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Speaker 2: All my life, grounding all my life, sacrifice, hustle, ped

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Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome to another episode of Club Shay Shay. I

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Speaker 3: am your host, Shannon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of

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Speaker 3: Club Shasha. The guy that's stopping by for conversation and

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Speaker 3: a drink today. He really needs no introduction, but here

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Speaker 3: He's one of the most awarded musicians of our generation.

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Speaker 3: He's won two Emmy Awards, twelve Grammys, an Oscar an

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Speaker 3: a soul for superstar, A dedicated and global humanitalian humanitarian,

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Speaker 3: He's a proud dad, he's a loving husband. Let's give

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Speaker 3: it up for the one, the only, John Letch Shannon.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that introduct you, man.

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Speaker 4: I ain't know I was getting an introduction like that. Bro.

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Speaker 3: We don't give people what they deserve. We give people

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Speaker 3: what they earn. And everything that I read up this card,

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: So I know you're very busy, John. We've been trying

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here, man, I'm a fan.

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Speaker 3: I've been I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I want to toast you. Say you haven't had my cognact.

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Speaker 3: This is shape by Laportier here. I wanted to toast

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Speaker 3: you for everything that you've done, the great man, the

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Speaker 4: Cheers, brother, appreciate you, son. Oh yeah, I thought you

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Speaker 3: You know, John, I want to congratulate you on your

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Speaker 3: went shopping yesterday on Amazon. Scrolling through, I was like,

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Speaker 3: So I did come up with a gift, all right,

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Speaker 1: This is great because you know, it's got pictures of

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Speaker 4: And I'm the yearbook maker in our family.

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Speaker 3: Since you are the gift giver, I read that in

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Speaker 1: Well, I've set the bar pretty high for myself. That

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Speaker 4: Sometimes she just wants to sit in her robe and chill.

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Speaker 1: One time, we just had a pajama party at the house,

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Speaker 3: A lot of time, really, so she don't like a

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Speaker 3: Right now, we all know how the meeting took place.

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Speaker 3: You met on one of your music video, Yes, Stereo,

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Speaker 4: It was something my friend Nabelle.

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Speaker 1: We had chemistry and we started hanging out like literally

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so you okay, you look at he showed

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Speaker 1: Started to know like a year, little less than a

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Speaker 4: And she's modeling.

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Speaker 4: How different is she from the women that you've dated

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Speaker 4: I always dated beautiful women, but yeah, musician and singers

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Speaker 1: So but she was a perfect combination of like beautiful, cool, funny.

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Speaker 4: Because i'd be I'm kind of chill. Yeah, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: And she's obviously more dynamic, and I think having that

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Speaker 3: Right now, a lot of experts says sleeping with someone

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Speaker 4: To saying that, but but here.

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Speaker 3: We are, here, and we are eighteen years later, here

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Speaker 3: we are. Why do you think you guys have success now?

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Speaker 3: I've had a conversation with some women and they say, Shannon,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a scarcity if they're not going to wait.

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Speaker 3: Like John, when you and I were growing up, the

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Speaker 3: you wait three months. You might wait. He not waiting.

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Speaker 4: That is true. That is often the case.

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Speaker 1: So exactly, you might not be ready to do that,

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Speaker 4: Springfull, Ohio. Yes, but Haitian's still eating the cattle. My lord.

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Speaker 3: a very fondness of your father. Yeah, and I want

436
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 3: to know how much of the father you are is

437
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 3: a direct tie to the father that.

438
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 4: He Oh, it's directly related to him. One. I think

439
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 4: I inherited a lot of his personality. So I'm a

440
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 4: lot like him.

441
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 1: And I think i'd be like him anyway, because we're

442
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: just built the same way.

443
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,480
Speaker 4: So that's one thing.

444
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: But I was able to one my father stress the

445
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 1: importance of character, and he was intentional about teaching us

446
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: what it meant to be a good human being, person

447
00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: of character, person of responsibility, person of integrity and honesty,

448
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: someone that is trustworthy and dependable and accountable, all these things.

449
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 4: He taught us what it meant to be a good man.

450
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: And so he taught us that and my mother was

451
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: a great mother as well, but she after her mother died,

452
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 1: she was dealing with mental health issues and then addiction

453
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: is shit, and so she was out of our lives

454
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: for a while. So he had to be a single

455
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: father for a while. And the way he stepped up

456
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: to that occasion, knowing that he had to do it

457
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: by himself, with help from our extended family, but he

458
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: had to do it by himself.

459
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: Seeing him do that.

460
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: And step up to the plate for us and always

461
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: be there for us and show us what it meant

462
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 1: to be a good man, I'll always honor him for

463
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 1: that and always look up to him for that, and

464
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: I always say he's my role model when it comes

465
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: to being a good father.

466
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 4: I remember you telling the story.

