1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, Armstrong and Getty, 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: Charlie was a patriot who devoted his life to the 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: cause of open debate and the country that he loved 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: so much, the United States of America. He fought for liberty, democracy, justice, 7 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: and the American people. He's a martyr for truth and freedom. 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: And there's never been anyone who was so respected by youth. 9 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 3: The news has broken that Trump is going to give 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk pots the after he died, the metal freedom, 11 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: which is the highest civilian honor we can give to anyone. 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that the New York Times today 13 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: in their opinion pieces, they got their conservative, One of 14 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: their conservatives, David French, says, if we keep this up, 15 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk will not be the last to die. And 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: assassin took aim at the American experiment itself. That's what 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: Trump said last night. That was an assault on our democracy. 18 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 3: That's absolutely true. 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: And then even the lefty as recline rights. Charlie Kirk 21 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 3: was practicing politics the right way. And basically, if we 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 3: can't have these kind of discussions, then we're doomed. 23 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: We got no shot. And there are extremists on the 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: left who believe merely contradicting their beliefs is reason enough 25 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: to perpetrate violence or kill somebody. Included in that group 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: is the Antifa types, some of the radical transgender theory people. 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: We've been calling out Antifa for years and years because 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: we've been on in Portland for years and years, which 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: is kind of the wellspring of Antifa. And I remember, 30 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: whether it was Nancy Pelosi or other commentators years ago 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: when Portland was torn apart by violence night after night 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: after night, in the wake of George Floyd saying Antifa 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: doesn't really exist. It's loosely a filled they're not really organized. 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: There's a I hope people realize it's real now. The 35 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: breaking news is, according to law enforcement sources, the unused 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: ammunition in the gun of the murderer was engraved with 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: various Antifa and transgender words, slogans, that sort of thing. 38 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Where this goes, nobody's quite sure. I but the fact 39 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk was who he was and did what 40 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: he did in the way he did, and which was 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: open hearted discussion in the light of day with people 42 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: who disagreed with him. The fact that he was branded 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: as a hater and perpetrating violence and justifying his killing 44 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: for that, I mean that needs to horrify everyone. 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, your statement that a lot of the fringe left 46 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: thinks anybody who disagrees with them is worthy of violence, 47 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: This is not a new thought. But I think that 48 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: is partially because if you lean right, you have the 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: opposing view in your face your whole life every day. 50 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 3: You can't get away from it. If you flip on 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: our national public radio or any newscast, or watch any 52 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: movie or TV show, or go to any concert, you 53 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: have to listen to an opinion you don't agree with 54 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: the left, you can escape it pretty easily because unlessly, 55 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: if you're young, unless you're seeking out you know, Rush 56 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: Limbaugh style radio or Fox News, you're never going to 57 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: run into the opposing view. So it's probably a lot 58 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: more shocking to that crowd when you come across somebody 59 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: that doesn't agree with you. I'd like to think I 60 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: may be in the top five critics of Gavin Newsom 61 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: on Earth, and I will continue to be that, But 62 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: he issued a statement about the brutal assassination of Charlie 63 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 3: curR that was unequivocal and well done and I and 64 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: well done, Gavin. Here's a good example of Charlie Kirk 65 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: in the way he did what he did. Talking to 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom on the podcast, We'll start with one ten Michael, 67 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: go from there. 68 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 4: Right around i'd say twenty twenty one, we had a goal, 69 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 4: could we move the youth vote ten points over ten years? 70 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 5: And when there was it, literally you sat down and 71 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 5: put that new miracle. 72 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 4: Together, like, can we move at ten points over ten 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: years ish, you know, approximate, Because our whole hypothesis was, 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: and we you know, we did this alongside President Trump 75 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: and his great team, was that this demographic is disproportionately 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 4: to the Democrat side. We believe Democrats were taking them 77 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 4: for granted. We think that your side had no message 78 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: whatsoever and an ideological monopoly. We saw some of the 79 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: fault lines there, and to President Trump's credit, he also 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 4: harmonized with the strategy by going on podcasting and using TikTok. 