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Speaker 1: Crime, Hello Social slus, and welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Real Time Crime. I'm one of your hosts, Leo

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Speaker 1: Lamar and looky for all of us a k best

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Speaker 1: news ever because I know how much you all have

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Speaker 1: missed her. I've seen the d m s. I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by my one and only co host, Teddy Melanka. You, guys,

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Speaker 1: I have never been more excited to be back on

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Speaker 1: a day that we were discussing someone. I'm so obsessed

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Speaker 1: with Teddy. We missed you. We're so happy you're back.

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Speaker 1: And also, of course we need to discuss the crime

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Speaker 1: of how you didn't women Baby Brother so rude. I

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Speaker 1: mean I would have thought that it was a crime

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Speaker 1: to evic somebody who came in so high in the

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Speaker 1: competition rude. I mean, I feel like we need to

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Speaker 1: just touch on this very briefly, because everyone was like,

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Speaker 1: where the f is Teddy, and We're like, she's on

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Big Brother. We don't know what to tell you. You

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like watch the show and just listen

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Speaker 1: to the podcast and she'll be back. So do you

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Speaker 1: have any thoughts? Well, I mean my main thoughts were

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Speaker 1: everyone that ever watched Celebrity Big Brother gave me advice,

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Speaker 1: none of which I followed, which is do not do

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Speaker 1: well in the first competition. But then what happens is

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Speaker 1: you get in there and you see everyone looking at you,

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Speaker 1: deciding you're not a threat, and then all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you're like, I better be a threat. And I

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm an hold on to these these champagne

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Speaker 1: bottles with my feet and stirrups until my fingers bleed off.

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Speaker 1: Um and and then you and ultimately end up letting

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Speaker 1: go to come into second place because you assume you'll

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Speaker 1: have another competition the next day and you don't want

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Speaker 1: to be injured full time. But then you learn, after

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Speaker 1: falling and becoming a threat, that you have eleven days

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Speaker 1: until your next competition. So you're just sitting there with

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Speaker 1: no TV, no phone, no like nothing could potentially turn

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Speaker 1: you into being someone to be talked about in this podcast.

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Speaker 1: You know, a serial killer than being London brother. You,

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Speaker 1: she says as she laughs maniacally, like I still have

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Speaker 1: my phone on silence because I'm not even read, like

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Speaker 1: I don't. The buzz of my phone is almost pushing

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Speaker 1: me over the edge. But my dad, my dad learned

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Speaker 1: how to silence notifications and I was like, are you

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Speaker 1: breaking up with me? Every stept by it ever, so

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Speaker 1: you know your your silence is still on, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I know it's on for everyone and it will never

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Speaker 1: come off. I love it. It's my favorite because it's

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Speaker 1: the best. Excuse me, I'm sorry I didn't see your message. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: So how do you feel about it? I mean, first

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Speaker 1: of all, obviously you were a threat, whether or not

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Speaker 1: you came in second place in the first competition. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. I made some good friends. I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of laughs. I really missed watching shows on

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Speaker 1: murders and talking about it. I missed my family. I mean,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to go home first. But ultimately, once I

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, my competitive nature took over, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it was nice people. I didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: to really piss people off. People liked me coming out

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Speaker 1: of there, which was shocking. I was like, am I

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Speaker 1: getting nice? D S justn't feel right, Like hold on,

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Speaker 1: did you just give me support? Well you took the bullet. Yeah, So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and then one of the friend we're in,

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Speaker 1: we need to go through that. He's so over it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I just what you doing your your special segues? Just

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Speaker 1: in conversation there. I've realized that I've taken this into

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Speaker 1: my life full time, and especially when you're in the

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Speaker 1: celebrity Big Brother House and everyone repeats themselves one thousand

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Speaker 1: because you don't realize what you said because you're saying

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Speaker 1: and so that they would know, like you already told

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Speaker 1: me that full story, and that he's like, oh, why

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Speaker 1: was I voted off first? Normally I would let people

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Speaker 1: a play for Leah to make me think that you're

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Speaker 1: was like, what's up full time to make free? I

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Speaker 1: had very explicit instructions for her upon my departure, when

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Speaker 1: Dmitri could be called yeah, substitute teacher Dmitri rolling in

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Speaker 1: the TV. Al Right, uh, you guys, today we're going

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Speaker 1: to be discussing a suicide pact. That's a possible murder.

