WEBVTT - Asteroooooid De-FENSE!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jerry's here, too, with their laser blaster. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is Stuff You Should Know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was reminded today of the Asteroids joke from the

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<v Speaker 3>movie Vacation.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that one.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when they go visit Cousin Eddie.

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<v Speaker 3>And the two boys are hanging out, Anthony Michael Holland,

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<v Speaker 3>the cousin. And he's talking about you got Pac-Man something,

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<v Speaker 3>you got asteroids. And I think he says something like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>but my dad does. And sometimes he can't even sit

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<v Speaker 3>on the toilet or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Dumb, dumb joke.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a dumb joke. That's a Chevy Chase level joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he didn't write that. It was John Hughes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I think Chevy Chase maybe contributed

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<v Speaker 2>that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I know your lifelong grudge against Chevy Chase continues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really does. Unabated.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are talking about asteroids, not hemorrhoids, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is what they were getting at, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably.

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<v Speaker 2>And they are small, rocky bodies. That's the point here.

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<v Speaker 2>These are essentially two different things, Chuck. They're either ancient

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of the early universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Were meant to become planets but never did, so they

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed their parents tremendously. Or they're smashed remnants of early planets, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever they are, they're big or sometimes small chunks of

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<v Speaker 2>rock floating around in our solar system, most of the

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<v Speaker 2>time trapped between Jupiter and Mars in an asteroid belt.

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<v Speaker 2>But every once in a while, one of them gets

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<v Speaker 2>spit out, And by God, there is a non-zero chance

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<v Speaker 2>that thing is headed right toward Earth, ready to kill

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<v Speaker 2>you and everything you love.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean, that is a deep impact in Armageddon.

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<v Speaker 3>Weren't those the two movies?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that happened a.

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<v Speaker 3>Few times back then, back in the good old days

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<v Speaker 3>of moviemaking. But there are, and they probably said some

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<v Speaker 3>of this stuff in the movie, who knows? There are

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<v Speaker 3>more than 1.8 million known asteroids and they can be,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, 30, 35 feet in radius. They could be

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<v Speaker 3>several hundred kilometers in radius. The ones that we worry

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<v Speaker 3>about are the 25,000 near-Earth asteroids. And we discover about

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<v Speaker 3>1,100 of those every year. So, you know, those are

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that we keep an eye on. And as

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see, we have plans for potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The reason we want to keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 2>them is because they sometimes can fall into orbit or

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<v Speaker 2>fall through an orbit and interact with a planet, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's Earth, the moon. If you look at all the

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<v Speaker 2>craters on the moon, those are from former asteroid strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of NASA's big roles is to monitor

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<v Speaker 2>these asteroids that are near Earth and classify them even

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<v Speaker 2>further if they pose a threat. We'll get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>But NASA is carrying on a several hundred year old

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<v Speaker 2>tradition of discovering new asteroids that started in the 1770s,

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<v Speaker 2>the swinging 70s.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's crazy when you look at the year

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<v Speaker 3>when some of these discoveries were being made, like how

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<v Speaker 3>far ahead of stuff they were. Super impressive. And there

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<v Speaker 3>was an astronomer named Johan Bode. And they discovered a

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<v Speaker 3>through math, a mathematical sequence that you're going to. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to make you explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>That explained the distances from the sun for all known planets.

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<v Speaker 3>And when they were doing their calculations, they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, there seems to be one missing here

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<v Speaker 3>in the calculation. Like there should be something like a

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<v Speaker 3>planet orbiting between Mars and Jupiter. And eventually, well, they

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<v Speaker 3>started to search for it. And in 1801, an Italian

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<v Speaker 3>astronomer named Giuseppe Piazza found a faint body that he

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<v Speaker 3>called Ceres. And I guess we should explain what these

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<v Speaker 3>planetesimals were and kind of what happened back then, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the planetesimals, which is an okay word, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>They were either forming into planets and didn't, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>or they were broken up from other chunks of planets.

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<v Speaker 2>And when they came near Jupiter, Jupiter is so immense

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<v Speaker 2>that And its gravitational pull is so strong. How strong

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<v Speaker 2>is it? It actually can break stuff into other planets

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<v Speaker 2>just from orbiting around it. So these asteroids have been

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<v Speaker 2>broken into smaller and smaller pieces. But the one that

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<v Speaker 2>remained the largest, Ceres, is so big that it makes

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<v Speaker 2>up one third of the total mass of the entire

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<v Speaker 2>asteroid belt. 1.8 million known asteroids. One third of the

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<v Speaker 2>mass of all of them is just Ceres. That is

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<v Speaker 2>an asteroid we do not want coming anywhere near us, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Ceres is Latin for problem, problematic. Potentially problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Did you say how big it was?

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<v Speaker 3>620 miles across, a thousand kilometers across. So that is

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<v Speaker 3>very large. there had been five asteroids. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>something called Asteroid Watch, which is exactly what you think

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a watch made of asteroids.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, shoot.

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<v Speaker 3>There were five asteroids on that list in December 22 alone.

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<v Speaker 3>Two were thought to be about the size of a

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<v Speaker 3>commercial jet. And earlier in 22, there was one that

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<v Speaker 3>was two and a half times the height of the

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<v Speaker 3>Empire State Building, and it flew the closest it's got

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<v Speaker 3>in 200 years to planet Earth in 2022, which was

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<v Speaker 3>1.2 million miles. So everyone can now breathe a sigh

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<v Speaker 3>of relief.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that sounds like a really far distance, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is pretty far. It's further than the moon is,

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<v Speaker 2>but for an asteroid, that's close. It's close enough that

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<v Speaker 2>NASA keeps them on what's called its close approaches list.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, oh, there's a close approaches list. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go check that out. And most of these, these

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<v Speaker 2>are like, you know, airplane size meteors or asteroids millions

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<v Speaker 2>of miles away than as close as they're going to get. But, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>there's one. There's one that's coming on April 13th, 2029.

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<v Speaker 2>A popfish, A-P-O-P-H-I-S. Oh, yeah. 375 meters in diameter. That's big.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to come. Within 20,000 miles of planet Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>That's relatively close.

