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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt, my name is all.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul Mission Controlled Decade. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today, we are delving

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Speaker 1: into a concept that is going to be familiar to

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Speaker 1: many of our fellow listeners because it is a universal thing.

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Speaker 1: Like all human beings, regardless of who they are, where

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Speaker 1: they are in life, have at some point contemplated the

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Speaker 1: concept of the great beyond right? Why is what is

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Speaker 1: beyond this mortal veil? What is? Why? Is every culture

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Speaker 1: filled with familiar stories of spirits, non corporeal forces. The

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Speaker 1: is one of the primary things that separates us from

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Speaker 1: all other organic life of which we know currently true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's even an entire discipline dedicated to this thanatology. Uh this,

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Speaker 1: We can read about this today, though we wanted to

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Speaker 1: take a very different tact as as you know, folks,

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Speaker 1: we always are fans of going to the source of

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Speaker 1: that's why we're very fortunate today Today we are joined

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Speaker 1: in our exploration beyond this mortal Veil with Julie Reagor

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Speaker 1: and Brenda Via, the host of one of our newest

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Speaker 1: peer podcast, Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now you

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Speaker 1: may recognize Julie as the author of The Ghost Photographer

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Speaker 1: and Brenda as a well known practicing medium. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us on the show today. Hey Ben,

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Speaker 1: great to be here. So that was in order. That

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Speaker 1: bit about your own personal journeys. Julie, this is something

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Speaker 1: What what led you personally? Um? What inspired you perhaps

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Speaker 1: were alive that are no longer alive that you were

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Speaker 1: able to photograph or do you think it was some

428
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: other kind of spiritual energy, some kind of non human thing? Yeah,

429
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Speaker 1: I mean, are you like, how certain are you that

430
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Speaker 1: that's what it is? And was, Well, it's all of

431
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Speaker 1: the above. So that's the thing. It's like, that's where

432
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: I what I learned early on is that, um, when

433
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: when people expect when you talk about anything from the

434
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: other side, they all a want it to be someone

435
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 1: that they know or love. So that's where we all

436
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: go first, which is did they you know, have a

437
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: human body? There are so I mean, it gets so

438
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: complicated and Brennan can explain this better than me, but

439
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: it um, uh, there are so many energies that have

440
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: never been in a human body because we all think

441
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: everything so physical, right and and and now I start

442
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: with the energetic space, then I go to the physical

443
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: versus starting physical then going to the energy addict because

444
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: there are so um you know, we have spirit guides

445
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 1: that are with us from the time we're born. And

446
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 1: and I have a story actually how mine. I wouldn't

447
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: be sitting here if it actually wasn't for mine. And

448
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: his name is Jacob, so I always trying to give

449
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: him a call out whenever possible. Um that that spirits

450
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 1: like Jacob, I've never been in a human body. So

451
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: there's there are energy, spirits, there are things. And part

452
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: of what we want to do with the show is

453
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: so for people to be so open that there's so

454
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: much more out there than what you've ever seen. You know,

455
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: you may have felt them but not seeing They may

456
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: have heard them but not seeing them. Um, you may

457
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: have gotten like a connection in your body to something

458
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: but you can't see it. Doesn't mean it's not real

459
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: and doesn't mean it hasn't that that it wasn't physical before,

460
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: because not everything powerful in the world has been in

461
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: a body before. Does that make sense? It doesn't. It

462
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: brings me to It brings me to something else that

463
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: I thought would be of interest, and in especially with

464
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: this show. Recent polls indicate that people around the world

465
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: are you know, while we always hear things about people

466
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly secular in different societies, but in step with that,

467
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: there seems to be a maybe a renaissance of sorts

468
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: or some growth in at least publicly stated belief in

469
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: these kind of um, these let's just call them non

470
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: corporeal entities. Is how one one statistic or one pole

471
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Speaker 1: put it. Recently, you GOV asked UH residents of the

472
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Speaker 1: US about their belief in various what they called paranormal entities,

473
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: which is also possibly a loaded word, And what they

474
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Speaker 1: found was that nowadays, as of this year, we're looking

475
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Speaker 1: at something like forty five per cent of people in

476
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: America believe not just in the concept of spirits that

477
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: were formerly human, but in things that never occupied, as

478
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: you said, Julie, a physical body. This could be something

479
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: they call a demon maybe depending on their their framework

480
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: that they were brought up in, or they might call

481
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: it an angelic or divine being. And I wanted to

482
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: ask you do you do you too feel that there

483
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: is uh some kind of rise in in this these

484
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: publicly stated beliefs nowadays or is it just an error

485
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: of statistics, or is it just something that's always been

486
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: true that people are more comfortable talking about in public.

487
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: I mean, what would your reaction be to these sorts

488
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: of things that do seem to indicate arise in this

489
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: sort of belief. I think that people are more comfortable

490
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: speaking of it. I think the advent of more access,

491
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: whether it's social media or just more television channels or

492
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but people really have experiences. Their experiences

493
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: a firm from them for them. If you ask people

494
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: specifically if you believe in angels, the number doubles, right,

495
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: it's it's really high. So I think, um, And again,

496
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: all you have to do is say, oh, I'm a

497
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: spiritual person, and people come flying at you with their

498
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: stories and the examples that people share of people who

499
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: are embodied and then not just like that, like they're gone,

500
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: where they came in, saved something and disappeared in in

501
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: a breath, and this these stories happened over and over

502
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and over. And these aren't like, oh, my grandmother once

503
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: had a friend who this is like this happened to me.

504
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: So these are first person stories, and they're spectacular and

505
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: miraculous and intense, and you can tell the authenticity people

506
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: have as they embody the story and they share it

507
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: with you. So I mean, I've just heard so many

508
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: stories and and they haven't all been angelic, but they've

509
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: all been very real and very powerful, and I think

510
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: people are just more comfortable sharing it. And I think,

511
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: just to add to that, Ben and Brenda, that I

512
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: think that the millennials are changing everything. And I think

513
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: what's so interesting is that there is a listen, there's

514
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: a there's are I'm a nerd kind of like your been.