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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's full autopsy finally revealed the Kanye and Kim

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Speaker 1: Instagram song saga I'm living for it, okay, and finally

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Speaker 1: the moment we've all been waiting for the Netflix movie.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's talking about the Tender Windler. So good. I also,

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Speaker 1: I've taken some time this morning. I know we'll get

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Speaker 1: into the Tender Swimmer later in this episode, but to

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Speaker 1: peruse his updated Instagram account, daddy, I mean, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was honestly thinking, I was like, this is somebody that

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Speaker 1: Leo would totally go broke for that's the eving him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just my type. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: to tell you. She sent him money after she found

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Speaker 1: out that I'm trying. Yeah, I sent him a cash app.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, I mean, I to his heart?

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Speaker 1: Why do people always send me those cash app d ms? Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm so confused by it. I'm like, what, Like, do

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Speaker 1: let me send you mine back. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what a cash app is. Wait? Also, did you guys

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Speaker 1: see the photo I photoshop myself in within the back

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Speaker 1: seat of the jet. It's so good and of course

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Speaker 1: you're in beiged in a turtleneck like all serial killers.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just Simon. Couldn't he has serial

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Speaker 1: killer energy? You know? He's so smart and so fine.

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Speaker 1: I can't with the finest. But can we get into

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Speaker 1: the utah? Because I don't I take it away? Well,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I didn't mispronounce his name. Um,

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Speaker 1: but how you Wang is not somebody that I think

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Speaker 1: charged a Chinese national with murder, alleging he delivered a

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Speaker 1: of an unfulfilled suicide path. A statement from Salt Lake

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Speaker 1: City Police confirms that how You Wang six was disdained

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Speaker 1: what's your name? How you whang? Um? According? I mean

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Speaker 1: time crime from my Heart radio reporter Teddy Mellencamp reporting

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Speaker 1: on how Here's what's upsetting to me. One, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize that you're still in college at Oh wow, you

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Speaker 1: know what great call. So she was nineteen and he's

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Speaker 1: made it seem like they were college students. Yeah they did,

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking and once again Fentneal's involved. You guys know how

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Speaker 1: I feel. Well. Also, the other thing was The weird

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Speaker 1: where are those threats? What were they? I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: And if this was a suicide pact, why is there

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Speaker 1: see you from heaven. Yeah, wait for me, William send

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Speaker 1: death of Brian Laundry, including that his scattered bones had

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Speaker 1: to a newly released report by a Florida Medical Examiner's office. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: we kind of already knew, yes, I you know, I

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Speaker 1: could have done without them using the word feral, Like

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Speaker 1: that's not very nice to the dog. Hilarious, so hilarious

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Speaker 1: for not to laugh honestly, that that's a higher form

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Speaker 1: hearing the gruesome details change how you guys feel at all? Nope?

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Speaker 1: So this is it? Yeah, I think. No. No, let's

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Speaker 1: let's go like the single bullet entered his brain at

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Speaker 1: the left table and exited through the right. I think that, like,

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Speaker 1: what is he a president? Like, how does he get

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Speaker 1: this level of detail in an article? Well, because people

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Speaker 1: like you are claiming that he left his teeth at

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Speaker 1: his bodyguard, and he's like, but but I want to

423
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: live with you, like why is that attractive to a woman?

424
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, how many he hasn't been to jail?

425
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: Has he? Because if so, under which name? I mean?

