Speaker 1: Crime, Hello Social slus, and welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of Real Time Crime. I'm one of your hosts, Leo
Speaker 1: Lamar and looky for all of us a k best
Speaker 1: news ever because I know how much you all have
Speaker 1: missed her. I've seen the d m s. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by my one and only co host, Teddy Melanka. You, guys,
Speaker 1: I have never been more excited to be back on
Speaker 1: a day that we were discussing someone. I'm so obsessed
Speaker 1: with Teddy. We missed you. We're so happy you're back.
Speaker 1: And also, of course we need to discuss the crime
Speaker 1: of how you didn't women Baby Brother so rude. I
Speaker 1: mean I would have thought that it was a crime
Speaker 1: to evic somebody who came in so high in the
Speaker 1: competition rude. I mean, I feel like we need to
Speaker 1: just touch on this very briefly, because everyone was like,
Speaker 1: where the f is Teddy, and We're like, she's on
Speaker 1: Celebrity Big Brother. We don't know what to tell you. You
Speaker 1: You know, it's like watch the show and just listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast and she'll be back. So do you
Speaker 1: have any thoughts? Well, I mean my main thoughts were
Speaker 1: everyone that ever watched Celebrity Big Brother gave me advice,
Speaker 1: none of which I followed, which is do not do
Speaker 1: well in the first competition. But then what happens is
Speaker 1: you get in there and you see everyone looking at you,
Speaker 1: deciding you're not a threat, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're like, I better be a threat. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm an hold on to these these champagne
Speaker 1: bottles with my feet and stirrups until my fingers bleed off.
Speaker 1: Um and and then you and ultimately end up letting
Speaker 1: go to come into second place because you assume you'll
Speaker 1: have another competition the next day and you don't want
Speaker 1: to be injured full time. But then you learn, after
Speaker 1: falling and becoming a threat, that you have eleven days
Speaker 1: until your next competition. So you're just sitting there with
Speaker 1: no TV, no phone, no like nothing could potentially turn
Speaker 1: you into being someone to be talked about in this podcast.
Speaker 1: You know, a serial killer than being London brother. You,
Speaker 1: she says as she laughs maniacally, like I still have
Speaker 1: my phone on silence because I'm not even read, like
Speaker 1: I don't. The buzz of my phone is almost pushing
Speaker 1: me over the edge. But my dad, my dad learned
Speaker 1: how to silence notifications and I was like, are you
Speaker 1: breaking up with me? Every stept by it ever, so
Speaker 1: you know your your silence is still on, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know it's on for everyone and it will never
Speaker 1: come off. I love it. It's my favorite because it's
Speaker 1: the best. Excuse me, I'm sorry I didn't see your message. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about it? I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, obviously you were a threat, whether or not
Speaker 1: you came in second place in the first competition. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I made some good friends. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of laughs. I really missed watching shows on
Speaker 1: murders and talking about it. I missed my family. I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to go home first. But ultimately, once I
Speaker 1: got home, I was so grateful to be out of there.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, my competitive nature took over, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was nice people. I didn't do anything
Speaker 1: to really piss people off. People liked me coming out
Speaker 1: of there, which was shocking. I was like, am I
Speaker 1: getting nice? D S justn't feel right, Like hold on,
Speaker 1: did you just give me support? Well you took the bullet. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then one of the friend we're in,
Speaker 1: we're out. We now you know we have hot topics
Speaker 1: we need to go through that. He's so over it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just what you doing your your special segues? Just
Speaker 1: in conversation there. I've realized that I've taken this into
Speaker 1: my life full time, and especially when you're in the
Speaker 1: celebrity Big Brother House and everyone repeats themselves one thousand
Speaker 1: because you don't realize what you said because you're saying
Speaker 1: it to everyone over and over again, and all you
Speaker 1: can do is talk. So I started a thing where
Speaker 1: anytime somebody was repeating themselves to me, I'd go ah,
Speaker 1: and so that they would know, like you already told
Speaker 1: me that full story, and that he's like, oh, why
Speaker 1: was I voted off first? Normally I would let people
Speaker 1: get away with it two to three times to like
Speaker 1: fifth time into the story, You're like, I can't give
Speaker 1: you a pity laugh again. Oh my god. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: a good thing you're not married to a comedian, because
Speaker 1: all that I'd have to be doing does the same
Speaker 1: jokes over and over. Nare also Hello, Sometimes Demetri, you've
Speaker 1: been demoted back to sometime, I'll take it to have
Speaker 1: something back when I was gone. Did you get to
Speaker 1: be Jemitri yeah, which which I think was maybe just
Speaker 1: a play for Leah to make me think that you're
Speaker 1: the one that insists on the sometimes that you are
Speaker 1: not trying to cause contracts. First you were gone. She
Speaker 1: was like, what's up full time to make free? I
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, I said often times to Okay, what's
Speaker 1: not I was like, she didn't go that one. I
Speaker 1: had very explicit instructions for her upon my departure, when
Speaker 1: Dmitri could be called yeah, substitute teacher Dmitri rolling in
Speaker 1: the TV. Al Right, uh, you guys, today we're going
Speaker 1: to be discussing a suicide pact. That's a possible murder.
Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's full autopsy finally revealed the Kanye and Kim
Speaker 1: Instagram song saga I'm living for it, okay, and finally
Speaker 1: the moment we've all been waiting for the Netflix movie.
Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about the Tender Windler. So good. I also,
Speaker 1: I've taken some time this morning. I know we'll get
Speaker 1: into the Tender Swimmer later in this episode, but to
Speaker 1: peruse his updated Instagram account, daddy, I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was honestly thinking, I was like, this is somebody that
Speaker 1: Leo would totally go broke for that's the eving him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just my type. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to tell you. She sent him money after she found
Speaker 1: out that I'm trying. Yeah, I sent him a cash app.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I mean, I to his heart?
Speaker 1: Why do people always send me those cash app d ms? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm so confused by it. I'm like, what, Like, do
Speaker 1: you really think I'm gonna open this and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me send you mine back. I don't even know
Speaker 1: what a cash app is. Wait? Also, did you guys
Speaker 1: see the photo I photoshop myself in within the back
Speaker 1: seat of the jet. It's so good and of course
Speaker 1: you're in beiged in a turtleneck like all serial killers.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just Simon. Couldn't he has serial
Speaker 1: killer energy? You know? He's so smart and so fine.
Speaker 1: I can't with the finest. But can we get into
Speaker 1: the utah? Because I don't I take it away? Well,
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I didn't mispronounce his name. Um,
Speaker 1: but how you Wang is not somebody that I think
Speaker 1: is a good person to date. Because regardless of this
Speaker 1: as a suicide pact or not, authorities in Utah have
Speaker 1: charged a Chinese national with murder, alleging he delivered a
Speaker 1: fatal dose of heroin to his girlfriend as part as
Speaker 1: of an unfulfilled suicide path. A statement from Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City Police confirms that how You Wang six was disdained
Speaker 1: Friday inside of downtown motel room. Police made their way
Speaker 1: to the motel as part of an investigation into a
Speaker 1: welfare of an unnamed nineteen year old woman. To me,
Speaker 1: what's your name? How you whang? Um? According? I mean
Speaker 1: this is according to um. Another another reporter as if
Speaker 1: I'm a reporter, coming to you straight to a real
Speaker 1: time crime from my Heart radio reporter Teddy Mellencamp reporting
Speaker 1: on how Here's what's upsetting to me. One, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that you're still in college at Oh wow, you
Speaker 1: know what great call. So she was nineteen and he's
Speaker 1: twenty six. So is he actually college student or she
Speaker 1: just a college student dating an older man? And they
Speaker 1: made it seem like they were college students. Yeah they did,
Speaker 1: didn't they? Yeah? But I mean it's actually extremely extremely
Speaker 1: heartbreaking and once again Fentneal's involved. You guys know how
Speaker 1: I feel. Well. Also, the other thing was The weird
Speaker 1: part was they said officers received information that a man
Speaker 1: made threats to kill his girlfriend end. So it's like,
Speaker 1: where are those threats? What were they? I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just truly, Well, then he injected himself with heroin. Well
Speaker 1: she passed away, and then I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: how the police come a hold. The other thing that's
Speaker 1: odd is like, if they actually made a suicide pact
Speaker 1: and they lived together, why go to a motel? Like
Speaker 1: why make it even more depressing? Why do it at home?
Speaker 1: And if this was a suicide pact, why is there
Speaker 1: no note? Why is there no information? Why isn't there
Speaker 1: a discussion about any of these things? Either way? I
Speaker 1: just Mr Gang has some explaining to do. I not
Speaker 1: the first time you've said that. Of course she's plugging
Speaker 1: her n f T s. I mean, we're this is
Speaker 1: not a laughing We're talking suicide pacts here, Leah. I
Speaker 1: don't think we are. I think when you have a
Speaker 1: report that says people said that a man was threatening
Speaker 1: to kill his girlfriend, and then there's a suicide pact
Speaker 1: and somehow his didn't take I don't think that's right.
Speaker 1: I think you have to start with murder listen. It
Speaker 1: really depends how you view the situation, not how you
Speaker 1: want to view the situation. Oh my gosh, I can't.
Speaker 1: Uh well, you guys, you can read a full type
Speaker 1: their names. Do more research on this, but it was
Speaker 1: definitely the first one to catch our eye because I
Speaker 1: also just like everyone to know that I'm very well
Speaker 1: aware that every joke I make is just one brick
Speaker 1: on my path to hell. So look, I'm just I
Speaker 1: just I know, all right, Teddy, move on. You just
Speaker 1: know that they're not Dmitri and Mie joke. So we'll
Speaker 1: see you from heaven. Yeah, wait for me, William send
Speaker 1: me back? Yeah? Um, well we have to get into
Speaker 1: Brian Loundry. But do you like how I thought that
Speaker 1: heaven is actually Paris and like, send me a bag get? Ye,
Speaker 1: send me a bag get And it's version of yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, heaven is what you wanted to be. And
Speaker 1: apparently you're riding a bicycle with a basket with by
Speaker 1: guetts in the front. Well, not me, you and Teddy
Speaker 1: because we are downstairs. She's down in hell with her
Speaker 1: an empties. Um. Brian Laundry's full autopsy released with gruesome
Speaker 1: new details. Grizzly I love the I mean, this is
Speaker 1: from from the New York past, the word grizzly. I
Speaker 1: love the usage grizzly. New details emerged Monday and the
Speaker 1: death of Brian Laundry, including that his scattered bones had
Speaker 1: been nod on by rodents and feral dogs after his death.