81 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, we did it in four years, 82 00:04:58,200 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: not ten large in part thanks to you guys. 83 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 5: And we'll go get to that, and I sincerely get 84 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 5: to that because I want, you know, I want to 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 5: stress tests as some of those fault lines as relates 86 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 5: to the reality of our party and where we are today. 87 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: Let's let's that's just sort of hateful conversation though that 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: should be uh, you know, snuffed out. 89 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: And here's where they went to add it a little 90 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: bit and clip one thirteen Michael, what's coming. 91 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 4: But anyway, if I were to give you to be 92 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 4: and level stuff which gets us if you have to 93 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 4: go to war with your own party on three major things, 94 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 4: you've got to say we are not going to do 95 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: this illegal immigration thing anymore, which includes like are you 96 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 4: going to work with ICE? 97 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: We do work with us. 98 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 5: So let me by the way, I want to make 99 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 5: sure people do this. We we have been I in 100 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 5: fact directly we actually put out the data. I was 101 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 5: actually reached out to the administration. So are you not 102 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 5: aware that California coordinates and cooperates with all CDCR releases 103 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: over tens? 104 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 6: Explain the sanctuary state thing. 105 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 5: Then get the state wide sanctuary state and sections yeah, 106 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 5: which in the state wide framework allows us to work 107 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 5: as it relates to issues of criminals and coordinating the 108 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: release of criminals from our federal or from our state 109 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 5: prison populate prison system. We coordinate with ICE on the deportation. 110 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 5: We've done that over ten thousand times since I've been governor. 111 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 5: We're not denying access, no, no. 112 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: I can join Americans want mass deportations. 113 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 6: It's just the thing. 114 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: Until they don't. Well, okay, that's my humble opinion. Until 115 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: they don't. Okay, years you might be paying taxes. 116 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 5: I don't buy You might well, but at the moment, 117 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: you're right, you might be right. 118 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: And then he goes on to talk about, you know, 119 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: the transgender thing with children, and another issue transgender people 120 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: in sports, boys and girls sports. Listen to me using 121 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: the language that left but that sort of rhetoric, you know, 122 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: you might be right. That's the hate speech you keep 123 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: hearing about, speaking of the whole radical gender theory thing. 124 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: Here's Charlie in one of his feist to your debates 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: on campus, in which if you're not familiar with this, 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: he said, if you disagree with me, you go to 127 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: the front of the line. Let's talk about these things. 128 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: One hundred Michael, he is grabbing it. Is there an 129 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: issue or are you okay? Michael, should we call the doctor? 130 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: How do you go to the second page? Sorry, guys, 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: here we go. 132 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 4: Norman is an adult female xx chromosomes. You tell me 133 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 4: what is a woman? 134 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 7: I think a woman is somebody who identifies as a woman. 135 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Got it? 136 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: So that's not a definition. That's like saying a table 137 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 4: is something that identifies as a table. Give me an 138 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: objective definition. 139 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 7: Of It's not a table is an object Well, a 140 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 7: table can't identify as anything. 141 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 6: It doesn't have a choice. You have to give me 142 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 6: an objective definition of what a woman is. 143 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 7: I decided right now that I wanted to identify as 144 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 7: a woman, I would be a woman. 145 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, but that's not That doesn't answer the question. 146 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 7: I know, but right now I'm a man, right so 147 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 7: if that happened right now? Woman thing is once once 148 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 7: a person makes the decision to identify as a woman. 149 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 6: Dot it another woman? That's a separate issue. What is 150 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 6: a woman? 151 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 7: That's the definition? 152 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 6: I know, But you have to tell me what a person. 153 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 7: Who identifies themselves as a woman. 154 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 6: But you have how do you know that they are 155 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 6: that thing? 156 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Okay? 157 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 5: You know what? 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: I don't mean to That's fine. It was funny because 159 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: they're talking past each other a little bit there. 160 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, did Charlie actually not understand the guy was saying, No, 161 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: the definition is. 162 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: When somebody says they're a woman than they are a woman, right, 163 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: which is one of his great techniques, just drawing out 164 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: the other side and having them explain the arguments. 