's probably as good as Lebron. Yeah,

556
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Speaker 9: but I would say Kobe one hundred times out of

557
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Speaker 9: one hundred.

558
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Speaker 5: That's fair.

559
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Speaker 2: I think you don't have to have both. But I

560
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Speaker 2: think having the ability is number one, and having that

561
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Speaker 2: cold blooded mentality is what makes you great.

562
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Speaker 6: It's what separates the great one.

563
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Speaker 7: We just asks so much of a kid who's you know,

564
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Speaker 7: in Drake's case, was twenty two to twenty one years

565
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Speaker 7: old coming out of North Carolina to come into an

566
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Speaker 7: NFL team to lead them to you know, to be

567
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 7: that guy and not everybody special that way that they're

568
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Speaker 7: gonna come in and theyre instantly have that mojo. So,

569
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Speaker 7: you know, my hope is that I don't need the

570
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Speaker 7: rot ros stuff from Drake. I've never asked from that.

571
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Speaker 7: I just need to see him to continue to play

572
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 7: well when things aren't going well, when he's not playing

573
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Speaker 7: well in the first half, and you know, just having

574
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Speaker 7: that feeling like Bill's fans have right now, where Josh

575
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Speaker 7: is gonna make some place for us, Like I don't know,

576
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 7: if the defense are you know, we're gonna be able

577
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Speaker 7: to get it done. But you always have confidence when

578
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Speaker 7: you have one of those quarterbacks that at some point

579
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 7: they're gonna start to make plays and put some pressure

580
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Speaker 7: on Seattle. And for a brief glimpse, you know, maybe

581
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Speaker 7: it was the last about forty seconds and that Super

582
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Speaker 7: Bowl after you through the touchdown and they got the

583
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Speaker 7: ball back, and you know, for a moment there you felt,

584
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Speaker 7: all right, this is at least to bounce back a

585
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Speaker 7: little bit from Drake to you know. And again at

586
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Speaker 7: that point, he's probably just like, screw it, I'm gonna

587
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 7: let it rip, you know, so, but to me see

588
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Speaker 7: him make some of those throws down that gave me

589
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Speaker 7: a little bit of confidence.

590
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Speaker 2: Jack and arbis as an example of a great player

591
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Speaker 2: who didn't have fire in his belly to win his

592
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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.

593
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Speaker 3: Agree, maybe, yeah, I don't know, it's not hard to read.

594
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 3: I like, like Nikolay Jokic, like could not get out

595
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: of America fast enough when the NBA season is over.

596
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Speaker 3: I don't think he actually cared about anything, and he's

597
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Speaker 3: the best player in the.

598
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Speaker 9: League at Yeah, yeah, he actually laughed.

599
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

600
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he the guy like they won the Nuggets won

601
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Speaker 3: the title a couple of years ago, and he said,

602
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Speaker 3: can I go home like that?

603
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Speaker 5: That that you know like it? Just I don't. I

604
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Speaker 5: don't know if that. I think that a lot like Paul.

605
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Speaker 3: Was kind of saying, a lot of those types of guys,

606
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Speaker 3: it doesn't exist like it used to anymore, for better

607
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Speaker 3: or worse.

608
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Speaker 9: I do wonder if it's changing because of you know,

609
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Speaker 9: I just think that these kids are way different than

610
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Speaker 9: than like Fred and I were.

611
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Speaker 8: You guys are different. You know, you're not so much Mike.

612
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Speaker 8: I know you like to think himself as young, but

613
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Speaker 8: you're not.

614
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Speaker 5: See.

615
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Speaker 2: I think I don't think that part of it, that

616
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Speaker 2: cold blooded I hate to lose type of mentality has changed.

617
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Speaker 6: I think there are still.

618
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Speaker 3: A great I do think that like Drake may definitely

619
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Speaker 3: hates to lose a lot of there's been a lot

620
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: of stories about that, but him like hitting to lose

621
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: like ping pong like you know, and stuff like that.

622
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Speaker 3: Like No, I like, I just think it's different in

623
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Speaker 3: ways that they show it, like in ways that they

624
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Speaker 3: carry themselves, their body language, their their actions. I don't

625
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Speaker 3: I don't know if, like you know, Michael Jordan, you

626
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 3: brought him up like he he was famously an a hole,

627
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Speaker 3: like that guy would just go up to you in

628
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Speaker 3: practice and like the things that they did to like

629
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Speaker 3: Tony kukach Is like like ridiculous, Like they would go

630
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Speaker 3: up to him in practice and tell him that he

631
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Speaker 3: and everybody he ever known stinks, you know, like like

632
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Speaker 3: they he would just absolutely rip that guy's heart out.

633
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Speaker 3: I don't know if like everybody plays sports that way anymore,

634
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Speaker 3: for for again, for better or words. I'm not saying

635
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Speaker 3: it's a good thing or a bad thing, you know,

636
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Speaker 3: I just I don't know. I don't know if that's

637
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: the way it is anymore.

638
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: Anthony says, hey, old man yelling at clouds? Would you

639
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: say Marino falls into the dozen care enough? Not a

640
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: great leader, type of ultra talented player. I only saw

641
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: the end of his career, so not sure of what

642
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: he was like as a personality early on.

643
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Speaker 9: I see, I don't think so. I think he was

644
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 9: a really fiery competitive.

645
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 6: Well he was always yelling at other people, right.

646
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Speaker 9: No, absolutely, and that's like he wasn't doing that because

647
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 9: he didn't care, you know what I mean? Now you

648
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 9: can argue that he wasn't, you know, at his best

649
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 9: when he needed to be.

650
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Speaker 8: I mean, this another guy like Aaron.

651
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Speaker 9: I think he's the Aaron Rodgers of his time, like

652
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 9: too many home playoff losses and big you know, you know,

653
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 9: AFC Championship games in Miami and coming away with els.

654
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 9: But I mean, I would be hard pressed to find

655
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Speaker 9: a guy that I just openly said that guy doesn't

656
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Speaker 9: really seem like he cares if he would just not be.

657
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Speaker 7: Like to get to the NFL, Like you've got to

658
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 7: be hyper competitive just to get to the NFL.

659
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Speaker 1: Like you know, they're comparing.

660
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Speaker 9: Talents, Like I could look at certain guys and these

661
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 9: are good examples, Aaron Rodd. The last two we had

662
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Speaker 9: Aaron and Dan Marine, and they're great examples. I don't

663
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Speaker 9: know the answer to the questions, but you sometimes you

664
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Speaker 9: just look at guys and you're like, does it bother

665
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Speaker 9: justin Herbert as much when he loses as it bothers

666
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Speaker 9: a guy likes say Baker Mayfield. Now that might be

667
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Speaker 9: completely and utterly unfair, because one guy wears every emotion

668
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Speaker 9: that he's ever had on his sleeve, and the other

669
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Speaker 9: guy is as laid back as they come. It doesn't

670
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Speaker 9: mean that it matters more to Mayfield than it does

671
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Speaker 9: to Herbert. But that's the impression from Afar when you watch.

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Speaker 5: That's kind of my point.

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Speaker 2: It's superficial.

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Speaker 3: It is kind of trying to rebody language and get

675
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Speaker 3: inside guy's heads. And the end of the day, like

676
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: gotta play well, and like you gotta play well in

677
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Speaker 3: the biggest moments.

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Speaker 5: And he in the Super Bowl at least he didn't.

679
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Speaker 3: And so now there's this narrative that he doesn't care

680
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: enough for He's that you're not demonstrative enough, or he's

681
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: not a leader or a clutch or and that comes

682
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Speaker 3: with it, that comes with the territory.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to be sitting on the bench with

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Speaker 6: your head down anyway.

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Speaker 9: Well, and just before we go on, I just want

686
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Speaker 9: to reiterate that the league is better with Baker Mayfield.

687
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Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt, but Ryan says, Drake mays every

688
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: bit of the competitive spirit of Tom Brady. Think back

689
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Speaker 2: to Brady in the AFC Championship Game versus the Steelers.

690
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: In the first Super Bowl run, he tweaked his ankle,

691
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Speaker 2: but to his own admission in the Dynasty document, was

692
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Speaker 2: kind of ready to take a seat. Drake is super young,

693
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: and his leadership style will grow organically as his confidence

694
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 2: grows and as he gets older. To Evan's point, there

695
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: is no singular leadership style of the greats. Bill Russell,

696
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Speaker 2: Joe Montana, and Bird all had more revered personalities relative

697
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Speaker 2: to a Jordan or a Brady.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would.

699
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Speaker 8: Just Bird was tough to play with it too.

700
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, even said in the in the Celtics documentary,

701
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: he goes, I practice harder than these guys.

702
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Speaker 6: That's why I wanted the ball.

703
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 8: I wanted to take the shop because I knew I

704
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Speaker 8: was more prepared.

705
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

706
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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, Bird was tough to play with. Bird

707
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 9: was more like Jordan than you think.

708
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

709
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Speaker 2: Now, Bill Russell was a good example. He was a

710
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: lead by example guy, not in your face. Yeah. Montana,

711
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: maybe I don't know as much about him, but I

712
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: know that. But what in crunch time, he's the guy

713
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: I want the ball in his hand. Yeah, he's Joe cool,

714
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: you know, John Candy. Yeah, so it's good. It's good stuff.

715
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Speaker 9: I think it's a good discussion. It's probably bigger than

716
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Speaker 9: this show, but.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, nothing's bigger than this show.

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Speaker 2: Paul come on.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't like how we try to

720
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Speaker 3: like put athletes in like a box, like this is

721
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Speaker 3: this way, you have to look this way, you have

722
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Speaker 3: to lead this way, you have to act this way when.

723
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Speaker 5: A lot of great players don't.

724
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Speaker 3: And no, I don't know if like Drake may is

725
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Speaker 3: going to rattle off six super Bowls. You know, he

726
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Speaker 3: might not have that kind of maniacal drive.

727
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Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe he does it, most people don't,

728
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Speaker 5: but like can he still be great?

729
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Speaker 2: And the question, well, the question is that I guess

730
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Speaker 2: the crux of my question is do you need the

731
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Speaker 2: maniacal drive to be among the greatest of the greats.

732
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Speaker 7: I would say I think there needs to be something special.

733
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Speaker 7: I think there has to be competitiveness.

734
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

735
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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes comes in out of shape every single last season,

736
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Speaker 3: So like I like, if you're just if we're gonna

737
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Speaker 3: like go by, like what happens now? I don't know, Like,

738
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Speaker 3: no one's gonna win seven Super Bowls a right, like

739
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Speaker 3: that's that somebody someday?

740
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Speaker 8: Will someone's gonna do it?

741
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

742
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Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know.

743
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Speaker 3: I mean maybe, but like let's not hold it to

744
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: that standard, right, so like, you know, I don't know

745
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: if you can like Patrick mahomess won three right, and

746
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: I don't think that Patrick Mahomes has the same Like

747
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: he's not on some TB twelve diet where he doesn't

748
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 3: eat a sugar for.

749
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Speaker 9: At this stage of Mahomes' career, neither was Brady. Brady

750
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 9: was chucking beers with the lineman at this stage.

751
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Speaker 5: Of yeah, they were water a lot of the time.

752
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I like I I just that's my point though,

753
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: is like I don't know, like I think Patrick Mahomes

754
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: is probably wired in a different way than a lot

755
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: of people from a competitive speed or the standpoint is

756
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: his drive to win in games and things like that,

757
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure is off the charts.

758
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Speaker 5: But you can't ignore that guy.

759
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 3: But I don't look at him and be like that

760
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: guy all he does twelve months out of the year

761
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: is train and focus on football. Like I don't think

762
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Speaker 3: that that's true, which is fine, Like I'm not knocking

763
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: him for it, but I just don't think that that's true.

764
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean some guys like him have. I would

765
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Speaker 2: say he has more pure talent than Tom Brady, which

766
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Speaker 2: is pretty amazing because Tom Brady's pretty damn talent.

767
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Speaker 7: To Paul's point, is missing the playoffs this year and

768
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Speaker 7: feeling like they're gonna have to reset a little bit,

769
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Speaker 7: does that maybe inspire him to change his regime a

770
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Speaker 7: little bit?

771
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Speaker 5: Yeah, career.

772
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Speaker 2: You know, there was a point in Brady's career about

773
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Speaker 2: now ye where Brady realized, if I'm going to keep

774
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Speaker 2: this up, I need to do something in order to

775
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, extend my career.

776
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Speaker 1: I felt like his body was starting to break down

777
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Speaker 1: a little bit.

778
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Speaker 7: Remember six he started wearing that thing, and then you know,

779
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 7: Guerrero came in and that was what he needed.

780
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Speaker 1: But I mean, I agree with what There's no one

781
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Speaker 1: way to do it.

782
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Speaker 7: It's just I think there's a certain vibe that you

783
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Speaker 7: get from guys and a certain point, guys like Josh

784
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 7: Allen Mahomes, regardless of what we see them do during

785
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Speaker 7: the off season, you know that they're going to be

786
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 7: a nightmare just for sixteen minutes.

787
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Speaker 2: And I don't think it's just sports. I just find like,

788
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: whether it's business or whatever, science, you know, inventors, entrepreneurs,

789
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: like the top echelon guys and women have that's something

790
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: that's different there.

791
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Speaker 6: They might be.

792
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: Crazy, I crazy nuts or whatever, but there's something that

793
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Speaker 2: puts them above.

794
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Speaker 3: I think Drake May is maniacally competitive. I think that

795
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: that comes from his brothers and being the youngest and

796
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: getting beat down a lot as a as a kid,

797
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: and things like that.

798
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Speaker 5: By his brothers.

799
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Speaker 3: You know, like there's been a lot of stories on

800
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: the beat of you know, cards, ping pong, golf, basketball,

801
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: like just playing pick up basketball, and he's like trying to,

802
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: you know, tear somebody's head off, right like things like that,

803
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: And I think he he has that element. I just

804
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: don't know if he is like a demonstrative wear your

805
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: heart on your sleeve barking at people. And maybe like

806
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: that will happen eight to ten years from now, in

807
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 3: the second chapter of his career, when he becomes a

808
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: little bit more you know, older, more mature, more sure

809
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 3: of himself, that sort of thing. I think it's hard

810
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: to do that as a as a twenty three year old.

811
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Speaker 2: So el Elf from Wisconsin once again has completely misunderstood

812
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He says, just because someone isn't screaming

813
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: at their team doesn't mean they don't care.

814
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 6: I agree with that, but if you're the leader of

815
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 6: the team.

816
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: If you're the quarterback and your head's down and totally

817
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: within yourself in the toughest of times, that's not helping

818
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: the team.

819
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, and can we also just add I don't think

820
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 9: anybody suggested that he.