Speaker 1: Laundry three died from a self inflicted gunshot wound to
Speaker 1: the head that caused extensive fractures and his skull, according
Speaker 1: to a newly released report by a Florida Medical Examiner's office. Thanks,
Speaker 1: we kind of already knew, yes, I you know, I
Speaker 1: could have done without them using the word feral, Like
Speaker 1: that's not very nice to the dog. Hilarious, so hilarious
Speaker 1: for not to laugh honestly, that that's a higher form
Speaker 1: of a compliment. You know. It's like when I laugh,
Speaker 1: it's just whatever. But if I say hilarious, it comes
Speaker 1: from the depths of my very dark soult. Do Does
Speaker 1: hearing the gruesome details change how you guys feel at all? Nope?
Speaker 1: I'm actually fine with it. No. No, I think uh,
Speaker 1: I think our audience deserves full closure around this case.
Speaker 1: So this is it? Yeah, I think. No. No, let's
Speaker 1: let's go like the single bullet entered his brain at
Speaker 1: the left table and exited through the right. I think that, like,
Speaker 1: what is he a president? Like, how does he get
Speaker 1: this level of detail in an article? Well, because people
Speaker 1: like you are claiming that he left his teeth at
Speaker 1: the scene and he's still alive somewhere, So I think
Speaker 1: there's I used to claim that, Now I think that
Speaker 1: deeper conspiracy. But no, no, obviously he's he's passed away
Speaker 1: and this is very tragic. I still think that this
Speaker 1: is I mean, I mean, this is this is the
Speaker 1: case that created this podcast. So in a way, I
Speaker 1: feel very obligated to tell all the details about his death.
Speaker 1: But in another sense, I'm just like, we this is
Speaker 1: you know, we all already knew this information, and it
Speaker 1: feels so late. Yeah, why did this take so long?
Speaker 1: Why did this take We already knew, they already knew,
Speaker 1: everyone knew. Why did it take so long? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: there was gnawing and chewing on his bones from post
Speaker 1: mortem scavenging carnivore activity, including portions of his arms and legs.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, this is really intense. Coyotes, rodents, raccoons,
Speaker 1: feral dogs eating at his bones. I mean, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a baffled Well, I'm still baffled that his parents
Speaker 1: just walked right up and found his remains when the
Speaker 1: people have been looking for for five weeks. It's still
Speaker 1: very bizarre. Are you really baffled by this or you
Speaker 1: He told him exactly where he was going and they
Speaker 1: just finally decided to tell the police the fact that
Speaker 1: he was wearing a Moab Coffee Roasters hat, like, yeah, thing,
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, listen, I was I was put
Speaker 1: off by the fact that he took the easy way out, right,
Speaker 1: because what he did, in my opinion, is unfathomable and
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. And the thing is, I wanted him to
Speaker 1: be caught and brought to justice and and on all that.
Speaker 1: I wanted that kind of closure. We didn't get it.
Speaker 1: So I think I said back on the earlier path
Speaker 1: that I was disappointed that he got the easy way out.
Speaker 1: So normally I would care about hearing about this about animals,
Speaker 1: nong on the bones stuff, but you know what, I
Speaker 1: don't care in this instance. I to be perfectly honest,
Speaker 1: I don't really either. Okay, so um the majority and
Speaker 1: we'll keep it moving. So I move to you he also,
Speaker 1: did you talking about my amazing photoshop skills? If you
Speaker 1: didn't see the photo of me Pete Davidson last night,
Speaker 1: I'll just throw this up here for you guys to see.
Speaker 1: UM actually think maybe you and Kanye you could be
Speaker 1: the next Julia FoST. Oh my god, do you know
Speaker 1: that I am ready to manifest this? I am, you
Speaker 1: know what, that would be really good for the pod, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe not great for your mental state overall.
Speaker 1: I'm already mentally ill. I mean, it would take so much.
Speaker 1: It would take more than a man screenshotting my text
Speaker 1: messages him and responding to me in all caps to
Speaker 1: really let me pop off. You know. But look, but
Speaker 1: even my dad knows that writing in all caps it
Speaker 1: means you're yelling. And he doesn't even know how to Instagram.
Speaker 1: So I'm working on my communication. Like, really, you had
Speaker 1: no idea. This is the first you've ever heard of this. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm now with Pete Davidson, so I'm giving Kanye a chance.
Speaker 1: He had his family back together. I think it's very
Speaker 1: noble of me, Um, I do. I do think that's
Speaker 1: noble of you, although not true that it's happening, even
Speaker 1: though your photoshop skills were a plus. So good. Also,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, speaking of good for the pod,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys noticed, but my instrument
Speaker 1: following did double in uh less than two weeks because
Speaker 1: I started TikTok oh I started posting all that. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys noticed, as if every day
Speaker 1: I'm like, what any you can see? I'm just I
Speaker 1: have like my little board years Insta followers. Look, Teddy,
Speaker 1: I know when you were in quarantine. It's liberty, big brother.
Speaker 1: You were just refreshing the app every ten minutes just
Speaker 1: to see where I was at. You were putting it
Speaker 1: up on a board. I don't let you guys know
Speaker 1: I started TikTok a month ago when I now have
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty one eight K followers. Don't forget
Speaker 1: the point eight. No, it's very important because it's about
Speaker 1: to be hunt three to I'm about to be I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go look at it. I don't really know how
Speaker 1: to do TikTok that well, but I'm now that I
Speaker 1: know about this doubling, I'm about to get all over it. Well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then my Instagram doubled in like a week and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of hate from a lot of
Speaker 1: men in India, but other than that, it's going great.
Speaker 1: Well that seems fine. But do you think posting private
Speaker 1: conversations should be taken seriously like with Kanye and Kim situation.
Speaker 1: I do if kids are involved one million percent. I
Speaker 1: believe that if the content is harmless, it's fine to post.