426
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: But this is also what he would do to women,

427
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: which I didn't get from the documentary, which is why

428
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: if you guys really want to go deep down this

429
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. Yeah to the directors and the producers do

430
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: a podcast called The Making of a Swindler, and it

431
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of talked about what he would do, not just

432
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: you know, because they it was kind of surface what

433
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: we saw on on the Netflix doc but he would

434
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: find women and then kind of learn about them and

435
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: then do whatever would hurt them the most, Like this

436
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: one girl came and he pretty much was like, you,

437
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: your arms are too harry, you you need to do this.

438
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: You don't look pretty, like why wouldn't you dress more eloquently?

439
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: Like he would just constantly put them down. And then

440
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: he somehow convinced this girl to they changed her name

441
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: on the UM podcast, but convinced her to go out

442
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: with him again, even and said, oh, I'm so sorry.

443
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was so rude you and

444
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: said such offensive things. But when you come to this

445
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: event with me, UM, but you need to dress eloquently,

446
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: and she was like, well, I don't really have anything elegant,

447
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and he goes, well, let me take your shopping. So

448
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: then he went with her to Gucci and she's like wow,

449
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: floored by this, And instead of getting her something at Gucci,

450
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: he buys himself five Gucci sweaters. Then it gets in

451
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: the car and takes her to Tzara and gets herough

452
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: something off the rack, off the sales rack. So like

453
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: he was constantly throwing it in their faces, making it

454
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: feel like it was something attainable to them that they've

455
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: never had. He picked a girl who he had known

456
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: was just on this you know, camping trip that she

457
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: did not have a lot of funds. But then that's

458
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: the part that doesn't make sense to me. You're you're

459
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: doing this ultimately this girl escaped, but you're conning women

460
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: that don't even have money, So why like, you're you're

461
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: calling them to go fully broke. Like it's one thing

462
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: if you're conning somebody who has a ton of money

463
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: and they just they're not even taking care of their money,

464
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: and it is what it is, not that that makes

465
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: it better, but if you're calling someone to the point

466
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: where they are going bankrupt, they have no money, they're

467
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: losing all of their savings. Like you're you're sick, You're

468
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: a bad person. He's desperate, he's attention seeking, um, and

469
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: he's an absolute predator. And I think, who um. It's

470
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: interesting because when I hear you talk about him nagging women,

471
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: it's neg's only work if someone is insecure enough to

472
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: accept the nag and then still believe that this person

473
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: is the only person they can receive validation from, and

474
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: so it becomes a vicious toxic cycle. And so they

475
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: want to continually, uh, receive validation from that person that

476
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: they're good enough or pretty enough, or smart enough, rige enough,

477
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. So they'll do whatever it takes

478
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: to keep that person's attention um or receive their love

479
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: or compliments. And so he probably did that to see

480
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: who would do whatever it takes to be with him,

481
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: which included giving him all their money. And then it

482
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: also kind of makes sense if you have ever read

483
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: that book. Did you read it? The shoot I'm blanking,

484
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: but it talks about all the nags and then the

485
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: men who picked up um the game, yeah, the game. UM.

486
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: So ultimately he does all of these things like he

487
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: always has, like the flash she code on, he's showing

488
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: the you know, being in Jess he's doing he's doing

489
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: all of these things for the attention and then nagging

490
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the women and it's just all pretty terrible. But there

491
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: was one girl, Eileen, who got hers right back. So

492
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: she ends up figuring out what he's doing because it's

493
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: starting to get pressed and she starts realizing putting two

494
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: and two together. However, he thinks he's manipulated her to

495
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: the fact if she's still believing him and she's still

496
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: looking for places for them, but she decides she tells

497
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: him she's going to help himself his clothes, but ultimately

498
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: she helps him sell his clothes and she keeps the money.