821
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: Didn't care right now, I'm not saying I didn't care.

822
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: So once again, el got it all wrong.

823
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Speaker 6: He does that.

824
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: He does that a lot.

825
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 8: But that's a little aggressive, I think.

826
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: Also, I know, but he does that a lot. It's

827
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: a big time. Listen, No, I don't of course he cares.

828
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Of course he cares. But you're my quarterback. I need

829
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: I need you to be the the guy that others

830
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: are looking to.

831
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Speaker 6: And if you're looking.

832
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Speaker 1: Down, I think it was like what's going on? Five?

833
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 7: Six Brady was The body language is a huge thing

834
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 7: with Brady. I think it was six where it was.

835
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 7: That was like a notable talking point of that his

836
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 7: body languages.

837
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: That's right.

838
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 9: I spent half the season pouting, right, Yes, they got

839
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 9: rid of all right.

840
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 5: Did the same thing in nineteen.

841
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm just saying what happened.

842
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they made the playoffs and they're the

843
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: worst twelve and fourteen of all time. But I think

844
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Speaker 3: that the good thing about the Rabel Drake made tandem

845
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: is that Rabel is this alpha kind of personality and

846
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 3: leader that we're talking about, and maybe he can either

847
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: get it out of Drake May, if that's really what

848
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: you need, or maybe he can kind of supplement like

849
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 3: Brady supplemented Belichick, who wasn't necessarily you know, the leader

850
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: of men that you know, Mike Rabel is, but was

851
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: a genius when it came to the you know, the

852
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: football aspects of it. So I think that they're you know,

853
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: they hopefully will kind of combine forces here and you know,

854
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: be able to get that out of everybody. But the

855
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: guy that everybody looks to when things are not going

856
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: well might be the head coach. Like that might just

857
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: be the type of team that they are and the

858
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 3: way they're wired.

859
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Speaker 2: Joe says, all year long, May would pick up his

860
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: team when they started slow, So please don't judge his

861
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: whole year by one game. Yeah it's fair.

862
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah fair.

863
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Now, I just say, I don't know.

864
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 7: I was wondering how you guys felt after other Super

865
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 7: Bowl losses, but this loss left me much more excited

866
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 7: and ready to get right back into it than other losses.

867
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 7: Now that all those other losses were you know, mid

868
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 7: Brady mid dynasty, where you knew that each team.

869
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Was pretty but like it still just feels like you're

870
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: just getting started.

871
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 7: And that's why, Yeah, you took some you know, lumps

872
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 7: last week with people talking about the team, But how

873
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 7: can you not be excited about this team and the

874
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 7: direction that they're going. And I know that they have

875
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 7: holes and things to figure out, but the job that

876
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 7: they did last year just gives me a lot of confidence.

877
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 7: And to see Drake and how he progresses with all

878
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 7: these He's got all the tools in the world. We're

879
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 7: able saying all the right things to him, and I

880
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 7: you know, and I hope this isn't coming off as

881
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 7: us like nitpicking Drake, Like, yeah, there's things that he needs,

882
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 7: but he's still a young kid. I still don't think

883
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 7: there's really many other quarterbacks I'd rather have in the

884
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 7: league than him. And just overall, coming out of this season,

885
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Speaker 7: I'm enthusiastic about the whole operation.

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Speaker 6: That's our quarterback. That's our quarterback, our quarterback.

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Speaker 7: The other one, though, too always think about, the one

888
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Speaker 7: people use is that they don't believe in us, Like

889
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Speaker 7: I've known people who that's their thing. Like, no matter

890
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 7: how much success they have, it's always about how no

891
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 7: one believes in them. They're never like, dude, you've directed

892
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 7: movies and you're still selling me this thing about nobody

893
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 7: believes in you. But that's just I think certain people

894
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 7: have certain devices that they use, like Rodney Harrison, that

895
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Speaker 7: you know, nobody believes and that's.

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Speaker 1: How they get themselves to that place.

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Speaker 2: Yep, all right, A five to five PATS five hundred

898
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Speaker 2: is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the

899
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Speaker 2: email address. We've already read a few of those emails.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to the phones. We'll start with Danny in Tampa.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Danny.

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Speaker 12: Here are you guys doing today?

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Speaker 4: Okay, hey, first take I want to give. I want

904
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Speaker 4: to pick a bone with with Paul to give. But

905
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Speaker 4: I did not say last week.

906
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Speaker 13: I think somebody was talking about the offensive line was

907
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 13: saying that we wanted to either remake.

908
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Speaker 4: The whole line.

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Speaker 13: And then also to the other point, I did not

910
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Speaker 13: say that it was my money.

911
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Speaker 4: It was Robert Krafts money.

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Speaker 12: I don't have a problem.

913
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Speaker 13: Paying paying Christians als.

914
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Speaker 4: I'm just saying.

915
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Speaker 13: That they probably should do a Kyler Murray type of

916
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Speaker 13: deal where they kind of word some things in the

917
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 13: contract where he needs to kind of meet deliver to

918
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Speaker 13: certain expectations.

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Speaker 4: If he wants to bag.

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Speaker 8: The other thing is, well, then you're not going to

921
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Speaker 8: sign him, Mike.

922
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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're either going to.

923
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Speaker 9: Give him money guaranteed or not. That's up to you.

924
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 9: But I don't remember someone. I don't remember who, but

925
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 9: someone last Tuesday said they wanted to change the whole

926
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Speaker 9: offensive line. If that wasn't you, I don't think I

927
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 9: assigned that to you. But someone called in and said

928
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 9: they wanted to change all five guys in the offensive line.

929
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 13: And I also have a caller on crime to the

931
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Speaker 13: guy that called in was ticking on eld.

932
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Speaker 4: And Christian in La.

933
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Speaker 12: I think he needs to call in.

934
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Speaker 13: Don't sit behind the keyboard and be a keyboard warrior.

935
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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go, Danny, bring it, Danny, there.

936
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Speaker 5: You go, keyboard warriors.

937
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Speaker 1: All right, PU fight Club.

938
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Speaker 2: We'll just do like I don't mind people writing it,

939
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: but give your real name and where you're from. No

940
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Speaker 2: anonymous names. If you if you've got to criticize others,

941
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: and if I hear what Danny said.

942
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Speaker 9: If I assigned that to Danny, then then I'm wrong.

943
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Speaker 9: I don't remember assigning it to anybody in particular, but

944
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Speaker 9: somebody last Tuesday wanted to change the entire of the

945
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Speaker 9: offensive line.

946
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Speaker 7: I was like, you know, they just did that me

947
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 7: and that than we're talking about, like, here's my simple

948
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 7: seventy two point plan to fix the Patriots this offseason

949
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 7: where you're like cutting, restructuring, signing, cutting, resigning, like.

950
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Speaker 9: And I don't really know why Gonzo would be in

951
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 9: a Kyler Marty category, where like, is it is this.

952
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Speaker 2: Like prove it?

953
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Speaker 8: Well, what does he prove it?

954
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: Like?

955
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Speaker 8: Does he not watch film?

956
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 9: Like like he.

957
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 8: Had to put the video games away? Right, Yeah, if

958
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 8: you don't want to sign him, if.

959
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Speaker 3: That's if you want divisions Like I have never heard

960
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: anything even remotely like that about Christian Zalees. So I've actually, uh,

961
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: justin Hamilton, their cornerbacks coach, that he's one of the

962
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 3: smartest players he's ever had. You know, a guy that

963
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: just has ridiculous memory of like they put something on

964
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Speaker 3: the board and he's going to remember it, you know,

965
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 3: and it's just stuck in his brain. I don't think

966
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: that he's anything work ethic.

967
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: Is it any sort of question Nate's and Connecticut, we

968
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Speaker 2: can hear.

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Speaker 14: You, Okay, all right, good, good, good good. So Tyreek

970
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 14: Hill getting released is obviously any big in the NFL.

971
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 14: And with the situation that Stefan Diggs is currently in

972
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 14: with all the legal issue and then also us having

973
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Speaker 14: the ability to off that out of the contract, do.

974
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Speaker 12: You guys think that it's like a noble.

975
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 14: Possible decision that he's come to the team.

976
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm good one thing that I can.

977
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 6: I don't think.

978
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to get into the Tyreek Hill.

979
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 8: No, I don't want any part of that.

980
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: No.

981
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: I don't know why we keep on glossing over the

982
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: fact that the last time we saw him he has

983
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 3: suffered a gruesome knee injury that like no one has,

984
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 3: like we're all should we try to sign Trek? Is

985
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: Tyrek Hill going to even play in twenty twenty six

986
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: because that was a brutal injury And.

987
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 9: Even if he plays, you're talking about similar off field

988
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 9: I mean worse, worse, but similar kinds of in terms

989
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 9: of severity, much more frequent with Tyreek Hill than with

990
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 9: Stefan Diggs. Evan talked about the injury situation, so he's

991
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 9: also getting a little bit older. Yeah, I mean I

992
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 9: I would just keep Diggs if you're going to do.

993
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 8: I think he's that whole thing.

994
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he's four months removed from that injury. I

995
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 3: think I saw it as at least another six to

996
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: go until he's healthy. So like you're talking about adding

997
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 3: him mid season anyways, to whichever team signs him. On top,

998
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: you know, on top of all the stuff that Paul's

999
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: talking about.

1000
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 6: What about Bradley Chubb because they got rid of him

1001
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 6: too injuries.

1002
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 5: He did not look like the same player to me.

1003
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Speaker 3: You had that big injury in twenty twenty three, missed

1004
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: the entire twenty twenty four season, and last year I

1005
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 3: didn't think he looked quite the same. Now, if that's

1006
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: like a consolation, because you kind of strike out on

1007
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: your first couple of choices.

1008
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 8: Like someone better than that.

1009
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 9: But I wouldn't mind him as a as a depth guy.

1010
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: If he's like your situational.

1011
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 5: Guy, or if like that's like plan C, D E F.

1012
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 9: Like you know, like I've always liked Bradley Chubb. I

1013
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 9: agree with everything you haven't just said about him. But

1014
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 9: I you look at what they had this year. I

1015
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 9: wouldn't mind him like in that Chase On role, but

1016
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 9: you need someone over that. Like we all thought Chase

1017
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 9: On is gonna be a situational passacch who turned out

1018
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 9: to be pretty much an every down player. I don't

1019
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 9: want Bradley Chubb playing every down.

1020
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 7: No, they got to figure out that position. I mean,

1021
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 7: I'd love to add a free agent. I'd like to

1022
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 7: draft a rookie in the first two days, you know,

1023
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 7: redo that whole thing, get some young legs, some reliability,

1024
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 7: might have to take a half step back.

1025
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm curious with Chase On.

1026
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he's gonna have interest, and I

1027
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 7: think he might take the most money.

1028
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: Edges from everywhere. Like there's free agent edges, there's Cosby

1029
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: who is candidate.

1030
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: There, give me him please.

1031
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 3: You know, probably about fifteen guys in the draft that

1032
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: are going to go on the top one hundred. I

1033
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 3: mean it is the edge Mucket market is very robust.

1034
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: But the question like does that end up hurting some

1035
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: of guy?

1036
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 7: So it's just gonna ask yeah, Like like somebody's gonna say,

1037
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 7: why am I gonna pay Chase chase On right now?

1038
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Speaker 1: When I got You know.

1039
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Speaker 9: When you have a draft class like this, it kind

1040
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 9: of hurts the free agents because what would you rather have?

1041
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: It's and it's a good free agency last too. I

1042
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: mean there's there's guys like Chase on a kind of mafe,

1043
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 3: you know. There there's a lot of guys that are

1044
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 3: going to kind of be part of this march.

1045
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Speaker 2: Well after the break, maybe Paul down. Yeah, so you know,

1046
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Speaker 2: it might be the off season for football, but tax

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1057
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Speaker 2: More calls and emails. Paul's got some free agent info

1058
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1102
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 17: without talking about that before his Patriots career.

1103
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: Anything that gets me back to high school. Matt.

1104
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 18: That's great, right, thanks for joining us.

1105
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: Man.

1106
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 6: This has gone a privilege.

1107
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: You know, I walk in this.

1108
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 10: Stadium and I'm cracking up because I'm back in the eighties, right,

1109
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 10: And when I walked up to Sullivan Stadium, you know,

1110
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 10: we didn't have no film room like this, right, wasn't even.

1111
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: The thought back then.

1112
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 18: Right.

1113
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 17: But Craig, you said you were here last June. Explain that.

1114
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 17: Why were you here for Tom Brady Day?

1115
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 10: Well, I got to get the invitation to come in

1116
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 10: for the Brady celebration, which was just remarkable. But I

1117
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 10: wanted to see Dante Scarnekia because Scar and I we

1118
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 10: were back together at SMU. He was here when I

1119
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 10: was playing for the Patriots. He was, you know, like

1120
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 10: a legend. He's been here since before Billy Sullivan bought

1121
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 10: the team.

1122
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: Right.

1123
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 10: Scar's just one of those legendary guys. And I got

1124
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 10: a chance to speak with him and see him. But

1125
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 10: what a great night that was. I was so proud

1126
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 10: to be an alum. What a privilege to be a

1127
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 10: part of the Patriots organization. I sent a handwritten note

1128
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 10: to mister Kraft and just said, man, what an awesome

1129
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 10: night and a display of the fans. The fans here

1130
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 10: in New England showed off last year absolutely lutely.

1131
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 9: We were really happy with the way that whole night

1132
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 9: because a lot of people in the organization had a

1133
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 9: lot of things, a lot, you know, a lot to

1134
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 9: do with that. So we felt like that was a

1135
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 9: really strong night for the entire organization and I'm glad

1136
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 9: that so many you know, alums came back for that.

1137
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 9: There was a lot of people from a lot of

1138
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 9: different eras that took part in that, and I think

1139
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 9: it was a huge success.

1140
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 10: Well well, you know, it's it's like I had a

1141
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 10: chance to see Tony Collins and Doug Flute and a

1142
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 10: bunch of my teammates that I had not seen in years.

1143
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 10: You know, you have to walk up nowadays, forty years

1144
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 10: later and say, hey, Craig James, see who are you?

1145
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 17: And I tell you what, Craig, I'm not like you

1146
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 17: don't look a little bit different. You look like Craig James.

1147
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 17: Maybe so maybe your hair's a little lighter, but that's

1148
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 17: about it. I was joking with you before we started

1149
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 17: that Eric could give you ten or fifteen steps.

1150
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 18: I wonder if there's a half back option play that

1151
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 18: you don't know, maybe one that you could do if

1152
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 18: you know, pitch it out there.

1153
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 17: I think it could probably still get a first down

1154
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 17: off of that kind of shit.

1155
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'd be really good with pregame

1156
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: warm up and pat go.