Speaker 1: But if the content is anything personal or private, just
Speaker 1: in general, obviously don't post. So you know, it's like
Speaker 1: when you're in a group chat and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna post this on my instant story,
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's that's fine. But when it's about
Speaker 1: a romantic situation gone wrong, which in this case I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree definitely. I don't think we
Speaker 1: can just call it a romantic situation. You have to
Speaker 1: say it's parenting, Like these are two people that are
Speaker 1: parenting four kids together. Their kids are gonna see this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's inappropriate. I think it's inappropriate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's like he wanted to show evidence that
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to hurt Pete Davidson. But that is
Speaker 1: even more wild that that would be something that he
Speaker 1: would have to publicly announce well, especially since the reason
Speaker 1: people thought he might hurt Pete Davidson is because he
Speaker 1: alluded to it at every chance he got. It's not
Speaker 1: like he literally said I'm gonna pull up outside snel
Speaker 1: and it's dead on a rival or whatever. It's like,
Speaker 1: we're not reading between the lines, We're reading the actual line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just actually reading what you wrote. Um that being
Speaker 1: said your predecessor, Julia Fox, I was doing doing quite
Speaker 1: a bit of press herself about it. Has been liking
Speaker 1: all Kim's post, all these things. I mean, to be
Speaker 1: perfectly honest, some it's it's an exhausting situation to me,
Speaker 1: especially that it's involving the kids and now the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: And do you think that Julia Fox relationship was just
Speaker 1: a press set up? I mean I think they. I
Speaker 1: mean she openly talked about being a dominatrix. I think
Speaker 1: that Tony doesn't seem like he wants to be dominated.
Speaker 1: I don't think he does either, But I think they
Speaker 1: both openly have shown that they don't mind utilizing their
Speaker 1: celebrity in the press. I mean, I couldn't have told
Speaker 1: that she was a dominatrix from her full body leather outfit,
Speaker 1: but before she met him didn't look like those outfits too.
Speaker 1: Like it looked she had definitely had a shift in
Speaker 1: her aesthetic. Okay, and do we have any final thoughts
Speaker 1: about Kanye before we take a break. No, I'm happy
Speaker 1: I don't follow him. I follow him because honestly, it
Speaker 1: is the highest form of entertainment in my opinion. To me,
Speaker 1: is like when you hit unsubscribe on spam and they
Speaker 1: just keep sending you ship. That's what he keeps sending.
Speaker 1: All right, it's let's go take a break like Kim
Speaker 1: took from Kanye. We'll be right back. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: and we're back in Welcome back to Real time crime,
Speaker 1: my friends. I'm Leo Lamar. We've got Teddy Mellencamp back
Speaker 1: in the house and of course sometimes Dmitri who's been demoated,
Speaker 1: and he's very sad about it. I see, I saw
Speaker 1: the tears. I saw how many times you wanted to speak,
Speaker 1: and he held his tongue because he knows his place.
Speaker 1: You know, I was trying to find my place in
Speaker 1: this crazy world. I felt, you know, I felt loved
Speaker 1: and now I feel less loved. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I can do. I can deal with it. Dmitri, did
Speaker 1: you have fun when you were promoted? I take it away.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a good thing, right for the
Speaker 1: tinder swindler um who were swindling him out of his position.
Speaker 1: On this podcastle will you give a breakdown of the
Speaker 1: tender Swindler, because then I need to give all of
Speaker 1: my opinions, because of course I couldn't just watch the documentary.
Speaker 1: I had to go to all the instagrams, I had
Speaker 1: to listen to all the other podcast I need to
Speaker 1: know everything about Simon Dremon, all the names. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Simon viev As he liked to be called because he
Speaker 1: changed his name to the famous Diamond Ears family's last name,
Speaker 1: which is one of the wealthiest families in the world.
Speaker 1: Not to cut you off, but I'm pretty sure it's Air,
Speaker 1: not Ere Diamond Air. He's a diamond Air, Diamond Ear.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I got a diamond on
Speaker 1: my ear though, So just let it go. You've changed, Teddy,
Speaker 1: You've changed, for sure. I get so proud. I was like,
Speaker 1: I knew one word. So she Moon pretended to be
Speaker 1: the son of a diamond billionaire. Love loveev and if
Speaker 1: you ask me, it's like he put the leve in leveef. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm out um. The con women he met on Tinder
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars for his lavish lifestyle, and we
Speaker 1: later learned it wasn't just women on Tinder, it was
Speaker 1: also friends. It was there was a huge group of
Speaker 1: people that were swindled and it I think the Times
Speaker 1: of Israel reported that he stole ten million dollars in total.
Speaker 1: He's convicted a fraud in Finland and wanted in several countries,
Speaker 1: and he took on several different identities to evade authorities.
Speaker 1: So he made different names to uh swindle women on Tinder.
Speaker 1: He didn't just use the name Simon Levyev, although currently
Speaker 1: his Instagram as Simon Underscore Leveyev Underscore a Phystical's also
Speaker 1: he has a second one for over twenty one. I
Speaker 1: just noticed he did the private account. Yeah, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: is this a fake account? It's hard to say. Should
Speaker 1: I click and see? Should I subscribe? Yeah? And and
Speaker 1: so here's what he would do. He would meet with
Speaker 1: these girls. He would impress them with the private jets
Speaker 1: and the five star hotels and the fancy clothes and
Speaker 1: the fancy meals, and a lot of these women, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming at this point hadn't really had the private jet lifestyle,
Speaker 1: so they were impressed as anyone would be. Simon would
Speaker 1: pretend his enemies were following him after a certain point
Speaker 1: and send bloody pictures of him and his bodyguard a K.
