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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number sixty seven. Welcome
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Speaker 1: like the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys, and I
Speaker 1: got my crew back. Nick Eatman, you've been with me
Speaker 1: the last few days. But Brian's back, Amber's back. Where
Speaker 1: was Brian? I was? I was sick Monday, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm better, much better, much better. Yeah, let me back.
Speaker 1: Last night I was like, let's up here. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: And then I had to go to the other end
Speaker 1: of the earth to do a show yesterday. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: If I make Terry would have let me brow borrow
Speaker 1: the helicopter. I could have pulled this thing off. But
Speaker 1: I had to I had to go and do my
Speaker 1: radio show and outside of four Worlds, so it was
Speaker 1: kind of hard to transfer back and forth. But I'm
Speaker 1: happy to be back talking about the Packers. Look, you
Speaker 1: look like you got a little tan, do I I
Speaker 1: haven't had time to look in them. You've been beach vacation.
Speaker 1: It was great. Did not want to come back, but
Speaker 1: m yeah, I'm trying to catch up when everything this morning.
Speaker 1: Then I see Odell Beckham Junior. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, that's the topic. Oh yeah, I'm sure your
Speaker 1: email has been blowing up since you've been gone. But clarify,
Speaker 1: you didn't see Odell Beckham Junior. Not here. No on
Speaker 1: the email. I was just about to tweet that don't
Speaker 1: get here. It wasn't like a company email where they're
Speaker 1: like not related to emails. I was talking about the
Speaker 1: website and everything that's going to clift because because people
Speaker 1: are asking when when is he coming? And you got
Speaker 1: some answers, Um, you're the beat reporter. What you got
Speaker 1: I've got that. They're interested there, they should be. They
Speaker 1: need a receiver. Help, he's he's going to be available.
Speaker 1: Jerry loves this kind of move. They've been you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get guys. They apparently tried to trade for
Speaker 1: some and they didn't work out, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I mean, here's a here's a I just think it's
Speaker 1: a tricky situation. I said this on the radio this morning,
Speaker 1: one five three. I said, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: more decisions you have to make here. This isn't a
Speaker 1: come help us win these games, can get us to
Speaker 1: the playoffs and super Bowl. Maybe like this, he wants
Speaker 1: a multi year deal he wants and then what I
Speaker 1: think happened has to happen is it forces you to
Speaker 1: make decisions on other players that you're not ready to make.
Speaker 1: They're not ready to make a decision on Cedee Lamb
Speaker 1: long term and all that. They're not ready to make
Speaker 1: some on Pollard and Digs and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're not going to keep these guys,
Speaker 1: but they have to figure once you bring him in
Speaker 1: for this price whatever it's going to be, that kind
Speaker 1: of sets the bar for all, right, well, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna be CD and all this kind of other stuff.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's a little tricky on how
Speaker 1: to maneuver. I think he might get to a point
Speaker 1: in time where he would just take the hired gun
Speaker 1: approach because because if he doesn't, you know, if he
Speaker 1: comes back and plays well and doesn't sign a long
Speaker 1: term deal here with say with Dallas or anybody, then
Speaker 1: now he's proven to people piece back he could play.
Speaker 1: Now he can go and determine and get money. I
Speaker 1: think that's where people right now. I've talked to a
Speaker 1: lot of trainers and stuff around the league, doctors, people
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, listen, what you know they're they're wondering.
Speaker 1: Everybody is pushing all the chips to the middle of
Speaker 1: the table, and the doctors and trainers around the league
Speaker 1: that are these teams that they're talking about, whether it's Buffalo,
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Dallas, whoever, they're all going, we haven't seen
Speaker 1: this guy's knee. We can't tell you. I can't tell
Speaker 1: you if he's going to be you know, it started
Speaker 1: off initially that he was going to be back in November,
Speaker 1: and then you get a guy like Jake Glazer who
Speaker 1: says the other day on a Fox pregame show, who
Speaker 1: goes he's back fully ready to go, And then then
Speaker 1: you have Ian Rappaport said, wait, a minute. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna be ready to December. So the problem you're running
Speaker 1: into right now is it's somewhere in between. But these
Speaker 1: trainers and doctors are all saying, I can't tell you
Speaker 1: if he's going to be available when until I see
Speaker 1: his knee, you know. And the fact that he went
Speaker 1: from a November date of ready to go Jake Glazer
Speaker 1: to a December Ian rappaport, that right there shows you
Speaker 1: just how much I mean, I think we're all trying
Speaker 1: to be really quick about pushing in. I will say
Speaker 1: this about the Cowboys, the fact that they went after
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks and we're willing to give up a second
Speaker 1: round pick and potentially pay that money that eighteen million.