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<v Speaker 2>That's closer than some of the satellites we've launched in

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<v Speaker 2>orbit around Earth are. It's going to come really close.

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<v Speaker 2>And NASA was like, calm down, everybody. There's basically no

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<v Speaker 2>chance of it hitting Earth for the next hundred years.

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<v Speaker 2>They added that kind of quietly on the end. Great.

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<v Speaker 2>So look out on April 13th, 2029 for some end

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<v Speaker 2>of the world parties that are going to be bitching. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I bet.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they did come out and say like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>something bigger than 400 meters could collide with Earth about

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<v Speaker 3>every 160,000 years. So it's not a matter of if,

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<v Speaker 3>but when. And it could be 100,000 years from now. But,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, at some point it's happened before and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>talk about some of those events and it will happen again.

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<v Speaker 3>And the idea is that NASA is just going to

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<v Speaker 3>keep an eye out and hopefully thwart anything in the

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<v Speaker 3>near future.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the hope for sure. One of the ways that

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<v Speaker 2>they do it is by launching space telescopes to keep

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<v Speaker 2>an eye on these things. And not only are they

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<v Speaker 2>using them to track, they're using them to discover new ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Because like you said, I think Giuseppe Piazzi discovered a

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<v Speaker 2>planetismal that he named Ceres and And he noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>it was way darker than the other planets. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why is that asteroids reflect far less

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<v Speaker 2>visible light than planets do, than other celestial bodies. So

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<v Speaker 2>they've created infrared space telescopes to keep track of them.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are turning up an alarming number of near-Earth

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<v Speaker 2>objects that we didn't realize were there before. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we're throwing around a lot of terms. Near-Earth

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<v Speaker 3>object is one. There's also a PHA, Potentially Hazardous Asteroid.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>So this near-orbit surveyor has been, you know, infrareding around,

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<v Speaker 3>spotting these PHAs, writing them down.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not writing them down. It's probably digital, I would guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And basically anything over 460 feet or 140 meters in

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<v Speaker 3>size that has an orbit that will bring them as

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<v Speaker 3>close as 4.6 million miles. So they're really like, they're

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<v Speaker 3>really pushing it out there. Those are the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>are potentially hazardous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And that are ending up on the closest approaches

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<v Speaker 2>list too. So yeah, there's all sorts of, the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing too, is there's different lists, there's different definitions for

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<v Speaker 2>what's close, there's different definitions for what size we need

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<v Speaker 2>to keep an eye on. But essentially what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is there are some out there that could be close

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<v Speaker 2>enough that we really need to track and that we

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<v Speaker 2>eventually may need to actually do something about this. So

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start thinking about that today because we might need

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<v Speaker 2>a decade's worth of heads up to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say, Chuck, that we take a break and

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<v Speaker 2>come back and talk about that after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Let's do it. So we're back.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make a quick, not a correction, but

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<v Speaker 3>maybe clear something up. That Near Earth Orbit Surveyor is

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<v Speaker 3>not launched yet. I think they said September 27 was

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<v Speaker 3>like the earliest it could get out there. But they

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<v Speaker 3>had something for 25 years, another space telescope called the NEOWISE.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's not like nothing was going on. No.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you said that there was like it

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<v Speaker 2>discovers we discover eleven hundred new ones every year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's new asteroids like overall new asteroids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think those are near Earth asteroids even.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, were they?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But not potentially hazardous. There's so many distinctions.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly. There's this and this and this, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all subclasses. It's really the potentially hazardous ones that we

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<v Speaker 2>need to keep an eye on. Sure. But NEOWISE is

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<v Speaker 2>how we started discovering so many every year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think these guys were like, we really should

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<v Speaker 2>start doing something about that. There are some, here's another subclass.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of my favorites. It's a subclass of

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<v Speaker 2>potentially hazardous asteroids that That are extinction class asteroids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The kind that are so big that they could conceivably

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<v Speaker 2>wipe out all life on Earth, which makes them an

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<v Speaker 2>existential risk, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. What Busta Rhymes would call an extinction level event.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that one of Busta Rhymes' songs?

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<v Speaker 1>That's one of his records.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay. That sounds like a Busta Rhymes record for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that, there may have been a

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<v Speaker 1>song called that, but yeah. ELE.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to say it like Busta Rhymes.

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<v Speaker 2>Please.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>But extinction class is anything bigger than 6.2 miles or

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<v Speaker 3>10 kilometers in diameter. And that's basically like, hey, if

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<v Speaker 3>this thing hit Earth, could possibly destroy all of life.

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<v Speaker 3>There are four of these that are PHAs. So four

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<v Speaker 3>extinction class asteroids that are potentially close enough to one

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<v Speaker 3>day cause us a problem, even if that day is

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<v Speaker 3>100,000 years from now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and not just cause us a problem, cause bacteria

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. Like everything on Earth would die if one

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<v Speaker 2>of these hit it, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but who cares about bacteria?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. The chances are very small, obviously. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>NASA's like, we've got 90% of the near-Earth asteroids at

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<v Speaker 2>least half a mile wide tracked. And they stop taking

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<v Speaker 2>questions before anybody can be like, what's up with the

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<v Speaker 2>other 10%? They rushed off stage. And they're like, none

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<v Speaker 2>of that 90% have a significant chance of hitting Earth,

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<v Speaker 2>but there is a non-zero chance, which means we really

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<v Speaker 2>need to keep an eye on these things. There could

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<v Speaker 2>be some bigger ones out there that we don't know about.

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't have to be an extinction class asteroid

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<v Speaker 2>for us to want to do something about it. They

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<v Speaker 2>gave an estimate of What would happen if a mile wide?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you said a six mile wide would be

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<v Speaker 2>extinction class. This is one sixth of an extinction class.

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<v Speaker 2>What would happen if it hit the planet, Chuck? What

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<v Speaker 2>would happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we have a few scenarios.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's a mile wide asteroid and it comes in

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<v Speaker 3>cooking at 30,000 miles an hour, that would be about

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<v Speaker 3>a one million megaton bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably don't even know what that means.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's lower the stakes a little bit and make

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<v Speaker 1>it a little more relatable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say it was the.

