WEBVTT - Dark Secrets of the $2 Billion Fortune Telling Industry 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:04.720 Now, really. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:11.480 Really really Hello, and welcome to Really No Really Jason 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.080 Alexander and Peter Tilden to predict you will find true 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.439 love and great fortune if you've become a subscriber to 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.599 our show. Now, maybe you don't put much stock in 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.840 predictions and psychics, but their tiny storefront shops are popping 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:28.680 up in some pretty exclusive zip codes Beverly Hills, Uptown, Manhattan, 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.480 Main Street, USA, and. 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:31.800 All over Europe. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:35.360 Their windows feature sun faded curtains and neon signs promoting 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:37.520 palm readings, cures for curses. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:39.080 And prophecies about your future. Fun. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:42.199 Sure, but there's a much darker side hidden behind the 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.480 tarot cards and crystal balls. In this episode, we meet 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.680 Bob Nigard, a private detective who has recovered millions of 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:50.920 dollars for victims of psychic fraud. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:52.800 He'll talk about the techniques. 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.120 He uses to surprise and bust Drup psychics, and he'll 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.880 also reveal a huge secret about the covert organizations that 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.840 run many of the psychic scams in an industry with 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.440 a projected income of over three billion. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:05.920 Dollars a year. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:09.400 Really, No, Really, I don't need a crystal ball to 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.600 predict Jason and Peter are gonna love this one. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:12.679 So here they are. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.640 I don't want to know. I don't want to know. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.960 You know who's no, no, no, there was. We don't 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.679 pay for that. You pay me. I don't want to 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:33.319 know things. I'd rather be in the dark. I don't 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:38.240 wanna know things unless it's where to park my car 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:42.360 when I saw you know, was never advertised on our 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:47.800 show many but what I thought would be a natural 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.680 because if I turn on my car radio, twenty ads 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.080 every day for the California Psychics, l A Psychics, the Hotline, 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.559 the Psychics, the hot Life. Still have those people. Yeah, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.440 that's and they're advertising big. So apparently somebody he's making 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:03.360 some money on the l A hot looks amazing psychic 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.560 and so people go, I want to know is they're 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.040 going to be Am I going to be rich? 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.960 We used to make that Am I going to die young? 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:11.840 What do I want to know that psychic is going 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:13.240 to do? We don't want to know. 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:16.600 We used to do a motivational call called Donnie Clay 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:18.480 is going to show you the way away to find 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.720 you that's inside of you, that's holding you back? Okay, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.480 And one of the things we used to do is 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:27.240 Donnie Clay's four words to guaranteed income. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.760 Right, You'll increase your income ten percent, twenty five to 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.920 fifty percent, maybe even one hundred, one hundred percent of 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:34.919 your incomeing forwards, and not a program. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:35.680 Not an exercise, not a book. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.520 Double your income in four words, everybody, and I'd get 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:40.880 the whole audience worked up about it. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.720 We say a few money, and then the audience would 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.320 be screaming, we want few money. And we're bringing some 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.080 guy from the audience and we trom a picture of 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.160 a yacht and say you want that. You said, yeah, Jason, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:50.919 what are you gonna do with it? Yeat? 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.560 You're already wasting money. Why would I make it? 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:53.880 After we've milked this thing? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.200 And there and I could get out your pencils, get 0:02:56.240 --> 0:03:00.680 your pens. Here are the fourth forward, double triple, You're 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.640 in Unmi rover ready here they are, get a second job. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.880 There you go guarantee or if the guy was clumsy, 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.880 he'd say, or fall off the stage, and Caesar's will argue, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.720 billow you some money. Yeah, the psychic thing never did 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.639 it for me. But the really no really started when 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.440 I said to you, if people who don't know southern California, 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:26.320 the wealthiest neighborhoods are like Brentwood, Beverly Hills, Pacific Palisade. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.280 We're the midworsh area, and you have psychics. They all 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.760 have storefronts in those locations, which are the highest rent 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.920 storefronts in the world. They haven't a man to open. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.440 A basket in robins in those places would be hundreds 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.240 of in ice creams a day. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.880 And they're just for the rent. And all these stores 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:51.600 closed during COVID Neon signed psychics manhat manh Midtown Manhattan. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.080 Well they ova had as much like you got a 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:53.800 woman on a couch. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:58.640 That's why it's a fortune. So that the question is 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:02.400 how much money does a psychic make. We have a 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:07.080 guy on Niguard who was a PI, a retired cop 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.400 that must be a trip, yeah, in New York and 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.960 New Jersey who decided to go after psychic crimes because 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:17.800 his feeling was that the police and the legal system 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:20.680 the worst they do is they go after them for reparations, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.200 but they don't go to jail. They maybe pay back 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.680 some stuff, but it's a multi billion dollar a. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:29.160 Year crime and you victim sham because you go who's 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:30.359 stupid enough to believe this? 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:33.320 Who's falling? And just like sex crimes, I'm wondering with 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.240 Bob if a lot of these people are too embarrassed 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.839 to say that they were ripped off the amount of 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.560 money some of these people are able to. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:42.960 Well, here's one. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:47.680 There was a person named Patrice Runner from Canada. This 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.960 is amazing, built over a million people over twenty years, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.320 built over a million people out of a grand total 0:04:55.360 --> 0:05:00.040 of one hundred and seventy five million dollars. Really, he 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.360 represented that he was working for known psychics Maria Deval 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.240 and Patrick gurn who were not involved in all. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:10.960 But he represented, oh he knew the name and then, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:12.200 and that he was. 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.000 Sending letters of referral, you know, saying it used to 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.240 send me the questions, I'll consult with them and I'll 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.680 get you the answers, and and made promises of guaranteed 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.440 wealth and happiness to people and built them out of 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.080 one hundred and seventy five million dollars. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.680 So this is noth where's our person today? They caught 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.920 him and and they're behind bars. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:34.359 I'm really interested to see what mister niguard why he decided. 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:36.760 I know why he went decided the same reason we're 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.120 outraged by this new paging adventures, but how he did 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.320 it because he's how people recover millions and millions of 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.640 dollars and has been involved in every kind of psychic 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.360 scam there is. Knows how to go after these people. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.520 So yes, why do they all have bad drapes? They 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:51.279 make so much money. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.440 I'm guessing they blow all the money on the Neon 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.239 signe and nothing left in the budget for the drapes. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:01.160 So let's let's talk to our guest we have in studio, 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:08.000 flew In. I'm shot when anyone makes any efforts on 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:08.719 our behalf. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:10.039 I don't understand. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:11.840 Say that to Laurie Browers said, then they're coming in 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.279 and go really listen to the show. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.680 Uh, we have with us mister Bob Nygard, who is 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.240 a retired New York City Police officer and president of 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:26.320 Niguard Investigations, and, according to the New York Daily News, 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.279 is the one guy fortune tellers don't want to see 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:33.360 in their future. He's a private investigator specializing in swindles, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.960 particularly cases involving romance and psychic fraud. Works in places 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.000 like New York City, Chicago, South Florida, and he's been 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.480 instrumental in the rest, arrest, and conviction of numerous psychics, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:50.960 helping the victims obtain justice, including financial institution amountington millions 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.120 of dollars. And we were just we're just saying Bob that, 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:56.680 first of all, welcome, thanks for coming in, Thanks for 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.680 having me your nuts. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:04.160 I left my Fedora in the car, said, wow, I'm 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.800 always prepared. How is the question? You're a private investigator, right, 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:09.520 do you blend? 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:10.080 No? 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.880 No, No, I don't. I don't blend. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.600 Well wait, wait, bop, somebody wait, hold on. 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.240 If I was sitting in a restaurant, I would go, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.480 I think there's a private investigators. 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:21.960 There's somebody following. How can you tell? 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.120 Just do you ever dress that at the next table? 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.440 You ever hear the phrase sore thumb? 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.240 But what I do is I do wear disguises and 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.000 go into fortune telling. Paula's do you really you know, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.920 dressed in different guys you know, baseball hats and different 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:40.360 things like that. 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.480 Love you already because you call them polots? 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:49.840 Yea, yeah, exactly like the Hitman film, Like the hit 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.840 What I do is I go in I wear various 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:58.040 like recording devices. Okay, so you have like recording glasses, watches, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.960 you know, well pens, you know, kinds of different things 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:01.960 like spy equipment. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:03.000 This is great. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.480 And then I go in and I make believe I'm 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.840 a client and I let them rip me off. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:13.560 The legality of this I tried to discern. Some states 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.920 it's legal, but you have to say you're an entertainer. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.840 Some states it's illegal. What what way in the states 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.680 that are illegal? What's the illegal that you're telling people 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.880 that you're you're You can't represent that you are, No, 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.480 I don't right. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.560 For example, in the state of New York, it's per se, 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.960 it's against the law. You cannot tell fortunes for a 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.800 fee and say that you can influence evil spirits and 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.400 stuff like that. Same with Pennsylvania. I think Oklahoma might 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:49.360 have that, but the most majority were looking that right, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.080 the majority of states like California, Right, you can do it. 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.400 You know, you take money from someone, you tell their fortune. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.079 There's no crime committed there per se. But what happens 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.319 is generally what happens is you have a person that 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:02.319 walks into one of these forts and telling Paula's off 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.960 the street, and they go in and they're vulnerable because 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:07.400 they're going through a difficult time in their life. Okay, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.880 so they're going through love, money, and health. That are 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.960 three big things. So their boyfriend broke up with them, 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.000 their husband left them, their wife left them, their kid 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.199 has cancer, you know, they just lost their job. So 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.720 they walk in off the street vulnerable, and the psychic 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.920 does what's called the cold reading. Okay, cold reading is 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.880 when someone comes in off the street cold. They look 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.640 for verbal and nonverbal clues. They see, is this person 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.320 here just on a lark, they just are here to 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.400 just you know, do a fifty dollars reading and want 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.640 to just for entertainment, sure, or is it that they 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.720 have a serious problem going on? So they're able to 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.760 pick up on the people that have the really serious problems, 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.320 the people that are vulnerable. And then they say, you 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.800 know something I see in darkness around you. I see 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.800 a certain negativity. I see something plaguing you. You should 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.720 be further in your life than you are right now, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.160 but there's something holding you back. I see that you're 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.600 a good person. You always do for others, but others 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:00.640 don't always. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:00.880 Do for you. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.240 And then they start to throw out these things, you know, 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.920 like get to know the person, and the person starts 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.520 to open up as oh I lost my job, oh 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.920 my husband left me, and then they start to repeat 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.920 things back to the person in a way that makes 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:16.560 the person think that they are psychic, but they're actually 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.960 giving the psychic the information the seltwacame psychic. Then they say, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:25.400 now that we've established that this negativity, what we need 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.000 to do is I need to do deeper research. I 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.959 need you to write your name down, and I need 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.360 you to write your data birth down, and write his 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:33.400 name down and your. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.440 Boyfriend's day of birth. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.520 Now we go from a cold reading situation to a 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.040 hot reading situation where when the person leaves, they're now 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.360 going to research on the internet this person learn all 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.839 about them. So we went from cold reading to hot reading. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.320 Then what they do is they say, you know, before 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.600 you leave, we have to do deeper research. I have 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.679 to get crystals and candles, but that's going to be 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.480 eight hundred dollars. The initial reading is a nominal feet 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.599 maybe fifty dollars, one hundred dollars, but now all of 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:01.520 a sudden, it's eight hundred of nine. Then what they 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.760 say is come back to see me, and they say, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.000 upon doing the deeper research, I see that there's a 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.160 curse that's been placed on you. It's a generational curse, 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:12.080 and it's been on your family. And what happened is 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.360 back when your father was dating your mother, he was 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.720 seeing another woman and he decided to marry your mother 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.920 instead of out of other woman. And what happened is 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.120 that other woman put a curse on your family, and 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.760 when it passed to you when you were in your 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.120 mother's womb, and it's been on you, you're thirty years old, 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.640 been on you for the last thirty years. We have 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.679 to undo this curse or it'll pass on to you 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.480 and your children's children and forever. You're the want in 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:34.760 your family that has to stop this. You don't want 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.640 it has the power to stop this. So they put 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.760 this pressure on the person. Then they tell the person. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.480 So now we got established that there's this darkness, there's 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:45.160 this curse. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.160 But then they want them to do a ritual. You 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:47.959 need to go home. 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.760 You need to get thirty thousand dollars out of the bank. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.920 Because you're thirty years old. We have to undo each 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.000 year of your age, get one thousand dollars thirty thousand, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:57.920 put it under the bed but I need. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.920 And your guy doesn't say, well, why isn't a dollar, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:03.040 Let's do thirty. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.559 Yeah, if they go for the big money. 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.560 But does the fortune teller at some point do an 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.880 investigation to see how much money this person has? 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.520 Yeah, well they look at what kind of car does 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.200 the person drive up? Okay, what is the person wearing it? 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:18.480 You know? 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.600 Do they have expensive jewelry on all? This is part 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.880 of the cold reading. Now we're at thirty thousand. Now 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:26.079 they say you got to go to the store, a 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:27.960 grocery store and get up caught in the eggs and 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.400 take one egg out and put the egg under the 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.120 bed with the money. Because money is the root of 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.000 all evil, and we need to attract the evil will 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:39.120 want to go to the money. So now the evil's 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.000 going to go to the money. When you sleep at night, 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.360 call me up. We'll say some prayers from the Bible. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.319 There's a lot of religious terminology. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:46.480 This is God. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.640 I'm doing God's work. God wants me to help you. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.640 I was put here to help you. You know, it's 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.280 not about money. But you got to get thirty thousand 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.480 dollars and put the money under the bed. So now 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.079 the person does this gets the egg. And the reason 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.120 we need the egg is because the evil's gonna go 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.040 to the money, be attracted to the money. But we 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:04.120 need to trap it in something. So we trap it 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.560 in the egg because the egg represents the soul. Sure, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:10.600 And then what happened is yes, sure, all right, so 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:18.200 now right, okay, yes, So now the psychic calls up 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:19.960 the person in the middle of the that oh, we've 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.360 angered the spirits. The spirits have gone to the egg. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.040 The person's coming to my office. It goes to the Offisa, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.760 the office what they call Offisa. They go there to 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.360 the forts of telling Paula that the room is dark, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.840 you know it's And they say, look, take the egg. 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:34.840 Put it in this bag. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.160 And they'll have a bag there or a cloth that 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.040 they're holding in their hands. Put it in the cloth. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.439 Then they do sleight of hands. They already have an 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:45.720 egg that they've doctored up. They've injected some cayenne pepper 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.200 into it, a red dye into the egg, or they 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.680 put a little black snake in there. And they say 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.600 put the egg in the bag, or put the egg 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.840 in the cloth. The person puts it in, they say, 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.000 it won't break, it won't break. And they're like trying 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.160 to hit it, and you know, an egg should breaks 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.720 and not. It like being really dramatic, you know. And 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:03.920 then they pull it out and they hit it and 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:05.360 all sudden blood comes flying out. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.120 What a snake is that? They say, Oh, this is 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.679 the curse that manifested itself. It came. This is the evil. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.280 And now once they get over that hurdle, now we 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.800 start to go on and on and on where we 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:16.920 need to do more work. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.080 We need more money. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.560 Thirty thousand under the bed hands, right. 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:35.200 So the psychic says, but. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.560 Wait, how does the thirty thousand under the bed hands? 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:39.040 Right? 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.440 So the psychic says, as soon as they hit the thing, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.480 the egg and the blood comes out, they. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.160 Say, you got to get out of here right away. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.920 You gotta leave because my family's in jeopardy. You're in 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.680 jeopardy the evil. I gotta take the money. I got 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.360 to take it to my church to the author, and 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.560 I got to cleanse the money of the evil. And 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.360 then next week I'm going to give you the money back. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.960 Don't worry. But once I cleanse it of the evil. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.880 So here in lies the crime. The person is not 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.280 paying thirty thousand dollars to remove a curse. They're just 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:09.640 given the psychic to thirty thousand the hole, temporarily thinking 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:11.280 it's going to be cleansed and returned. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.160 But the crime is money laundering, buddy laundering. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:15.720 There you go exact. 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.520 So do the psychics then keep it going or do 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.800 they move so right? 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.040 So now when the person comes back the next week 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.960 and they're like, where's my thirty grand Oh, you don't 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.240 realize this problem is worse, much worse than I thought 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.720 it was. And what we need you to do is 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.880 we need you to go get some more money because 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.040 money is power, and I need to accumulate power through 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.480 the money, and I got. 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.000 To keep going. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.760 I have to put it in a special room at 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.680 my church, at the altar, and I keep accumulating it 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.440 until we get enough where I can defeat and vanquish 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.080 the evil. Now we have a principal psychological principle, the 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.200 sunk course fallacy. Once someone starts putting money into something, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.560 there's a psychological principle that you'd rather keep sinking money into. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.600 It then say, oh, that scam. 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.120 And so it's just human psychology that they're using. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.560 And did they eventually is the end game. Once they 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:08.680 get it, they disappear. 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:11.200 So yeah, at the end of it, once the person 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:14.160 comes around and says, oh, I've hit rock bottom, I'm 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.480 wiped out. I've borrowed money from family members. I've wiped 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.000 out my bank account. I opened up credit cards and 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.800 maxed them out. I took out loans, I lied to 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.280 family members and got money from them. So it affects 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.760 other people this crime too, not just the individual. And 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.320 then they hit rock bottom and then they call me, 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:36.000 and a lot of times people are suicidal. They're suicidal. Yeah, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.280 I can't and embarrassed. We got our answer. I really know, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:44.800 really how they afford the storefront. Obviously there's huge money 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:45.880 when you. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.440 When you are able to get these people into courts 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.520 and now they're charged. Now you're in the legal system. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.440 I imagine that there is some some burden. Maybe I'm 0:16:54.440 --> 0:17:00.560 wrong to prove fraud, which to me, if I unders correctly, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.920 and I'm sure I don't, means that you've got to 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.280 prove that this so called psychic knew they were defrauding, 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.720 as opposed to having them go listen it worked or 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.240 it didn't work, But I I believed in what I 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.040 was doing. I was doing the work that I was 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.320 being compensated for. 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:19.520 How did. 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:21.320 It? 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:22.560 That's a very important question. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.119 So what you do is you I build a case, 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.160 and I build it based on a totality to facts 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.399 and circumstances. So starting off, a lot of times the 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.000 psychic lies about their name. Okay, when I go to 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.920 best Buy to buy a TV set and the guys 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.320 has mic on his name, He's not Jose, He's not 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:39.640 you know, Paul, he's Mike. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:40.040 You know. 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.480 So when you go to these psychics, they're never using 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.200 their real name, well not never, but a lot of 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.080 times they're not using their real name. And then when 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.400 they say, hey, we need to do this egg trick. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.119 I mean that's something I've seen over and over again. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.000 Or they do a magic trick where you have to 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:55.879 bring in a jar and spit in the jar and 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:57.639 then I'm going to put water in the jar and 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:58.920 then they make the water turn. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:17:59.560 Red or black. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.360 So you know, when you start off with you lying 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.919 about your name, you start off with then a progression 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.919 of fees. Okay, you're using a scripted story about the 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.360 father of seeing another woman. I've heard that a million times. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:17.080 You know, that same scripted story I've gone into psychics, 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.439 and I've seen a woman reading the script off her 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.879 leg on a piece of paper. A young psychic was 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.120 reading the script. So when you add up the fake name, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.600 the progression of fees, the magic trick to pursue the 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.000 existence of a curse, building the case so that a 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.920 jury of twelve people at the end of the day 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.920 is going to say, well, you needed a certain amount 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.560 of money and you'd complete it in three months, but 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.719 now all of a sudden, you need more, and so 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.280