Speaker 1: They're looking, they're looking. This is not a you know,
Speaker 1: because I was talking to people on both sides of
Speaker 1: the fence on that one, and there's a lot of like,
Speaker 1: go ask that other guy why he didn't do this,
Speaker 1: Go ask that guy why he didn't do this, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So they were they were trying
Speaker 1: to hunt a receiver like Nick was asking him to do.
Speaker 1: This is absolutely one of the things that I hate
Speaker 1: the most about football is the business side of it
Speaker 1: that it's not such a simple decision like just do it,
Speaker 1: you know, sign him. People on Twitter you know that
Speaker 1: when I, oh, why haven't you signed him already? And
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, but then you have to look
Speaker 1: at all those different factors and not just about the
Speaker 1: money and the player that you're looking to sign, but also,
Speaker 1: like Nick mentioned, the rest of the wide receiver groups,
Speaker 1: what you're doing not even for next year, but for
Speaker 1: future years. So that is I think he has to
Speaker 1: prove he can play. And that's yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: I think he has to prove. Nobody's going to give
Speaker 1: a long term deal for a player at thirty years old.
Speaker 1: They're not going to give him a three to four
Speaker 1: year deal if he's not shown the ability that he
Speaker 1: can play. And see that's where that's where he holds
Speaker 1: the cards. This reminds me. I hate to compare these
Speaker 1: two guys. It reminds me of Jalen Smith. Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: got the Cowboys before they could get him. He got
Speaker 1: a new deal and hold on, I can hear him.
Speaker 1: I got to hear myself. He got a new deal
Speaker 1: and before everyone really realized he's not going to be
Speaker 1: himself again, he can't do that. It looked like he
Speaker 1: was gonna do that, so it look like he was
Speaker 1: going to be a pro bowler and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, which he was a pro bowler. But then
Speaker 1: once he kind of figured this out, like all right,
Speaker 1: he's not worth the money, but he got paid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think O'Dell's got to figure out all right.
Speaker 1: But if I go out limp around not really ready
Speaker 1: got to learn a new system, I get a couple
Speaker 1: of games with no targets, no catches, and now that's
Speaker 1: got to be the money. That's got to be what
Speaker 1: is on tape for people to pay No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I've already proven myself. Pay me now, multi year deal now,
Speaker 1: and then I might ease into it this year and
Speaker 1: then next year rehab and all that. So I think
Speaker 1: he's got to be he's gonna try to get who's
Speaker 1: gonna give me the most money? Now. I don't want
Speaker 1: to prove myself anymore, already proved, and the reports are
Speaker 1: saying he wants a multi year deal, and and for me,
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't know if I if I
Speaker 1: can't get Oldell Beckham. I said this on the show
Speaker 1: earlier this week. If I can't get Odell Beckham that
Speaker 1: I'm used to seeing for this year, then it's not
Speaker 1: worth it to me because if I'm looking at next year,
Speaker 1: I'd rather go with a younger option. I'd rather go
Speaker 1: out there and if I'm gonna spend the money, go
Speaker 1: get a guy who's younger and coming up that I
Speaker 1: can can maybe get to a bigger deal. Can you
Speaker 1: always like struct your deals in a way where you
Speaker 1: know whether or not you meet a certain decentives type
Speaker 1: of stuff, because that's the type of deal that wouldn't
Speaker 1: you do or try to make with a player like that.
Speaker 1: But then on his end, he doesn't want to have
Speaker 1: to earn the right right right, But I mean and
Speaker 1: also depends. I guess I was going to ask you
Speaker 1: guys too, because we know there are interests of other
Speaker 1: teams as well. But in a situation like this, you
Speaker 1: look at the player and they also have more you know,
Speaker 1: you whether you go for the money or you go
Speaker 1: for money, plus the type of team that you feel
Speaker 1: that would fit better for you, and what you're looking
Speaker 1: for out of those like teams are kind of part
Speaker 1: of the conversations if you were a adele, like which
Speaker 1: teams are you kind of well think about interested in
Speaker 1: Kansas Kansas City also makes sense. And I've heard, of
Speaker 1: course that that's the one that that's in the discount
Speaker 1: the Giants can going back to the Giants. True. But
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, if Kansas City probably
Speaker 1: answers all the questions, he would go in there and
Speaker 1: be among the best receivers on their team. If he's
Speaker 1: Odell that we know right, he would go into a
Speaker 1: team that you would think has is an odds on
Speaker 1: favorite to be in the super Bowl. He's going in
Speaker 1: to play with the best quarterback in the league. So
Speaker 1: a lot of checks go in the Kansas City boxes.