467
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, in case you guys don't know, this man is

468
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: a prodigy. He was homeschooled early on. He got bumped

469
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 3: up two grades. I think he graduated at the age

470
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: of fifteen sixteen sixteen from high school. He enrolled in

471
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: college at the age of sixteen. And you had the

472
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 3: ideal life, two parent household, kids, church going. Your mom

473
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: was the choir director from directory. Your grandmother played the organ.

474
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 3: Your father was a hard working man, but he was

475
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: in the church also, guy grew up in the church

476
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 3: and everything was perfect. Yeah, your grandmother, your maternal grandmother, passed,

477
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: which is your mom's mom. Yeah, and it shook the

478
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: foundation of the Legend family.

479
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 4: Yeah. And my mother and her mother were very close.

480
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: Yes, so they like you said, you know, one's the

481
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: choir director, one's organists. That means every choir rehearsal, they're together, Yes,

482
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: leading the choir. They spent a lot of time together.

483
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: They were very close. And it was shocking when my

484
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: grandmother died. She was only fifty eight years old and

485
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: she had heart failure.

486
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 4: And it really threw my mother.

487
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: It through her and we lost her for a while,

488
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: Like we lost her for like ten solid years. She

489
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: was out of our lives and she went to a

490
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: dark place and it was because she couldn't handle it

491
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: when her mother passed away, and it really did shake

492
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: our whole family. This happened when I was around ten

493
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: or eleven years old, and so I started going to

494
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: public school for the first time after my mother wasn't

495
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: able to homeschool us anymore, and she was out of

496
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: our lives for a while.

497
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: How difficult was that for you, John, because there's one thing, Okay,

498
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: your mom. Let's just say you're in Ohio, Springfield, Ohio,

499
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: and your mom's in Detroit. She's in Chicago, she's in

500
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: New York. She's a thousand miles away. But if I'm

501
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 3: not mistaken, your mom was in the same city.

502
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: She was in the same city. But I was avoiding

503
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: like she avoided. I didn't want to see her, oh,

504
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 4: because it was hard.

505
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: It's hard to see your mother like strut addiction, and

506
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: like she was so beautiful and so vibrant and so talented.

507
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: She was singing at events all the time and just gorgeous,

508
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: and then to see that light go from her and

509
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: to see her addicted to drugs.

510
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: It was very hard for me to see her.

511
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: And so I avoided seeing her and focus on everything

512
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: else but her right because it was too hard.

513
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 4: For me to see her.

514
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: How did you stay focused knowing that your mom is

515
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: going through something and there's something that there's you can't

516
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 3: do anything about it. She's going to have to try

517
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 3: to figure this out on your own. But you realize

518
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: there's a bigger calling for John Ledge at the time,

519
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 3: John Steve would be well, they gave us a great foundation,

520
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 3: so my mother and father, them homeschooling us and giving

521
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: us the foundation that they gave us, It actually made

522
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 3: it so that we were able to cope better once

523
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 3: she was gone.

524
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean it was easy.

525
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,959
Speaker 1: It was easy, but at least, you know, they had

526
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: put so much time in preparation and intention into raising

527
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: us to be good young people that there was still

528
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: that after effects of that lingering after she was gone.

529
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: And then my dad did great work, and then I

530
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: think our extended family did great work too. I had

531
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: uncles and aunts that were near us that you know,

532
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: were part of our support system.

533
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 4: You know, they say it takes a village. We had

534
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 4: a village around us.

535
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: And then I had a counselor at my high school

536
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: that was a black man. And I went to a

537
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 1: majority white school and majority of the adults at the

538
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: school were white as well, but there was one black

539
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: man that was a counselor and he took a special

540
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: interest in me and my family and he just mentored me.

541
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: Neither of my parents graduated from college, so it was

542
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: good to have somebody who was a college graduate that

543
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: was mentoring me, who was a black man that looked

544
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: like me and cared about my future and didn't want

545
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: me to slip through the cracks. And then I think

546
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: because of what was going on with my parents and

547
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: with my mother, it just kind of made me want

548
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: to focus on something else, and music and school were

549
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: the things I focused on. How difficult was it being homeschool?

550
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: I mean, did you have a whole lot of friends?

551
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: I mean, you say your brothers and sisters were homeschool

552
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 3: but after school was over, I mean, I don't know

553
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: what time, what how homeschooling worked. Are you like, you

554
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: get five hours of homeschooling? Did you go out to

555
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 3: play with friends that's close by or so?

556
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: We grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of kids,

557
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: and I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot

558
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: of my cousins not too far from me, and so

559
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: we would go in the backyard or around the corner

560
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: and play football with them and basketball, and so we

561
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: had a really nice family network around us. But I

562
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: was a little shy and socially, you're not as used

563
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: to dealing with a lot of different new people if

564
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: you don't go to school.

565
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: And so when.