515
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: I like to read stuff and take it in. And

516
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: I just complimented you by calling you a nerd. By

517
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: the way, You're welcome and uh and and so I've

518
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: done a lot of reading on this myself. And there

519
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: was this really great article about all the things that

520
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: millennials are killing. Um, they're killing golf, they're killing beer,

521
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: these things that they don't consume or places they don't

522
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: go anymore. And one of the things that they're also

523
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: changing is organized religion. And I think what has happened

524
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: with the with the millennial audience is that they don't

525
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: buy into dogma the way that their predecessors have, right

526
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: the boomers, And if I I just want to say

527
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Okay Boomer out loud because I just love what they're

528
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: doing that okay Boomer um and being from and being

529
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: from Oklahoma, it was Boomer sooner and so it's just

530
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: like makes my heart explode. But um, so, I don't

531
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: think they're I don't think they're the generation of dog

532
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: I think they're the opposite. I think they reject dogma,

533
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: and I think that, but they're still looking for something bigger, right,

534
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: and spirituality is that thing for them. Um their way

535
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: into crystals, um, their way into meditation, their way into yoga,

536
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: they're into what we would once called alternative that are

537
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: that feeling far more mainstream. So I think there is

538
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: a shift in our modern society because all these things

539
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: that that they're doing, they're not new. They've been around

540
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: for thousands of years, and it's just that there is

541
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: a modern you can call it a renaissance of it,

542
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: but again it's not new. But I think they're rejecting

543
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: so much of the st ricked dogma, the the you know,

544
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: with all due respect to the three guys on the line,

545
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of the women are rejecting

546
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: what the men are trying to tell them. To believe,

547
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: which is a lot of what religion has done. I

548
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: hope I'm pissing people off right now. You're gonna get

549
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: a lot of emails, um um. But but I believe

550
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: that's what's happening, is that there's an opening to that,

551
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: and I think you'll also see it from women in general,

552
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: because women, because women, you know, listen, out of we're

553
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: number two in this out of two, you know, we

554
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: are physically weaker. Um, that's the only place I think,

555
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: actually we're weaker. Unless you're gonna arm wrestle man, I'll

556
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: probably kick your ass. But aside from that, you know

557
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: we're we're we are number two. We we don't rule

558
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: the world. And so women are looking for things to

559
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: give them more strength. And the way they can find

560
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: strength is through energy. And there's so much more power

561
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: in that actually than there is physical strength. And so

562
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: I see a lot of women women moving in that direction.

563
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: I believe for that reason, I think you'll see men

564
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: who um have experienced thing right, you know, things, whether

565
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,479
Speaker 1: it's supernatural, paranormal spirit or whatever you want to call it, um,

566
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: start moving that direction because they see the peace in it.

567
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: So there's a peacefulness to it for them. That's just

568
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: my assessment today. It might change tomorrow well, and just

569
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: from a historic standpoint, traditionally this has been women's work

570
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: right to be multidimensional in how they experienced the world,

571
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: and women's intuition was something that was you know, one

572
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: of the one of their superpowers, and in a world

573
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: where they didn't participate in commons commerce and weren't physically

574
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: as strong as men, but they had this other strength.

575
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: And for you know, eons, this has been honored and

576
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: as well as used to dismiss them, right, So it

577
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: was both a double edged sword or whiches were burned

578
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: at the stake. They were scared and so like I

579
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: had women who will come to me for guidance, particularly

580
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: going through divorce, and they're like, I have to pay

581
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you cash because I can't have any money. Trail that says,

582
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: I came into consult psychic during my divorce so that

583
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: it won't be used against me and take my children

584
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: away accepting bitcoin. I think it's a really interesting point

585
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: because very examptly, I work on a separate podcast called

586
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: Murder in Oregon, and there is a it's a true

587
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: crime story about police corruption in prisons in in the

588
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: state of Oregon, and thank you so much, thank you.

589
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: But one of the main players in the story, um

590
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: is a gentleman whose brother was killed, who was the

591
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: head of corrections in Oregon, and there's a story that

592
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: his brother tells about how he saw a psychic and

593
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: how the psychic basically gave him information that led him

594
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: to some useful things that he found out, which was

595
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: a they had somebody in custody. The psychic gave him

596
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: the approximation of the person's name, etcetera. And you know,

597
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: wearing a producer hat, I wanted to be a full

598
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: about not leaning too heavily on that, just because you know,

599
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: we're trying to make a show that appeals to as

600
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: many people as possible, and I kind of know there's

601
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: a stigma around that. And sure enough, so many reviews

602
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: of the show saying love the show, love the brothers,

603
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: hate the psychic story, and it's genuinely a story this

604
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: gentleman chose to tell. He believes in We're not telling

605
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: anybody what to believe. And there was this immediate backlash

606
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: as in saying like stay in your lane, don't let

607
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: these two things cross. There's no room for this concept

608
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: in a straightforward criminal murder investigation. But again on our show,

609
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: where we try to stay open minded about all of

610
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: these things and take a critical thinking approach to this

611
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, We've absolutely investigated government programs that have

612
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: used mediums and spiritualists and psychics to glean some pretty

613
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: relevant information, whether it's about secret sites. UM. We did

614
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: an interview with the guy named Russell targ about a program.