1157
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 10: If somebody hit me, I would cry, that's funny, Like

1158
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 10: I said, to kick things off.

1159
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 17: I think people here in New England are somewhat versed

1160
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 17: on the legend of how it began. But the idea

1161
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 17: that two kids who went to high school in Texas

1162
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 17: to the best at their position could be recruited and

1163
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 17: play for the same college and be so prolific. I mean,

1164
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 17: that story never gets old, doesn't. The Pony Express at SMU.

1165
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 10: With you and Eric Dickerson, We've been nearly fifty years friends,

1166
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 10: we love each other, We're like brothers. And the fact

1167
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 10: that now we can look back on it and realize

1168
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 10: what we did was really unique. And someone asked me

1169
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 10: the media made a big deal about it. I had

1170
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 10: won the vincelent Bardi NFL Offensive Player of the Year

1171
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 10: the year after Eric had been the NFL MVP, and

1172
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 10: they said, how to two guys go to the same

1173
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 10: team in Dallas at SMU, How did that happen?

1174
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: I said, well, it was Dallas.

1175
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 10: It was Ron Meyer, head coach at the time, a

1176
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 10: lot of energy, but it just, you know, as Eric

1177
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 10: and I say the Pony Express, we were better together.

1178
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 9: So did you ever have any trepidation, you know, being

1179
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 9: a running back, there's only one guy that's going to

1180
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 9: get the carry.

1181
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure that both you and.

1182
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 9: Eric felt like you were the man coming out of

1183
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 9: high school. Was there any concerns that you were going

1184
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 9: to be able to share the backfield together and be

1185
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 9: as successful as you were?

1186
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 10: He had rushed for over two thousand yards as a senior.

1187
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 10: We were different classifications in Texas. Both of our teams

1188
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 10: had one state championships, so we both thought we were

1189
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 10: pretty good. We're both all Americans, we get to SMU.

1190
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 10: Ron Meyer made it work, you know. He convinced us

1191
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 10: that you guys are going to be fresher for your

1192
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 10: twenty carries each per game.

1193
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: I think he averaged twenty, averaged.

1194
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 10: Nineteen, and so now that we look back on it,

1195
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 10: it really helped. Eric says it tremendously that it helped

1196
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 10: him prolong his career. He wouldn't beat up when he

1197
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 10: got there, so he was able to play longer, and so, yeah,

1198
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 10: we could have been selfish, but we also recognized that

1199
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 10: in the third and fourth quarter defenses were worn out.

1200
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 10: And Eric and I say to each other on the sideline, Hey,

1201
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 10: they're dragon, they're tired. We got him and you just

1202
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 10: couldn't keep up with both of us. It's kind of weird, though,

1203
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 10: isn't it.

1204
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 17: I mean, like to your poke, Yeah, there's not too

1205
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 17: many people who are the guy who are going and

1206
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 17: some going to be the guy, and I the can

1207
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 17: subjugate the ego, would say, I think it might be

1208
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 17: better for the team, for our careers and everything physically.

1209
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 18: Like that to split this.

1210
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 10: We were friends. Had we not been friends, it would

1211
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 10: have never worked. There, you go, It's truly. I mean,

1212
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 10: we have never had one cross word with each other,

1213
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 10: no bad thought, even to this day. And so other

1214
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 10: than when he beats me really bad in golf, he's

1215
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 10: a great golfer.

1216
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 9: So the thing that I like about this is it

1217
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 9: sort of starts in the reason why the Pony Express

1218
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 9: is obviously a really interesting story for a lot of

1219
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 9: reasons and a lot of people, but for the Patriots specifically,

1220
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 9: Ron Meyer is there and he ends up coming to

1221
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 9: New England, and we talked about a little bit like

1222
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 9: it's like kind of like that first chapter of the

1223
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 9: story for the Patriots, like Ron Meyer, what did he

1224
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 9: mean to you, you know at SMU and then when

1225
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 9: he when he ends up coming here and you eventually

1226
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 9: come as well.

1227
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 10: Ron Meyer was not an EXS and I xCE and

1228
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 10: O guy. I mean, he knew he knew football, but

1229
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 10: he was a talent guy, and he knew he knew

1230
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 10: great assistant coaches, and he had a staff that was phenomenal.

1231
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 10: Steve said, well, Dante Garnekia, there was a whole all

1232
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 10: of them were world class coaches, assistant coaches, and he

1233
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 10: made them make sure we knew what we were doing

1234
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 10: as athletes. And he knew an athlete, and so he

1235
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 10: knew what you could or could not do, and he'd

1236
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 10: put you in position to have success. And so Ron

1237
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 10: really had a you know, Unfortunately, him getting fired, you know,

1238
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 10: led to Raymond Berry, which was a blessing for the organization.

1239
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 10: But Ron got it started, you know, with the assistant

1240
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 10: coaches that he brought in here, like Dante Scarnekia, who's

1241
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 10: in the.

1242
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 17: Team Hall of Fame, who's had an unbelievable career, Craig

1243
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 17: could did you see some of that? Did you as

1244
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 17: a kid who's played at college, did you see this

1245
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 17: world class coaching staff? And then specifically what did Scar

1246
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 17: help meet you for the two years that you and

1247
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 17: Dante were together at SMU.

1248
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 10: I don't think as a young athlete that you appreciate

1249
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 10: what the coach is doing until that's not happening, and

1250
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 10: then especially when you get down the road and you

1251
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 10: can look back and reflect and say, well, why don't

1252
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 10: we doing this? Nothing against the system when I came

1253
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 10: in here as a rookie, but we had a really

1254
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 10: hard time.

1255
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 18: Very complicated pass protection scheme.

1256
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 10: I've got sam, I've got strong safety, I've got that,

1257
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 10: But if then I've got that, when you get a

1258
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 10: football player thinking you've got problems.

1259
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: You got sacks.

1260
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 10: And so Scar cleaned that up. He just said, look,

1261
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 10: let's let's simplify this thing. Let's make sure we know

1262
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 10: who we're going to block. If you can't do that,

1263
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 10: then you can't be successful. So as I look back

1264
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 10: on it now, the assistant coaches that Ron Meyer had

1265
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 10: and that Raymond Berry had, that Belichick had, every one

1266
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 10: of them had a job and a role and a responsibility.

1267
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 10: They were really good at it. You got to have

1268
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 10: Jimmy's to have the Joe's, but you got to have

1269
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 10: the coaches.

1270
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 9: So when you came out of SMU and decided to,

1271
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 9: you know, to get into the draft, it was USFL first.

1272
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: I think it was the Washington Federals. Yep. What was

1273
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: behind that decision to go that zero.

1274
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 10: I had been told by my agent that this USFL

1275
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 10: was going to have a draft. A few days after

1276
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 10: we played in the Cotton Bowl, I'd gone home to Houston.

1277
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 10: I get a phone call from my agent. He says, Hey,

1278
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 10: they select you the fourth player taken in the USFL draft. Wow, okay,

1279
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 10: he said, we have to go to Washington out of respect.

1280
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1281
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: Let's go up out of respect.

1282
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 10: Within moments of being around this ownership group in Washington,

1283
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 10: I realized they were very serious about what they were doing,

1284
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 10: and it was it was significantly more money than I

1285
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 10: would have been sloughed. I knew it was going to

1286
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 10: be a first rounder in the NFL, or was projected

1287
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 10: to be. But I was like, I like the idea

1288
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 10: of pioneering, you know.

1289
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: It was.

1290
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 18: It was a great spirit.

1291
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 10: There was a ton of great football players obviously absolutely

1292
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 10: went to the USF. Yeah, I'm glad that happened because

1293
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 10: it led me to playing for New England had I

1294
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 10: not played there where Ron then they started taking USFL

1295
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 10: players in the seventh round so that they would have

1296
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 10: the rights for US if that league boobs. Yeah, and

1297
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 10: to thank God that I was able to get away

1298
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 10: from there and to play for the New England Patriots.

1299
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 10: So it was a blessing and now great moments in.

1300
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: History. Good lobster bisk is sex is like sex for

1301
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: your throat.

1302
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 6: I do remember saying that. I do remember saying.

1303
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 2: That I don't.

1304
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 8: But that's even funnier.

1305
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 6: Than is like sex for your throat.

1306
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 8: Plus I was Dan, Yeah, don't.

1307
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt Dan. If you're looking for a good

1308
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 2: lobster bisc on the Cape, the Daniel Webster in Sandwich

1309
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 2: has an excellent.

1310
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 19: Okay lobster bisc You have the place down the cape.

1311
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 19: Oh yeah for everything. Well, if you haven't noticed, they

1312
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 19: eat out a lot because I don't cook. But my

1313
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 19: wife doesn't really particularly enjoy it either, so we eat

1314
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 19: out a lot.

1315
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 8: But yeah, my wife and I eat out a lot too.

1316
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I enjoy the whole thing about eating out.

1317
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: I do you know, I like to sitting down, getting

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Speaker 2: a drink, placing the water.

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Speaker 9: I just like, you know what I really like when

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Speaker 9: I'm like a like a Saturday night, especially in the summer,

1321
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 9: if it's nice out, you get to a place on

1322
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 9: the water and your table's not ready, and you go

1323
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 9: to the bar and have you know, maybe a couple

1324
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 9: of drinks while you're waiting for your table. Yeah, And

1325
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 9: that that to me is like, see, I don't cut

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Speaker 9: this a couple offs.

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Speaker 2: I don't like that for.

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Speaker 6: Me, I don't like it.

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 2: I don't like having to be in a place where

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00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: I know I'm going to have to move as soon

1331
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: as they call my name. I like to just be

1332
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 2: where I'm going to be and settle in. You fat,

1333
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 2: that's not about lazy.

1334
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 5: I don't want to move.

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Speaker 17: That's another great moment from all.

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Speaker 2: Right back here and page It's unfiltered A five to five.

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Speaker 2: Pats five hundred is the hotline podcast at Patriots dot

1338
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: com is the email address talking about a bunch of stuff,

1339
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 2: leadership and free agents, and as I said before the break,

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Speaker 2: Paul has an extensive.

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Speaker 8: List there are a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: Of all the free agents we started talking about edge rushers,

1343
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 2: now you have them in alphabetical order, not by ability. Well,

1344
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: we don't care about whose whose name begins with A.

1345
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: We want to know who.

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Speaker 9: I have them ranked by position too. But there's there's

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00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 9: a lot of veterans on. You know, the big names

1348
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 9: are veterans, So those aren't veterans on your own time,

1349
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 9: like the Joey Bosa's and the Kyle van Nois of

1350
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 9: the world. No one's really interested in those guys, you know.

1351
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 9: Aj Epanessa kind of been a disappointment in Buffalo, Joe Tryon,

1352
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 9: Trey Hendrickson, big name on the list, obviously. Evan talked

1353
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Speaker 9: about a few a few other guys that that could

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00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 9: be of interest. One of them as Kingsley nig if

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00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 9: I'm pronouncing, I think it's right.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Arnold Gay, I don't think he's he's here. Yeah,

1357
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 3: he's there, He's he was Penn Stake guy. Uh, yeah,

1358
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: he's he's a good player. I'd be interested in him.

1359
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 3: He's kind of like their type, you know, hard charging

1360
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: edge rusher, gets up the field, like you know, has

1361
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: a good speed off the ball and not not a

1362
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: He's more of a you know, situational pass rusher for

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00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: a lot of teams, but not a type of guy

1364
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: that you're going to get to, like set the edge

1365
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: and stop the run.

1366
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Speaker 5: You want him to get up the field.

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Speaker 9: There's a few other names here that I you know,

1368
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 9: kind of been disappointments, but high draft it, like Quitty Pay.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm thinking of guys that are kind of

1370
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Speaker 9: still young and they're available, probably because they haven't necessarily

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00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 9: been home runs for their team. Oda Fame Olway who

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Speaker 9: got traded from Baltimore to the Chargers last year.

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Speaker 8: You know, those guys are somewhat intriguing to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Like I said, there's a ton of a ton of

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00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 9: veterans on this list too that I wouldn't be necessarily interested.

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Speaker 9: You know, Jayden Phillips, Jalen Phillips in Philadelphia went to

1378
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Speaker 9: Miami to Philly. Another guy fifty year five years in

1379
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Speaker 9: in Evans, guy boy A Mafe, another young guy.

1380
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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of names.

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Speaker 3: Like Boyfe to me, be Day, I'm going to butcher

1382
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: his name all off season. Those guys are like coming

1383
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Speaker 3: off their rookie contracts.

1384
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Speaker 2: Yeah, A Dalyss Thomas.

1385
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're like twenty six ish, you know, like

1386
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 3: they're right off their very sweet contract. They're not talking

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Speaker 3: about signing like Joey Bosa, for example, who's in his

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Speaker 3: thirties already. We're talking about guys that are hopefully kind

1389
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 3: of like Chason, you know, a guy that that may

1390
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Speaker 3: be a sending and might have his best football still.

1391
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Speaker 2: So a guy that's not on the list because he's

1392
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Speaker 2: not a free agent but he's been in trade talks

1393
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 2: is of course. Uh Max Crosby Yeah, and uh, you know,

1394
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 2: Albert Breer reported and he's not the only one. I

1395
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: guess he sat down with Raiders and they had a,

1396
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, a good talk. But Albert Breer says he

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01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: thinks he's more liable to believe than ever. I disagree.

1398
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Speaker 2: I think he's more liable to stay than ever with

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Speaker 2: the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: How many more times is he going to go through

1401
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Speaker 3: a Raiders rebuild? Like this has got to be his

1402
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 3: third or fourth coach? I mean, McDaniel's Pete Carroll, Quinn

1403
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: kubi act. There's got to be at least one more

1404
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Speaker 3: before that, right, Antonio Pierce. Antonio Pierce, and there's another

1405
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Speaker 3: one before.

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Speaker 9: That yeah, the filling guy, the guy that the guy

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Speaker 9: that Antonio Piers replaced.

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Speaker 2: Though, is that it was that?

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Speaker 9: I think he was just an interesting Yeah, I'm talking

1410
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Speaker 9: about like but yes, they went to the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: With Derek Carr.

1412
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Speaker 3: Earlier on in Derek Carr's career. But I mean, like

1413
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Speaker 3: how many more regime Chan.

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Speaker 1: Played.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, I just think at some point, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, now is the time to sell him to you

1417
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 7: still get high high pick for him. I feel like,

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01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 7: you know, a couple of years from now, he's going

1419
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 7: to start be on the backside, right.

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Speaker 2: Max and Mike and Groveland said, would your guys prefer

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson over trading assets for Max Crosby.

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Speaker 7: No, I would trade assets John Gruden, John Gruden and

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Speaker 7: Jack del Rio.

1424
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: I think played for Jack del Rio for like a year.