165 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 3: I like that because what percentage of people agree with that? 166 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: Anyway? Yeah, here's a little more feistiness. One O. Two. 167 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 6: What's your name? 168 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: None of your business, unfortunately, but. 169 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 6: Okay, hello, nice to meet you, know your business? 170 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, I appreciate it. But do you love America? Yes? 171 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: I do. 172 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 6: I hate America. 173 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 8: Every state in the USA should be an independent country. 174 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: What do you think of this? 175 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 5: Dude? 176 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 4: Well, I just first have to ask, since you hate 177 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 4: the country, do you plan. 178 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 1: To leave that? 179 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 9: What do you mean by that? 180 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 6: Do you plan to go live in another country? No? 181 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: I do not. 182 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 6: Let me tell you something. 183 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: Your faith, that idiot. 184 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 4: America is the only country where even those who hate 185 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: it refuse to leave. That's how you know you live 186 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: in a great country. 187 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, that guy was wearing a mask. By the way, 188 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 9: you're an idiot. Your face is an idiot. I don't 189 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 9: know if that helps anything. 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Which is not to say 236 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: every person who identifies as transgender is unhinged, far from it, 237 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: but those activist types are dangerous people. I think we 238 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: have the fabulous clip with Charlie kirk you're talking about. 239 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: We can hit that next segment. Okay, we can get 240 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: to that. 241 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: Also, I want to read what Mark Halprin, who is 242 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: a friend of Charlie Kirks, wrote today is really good. 243 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: We'll get to that later this hour or two. 244 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 6: I guess that's kind of my question. 245 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: What advice do you have for me as a Republican 246 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: aspiring social worker? What would conflict? I don't know, like 247 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: how to say it properly. 248 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 6: I think I can help. 249 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 4: The social work industry is very much about a perspective, generally, 250 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 4: of that people in poverty are there permanently and not 251 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 4: trying to break people out of poverty into the middle 252 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: class or higher levels, and that's why the Democrat Party 253 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 4: and social work are very intertwined. They view poverty not 254 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 4: as a series of choices, but as a station in 255 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 4: life that is immovable largely. Is that fair to say? 256 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 4: That is fair to say? 257 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way he talked to people. He did. 258 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: What you should do in a charitable debate is try 259 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: to state the other position, the other person's position, in 260 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 3: a way that they agree with, and that was one 261 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 3: of his techniques. You know, that's what he was doing yesterday. 262 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 3: He goes to a college campus. If you disagree with, 263 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 3: we move to the front and then we'll have a 264 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: discussion about whatever your topic is. And then somebody shot 265 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: him in the throat and killed him. But like I 266 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 3: said from the opening moments of the show, it is 267 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 3: the most basic, bottom level example of what self government is. 268 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: And if we can't do that, we are one hundred 269 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: percent doomed. I mean we just if we can't do 270 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: this on either side, then we're doomed. 271 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: And that those who would even contemplate or actually murder 272 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: someone for having an open discussion that they disagreed with, 273 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: they are the most evil people among us. They are 274 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: irredeemably evil and everyone should condemn that very thought, much 275 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: less the act. 276 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: So Mark Alpern I took in his newscast live yesterday. 277 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: It was after the news had broken, before Charlie Kirk 278 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: had died. Mark Alpern had had Charlie Kirk on his 279 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: show the day before, so I mean it had just 280 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: been hours before. He had been with Charlie Kirk and 281 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: his wife and kids. He was pretty emotional about it. Anyway, 282 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 3: he wrote today in his newsletter, some really good stuff, 283 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: and I'll read part of it. 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk wore. 285 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: Many titles and humbly managed to make each sound plane 286 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: political strategist, public speaker, video podcaster, fundraiser, organizer, lobbyist, builder. 287 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: When I ask him his profession a few months ago, 288 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: he said he preferred the unadorned word entrepreneur, as if 289 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: he were describing a shop on Main Street that just 290 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: happened to scale across a nation and around the world. 