566
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: I finally went to public school, I was shy man

567
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: and the only reason that I integrated into like the

568
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: social life of the school was music. Because if there

569
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: was a talent show, if there was a choir, if

570
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: there was any opportunity for me to sing, I knew

571
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: I could sing. And so that was the one way

572
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: that I found to like introduce myself to people. Oh

573
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: that's the one who can sing. That's the young guy

574
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: who's two grades ahead, but he can sing.

575
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

576
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: And so I would get to school and that was

577
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: my way of introducing myself to people. Even when I

578
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: went to college, I was still two years younger than everybody.

579
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: And I was also from kind of a background that

580
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: wasn't typical of a kid at the University of Pennsylvania.

581
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 4: Correct.

582
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: So a lot of those kids were East Coast kids.

583
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: They went to fancy private schools, a lot of them

584
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: come from money, and I'm coming there from a blue

585
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: collar family from a small city in Ohio, and I

586
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: had every reason to feel like I'm not one of them.

587
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: And music was my only way of like making myself,

588
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: making myself feel.

589
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 4: A part of things and including in things.

590
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: You said that you're two years younger, so you go

591
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: to high school, what you were you were twelve years old?

592
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 4: Was my nickname was Doogie Howsing.

593
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 3: You go to college, You go to college, you're sixteen

594
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: years of age? So how different? How difficult was it?

595
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: Because first of all, the upper classmen don't want to

596
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: deal with freshermen that are fourteen, let alone dealn with

597
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: one that's twelve exactly.

598
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 4: And when I went to college, I lied about my age.

599
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: I didn't even lie that hard, like I was sixteen

600
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: and I said I was seventeen.

601
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 4: So I didn't want to feel like I was.

602
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: Too much of a freak being there, like, so I

603
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: just and stood up one year just so it didn't

604
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: seem odd that I was the I was just a

605
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: little young.

606
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: But John, when people look at you, I mean, you're

607
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: an adult now, I can imagine someone your size back then.

608
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: You look young, yeah, like you and I'm five to

609
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: ten now. Like when I was in high school, I

610
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: was four eleven. When I started high school.

611
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: A four eleven, twelve year old, I.

612
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: Was tidy man, And you know, I was just behind

613
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: in every like obviously I'm like twelve years old.

614
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: Everybody else's fourteen. And so it's just it wasn't easy. No,

615
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: did you did you.

616
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: Play sports in high school or what what school was?

617
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: A school music?

618
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: Was that I am a terrible athlete. Man.

619
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: Now I love sports like I watched sports.

620
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: I watch you all the.

621
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Time, and I played all the time with my cousins,

622
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: with my brothers. But when it came to organized sports,

623
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: the last time I played organized sports was basketball in

624
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: elementary school. And since then I played for fun all

625
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: the time. But I was never good enough. And also

626
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: when you're two years younger, like you're physically just behind everybody,

627
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: and so I ain't have a chance.

628
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: And they don't take that into account.

629
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah again, okay, you're a freshman, they're freshman, like you're

630
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: being measured on the same You know.

631
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, And we were telling you were telling

632
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: the story that you're and your dad are a lot

633
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: of light and he gave you the foundation to become

634
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: the man that you became and become the father that

635
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 3: you become.

636
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: So obviously he had to deal with something.

637
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: His wife of a long period of time went through

638
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: about of depression and he kind of lost.

639
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: It for a while. They ended up remarrying, and we'll

640
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 4: get to that.

641
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: So when your situation, Christy's struggling to have kids with

642
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: that the time that you lean back and you thought about,

643
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: like my dad, how was.

644
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: My dad out of this situation?

645
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I really I think part of my

646
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: journey has been forgiving my mother and learning that when

647
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: trauma happens to people, when events happen in their lives,

648
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard for them to recover, and they go

649
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: through mental health struggles and people that are in their family,

650
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: the people that they love, they need to have some

651
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: grace with them and help them through that. And so

652
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: whenever Christy struggled with anything, I think I did, we

653
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: had learned from what happened with my mother, And she's

654
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: also learned from what's happened with her mother too, because

655
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: when her mother's mother died, she actually went through a

656
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: similar thing where.

657
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: She disappeared from the family.

658
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: She went back to Thailand spent some time with her

659
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: family there, and Chrissie lost her mom for a while

660
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: after her mother's mother died, and so we've both been

661
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: through a similar sense of loss of not having our

662
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: mothers in our lives for a while and seeing what

663
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: their response was to their mothers dying. And so I

664
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: think we've both learned from that and we know we

665
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: need to like double up when it comes to the

666
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: energy and support that we give each other when we're

667
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: going through tough times.

668
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: You realize, I mean, you guys started dating. She wants

669
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: four kids, You want four kids. But it wasn't that easy,

670
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken. I think three of the four

671
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: kids ivy up with youth and the fourth was a Sarahate.

672
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: Well, actually four or five were IVF, and the only

673
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: kid we conceived naturally was the one we lost, baby Jack.

674
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: So all the rest of our kids are conceived through IVF.