Speaker 1: Peter Peter hurt. And he would call in distress to
Speaker 1: his girlfriends and asked them to open a credit card
Speaker 1: in his name because they would say, oh, because my
Speaker 1: enemies in the safety situation, I can't use my credit cards.
Speaker 1: Can you please open a credit card in your name
Speaker 1: and then give me access so that I can use
Speaker 1: it right? And it would start a small amounts like K,
Speaker 1: and then he would promise to return the money once
Speaker 1: the safety wasn't insured. And once one credit card would
Speaker 1: max out, he would ask his girlfriends for a loan,
Speaker 1: and often they would take up personal loans and credit
Speaker 1: card increase. He'd even put them on his fake bank
Speaker 1: payroll so that they could increase credit card limits because
Speaker 1: it would look like they were making almost a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a month, when in fact they were not
Speaker 1: making any money at all. In fact, they were going
Speaker 1: further and further into debt. He would take credit receipts,
Speaker 1: make fake checks, promising he's going to pay them back,
Speaker 1: but continuing to ask for more money. Obviously, no money
Speaker 1: ever showed up in either of his girlfriend's accounts. Who
Speaker 1: we saw a Netflix stock Pernilla and Cecile and Eileen
Speaker 1: Cecil and which one wasn't even a girlfriend by the way,
Speaker 1: just a friend, right, Pernilla was just a friend. Man,
Speaker 1: It's so lame. But they did meet up under the
Speaker 1: pretense of maybe dating, but then they parlated into a friendship,
Speaker 1: which I thought was so odd but kind of beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, continue on and then we'll we'll then
Speaker 1: we'll die sack to So. So he swindled two fifty
Speaker 1: thousand from Cecile, and he promised this woman of life
Speaker 1: with her. He said he was going to be her
Speaker 1: husband and he wanted to have children with her, and
Speaker 1: he made her look for apartments and departments were like
Speaker 1: dollars a month. That's expensive. If you're saying his his
Speaker 1: enemies are chasing him down and beating up him and
Speaker 1: his bodyguard, and he's like, but but I want to
Speaker 1: live with you, like why is that attractive to a woman?
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, how many he hasn't been to jail?
Speaker 1: Has he? Because if so, under which name? I mean?
Speaker 1: But this is also what he would do to women,
Speaker 1: which I didn't get from the documentary, which is why
Speaker 1: if you guys really want to go deep down this
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Yeah to the directors and the producers do
Speaker 1: a podcast called The Making of a Swindler, and it
Speaker 1: kind of talked about what he would do, not just
Speaker 1: you know, because they it was kind of surface what
Speaker 1: we saw on on the Netflix doc but he would
Speaker 1: find women and then kind of learn about them and
Speaker 1: then do whatever would hurt them the most, Like this
Speaker 1: one girl came and he pretty much was like, you,
Speaker 1: your arms are too harry, you you need to do this.
Speaker 1: You don't look pretty, like why wouldn't you dress more eloquently?
Speaker 1: Like he would just constantly put them down. And then
Speaker 1: he somehow convinced this girl to they changed her name
Speaker 1: on the UM podcast, but convinced her to go out
Speaker 1: with him again, even and said, oh, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was so rude you and
Speaker 1: said such offensive things. But when you come to this
Speaker 1: event with me, UM, but you need to dress eloquently,
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I don't really have anything elegant,
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, let me take your shopping. So
Speaker 1: then he went with her to Gucci and she's like wow,
Speaker 1: floored by this, And instead of getting her something at Gucci,
Speaker 1: he buys himself five Gucci sweaters. Then it gets in
Speaker 1: the car and takes her to Tzara and gets herough
Speaker 1: something off the rack, off the sales rack. So like
Speaker 1: he was constantly throwing it in their faces, making it
Speaker 1: feel like it was something attainable to them that they've
Speaker 1: never had. He picked a girl who he had known
Speaker 1: was just on this you know, camping trip that she
Speaker 1: did not have a lot of funds. But then that's
Speaker 1: the part that doesn't make sense to me. You're you're
Speaker 1: doing this ultimately this girl escaped, but you're conning women
Speaker 1: that don't even have money, So why like, you're you're
Speaker 1: calling them to go fully broke. Like it's one thing
Speaker 1: if you're conning somebody who has a ton of money
Speaker 1: and they just they're not even taking care of their money,
Speaker 1: and it is what it is, not that that makes
Speaker 1: it better, but if you're calling someone to the point
Speaker 1: where they are going bankrupt, they have no money, they're
Speaker 1: losing all of their savings. Like you're you're sick, You're
Speaker 1: a bad person. He's desperate, he's attention seeking, um, and
Speaker 1: he's an absolute predator. And I think, who um. It's
Speaker 1: interesting because when I hear you talk about him nagging women,
Speaker 1: it's neg's only work if someone is insecure enough to
Speaker 1: accept the nag and then still believe that this person
Speaker 1: is the only person they can receive validation from, and
Speaker 1: so it becomes a vicious toxic cycle. And so they
Speaker 1: want to continually, uh, receive validation from that person that
Speaker 1: they're good enough or pretty enough, or smart enough, rige enough,
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So they'll do whatever it takes
Speaker 1: to keep that person's attention um or receive their love
Speaker 1: or compliments. And so he probably did that to see
Speaker 1: who would do whatever it takes to be with him,
Speaker 1: which included giving him all their money. And then it
Speaker 1: also kind of makes sense if you have ever read
Speaker 1: that book. Did you read it? The shoot I'm blanking,
Speaker 1: but it talks about all the nags and then the
Speaker 1: men who picked up um the game, yeah, the game. UM.