Speaker 1: If you're Odell and you're trying to think, like I
Speaker 1: got multiple options, Kansas City's one of them. If the
Speaker 1: money matches up, I think that that would be one
Speaker 1: that he'd probably be very very interesting. I would be
Speaker 1: if I were him. I'll tell you that the path
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl is probably a little tougher for
Speaker 1: Kansas City than it is for anybody in the NFC. Though,
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about Dallas or San Franciscans happening with
Speaker 1: that elbow in Buffalo, yeah, it's gonna happen. No, that's
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. But the thing of the
Speaker 1: thing that's I'll say this about Beckham. He does stuff
Speaker 1: that is. Stuff he does that your guys can't do.
Speaker 1: He'll go snatch that football. Yeah, he will go be
Speaker 1: a bad boy. He will be a bad ball catcher.
Speaker 1: He will if it's his catch radius is huge. You know,
Speaker 1: we talk about slants and balls behind or across the middle,
Speaker 1: and they're high or they're too low. That son of
Speaker 1: a gun might not be what he once was, but
Speaker 1: those hands have not changed. I mean he will go
Speaker 1: get that. He is one most competitive son of a
Speaker 1: guns I've ever seen in my life when it goes
Speaker 1: to going to get that football. So that being said,
Speaker 1: and I'll go around the table when everybody give me
Speaker 1: an answer, Yes, multi year deal for Oldell Beckham? Are
Speaker 1: you in again? I said that. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: black and white. It's harder. I know you're trying to
Speaker 1: get that quick answer. But for how much? I yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: we all deserve it. These fans that are listening to
Speaker 1: deserve yes, let's go do it. Let's go do it.
Speaker 1: Push your chips in right, We'll spend we'll spend their money.
Speaker 1: I mean again, I trust that they will figure out
Speaker 1: a way. They had money carrying over from salary caps
Speaker 1: and stuff. They've they've got things that they've got to do.
Speaker 1: They've got to figure out with what CD, They've got
Speaker 1: to figure out digs, they've got to figure out all
Speaker 1: these things that they've got to figure out. Terrence Steel
Speaker 1: maybe at right Tackle and Steel. You know, they've got
Speaker 1: to figure out a lot of things. And so to me,
Speaker 1: they're trying real quick. They're trying. I think they're trying
Speaker 1: to get Terrence Steel, like, let's sign this up in
Speaker 1: his agent. He's got a good agent. His agents like, nah,
Speaker 1: thank you, now, well we'll play this thing. We'll play
Speaker 1: this thing out. Like they're already trying to get this
Speaker 1: thing locked up. But nah, that Terrence Steele is gonna
Speaker 1: be that's gonna be an issue here as well. He's
Speaker 1: another guy in there there. They're screwed next year. They're
Speaker 1: screwed in the salary cap. But that's next year. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like the Rams are screwed. Yeah, Rams are like,
Speaker 1: we're screwed next year. Hey, everybody, thanks for coming out
Speaker 1: to the parade. We're screwed on the cap next year.
Speaker 1: But this is fun. Look, if you're screwed, then why
Speaker 1: not push all the chips saying like this, it might
Speaker 1: be the time to push off. Well, that's why I
Speaker 1: think they went for Cooks. You know, they were willing
Speaker 1: to say we'll part with to get this team to
Speaker 1: part with a draft pick. No, they're not interested in that.
Speaker 1: They love to draft here and with good reason. They
Speaker 1: love to draft. Do it pretty well. They do it
Speaker 1: pretty well. And see, that's your hope. That's your hope
Speaker 1: if you're a Cowboy fan. If you push the chips
Speaker 1: and it doesn't work, it at least you got the draft.
Speaker 1: You know, the Rams don't have that or like them,
Speaker 1: have them picks. T shirts aren't selling here. Yeah they're
Speaker 1: selling in LA, but they're not selling here. I'm laughing
Speaker 1: inside because oh yeah they draft great and yeah, at
Speaker 1: least you got the draft. And sorry, Brian, I know
Speaker 1: you're I mean you're working yeah why not? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I because yes, they draft good. You see so
Speaker 1: many talented players, But then what do you do with them?