675
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: So that's tough. Yeah, that's tough for for a mom

676
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: to have to go through that. Yeah, obviously it is

677
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: tough on you. So John, when you when you have

678
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: to console your wife because you know how bad you

679
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: wanted this job.

680
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 4: What what are you saying? How do you like? Chris?

681
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there's not enough. I'm sorry, there's not enough.

682
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: And the thing you got to realize is you're not

683
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: going to solve the problem in that moment. And you know,

684
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm a person that likes to solve the problem, Like

685
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm very like, I want to solve it, I want

686
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: to fix it.

687
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 4: And sometimes you gotta realize you can't fix it.

688
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: You're just gonna have to live in it for a

689
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: while and you're gonna get through it. But you can't

690
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: fix it all all of a sudden. There's no magical

691
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: words you can say to fix it. But you need

692
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: to be there, you need to be supported, and you

693
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: need to work together to get through it.

694
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: Right.

695
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: Also, that she had a life saving abortion, Is that

696
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: why you're so adamant?

697
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 4: Oh?

698
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, about the situation with that. The woman have the right,

699
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: it's her body, her choice and Roe v. Wade, what

700
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: made you so upset that it got overturned after fifty

701
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: plus years?

702
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Now, I was always pro choice, actually not always.

703
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: I grew up in the church, and we were taught that,

704
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: you know, we were supposed to be pro life what

705
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: I was growing up in the church, But as soon

706
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: as I became an.

707
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: Adult, I just realized that we need that choice.

708
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: We don't need the government telling us what to do,

709
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: and women don't need the government telling them.

710
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: What to do with their bodies.

711
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: And life is complicated and there are all kinds of

712
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: reasons why people might want or need an impression, and

713
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: the government has no place in that decision. But then

714
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: when we went through all these fertility struggles and then

715
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: had a miscarriage. It made it even more clear to

716
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: me how personal everything that happened in that room with

717
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: your obgyn. Everything that happens in that room is private,

718
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and it's so intensely personal and intensely physical. A woman

719
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: feels every aspect of this thing forcing them to carry

720
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: something for nine months. If they don't want a government

721
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: doing that.

722
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: That's crazy to me.

723
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: And then what people don't realize is when you say, oh,

724
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it as long as it's you know,

725
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: up to fifteen weeks. Like people that have an abortion

726
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: after fifteen weeks almost always they wanted to keep the baby,

727
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: but there's some kind of complication that came up that

728
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: they have to have an abortion. So my wife, she

729
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: was well past fifteen weeks when she had to have

730
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: an abortion.

731
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 4: She was miscarrying and bleeding out and all these things

732
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 4: were happening. Her life was in danger, her life was

733
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: in danger.

734
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: And for the government to say, we need to evaluate

735
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: this to make sure you're sufficiently dying before you can

736
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: have an abortion, that's what they're saying in Texas and

737
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: in Georgia and in all these states, where they have

738
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Trump abortion bands.

739
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 4: They're saying, we need to the government needs to evaluate

740
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: whether you are sufficiently dying before you can have an abortion.

741
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: Not your doctor, not you and your family. The government. No,

742
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: stay out of it. Let these women.

743
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: Let them and their families and their doctors make these decisions.

744
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: We don't need the government to be involved in it.

745
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: And if the government's involved, that means the police and

746
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: the district attorney are involved in medical decisions.

747
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 4: That's crazy. It's crazy. I agree, and overturning Roe versus way.

748
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: Trump wants to claim credit for it, but at the

749
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: same time, like I just put it with the states.

750
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Oh no, you put it with the states of Texas,

751
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: of States of Georgia, Alabama, of you know, you.

752
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: Put it with these states. And by the way, that's

753
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: where most black women.

754
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: Live in the South, southern states in the South, So

755
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: that means the majority of black women or in regimes

756
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: that would rather possibly let them die before giving them.

757
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 4: The life, safe and treatment that they need.

758
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: You also, one of your sons has Type one diabetes. Correct, Yes,

759
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: he got diagnosed. How's that going. He's going good?

760
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 4: You know.

761
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: Obviously we have the resources and the support we need

762
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: to take care of them. And you know, one of

763
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: the things that I think about when I think about

764
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: politics is the role that parents play in their lives.

765
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: What it means to have a health concern with your kid.

766
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: And we're very fortunate we have the resources to take

767
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: care of it. But insulin used to be expensive, and

768
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: it's still expensive if you're not a senior.

769
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons I voting for Kamla.

770
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: Harris is because she's already limited the costs of insulin

771
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: for seniors, and they're working to limit it for everyone

772
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: below senior citizen status. So these kinds of things directly

773
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: impact people's lives all around the country. And like I said,

774
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: we can afford it, but most people can't. And so

775
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: when people have these kind of medical issues they need

776
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: to deal with. This is important. And by the way,

777
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: Obamacare made it so that if you have a pre existing.

778
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: Condition, they couldn't deny which type one diabetes would be

779
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: a pre existing condition.