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<v Speaker 3>Size of a house, an asteroid the size of a, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's call it an 1,800-square-foot home.

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<v Speaker 2>Two-story, one-story?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go with two-story, maybe a basement, subterranean basement.

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<v Speaker 2>Ranch, Dutch colonial revival?

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<v Speaker 3>Dutch colonial at 30,000 miles an hour hits the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be equal to the bomb that fell on Hiroshima.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It would completely flatten any kind of reinforced concrete building

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<v Speaker 3>about a half a mile from where it hit. And

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<v Speaker 3>any wooden structure up to a mile and a half

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<v Speaker 3>out is just gone so.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one the size of a house, Chuck. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go back and point out that there are, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>five or six airplane size like jet like air commercial

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft size asteroids that are passing by Earth today and tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's September 1st and tomorrow's September 2nd that we're recording this.

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<v Speaker 2>So like if it was even bigger than, say, a

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<v Speaker 2>house or a commercial airline or say like a 20

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<v Speaker 2>story building, that would be roughly something like 20 to

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<v Speaker 2>50 megatons worth of explosion. I saw that the most

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<v Speaker 2>powerful nuclear warhead in the United States arsenal is 1.4 megatons.

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<v Speaker 2>This is potentially 50 megatons, which is the same size

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<v Speaker 2>as the Tsar Bomba, which is the far and away

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<v Speaker 2>the largest nuclear warhead ever exploded on Earth. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a test.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you want to wipe out almost everything on Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>it would have to be about seven, an asteroid seven

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<v Speaker 3>to eight miles or 11 to 12 kilometers big.

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<v Speaker 1>It would there would be a dust plume.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, you know, we would experience something like a nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>winter would block out the sun, raise temperatures to scorching heats.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost everything would be destroyed, but potentially some stuff might live.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they said it would have to be an

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<v Speaker 3>asteroid 60 miles or 96 kilometers wide. to completely wipe

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<v Speaker 3>out every bacteria that you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything on Earth would die.

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<v Speaker 2>Like unquestionable. There's just no way something would survive. Although

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<v Speaker 2>life tends to surprise us, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Life finds a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Can't you just see like a couple bacteria just

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<v Speaker 2>jumping right at the moment of impact, like an elevator

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<v Speaker 2>going down and surviving?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>And, you know, we're going to detail some past events,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like the one 66 million years ago. that

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<v Speaker 3>most people agree that was an asteroid that took out

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<v Speaker 3>the dinosaurs and a lot of other things. It was

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<v Speaker 3>a global mass extinction event. About 75% of all species

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<v Speaker 3>were killed off. And we discovered this in 1978. We

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<v Speaker 3>discovered along the Mexican Gulf Coast, these geologists were doing

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<v Speaker 3>an underwater survey for an oil company. And we're like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a weird arc-like formation on the seabed here north

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<v Speaker 3>of the Yucatan Peninsula. And they're like, buddy, this is

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<v Speaker 3>an underwater, underground crater between 112 and 124 miles in diameter.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big crater for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very large crater.

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<v Speaker 2>So, by the way, I mentioned this in a little

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<v Speaker 2>more detail in The End of the World. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite things to talk about is this insane

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<v Speaker 2>event that took place in a moment in Earth's history.

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<v Speaker 2>Just talking about it. And like all the little details

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<v Speaker 2>of what happened as a result are just mind boggling

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And what episode was that?

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<v Speaker 2>That was, I don't remember. Okay. So I guess they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to listen to all 10.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But this was the Chicxulub impactor is what they call

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it was that hit the earth. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you said it could have been

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<v Speaker 2>a comet, could have been an asteroid, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear that it was definitely an asteroid that did this. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Iridium is kind of the giveaway.

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<v Speaker 3>Iridium is in the Earth's crust, but it's like asteroids

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<v Speaker 3>are just loaded with Iridium. And the Chicxulub impact crater landed,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was named after a village near there

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<v Speaker 3>where it hit. And it left the crater and it

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<v Speaker 3>also scattered Iridium all over the planet because all over

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<v Speaker 3>planet Earth in geologic layers that Mark, 66 million years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the Cretaceous period, there's really high levels

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<v Speaker 3>of iridium. So if you're still on the comet train,

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<v Speaker 3>you're probably missing out on the good parties would be

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<v Speaker 3>my guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree. So a couple of things about this. They

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<v Speaker 2>think now, just basically by crunching some numbers, that it

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<v Speaker 2>was this Chicxulub impactor, this asteroid, was about 8.7 miles

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<v Speaker 2>in diameter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's big.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. That it produced an explosion or an

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<v Speaker 2>impact or a blast, I guess you'd call it, equal

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<v Speaker 2>to about 100 million megatons. That's 20, 30 times the

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<v Speaker 2>total megatonage of all of the nuclear weapons and all

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.700
<v Speaker 2>the nuclear arsenals in the world today, all going off

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<v Speaker 2>at once in one place. And they figured out that

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<v Speaker 2>right when it hit, since it hit in what's now

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<v Speaker 2>the Gulf of Mexico, or part of it, that it

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<v Speaker 2>just created all sorts of chaos, not the least of

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<v Speaker 2>which was a tidal wave that formed within five seconds

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<v Speaker 2>of impact, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a 15-mile, 15-mile-high tidal wave.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel bad for all the animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, can you imagine just being a stegosaurus, just grazing around,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden it's just over everything? Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I can. That's why I think that I find this

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<v Speaker 2>so fascinating. I can just imagine this stuff happening. I

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine like a sauropod getting carried away on that

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<v Speaker 2>15 mile high tidal wave going.

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<v Speaker 1>For real. I feel bad for that. What'd you say

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<v Speaker 1>it was?

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<v Speaker 2>Sauropod. I believe that's one of the flipper ones.

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<v Speaker 1>OK, the flipper guys. Yeah, I'm sure they were into waves,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not like that.