499
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: So she's so smart, and I love how she says

500
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: she felt like she concocted a crazy plan because she

501
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: actually had to go see him again after she felt

502
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: so sick. I mean, she saw the article about him

503
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: being a tinder swindler literally right before she got into

504
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: an airplane. It was crazy to me that she sent

505
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: it to him. But that's how that's how much control

506
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: he had over these women, like they truly, I mean,

507
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: she but she was strong enough to see it and

508
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: believe it and then made a plan and then agreed

509
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: to meet up with him. That's how I know that

510
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: he's such a piece of ship, because he literally was

511
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: so lazy that unless they was sending these same text

512
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: messages over and over blood Peter hurt, this is the

513
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: night sending this fake ambulance video. Um, unless it was that,

514
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: then he didn't want to put any work into making

515
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: money because literally need to just put your clothes online.

516
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: It takes effort, obviously, but like if you're literally broken,

517
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: you need money. I mean it takes what a day

518
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: to just snap a photo of your clothes and put

519
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: it onto a retail site. Yeah, I mean he took

520
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: enough time to send the same message to tons and

521
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: tons of women, like the same exact thing, you would

522
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: just change the name. But also I was curious to

523
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: know if the women didn't download the video to see

524
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: the original time stamp on it, and I know that

525
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: they would. I don't think they did. But the part

526
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: that I was so surprised by, I didn't realize this

527
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: is like a conning thing that you do. So a

528
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: lot of the women felt assurance or assured. I don't

529
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: know what the correct assured when they would go meet

530
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: up with him and he was there with friends or

531
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: assistants or people, because then they thought who or his

532
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: even his daughter and the new you know, the ex

533
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: baby mama. They were thinking, wow, because these people are

534
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: with him, it must be real. But ultimately that's what

535
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: Connor artists do because they want you to trust not

536
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: only them, They want you to believe that you're part

537
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: of this whole family type dynamic, which I mean also

538
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: the fact that the baby mama never said anything to

539
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: Cecil and she had actually filed a lawsuit against Simon herself.

540
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: That's what's her deal, because she's still trying to make money.

541
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: She's still flying around on that jet. But also I

542
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: get that he took a lot of money, but how

543
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: is it not like flying around on private jet money?

544
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: Like that's expensive? Like how and constantly he's constantly on

545
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: jets constantly And then like also one of them, I

546
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: can't remember which girl was, he ended up sending them

547
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: his watch because he oh yeah, because he couldn't never

548
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: pay her. He gave her the watch. She flew to

549
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: him to get the watch and then sorry, go on yeah,

550
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: which she said was a hundred thousand dollars and then

551
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: she went to go a hocket and it was fake.

552
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: So what are you spending all your money? Private jets

553
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: and Gucci sweaters? Yeah, and meals and hotels and experiences.

554
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: I was so heartbroken when I saw that Cecil was

555
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: getting cheated on by Simon with obviously lots of women,

556
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: but with that one very young model girl. When they

557
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: spent the whole summer on just like private yachts and

558
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: champagneing and and Paranilla was them with with them the

559
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: entire summer, and little did she know that they were

560
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: spending this other woman's money the whole time. I know

561
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: that that's the part that's going to just really stay

562
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: with these women. Not only are they in a situation

563
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: where there's they still haven't made their money, even though

564
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: a go fund me account has been started since his

565
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: Netflix and they're getting some of the money back. I mean,

566
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: it's beyond But also the real wild part is producers

567
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: and directors from The Tender Swindler reached out to him

568
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: to do the documentary, and once he realized it was

569
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: about the victims, he refused allegedly, so he was all

570
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: game to be a part of it. Until he realized

571
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: they were going to focus on the victims and not

572
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: just him. I can't wait to see his documentary that

573
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: he makes. I don't know he's smart. I think the

574
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: other thing that's interesting, it's like he's very smart, and

575
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: he's obviously very charming and charismatic and good looking and

576
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: put together. Well, but are you is this your dating

577
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: to him? You want me to slide into his d

578
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: M s and see if he'll see it? Honestly, say, cheeze,

579
00:34:53,600 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: I'll take a picture on it. Ah, yeah, let him