1425
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: It's like five coaches easily for Max Crosby.

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01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, change the scenery. It's time.

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Speaker 7: Sick of Vegas. I don't know I take him though.

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Speaker 7: I think it's the kind of movie you gotta make.

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01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 7: You got to make at least one or two of those.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's you know points to when Rabel coached him in

1431
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Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. They got to know each other and uh,

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Speaker 2: Max Crosby was saying, you know, he was a real

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Speaker 2: good dude, And.

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Speaker 7: I mean the fit is obvious across the board of

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 7: you know, on the field, off the field, and that's

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Speaker 7: what you got to do this offseason. You got to

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01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 7: make this team better on paper. I know that doesn't

1438
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 7: always count for what you think it's going to count for,

1439
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 7: but I think you have to come out of this

1440
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 7: free agency period feeling like they got a couple dudes

1441
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Speaker 7: on the team.

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Speaker 3: I think you just have to figure out like if

1443
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 3: is that because that's going to be your big swing,

1444
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 3: Like if you go out and trade a first round

1445
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,479
Speaker 3: pack for Max Crosby, that's your splash, that's your move.

1446
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: And making that on defense when the offense just couldn't

1447
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: move the ball the entire playoff run, Really, like is

1448
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Speaker 3: that really where the big.

1449
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 6: What do you think his market will be?

1450
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Speaker 2: Because right now we have the thirty first pick in

1451
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 2: the first round, Right are there other teams with higher

1452
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: first round picks? Who a would be willing to give

1453
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 2: up that pick and be looking for somebody like Max Crosby,

1454
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 2: Like who's our competition?

1455
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Speaker 9: So, according to Breer, he indicated that virtually the entire

1456
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 9: league is over real, has looked in.

1457
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you know, yeah, looked into it.

1458
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Speaker 5: A player of that caliber, everybody's going to be interested.

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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, I want him for Buffalo Singers and

1460
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Speaker 7: I want him for here. But I think both their

1461
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 7: edges are out. With Bosa's up and the other guy

1462
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Speaker 7: you mentioned that they drafted out their other edge, I

1463
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 7: mean they need yeah.

1464
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I just like I said, like, if

1465
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: you're really thinking about it, what were the reasons why

1466
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: they they didn't finish the job and win the Super Bowl?

1467
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 5: It wasn't pass rush, it was offense offense.

1468
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Speaker 3: And so if that is not only the big swing

1469
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: you're doing by trading thirty one, but you're also paying

1470
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Speaker 3: him top dollar at the top of the market, does

1471
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Speaker 3: that help Drake may put up points.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And I'm glad you mentioned that because I think

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Speaker 9: last week I had mentioned that he had I think

1474
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 9: a thirty million I think he's on the books for

1475
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 9: thirty million base salary, and I thought he had one

1476
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 9: more year of guaranteed. But I think I'm wrong on that.

1477
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 9: I think I had the year mixed up. I saw

1478
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 9: something over the weekend in ESPN that the guaranteed money

1479
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 9: is through, So it is you know, the chance that

1480
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 9: you could make that trade and maybe rework something, you know,

1481
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 9: to to lower the cap number, But it's gonna I

1482
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 9: don't think you're gonna lower the that you're paying him.

1483
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 8: I'm just talking about the cap number.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think you bring up a good point.

1485
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 7: And it's what I've been thinking about a lot, is

1486
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 7: what is the most direct route and easiest route to

1487
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 7: upgrade for Drake?

1488
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: You know? Do you do?

1489
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: You do?

1490
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 7: You say, if we just protect this kid, you know

1491
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 7: we're gonna be okay. Maybe we don't have to at

1492
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 7: this point make the huge swing on a thirty something

1493
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 7: year old receiver to give him that number one? Do

1494
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 7: you focus on the offensive liner? You know, I've been saying,

1495
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 7: look at tight end two? You know, is there a

1496
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 7: developmental way to find a player who can become a

1497
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 7: significant weapon for Drake May and that second tight ends.

1498
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 6: But I think when you.

1499
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: Look at tight end wide receivers an offensive line, you

1500
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: have to say we could use upgrades everywhere. Yeah, yeah,

1501
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: how can you not?

1502
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 9: And I don't want a thirty something guy, but I

1503
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 9: want an upgraded receiver.

1504
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just how who you know, it's just so hard.

1505
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 7: It's like it's great to say it would be great

1506
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 7: to get jamar Ches, but you know, like this is

1507
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 7: what this five.

1508
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 9: But I think you can upgrade with different guys that

1509
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 9: don't necessarily have to be at that caliber. And I

1510
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 9: think you need to keep keep drafting. Yeah, and I

1511
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 9: think you need to keep taking your swings and see

1512
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 9: if you can find somebody like everybody else seems to

1513
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 9: find that really hits in those day two per So in.

1514
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 2: McDaniel's scheme, is it worth sacrificing maybe a little bit

1515
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: of top end talent with high end smarts football IQ

1516
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: in the wide receiver position.

1517
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

1518
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 8: I mean I need I need Mike's dudes.

1519
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: We need players. Yeah, you need guys with talent.

1520
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: I think a bigger question is is what kind of

1521
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: receiver are you looking for? Are you looking to replace

1522
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 3: Stefan Diggs ones and like, are you looking for a

1523
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: guy that can play a little bit probably more on

1524
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 3: the inside and run routes inside the middle of the field,

1525
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 3: or you're looking for a guy that's going to take

1526
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: the top off, or you're looking for, you know, Denzel

1527
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: Boston in the draft, just a big body, you know,

1528
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 3: X receiver that's going to catch everything thrown his way. Like,

1529
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 3: what exactly are you looking for in terms of type?

1530
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 3: Is that mcdaniels's call is that Drake May's skill set

1531
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 3: and trying to fit it to Drake May's skill set?

1532
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 2: Can we start with someone who gets open consistently and

1533
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 2: catches the ball and then figure it out later? Well,

1534
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: but I think, I mean, do we have to like

1535
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 2: fit in a guy?

1536
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 3: So the only way that that works though, it's like

1537
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: if you start to get into that, you're talking about

1538
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: proven commodities like trading for aj Brown, which like no

1539
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 3: one's going to sit here and say no to and

1540
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: no one's going to be confused as to where he's

1541
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 3: going to play and all that.

1542
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 5: Like, you get Aj Brown, you figure it out.

1543
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 3: But when you start to talk about the draft and

1544
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: you start talking about drafting a guy thirty one, like

1545
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 3: the type of receiver and the system fit and all

1546
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff matters because the talent isn't going

1547
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: to be off the charts. It's not Jamar Chase that

1548
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, in the top five of the draft, So

1549
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 3: you have to start to think about you know, how

1550
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 3: does this player fit into the puzzle? You know, I

1551
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 3: think there's two different guys right at the back end

1552
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: of the first round that are vastly different types of

1553
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 3: skill sets. In Boston in case he's a conceptsy home

1554
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: from A and M Like, those are two very different

1555
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 3: types of players. So are you looking for like the

1556
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 3: separator the explosive receiver because that's more Casey concepts on?

1557
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 5: Are you looking for a bigger, better.

1558
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: Kind of version of Mac Collins and that's more Denzel

1559
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 3: Boston And you kind of have to figure out which

1560
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 3: one is the type that you want to fit it.

1561
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: Yes, eldredge Eldred is in North Carolina? What's up, Eldrid

1562
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 2: explosive receiver? We get him in now?

1563
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1564
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 20: Yeah, Hey, well, I mean, uh, last week I didn't

1565
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 20: hear what you was talking about, but I did, uh

1566
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 20: went back and played the thing. Thanks Danny for the

1567
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 20: shout out, Nick and Pocono. You bout the dumb as

1568
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 20: the box of rocks. It ain't got no coming since

1569
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 20: God give a great Okay, I love it when it

1570
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 20: comes to wide receivers, bring your ass on the wide

1571
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 20: receivers I talk about they just don't run straight line

1572
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 20: they run all the routes. And I've been saying that

1573
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 20: this two nineteen really for fifteen years, when we even

1574
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 20: we had Brady. You need somebody outside, like but they

1575
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 20: were saying explosives, catch and separate, that's all they want.

1576
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 12: Can do that.

1577
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 20: But like I said, if you used to Jiff Tim

1578
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 20: Bank listening to everybody instead of doing your own homework,

1579
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 20: keep yours on the sideline they go. Because I do

1580
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 20: watch college football, and I do watch Get the Scout

1581
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 20: Repard and if you're smart enough google it draft class,

1582
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 20: you need to tell you about all the robb receives,

1583
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 20: the weakness in they strip. And that's all I gotta say.

1584
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: All right, love it, Eldred.

1585
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 6: That's about as fired up as I've seen.

1586
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 9: Eldred loves his wide receivers. Oh yeah, don't don't come

1587
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 9: to him with wide receiver talk if you're not prepared.

1588
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 5: The kid from Tennessee is talented.

1589
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 3: They they run a really bizarre college style offense where

1590
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 3: every all the receivers are like outside receivers have these

1591
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 3: max splits where they're way outside the numbers, like almost

1592
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 3: on the sideline.

1593
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 5: They all run like.

1594
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 3: Three routes like so it's like really hardy. Yeah to

1595
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 3: like now, this kid, I think is maybe a little

1596
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 3: bit better than that. They also run like routes purposely

1597
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 3: where they're not running full speed and they're like to

1598
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 3: do that. So like you watch the tape and you're like,

1599
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 3: why is this guy dogging this route? And it's actually

1600
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 3: like what he's being told to do. It's just a

1601
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 3: bizarre offense and it's kind of hard to do.

1602
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 2: If I was an offensive coordinator, I would never have

1603
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: my receiver lineup next to the sideline.

1604
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like they are literally hugging.

1605
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: I would never do that. Like you've now told me

1606
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 2: you can only go one way, you know, like why would.

1607
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 6: You do that?

1608
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 5: Because they just spread the field.

1609
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: I know.

1610
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 3: That's so style of offense that they run. But it's

1611
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: very effective at the college game, but the translation from

1612
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 3: the college to the pros is next to nothing. Like

1613
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: there's no you're really looking at traits of like is

1614
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 3: he big as he fast can catch the ball?

1615
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the toughest jobs for these

1616
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: scouts is the you know, figuring out the projection of

1617
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: the wide receivers to the pro game.

1618
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 7: They screwed up all the it's so hard the professional

1619
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 7: screw it up as much as we do.

1620
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: That's what's fascinating.

1621
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 7: But you know, have you said something about like puzzle

1622
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 7: pieces and to me, it's like, and we touched on

1623
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 7: this last week.

1624
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: It's but it's like, how do you pull up.

1625
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 7: Some of these puzzle pieces that you are already have

1626
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,720
Speaker 7: down on the board because basically the second tight end

1627
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 7: position is open. Otherwise, I mean, everybody else is under contract.

1628
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 7: You can bring back the same offense essentially if you

1629
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 7: want to.

1630
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: How do you not do that?

1631
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 6: You know?

1632
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 7: How do you you like Keishamboudi? You like Pop Douglas?

1633
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 7: Do you love them?

1634
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: You know?

1635
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: It's just it's some hard work.

1636
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 2: Can you do better?

1637
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 7: And and and is it we're just going to bring

1638
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 7: some guys in and we're going to compete. Or if

1639
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 7: you do Paul sing or it's purposeful and you get

1640
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 7: a number one and it's clear that this guy is

1641
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 7: going to play, you know, does that open up to

1642
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 7: a trade or you know, I just it's it's hard

1643
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 7: to navigate how they how.

1644
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 9: They I've been starting to like kind of talk myself

1645
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 9: into the idea of like a guy like Galled Pierce, And.

1646
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 8: To Evan's point, like.

1647
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying that Alec Pearce is like would

1648
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 9: be a number one on every team in the league.

1649
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 9: He probably isn't. He could know, but I think his

1650
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 9: skill set matches. Drake says, yep, but this is a

1651
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 9: guy that would play on the outside here. So maybe

1652
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 9: then if you lost Diggs and you had you know,

1653
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 9: Pierce isn't replacing Digs, right, so you have to take

1654
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,440
Speaker 9: mac Collins and use him as.

1655
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 8: Sort of your slap duye.

1656
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 9: You know, more full time who is probably better in

1657
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 9: the run game and can do some different things. And

1658
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 9: Josh talks about that stuff all the time with how

1659
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 9: Mac Collins fills a lot of chess piece as a

1660
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 9: chess piece. So I mean kind of talking myself, but

1661
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 9: that's not going to be easy to do. He's going

1662
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 9: to be, you know, a sought after guy, and he's

1663
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 9: going to require a good salary.

1664
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 5: He's going to hit them open market. He might and

1665
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 5: he might not. He might not. I would be shocked

1666
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 5: if the Colts don't do something.

1667
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 9: They went they went to Great Lance, it was last

1668
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 9: year or two years ago with Michael Pittman, and they

1669
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 9: made sure that they held on to him so they

1670
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 9: could do the same thing with Peers.

1671
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't want to hear anymore, Oh he

1672
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 2: ran the wrong route. Oh he didn't come back for

1673
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: the ball. Oh you know he cut this route short.

1674
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear that anymore.

1675
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: It happens with everything I know, but I want to

1676
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: limit that. Yeah, but I mean it's just like, you know,

1677
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 3: why does Drake may miss the throw?

1678
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 2: Like everything I'd rather have that then the receiver runs

1679
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 2: the wrong way.

1680
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 3: I know, But I'm just saying, like every team, like

1681
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 3: like the receivers aren't going to run perfect routes every

1682
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 3: single time, so there's always going to be nitpicks about

1683
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 3: routes and did he stem it right? Did he break

1684
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: at the right angle? Did he run it at the

1685
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: right depth? Like these are all the details that get

1686
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 3: really lost.

1687
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 7: And like along those lines, like to further complicate your point, Paul,

1688
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 7: is do you save some space for a guy like

1689
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 7: Kyle Williams to improve and maybe have a chance to

1690
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 7: play that role, or you know, do you get Alec Pearson.

1691
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 7: Then all of a sudden, it's like, you know, we

1692
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 7: don't really need Kyle Williams on the outside, you know

1693
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 7: what I mean, that's that's the interesting juggling kind of

1694
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 7: thing you gotta do.

1695
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 9: You know when people always say, like, I don't know

1696
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 9: why you guys talk about this stuff. You don't have

1697
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 9: all the information. Yeah, no, we don't. Like that's information

1698
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 9: that the coaching staff has right now. They have a

1699
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 9: better idea of what Kyle Williams is and what it

1700
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 9: might be in twenty six than we do for sure.