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<v Speaker 3>So all the rock and seawater would have been vaporized.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to obviously kick up all kinds of debris,

0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.300
<v Speaker 3>geologic debris, that's going to come back down to Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>Like what goes up must come down. And that produced

0:20:12.260 --> 0:20:14.500
<v Speaker 3>friction that set off what's called the heat pulse throughout

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<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere. Basically, that's what killed off all the surface

0:20:18.300 --> 0:20:22.420
<v Speaker 3>dwelling life. And then the after effects are sulfur dioxide

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<v Speaker 3>in the atmosphere raining down as sulfuric acid. The acidity

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<v Speaker 3>of the planet and the oceans as a whole changes

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<v Speaker 3>in an instant, basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Ocean acidity increased a hundred fold very, very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a really quick, really big rise in acidity.

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<v Speaker 2>So that killed a lot of stuff off immediately, right?

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<v Speaker 2>There was just like plankton doesn't like stuff that acidic.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you've got a food web, which means if

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<v Speaker 2>you kill off stuff like plankton or ferns on the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to have an extended cascading effect on the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of life. And that's what happened not just from

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<v Speaker 2>the acidity, but also from the nuclear winter that followed.

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<v Speaker 2>Because remember, like you said, what comes up or what

0:21:10.609 --> 0:21:13.490
<v Speaker 2>goes up must come down, but it doesn't necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 2>that it comes down immediately. So a lot of that

0:21:16.140 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>vaporized rock floated as dust in the atmosphere and blocked

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<v Speaker 2>the sun out. for God knows how long, and a

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear winter set in, and it was an extended one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they estimate that it took about 30,000 years

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<v Speaker 3>for the Earth to just be Earth again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That really knocked Earth off of its good mood.

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<v Speaker 1>It's charted course.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I don't know if you can say

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<v Speaker 3>like bright side or anything, but it allowed mammals to

0:21:49.170 --> 0:21:52.679
<v Speaker 3>fill in a lot of niches that were vacated. The

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:58.760
<v Speaker 3>mammal diversification after this was just bonkers. Birds, obviously, humans

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<v Speaker 3>probably would have never evolved had it not been for

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<v Speaker 3>this event.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, bright side.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I call it a bright side for sure. For us,

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<v Speaker 2>at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, we wouldn't have this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and you know what? Nothing alive today would know

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<v Speaker 2>that this even happened if we hadn't evolved. So, pow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good point.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Chuck, so even though there's a silver lining that

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<v Speaker 2>humans evolved as a direct result of the KPG extinction event,

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't want it to happen while we're around because

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be the dinosaurs this time, right?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But unlike the dinosaurs, we have things like nuclear weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>We have brains. We're a space-fearing, well, you know, I

0:22:38.580 --> 0:22:44.359
<v Speaker 2>guess that was pretty dinosaurist. We're a space-faring species, too,

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<v Speaker 2>which means we can actually get out there and meet

0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:50.090
<v Speaker 2>the asteroid where it's at and deal with it there.

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<v Speaker 2>So you put all this stuff together, and it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a lot clearer that we could conceivably deal with

0:22:57.750 --> 0:22:59.970
<v Speaker 2>an asteroid that we figured out was headed for Earth

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<v Speaker 2>to mess stuff up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first thing, obviously, that you might think is

0:23:05.130 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 3>nuclear bomb. And that is a reasonable thought because we

0:23:09.180 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 3>have all seen those two movies and.

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<v Speaker 1>That could work.

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<v Speaker 2>I've actually not seen either of those movies. Oh, really? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw both of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Is one of them. Does one of them feature Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>Leone standing on a beach where their dad is like

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<v Speaker 2>a tidal waves about to kill them both?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was Deep Impact.

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<v Speaker 2>OK, then I guess I was Morgan Freeman president, although

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't really narrow it down for disaster movies from

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<v Speaker 2>the 90s.

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<v Speaker 1>Bet your sweet bippy he was president in Deep Impact.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I have seen that one then.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that I mean, you know, they both were what

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<v Speaker 3>they were, like fairly fun summer movies, like not great cinema,

0:23:43.820 --> 0:23:47.460
<v Speaker 3>but not like terrible. Armageddon was a I don't know

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:49.600
<v Speaker 3>which one did better. I feel like Armageddon probably did better.

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Or maybe I'm just thinking because of the Aerosmith song.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say you can chalk it up

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<v Speaker 2>to Aerosmith if it did.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, Bruce Willis. Poor Bruce Willis. It makes me sad

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<v Speaker 1>every time I think about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>So nuclear bombs is a reasonable assumption. And like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>it depends on how big the asteroid is. If it

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<v Speaker 3>was smaller, a nuclear bomb could just take care of

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.859
<v Speaker 3>that one and blow it into a million tiny pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>But those are the ones that aren't really a threat

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<v Speaker 3>to the Earth. Like the ones that are big enough

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<v Speaker 3>to be a threat to the Earth, like hitting it

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<v Speaker 3>with a nuclear bomb wouldn't even work because it would

0:24:26.350 --> 0:24:28.300
<v Speaker 3>the pieces of it would still be big enough to

0:24:28.340 --> 0:24:28.879
<v Speaker 3>be a problem.

0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:31.859
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even if so, NASA was like, let's think this through.

0:24:32.100 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 2>If we went out to an asteroid and we landed

0:24:34.540 --> 0:24:36.460
<v Speaker 2>on the asteroid and we drilled into it and put

0:24:36.500 --> 0:24:39.619
<v Speaker 2>a nuclear warhead in there and blew it up, or

0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.290
<v Speaker 2>maybe we just left one on the surface, who knows

0:24:42.930 --> 0:24:44.790
<v Speaker 2>what would happen? And they were like, it would basically

0:24:44.850 --> 0:24:50.210
<v Speaker 2>break it into like smaller chunks, but still really problematic chunks.

0:24:50.250 --> 0:24:54.050
<v Speaker 2>And it might not blast them all off of course

0:24:54.130 --> 0:24:57.910
<v Speaker 2>for Earth, right? So they're like, I don't think blowing

0:24:57.970 --> 0:25:00.230
<v Speaker 2>up asteroids is a very good way to approach this.