Speaker 1: How far do you get a better We have to
Speaker 1: replace him? Okay, you know, like that's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: coaching has gotten better, and I know I've been super critical.
Speaker 1: I mean I gave Mike McCarthy a Coach to the
Speaker 1: Year vote the other day. You know I really did.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, hey, nobody has been harder on Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy than me about him as a coach and what
Speaker 1: he's been able to do. I feel like if you
Speaker 1: do keep drafting that this. I trust Dan Quinn, I trust,
Speaker 1: I trust Joe Wit. You know, I'm starting to trust
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. You know, so as long as you let
Speaker 1: me keep adding players and you don't give all my
Speaker 1: picks away, I feel like I always got a chance
Speaker 1: to bring our young players in to make up for
Speaker 1: those cap hits, I'm probably gonna have to take messing up. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I know we have to go to break, but real quick,
Speaker 1: it's just again, we know no team is ever going
Speaker 1: to be the same year after year. It's gonna change.
Speaker 1: And then we're looking at draft guys that come in
Speaker 1: here and we gotta see, Okay, how long are is
Speaker 1: it gonna take for those guys to develop? Jalen Tolber
Speaker 1: an example, we were thinking he was gonna be explosive,
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be relevant this year. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been so sound logical over there. Okay, okay, anyways, let's
Speaker 1: just go to break No, no, you're good. But that's
Speaker 1: my point. It's like, at one point you have to
Speaker 1: be all in. You can't be wasting the guys that
Speaker 1: you have right now, the defense, the way that they're playing, like,
Speaker 1: let's just effort go all this year. Third, if i've
Speaker 1: heard of them now. Fourth, i've heard on this show
Speaker 1: today there was Nick. Oh, dang, that's the move today? Then?
Speaker 1: Is that? I mean, take a deal? I already see
Speaker 1: it coming down. Do not make that the title of
Speaker 1: this episode. It's on the website. William up the right way?
Speaker 1: All right, we do have to go to breakfast before
Speaker 1: we do. Real quick, Nick, give me some injury updates obviously,
Speaker 1: Sam Williams, Malu Molle Cooker look like they're back. They
Speaker 1: able to practice. What's going on with Zeke and Anthony
Speaker 1: barr Um McCarthy, the head coach of the team, says
Speaker 1: he's the wrong person to ask, but he's the only
Speaker 1: person we get to ask. But he says, Zeke tells
Speaker 1: him he's fine. Uh, And basically, you know, Zeke says
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. They'll they'll, they'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna practice today, but I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: ramp this thing up. I would imagine I'm leaning towards
Speaker 1: he would play. Um, you know, you miss a game
Speaker 1: and then the guy goes for one thirty and three touchdowns,
Speaker 1: that mean your knee feels a little bit better. So,
Speaker 1: especially if a bye week, I think I'll be back. Um,
Speaker 1: James Washington, they were gonna hold him, they were going
Speaker 1: to start his window this week, and now they're not. Um,
Speaker 1: and he went into an X the wonky practice. So
Speaker 1: I just talking about and the way I took it.
Speaker 1: Tell me if you if this makes sense to you,
Speaker 1: The way I took it was, you're going to get
Speaker 1: into this week where you get into this this Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: time of the year, and during Thanksgiving obviously you had
Speaker 1: that week. You have so few practices. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if it changes anything from the NFL's perspective on
Speaker 1: the time that you didn't have that twenty one day window. Right,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't, I wasn't following. I mean, I
Speaker 1: understan he said next week was a different week. I
Speaker 1: don't understand in the week after even understand the Thursday
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day and basically they don't want to start at
Speaker 1: the twenty one day window when you have that weird
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week in there. But that would be the third week.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not sure what's happening with with that.
Speaker 1: With Washington's he says he's very, very close. That's what
Speaker 1: McCarthy says. I mean McCarthy, I mean Washington says he's ready.
Speaker 1: And then Anthony Barr not practicing today, limiting him again,
Speaker 1: Like we said, I would amat he if he doesn't
Speaker 1: play this game. He's not missing Minnesota. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: don't want him miss Minnesota, as you said yesterday. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want him. If he's got any pent up,
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Speaker 1: offense versus the Dallas defense. Brian, let's start where we
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Speaker 1: do well for Green Bay? Well we haven't. Oh, thank
Speaker 1: you very much. I think I figured out when this
Speaker 1: team became broken. Oh when I wish they would know
Speaker 1: that they want a super Bowl when I left, they
Speaker 1: figured it out after like, get rid of this guy
Speaker 1: will be great. Um, I was watching went back and
Speaker 1: watched the Giants game. On defense, they got a Rashul
Speaker 1: Douglas got a like a they got a sack and
Speaker 1: then a defensive holding penalty, and from that point on
Speaker 1: things started have been falling going downhill ever since. For
Speaker 1: the Screen Bay Packers. I mean seriously, you watched they
Speaker 1: were up seventeen to three on the Giants, and all
Speaker 1: I mean they got they they were just rolling and
Speaker 1: they got a defensive holding plane. All from that point on,
Speaker 1: every game seems to be that they were three and one.