615
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: His book was called Third Eye Spies, about a program

616
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: that he it out of Stanford that genuinely created a

617
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: program for the government that could quote unquote teach people

618
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: to be psychic. Show on that and I found him

619
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: to be very credible, you know, me being kind of

620
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,439
Speaker 1: a skeptic about this, like I was saying earlier, based

621
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 1: on my story, I really and and you know, I'm

622
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: not saying that I don't find you guys to be credible,

623
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: but talking to him and the scientific way that he

624
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: approached it, it did something for me that I hadn't

625
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: really experienced, and I was a little more on board

626
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: than I maybe had been previously. But you know, it's

627
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: still there is that stigma, and I'm wondering how you

628
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: you you deal with that? UM, I mean, obviously, you know,

629
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: you can't let every little critique derail your entire way

630
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: of thinking. But it has to be something that you

631
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: contend with on some level all the time. And you

632
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: know what, you don't have to believe, and you don't

633
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: even have to think were credible, because that's the beauty

634
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: is that it's it's it's it's your choice. You get

635
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: to choose, and we don't care either way. And I

636
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: will tell you something about the skepticism. I don't know

637
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: about you, but I am a subscriber to UM. I

638
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: think it's called sket skeptical, Yeah, skept something, skeptic, inquirer,

639
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it's called. My alf has a lot

640
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: of time on our hands. Well, and I'm not good

641
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: with names. It's it's terrible, but it's but you you

642
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. So I actually read that

643
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: stuff just so I can understand the other perspective right

644
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the other side. That's a little plug, thanks, UM. So,

645
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: so I understand why why you're saying that what you're saying, UM,

646
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: And I think that we all will believe when we're ready.

647
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: You don't have to at any point in time. And

648
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: so I've had people come after me about this. I mean,

649
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: I was on when I was on the road show

650
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: for my book, I was on a radio tour and

651
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: there were callings. I was on this show for two hours,

652
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: and all these callings and these guys and there were guys,

653
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: in all fairness to your gym under that we're wanting

654
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: to try to discredit me all these kinds of things.

655
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: And my response was, you're not required to believe. You're

656
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: just you're not. And I'm not here to sell it,

657
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: because that's the other thing. We're not here to sell

658
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: this to anyone. We don't need you to believe this

659
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: is actually makes your life better if you do, and

660
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,959
Speaker 1: you know our opinion, but you're not required. And that's

661
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: kind of the end to be perfectly on, I mean

662
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: from my point of view, because I'm not. I'm not

663
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: because this we're not a religion. We're not trying to

664
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: take this country to country and convert. That is not

665
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: what we are. We're just the opposite world domination. That's

666
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: the world, right, it's it's the Julian Brenda's show, World

667
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: Domination religion. We have some kool aid here for you

668
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: to drink. There's no cool laid. We have no kool aid,

669
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: because you get to choose if you want to to

670
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: believe or not, but not to believe. And quite frankly,

671
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean we have chosen working as a medium can

672
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: be very intense work. You're working with people in the

673
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: most vulnerable you know, aspect of life emotionally, and you know,

674
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: so it can be very serious. And we've actually chosen

675
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: to keep the tone light and you know not and

676
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: not without you know, weight to it, but to invite people,

677
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: to make people more comfortable, to let them come in

678
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: and find their own way with with the topic and

679
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: not try and force anything. Really, and let's pause here

680
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: for a moment and hear a word from our sponsor.

681
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: This leads us to something that I think is very

682
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: close to, uh, the heart of the current thread here,

683
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: which is that I have heard, I've heard pretty often

684
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: from my my friends who are deeper in this sphere

685
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: than I that I have ever been, that there are

686
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: a ton of misconceptions that the average person might hold

687
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: when they think of this sort of communication, or they

688
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: think of the afterlife or the term you used, Brenda,

689
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: that I especially appreciated the unseen world. What do you

690
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: all see as some of the more common misconceptions that

691
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: people hold when they think about this stuff. The worst,

692
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: I think, the worst misconception that I have come across,

693
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 1: and it it blindsided me. And I'm usually pretty aware

694
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: of these things, and this one came out of nowhere,

695
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: and I feel like it almost knocked me over because

696
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: of the person who was expressing it to me. But

697
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: it was a it's a close friend of mine here

698
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. And he said to me, He's like,

699
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, my wife is really concerned about my relationship

700
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: with you. I'm like, well, what what I said? I'm

701
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: a lesbian and I totally missed the mark nice. I

702
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: usually can get around with that and that was such

703
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: a good hall pass with guys. And he's like, no,

704
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, she really, you know, um thinks that you

705
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: have a connection to the devil because you have these powers.

706
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: And I looked at him brokenhearted. To be perfectly honest,

707
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm like she does. He's like, yeah, I go well,

708
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: and I sat there for a second. I said, you

709
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: know what, I go do me a favor. Let her

710
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: know that I very much believe in God and godly woman.

711
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: I just don't go to church, but I very much

712
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: believe in in that and there were the archetype of

713
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: and I said, because ask her, where does she think

714
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: I got these powers from? I said, because I only

715
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: use them for good? And he goes, oh, and so

716
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: he went and told her and we're all good now. Umna,

717
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: she probably has an issue that I'm lesbian. But that's

718
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: a whole another story, is a whole other podcast. Things

719
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Well, guess what they

720
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: don't want you to know that I'm elisabean. Um So

721
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: I think the whole being demand it is probably the

722
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: thing that upsets me the most because or that I

723
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: hear that is shifts me because I I people brend

724
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: us specifically myself and others like us. I don't know

725
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: very many people are actually anybody that have come across

726
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: that ever uses their powers for evil. They only use

727
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: them for good? So how could that come from a

728
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: bad place? And that's probably the thing that the misconception

729
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: that I get that is probably the most upsetting. And

730
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: I get called a witch, but that's a compliment. Yeah,

731
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, are we getting into like witchcraft?

732
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: Like are we getting into wicco? Where? How would you

733
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: this is? You boys and your labels I just I apologize.