0:25:00.330 --> 0:25:03.330
<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean that we can't use the world's

0:25:03.369 --> 0:25:06.930
<v Speaker 2>nuclear arsenals for a really good, noble purpose and use

0:25:06.990 --> 0:25:10.050
<v Speaker 2>nuclear warheads in a different way. And what they figured

0:25:10.150 --> 0:25:13.630
<v Speaker 2>out is that something called a standoff explosion, where you

0:25:13.670 --> 0:25:17.160
<v Speaker 2>set these things off near an asteroid on one side

0:25:17.180 --> 0:25:20.179
<v Speaker 2>of it, that actually could have a pretty pronounced effect

0:25:20.260 --> 0:25:22.920
<v Speaker 2>on dealing with an asteroid headed for Earth. Yeah.

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.199
<v Speaker 3>The idea there is to obviously just blow it off

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:29.290
<v Speaker 3>its course. There was a report in 2007 from NASA

0:25:29.369 --> 0:25:33.689
<v Speaker 3>that said planting a nuclear bomb either on the surface

0:25:33.750 --> 0:25:37.250
<v Speaker 3>or under the surface would would fracture it. And it's

0:25:37.270 --> 0:25:39.310
<v Speaker 3>going to be an issue. So that was like sort

0:25:39.330 --> 0:25:43.010
<v Speaker 3>of official confirmation that that wasn't the best plan. So

0:25:44.890 --> 0:25:49.210
<v Speaker 3>in 2005, I think Congress said, all right, NASA, do

0:25:49.250 --> 0:25:52.020
<v Speaker 3>your do your thing. We need some like real plans.

0:25:52.380 --> 0:25:53.810
<v Speaker 2>We just saw Armageddon.

0:25:54.430 --> 0:25:56.250
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just saw Armageddon.

0:25:56.650 --> 0:25:58.669
<v Speaker 3>And in 2007, they presented the ideas at what was

0:25:58.710 --> 0:26:03.570
<v Speaker 3>called the Planetary Defense Conference in D.C. And they said,

0:26:03.590 --> 0:26:06.950
<v Speaker 3>all right, like Josh Clark will one day say, I

0:26:07.430 --> 0:26:09.900
<v Speaker 3>think the best idea is to try and nudge these

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 3>things off course, at least away from the United States.

0:26:14.020 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>No, like completely off course from planet Earth.

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Sure. Because a nuclear winner affects everybody. I think that

0:26:20.460 --> 0:26:23.510
<v Speaker 2>was the slogan of the Planetary Defense Conference.

0:26:24.010 --> 0:26:26.270
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and on the back it said, don't be a dinosaurist.

0:26:26.790 --> 0:26:30.350
<v Speaker 2>That's right. So this staggered explosion where you set off

0:26:30.390 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of nuclear explosions like all in one place

0:26:33.820 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 2>just off of the surface of an asteroid would actually

0:26:38.780 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 2>sear it. And it would vaporize a bunch of the

0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.770
<v Speaker 2>asteroid and it would push the asteroid in the opposite directions.

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:47.420
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like exhaust almost, right?

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it'd go and shoot off somewhere else. That is

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 2>essentially the only explosive technique that seems to be endorsed

0:26:56.859 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 2>by the scientific community that we could conceivably do, the

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 2>staggered explosion technique. Most of the other ideas are not explosive,

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.490
<v Speaker 2>which is why they don't get as much press. But

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:12.120
<v Speaker 2>they do seem to be even more viable. They all

0:27:12.260 --> 0:27:17.640
<v Speaker 2>basically fall into the kinetic impactor deflection category. The KID

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:19.389
<v Speaker 2>cat is what I call it.

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:20.660
<v Speaker 1>The kid cat?

0:27:20.980 --> 0:27:24.659
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's even better. And essentially what it is is

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out how to use a spacecraft as

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.660
<v Speaker 2>a cue ball hitting an eight ball, the asteroid being

0:27:32.700 --> 0:27:35.020
<v Speaker 2>the eight ball, and sending the eight ball off into

0:27:35.060 --> 0:27:36.590
<v Speaker 2>a different trajectory.

0:27:37.220 --> 0:27:37.380
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:27:38.300 --> 0:27:41.580
<v Speaker 1>Into the corner pocket, hopefully. And that's basically what they're

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:42.109
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out.

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:47.210
<v Speaker 3>It's like, how many remote controlled spacecrafts would we have

0:27:47.250 --> 0:27:51.430
<v Speaker 3>to ram an asteroid with to knock it off its course?

0:27:51.790 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Is that an idea that could work? And they're like, yeah, potentially, sure.

0:27:56.240 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 3>And then they're like, that's kind of hard, though. I

0:27:59.220 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 3>think they likened it to shooting at a speeding cannonball

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.940
<v Speaker 3>with a bullet. So the ESA, the European Space Agency, said,

0:28:06.420 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 3>All right, we got a plan called the– we'll call

0:28:08.140 --> 0:28:10.879
<v Speaker 3>it the Don Quixote. And we're going to get two

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:13.810
<v Speaker 3>spacecraft out there. One's going to land on that asteroid

0:28:14.430 --> 0:28:17.169
<v Speaker 3>and analyze it for a while and give us all

0:28:17.210 --> 0:28:19.550
<v Speaker 3>sorts of data points to where we can make sort

0:28:19.570 --> 0:28:21.869
<v Speaker 3>of a more pinpointed strike and just the right place

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.700
<v Speaker 3>to maximize it so we're not just throwing cue balls

0:28:24.740 --> 0:28:28.600
<v Speaker 3>at this thing. Or we could just have an unmanned

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:32.389
<v Speaker 3>probe just– Park it in orbit and shoot lasers at

0:28:32.430 --> 0:28:34.350
<v Speaker 3>it because Star Wars is a thing, guys. I don't

0:28:34.390 --> 0:28:35.950
<v Speaker 3>know if you've seen that. Yeah.

0:28:35.990 --> 0:28:37.290
<v Speaker 2>And people are like, where are you going to get

0:28:37.330 --> 0:28:40.810
<v Speaker 2>your lasers, bucko? That requires a lot of energy. And

0:28:40.930 --> 0:28:44.900
<v Speaker 2>somebody said, I have a witty retort. How about we

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>put a bunch of mirrors on the space probe and

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.940
<v Speaker 2>concentrate a beam of sunlight and use that as a laser?