Speaker 1: At the time, it was the London game and one.
Speaker 1: Both teams were three. Yeah, and Rashul Douglas got a
Speaker 1: got a defensive holding penalty off a sack and from
Speaker 1: that point on the game went south for Green Band
Speaker 1: and they haven't won. The haven't won since. I think
Speaker 1: I figured out the point that the Packers actually broke
Speaker 1: so cut little Douglas. Yeah, well, you know, but we'll
Speaker 1: get to him tomorrow if he's healthy. Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the deal about this this Green Bay offense, and we
Speaker 1: all listen. You don't need me to tell you about
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Okay, to me personally watching him play, his
Speaker 1: mechanics look really, really bad. You know, He's always been
Speaker 1: a guy that kind of throws it. He could throw
Speaker 1: it around you, he could throw it over the top
Speaker 1: of you. His accuracy of throwing the football in these
Speaker 1: games has just not been there at all. And a
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with pressure. But the
Speaker 1: problem with the Packers is their offensive lines all back together.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're having it. They have Zach Tom
Speaker 1: is a tackle guard they use. When he's in the game,
Speaker 1: they have problems. But Zack Tom hasn't been playing. He
Speaker 1: wasn't playing last week against the line. I mean, he
Speaker 1: you know, he does come in for a couple of plays.
Speaker 1: David Baktiar kind of goes on and off, so they're
Speaker 1: kind of if he left Hackle at times. But this
Speaker 1: offensive line, I'll say this, and I think this is
Speaker 1: what's going to happen in this football game. Their best
Speaker 1: play running the football is the toss sweep. That's what
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. They are going to challenge you. And
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of inside fakes,
Speaker 1: it's it's play action, a lot of that. You know
Speaker 1: Rogers play action then, but the toss sweep, this is
Speaker 1: the play that terrifies me. With the screen Bay Packer offense,
Speaker 1: and I still feel with Aaron Jones AJ Dillon they
Speaker 1: can still run the football. That is going to be
Speaker 1: You just better get ready because they are going to
Speaker 1: challenge you to stop them from running this football in
Speaker 1: this game. They are not going to let you collapse
Speaker 1: the pocket and make Aaron Rodgers look bad in this game.
Speaker 1: You know, I just don't see I mean, if it
Speaker 1: turns into a passing game. The Packers offensive line, even
Speaker 1: though it's all their starters, they've given up pressure. But
Speaker 1: when the ball I watched the I watched the Giants game.
Speaker 1: I watched him against Buffalo. I watched them against the Lions.
Speaker 1: The toss sweeps their best play when it comes to
Speaker 1: running the football because it gets these backs going downhill
Speaker 1: in a hurry. You think, like you said that, his
Speaker 1: mechanics don't look good. No, Like if you look at
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Josh Allen and some of those guys, and
Speaker 1: their mechanics don't look I mean, because then they throw
Speaker 1: it different ways. Do you think he's just lost lost?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he's forty, you know, he's probably he's
Speaker 1: got to lose something. But it's when you watch him play,
Speaker 1: it's like his given simeter is kind of got real
Speaker 1: low right now, Like he looks over at you know,
Speaker 1: he looks over at the bench like what what you know? What?
Speaker 1: You know he made throws in that you know, tipall
Speaker 1: the interceptions in the Lions game that last week. They
Speaker 1: they got the Lions beat. They absolutely got the Lions
Speaker 1: beating this football. They get down the red zone, they
Speaker 1: drive the ball, great try, I mean the first drive
Speaker 1: of the game, they just march it, and what happens
Speaker 1: he throws an interception, I mean, ball gets knocked off
Speaker 1: a helmet gets and you know the way that he's
Speaker 1: throwing the ball, the trajectory that he's throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, early in the season against the Giants, like
Speaker 1: I would say the ball was going down the field.