Speaker 1: So ultimately he does all of these things like he
Speaker 1: always has, like the flash she code on, he's showing
Speaker 1: the you know, being in Jess he's doing he's doing
Speaker 1: all of these things for the attention and then nagging
Speaker 1: the women and it's just all pretty terrible. But there
Speaker 1: was one girl, Eileen, who got hers right back. So
Speaker 1: she ends up figuring out what he's doing because it's
Speaker 1: starting to get pressed and she starts realizing putting two
Speaker 1: and two together. However, he thinks he's manipulated her to
Speaker 1: the fact if she's still believing him and she's still
Speaker 1: looking for places for them, but she decides she tells
Speaker 1: him she's going to help himself his clothes, but ultimately
Speaker 1: she helps him sell his clothes and she keeps the money.
Speaker 1: So she's so smart, and I love how she says
Speaker 1: she felt like she concocted a crazy plan because she
Speaker 1: actually had to go see him again after she felt
Speaker 1: so sick. I mean, she saw the article about him
Speaker 1: being a tinder swindler literally right before she got into
Speaker 1: an airplane. It was crazy to me that she sent
Speaker 1: it to him. But that's how that's how much control
Speaker 1: he had over these women, like they truly, I mean,
Speaker 1: she but she was strong enough to see it and
Speaker 1: believe it and then made a plan and then agreed
Speaker 1: to meet up with him. That's how I know that
Speaker 1: he's such a piece of ship, because he literally was
Speaker 1: so lazy that unless they was sending these same text
Speaker 1: messages over and over blood Peter hurt, this is the
Speaker 1: night sending this fake ambulance video. Um, unless it was that,
Speaker 1: then he didn't want to put any work into making
Speaker 1: money because literally need to just put your clothes online.
Speaker 1: It takes effort, obviously, but like if you're literally broken,
Speaker 1: you need money. I mean it takes what a day
Speaker 1: to just snap a photo of your clothes and put
Speaker 1: it onto a retail site. Yeah, I mean he took
Speaker 1: enough time to send the same message to tons and
Speaker 1: tons of women, like the same exact thing, you would
Speaker 1: just change the name. But also I was curious to
Speaker 1: know if the women didn't download the video to see
Speaker 1: the original time stamp on it, and I know that
Speaker 1: they would. I don't think they did. But the part
Speaker 1: that I was so surprised by, I didn't realize this
Speaker 1: is like a conning thing that you do. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the women felt assurance or assured. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the correct assured when they would go meet
Speaker 1: up with him and he was there with friends or
Speaker 1: assistants or people, because then they thought who or his
Speaker 1: even his daughter and the new you know, the ex
Speaker 1: baby mama. They were thinking, wow, because these people are
Speaker 1: with him, it must be real. But ultimately that's what
Speaker 1: Connor artists do because they want you to trust not
Speaker 1: only them, They want you to believe that you're part
Speaker 1: of this whole family type dynamic, which I mean also
Speaker 1: the fact that the baby mama never said anything to
Speaker 1: Cecil and she had actually filed a lawsuit against Simon herself.
Speaker 1: That's what's her deal, because she's still trying to make money.
Speaker 1: She's still flying around on that jet. But also I
Speaker 1: get that he took a lot of money, but how
Speaker 1: is it not like flying around on private jet money?
Speaker 1: Like that's expensive? Like how and constantly he's constantly on
Speaker 1: jets constantly And then like also one of them, I
Speaker 1: can't remember which girl was, he ended up sending them
Speaker 1: his watch because he oh yeah, because he couldn't never
Speaker 1: pay her. He gave her the watch. She flew to
Speaker 1: him to get the watch and then sorry, go on yeah,
Speaker 1: which she said was a hundred thousand dollars and then
Speaker 1: she went to go a hocket and it was fake.
Speaker 1: So what are you spending all your money? Private jets
Speaker 1: and Gucci sweaters? Yeah, and meals and hotels and experiences.