780
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: So if my son grew up and tried to get

781
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: insurance under the old regime, he wouldn't have been able

782
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: to get it because they'd be like, nah, we know

783
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: he's going to cost.

784
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 4: The runny Or if it'd be so high he couldn't

785
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: afford it. Yeah, exactly, it would be so high he

786
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: couldn't afford it.

787
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: And so the fact that they make it impossible for

788
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: you to discriminate against people with pre existing conditions is

789
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: life saving and life changing for a lot of people.

790
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: And the only reason you can do that is you

791
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: increase the pool of people who are insured so that

792
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: the healthy people help pay for the sick people.

793
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 4: And so you have to have them in the same pool.

794
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: And that was the genius of Obamacare that it did that,

795
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: and it made it so they couldn't discriminate against people

796
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: who have the pre existing condition.

797
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: Would there imberbil situation where he won't have will he built?

798
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: Could he possibly get healthy enough John where he wouldn't

799
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: have to take influence?

800
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, I just had a conversation with his doctor

801
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: today and she said that's possible. And by the way,

802
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: technology keeps improving when it comes to diabetes care. And

803
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: so I hope for a day when he doesn't need

804
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: to be on insulin, but for now he does, and

805
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,479
Speaker 1: lots of people do, and it over indexes with black

806
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: and brown people, and so we needed a system where

807
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: it's more affordable for everybody.

808
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: How did you how did you know? How did the

809
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: doctors find out that he was he was diabetic? Well,

810
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: he got sick. He was at football camp. He was

811
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: at football camp, and the whole camp got sick.

812
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: So it was something in the food or the drink

813
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: that they were having, and everybody got this disease.

814
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: It's kind of like Simonell's called.

815
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: Shigella, and so everybody got sick and he went to

816
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: the hospital. We didn't know what it was at the time,

817
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: but he was one of the first people that got sick.

818
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: But the whole almost the whole camp got sick. So

819
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: he goes there and they're like, oh, it's blood sugar

820
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: is really elevated. Maybe it's because of the infection, but

821
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: maybe he actually has high blood sugar. And they kept

822
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: testing him and they did arresting blood sugar after a

823
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: while and they just were like, yeah, he's consistently elevated.

824
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: His A one c's higher than normal, and so we

825
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: think he has type one and so we started going

826
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: down the path.

827
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: Last year, you celebrated your tenth year wedding anniversary and

828
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: you went back to Lake Como. Yes, you and the

829
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: kids and Chrissy, Why was that important for you to

830
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 3: go back there?

831
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: It was, Well, first of all, we loved our wedding

832
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: and we had such a beautiful time there. We fell

833
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: in love at Lake so one of our first vacations

834
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: together was at Lake Coma, and that's when I was.

835
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 4: Like, oh, I'm feeling that it felt different.

836
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: And so I was like, this is where we fell

837
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: in love and it's a beautiful, magical place. If anybody

838
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: can afford to go there, I suggest you do it.

839
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: So we got married there and as we were coming

840
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: on this first big milestone ten years, we had four

841
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: kids now and we were like, we want to do

842
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: it again with this bigger family. And also we had

843
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: people in our lives that were really close to now

844
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: that we weren't close to back then, and so it's

845
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: it's nice to include them into this moment too.

846
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: And then when we did it.

847
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: We were so happy we did it because we basically

848
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: did a lot of the same things we did before.

849
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: We had it at the same venue and we had

850
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: the same planner, but the biggest difference was having the kids.

851
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: Yet, Yeah, four four kids.

852
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: There and we started crying when we pulled up to

853
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: the venue and the kids are right there to greet us.

854
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: That sent us right there. Man.

855
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: It was so special having that moment, celebrating this milestone together,

856
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: everything we've been through as a couple, and then seeing

857
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: the product of our love right there in front of us.

858
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: It was beautiful. Man.

859
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 3: You saying I don't love you like I used to?

860
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: What did that song mean?

861
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: So that song is from my album Legend, And we

862
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: wrote that song because the title is kind of provocative.

863
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't love you like breakup?

864
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 4: Am I reading this correct you like I used to?

865
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 4: I'm like yeah.

866
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: And the whole idea once you listen to the lyric

867
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: is that it's stronger now, it's better now, it's deeper.

868
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: Yes, it's more. I love you more than I used to.

869
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: It's more tested.

870
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: And when you're tested through challenge and trials and all

871
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: the situations you go through together as a family, it's

872
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: it's something deeper and stronger.

873
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: And that's what the song is really about. Wow. And

874
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 4: it's a perfect song for anniversary, you know, twenty year

875
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 4: anniversary of Get Lifted. Yeah, that was your debut album. Yes, sir,

876
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 4: how were you able to come out the gate so strong?

877
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: You know?

878
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things came together at once.

879
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, it was a great time

880
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: for me and Kanye to meet. So we met in

881
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. We were both unsigned at the time,

882
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: but he had just started producing.

883
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 4: With Jay Z and the Folks at Rockefeller Records.