734
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: I I just it helps our listeners kind of understand

735
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: like kind of where where we're lying. We've we've covered

736
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: witchcraft several times, um a lot in the in the past,

737
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: so we we've kind of gone over some of the

738
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, the left hand right hand path, like there

739
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: our differences if you're you know, if you're speaking about witchcraft,

740
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: whether you use your powers for what would be considered

741
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: by an objective power as good or evil and perhaps

742
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: not possibly objective, but just yeah, what what do you

743
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: tell me? More a couple of things so I don't

744
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: get asked if I'm you know, working for the dark

745
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: side straight up like like Julie did. Or I'm sure

746
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: I have family members who are playing praying for my

747
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: soul and I'm good with that, no harm, no file,

748
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I know her family, so that was funny

749
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: to make. But um, but what I would say is

750
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: that um wiccan to be to be practicing. Wicca is

751
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: a religion, so it has its own dogma. Now, because

752
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: of my name Brenda, I often get called Brenda the

753
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: good Witch, but I am not a witch. I don't

754
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: practice Wiccan. I do get called Brenda the good Witch.

755
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: A lot, so you know, it's done playfully, it's done

756
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: hopefully in the honoring way. Um. But it's that's about

757
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: the closest that I come other than honoring the nature

758
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: spirits just in the world and the energy they bring

759
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: in support us. But other than that, we are not wicked.

760
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: I am not wicked. So I'll talk for me. Well,

761
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz is a classically great film, so

762
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: I would take that as a compliment myself. Can I

763
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: just show them a really fast I wanted to ask

764
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: a couple of these questions. So I just want to

765
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: know if you were too describe what the afterlife is?

766
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: How how would you describe it? Or the the other side, Like, um,

767
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: I want our listeners to be able to imagine it

768
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: like paint a paint a picture in their minds. What

769
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: is the afterlife? Well, let me just jump in here

770
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: for a minute, um, just to you know, most people,

771
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: like some phrases I hear all the time is I'll

772
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: sleep when I'm dead. Right, I'm like, that's not how

773
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: it works. We do not. We actually have a lot

774
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: of work to do. On the other side, we have

775
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: to integrate. Right again, this is where part of my

776
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: my approach that Earth school is hard comes from knowing

777
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: that we come to this you know, embodied phase of

778
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: our spiritual life to learn lessons, to um expand our

779
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: experience and understanding of our soul, and to contribute to

780
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: the divine's expansion. Like that's why we come, which means

781
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: when we're done on this phase of our you know, plan,

782
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: our soul expanding plan, when we go back, we integrate,

783
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: We integrate, we learned the lessons deeply, we understand more fully,

784
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: we review our karmic lessons because you know, we are

785
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: either creating dharma or karma blessings or more lessons. And

786
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 1: then you know, so the next time we come, we're ready.

787
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, those lessons are teaed up and those blessings

788
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: are teaed up for us to activate when we get here.

789
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: So when we get to the other side, so hopefully

790
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: that now there's a bit of a long explanation, but

791
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: when we get to the other side, there's lots of

792
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: support spirits, there's lots of reviewing and understanding. And it's

793
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: not just this world, it's other It's an intergalactic experience.

794
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: As I've been told, in the limited way I can

795
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: understand it because in this form, I'm still human, but

796
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: I've had insights into what it what unfolds on the

797
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: other side, Like I can't wait to go to Neptune

798
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: when I'm dead, Like that's like the first place I wanted.

799
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: I have a I have a bucket list for when

800
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm dead. Most people have from when they're alive. I

801
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: have a bucket list for when I'm dead. And Neptune

802
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: is number one, Pluto's number two, Saturn's number three. If

803
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: you all really want to know, absolute Moon, no Mercury, no,

804
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,439
Speaker 1: I like that. I want the outer planets. I can't

805
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: wait to go hang out on those. Honestly, it's it

806
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: sounds very entertaining and interesting. I'm just you know, I

807
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: think it is one of those This is one of

808
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: those areas where I find myself being a little more

809
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: skeptical when I generally wouldn't be. And I'm trying. I

810
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: don't want to play into the you know, the gender

811
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: stereotypes that that you're kind of speaking about. There, the

812
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: the religious or I'm going to jump in so I'm

813
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna help you. I I think I can help you

814
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: out with this if you can buy into the concept

815
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: that we are a spirit having a human experience. Right,

816
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: So when our human body, um it dies, it no

817
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: longer works. We leave our body and spirit form. And

818
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: when we leave our body in spirit form, we are

819
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: energy because everything is energy. And then when we cross over,

820
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: when Brenda talks about there are other things for us

821
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: to learn, is you know there are um there's there's

822
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: healing that has to happen. Like my mother died of

823
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: Alzheimer's and she had Alzheimer's for ten years, so when

824
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: she crossed over, it took her a while to figure

825
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: out how to operate as just a spirit and not

826
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: that broken body. When the first things that happens to

827
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: us when we cross over a cross out of our

828
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 1: body into this the fully into only the spiritual world,

829
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: is that there is a life review that happens for us.

830
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: But it's an interesting life review because you we are

831
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: put into the position of feeling what we made other

832
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: people feel in this life. I have a friend of

833
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: mine um who works in the entertainment industry, who actually

834
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: had a near death experience and what that when he

835
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: started the life review before he came back, what he

836
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: experienced was how mean he was to Valets. Now that

837
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: is the one that's a one percent or problem. But

838
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: but he felt how rude he was right UM, and

839
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 1: and it actually profoundly changed him in this world because

840
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: he's one of the most gentle, kindest humans that I

841
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: know because he experienced that how he made other people feel.