291 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: That was part of his charm, the grand project, presented 292 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: with a straight face, in hard working hands, big undertakings, 293 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: explained in the tone you used to order coffee. What 294 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: mattered most in the end was his spirit. He was 295 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 3: not a hater, quite the opposite. I've met no one 296 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 3: shrewder in politics at any age, and no one better 297 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: liked in the movement. He helped shape power so often 298 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 3: makes people small. It did not shrink him or make 299 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 3: him arrogant. Imagine being thirty one running a one hundred 300 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: million dollar enterprise, a lord and your party citadel, friends 301 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: with the President and then the Vice president of the 302 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: United States, and a directory of leaders in business and politics, 303 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: and not becoming brittle, vane, or cruel. 304 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: He didn't. 305 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: He carried success the way a good waiter studiously carries 306 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: a tray, steady, attentive, and unself conscious. If you think 307 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: you don't know someone under twenty five who followed Charlie 308 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 3: was connecting with him vividly, you are mistaken. Mistaken. His 309 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: current ran beneath dorm rooms and group chats in church 310 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: basements and county auditoriums, through comment threads and long car 311 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: rides home. He believed in the old disciplines, hard work, 312 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: early mornings, no drugs, no alcohol, very little sleep. He 313 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: believed populism should be an accelerator, not a wildfire, the 314 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: spark that moves an engine, not the blaze that consumes 315 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: the forest. Uh, that's very impressive. Yeah, and it goes 316 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: on and on. 317 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: It's quite long. It's quite good. Maybe I can post 318 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: that somewhere. 319 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, the fact that he could get the president or 320 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: the vice president on the phone anytime a day he 321 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: wanted to at age thirty one and actually younger than that, 322 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: when he when he could and was still so incredibly 323 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: even even keeled and level headed and committed to his goal. 324 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: He didn't seem to have a bit of the I 325 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: want to be the focus of the celebrity in him. 326 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 6: Right. 327 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: Well, we opened the show with a clip that I 328 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: don't see. We have so much. He was asked how 329 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: he wanted to be remembered, and he said, for the 330 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: courage of my faith. My faith is the most important 331 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 1: thing to me. And you know, go ahead, Michael. 332 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 7: If you could be associated with one thing, how would 333 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 7: you want to be remembered. 334 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: I want to be I want to be remembered for 335 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 4: for courage from my faith. That would be the most 336 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 4: important thing. Most important thing is my faith in my life. 337 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: So again, on multiple levels, this is awful. You've got 338 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 3: the young dad with kids, who's a nice guy who 339 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 3: gets shot to death. 340 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: That's awful. 341 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: But on a political level, he is not going to 342 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: be place you can't replace somebody like that. He's a 343 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 3: once in a many generation sort of talent, and he 344 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: was taken off the stage by an assassin. 345 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: I like to think that thousands and thousands of young 346 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: people will try though. Yeah, well that's all you can do. 347 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: We get a lot more on the way. Stay with us, 348 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. 349 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 8: I don't know what's going to happen, other than to 350 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 8: tell you that this nation is in desperate need of 351 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 8: prayer and some kind of an intervention, because when you 352 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 8: can't I mean, what was Charlie doing making a speech, 353 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 8: engaging in rhetoric, having a debate. That's the bedrock of 354 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 8: our nation, and now you can't go out in public 355 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 8: and engage in speech. 356 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 10: That's the opposite of violence. 357 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: Speech is the opposite. 358 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 10: And so. 359 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen to Charlie. 360 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 10: All I can really think about is his poor wife 361 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 10: and those two babies, and so I think the best 362 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 10: thing any of us can do right now is just 363 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 10: pray for his recovery and pray for their comfort, because 364 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 10: God help us, we're in a bad place. 