884
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: And when we started working together, I just found that

885
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: our chemistry, our combination of different skills and different influences,

886
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: when it came together, it worked, yes, and we made

887
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: music that was really.

888
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: Interesting and different and special.

889
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 1: And then he had just come out with College Dropout

890
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: in February of two thousand and four, so being signed

891
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: to his production company and then being the first artist

892
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: that came out under his production company, it was a

893
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: great setup.

894
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 4: So he's already succeeding.

895
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: And I got signed almost right after his debut album

896
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: came out because all labels that had turned us down

897
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: before they turned us down. And it was the same demo,

898
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: but when his album came out, so four hundred thousand

899
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: copies of the first week, Oh it's.

900
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: Out a lot better, demo signed a lot better.

901
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: So we played the same demo for him, but all

902
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden it sounded better, and then multiple labels

903
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: wanted to sign me, and all of them had turned

904
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: me down before, and.

905
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 4: So a little more now yeah calls them more.

906
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: So signed with Columbia, but the setup was already really

907
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: nice because of what happened with Yay And so.

908
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: His album came out in February. I got signed in May.

909
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: My first single, used to Love You, came out in August,

910
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: but then Ordinary People came out right around when the

911
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: album came out in December, and Ordinary People was the

912
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: song that really put you put me on the map.

913
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: So you gotta remember during this period, like nothing sounded

914
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: like this on black radio. It was by itself, like

915
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 1: when it came on, it made people stop. People told

916
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: me all the time I stopped the car, I was like,

917
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 1: what is this because it didn't sound like anything else

918
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: on the radio, and it stood out as special and

919
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: that really became my signature, Like I'm going to sing

920
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: that heartfelt, honest song about love.

921
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: A lot of times it's just stripped me and the piano,

922
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 4: and I'm.

923
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: Gonna tell it like it is in this song and

924
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: voice the things that people have a hard time voicing

925
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: in their own words, and they're gonna use my song

926
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: to do it. And so that's been my signature ever since.

927
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: But Ordinary People was the thing that really established that.

928
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: And it was the first station that played it was

929
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: WGCI in Chicago, and it wasn't even being marketed as

930
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: the single yet.

931
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 4: When they started playing it, we had a sampler.

932
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: Out and we put used to Love You ordinary People

933
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: as full songs.

934
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 4: And this is in the CD era.

935
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: So we're hand out CDs with ordinary People used to

936
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Love You as the full songs, and then snippets of

937
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: three other songs before my album came out, So we

938
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: would give that to folks at my shows, but also

939
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: give it to radio stations, and we were telling them

940
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: to play used to Love You. Some of them were

941
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: playing it, but wgc I was like, oh, we play

942
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: another song. We're playing ordinary People. And it became a

943
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: hit in Chicago, and then it started to spread to

944
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: other black radio stations around the country, and then it

945
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: crossed over some, but mostly it was a black radio

946
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: phenomenon and.

947
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 4: It really put me on the map and changed my life.

948
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: Is it true now?

949
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: Like I said at the concert at the Hollywood Bowl,

950
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 3: you were telling the story that it was originally written

951
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 3: black Eyed Peas.

952
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: Yes, so me and where I Am?

953
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: We had the same manager at the time, and we

954
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: have written together before we wrote she don't have to

955
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: know which is on Get Lifted. We had written songs

956
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: for The Black Eyed Peas and we had a nice rapport,

957
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: so whenever he was working on a new album, He's like, John,

958
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: come by, let's write some songs. And so he would

959
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: just play beats and I would just hum whatever came

960
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: to my head and we'd try to write some hooks for.

961
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: The Black Eyed Peas.

962
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: And Ordinary People started as a hook that I wrote

963
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: for them over a hip hop beat. But a couple

964
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: of days later, I was like, you can keep every

965
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: other idea we wrote. I think I want to keep

966
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Ordinary And I was like, I think it's worked better

967
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: actually as a ballot, I think so. And so I

968
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: was on the road with Kanye in Europe and every

969
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: sound check I would write more of the verses to

970
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Ordinate People. I finished it on the road with him,

971
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: and then I came back home to the States and

972
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: recorded it. And I recorded it as a demo and

973
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you can produce it. I'm just

974
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: gonna record the piano in the vocal, and the more

975
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: we all listen to it, we were like, let's just

976
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: leave the demo alone. So the version that eventually made

977
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: the album was just the piano vocal demo that I

978
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: was sending to Will originally just as a as a

979
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: demo for him to produce up and the arrange and put,

980
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, whatever he's gonna put on it, but it

981
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: ended up sounding better, just stripped down, so we just

982
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: left it that way.

983
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 4: Is it true?

984
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: Ordinary People was about the situation that your family had

985
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: gone through because your mom and dad are separated, they

986
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: had gotten back together, and we're saying, we're just ordinary people.

987
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 4: We don't know who's way to go.