580
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: know I'm into Web three, I got I got that

581
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: n f T money. Just kidding, Okay, Um, I'm surprised

582
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: he's not bigger into crypto. It seems really like his space,

583
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, the Simon coin. Okay, no, but I think, um,

584
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just confused because people are saying they're

585
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: trying to get him in jail again. He's a freeman

586
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: right now. But if I asked to borrow money from

587
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: someone and didn't repay it, is that a crime or

588
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: are you just a bad person? Well? I personally, I

589
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: mean I've said this repeatedly. I do not believe in

590
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: lending money. Like to me, it's any time I've ever

591
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: loaned money to anyone, I have to just say, this

592
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: is a gift. I may never get it back because

593
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: I truthfully believe that lending money two people ruins friendships,

594
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: ruins relationships. It's not, but I also have a weird

595
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: relationship with money. So if somebody needs money, I make

596
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: that decision, is this something I'm just going to gift

597
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: them because I feel like they're in need, or I'm

598
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: not going to do it. And I tell the same

599
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: thing to my husband because ultimately, if they're in that situation,

600
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if it's a repeated offender, you're not

601
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: getting the money back. If somebody's repeatedly it's one thing

602
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: if somebody's in an emergency there like you lost your wallet,

603
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, but if somebody every single month is

604
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: needing loans, because I mean, people are after them. When

605
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: I first moved to l A, I was loaned money

606
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: by two different friends and I paid them back, but

607
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: they also weighed on me because I hate asking for

608
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: favors and they never ask anyone for money. It literally

609
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: made me feel ill every time I thought about it.

610
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: But I would never consider going back to them and

611
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: asking for more money, that would my ego would take

612
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: such a massive hit. And then someone recently asked me

613
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: for money and I gave him as I gave him

614
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: amount that felt fair because I was like, Okay, if

615
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I don't get this back, I'll just know that this

616
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: was like I went to the casino and gambled it.

617
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: But also it's low enough that they should be able

618
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: to pay me back. Yeah, But I think that's I

619
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: think is if you go into alone knowing that there's

620
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, at least a fifty chance that this person

621
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: isn't gonna pay you back, and it's something you can

622
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: still do, then do it. But what I'm confused about

623
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: is he would I mean, one his messages to these

624
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: women like first to be like I love you thinking

625
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: about your thinking, and then he was like die give

626
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: me the money, like you can tell if somebody has

627
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: that relationship around the money, things aren't good. No, he's

628
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: a megalomaniac. But my my original question still stay on

629
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: is it illegal? Like is it actually a crime If

630
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: you don't have anything in writing and you just say,

631
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: hey canumbar some money and then you don't that person back,

632
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: is at a crime? I mean, I don't think so.

633
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean because in the documentary they're like, in a way,

634
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: it's the perfect scam because half of it isn't technically illegal.

635
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Speaker 1: He's just a piece of ship. And the other thing

636
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Speaker 1: that's interesting is that it's like you don't want this

637
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Speaker 1: person just out there hurting people, and you want the

638
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: knowledge to be out there that this is. It's like

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Speaker 1: he has a wanted poster, but for what you know.

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00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, because he used multiple identities. Sure, did

641
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Speaker 1: he cheat on women? Yes? Is at a crime? No?

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Speaker 1: Did he take women's money um, promised to give it

643
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Speaker 1: back and didn't yes, is at a crime no? So

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Speaker 1: in a couple of ways, it's like that's why he's

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Speaker 1: not in jail, because I mean they there's fraud and

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Speaker 1: there's no But listen, it says sentenced to fifteen months

647
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Speaker 1: in Israel for other crimes, but only served five months.

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Speaker 1: He has not been arrested any charges of defrauding and

649
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Speaker 1: it's still a free man and appears to not have

650
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: any financial troubles. Yeah, and he was selling business courses online.

651
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: Apparently he just walks around Jerusalem like nothing ever happened.