842
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: So that's kind of step one that happens, is that

843
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: you gotta learn your lessons. So once you get going

844
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: and start cruising through life or cruising through death, life

845
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: is UM, then you get to start choosing things. Like

846
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: my mother comes to me UM sometimes I don't want

847
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: to say all the time, but we have a nice

848
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: relationship ship UM on the other side, and and there

849
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: are times I've seen her and she comes to me

850
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: on how she wants me to see her. She's come

851
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: to me UM looking like the younger version of herself

852
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: before I was ever even born. So she had long

853
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: hair and never knew my mother with long hair. UM.

854
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: I saw her one time and she had like a

855
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: hundred cats because she was kind of cat lady. I mean,

856
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: that's a confession I really don't want to put, but

857
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say she's a cat lady.

858
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,240
Speaker 1: She loved cats, and there was like a hundred cats

859
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: like that were jumping and when she was the happiest

860
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: I had seen her on the other side because she

861
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: chose to go spend time there. So we get to

862
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: go choose. So when you say give people, give your listeners,

863
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: paint them a picture, Well, the thing is, there are

864
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: so many pictures. There's not numbers that exist in our

865
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: mathematical order that can give you the number of painted

866
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: objects that how people could how they are on the

867
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: other side because they get to create that right, because

868
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: we still live in the physical world. And I think

869
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: that's where some complication happens. But I will tell you

870
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: when I think a question, what what can help people

871
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: maybe paint a picture? Is what actually Brendan, I see

872
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: when we talked to um loved ones that have crossed over.

873
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: So I had a friend again in the entertainment industry

874
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: that came to me after my book came out, and

875
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: she wanted to have dinner and and Um, I agreed

876
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: to have dinner, and and so she's talking that she

877
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: wanted to Actually she wanted her I think her father

878
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: to come through. Well that's not who came through. So

879
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: so point number one is that you may ask for

880
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: somebody to come through but it's up to them and

881
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm not in charge of that. So like, whoever comes

882
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: through comes through. But I see this woman and I

883
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: start describing this woman, and this is actually a friend

884
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: of hers that that had died. So I described her

885
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: to the tea of this woman that I saw, and

886
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: we get into it. But what was the interesting part

887
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: of it was I looked at my friend and I said, dor,

888
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: I said, did your friend have a boom job? And

889
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: she looked at me. She goes no, And she was

890
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: why And I said, because she's flashing me her boobs.

891
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: I said, I you know, I'm still a little kind

892
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: of new with this, right. It hasn't been my life long,

893
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: uh pursuit, but I've never had a spirit flashed me

894
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: their boobs. And I said, and now I and now

895
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: I cannot and see it. And uh so She's like, no,

896
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: she didn't. So, of course, as someone who was a

897
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: bit more of a newbie than somebody like Brenda who

898
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: has like her pH d. In this, I'm like in

899
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: second grade, Um, I get insecure about I'm like, well, okay,

900
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: well I'm just telling you this is what I see.

901
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: So the next day I get an email from her

902
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: because she reached out to her friend's husband and who

903
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: confirmed that she had actually had a boob job. And um,

904
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: so they come up, they show up literally how they

905
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: choose to. And for some reason, this woman flashed me

906
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: her boobs from the other side. And you guys are

907
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: all like, oh man, I want to be a psychic. Now. Um,

908
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: that's a whole new business. By the way, Okay, I

909
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: got totally distracted. But so so we see different thing

910
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: you say, show up different ways, Like I'll see people

911
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: like they'll show me food, they'll show me objects, they'll

912
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: um some things look like a video, some things are

913
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: a picture. Sometimes I can feel something smells, taste, like

914
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: we just get little bits at least me again as

915
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: a second grader and the mediumship world. Um, but I

916
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: think that's more interesting to people is just to know

917
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: how we we see them brand you want to add

918
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: to that. That was great. I think that was Oh

919
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: my god, I just want to pause. You've never said

920
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: that relationship. It's a little different. You know, you answered

921
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: a little different questions, which is how do they show up? Um,

922
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: which is different than you know, how what's the other side,

923
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a variation of theme. But it's it

924
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: was beautiful well, and you kind of answered my next

925
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: statement slash question in that answering there, and it's I'm

926
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: wanting to be very honest here, and I do not

927
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: think this the following is possible, but I wish it were.

928
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: And this is why I'm asking you. I UM, I'm

929
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: going through things in my life right now that I

930
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 1: could very UM. It would be wonderful if I could

931
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: commune with my grandfather who helped me through times of

932
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: my life that were difficult in the past. But he

933
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: has been gone since and I haven't been able to

934
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: do that, UM, And I very much wish that I could,

935
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: but I do not believe it as possible. Just I'm

936
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm asking it, like, what could I do if I

937
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: wanted to at least increase my chances in being able

938
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: to maybe communicate with him again? Just a couple thoughts, UM,

939
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: And the first thing I would ask if you have

940
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 1: a meditation practice at all? Yes, I do, okay, great, UM,

941
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: and well done. So in your meditation practice, I would

942
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: just offer, um, like a deep invitation that says, please

943
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: let me experience you in some way, like just create

944
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: an invitation from heart to heart and then be unattached

945
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: of how that shows up, but I would that that

946
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: would be my practice for forty days is just remember

947
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: when to include that invitation as part of your meditation practice.

948
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: The second thing is I would extend that invitation as

949
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: you go to bed each night, and you can even

950
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: take a few minutes to even write to him and say,

951
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: at this time, when I'm in deep transition and I'm

952
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: calling upon your wisdom, I imagine these are the things

953
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: you would remind me of. Please show up and remind

954
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: me what I can't remember right now because you've already

955
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: given me everything that I need, but right now I

956
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: need more. And that's that's beautiful and I wow, okay,

957
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: you'll have to update us, Matt, And uh, well, I

958
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: mean and I you know, I say that in a

959
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: personal a very subjective thing, but I imagine that a

960
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: lot of people listening could identify with someone in their

961
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: life like kind of as we were speaking earlier, that

962
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: they could really use that communication with you. Were you

963
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: were very clear that when you do open apport or

964
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: you never really know what you're gonna get right um

965
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: or who's going to be around, or who you're gonna

966
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: end up speaking with. But that, Uh, that's a great

967
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: I think that's a great idea, just because it doesn't

968
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: matter what you believe. But if you open yourself in

969
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: the way you just described to someone else, even if

970
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: it's just yourself reminding yourself of the words of that

971
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: lost love one, you may still have the same effect.