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 2>And that shut those critics up real fast. Yeah.

0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:54.830
<v Speaker 1>What was the?

0:28:57.110 --> 0:29:00.010
<v Speaker 3>Oh, what was the sunbeam laser years ago that the

0:29:00.050 --> 0:29:01.810
<v Speaker 3>Mythbusters tested that we covered?

0:29:01.830 --> 0:29:02.930
<v Speaker 2>Archimedes ray?

0:29:03.150 --> 0:29:03.870
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:29:03.950 --> 0:29:07.050
<v Speaker 3>Archimedes death ray. So something sort of like that. Not

0:29:07.090 --> 0:29:09.710
<v Speaker 3>a bad idea. And it's sort of the same thing.

0:29:09.850 --> 0:29:12.230
<v Speaker 3>Is it that laser is going to heat up? It's

0:29:12.260 --> 0:29:13.900
<v Speaker 3>not like it shoots it and it blows it up.

0:29:13.960 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 3>It just heats it up and bits of steam start

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.660
<v Speaker 3>popping off as the laser hits it. And that creates, again,

0:29:20.700 --> 0:29:23.180
<v Speaker 3>like an exhaust, like a jet almost moving it in

0:29:23.220 --> 0:29:23.900
<v Speaker 3>a different direction.

0:29:24.050 --> 0:29:28.830
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Or like when somebody is in a manned spacecraft

0:29:28.890 --> 0:29:33.420
<v Speaker 2>and they're using like the little boosters. They're not called boosters.

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.360
<v Speaker 2>They're called, I just had it.

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:36.370 --> 0:29:38.810
<v Speaker 2>Where you're just like, you're, you know, evening out or

0:29:38.850 --> 0:29:39.570
<v Speaker 2>something like that.

0:29:39.590 --> 0:29:40.810
<v Speaker 1>Thruster? Boosters?

0:29:41.190 --> 0:29:44.210
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Okay. And you're creating with this beam of sunlight,

0:29:44.230 --> 0:29:49.300
<v Speaker 2>this Archimedes death ray, little thrusters within the rock as

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.120
<v Speaker 2>this gas like vaporizes and explodes and all of them

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:56.730
<v Speaker 2>start pressing down Or pushing the asteroid in a different direction.

0:29:57.290 --> 0:29:59.250
<v Speaker 2>None of this is going to happen. We should say

0:29:59.350 --> 0:30:02.010
<v Speaker 2>none of this will happen in any kind of rapid way.

0:30:02.050 --> 0:30:06.050
<v Speaker 2>We're talking pushing this asteroid with a beam of sunlight,

0:30:06.550 --> 0:30:11.850
<v Speaker 2>such a minute fraction of a minute fraction of a nanometer.

0:30:12.550 --> 0:30:15.430
<v Speaker 2>that it will take years and years and years and

0:30:15.490 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>years to actually have the effect that we're looking for,

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.220
<v Speaker 2>which is why we said earlier we need to start

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.900
<v Speaker 2>planning for this stuff now and know what we're going

0:30:23.940 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to do because we might need 30 years of lead

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 2>time to be successful in moving the asteroid off course

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:36.100
<v Speaker 2>using some of these totally viable solutions that we have today. Yeah.

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:39.540
<v Speaker 3>Another idea was like maybe we should just park a

0:30:39.580 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>probe in its orbit. And just leave it there. And

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.870
<v Speaker 3>if you have enough time, it might, like Jupiter did,

0:30:45.990 --> 0:30:49.250
<v Speaker 3>it might have a gravitational pull that will pull that asteroid, again,

0:30:50.230 --> 0:30:52.330
<v Speaker 3>off its course just enough to where in like 30,

0:30:52.330 --> 0:30:55.770
<v Speaker 3>40 years, 50 years, it ends up in a completely

0:30:55.790 --> 0:30:56.310
<v Speaker 3>different place.

0:30:56.790 --> 0:30:57.510
<v Speaker 2>Pretty neat, huh?

0:30:58.010 --> 0:31:00.540
<v Speaker 1>And they call that a gravitational tractor.

0:31:00.580 --> 0:31:01.340
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:02.580
<v Speaker 1>I love that, like a tractor beam.

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:10.850
<v Speaker 2>For sure. I saw somewhere 20-ton gravity. probe, essentially, working

0:31:10.910 --> 0:31:15.210
<v Speaker 2>as a gravitational tractor, could move a 60 million ton

0:31:15.370 --> 0:31:19.850
<v Speaker 2>asteroid in less than a year. Amazing. It is, especially

0:31:19.910 --> 0:31:23.340
<v Speaker 2>considering this is just something that's messing with its gravity

0:31:23.580 --> 0:31:27.100
<v Speaker 2>just by orbiting around it. I mean, that's like, you know,

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:32.260
<v Speaker 2>Dollar Tree version idea. Like, you don't have to do anything.

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:33.860
<v Speaker 2>You just send a probe up there and get it

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:35.740
<v Speaker 2>into orbit around the asteroid. Done.

0:31:36.740 --> 0:31:37.770
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you didn't say Teemu.

0:31:38.490 --> 0:31:38.930
<v Speaker 2>What is that?

0:31:40.030 --> 0:31:43.370
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's the big thing to call the cheap version something,

0:31:43.390 --> 0:31:46.050
<v Speaker 3>the Timu version. I think it's a Chinese company that

0:31:46.090 --> 0:31:46.910
<v Speaker 3>does knockoff stuff.

0:31:47.070 --> 0:31:48.090
<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay.

0:31:48.110 --> 0:31:53.210
<v Speaker 3>So everything is like your Timu, like if you look

0:31:53.230 --> 0:31:55.390
<v Speaker 3>like somebody, you're Timu Ryan Gosling.

0:31:55.490 --> 0:31:56.190
<v Speaker 2>I gotcha.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>That kind of thing.

0:31:57.220 --> 0:31:59.900
<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a non-zero chance I would have said that

0:31:59.940 --> 0:32:01.980
<v Speaker 2>had I known about that meme.

0:32:02.180 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I love how out of touch you are

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 3>sometimes with some of that stupid stuff.

0:32:06.990 --> 0:32:07.890
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely.