Speaker 1: I was so heartbroken when I saw that Cecil was
Speaker 1: getting cheated on by Simon with obviously lots of women,
Speaker 1: but with that one very young model girl. When they
Speaker 1: spent the whole summer on just like private yachts and
Speaker 1: champagneing and and Paranilla was them with with them the
Speaker 1: entire summer, and little did she know that they were
Speaker 1: spending this other woman's money the whole time. I know
Speaker 1: that that's the part that's going to just really stay
Speaker 1: with these women. Not only are they in a situation
Speaker 1: where there's they still haven't made their money, even though
Speaker 1: a go fund me account has been started since his
Speaker 1: Netflix and they're getting some of the money back. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's beyond But also the real wild part is producers
Speaker 1: and directors from The Tender Swindler reached out to him
Speaker 1: to do the documentary, and once he realized it was
Speaker 1: about the victims, he refused allegedly, so he was all
Speaker 1: game to be a part of it. Until he realized
Speaker 1: they were going to focus on the victims and not
Speaker 1: just him. I can't wait to see his documentary that
Speaker 1: he makes. I don't know he's smart. I think the
Speaker 1: other thing that's interesting, it's like he's very smart, and
Speaker 1: he's obviously very charming and charismatic and good looking and
Speaker 1: put together. Well, but are you is this your dating
Speaker 1: to him? You want me to slide into his d
Speaker 1: M s and see if he'll see it? Honestly, say, cheeze,
Speaker 1: I'll take a picture on it. Ah, yeah, let him
Speaker 1: know I'm into Web three, I got I got that
Speaker 1: n f T money. Just kidding, Okay, Um, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: he's not bigger into crypto. It seems really like his space,
Speaker 1: you know, the Simon coin. Okay, no, but I think, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just confused because people are saying they're
Speaker 1: trying to get him in jail again. He's a freeman
Speaker 1: right now. But if I asked to borrow money from
Speaker 1: someone and didn't repay it, is that a crime or
Speaker 1: are you just a bad person? Well? I personally, I
Speaker 1: mean I've said this repeatedly. I do not believe in
Speaker 1: lending money. Like to me, it's any time I've ever
Speaker 1: loaned money to anyone, I have to just say, this
Speaker 1: is a gift. I may never get it back because
Speaker 1: I truthfully believe that lending money two people ruins friendships,
Speaker 1: ruins relationships. It's not, but I also have a weird
Speaker 1: relationship with money. So if somebody needs money, I make
Speaker 1: that decision, is this something I'm just going to gift
Speaker 1: them because I feel like they're in need, or I'm
Speaker 1: not going to do it. And I tell the same
Speaker 1: thing to my husband because ultimately, if they're in that situation,
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if it's a repeated offender, you're not
Speaker 1: getting the money back. If somebody's repeatedly it's one thing
Speaker 1: if somebody's in an emergency there like you lost your wallet,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but if somebody every single month is
Speaker 1: needing loans, because I mean, people are after them. When
Speaker 1: I first moved to l A, I was loaned money
Speaker 1: by two different friends and I paid them back, but
Speaker 1: they also weighed on me because I hate asking for
Speaker 1: favors and they never ask anyone for money. It literally
Speaker 1: made me feel ill every time I thought about it.
Speaker 1: But I would never consider going back to them and
Speaker 1: asking for more money, that would my ego would take
Speaker 1: such a massive hit. And then someone recently asked me
Speaker 1: for money and I gave him as I gave him
Speaker 1: amount that felt fair because I was like, Okay, if
Speaker 1: I don't get this back, I'll just know that this
Speaker 1: was like I went to the casino and gambled it.
Speaker 1: But also it's low enough that they should be able
Speaker 1: to pay me back. Yeah, But I think that's I
Speaker 1: think is if you go into alone knowing that there's
Speaker 1: you know, at least a fifty chance that this person
Speaker 1: isn't gonna pay you back, and it's something you can
Speaker 1: still do, then do it. But what I'm confused about
Speaker 1: is he would I mean, one his messages to these
Speaker 1: women like first to be like I love you thinking
Speaker 1: about your thinking, and then he was like die give
Speaker 1: me the money, like you can tell if somebody has
Speaker 1: that relationship around the money, things aren't good. No, he's
Speaker 1: a megalomaniac. But my my original question still stay on
Speaker 1: is it illegal? Like is it actually a crime If
Speaker 1: you don't have anything in writing and you just say,
Speaker 1: hey canumbar some money and then you don't that person back,
Speaker 1: is at a crime? I mean, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean because in the documentary they're like, in a way,
Speaker 1: it's the perfect scam because half of it isn't technically illegal.
Speaker 1: He's just a piece of ship. And the other thing
Speaker 1: that's interesting is that it's like you don't want this
Speaker 1: person just out there hurting people, and you want the
Speaker 1: knowledge to be out there that this is. It's like
Speaker 1: he has a wanted poster, but for what you know.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, because he used multiple identities. Sure, did
Speaker 1: he cheat on women? Yes? Is at a crime? No?
Speaker 1: Did he take women's money um, promised to give it
Speaker 1: back and didn't yes, is at a crime no? So
Speaker 1: in a couple of ways, it's like that's why he's
Speaker 1: not in jail, because I mean they there's fraud and
Speaker 1: there's no But listen, it says sentenced to fifteen months
Speaker 1: in Israel for other crimes, but only served five months.
Speaker 1: He has not been arrested any charges of defrauding and
Speaker 1: it's still a free man and appears to not have
Speaker 1: any financial troubles. Yeah, and he was selling business courses online.
Speaker 1: Apparently he just walks around Jerusalem like nothing ever happened.
Speaker 1: But also I think I mentioned at the beginning. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if that's still in here, but they he
Speaker 1: wants he wants to do an hour and a half
Speaker 1: documentary that will come out about his side of the story.
Speaker 1: And there's already one hour an hour and a half
Speaker 1: exclusive interview just in Israel, and can they please release
Speaker 1: it to everywhere we need to see it. Also, just
Speaker 1: a little update, the go fund Me for the ladies
Speaker 1: is up to a hundred and thirty four point five
Speaker 1: UK pounds, So if you have deep pockets and you
Speaker 1: are upset about what you witnessed, I am um. I'm
Speaker 1: very upset about what happened to these women. I find
Speaker 1: it despicable and disgusting. Make sure to go find the
Speaker 1: go fund me. You can find their instagrams or just
Speaker 1: look up the go fund me and send them a
Speaker 1: couple of pounds. And if you're one of the one
Speaker 1: point two million people that already follow Simon's new Instagram account,
Speaker 1: send me a damn because I need to understand. I
Speaker 1: thought it was at one point five. I think it's
Speaker 1: one point too, but who knows. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: so busy checking how many followers you had, I might
Speaker 1: have gotten lost. But this Simon and It went up
Speaker 1: a question though, you said he wants to tell his
Speaker 1: side of the story. What could in your opinion, what
Speaker 1: could that be? Like, what does he think he could
Speaker 1: go out and say that would be Oh, now I
Speaker 1: see his side of the the stories. See why he did this.