365 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: Scott. I don't want to get sidetracked with this, I'll 366 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: do it after this. So that's CNN. Brian Stelter is 367 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: a guy on CNN who I often have hated, hate 368 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: the things he says against him. Yeah, absolutely hated. But 369 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: I've been talking a lot about how happy I was 370 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 3: about mainstream coverage of this mostly I mean, like, way 371 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: more than I can remember in a long time where 372 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 3: the mainstream media handled this I think the right way. Like, Oh, 373 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: I flipped on the ABC Evening News last night, and 374 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: they took it as seriously as they did, and without 375 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 3: a lot of the like prejudicial winks and nods that 376 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: that he had it coming or any of that sort 377 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: of stuff, and the anchors talking about, yeah, I personally 378 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 3: knew him and he was a great guy, and just 379 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: stuff like I just thought, this is this is fantastic. 380 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 3: And here's Brian Stilter. Wait on CNN. This is what 381 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: he said yesterday. 382 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 11: The prayers are so all consuming right now, and bipartisan, 383 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 11: everyone from President Trump and Vice President j d. Vance, 384 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 11: the members of the cabinet to Democratic leaders like the 385 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 11: King Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, bi partisan condemnation of this 386 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 11: act of political violence. It's a reminder Breonna that in 387 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 11: a country like America, in a democracy. We only have 388 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 11: a democracy if we settle our disagreements with words, not 389 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 11: with violence. You know, for the liberals, for the anti 390 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 11: Trump voices, for the anti Kirk voices out there, who 391 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 11: feel despair, you know about the direction of the country's politics. 392 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 11: The way to address that is through words, not through violence. 393 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 11: And so whenever we see one of these appalling crimes, 394 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 11: it is disturbing because it cuts to the core of 395 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 11: how the American democracy functions. 396 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: He's on dred percent right, Yeah, well done, Brian, well done, 397 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: well said, and came across this quote yesterday. This is the. 398 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: Interesting, complicated thing that nobody's ever quite understood. I just 399 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: saw Tim Tebow, former NFL player, well known, outspoken Christian, 400 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: who said evil is real and we need to recognize that. 401 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: And then there's this quote. I don't remember who gets 402 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: credit for it originally, but Satan does not have to 403 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 3: overpower us in order to win the war. He just 404 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: has to get us to adopt his way of fighting it, 405 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 3: which is a good quote. 406 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: Sounds C. S. Lewis ish to me. If it does, 407 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: doesn't it? 408 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,719 Speaker 3: Uh, if this guy turns out to be completely crazy. 409 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: But there's a chance of he could be pretty crazy, 410 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: like the guy the trial is going on this week, 411 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: the jury selection, the second guy that tried to kill 412 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: Trump with his gun in the bushes at the golf course. 413 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: He's nuts. Yeah, but. 414 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: We all know that our rhetoric is hotter than it's 415 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: ever been. Polls show a higher percentage of people think 416 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 3: political violence is okay than have in my lifetime. So 417 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: how does that whole work With the rhetoric gets out 418 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 3: of control, we get further apart politically, and then the 419 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: crazies take that in somehow and act violently. 420 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: Right, That's a tough one. It remains to be seen 421 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: where this guy was on the scale of completely saying 422 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: to completely psychotic, and or if he was just and 423 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: this is absolutely a possibility, he was made evil by 424 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: his ideology radicalized radicalized in short, Yeah, yeah, I mean, 425 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: And it's funny people act as if that sort of 426 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: thing doesn't happen. It happens all the time. It's happened 427 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: throughout human history over and over again. Yeah, And there 428 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: is a systematic attempt on America's case campuses from K 429 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: through grad school to radicalize people in leftist ideology. 430 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: The dude that shot the couple of the Jewish couple. 431 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: In Washington, d C. That guy wasn't crazy. No, she 432 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: was a pro Palestinian activist, right. 433 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: And I don't think the guy who shot the United 434 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: Healthcare CEO he wasn't crazy, doesn't seem to be crazy. 435 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: No, he was twisted, no doubt, but he seemed to 436 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: have a grasp of reality. I'd like to know. I'd 437 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: like to see a psychological assessment of the thousands and 438 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of people who consider him a hero 439 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: and have raised money for his defense in spite of 440 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: his incoherence, his scattered ideology, and his murder of a 441 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: young man who and a young dad who just happened 442 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: to be you know, but then in a job at 443 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: a company. 444 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: But then you got the guy who shot Gabby Gifford's 445 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 3: remember that whole story in Arizona. He thought that what 446 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: the government was pushing math on us or something. I 447 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 3: don't even remember what his crazy thing was. The guy 448 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: on the train the other day, that awful, awful story. 