972
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: You know, and I've always thought of I mean my

973
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: personal I guess spiritual you know, um code, I guess

974
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, is that everything is

975
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: kind of remnants of information and memories. And oftentimes when

976
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: we uh think we're experiencing something from the other side

977
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: or something like a ghost or you know, a loved

978
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: one speaking to us. To me, it's just like everything's information.

979
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: And I know that sort it was counted to what

980
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, and that everything is his spirit and his energy.

981
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: But I guess energy is is kind of information. So

982
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: to me, like that is a big part of the

983
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: way I look at it. Even like my story about

984
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: the inside of the windshield of signature, that's left over information,

985
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: that's a fragment of something that was left behind, whether physically,

986
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: and it's still there because only a week's time has

987
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: passed since this person died. Um or maybe it is

988
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: something like what you're describing, But I don't know that

989
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: one is more or less valid than the other. And

990
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: I understand when people talk about how places where horrible

991
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: things have happened, where lots of you know, traumatic things

992
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: have happened, and those are like very rich with uh

993
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: disturbing kind of energy or spirits or to me it's

994
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: memories or information kind of that like lingers in a

995
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: place where lots of you know, traumatic things have happened.

996
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: So I know I'm rambling. Yeah, good, I just I

997
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. And I it was very specific with

998
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: the invitation, right, that that is launching off the freak

999
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: and sees of love, and love is energy and it's

1000
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: never destroyed. Right, you can't destroy energy. And so if

1001
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: you launch that invitation, the invocation from your heart, it's

1002
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: going to secure the frequency in which it comes back

1003
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: because a low a low frequency can't exist in the

1004
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: space of a high frequency. Right, The high frequency will

1005
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: always dominate. And love is a higher frequency than it's

1006
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: the highest frequency. So go ahead, I was to say,

1007
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 1: And just to add that for those that that try

1008
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: and they struggle or they are skeptical and they want

1009
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: to give it a world and they just can't get there. Um,

1010
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: call somebody like Brenda or or reach out and schedule

1011
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: appointment with Brenda, because that's well, that's how I got started,

1012
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: right Like I didn't I wasn't capable at that time.

1013
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know enough, I didn't understand um and I

1014
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: you know, I was in my my own personal winter.

1015
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: And and sometimes it's okay to reach out and ask

1016
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: someone else. So Matt, I would encourage you to reach

1017
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: out to Brenda to be real honest, thank you as

1018
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: I outside the show or now you guys choose, but

1019
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: I would just encourage you to do that because if

1020
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: if you are struggling with it and you don't really

1021
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 1: have a belief, if you go into it without a belief,

1022
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: you're probably not going to get in touch with your grandfather.

1023
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: But if you believe, then you have a better chance. Yeah.

1024
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: And again I don't think, um, I don't think you

1025
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: need to believe to have the connection. But it's nice

1026
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: to be open to possibilities. That's all. Just remain and

1027
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: just remain open is really helpful, you know it. One

1028
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: one thing is fascinating here is as we as we

1029
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: get toward the end, of our episode, the introduction of

1030
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: the Insiders Guide to the other Side, Julie, Brenda, you

1031
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: literally anticipated the question I was going to ask next,

1032
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: which was one of the things that we always like

1033
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: to do on this show, is you empower the people.

1034
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: Do you actually think we anticipated it? Did you actually

1035
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: think that maybe Brent and I might have access to

1036
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: a little power that you're not familiar with, you mean,

1037
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: Google docs and once the Uh, well, I guess it

1038
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: goes back to the nature of anticipation. So what I'm

1039
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: setting up here is that I think you beautifully already

1040
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: answered what was going to be our last question, which

1041
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: was what advice can you give people who want to

1042
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: focus on honing their own abilities in this regard? I asked,

1043
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: because one thing that's stuck out in our earlier conversations

1044
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: that we're that we're not on this episode. Uh to

1045
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: to our earlier conversation that was on the air today

1046
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,919
Speaker 1: was Brenda, you had a statement where you said that

1047
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: everybody is born inherently psychic. Everybody has abilities in this regard,

1048
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: and so we just want to give you give you

1049
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: the space. Uh. Talking directly to our list nurse today,

1050
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: is there is there anything in addition to what you

1051
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: all just established, any any additional advice you could give

1052
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: someone who's listening right now and saying, you know, as

1053
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: you established earlier, saying well, I want to I want

1054
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: to try to uh advance in this, but I don't

1055
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: know how is there anything other than openness that that

1056
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: could that people could directly apply in their day to

1057
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: day lives. I love the question, and thank you, ben Um.