Speaker 1: You don't see that anymore with this guy. And I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what you gotta with these receivers Watkins, h
Speaker 1: you know, Dobbs, those Watson, Lazard. You gotta fight to
Speaker 1: the bitter end with these guys when it comes to
Speaker 1: playing pass defense. Because if you if you, if you're
Speaker 1: fighting with them down the field and they've got the
Speaker 1: ball in hand, keep ripping, keep ripping, keep ripping at
Speaker 1: the ball. These guys will put the ball on the
Speaker 1: ground because they don't always secure the ball. And that's
Speaker 1: a big problem they've had. He's made some throws where
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to finish the play. So if
Speaker 1: you're a Cowboys secondary, if you're a defender, don't let
Speaker 1: them finish. Take them all the way to the ground
Speaker 1: and keep ripping at the ball because they'll put the
Speaker 1: ball on the ground is what they'll do. I mean
Speaker 1: they'll be they'll be income complete passes because these guys
Speaker 1: struggle to finish. That's been a big issue for them.
Speaker 1: But Rogers, you know what's gonna happen. He looks, He's
Speaker 1: looked bad the last He's not gonna look bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just get ready. He's not gonna look bad. Give a
Speaker 1: crap meter. Yeah he might. You know, he might not
Speaker 1: want to care about losing to the Lions. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he doesn't care. He's throwing chairs around, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, um, that's not gonna happen against McCarthy coming in.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get their best. I don't know how good
Speaker 1: their best is, but you're gonna get it. They lose
Speaker 1: this game to Dallas. There's people already up there like
Speaker 1: Leroy Butler, guys that we had in Green Bay. They're
Speaker 1: saying Gowen and played Jordan Love seasons lost. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: and you know, just take Aaron, just don't play him anymore,
Speaker 1: you know, play for the draft picks, do that stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this I thought that they were gonna beat
Speaker 1: the Lions and then the Cowboy game would be for
Speaker 1: them to get back to five and five. That's why
Speaker 1: I thought this thing. I still think this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a really difficult game, but you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: deal with these backs coming downhill, keep and I on
Speaker 1: the toss sweep stuff. I think that's their best play,
Speaker 1: the stuff where they're able to just toss the ball,
Speaker 1: get movement up front, and just run it down hill
Speaker 1: as fast as they can. Fight with these set fight
Speaker 1: with these receivers, they will they will drop the ball
Speaker 1: if you continue to fight with them, and then get
Speaker 1: as much you know, get around Rogers as you can,
Speaker 1: as quickly as you can, because the quicker it happens.
Speaker 1: It happened in the Buffalo game, they got on him quick,
Speaker 1: and he'll just go down. You know, he's not going
Speaker 1: to sit there and and fight for you know, to
Speaker 1: take a hit or something like that. So it's I
Speaker 1: still think it's it's still an offense that hasn't scored
Speaker 1: a lot of points, and it's again, this is not
Speaker 1: going to be an easy game. It's just not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's what I was looking at at all the
Speaker 1: games they've played so far and the highest um scoring
Speaker 1: game the two that they've won. One was against the
Speaker 1: Patriots and the other one against the Bears. Patriots didn't
Speaker 1: have their quarterback, they lost Mac Jones during the game,
Speaker 1: and they almost they should have lost the game, and
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, before they went to overtime,
Speaker 1: you know, they just they didn't. It was a missta
Speaker 1: I think it was a missfield goal there that messed
Speaker 1: him up there. But yeah, well the most pot they've
Speaker 1: score is twenty seven points in those victories and looking
Speaker 1: at the rest, I mean, the pretty low scoring games
Speaker 1: for them, and just kind of going back to what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense has been doing all year, it seems like,
Speaker 1: and I get it, like sometimes he's the type of
Speaker 1: player that even in the fourth quarter he'll keep it
Speaker 1: in and like make a big play or something, especially
Speaker 1: against the Cowboys. But looking at the way the Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense has been playing, it seems like it's very much
Speaker 1: doable to keep them like contain him and then just
Speaker 1: leave it up too. It's gonna come down to how
Speaker 1: well offense. This game is gonna come down to how
Speaker 1: well you defend the run, because if you do not
Speaker 1: defend the run in this game, he's They're just gonna
Speaker 1: keep running it. They're gonna keep they'll keep the score low.
Speaker 1: They don't care, They'll keep they don't want their quarterback
Speaker 1: to get hit. That's the thing about it is the
Speaker 1: pressure they don't want him to have to face pressure.