449 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 3: That person's completely out. 450 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: Of their mind. I don't know, I don't know, I 451 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, there's not one phenomenon here, although the 452 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: one phenomenon. You know, if I was to jump in 453 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: and interview our discussion or intervene in our discussion, it 454 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: would be to say, Yeah, the completely psycho people, let's 455 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: talk about that another time, because that one's going to 456 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: be really tough. But radicalized people who are perfectly rational 457 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: yet convinced that it is justified that they commit acts 458 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: of violence. That one we can deal with, and we 459 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: need to start yesterday, or in Shapiro, go ahead, or 460 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: even if they still exist, if they don't hear the 461 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: leaders saying things like if we lose this election, it's 462 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: the last election we'll ever have in this country, which 463 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: is absurd, it's crazy, but both sides were saying it 464 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: leading up to the presidential election. We got to stop 465 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: saying stuff like that, So Ben Shapiro, writing about the 466 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: death of his friend Charlie Kirk, here's one thing we 467 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: do know. This all has to stop. It's an ugly 468 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: picture that we've seen before. The sixties and seventies were 469 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: a time of tremendous change in American history and tremendous violence. 470 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: Political assassinations became commonplace. Bombings and terror attacks were excused 471 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: by a variety of supposedly great intellectuals, and eventually America 472 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: rejected all of it. Now we're watching the same ugly 473 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: picture reappear as Jack and I were discussing earlier. The 474 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: difference is that the mechanisms by which ideas spread have 475 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: changed completely because of the Internet and social media. Now 476 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: I don't know that the flow chart looks anything like 477 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: it did when America said that's enough violence. We hate 478 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: it all. No, no, yeah, We're in a completely different 479 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: spot anyway, he writes, a wave of violence is building, 480 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: from the assassination of Charlie Kirk to the attempted shooting 481 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: of President Trump, from the murder of United Healthcare CEO 482 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Brian Thompson to the slaying of two Israeli embassy staffers. 483 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: All of these acts of extreme violence have found support 484 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: in the dark precincts of political radicals. The temperature in 485 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: our country has been steadily rising, and it's been rising 486 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: because many people have determined that their political opponents aren't 487 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: just opponents, but enemies, threats to their very existence. That 488 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: determination by fringe actors is often reinforced in the online 489 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: spaces that prize virility and mirror emotional excess, and then 490 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: it breaks free from the world of the online into 491 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: real life with bloody and horrific consequences. Yes, that phenomenon 492 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: crosses the political aisle, but to pretend that the phenomenon 493 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 1: is distributed equally would be a mistake. The rising tide 494 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: of violence on the left has become more and more 495 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: virulent over the course of the last several years. The 496 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: argument that speech is violence to be met with violence, 497 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: the argument that opposition to contention amounts to a form 498 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: of genocide or erasure, the argument that political opponents are 499 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: moments away from ending our republic outright. These views all 500 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 1: trend toward revolutionary violence and the wave of violence, a 501 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: wave already breaking on the shore appears as though it 502 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: is only beginning. Has already destroyed Charlie Kirk's family and 503 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: ended his life at the age of thirty one. But 504 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: it feels like a tsunami is coming. The water's already 505 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: receded from the shoreline, and what comes next could be 506 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: far more devastating even than what we have thus seen 507 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: so far. That tsunami, if left unchecked, will wash away 508 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: this entire republic, And he mentions the heavy, heavy security 509 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: he's had to have speaking on college campuses, including bulletproof 510 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: vests and metal textures and the rest of it. Because 511 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: he has threatened so much. 512 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 3: I want to talk about security. I talked to a 513 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 3: security expert last night about this a little bit. So 514 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: I was saying earlier about gatekeepers, how we didn't used 515 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 3: to have We used to have gatekeepers in all levels 516 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: of society and we don't anymore. And I originally thought 517 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: that was good, but it's turned out not to be 518 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 3: more on that right after this word. 519 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: From our friends at Simply Save Home Security. 