1701
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 9: But yeah, if they project him and they say, you

1702
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 9: know this guy, this guy was coming on. He it

1703
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 9: took him a little while to understand everything. Once he did,

1704
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 9: he was a better player. He didn't have a lot

1705
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 9: of opportunities. But we think he's going to be this

1706
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 9: in twenty six by all means.

1707
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, But again, if they have that kind of belief,

1708
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 7: another balls leap of faith that you've got to make

1709
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 7: on a number.

1710
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 8: But you got to.

1711
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you got to move on from some.

1712
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 7: Of these guys that did play well for the last

1713
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 7: year because you need to take a half step forward to.

1714
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 9: I would be very surprised if they came with anything

1715
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 9: close to status quo on offense.

1716
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

1717
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean the receivers that the two easiest ones are

1718
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 3: the guys from the twenty three draft who are going

1719
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: to be up at the end of next year, Like

1720
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 3: they're on the last year of their rookie contract.

1721
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 5: So like pop In Ksehanlu.

1722
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 8: One of those guys isn't going to be here.

1723
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 5: You know, you ask me, maybe they're Tray Kennedy.

1724
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: I just I think that a big thing to me

1725
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: is like they have to figure out how they also,

1726
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 3: like what kind of offensive identity do they want to be?

1727
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 3: Do they want to be We're going to put Drake

1728
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 3: May in the shotgun and we're spreading the field and

1729
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 3: we're going to be the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's going

1730
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 3: to be great receivers on the outside with a great quarterback.

1731
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: Do they want to be able to run the ball

1732
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: a little bit more effectively than they did last year?

1733
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 3: And you know that's going to mean you know, probably

1734
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 3: getting a tight end that can block a little bit

1735
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 3: better in line. You know, receivers that are a little

1736
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 3: bit bigger and more physical, kind of like the Rams

1737
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 3: forty nine ers types of receivers.

1738
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 5: You know, those are all questions that you.

1739
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 3: Know they have to answer that only they can answer

1740
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: about like what kind of offense do they want to be?

1741
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 3: You know, I think that matters a lot too in

1742
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 3: terms of when you start to talk about the type

1743
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 3: of receivers you're going to target.

1744
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 7: Make you guys get that sense with Brady as you

1745
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 7: were going along of like as three O four, that

1746
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 7: he was having more input into what they were doing.

1747
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: Both well, I think those are played with Those were

1748
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 2: the times where he was meeting weekly with Bill.

1749
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean certainly not six right, I would say yes

1750
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: and no.

1751
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 9: I think he did have a say, and I think

1752
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 9: a lot of times they said, yeah that that's great,

1753
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 9: too great, but you can.

1754
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 8: Do more with lesson you'll like it.

1755
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 9: Until I finally bought them down and it cost them

1756
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 9: a title, and then they went out and got everybody

1757
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 9: right and O seven you know, I mean it was

1758
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 9: they got they got a slot guy, they got a

1759
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 9: dynamic outside guy, they got a backup dynamic outside guy.

1760
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 8: They got a tight end.

1761
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 9: Like the O seven fre Agency class was like.

1762
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 3: Real play, you know, three receivers, a little spread in

1763
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 3: the field and all that stuff. Like I know a

1764
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 3: lot of people want them to go heavier and put

1765
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: multiple tight ends on the field and receivers that can

1766
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 3: block and try to be more like the Shanahan Tree

1767
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 3: offenses where you're scripting runoff of pass and marrying those

1768
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: things together. But you know that right now, I feel

1769
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 3: like they kind of I don't know what exactly that

1770
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: answer is to be you know, effective as of both

1771
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 3: a run offense and a pass offense, because they got

1772
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 3: very eleven like three receiver heavy, pass heavy, you know,

1773
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 3: towards the end of the season, especially where a lot

1774
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 3: of it was kind of on Drake May to kind

1775
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 3: of make things happen, and I think they would probably

1776
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 3: want to be a little bit more under center play action,

1777
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: you know, that sort of thing than they were towards

1778
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 3: the end.

1779
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 2: Uh. Onto the phones. Uh, Todd's in North Carolina.

1780
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 6: What's up?

1781
01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 9: Todd?

1782
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 21: Hey, guys. Let me start by apologizing to Fred because

1783
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 21: I sent in an email. I was pretty hot after

1784
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 21: the Super Bowl and I was kind of grogey.

1785
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 12: I'm still a little upset.

1786
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 21: I thought maybe I was unjustified, which is why I

1787
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 21: took some time off and didn't calling you guys. But

1788
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 21: I've been listening to people. They didn't put Will and

1789
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 21: Drake in positions to succeed, and then considering they're both injured,

1790
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 21: they didn't do anything for them, and it was upsetting me.

1791
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 21: It was like, why are you putting these guys in

1792
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 21: there who definitely are our future one way or the

1793
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 21: other and leaving them just hanging. And that's really what happened,

1794
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 21: and it was very frustrating to just see the struggles

1795
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 21: of those guys because that's our future. And now on

1796
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 21: to the next point of the future. I was listening

1797
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 21: to a lot of people and Chris Canty said, you know,

1798
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 21: the one thing the Pats have to do is be careful.

1799
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 21: Don't become Chicago. Don't think you just need one or

1800
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 21: two players and you're there. Stick keep doing the drafting young,

1801
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 21: find you know a way to keep your team growing,

1802
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 21: kind of like the Rams do and some of these

1803
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 21: other teams. Don't try to fill everything in free agency

1804
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 21: and get these guys, build young and up because that

1805
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 21: way you have a core and your team can flourish,

1806
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 21: not just for one or two years, but can keep going.

1807
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 21: So those are my two points.

1808
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys discuss, all right, thinks I can

1809
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 2: anyone disagree?

1810
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: That's the universal truth.

1811
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 9: Keeps didn't do that, would I would disagree with that.

1812
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 9: I don't care how you build it, just well I

1813
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:29,639
Speaker 9: get good players.

1814
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: You need you need to draft?

1815
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 9: Well yeah, well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, everybody, just then

1816
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 9: keep your draft picks so you can be good forever.

1817
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 8: No, that's not really how it.

1818
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 5: Works, especially when you're picking thirty one.

1819
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 17: Five.

1820
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 8: Like what did Chicago do?

1821
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1822
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 6: I don't know their roster?

1823
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 8: And is that bad?

1824
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: No?

1825
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 5: I mean they did like clos and Love is a

1826
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 5: good player, but so is Luther Burton. Yeah, I think

1827
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 5: that they. I'm kind of more unpulsized the street, like.

1828
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 8: I just find good players.

1829
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 3: I also just like hear a lot of how like

1830
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 3: the roster is still like really far away, and I'm like,

1831
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 3: I don't oh, I don't think.

1832
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 5: No, I don't agree.

1833
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you have said that last year?

1834
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1835
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 3: And then and then they went out and turned over

1836
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 3: forty percent of the roster and had a whole new team, right,

1837
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 3: And I think they already did that, like they we've

1838
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 3: already done that chapter.

1839
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 2: But that means that they're not that far away.

1840
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 9: Right, So yeah, I woul I would agree with that

1841
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 9: they're not that far away. But I to Todd's point here,

1842
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 9: So it's going to sound like I'm being hypocritical, But

1843
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 9: where I agree with Todd is you did that last year.

1844
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 9: Evan's right, they turned over almost half the roster. So

1845
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 9: you can't expect that that's going to be good going

1846
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 9: forward because those guys that you brought in are like

1847
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 9: kind of in their prime, so they're going to be

1848
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 9: heading to the backside. So you need to get some

1849
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 9: younger guys. Like Brabel said, you need younger, cheaper, better alternatives.

1850
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 9: But I don't just have to draft them, is what

1851
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 9: I'm saying. You know, I rattled off a couple of

1852
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 9: four and five year guys in the league that I

1853
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 9: think would be good players. If you can replace a

1854
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 9: Harold Landry with a younger version of Harold Landry, it

1855
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 9: doesn't have to be a draft pick.

1856
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, like that's just an example.

1857
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 3: I just think it's really like and look, it happens,

1858
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 3: and guys slip through the cracks all the time. But

1859
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 3: like when you're picking thirty one and you're picking at

1860
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 3: the end of every single round, so it's going to say,

1861
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 3: it's really hard to sit here and say, what does

1862
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 3: draft pro bowlers guys like?

1863
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 5: You know, if you it's that easy.

1864
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 9: People look at this draft and first let me just

1865
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 9: stay for the record, I'm still sort of I do

1866
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 9: what I always do in the draft, whether it's go

1867
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 9: to a bad initially and I let it play out

1868
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 9: a little bit before I just determine everything. But you

1869
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 9: got a bunch of guys who played a lot this year,

1870
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 9: you picked fourth, like to Evan's point, now you're picking

1871
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 9: thirty first in every round. It gets a little harder

1872
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 9: to like come up with eight guys that are going

1873
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 9: to play a lot.

1874
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 5: Draft all pros.

1875
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, just draft all pros.

1876
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: That's and that as I just want to think of it.

1877
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 7: No, and then that's it's if you're willing to say

1878
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 7: we're in a position to draft like potential right tackle

1879
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 7: replacement or a potential defensive end replacement. You go in

1880
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 7: with that attitude of we're now in the system where

1881
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 7: we have a pretty good team, but we have to

1882
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 7: keep stalking the shelves of the positions. To your point,

1883
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 7: the free agents last year that you signed. If you

1884
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 7: go into a thinking we're getting a starter at thirty one,

1885
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 7: I don't, you know.

1886
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: You can't. That's why you need to supplement with the

1887
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,560
Speaker 1: free agency. You gotta find talent this year in free agency.

1888
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 9: Right, and I think it's going to be hard to

1889
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 9: do because I don't think they're going to be as

1890
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 9: active and aggressive in free agency as they were last

1891
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 9: year for obvious reasons. I mean, they spend a ton

1892
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 9: of money, yep in free agency last year.

1893
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 3: But I just think that you just got to look

1894
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: at it like now, like exactly how Raybel talked about

1895
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 3: it on All Access last week of like they have

1896
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,160
Speaker 3: a foundation, like they've built the foundation of the house

1897
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 3: and now they're refurbishing. They're finishing the base man addition, right,

1898
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 3: that's what we're doing.

1899
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 5: We're we're not.

1900
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 3: Going into this to make wholesale changes to the team

1901
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 3: where you know they have to turn over forty percent

1902
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 3: of the roster. Again, you go out there, you you

1903
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: you'd go and you shop for the appliances and you

1904
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 3: you know, finish the basement and you do all the

1905
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 3: hang the flat screens on the wall, and you know,

1906
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: make it a home like you know, and that that's

1907
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: what they're looking for now.

1908
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 5: And I think in the draft, dudes nailed it.

1909
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 3: Like those are supposed to be picks that are for

1910
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 3: future two to three year projections. When you start talking

1911
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 3: especially about days two and three, like maybe at thirty

1912
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 3: one they could draft a player that's going to contribute

1913
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 3: right away.

1914
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 5: But on all likelihood, you're looking.

1915
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: At a lot of guys that we're going to draft

1916
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 3: a developmental tight end, We're going to draft a developmental

1917
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 3: right tackle, We're going to draft, you know, a guy

1918
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 3: on the offensive line that we think might be able

1919
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 3: to play left guard, you know, or or tackle or whatever.

1920
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 18: You like.

1921
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 8: Those did it before he lost it?

1922
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was able to. I mean, you know, stay

1923
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: ahead of the.

1924
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 9: Two whatever, you know, like Bill was able to do

1925
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 9: it there for a while in the in the yachts. Yeah,

1926
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,759
Speaker 9: then when you turned into the you know, the teams

1927
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 9: like it did just didn't go with well.

1928
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1929
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 7: That's the only exception I would say is that you

1930
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 7: never know who's going to fall through the cracks at

1931
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 7: thirty one. And there might be you know, it's a

1932
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 7: great edge classes said, there might be a guy, but

1933
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 7: my expectation for an edge guy at thirty one.

1934
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: But you're the third guy. You're the destiny of pass rusher.

1935
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 7: You're going to bring some young juice on early downs,

1936
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 7: kind of like what pondered did earlier this year. But

1937
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 7: you know that that to me is what's interesting. Something

1938
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 7: somebody falls the something that occurred to me.

1939
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 2: You know, when you're drafting low in the first round,

1940
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 2: and like you said, they hit on Mankins. They also

1941
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: had Dante Scarnek as their offensive line coach.

1942
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 6: So do you weigh that, say, where's my strength and coaching?

1943
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like, am I going to have more higher

1944
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: percentage of succeeding with that draft pick knowing that I'm

1945
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 2: putting him with my best coach And.

1946
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: Hard to say. On the offensive side of the ball,

1947
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: I'd say right now, I mean I.

1948
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 7: Feel good about the quarterback situation, but I mean, what

1949
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 7: do we really know about these guys. I mean, Robert

1950
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 7: Kugler left to to go tight ends for the coach,

1951
01:22:58,760 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 7: tight ends for the Steelers.

1952
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 1: It's a good question.

1953
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 7: I don't know on the offensive side of the ball,

1954
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 7: what you would feel with Dante Scarnaki. I mean maybe

1955
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 7: if Moron sticks around, you feel like that, But they

1956
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 7: haven't earned that kind of like it'll be fine.

1957
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: We got Doug Maroon to coach him up yet, I

1958
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: mean maybe he is that.

1959
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 3: I think you're more like optimistic about like they have

1960
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: systems on both sides of the ball that they know

1961
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 3: inside and out, and so like you can watch guys

1962
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 3: now and prepare for the draft and say, this guy's

1963
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 3: going to fit a role, this guy's going to fit

1964
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: what we want them to do, which makes it so

1965
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 3: much easier to kind of streamline it. Like I was

1966
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 3: watching Paul was making fun of me for watching the

1967
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 3: Toledo safety, But after I watched the Toledo safety, I

1968
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 3: watched the kid from Oregon. It's a really good safety

1969
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 3: as well, and that I was watching him, you know,

1970
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 3: match routes and quarters and care you know, play the

1971
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 3: post and blitz and stuff, you know, fit the run,

1972
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 3: and I'm like, these are all things that Patriot's safeties do.

1973
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 3: This is exactly what they asked Craig Woodson and Jalen

1974
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 3: Hawkins to do every single week.

1975
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 5: And that makes it so much easier.

1976
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 3: And I think one of the reasons why, you know,

1977
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 3: towards the end with Bill but also with the drid

1978
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 3: Mao year, they didn't know what they wanted, Like, they

1979
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 3: didn't know what kind of system they were trying to

1980
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 3: fit it into. They didn't have a vision for like

1981
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 3: this is a safety for Mike Rabel. This is a

1982
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 3: defensive end for Mike Rabel. And now when you start

1983
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 3: to watch these guys you can really get a feel

1984
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 3: for that.

1985
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 1: I felt that way with Keldric Fauk.