Speaker 1: And if they if they have success running the ball,
Speaker 1: I see no reason why not to just keep going
Speaker 1: at it, you know, because that's how they the first
Speaker 1: drive of the game. I mean to try. I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a mix of run pass, run pass, run,
Speaker 1: pack and they get down there and they try instead
Speaker 1: of running the ball in, they try and throw. And
Speaker 1: what he did, he says, he threw two red zone
Speaker 1: interceptions last week, you know, and then and then another
Speaker 1: one after they got a turnover. Alexander gets a turnover,
Speaker 1: and then he throws another interception going back trying to
Speaker 1: fit the ball inside to Tonyon to tight end. But
Speaker 1: to me, I just the thing that would worry me
Speaker 1: if I'm a Cowboys, you know, is you better get
Speaker 1: off blocks and you better be in position to make
Speaker 1: tackles because the ball is going to come down hill
Speaker 1: each And we've talked about the Lions and people like that,
Speaker 1: the Bears and how they run the football. Maybe your
Speaker 1: offense will put more points on and they can't come back.
Speaker 1: But the thing that would worry me the most about
Speaker 1: the Packers is that running game. All Right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: take our final. When we come back, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: these guys the question, what do the cow What does
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. Here's my question for you guys. We've talked
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers. He ain't right right now. Question is,
Speaker 1: how does the Dallas defense keep him from getting right
Speaker 1: because we know that traditionally Aaron Rodgers has had some
Speaker 1: moments with the Cowboys that have just killed them and
Speaker 1: kill fans more than anybody else. How do you make
Speaker 1: sure he doesn't get right this week? Well, they just
Speaker 1: made a move to add a defensive end. But it
Speaker 1: was not David Irving. That's that's what done it. David Irving,
Speaker 1: you know, knew how to stop him now. Not random.
Speaker 1: He's the last time you beat Green Bay was but
Speaker 1: he had the was the NFC Defensive Player of the Week.
Speaker 1: Plays didn't have Michael Parsons though he did not um.
Speaker 1: They signed Terrell Basham from injury injury reserve back to
Speaker 1: the roster activated him, So, um, does he get any
Speaker 1: playing time at this point? Like there's so many pass
Speaker 1: rushers on this team. Where does he fit? You know,
Speaker 1: bar may not play, you know, he's he's banged up,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know. They were rotating
Speaker 1: those defensive tackles until they moved on from Tristan Hill.
Speaker 1: They might do the same things with the defensive ends.
Speaker 1: You know, it might be, Hey, you're active this week
Speaker 1: and you're not. You're not active kind of Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of figure out, you know, if you're not, if
Speaker 1: you haven't played at all well enough, Sam Williams. You
Speaker 1: know I want them playing. I know you do. I know.
Speaker 1: But they're not better than Basham. Basham had a really
Speaker 1: good camp. They're not better than Basham. They got more
Speaker 1: I don't know than bash them. No, I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think I think I think
Speaker 1: Follows a better player than Basham. I don't. But that's okay.
Speaker 1: We've disagreed a couple of times before we do it sometimes, Brian,
Speaker 1: you watch tape at all? What are you dragging me
Speaker 1: into this one? Can you? I personally like Fowler my son?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Amber? You want to you want to time
Speaker 1: in here? I'm sorry, nick I that's why why did
Speaker 1: you insist on me saying that you know I should
Speaker 1: have learned all these years of working together that I
Speaker 1: didn't want to end the question because you didn't just
Speaker 1: jump out there with it. I did. I was trying
Speaker 1: to help you here. I thought you were gonna say both. No,
Speaker 1: you know me. I'll say this though, you know, but
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about the defensive line in this game.
Speaker 1: It will be whether it's Basham Fowler, you know, whoever's involved,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to You're gonna have to control this front.
Speaker 1: You just you know, the play action game is gonna
Speaker 1: be big, The running game is gonna be huge. I
Speaker 1: just don't you know, green Bay. You could say what
Speaker 1: you want. It's so hard for me to believe that
Speaker 1: Green Bay would lose six games in a row. It
Speaker 1: really And I'm not saying it because I used to
Speaker 1: work used I've worked at both places. You know, I
Speaker 1: grew up a Cowboys fan. So don't before you jump
Speaker 1: all over me about loving the Packers, don't. And I
Speaker 1: just I find it hard that a team that you watch,
Speaker 1: I mean every play that I was watching, I was going, man,
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be tough to stop. That's gonna okay
Speaker 1: what Oh he threw an interception on the next play?