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Speaker 1: But also I think I mentioned at the beginning. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if that's still in here, but they he

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Speaker 1: wants he wants to do an hour and a half

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00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: documentary that will come out about his side of the story.

656
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: And there's already one hour an hour and a half

657
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: exclusive interview just in Israel, and can they please release

658
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: it to everywhere we need to see it. Also, just

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Speaker 1: a little update, the go fund Me for the ladies

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Speaker 1: is up to a hundred and thirty four point five

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Speaker 1: UK pounds, So if you have deep pockets and you

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00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: are upset about what you witnessed, I am um. I'm

663
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: very upset about what happened to these women. I find

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Speaker 1: it despicable and disgusting. Make sure to go find the

665
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: go fund me. You can find their instagrams or just

666
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: look up the go fund me and send them a

667
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: couple of pounds. And if you're one of the one

668
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Speaker 1: point two million people that already follow Simon's new Instagram account,

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Speaker 1: send me a damn because I need to understand. I

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00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: thought it was at one point five. I think it's

671
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Speaker 1: one point too, but who knows. I mean, I was

672
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: so busy checking how many followers you had, I might

673
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: have gotten lost. But this Simon and It went up

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Speaker 1: a question though, you said he wants to tell his

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00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: side of the story. What could in your opinion, what

676
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: could that be? Like, what does he think he could

677
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: go out and say that would be Oh, now I

678
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: see his side of the the stories. See why he did this.

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00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: The thing is that he is smart, So I know,

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00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: who concoct something that will make us he'll gaslight all

681
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: of us. But I don't know, I don't know. I

682
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: think what he's going to try to say is like

683
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: they wanted to give me this money. It's up to that.

684
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: They were in love with me, they wanted to live

685
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: this lifestyle. They knew that I was conning other women

686
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: to be able to fund their lifestyle, so it was

687
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: all just a trickle down effect. Like in my opinion,

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00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: that's what he would do. Also, I mean, I'm just

689
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: curious how many at one time, like at some point

690
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: you have to be cute in prior to him asking

691
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: for money that things are askew right, I mean, how

692
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: like have you ever gone and like taken videos of

693
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollar apartments and like they're they're not. The

694
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: person you're doing it with isn't even there. He's so busy,

695
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: it's so crazy because I dated a guy like this

696
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: once and I was triggered the entire time I watched

697
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: this show movie the entire time. I also, I also

698
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: want to say, I think that he'll try to swing

699
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: the public opinion and that he'll make a play for

700
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: sympathy points and say that he had some sort of

701
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: like very dysfunctional childhood and that he was mistreated, and

702
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't know if you guys

703
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: remember this part in the documentary, but they found his

704
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: mom's apartment and she's basically living in a destitute area

705
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: and he was. But also, so I dated this guy,

706
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and you know it's crazy. Oh. I blocked him and

707
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: never spoke to him again, and then one day I

708
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: got a notification from the pattern, you know, the app

709
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: that has your zodiac attached to it and tells he

710
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: was gonna happen. So I got a notification that says

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00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: you will be visited by someone from your past, and

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00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: I literally just said my ex's name out loud, and

713
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh my god, I'm going to

714
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: see him today. Three years later, after blocking him, never

715
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: talking to him again, I ran into him on the

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00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: street with his new girlfriend, l A and and when

717
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: I said his name out loud, I knew exactly where

718
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: I was going to see him too, that's the crazy part.

719
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: And I walked past him. I don't see him, I

720
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: just hear Leah and I turned and it's him, and

721
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: he gave me this big hug and then he starts

722
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: whispering in my ear so she can't hear, and he's

723
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: trying to be like, I'm so sorry about I was like,

724
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: now's not the time. And then it was probably afraid

725
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: you were gonna like, oh yeah, out him in front

726
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: of his girl. He probably he saw me. I don't

727
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: even know why he said my name. Honestly, I think

728
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: he's he couldn't help himself. He had to see if

729
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, you were smiled or you look happy or

730
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: whatever it was, because that's how narcissistic people are. Yeah,

731
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: And it was with this like very young, very young,

732
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: very very I mean she was like Epstein Island young

733
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: fetus and and I mean it was it was like

734
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: inappropriate looking young. And I was like, yeah, I was

735
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: a standing up comedian. I actually got to go I

736
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: have a show right now. And she's like, you're a comedian.