1058
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: The for me, the most of the priority is people

1059
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: want it so much and so that they're focusing and

1060
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna like, I'm watching and I'm going to make

1061
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: sure this happens, and if it doesn't come in the

1062
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: way I asked for it, it doesn't matter. And I

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: would remind people that that's, um, that's a little immature

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00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: because you're asking spirit to like thread a specific needle

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to simply gauge. And so instead of like

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Speaker 1: I want to say, you know, I wrote down a

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: specific list. I want these three things in this order

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Speaker 1: by this time, and you know, and that's a fun

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01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: game to play, it's just not it doesn't produce the

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Speaker 1: best results. What the best results is to have a

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Speaker 1: soft focus. So the first thing is start a meditation practice.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have one, don't make it hard and

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Speaker 1: make it easy, which is to soften your mind and

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01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: you have a visual that you like to come back

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Speaker 1: to in your mind or in front of your eyes,

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01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: eyes open or closes up to you, but have a

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Speaker 1: really soft focus, because we're talking about the unseen world,

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01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: and so if you are hyper focused with your eyes,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna miss the actual unseen world. The very subtleties

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Speaker 1: of how spirit comes in, whether it's a flash, whether

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01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: it's you know, soft sound, you're gonna miss it if

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Speaker 1: you're playing music or on your phone, or you know,

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Speaker 1: hyper focus. So soften the focus, just two three to

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Speaker 1: five minutes a day can get you really, really far

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Speaker 1: with bringing your mind into alignment and being able to

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: perceive the subtlety set spirit brings in um and you know,

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Speaker 1: like writing keeping track in a general Oh, you know,

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01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: whether it's like someone symbol is a star, Oh, I

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01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: saw three stars this week and it was in these

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Speaker 1: three places, or you know, like sometimes they'll give you

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Speaker 1: a symbol and and you can just go off of that,

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: like pay attention to where that guidance shows up. And

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01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: then if meditation or you know, finding your spiritual vibe

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: isn't really your thing, then move into the the unconscious

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01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: world of dreams and start keeping track of your dreams,

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: because then we don't have the conscious filter in place

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01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: that takes information that's available to us or coming at us.

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Speaker 1: And I was always present in filtering out this is impossible,

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Speaker 1: This can't make sense. Our conscious filters will take a

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Speaker 1: lot of information that's around us and just put it aside.

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Speaker 1: And so those are the two venues that I like, Um, Julie, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am so before I actually had any type of

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Speaker 1: spiritual vibe UM or any type the meditation type of practice, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't do it the way that render does it

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01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: because I am all those acronyms, um, But for me,

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01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: it was it's it's what I encourage people to do

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01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: is is to truly pay attention. And I think that

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Speaker 1: if you do find a practice that allows you to

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01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: pay attention more throughout your day, but if you can't,

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Speaker 1: try to find a different way to to stay focused

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01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: and pay attention. Because there are a list of things

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Speaker 1: to look for. And what I the things that I

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: would see from from loved ones um were things like

1114
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: they because they're energy, they like to get into our

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: our electronics. So look for lights flickering, look for things

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01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: that um, and then and also try to explain them

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Speaker 1: away because I think that's okay to right. It's like,

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01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: because you don't want to think that if that you

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01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: have your grandfather coming through, but you have a wiring

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: problem in your house. Um, but you don't. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I I try to be really open with and

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: honest with people about this. It's like just because you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to think that someone's here when

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: they're actually not because you have really a wiring issue.

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Speaker 1: But electronics is a good one and one of the

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Speaker 1: best ones that I found is is um in part

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01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: of the whole electronics family is also computers. Um. There

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01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: was a time when my wife and I were in

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Speaker 1: our kitchen. Um, the computer was on. But what happened

1130
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: was and you know, this is solid state technology, right,

1131
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: so this isn't like faulty wiring because it was a

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01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: Mac go Apple, and they should pay you for that,

1133
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: by the way, so somebody should call them. Uh. So

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01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: iTunes came up, and it was before I Heart had

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: an app, So iTunes came up and and played a song. Uh.

1136
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: It was psychedelic furs, ghost in you. Um, it's not ironic.

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: That was obviously planned by the spirit. And I knew.

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, who's here? Because that just doesn't happen

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01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: because it's solid state technology, right, and and it's music

1140
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: is another thing. Right, So there's a divine in timing

1141
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: for them for you, for you to hear a song

1142
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: at a certain time and you might be thinking about someone.

1143
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: Don't think it's just accidental, right, They know when you're

1144
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: about ready to enter into a place. Um. So music

1145
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: is good, electronics are good. Light, you know, lights are

1146
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: really good. So just to pay attention to some of

1147
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: those things. Um, numerology, you know. I remember Brenda after

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01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: we lost Mona and you had asked me, you said,

1149
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: does the number six mean anything to you? And I said, well, no,

1150
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: actually it doesn't, and you said, well it does. Now

1151
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: I go, what do you mean? Because Wimana is telling

1152
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: you that the number six is your number? And I

1153
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: will tell you I saw six everywhere and maybe I

1154
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: got I was a tuned to it, but I will

1155
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: tell you. Uh. Susanne and I were in Palm Springs

1156
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: at a casino and I played number six on roulette

1157
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: and it hit over and over and over and over

1158
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: and where I could buy a new mountain bike. Um,

1159
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: so I never heard that story. That's fine, you didn't. Well,

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01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: you're welcome on that one. And actually thank you for

1161
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: that one, because you know I came out ahead. Um

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 1: it's almost like a lottery kind of number thing, but

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01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: it was one number and so you know, just these

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01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 1: are things that aren't you know, you're not whisked the

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: way to behind a closed door, you know, behind the

1166
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: door to another galaxy. I was in. I was in

1167
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: a casino, man and kept hitting the number that that

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: mona wanted me to know it was her. So there's

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01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 1: so many different ways that they can communicate with us.

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01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: There's so many ways for us to tap into that.

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01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: But paying attention is the most important thing we can do.

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: It keeps you in the present, all your senses are active,

1173
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: and you can really be able to know what's happening

1174
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: when it's happening. Because I bet you all of you

1175
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: have experienced so many things that A you don't know,

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01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: or you've tried to um, you've tried to explain away,

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01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: or you've just missed, but they're there. I guarantee your

1178
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: grandfather Matt has has definitely made his self present to you.