1986
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 7: That kid, I'm like everything you know, stand up a

1987
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 7: little bit, he's hand down. I mean just everything you

1988
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 7: saw those defensive ends this year. Do you can see

1989
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 7: him do on his tape?

1990
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: R Mason Thomas, He's a night just like screamer athletic

1991
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 3: comes off the Edgewood, great first step, like exactly the

1992
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,679
Speaker 3: type you know, Chason Landry, like those types of players

1993
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 3: six two two fifty like that. That's that's what they're

1994
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 3: looking for now at that position, and I think that

1995
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:43,559
Speaker 3: helps a lot.

1996
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, Casius Howell, that's another one too. That guy just

1997
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be gone, but all right, never know.

1998
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 6: Sabbah in North Carolina, bring it?

1999
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 21: Uh?

2000
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: Oh? Are we okay to Drake?

2001
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 22: Hey, gentlemen, I'm gonna try to say calm today. I

2002
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 22: just want to retract my Drake may may have had

2003
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 22: irreparable damage comment. I liked that other collar.

2004
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:04,799
Speaker 10: Earlier.

2005
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 22: I was a little bit losing my head. I was

2006
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 22: so frustrated at how you guys didn't help Drake. But

2007
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 22: I got a few things, if you'll bear with me.

2008
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 22: Think about Patrick Mahomes got killed in the Super Bowl

2009
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 22: against Tampa when he had an offensive line, they were injured,

2010
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 22: and then got killed again against Philly. No one says

2011
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 22: that that guy's bad. Jim Kelly got killed three times

2012
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 22: once by my Redskins. John l We got killed twice

2013
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 22: once by my Redskins. And then people are saying that

2014
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 22: Drake May should never have gotten DP. It would have

2015
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 22: been embarrassing. Is bad game he had? Well watch you

2016
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 22: talk to Droe Theisman about that when he won the

2017
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 22: MVP and got slaughtered against the Raiders, and he played

2018
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 22: horrible that game. So an MBP is a regular season award.

2019
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 22: So the next thing I want to say is, y'all

2020
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:49,639
Speaker 22: don't care about wide receiver. I don't care about defensive lineman.

2021
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 22: I don't care about Max cra I'll want linemen as

2022
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 22: they stayed in my big Frank Wee wedding. You know,

2023
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 22: the man that would be Drake is the head, but

2024
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 22: the wife the office of lineman of the neck, and

2025
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 22: they make the head turn in when they want it.

2026
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 22: So without the offensive line, Drake May is got going

2027
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,560
Speaker 22: to be anything. So we need to do something. So

2028
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 22: looked up a couple of names free agencies Brian Brandon Smith,

2029
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 22: Indianapolis six. He's twenty nine years old, came out of Auburn.

2030
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 22: He's a free agent. And Jonah Williams he's out of Alabama.

2031
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 22: He's a tackle and he is six foot five and

2032
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 22: he's twenty eight years old. I want y'all falts on

2033
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 22: that because we need to fix the line.

2034
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 2: You notice how said we right, Yeah, we're on it together,

2035
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 2: thanks Abo.

2036
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 3: Jonah Williams had a series of injuries towards the end

2037
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 3: of this chapter of his career that I have done that.

2038
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 3: Brandon Smith's a good player, plays right tackle, short arm,

2039
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 3: right tackle. Both both Colts tackles actually have short arms,

2040
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 3: but he's he's a right tackle. I'm still I think

2041
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 3: the best move for them to make in the off

2042
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 3: season on the offensive line is a left guard. I

2043
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 3: think I would invent and sign a veteran left guard

2044
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 3: to come into play next to Campbell. Have Jared Wilson

2045
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 3: and Garrett Bradberry duke it out for center.

2046
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 2: Split those two guys up.

2047
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 3: Give Campbell a kind of a security blanket next to him.

2048
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 3: A guy that's been there, done that, you know. David

2049
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: Edwards from Buffalo is one guy that I circle. You know,

2050
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 3: as a free agent target. Joe Tooney got traded last offseasons,

2051
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 3: so who knows what veteran guard might be available. But

2052
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, if you said a guy like Brandon Smith,

2053
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 3: he's replacing Morgan Moses, which like you could do. I

2054
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 3: just don't know if that's really fixing shuffling.

2055
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Ye get a little younger and.

2056
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 9: One more tacko I want. Yeah, you guys, Rashid Walker

2057
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 9: from Green Bay.

2058
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he plays. He played on the left side for them.

2059
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 3: You know, like maybe maybe he's another guy that you

2060
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 3: could bring into play right. I don't know if he's

2061
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 3: done it before. I don't believe so, But I'm looking

2062
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: at the interior offensive line. I think it's a little

2063
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 3: bit premature to start shaking up the tackles.

2064
01:27:58,560 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: I like it.

2065
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: You know, if they can get a left guard that

2066
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 3: seasoned veteran knows what he's doing.

2067
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,799
Speaker 7: You know, and they maybe give me a day two tackle,

2068
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 7: you know, give me a right right tackle developmental, but

2069
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 7: somebody you know that maybe Marcus Bryant develops. But somebody

2070
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 7: in the pipeline that you feel good about, You feel

2071
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 7: good about their size.

2072
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: And you know that you can work with for a year.

2073
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a.

2074
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 3: Couple of guys at the back end of the first

2075
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 3: round at tackle that could be interesting to them too.

2076
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: Most of them play left. The kid from Clemson, it

2077
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 3: was interesting he.

2078
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Plays right, Blake Miller.

2079
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he like started every game going back to

2080
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 3: his freshman year and didn't opt out of the bowl game.

2081
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 5: It's kind of one of those program type of guys.

2082
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 8: Yeah. And what is it's eleven picks? Right?

2083
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:39,559
Speaker 5: So he had too many?

2084
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: They have like seven?

2085
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 5: They have four six round picks right now.

2086
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Many?

2087
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I want they have two four, seven or

2088
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 9: seven or three picks whatever it is.

2089
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 8: I want half of those on offensive linemen.

2090
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like well, because I mean like.

2091
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 9: Just three, four or five guys and hopefully one or

2092
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 9: two of them in two years are ready to play.

2093
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 9: There's a lot of Day three offensive linemen starting in

2094
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 9: the NFL. It's the one spot that you legitimately can

2095
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 9: can draft and develop and they start and they're good starters.

2096
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 7: And even for the long term plan. I mean when

2097
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 7: you this will be his last year of his deal.

2098
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,560
Speaker 7: I mean I've seen some people suggesting the Patriot should

2099
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 7: extend him and redo his deal. I don't know about that,

2100
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 7: but you know, just in terms of planning for like,

2101
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 7: I like to look at who are the free agents

2102
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 7: next year? These are the guys you need to draft

2103
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 7: this year to be ready to offset those losses.

2104
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: Morgan, Moses, Michael one, you're going to be out.

2105
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 3: I just like, if you want to make the argument

2106
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,799
Speaker 3: that you could get younger than Morgan Moses, that's fine.

2107
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 3: I just don't look at this market and say you're

2108
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 3: going to upgrade more than Moses.

2109
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: You're just going to kind of shuffle things, right.

2110
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 3: So it's like, Okay, so it's a different name that

2111
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 3: didn't lose the Super Bowl, so we like him better,

2112
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,160
Speaker 3: you know, And I don't know if he's actually any better.

2113
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: Santo is a clinical PhD in clinical psychology, so I

2114
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 2: want to read this email. He says. If there is

2115
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 2: one word I hate in sports talk, it's confidence.

2116
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 6: Confidence is a totally useless feeling. It's like a fair

2117
01:30:01,680 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 6: weather friend.

2118
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 2: When things are going well, it shows up, but when

2119
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 2: things are going south, it disappears. A better term should

2120
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,200
Speaker 2: be competence. That is not a feeling, but it's level

2121
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: of skill. Can you throw the ball deep ball and

2122
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 2: on target? Can you block well enough to keep the quarterback,

2123
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 2: pocket clean? Can you catch the ball that is a

2124
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: little behind you? All these questions can be answered because

2125
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 2: they speak to measurable behaviors. Drake May is only twenty three.

2126
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 2: From the perspective of a seventy one year old man. Here,

2127
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 2: he's still a baby. Why should he be a leader

2128
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 2: at this stage of his career just because he's the QB.

2129
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,759
Speaker 2: Leadership skills take time to grow and develop. Give it time.

2130
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 2: I think when Fred talks about being a cold blooded killer,

2131
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 2: he might mean set aside emotions and execute your skills mechanically.

2132
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 2: If so, I agree, And by the way, that is

2133
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 2: also a measurable skill, a psychological one that could be developed.

2134
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 2: I know I've worked with Olympics athletes to develop this skill.

2135
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 2: I've been a fan of the Patriots dating back to

2136
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: when they were kicked out of Fenway Park. First game

2137
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 2: I saw in real life was played at Harvard Stadium.

2138
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 2: The Chargers killed them. Later the Jets with Joe Namath

2139
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 2: destroyed them, and I later found out Joe was drunk

2140
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 2: while doing it. He killed the Patriots and he was drunk.

2141
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't agree with a lot of that.

2142
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 2: WHOA like it?

2143
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 9: I mean, I have all the respect in the world

2144
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 9: for someone who obviously is doing these things for a living.

2145
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 8: But there's no such thing as confidence.

2146
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 9: Like, if you're confident that you can make a play,

2147
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 9: you don't think that increases your ability to make that

2148
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 9: your chances to make that play.

2149
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 2: I think what he's saying is your confidence comes from

2150
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:39,440
Speaker 2: your competence.

2151
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 9: No, I know, but so these guys all have the

2152
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 9: competence to play at a certain level that got them

2153
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 9: in the professional ranks. So when things are going badly,

2154
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 9: sometimes people lose confidence and it makes their job of

2155
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 9: turning it around more difficult. But guys that maintain their

2156
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 9: confidence by saying I just missed twelve three pointers in

2157
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:01,280
Speaker 9: a row, and I'm a great shooter and I'm going

2158
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 9: to make the next twelve have a better chance of

2159
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 9: making the next shot than the guy that says this

2160
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 9: just ain't my day.

2161
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 8: I am. I can't throw it in the ocean today.

2162
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 8: I think that that matters.

2163
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 9: Now A lot of people will look black and white

2164
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 9: and say, no, it doesn't. It's all about whether or

2165
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 9: not you make the next one. There's no you don't

2166
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 9: have a better chance or a worst chance depending on

2167
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 9: your mindset.

2168
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 8: Doesn't have anything.

2169
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 2: So where does the confident I believe that it does.

2170
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 6: Where does the confidence come from?

2171
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 3: I think this is a chicken or the egg argument, right, yeah, yes,

2172
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 3: and so I don't know.

2173
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,839
Speaker 5: That's why I kind of in the middle.

2174
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 2: Of someone who's never had success probably doesn't have as

2175
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: much confidence as someone who's seen success. But again, we've

2176
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 2: done it before. Even though I'm having a bad day,

2177
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 2: I know I can do this.

2178
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,320
Speaker 9: But we were dealing with a baseline of ability where

2179
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 9: people have all had success. The worst player in the

2180
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 9: NFL has had more successful days playing football than the

2181
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 9: average Joe. Okay, the worst player in the NFL has

2182
01:32:55,680 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 9: had more success than the average Joe. So he come

2183
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,639
Speaker 9: in with a level of confidence that he can do this,

2184
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,840
Speaker 9: But does he think he can do it consistently against

2185
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 9: the best? And if he doesn't think he can, that's

2186
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 9: going to make his task of doing it, in my view,

2187
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 9: more difficult. If you don't think you can do it,

2188
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 9: you're not going to do it.

2189
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: Right.

2190
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,559
Speaker 7: It's like the momentum argument. I feel the same kind

2191
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 7: of thing where you can't really category. He can't really

2192
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 7: come up with a measurement of it.

2193
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 8: But yeah, there's a black and white thing.

2194
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 9: I just feel like Drake may knows he can throw

2195
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 9: a deep ball, but if he doesn't think he's going

2196
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 9: to be able to throw the next deep ball properly,

2197
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 9: you think he's going to throw it as well as

2198
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 9: he did the one that he did think he.

2199
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:38,799
Speaker 1: Could throw properly.

2200
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, And like they're not robots, they're not all Like,

2201
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 9: it's not just every play has the same chance to

2202
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,600
Speaker 9: succeed because everybody goes in with the same mindset. I

2203
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 9: think there's so much that goes into this that's mental.

2204
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Chad from Schenectady. Drake has talked about wanting

2205
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 2: to earn the ability to lead before even recently. He's

2206
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 2: still one of the youngest players on the team, and

2207
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would agree that being

2208
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 2: being young, it can be weird and it's definitely something

2209
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,639
Speaker 2: that has to be learned from most people. I think

2210
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 2: as he gets older and more rooted in the team,

2211
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: that will continue that skill will continue to grow. You

2212
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 2: can be a vocal leader all you want, but if

2213
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: you play like a play like nine, I mean nine

2214
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: years old, I think no one wants.

2215
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 5: To hear talking about JJ McCarthy.

2216
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I didn't what's that all about himself?

2217
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 8: Nine?

2218
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 3: I think because that's like his competitive alter ego on

2219
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 3: the field when he's on something out of stranger when

2220
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 3: he when he's on the field, he's not JJ anymore.

2221
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 5: He's nine.

2222
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 9: So that's another part about having confidence. Another part of

2223
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 9: the previous email the way is you know, the whole

2224
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 9: leadership thing at a young age. And I totally agree

2225
01:34:54,400 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 9: that Drake is young and he will learn and get

2226
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 9: better in terms of those those kinds of things, But

2227
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 9: I don't agree that you can't have that if you're young.

2228
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 9: Tom Brady entered the league as a fourth quarterback on

2229
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,360
Speaker 9: the roster, sixth round pick, and Bill was struck by

2230
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 9: his leadership. That was the number one thing that stood

2231
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,320
Speaker 9: out to him was his ability to take the rookie

2232
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 9: mini camp class. And yes, it does come just because

2233
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:20,720
Speaker 9: you're a quarterback. A lot of guys are just natural

2234
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 9: leaders because that's what that position requires. Yep, some guys

2235
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 9: come into the I mean Tom was a little older

2236
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 9: than Drake when he came into the league, but he

2237
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 9: was a nothing compared to Drake.

2238
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 8: When he came into the league.

2239
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 9: He was a sixth round pick, the fourth quarterback on

2240
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 9: the roster, and the reason that Bill was so enamored

2241
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 9: with him was his leadership. That's what allowed him to

2242
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 9: stick around. So you can have it when you're young. Now,

2243
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 9: I'm not telling you that Drake can never develop it

2244
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 9: because he hasn't necessarily shown that. I think he should

2245
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 9: he as Rabel said, I think he showed great strides

2246
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 9: in that department one year in this one year with Rabel,

2247
01:35:58,120 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 9: so I think he'll get better and better at it

2248
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 9: by I don't necessarily think you can't be a good

2249
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 9: leader if you're young.