0:32:08.630 --> 0:32:10.870
<v Speaker 1>You're like you're better for it. You know, Dollar Tree

0:32:10.910 --> 0:32:11.230
<v Speaker 1>is better.

0:32:11.370 --> 0:32:14.070
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. I mean, I don't think the Gen

0:32:14.130 --> 0:32:18.900
<v Speaker 2>Z listeners agree, but I appreciate that.

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 3>So we should talk about Project Near because the question

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.480
<v Speaker 3>here toward the end of this thing is like, how

0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:27.959
<v Speaker 3>worried should we be? And the answer is not super worried.

0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Like in our lifetime. And like I said, it could

0:32:31.380 --> 0:32:33.900
<v Speaker 3>be thousands and thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:35.660
<v Speaker 3>of thousands of years that this is going to happen.

0:32:35.740 --> 0:32:36.500
<v Speaker 2>Or a hundred years.

0:32:37.710 --> 0:32:40.470
<v Speaker 3>Or 100 years, you and I don't need to sweat it, pal.

0:32:40.550 --> 0:32:41.570
<v Speaker 1>I'm 55 years old.

0:32:41.590 --> 0:32:42.110
<v Speaker 2>Who cares?

0:32:42.770 --> 0:32:44.330
<v Speaker 1>I'll be lucky to make it till 80.

0:32:44.330 --> 0:32:47.780
<v Speaker 3>And people are like, what about your child, Chuck?

0:32:48.020 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to be around.

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even going to know. Exactly. What do you care?

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding, of course. But Project NEAR, capital N-E-A-R,

0:32:57.500 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>what does that stand for? Do you know?

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:03.010
<v Speaker 2>Near Earth Asteroid....

0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:04.660
<v Speaker 1>Rolodex?

0:33:04.940 --> 0:33:05.220
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:33:06.050 --> 0:33:06.140
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:10.540
<v Speaker 3>Okay. That was the– Project NEAR was the first spacecraft

0:33:10.560 --> 0:33:13.620
<v Speaker 3>to orbit a small body of the solar system.

0:33:13.660 --> 0:33:16.390
<v Speaker 1>And it launched in 1996, in February of that year.

0:33:16.410 --> 0:33:21.710
<v Speaker 3>And at first it flew by the asteroid Matilda or Matilde,

0:33:22.570 --> 0:33:22.830
<v Speaker 3>June 1997.

0:33:22.830 --> 0:33:24.050
<v Speaker 1>It came within 753 miles or a little over 1,200

0:33:24.050 --> 0:33:25.050
<v Speaker 1>kilometers of its surface. Kept going.

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 3>And eventually orbited an asteroid called 433 Eurus in February

0:33:33.620 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 3>of 2000.

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.500
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it went psych Matilde and headed on to Eurus.

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 1>But Eurus is a big deal because it's a big asteroid, right?

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>It is a big asteroid. Just orbiting Matilde, I think,

0:33:44.020 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 2>was like a first-time thing, like just to see that

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>they could do it. So they put it into orbit

0:33:48.620 --> 0:33:52.860
<v Speaker 2>around Eurus, 433 Eurus. And it's a potato-shaped, 21-mile-long, 8-mile-wide asteroid. What,

0:33:52.900 --> 0:33:53.229
<v Speaker 2>like a....

0:33:59.930 --> 0:34:01.390
<v Speaker 1>Baker, New Potato.

0:34:01.490 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Russet.

0:34:02.710 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Russet, okay.

0:34:03.340 --> 0:34:04.940
<v Speaker 2>Everything I saw said Russet.

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I got you.

0:34:07.900 --> 0:34:10.779
<v Speaker 2>And it's, I mean, it's a ways away from us.

0:34:11.060 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 2>So it's a great little test asteroid. But what they

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:18.950
<v Speaker 2>did was they put near, the near spacecraft in orbit

0:34:19.050 --> 0:34:21.850
<v Speaker 2>around Eros for about a year. Just kind of, just

0:34:21.870 --> 0:34:23.910
<v Speaker 2>to make Eros a little nervous, like what's this thing?

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.470
<v Speaker 2>Four miles over the surface, which is, I mean, like

0:34:27.530 --> 0:34:31.370
<v Speaker 2>if you're a high altitude skydiver, you might be diving,

0:34:31.390 --> 0:34:35.270
<v Speaker 2>skydiving onto Eros from that height. It was just kind

0:34:35.310 --> 0:34:37.730
<v Speaker 2>of circling it for a year. And then it's like,

0:34:37.770 --> 0:34:39.969
<v Speaker 2>you know what? I'm going to go down and get

0:34:40.250 --> 0:34:41.430
<v Speaker 2>on Eros. And it did.

0:34:42.310 --> 0:34:42.710
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:34:42.890 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>And it got data, measured its gravity, took some nice pictures,

0:34:49.140 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 3>mapped it out, of course, and made some chemical measurements

0:34:51.700 --> 0:34:55.300
<v Speaker 3>of the surface. Right. they're basically proving in real time, like, hey,

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 3>this is something we have proven that we can do.

0:34:57.739 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 3>I think it was in orbit for about a year

0:35:02.300 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 3>when it landed on it and was sending back good

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 3>data until it completely just froze, like the extreme cold

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 3>just destroyed how it could communicate.

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes. And so one of the big things about NEAR

0:35:14.660 --> 0:35:19.420
<v Speaker 2>is that it satisfies that thing that the European Space

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:22.230
<v Speaker 2>Agency pointed out, which was like, You really need data

0:35:22.350 --> 0:35:25.260
<v Speaker 2>on this thing before you actually shoot a probe at

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:28.779
<v Speaker 2>it to knock it off course. And so NEAR proved, OK, great,

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:30.880
<v Speaker 2>we can send a probe to send back data on

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:33.580
<v Speaker 2>it that will need to shoot a probe in exactly

0:35:33.620 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 2>the right place. So that was a big deal. Then

0:35:35.900 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 2>they came up with the DART test. DART, we don't

0:35:38.980 --> 0:35:41.490
<v Speaker 2>have to make up the name for. We understand what

0:35:41.550 --> 0:35:42.790
<v Speaker 2>that acronym stands for.