Speaker 1: The thing is that he is smart, So I know,
Speaker 1: who concoct something that will make us he'll gaslight all
Speaker 1: of us. But I don't know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think what he's going to try to say is like
Speaker 1: they wanted to give me this money. It's up to that.
Speaker 1: They were in love with me, they wanted to live
Speaker 1: this lifestyle. They knew that I was conning other women
Speaker 1: to be able to fund their lifestyle, so it was
Speaker 1: all just a trickle down effect. Like in my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's what he would do. Also, I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: curious how many at one time, like at some point
Speaker 1: you have to be cute in prior to him asking
Speaker 1: for money that things are askew right, I mean, how
Speaker 1: like have you ever gone and like taken videos of
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollar apartments and like they're they're not. The
Speaker 1: person you're doing it with isn't even there. He's so busy,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because I dated a guy like this
Speaker 1: once and I was triggered the entire time I watched
Speaker 1: this show movie the entire time. I also, I also
Speaker 1: want to say, I think that he'll try to swing
Speaker 1: the public opinion and that he'll make a play for
Speaker 1: sympathy points and say that he had some sort of
Speaker 1: like very dysfunctional childhood and that he was mistreated, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: remember this part in the documentary, but they found his
Speaker 1: mom's apartment and she's basically living in a destitute area
Speaker 1: and he was. But also, so I dated this guy,
Speaker 1: and you know it's crazy. Oh. I blocked him and
Speaker 1: never spoke to him again, and then one day I
Speaker 1: got a notification from the pattern, you know, the app
Speaker 1: that has your zodiac attached to it and tells he
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. So I got a notification that says
Speaker 1: you will be visited by someone from your past, and
Speaker 1: I literally just said my ex's name out loud, and
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh my god, I'm going to
Speaker 1: see him today. Three years later, after blocking him, never
Speaker 1: talking to him again, I ran into him on the
Speaker 1: street with his new girlfriend, l A and and when
Speaker 1: I said his name out loud, I knew exactly where
Speaker 1: I was going to see him too, that's the crazy part.
Speaker 1: And I walked past him. I don't see him, I
Speaker 1: just hear Leah and I turned and it's him, and
Speaker 1: he gave me this big hug and then he starts
Speaker 1: whispering in my ear so she can't hear, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to be like, I'm so sorry about I was like,
Speaker 1: now's not the time. And then it was probably afraid
Speaker 1: you were gonna like, oh yeah, out him in front
Speaker 1: of his girl. He probably he saw me. I don't
Speaker 1: even know why he said my name. Honestly, I think
Speaker 1: he's he couldn't help himself. He had to see if
Speaker 1: you know, you were smiled or you look happy or
Speaker 1: whatever it was, because that's how narcissistic people are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was with this like very young, very young,
Speaker 1: very very I mean she was like Epstein Island young
Speaker 1: fetus and and I mean it was it was like
Speaker 1: inappropriate looking young. And I was like, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a standing up comedian. I actually got to go I
Speaker 1: have a show right now. And she's like, you're a comedian.
Speaker 1: You're such a queen. Oh my god, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like, I have a few more minutes, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We have to take a quick little
Speaker 1: break and then we'll do a final our final thoughts
Speaker 1: on the Tenders. Guys, now that we're back, I know
Speaker 1: we're running out of time, but I do we do
Speaker 1: have to cover one thing that we have not covered yet.
Speaker 1: It was me talking about how I would lend my
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend money to pay his rent. Uh no, but
Speaker 1: not shocking, and while I watched on other girls's Instagram
Speaker 1: stories that he was dating them. Sorry, go on, Well
Speaker 1: that Tender has officially banned Simon in all his affiliate accounts. Yeah. Correct,
Speaker 1: But I here's the thing. Listen, I never, I you know,
Speaker 1: got married to my husband before dating on apps became
Speaker 1: a thing. But if somebody is can assistantly sounding too
Speaker 1: good to be true most of the time they are,
Speaker 1: and then if they're too good to be true, true,
Speaker 1: and then they ask you for money, run, run Run
Speaker 1: is the moral of the story. That is the moral
Speaker 1: of the Tender Swindler story. Which, speaking of scammers, do
Speaker 1: you guys think that next week we could discuss um
Speaker 1: inventing Anna? But we have to also just want to
Speaker 1: let you know. Sis. If he's on a private jet
Speaker 1: but asking you for money, red flag something and check
Speaker 1: your check your time stamps, never give your credit card
Speaker 1: information out. And if you buys five Gucci sweaters for
Speaker 1: him stuff and then takes you to the Tzara sales
Speaker 1: rack by Also if you don't got the ring yet, girl,
Speaker 1: we're not loaning money, not just that. If you don't
Speaker 1: have the ring. Also you even if you get the ring,
Speaker 1: go check it to make sure it's real, especially if
Speaker 1: it's a tender swindler, because especially if it's a diamond
Speaker 1: diamond from his You know, by the way, if I
Speaker 1: was the guy that owned all that, if I was
Speaker 1: whoever the uncle, I'd be ticked off he was tainting
Speaker 1: his dad's name. Well he's not not dad's name. It's
Speaker 1: not not dads But I mean that's if you become
Speaker 1: Liam mellancampbari off and start hustling me. Better delete that profile.
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