2250
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 6: SPI in Fresno.

2251
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 2: Do you guys have a sense of the nature and

2252
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 2: severity of Drake's injury or injuries as well as when

2253
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: they occurred. I don't know how much to factor that

2254
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,839
Speaker 2: in when evaluating his postseason play. Like we can discuss

2255
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 2: Drake's youth and loss of confidence, lack of clutch, but

2256
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 2: that should be in context of the injury. I know

2257
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 2: everyone plays hurt and great players rub dirt on it

2258
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 2: and carry on, but given how much Drake dropped off,

2259
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 2: I'd like to discern how much the injury versus wilting

2260
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 2: against tougher competition came into play.

2261
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,479
Speaker 3: I think that that's a huge factor the entire thing

2262
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 3: for him and Will Campbell, And the only people that

2263
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 3: can answer that are Mike Rabol and probably Jim Whalen,

2264
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 3: and like you know that those people about Like I

2265
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 3: think both those guys were, you know, especially Campbell. I

2266
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 3: was actually looking at this yesterday, like his splits pre

2267
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,400
Speaker 3: injury versus post injury. Now, you could also argue that

2268
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 3: he faced better competition post injury, but I think that

2269
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 3: at the same time, like you did see a pretty

2270
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,879
Speaker 3: tangible drop off in his performance, especially in past protection

2271
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 3: from pre injury to post and so like they they

2272
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 3: would need to decide that, you know, in terms of

2273
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 3: how to move forward, not necessarily questioning Drake May but

2274
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 3: especially with Campbell at tackle, like how much of it

2275
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 3: was his knee and how much of it was that

2276
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 3: he had good players coming off the ball, you know,

2277
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 3: across from him.

2278
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 5: And I think the same thing's true with Drake May

2279
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:30,439
Speaker 5: so well.

2280
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 2: In Chicago, Paul kind of touched on this earlier about

2281
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 2: where they're drafting and you know the difference between thirty

2282
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: one and four, but he said, do we hit well

2283
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 2: enough in our draft in comparison to previous years? Campbell

2284
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 2: Henderson had flashes Woodson Farmer had promised until Farmer got hurt.

2285
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 2: If we hit that well and hit in free agency again,

2286
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 2: I don't see why we can't play well and make

2287
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 2: it back to the super Bowl. Screw the hardest schedule.

2288
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 2: We're going to roll over the AFC, no doubt. There

2289
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,040
Speaker 2: is a big difference though, Like, yeah, if you do

2290
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 2: as well as last year, that's great, but it's going

2291
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: to be harder because it's thirty one instead of four.

2292
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 2: And I was just doing, like, if you add the

2293
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 2: numbers up, so four times seven is twenty eight twenty

2294
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 2: eight verse four times thirty one is like two hundred

2295
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: and whatever. Think of the difference in that number. That's

2296
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 2: the difference in the quality of guys that you have

2297
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 2: access to.

2298
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, but I we.

2299
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 7: Say this all the time, and I'll say there are

2300
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 7: certain teams that draft well that consistently don't matter where

2301
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 7: they're picking, they find good players. And maybe they don't

2302
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 7: find ten every draft class, but they're going to find

2303
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 7: two or three every draft class.

2304
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 1: And that to me is when it's kind of comes down.

2305
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 9: Filled with guys that they drafted on a team that

2306
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:42,759
Speaker 9: famously said f them picks.

2307
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did draft some of them in the first round.

2308
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 8: No, No, I know, Jared Versus was a great first round.

2309
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think the bigger point is is like

2310
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 3: if it was super easy to draft guys at the

2311
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 3: end of every round, then we would all be gms

2312
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 3: and we'd be running teams right now because so good

2313
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 3: at it.

2314
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 9: You know, and people will throw the rams at you.

2315
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 9: Kansas City is where they are right now because they've struggled,

2316
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 9: you know, beyond when Trent McDuffie. You know, they struggled

2317
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 9: to get guys in the thirties.

2318
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Yea, over the years.

2319
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 3: It's exactly what happened to the Patriots. Like when you

2320
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 3: pick down there consistently every single when you're starting to

2321
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 3: throw darts here.

2322
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 5: Really are now. I think that it depends on what

2323
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 5: your line is.

2324
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 3: Like I would say with the draft class last year,

2325
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 3: you know, I think it will be at tackle, but

2326
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 3: Will Campbell's going to be a starter in the league.

2327
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if it will be at garter be

2328
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 3: a tackle long term. And I think Craig Woodson is

2329
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 3: going to be a starting safety in the league.

2330
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 23: Now.

2331
01:39:37,240 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 5: The other guys, I.

2332
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 3: Think Jerry's still out Slash maybe Henderson's more of like

2333
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 3: a change of pace, you know, second running back instead

2334
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 3: of a true number one back. But they probably got

2335
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 3: at least three contributors. You know, however, you want to

2336
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:54,920
Speaker 3: say that that's a good.

2337
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 2: Draft, probably more.

2338
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 9: And if you're just saying contributors, you know, you could

2339
01:39:59,240 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 9: probably say Campbell, Henderson, Wilson, Woodson, Bora, Regarless. You know,

2340
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 9: I'm not going even a long snapper Ashby if.

2341
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 5: You consider those four guys as hits.

2342
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's right, like contributor out right. I'm

2343
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 9: willing to say, like, I don't know how good all

2344
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 9: of those guys are going to be, right, I would

2345
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 9: say Woodson was the one guy who, at the end

2346
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 9: of the year I thought was really a sending yep yep,

2347
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 9: whereas the other guy's kind of leveled off or tailed off.

2348
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I talked to Arcanda last week and

2349
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:33,760
Speaker 7: he was saying it now, Gonzalez was the only guy

2350
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 7: who showed up, and I said.

2351
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: Woodson put Woodson in there with you definitely then showed

2352
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:38,880
Speaker 1: up for sure.

2353
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 2: Do you think any of them hit the rookie wall?

2354
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 11: I mean, because when you think about it, I wonder

2355
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 11: that mostly play in college fourteen games, and you know,

2356
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 11: if you add in preseason which rookies play, it was

2357
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:51,840
Speaker 11: twenty four games, and.

2358
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 7: The injuries to Wilson and Campbell dovetailed into when they

2359
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 7: would be hitting the wall.

2360
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 1: So was it injury? Was it that? I mean, it's

2361
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: it's trying to do the the you know.

2362
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 7: Afterwards, take the body apart, figure out went wrong, and

2363
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 7: there's so many different little threads you can pull out.

2364
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 8: You know.

2365
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 9: Part of it with the rookies that I don't think

2366
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 9: people talk about as much, and maybe I overrt it,

2367
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 9: maybe it's not that big a deal, But I think

2368
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 9: part of the reason why the rookie wall is such

2369
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 9: a thing is if you think about the end of

2370
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 9: the rookie it's not just the fourteen games to you know,

2371
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 9: twenty or whatever it is. But they play their under

2372
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 9: their schedule, then they work out specifically for the combine.

2373
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,440
Speaker 9: Then they have like all of this pro day stuff.

2374
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:32,839
Speaker 9: It's like there's.

2375
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,600
Speaker 8: No real off season in terms of rest.

2376
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 9: Then they go right into OTAs when they get drafted

2377
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 9: and rookie mini camps and all that stuff, you know,

2378
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,679
Speaker 9: to mini camp, they don't really have any time to reset.

2379
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're either in the college Football Playoff or

2380
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 3: they're at a senior bowl or a shrine bowl.

2381
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 9: It's a lot of Yeah, it's a long year, and

2382
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 9: I think that is just as much to do with

2383
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 9: it as like this season is longer than that season.

2384
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:00,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the off season to do that.

2385
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 3: This year, it's basically like, well, a lot of those

2386
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 3: rookies haven't really taken a true break since the beginning

2387
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 3: of their college lash college speed, right, you know, like

2388
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 3: they start in August in college and they go all

2389
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:13,200
Speaker 3: the way through the end.

2390
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 2: That's a great point.

2391
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:17,320
Speaker 7: I think about that too with Rabel, like just I

2392
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 7: know this wasn't his first time coaching, but like.

2393
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: Gets hired, hires a staff, getting up to speed.

2394
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 7: You know, it was a long year for him too,

2395
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:26,320
Speaker 7: having to put this all together.

2396
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 6: Yep.

2397
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, asks anyone on vacation.

2398
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 2: Good for him. And then you go home, deserve it.

2399
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 8: You're done, you go home.

2400
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: Where do you go?

2401
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 2: Darius writes in I've seen a lot of people say

2402
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 2: we should cut Digs even without restructuring his contract, and

2403
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 2: I think that's kind of dumb. The right thing to do,

2404
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 2: in my eyes is keep him as the number two,

2405
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 2: try to get a number one to pair with him.

2406
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 2: He still has value being on the roster, and it's

2407
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 2: still a better receiver than anyone on our roster.

2408
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 3: Now, from strictly a football standpoint, I couldn't agree more Like,

2409
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 3: if you're just looking at it as a football thing,

2410
01:42:58,479 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 3: I think this is one of the things that's going

2411
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 3: up by back side, like the twenty six million dollars

2412
01:43:02,479 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 3: cap hit on Stefan Diggs. If you think that he's

2413
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 3: a good football player, then why do you care. They

2414
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 3: have forty million dollars in cap space. They have plenty

2415
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,439
Speaker 3: of money to throw around, so they don't. Don't start

2416
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 3: pinching pennies.

2417
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 5: For our employer.

2418
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 3: Okay, Like they're all good. It's they have plenty of

2419
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 3: cap space. If you think that he's washed, if you

2420
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 3: think that he can't play anymore.

2421
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: That's a different car argument.

2422
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 3: If you think he's not a good guy off the field,

2423
01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 3: different argument. But if you think that he's gonna be

2424
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 3: a good football player like he was for them this year.

2425
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:31,799
Speaker 9: I'm in line with that theory. Then I'm with somebody

2426
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 9: better than him and have him to be a clear number.

2427
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 3: To have him be the inside guy, and have Alex

2428
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:37,439
Speaker 3: Pierce play on the outside or a J.

2429
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 5: Brown play in the outside or whoever.

2430
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 7: I get all the criticism of him, I just have

2431
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 7: a hard time saying, this is the first guy to

2432
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 7: a thousand yard season here.

2433
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 2: Right, and now we're here to get rid of it,

2434
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 2: you know, And I get it, Like I know, I.

2435
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,680
Speaker 3: Just don't understand bringing up the money. Like, if you

2436
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 3: want to bring up what's going on off the field

2437
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 3: and say that this is you know, it's better to

2438
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 3: get out now, then that's a solid argument. If you

2439
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 3: start bringing up cap hits, I'm like, what do we

2440
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 3: talk about?

2441
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:00,519
Speaker 2: Dig?

2442
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 9: The Dig's argument isn't about what he did, it's what

2443
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 9: you think he's going to do. And I am one

2444
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 9: thousand percent with Evan here. If you think that he's still,

2445
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 9: you know, going to be that player for you, if

2446
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,960
Speaker 9: he then why I don't know why you would want

2447
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 9: to move.

2448
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:16,360
Speaker 8: On unless something happens off the field with this.

2449
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 9: I don't want to make light of you know, his

2450
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 9: is im pending trial or whatever how that all plays out.

2451
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not making light of that at all.

2452
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 9: But if it's football reasons and you think you could

2453
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 9: get better than him, I would I would agree I

2454
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 9: think you can make him number two. I think he

2455
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:36,680
Speaker 9: very well could have another thousand yard season, which to me,

2456
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:38,640
Speaker 9: as you know, if it's going to be on one

2457
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 9: hundred catches again like yawn, like, that doesn't really do

2458
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 9: much for me. If it's not enough place or it's boring,

2459
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 9: it kind of it kind of is I'm not gonna lie,

2460
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:52,640
Speaker 9: that's that's kind of accurate. I don't know, yeah, I

2461
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 9: mean it catches for a thousand yards.

2462
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,720
Speaker 2: First, Now he's gone down fifteen, Well that's where he

2463
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 2: had eighty five hundred. I'll take a guy with one

2464
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 2: hundred catch.

2465
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 8: My point is ten yards of catch doesn't really do

2466
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 8: much for me.

2467
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 2: I'll take it. That's my best guy.

2468
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 9: Now, if I have a guy that's you know, averaging,

2469
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:13,080
Speaker 9: you know, you know that maybe has you know, one

2470
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 9: thousand yards you know on fifteen yards of catch and

2471
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 9: making dynamic plays all over the field, then that's different.

2472
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 9: Now this number two guy is Wes Welker, right, Yeah,

2473
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,160
Speaker 9: that's a little different.

2474
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 5: From a football standpoint.

2475
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,600
Speaker 3: That's that's what they should be trying to do.

2476
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:30,719
Speaker 5: In my opinion, is you know, digs.

2477
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 3: In the playoffs, I think started to see a lot

2478
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,840
Speaker 3: of extra attention in the middle of the field. Team's

2479
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 3: bracketing him, doubling him, you know, rotating the safeties into

2480
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 3: the winter that he's trying to throw into. So, now

2481
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 3: if you have one on ones on the outside because

2482
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:46,479
Speaker 3: they're clamping down on digs, but you have a better

2483
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:50,000
Speaker 3: receiver that's playing outside, well, now you pick your poison. Right,

2484
01:45:50,120 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 3: you have a guy over the top of the outside

2485
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 3: receiver and taking chances with Diggs or vice versa.

2486
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:56,920
Speaker 7: And I'm not going to say he's going to go

2487
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 7: back to being what he was, but is it worth

2488
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 7: mentioning he was first year off an A C L.

2489
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 7: I mean, usually I give a guy a year to

2490
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 7: you know, be back to order. Said, I don't know

2491
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 7: if he's getting back to that level.

2492
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 9: Say if you look back to his last three years,

2493
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 9: that's what he is that guy.

2494
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 3: If he's that guy, but there's somebody taking attention away

2495
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 3: from him, that's playing on the outside, I just think

2496
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 3: that that's perfectly functional, right, that that's gonna be that's

2497
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:21,599
Speaker 3: my two guy.

2498
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:23,720
Speaker 9: I'm all for that now. I think I can have

2499
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 9: the makings of a dynamic passing.

2500
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,479
Speaker 6: It ton Yeah, all right.

2501
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:32,519
Speaker 2: On the phone is Christian from La what's up, Christian.