737
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: You're such a queen. Oh my god, and I was like,

738
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: this is like, I have a few more minutes, go ahead,

739
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We have to take a quick little

740
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: break and then we'll do a final our final thoughts

741
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: on the Tenders. Guys, now that we're back, I know

742
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: we're running out of time, but I do we do

743
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: have to cover one thing that we have not covered yet.

744
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: It was me talking about how I would lend my

745
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend money to pay his rent. Uh no, but

746
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: not shocking, and while I watched on other girls's Instagram

747
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: stories that he was dating them. Sorry, go on, Well

748
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: that Tender has officially banned Simon in all his affiliate accounts. Yeah. Correct,

749
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: But I here's the thing. Listen, I never, I you know,

750
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: got married to my husband before dating on apps became

751
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: a thing. But if somebody is can assistantly sounding too

752
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: good to be true most of the time they are,

753
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: and then if they're too good to be true, true,

754
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: and then they ask you for money, run, run Run

755
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 1: is the moral of the story. That is the moral

756
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: of the Tender Swindler story. Which, speaking of scammers, do

757
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: you guys think that next week we could discuss um

758
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: inventing Anna? But we have to also just want to

759
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: let you know. Sis. If he's on a private jet

760
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: but asking you for money, red flag something and check

761
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: your check your time stamps, never give your credit card

762
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: information out. And if you buys five Gucci sweaters for

763
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: him stuff and then takes you to the Tzara sales

764
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: rack by Also if you don't got the ring yet, girl,

765
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: we're not loaning money, not just that. If you don't

766
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: have the ring. Also you even if you get the ring,

767
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: go check it to make sure it's real, especially if

768
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: it's a tender swindler, because especially if it's a diamond

769
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: diamond from his You know, by the way, if I

770
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: was the guy that owned all that, if I was

771
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: whoever the uncle, I'd be ticked off he was tainting

772
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: his dad's name. Well he's not not dad's name. It's

773
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: not not dads But I mean that's if you become

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00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: Liam mellancampbari off and start hustling me. Better delete that profile.

775
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: How did she get onto me? Let me for did

776
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: you tell Teddy about it to the wrong email? One bit?

777
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: But because I've missed it so much? Are you going

778
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: to sing our song before? My god? You know? I

779
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: am you guys, I know that this is really important

780
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: to you and leaving voicemails is your passion in life.

781
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: So we give you the opportunity to all the time.

782
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: And it's just a little reminder. You can call us

783
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: and leave a message about a crime you think we

784
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: should into, about a crime you're considering committing. And by that,

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00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: I mean, please don't leave that voicemail on our We

786
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: don't want that the responsibility. We're not actually the law

787
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: were not. I mean we seem very powerful, and we are,

788
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: but just with microphones. So call us, leave us a voicemail.

789
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: You can leave us a voicemail at eight six six

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00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: one crime. That's eight six six to anyone, Come, eight

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00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: six six to anyone. Come. That's eight six six two

792
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: and two seven four six three. We love you so much.

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00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: Welcome home, Teddy. We missed you, guys. Catch up on

794
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: all the other previous episodes, and we'll see you next week.

795
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 1: We love you. Stay safe, goodbye, be careful of tender bye.

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00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: It's real time rad real time rad. I mean, is

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00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: it actually real time time? Anything? Is just the thing

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00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: we say, it's a thing. We say, got it? Okay,

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Speaker 1: see you next week for more real time crime only

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Speaker 1: on I horror radio,