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01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: I would I would probably agree. I think I think

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01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: a lot of that comes that longing comes from the

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: um the want to have a conversation, right, And I

1182
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: think that's the wrong way to think about it. The

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01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: way an interaction can occur here, the way you're describing,

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01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: the way you've been describing interactions this whole time. It's

1185
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: more of an interpretation of something that you know, uh,

1186
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: a reaching out that isn't sitting down and having a

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01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: conversation that is not going to happen likely when I

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: find the conversation, Yeah, I find the conversations UM come

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01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: best from the pros like Brenda, because Brenda has this

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01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: Brenda shut your ears on once you get a big

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01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: head that Brenda has such I mean, her gifts are

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01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: so extraordinary. And then when she talked about superpowers, I've

1193
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: always encouraged her to get a cape um because to

1194
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: me she is like superwoman and and has this ability

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01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: to communicate from the other side to through her to

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01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: you where the words that she uses even at one

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: point I swear brend you sounded like mon And it

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01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: was really weird when that happened. Um, because her gift

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01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: is so extraordinary, and and plus Brenda is also um

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Speaker 1: she's a very principled person. And because she's so principled,

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01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 1: um uh, they come to her. And I don't want

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01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: me to explain what principle means. But because she's so

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01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: principled that that she gets messages, I think that others don't.

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01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 1: And so conversations are best to come from her. You're

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01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: going to get probably um uh, an inclination that they're

1206
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: around you. They might give you a hint there that

1207
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: might give you a clue of some sort, but the

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01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: combos come from from the pros. So the only thing,

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: thank you, Julie, you're very kind, and that you didn't

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Speaker 1: close your ears. The only thing I would think about,

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01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: um when you when you spoke of interpretations. Right, of

1212
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: course it's interpretations because it's a frequency. Right. They don't

1213
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: have a body anymore, so they are transmitting a frequency.

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01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: It can be a feeling, it can be a sound,

1215
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: it can be a color, it can be right, it's

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: a frequency. It could be like that emotional translation. Like

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: when I'm speaking for spirit, I am literally saying the

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: whole time I'm talking, I'm following the frequency and following

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: the frequency, and then I'm checking with spirit did I

1220
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: get it right? Did? And sometimes I'll go back and

1221
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: have me edit something, just a little bit that I

1222
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: got off or something. I'll be like, no, this was

1223
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: good up until here. Then it's this other thing, and

1224
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: they'll they'll show it to me again. Because I'm translating frequency,

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: that's what I'm translating, and and and that, and that

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01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: translates to emotion. I will tell you what happened about

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01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 1: five minutes ago. I wasn't going to confess this, but

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01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna confess it to you. What just happened is

1229
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: that when Brenda was speaking earlier and she was talking

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01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: about meditation practices and she was going through this, that

1231
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: I closed my eyes and I see my mother, um,

1232
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: because she shows up a lot when I talk about

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01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: her and what she transmitted. I almost started to cry.

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01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: And this is literally five minute If if if Chris

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01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: would have turned around and been like, what the hell?

1236
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: Why is she crying? Nothing's going on. It's because I

1237
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: was actually having a moment with my mom. So they

1238
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: can be an emotional moment for you, and it was

1239
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: just a physical emotional and it was love. It was

1240
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: just like, I'm so proud of you, baby, You're doing

1241
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: exactly what you're supposed to be doing. And and so

1242
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: those things happen and it just happened to me five

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01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:18,480
Speaker 1: minutes ago. And this this is our perfect transition point. Listeners,

1244
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: we want to pass the conversation to you. We want

1245
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: to hear your personal stories, the experiences you feel comfortable

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: sharing after listening to our conversation today, Julie Brenda, we

1247
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,839
Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for being so generous

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01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: with your time today and for introducing many of us

1249
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: for the first time to the real life version of

1250
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: the things that they may have only seen depicted before

1251
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: in in stories or you know, works of fiction. Uh.

1252
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: And most importantly I would say also thank you for

1253
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: sharing your stories and thank you for giving list there's

1254
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: the tools that they will need to at least get

1255
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: started on their journey. The Insiders Guide to the Other

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01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: Side is out now. It is available as as we

1257
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: always say, on the I Heart Radio app. You can

1258
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 1: find it wherever you find your your favorite new podcast.

1259
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: And I just want to add something here. We've been

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01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: talking about belief and skepticism and you know the gamut

1261
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,799
Speaker 1: that all of us listening run just remember, as always

1262
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: on this show, we will never tell you what to believe,

1263
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: but we do ask that like like Julie and Brenda said,

1264
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: keep an open mind before you shut anything down. Um,

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01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: so that just just putting that in there before we end. Um,

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: Julian Brenda has been said, thank you for coming on

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: the show. Where can we find you guys on social media?

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01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, you can find us on Instagram at other

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01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: side guides, you can also call and leave a message

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: for us, and we love that at eight three three

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Speaker 1: to to guide. Oh, I might use that. You guys

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Speaker 1: might get a lot of calls. Actually I want a

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Speaker 1: lot of calls. Amazing. Well, on the flip side of that,

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Speaker 1: if you want to check our show out online, our

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Speaker 1: or wherever you find your favorite podcasts. You can check

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Speaker 1: us out on the social media where we are Conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Stuff and Conspiracy Stuff Show on Facebook and Instagram, respectively.

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Speaker 1: You can also join our group Here's where it Gets Crazy,

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Speaker 1: which is on Facebook. All you have to do is

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Speaker 1: name myself Matt or Ben or combination of the three,

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Speaker 1: or make some reference to something silly that we said,

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Speaker 1: or just make us laugh where you're you're in babies

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Speaker 1: and if none of that, white bags your badgers and

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Speaker 1: you say, guys, I hate the social meds, you know,

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Speaker 1: but I have a story to share. I have something

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you. Well. You are in luck,

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Speaker 1: friends and neighbors, because you can email us directly. We

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Speaker 1: are conspiracy at i heart radio dot com. Stuff they

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Speaker 1: Don't Want You to Know is a production of i

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