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There's no safe like 540 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: simply safe. 541 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 12: Ah. 542 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 3: There's Charlie Kirkup on the TV speaking at the Republican 543 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 3: National Convention. I was in the crowd to see part 544 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: of that. He spoke at the last three Republican National conventions. 545 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: That doesn't seem possible when you're thirty one years old, man. 546 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: He was just from a building an organization standpoint, even 547 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: if you left all the politics out of it. Absolutely 548 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 3: rock star, stunning, one in a million sort of guy. 549 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: One more quote from Ben Shapiro. It's short are our 550 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: America is a robust place of discussion and debate of 551 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: liberty and rights. But all of that must be undergirded 552 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: by basic virtue, basic decency, respect for others, and yes, 553 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: reverence for the uniqueness of an America that values speech 554 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: and deplores violence. Charlie had that reverence, and for that 555 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: he was murdered. 556 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 3: So the whole gatekeepers thing it used to keep the 557 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: crazies at bay, and obviously it was a lot easier 558 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: before the Internet. Now I think it's impossible, and that's 559 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: why I think we might be doomed. I mean, like 560 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: actually doomed, Like there's just no way to fix this. 561 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: I wish I disagreed. 562 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 3: I remember hearing the story from some people who were 563 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: old enough to know how media used to work back 564 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 3: in the day, like the guy who ran started National Review, 565 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: William F. Buckley Junior, was a big enough voice in 566 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: the world of Republicans that he could keep anybody from 567 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: the John Birch Society from ending up on Meet the Press, 568 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: because Meet the Press would take his like lead, you 569 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 3: don't want them on their crazies, Okay, we won't. You 570 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: had gatekeepers that decided what was within the bounds of 571 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 3: conversation we should be having in this country, and you 572 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 3: had it at all kinds of different levels. 573 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it came. 574 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 3: Were imperfect, absolutely, and they were imperfect enough that I 575 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 3: thought when the Internet came along and the gatekeeper started 576 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: to fall, like, this is fantastic, except for what has 577 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: happened is the super crazies on the outside have infiltrated everything, 578 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 3: often become the loudest voices. They're the ones that are 579 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 3: willing to shoot you for what you believe. And I 580 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 3: don't know how to put them back in their cages. 581 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, as PJ O'Rourke put it so brilliantly on 582 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: our show, whose idea was it? To put every idiot 583 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: in the world in touch with every other innea world. 584 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: Right and make them feel so empowered or make them 585 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: look so powerful. 586 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: To others, and reinforce each other over and over again. 587 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: Even though, as I was discussing earlier, there might be 588 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: one person who thinks they're twisted ugly thoughts in a 589 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: five hundred square mile area, But in a country this big, 590 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: a world that this big, that could be tens of 591 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of people reinforcing each 592 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: other's evil. I don't know how we bounce back from 593 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: a bushel full of fruit from the tree of knowledge 594 00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I really don't. 595 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 3: So I had an interesting discussion about security at these 596 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: kind of events with an expert that I think you'll 597 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 3: find troubling. I wish I had any news that wasn't 598 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 3: the fact that most mainstream media, as you just heard 599 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: from Brian Selter on CNN, including a lot of people 600 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: that I don't like, handled this well. Is the only 601 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 3: good news I got for you today. That was a 602 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 3: good sign anyway. 603 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: JB. Pritzker blamed Trump. That wasn't great. He sees a 604 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: bad person. 605 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 3: Yeah right, and fat as Trump would point out, okay, 606 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 3: we got more on the way. 607 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: Stay here. Yeah. 608 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 13: I know that it's somewhat object of mockery to say 609 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 13: thoughts and prayers, but thoughts and prayers for his family 610 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 13: and they need it from all of us. And Jesse's right. 611 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 13: If they could do this, they are capable of anything. 612 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 13: I think that was the message. I believe that was 613 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 13: the message. It's really hard to radical Republicans. Yeah, you know, 614 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 13: it's like, we're not the radical type. But if you 615 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 13: thought that you were going to shut a movement down, 616 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 13: you're going to get. 617 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 6: A rude awakening. 618 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: You woke us the cup. 619 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: So, as is often pointed out, there is a certain 620 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 3: truth to fact that we have jobs, so we don't 621 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: have time to go to all these protests and do 622 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: all these different things. I mean, there's a certain friendly families. 