988
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: And I wasn't in like a serious relationship at the time,

989
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: so I wasn't speaking from direct personal experience in my

990
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: own own relationship.

991
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: I was still like a bachelor doing my thing, having fun.

992
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: But my parents, I had seen the ups and downs

993
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: with them, and that was really directly.

994
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: Informing what I was writing for in Their People.

995
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: Wow, now you've mentioned Kanye, and I don't know Kanye

996
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: from this glass of water here, but I know he

997
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: seems like a perfessionist. Is that everything has to be

998
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 3: lining up or it's not getting out the door. Yeah,

999
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 3: how is his writing his style of doing things different

1000
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: than yours.

1001
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 1: We're different, but I feel like us together works really

1002
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: well because we have different strengths. And he's such a

1003
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: great producer, a great beat maker, and he's also just

1004
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: exceptionally creative. Like his mind it goes all over the place. Yes,

1005
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: and he's created visually. So he directed the video for

1006
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: Ordinary People Wow. And you know he's a fashion designer. Yes,

1007
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: he's a director. He's a visionary. And so he just

1008
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: came with different strengths than what I came with. Now,

1009
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: I'm a great songwriter, obviously, I'm a pianist.

1010
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 4: I'm a musician.

1011
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: I have more theoretical understanding of music, and so we

1012
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: just came at it with different abilities.

1013
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: I came from gospel and soul. He came from hip hop.

1014
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: And so I.

1015
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: Think us coming together just complimented each other and that

1016
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: worked really well.

1017
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 3: Is this around the time. I think it was someone

1018
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: in his group. Your name was John Stevens, and it

1019
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: was like, come on, Legend, give us, give us that beat,

1020
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: Come on Legend. Hey, they kept calling you John Legend.

1021
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 4: J Ivy so j Ivy. He's a spoken word artist.

1022
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 4: He makes records himself. He's a great human being. And

1023
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 4: a great artist himself. But he if you listen back to.

1024
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Never Let Me Down on College Dropout, he did a

1025
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: verse on there, and he was hanging out with us.

1026
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: We were in LA mostly when we were making College

1027
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: Dropout at Record Plant, and he was at some of

1028
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: the sessions. He started calling me the legend, and eventually

1029
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: that morphed into John Legend. And I didn't think I

1030
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: was really gonna become John Legend, you know, as a

1031
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: stage name. I've been John Stevens my whole life, and

1032
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: I wasn't you know, I didn't think there was anything

1033
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: wrong with my name as a stage name. But eventually

1034
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: enough people were calling me that I started thinking about it,

1035
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: and part of me like, how you gonna.

1036
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 4: Call yourself legend? You don't even have a record deal.

1037
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 4: Part of me said that, but the other part was like.

1038
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: You know what if I call myself this, it's gonna like,

1039
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna make people pay attention to what I asked, Yes,

1040
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: And it's a great stage name in the sense that

1041
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: it makes people take notice. And then the only thing

1042
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: I had to do was try to live up to

1043
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: it once they took notice.

1044
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 4: And so my goal was, don't.

1045
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: This up like, if you're gonna call yourself this, you

1046
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: better callah.

1047
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 4: And so that my whole career.

1048
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: I feel like part of my mission is to make

1049
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: sure I live up to this name that was given

1050
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: to me before I even earned it.

1051
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: Now, a lot of people don't know there was a

1052
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: gentleman had the name John Legend. So yeah, yeah, you

1053
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: told a story. Tell this story. I don't know if

1054
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: a lot of people know this story.

1055
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: So well.

1056
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: First of all, y'all, if you understand, Shannon's been to

1057
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: my show and for the last two years, I've been

1058
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: doing this show where I tell stories, yes about my

1059
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: life and all these things, so he learned a lot,

1060
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: he did his homework, and so anybody that's been to

1061
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: my show knows the story, but a lot of people

1062
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: haven't been. So so as soon as we decide, you know,

1063
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm going with John Legend as a name, I start

1064
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: going to record labels introducing myself that way, and I

1065
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: got signed and they understood that they were putting out

1066
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: a record with John Legend. But eventually my lawyer is like, oh,

1067
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: by the way, we need to trademark John Legend as

1068
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: a name. And so when you start trademarking the key

1069
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: with trademark is if you're in the same business, you

1070
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: can't have a name that's too much like somebody else's

1071
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: name because you could confuse people, right, Okay, So they

1072
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: start researching to see if there's any other musicians named

1073
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: Johnny Legend or John Legend, and they find a guy

1074
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: named Johnny Legend and he's mainly a porn producer.

1075
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 4: That was his main day job, but he also made

1076
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: music on.

1077
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: The side, and he had records like rockabilly records, and

1078
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: so you could theoretically go into a record store and

1079
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: find a Johnny Legend record, and if there's a john

1080
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: Legend record, it could be confusing to somebody and he

1081
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: could have.

1082
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 4: A case to say, Yo, this guy stole my name.