0:35:42.810 --> 0:35:47.390
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the Double Asteroid Redirection Test. And it is

0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:51.739
<v Speaker 3>a robotic spacecraft that launched a few years ago, I

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:52.919
<v Speaker 3>guess five years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Geez, time's flying. November 2021.

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<v Speaker 3>And its mission, they were like, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,

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<v Speaker 3>programmed to slam into an asteroid, Dimorphos, at 4.1 miles

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<v Speaker 3>per second and see if we can change its orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did. And it did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, remember I said we're talking like just minute little

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<v Speaker 2>amounts that it's moving it. But it adds up over time.

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<v Speaker 2>So what they figured out, and this is just amazing

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<v Speaker 2>that there are people here on Earth that can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the orbit of an asteroid being moved this slightly.

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<v Speaker 2>They figured out that DART, when it hit it, it

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<v Speaker 2>knocked it off of its course at a rate of

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<v Speaker 2>11.7 microns. That's one-tenth the width of a human hair

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<v Speaker 2>per second, which is a crazy small amount. But over

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<v Speaker 2>the course of a year, all of those microns per

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<v Speaker 2>second add up to about 360 meters a year. So

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<v Speaker 2>it depends on how far you need to move the

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<v Speaker 2>thing out of orbit. If you have a decade or

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<v Speaker 2>two heads-up time, you could just do that. So everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure this is getting through.

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<v Speaker 2>We have shown as of 2022 that we can handle

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<v Speaker 2>asteroids that are coming near Earth. Isn't that amazing? That

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<v Speaker 2>makes this an amazing time to be alive. Don't you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 3>And just that little nudge, I believe it was former

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<v Speaker 3>President of the United States, one Barack Obama, who talked

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<v Speaker 3>about making change and how you might not feel like

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<v Speaker 3>you're making change when you're making change. But I believe

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<v Speaker 3>he likened it to a big ship in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, if you just get that thing a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of inches in another direction in 10 and 20 years,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll be surprised about where that ship ends up.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. I was not expecting an Obama quote.

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<v Speaker 3>Just substitute asteroid and outer space. And it's the same

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<v Speaker 3>sort of idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what he was really saying. If you

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<v Speaker 2>read between the lines, he was talking about the dark project.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And then he said, don't be a dinosaur.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace out.

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, by the way, just to be specific,

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<v Speaker 2>that one-tenth of a human hair, the width of a

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<v Speaker 2>human hair, that's if you're using salon selectives. If you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably your hair's a little thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. More body, right? Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew there was going to be a hair girth

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<v Speaker 1>joke coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since Chuck figured out that there was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a hair girth joke, I think that that means

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<v Speaker 2>listener mail's coming up, don't you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Hair girth might rival diarrhea planet is one of the

0:38:34.489 --> 0:38:36.259
<v Speaker 3>worst fan names you can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if there's one. I'm going to look it

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<v Speaker 2>up while you figure out what listener mail we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to read.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't wait to hear. People are going to actually listen

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<v Speaker 1>to listener mail for change just so they can hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I love the show.

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.530
<v Speaker 3>I was born in 1970, so I relate to many

0:38:50.550 --> 0:38:53.230
<v Speaker 3>of the things you guys randomly reminisce about during each episode.

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<v Speaker 3>This morning, I dragged myself out of bed early to

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<v Speaker 3>go for a run before work. My back was stiff.

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<v Speaker 3>My throat was a little sore. But I resisted the

0:39:00.710 --> 0:39:02.610
<v Speaker 3>temptation to have a handy excuse not to run. I

0:39:02.860 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 3>got dressed, put on my earbuds, and I looked at

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.000
<v Speaker 3>my app to see if there were any good podcast

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<v Speaker 3>episodes to listen to, and I gleefully saw your episode

0:39:10.300 --> 0:39:13.460
<v Speaker 3>on Terry Fox. I remember seeing that movie several times

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.300
<v Speaker 3>on HBO before I even joined cross-country in junior high.

0:39:16.820 --> 0:39:19.340
<v Speaker 3>What an inspiration he was for Canadians and Americans and

0:39:19.469 --> 0:39:22.350
<v Speaker 3>all humans alike. So thanks for this great episode and

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<v Speaker 3>for being in my ear during many, many runs in

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<v Speaker 3>the last several years. And that is from Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Jim. That was a good one. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was a good episode. We haven't heard from enough

0:39:33.620 --> 0:39:36.500
<v Speaker 2>Canadians to keep me from being nervous about it still,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like it was a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I imagine if you're debating on whether or

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<v Speaker 3>not to go for a run and you see that

0:39:42.950 --> 0:39:44.950
<v Speaker 3>pop up, you're like, I've got to go for the run.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. You know? Yeah, for sure. You just be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel a little slack for not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. So Terry Fox continuing to inspire. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. Who is that from?

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<v Speaker 1>That's Jim.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Jim. I appreciate that. Chuck appreciates it.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry does too. And before I tell you where to

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<v Speaker 2>send your own email to, I want to tell everybody

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<v Speaker 2>that if you have a band... And you want to

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<v Speaker 2>name it Hair Girth? You will have zero competition out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll be the only band named Hair Girth as far

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<v Speaker 2>as the internet reports. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>I just Googled it in quotes just to see if

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<v Speaker 3>Hair Girth is a term.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only thing you see is.

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<v Speaker 3>Like hair comma girth and rude awakenings by somebody named

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Nader.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Mike Nader said that?

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<v Speaker 1>Please tell me you're kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Okay. I guess it's a book, so yeah. Book plug.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, way to go, Mike Nader. Does it say

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<v Speaker 2>the name of the book?

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hair, Girth, and Rude Awakenings. Childhood, Fatherhood, and the Chaos

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<v Speaker 3>in Between by Michael Nader.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's released 2014. It's out there. It's a short, 112 pages.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, that's a slim tome. That's great. Yeah. A brisk read.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Anthony Jezelnik, pay attention. You should be in

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<v Speaker 1>your book club list.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome. Well, if you've read any of Michael Nader's work...

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<v Speaker 2>that would be fantastic to let us know how it was.

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