623 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Part of that is just age. 624 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 3: You get older, you got responsibilities and kids and jobs 625 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 3: and but yeah, I don't know. I don't know what 626 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 3: he means by woke us. The f uh fighting fire 627 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 3: with fires not the answer. I don't know how we 628 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 3: ratchet down. I don't I'm not sure it's possible. So 629 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: we'll see on the well, I want to play this. 630 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: So this this is uh, this, this sort of clip 631 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 3: is been making the rounds a lot. 632 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 12: I was about Cony Yard, who way on Charlie's left. 633 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: I had gotten there. 634 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 12: Probably just a few minutes before noon. 635 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 9: It was. 636 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 12: There were thousands of people there. Unfortunately, there was no 637 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 12: metal detectors. There was no I mean, there was security 638 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 12: by Charlie, but you know, anybody could have shown up 639 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 12: with whatever. Unfortunately, and I happen to kind of maneuver 640 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 12: my way down close on the side. 641 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 642 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 3: So that sort of thing was mentioned like on every 643 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 3: newscast that I watched over the last since it happened 644 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 3: yesterday with the implication or sometimes the state that is 645 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 3: just stating that there needed to be more security. 646 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: It's and I was talking to a security expert front 647 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: of mine, it's just not doable. 648 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 3: I mean, can you can do it for the pres Well, 649 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: first of all, the president got shot in the head, 650 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: and it's just luck that he didn't die. With the 651 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: most expensive, best way of going about it you can 652 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 3: come up with, there's no way you can afford one 653 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 3: percent of that for every single damn pundit and lower 654 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 3: level politician or media person in the country. 655 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: It just obviously it's just not doable, right, So the 656 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: fact that you need it is horrifying. 657 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: But yes, but any implication that there was no metal detection, 658 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 3: you can't have a metal detector for every dang fair 659 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: ground that Ben Shapiro or Charlie Cook or AOC or whoever. 660 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 3: Maybe AOC, she's a high profile enough congress person. She 661 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 3: probably does have secret Service protection. 662 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. But obviously it just can't happen. So 663 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: it's good. It's got to be a cultural fix. It's 664 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: our only hope. Now. 665 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 3: My security expert friend said he noticed from watching the videos, 666 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 3: and we saw this with our own eyes when we 667 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 3: were at the conventions, I think with Ben Shapiro and 668 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 3: maybe actually Charlie Kirk, where. 669 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: They got muscle around him. 670 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 3: They got big guys that if there's a physical confrontation, 671 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: these big guys can you know, protect them and push 672 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 3: the people back. But you're not prepared for high power 673 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 3: rifles from six hundred feet away. 674 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: You can't be no, no, not on a college campus 675 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the day, just a guy saying, hey, 676 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: let's talk about issues, which is what Charlie did. But 677 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: it goes back to the theme that there are those 678 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: who think that speech is violence, and violence should be 679 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,399 Speaker 1: met with violence, and it's okay to kill Charlie Kirk, 680 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: for instance, and that is a disease we must stamp out, 681 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: no matter how long it takes. I mean, we just 682 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: have to, and we may not be able to, but 683 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: we have to try. 684 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 3: I was looking at some of the worst of social 685 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 3: media last night, the fringe weirdos, and realizing these are 686 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 3: probably Chinese bots, or Russian bots or Iranian bots. Half 687 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 3: of these comments aren't even real Americans. 688 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: Right, true, true, speaking of real Americans, And I wish 689 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: we had time to squeeze this in right now, but 690 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 1: we don't. We'll do it in an hour. Four. If you 691 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: don't get our four, you ought to subscribe to our 692 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: podcast Armstrong, you get on demand. That way you won't 693 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: miss anything. But in the aftermath of the horror forgive Me, 694 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: they interviewed a couple of college kids and if these 695 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: had been third graders, I would suggest they should have 696 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: been held back. Oh boy, it's amazing. It's a bit 697 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: of a lighter note. We will also get back into 698 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 1: the incredibly eloquent words of the governor of Utah, Governor Cox, 699 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,360 Speaker 1: who delivered a humdinger. 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