1083
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: So we had to find him and negotiate with him

1084
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: so that he's Johnny Legend, I'm John Legend, and we're

1085
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: not gonna sue each other. And we broke him offul

1086
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: little money and said we're doing this so that you

1087
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: won't come back and sue him later.

1088
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 4: And you're Johnny Legend. He's John Legend, and we've had

1089
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 4: no problem.

1090
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: You Also was telling him to story that on Everything

1091
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 3: Is Everything with Lauren Hill, that's you on the piano.

1092
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: How many people before you started telling this story at

1093
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: your show, how many people actually knew that that was

1094
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Speaker 3: you on the piano.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they didn't know unless they saw me doing a

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Speaker 4: Something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of songs that I was

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Speaker 1: a part of, and I do a whole little segment

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Speaker 1: I sang back up on Alicia Keys and co wrote American.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of hit songs that you didn't know

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Speaker 1: as a part of I was a part of. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that was, you know, in the beginning of my career,

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Speaker 1: where I'm paying my dues and just getting in on

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Speaker 3: I think you said you got five hundred dollars for

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Speaker 4: For Lauren Hill.

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Speaker 1: And uh it was the same label that ended up

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Speaker 3: Apple Music rank Miseducation the best album of all time.

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Speaker 3: It was also the first ever hip hop album to

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Speaker 3: win Album of the Year at the Grammys and remains

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Speaker 3: Lauren Hill's only solo album to date. Are you surprised

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Speaker 3: that she hasn't put out a sophomore project or junior

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Speaker 3: prom senior project?

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Speaker 4: That that's it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we'd all love to hear what's on

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Speaker 1: her mind now, you know, and that album was so

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Speaker 1: impactful for so many people, especially artists like myself. So

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Speaker 1: not just because I was on it and that was

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Speaker 1: big too, but during that time, so I'm a young

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Speaker 1: soulful artist who's being influenced by gospel, R and B,

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Speaker 1: classic soul hip hop, and to have Miseducational Lauren Hill

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Speaker 1: come out just as I'm starting to form my own

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Speaker 1: vision of what i want to be as an artist.

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Speaker 1: It was so influential to me and so influential to

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Speaker 1: so many young artists at that time. It was it

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Speaker 1: was like the prototype for what like a new soulful

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Speaker 1: hip hop record could be. And so we were looking

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Speaker 1: to her as like the prototype for what we should say,

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Speaker 1: and we all would love to hear more, but you know,

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Speaker 1: for some reason, it just hasn't happened.

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Speaker 4: What was she like in the studio.

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Speaker 1: She was very vibrant, very creative, very collaborative. It was

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Speaker 1: only that one night where we were in the studio together.

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Speaker 1: We ended up making another record together, a remix to

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Speaker 1: So High from my first album, but we weren't in

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Speaker 1: the studio together when she did her part on it.

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Speaker 1: I did it with why Clef. He produced it, and

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Speaker 1: then he produced her session. So I wasn't in the

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Speaker 1: studio with her the second time, and the only other

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Speaker 1: time I was in the studio with her was auditioning

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Speaker 1: for her band. So the first time I was in

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Speaker 1: the studio was playing piano and everything is everything, and

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Speaker 1: that was just impromptu. I was just hanging out and

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Speaker 1: during a break when they were right it was like,

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Speaker 1: my friend was like, Johnny, get over there and show

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Speaker 1: where you could play. So I get over there, sitting

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Speaker 1: on the piano and sing a couple songs. She's like,

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Speaker 1: why don't you play on the record we're working on now?

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Speaker 1: Was everything is everything, and I didn't know what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen. I didn't know if they were going

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Speaker 1: to use what I did on there. But a few

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Speaker 1: months later I got the call from the label and

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Speaker 1: they were like, we need to know how to spell

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Speaker 1: your name for the credits and how much do you want?

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Speaker 4: And you know that song was gonna do what he did.

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't know the album was, but I think

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of expectation around her because the

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Speaker 1: Fujis had already had hit with the Score. So the

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Speaker 1: Score had come out in ninety six, and Killing Me

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Speaker 1: Softly was the biggest hit from that, and so everybody's like,

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Speaker 1: the girl that sings, we need to hear her do

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Speaker 1: a whole album together, do a whole album by herself.

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Speaker 1: And so everybody was wondering when she was going to

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Speaker 1: go solo, and Wycleff had done the Carnival and then

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Speaker 1: Lauren was about to put out Miseducational Lauren Hill. So

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of expectation around it, but you

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Speaker 1: never know how it's going to do, and then when

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Speaker 1: it comes out.

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Speaker 4: It's just like epic, it's classic.

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Speaker 1: It's immediately world changing when it comes out, and I

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Speaker 1: was just proud to be a part of it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part

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Speaker 3: two is also posted and you can access it to

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Speaker 3: whichever podcast platform you just listen to part one on.

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Speaker 3: Just simply go back to Club Shay profile and I'll

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Speaker 3: see you there.