2502
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:38,080
Speaker 12: Hey you guys, Hey, you guys. I wanted to let

2503
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 12: you guys know the update. I went with my gut

2504
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 12: and I took the tickets for next year and didn't

2505
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 12: go to the Super Bowl up there. I chose to

2506
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 12: tickets and try to go and go this year when

2507
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 12: it when it's so fine. If I was there and

2508
01:46:53,000 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 12: I had spent seven thousand dollars and the game turned

2509
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 12: out the way it did, I would have I would

2510
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,880
Speaker 12: have just been beside myself. So I think I made

2511
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 12: the vist choice. I'm sorry we be lost, but I

2512
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 12: think we're going to be back. And here's what I

2513
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 12: mean by that, you guys, I know you're not going

2514
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 12: to agree with me, but I just got to address

2515
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:18,719
Speaker 12: some nonsense here. Robert Kraft made a man's decision last

2516
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 12: year when he said to a potentially great coach one year,

2517
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 12: you gotta go. I don't have time to wait for

2518
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 12: you to develop. And he got rid of Gerard Mayo

2519
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 12: and he got Mike Brable and we saw what happened.

2520
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 12: We made a similar mistake as I think we're making

2521
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 12: now with Cold Strange because we drafted him high.

2522
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 2: And Will.

2523
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:44,799
Speaker 5: I'm sorry you me and Will Campbell. No, Cold Strange,

2524
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 5: Cole Strange isn't on the team anymore.

2525
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 12: Exactly my point, because we drafted Cole Strange high and

2526
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 12: everyone laughed at us. We kept him way too long.

2527
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 12: We hoped he would develop. We said, up, we put

2528
01:47:58,240 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 12: people on hi the side of him and give him

2529
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 12: some help, he'll develop. Well, guess what happened.

2530
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 8: You got her twice.

2531
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 12: We made well.

2532
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 2: And it's not a kind of apples to Apple are talking.

2533
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 2: They didn't keep Cold Strange too, but no, but even

2534
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:15,320
Speaker 2: if they did, you can get away with holding onto

2535
01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 2: a guard too long more than a head coach.

2536
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, and no one thought that Gerard Mayo has had

2537
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 8: the potential to be a great coach.

2538
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 12: I haven't made yet.

2539
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so far. The only thing we agree

2540
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 2: with is that where we weren't going to agree with you.

2541
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 9: When people say that, I automatically say, I'll bet you

2542
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,360
Speaker 9: I agree with this, but I don't, you know anyway,

2543
01:48:36,439 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 9: keep going Christian, We'll let you go.

2544
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:42,559
Speaker 12: So the point I'm making is we need to just

2545
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 12: rip the band aid off now of what the development

2546
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 12: stage with with with with Will Campbell for two years,

2547
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 12: Let's put the one on the side of them, this side,

2548
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 12: let's put a guard on the inside of him, a

2549
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 12: new title on the outside, and let's let this guy develop.

2550
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 12: We are not in development stage anymore. We are a

2551
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 12: Super Bowl competing team. We need to keep competing. And

2552
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 12: I'm sorry to say this. Like Wilkes, he's a great kid,

2553
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,200
Speaker 12: but we can't wait two years for him to develop.

2554
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 12: That's all I guys say about that the draft. Here's

2555
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:15,800
Speaker 12: the other things that I want to draft about the draft,

2556
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 12: and then I'll get off the air. We have eleven

2557
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:23,519
Speaker 12: picks that eleven chances right to get them that maybe

2558
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:26,080
Speaker 12: won't even play. So why are we stuck on this

2559
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 12: arcade method of drafting? Why don't we take five of

2560
01:49:29,320 --> 01:49:32,760
Speaker 12: those eleven pick that we have? Patritson trying to find

2561
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,759
Speaker 12: a partner to help us move up in the draft. Again,

2562
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 12: we are not in developmental stage anymore. We are not

2563
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, we made it two years.

2564
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 5: We don't have that kind of value. Yeah, sixth round pick?

2565
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:44,400
Speaker 2: What trade?

2566
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 8: What where do you want to move to in the draft.

2567
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 12: I think if we gave up, you know, five of

2568
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,559
Speaker 12: those sixth rounds, when's the last time the five Tom

2569
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 12: Brady and Russell Wilson a sixth round.

2570
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 9: All right, so you want to trade the four to

2571
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 9: sixth round picks. Okay, so now you've got a fifth

2572
01:49:59,200 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 9: round or what are you going to do?

2573
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:04,000
Speaker 12: I don't want to I want to trade the sixth

2574
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 12: round picky to get a third rounder.

2575
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I mean I mean that'd be great.

2576
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2577
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 8: I think you know my line about this one about

2578
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 8: my aunt.

2579
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, she had she had a sex question.

2580
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 8: She'd be my uncle.

2581
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2582
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,559
Speaker 6: That's that's the volume picks to get to the third round.

2583
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,600
Speaker 1: Cold Strange seventeen games, ten games to four games. I

2584
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: mean just he was hurt.

2585
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 9: So and again, Cole Strange was a bad pick.

2586
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 5: I was confused about where he was.

2587
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,280
Speaker 2: It was a bad pick for where they picked him.

2588
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,880
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, like they kept rolling him out there, like

2589
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 7: but yeah, it's not like he started every game for

2590
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 7: three years because he was the first round pick.

2591
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 9: He kept getting hurt. They never could figure out if

2592
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 9: can this guy not stay healthy? Does he have the

2593
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:48,720
Speaker 9: ability to play? Turns out he was not worthy of

2594
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,479
Speaker 9: the first round pick and he couldn't stay healthy. I

2595
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,519
Speaker 9: don't think that they held on to him too long.

2596
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean they were trying to play him at center.

2597
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,000
Speaker 3: I mean they were trying to House House would say, like,

2598
01:50:57,120 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 3: I think Will Campbell's played a lot more, lot better

2599
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 3: at left tackle than Cole Stranger.

2600
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 9: And I would also say, just to be fair, and

2601
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 9: I won't just say all disagree with everything that Christian said.

2602
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 9: If they think that they can get better than Will

2603
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 9: Campbell at left tackle, then I'm all for.

2604
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,760
Speaker 1: Just seven six round picks to get a first This

2605
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 1: whole Chris, we love it.

2606
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:20,240
Speaker 5: I didn't know where he was going.

2607
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 9: I would you know this archaic way of drafting. Well,

2608
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 9: first of all, we don't really know exactly how this

2609
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,439
Speaker 9: regime is good. They had one draft. Let's see maybe

2610
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 9: they maybe they think like you and they feel like

2611
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:33,600
Speaker 9: their rosters are a better spot. We don't need to

2612
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:37,719
Speaker 9: make eleven picks. Maybe they don't making the eight picks.

2613
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 9: Maybe they will trade up two or three times in

2614
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:40,280
Speaker 9: this draft.

2615
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:42,760
Speaker 5: I promise you they don't need to take eleven guys. No,

2616
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 5: well they don't, for our sake, for anybody's.

2617
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 7: Sake, it is one of the really hard things to

2618
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 7: figure out a guy like Jared Wilson and say, do

2619
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 7: we believe that he, with a little time is going

2620
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 7: to be a plus center or a plus left guard,

2621
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 7: you know, and having to make that decision now. But

2622
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,000
Speaker 7: I just I hate the general sentiment. I hated it

2623
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:01,639
Speaker 7: when I was blogging. The people say, if the rookie

2624
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 7: stunk as a rookie, he's always gonna stink and no

2625
01:52:04,120 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 7: one's ever going to get better and they are what

2626
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:07,720
Speaker 7: they are, and so just get rid of them now,

2627
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:09,840
Speaker 7: you know, you gotta give you got to pick the

2628
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:12,480
Speaker 7: right guys to give the time too. I understand the pos.

2629
01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:14,479
Speaker 9: Agree with that, you know, just I also agree with

2630
01:52:14,520 --> 01:52:16,640
Speaker 9: the other side. If the guy plays right away, he

2631
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 9: doesn't mean right like.

2632
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: And that's right, and so you got to pick the

2633
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:21,360
Speaker 1: right guys. It's a hard decision.

2634
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:23,800
Speaker 7: I mean, like, you know, Josh Farmer, I don't know,

2635
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 7: we saw little of him this year. Do they still think, man,

2636
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 7: he was coming? You know, I don't know what I said.

2637
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 7: I don't know Josh. I don't know what any of

2638
01:52:29,800 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 7: these guys are, but maybe they believe in you know,

2639
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:33,880
Speaker 7: I'm just picking a random one. I mean, I think

2640
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,679
Speaker 7: Will Campbell's a different example, because he's a fourth overall pick.

2641
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 3: And he's just played better than all these guys, right

2642
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:42,240
Speaker 3: and like, especially pre injury. Like I think the Will

2643
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 3: Campbell that we're thinking of is obviously the guy that

2644
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 3: played in the playoffs and didn't play well in the playoffs.

2645
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 3: But for the first twelve thirteen weeks of the season,

2646
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 3: he was not playing like he did in the playoffs.

2647
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 8: And no, and it wasn't that bad.

2648
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I would just say, you know, with guys

2649
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 3: that are picked high in the draft, you are going

2650
01:52:57,880 --> 01:52:58,719
Speaker 3: to give them more leaps.

2651
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 5: That's just the we just pick of the draft.

2652
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 8: I'm sorry the beast, that's the way it works.

2653
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 9: And he's going to get more opportunities than Marcus Bryant

2654
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 9: was picking the seventh round.

2655
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:11,640
Speaker 3: And can you like start like this is the time

2656
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 3: of year where we got to put names to claims, man,

2657
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 3: Like if you're gonna move this, okay, yeah, Like if

2658
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,559
Speaker 3: you're gonna move them, if you're gonna you know, move

2659
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 3: on from him, or whatever dramatic thing you want to say,

2660
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 3: Like you have to be able to have an answer

2661
01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 3: at left tackle, Like, so, who's gonna play left tackle?

2662
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 2: Team Will? I'm team Will. He's gonna do what he

2663
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 2: needs to do to get better in the off season,

2664
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 2: get healthy, It'll be good.

2665
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 8: I'm team Will.

2666
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,599
Speaker 9: Team Will.

2667
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:39,679
Speaker 2: He's a free agent.

2668
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna sign.

2669
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 3: He was just trending in such a fine direction before

2670
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 3: he got hurt. And so I'm not saying it's all

2671
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 3: just on the knee, but like, can we at least

2672
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 3: acknowledge the fact that he was playing on a bum

2673
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 3: knee and then he was also playing the best pass

2674
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 3: rushes in the NFL with on a bum knee. So like,

2675
01:53:57,600 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 3: let's see what he looks like could start next season.

2676
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 3: Does he look like the guy that would you know,

2677
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 3: pre injury? Or does he look like the guy in

2678
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 3: the playoffs?

2679
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 6: All right, let's go to Brad in Ohio.

2680
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 2: He'll be our last caller. What's up, Brad?

2681
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:13,600
Speaker 24: He love fellow.

2682
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:14,639
Speaker 12: How are we doing today?

2683
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:19,080
Speaker 24: Okay, I'm gonna make a brief because I know you're out.

2684
01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 24: We're about out of time. So I think, first of all,

2685
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 24: Joshua's hamstrung call and plays in the super Bowl for

2686
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 24: the exact reasons you've all been discussing Number one, that

2687
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 24: was so obvious. And then for McDaniel's offense, he's a

2688
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 24: running game oriented guy. So I would want hopefully that

2689
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 24: we draft in that where we're going to be drafting

2690
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 24: a blocking tight end that can catch too. And then

2691
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 24: I wanted to ask Evan about a fullback that plays

2692
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 24: for Michigan, Max Bredeston, that I would love to see

2693
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 24: in a Patriots uniform in Josh McDaniel's offense.

2694
01:54:58,760 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 4: And that's all I got.

2695
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:03,840
Speaker 23: Guys like the Indiana Okay, thanks, thanks Brad, Yeah, see

2696
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 23: you about full back, and he got you know, Brock

2697
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 23: lamp He's still technically under contract with the team, and

2698
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 23: I think they thought he was going to be the

2699
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:12,520
Speaker 23: full back.

2700
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 19: I didn't.

2701
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:17,480
Speaker 3: They really felt like that they had the guy already

2702
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 3: with Lampy. So we'll see what happens there. But that

2703
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,520
Speaker 3: goes back to my point I was making earlier, like

2704
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:24,160
Speaker 3: is that the hip of offense you want to be?

2705
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:24,640
Speaker 10: Like?

2706
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 5: Do they want to be under center? Twenty one two? Back?

2707
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 5: Full back behind the quarterback?

2708
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 1: Like?

2709
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 5: Is that is that the the way they want to play?

2710
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:35,840
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know. We'll find out.

2711
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 6: We will find out, and we'll be back on Thursday

2712
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 6: catch twenty two this week tomorrow.

2713
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 2: Because I know Bartha said he's was sick.

2714
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 5: What he's fine? Yeah, he told you he was sick.

2715
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 2: He is on air he was telling people he got

2716
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 2: really sick coming back from the super Bowl.

2717
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 6: The other thing I want to.

2718
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:54,840
Speaker 2: Know is I was sitting next to you on as

2719
01:55:54,960 --> 01:55:57,880
Speaker 2: Taylor Kyle's got his account Bay, he did.

2720
01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,160
Speaker 3: An he got it back yesterday and he posts say

2721
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 3: the picture like him holding up a piece of paper

2722
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 3: and it was like it's actually me or or whatever

2723
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:06,360
Speaker 3: to like prove that it.

2724
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 5: Wasn't like a box.

2725
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:09,960
Speaker 2: But the real question is would he rather lose the

2726
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 2: account and have the mer sake. That's a lot of

2727
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:14,240
Speaker 2: work that'd be worth it.

2728
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 5: He can't post film anymore have the account.

2729
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 3: I think he spent a lot of his life building

2730
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 3: up that account, but he can't post film anymore.

2731
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 5: That's a good point.

2732
01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 2: So I think you and Boss should have guests, and

2733
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 2: you should bring in Taylor once.

2734
01:56:28,440 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 5: We'd be happy to know.

2735
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 6: Why not.

2736
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 1: It can be only one.

2737
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 8: Let's have them all for the organization.

2738
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 2: Seems like they do any.

2739
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 19: Wow.

2740
01:56:39,080 --> 01:56:42,240
Speaker 5: Wow say that prank caller.

2741
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 7: Prank caller, I don't know that somebody hacked Paul.

2742
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 2: All right, I'm taking my vouchback. We'll talk to you

2743
01:56:48,680 --> 01:56:51,160
Speaker 2: on Thursday.

2744
01:56:52,040 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: Hey, this is Deuce.

2745
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:54,200
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2746
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:55,880
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2747
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2749
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:00,600
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2750
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:02,480
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01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,600
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2752
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:05,320
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