Speaker 1: You know? Is that? Is that where we're gonna get
Speaker 1: from Aaron rod Rodgers? Is he stopping himself? You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is he? You know? Is this once this guy that
Speaker 1: never threw an interception? I mean in division games, I mean,
Speaker 1: he never throws an interception. Chicago Agreement. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: He didn't throw an interception. He threw three against Detroit
Speaker 1: last Is he the biggest problem with that offense right now?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't let's give the bulletin board material there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I'm just saying I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think so you know what there's there. He
Speaker 1: does not look like the same player. He just does
Speaker 1: not look like the same player. But but that's what
Speaker 1: scares me. He's got XFL receivers. I mean, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, now that's true, Like he doesn't have great
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think what this is. This
Speaker 1: is like des Bryant when he could just go out
Speaker 1: athlete people for for six seven years of his career.
Speaker 1: Then when he couldn't do that anymore and he had
Speaker 1: to run routes and beat people and he didn't do
Speaker 1: it all the time. And it's not the same. This
Speaker 1: is like you, Aaron Rodgers was so good. Whoever you
Speaker 1: put out there, you can have great. You know, he
Speaker 1: made Martel Bennet into a really good tight end. He
Speaker 1: was good tight end. But you know, like ye had
Speaker 1: a good year. Those guys, Jordy Nelson, I mean, Javon Walker,
Speaker 1: were they really good or was he you know James Jones,
Speaker 1: or was he making him good? Now that he's dropped
Speaker 1: off a little bit, he can't make these other guys
Speaker 1: better like he used to before. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: the biggest problem. I just don't think he elevates their
Speaker 1: game like he used to. No, that's that's fair. I
Speaker 1: mean that is absolutely fair. I there throws that he makes.
Speaker 1: I say, where you go? Wow? What you know he
Speaker 1: used to get away with things? Yeah, that's you used
Speaker 1: to you know you he used to get away and
Speaker 1: still the I mean he's gonna get rid of But
Speaker 1: there's times when there's like I saw routes the other night,
Speaker 1: where like guy's break inside and he never misses a route.
Speaker 1: He finds who your worst guy is, and he's always
Speaker 1: throwing the ball at the open guy. And there's several
Speaker 1: times where I'm watching it, I'm going, how do you
Speaker 1: not see that guy in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: How do you not? What? Whoa why is he throwing
Speaker 1: over here? And I that's where I think to me
Speaker 1: that he doesn't know these guys. He doesn't Sammy Walk
Speaker 1: and he dobbs Lazard Watson, he doesn't. Yeah, he's had
Speaker 1: you know, you look at it. Go back to the
Speaker 1: Giants game. Randall Cobb was playing in that game, and
Speaker 1: he's ripping the ball down the middle of the field
Speaker 1: to Randall Cop because he knows Randall Cop, he knows where.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, these guys now it's
Speaker 1: kind of like Lazard, I think is his best option
Speaker 1: to throw the ball to now that he doesn't have Cob.
Speaker 1: But to me, I would, I would, I would try
Speaker 1: and find a way to stop Lazard in this game.
Speaker 1: But I keep saying the running game, because I just
Speaker 1: when you when things are going bad, what do you do?
Speaker 1: Just load up and run the ball and just try
Speaker 1: and just wear them down. Don't let them don't let
Speaker 1: them rush the passer, wear them down having to defend
Speaker 1: the run. Let's go a little deeper on that passing game.
Speaker 1: As of the end of their last game, Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: left the seat, left the stadium in a walking boot.
Speaker 1: Don't know his status at this point. Obviously, they'll start
Speaker 1: practicing again today and then we may hear more. They
Speaker 1: did say that the X rays are negative. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: if he doesn't play, how much does that affect their ability?
Speaker 1: Because they do still have Dylan He's still a good
Speaker 1: running back, but Aaron Jones leads them in rushing by
Speaker 1: a sizeable amount. If you don't have Aaron Jones, how
Speaker 1: much does it affect their ability to do it? And
Speaker 1: particularly when you talk about that toss sweep, he's the speedier.
Speaker 1: He is the one so compasses that effect what they're
Speaker 1: able to do. Yeah, I think to me, then you
Speaker 1: take him out. That is all cowboy fans. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't play, you should cheer. You should just just yay,
Speaker 1: just give it a big cheer because he's the reason.
Speaker 1: Like say, the power they these two backs, Jones. You're right,
Speaker 1: Derek the speed with Aaron Jones. But but Dylan and
Speaker 1: Jones both have this power. You know, I can't sit
Speaker 1: there and tell you I know a lot about Kylin Hill,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he's the third back on the team.
Speaker 1: They have a practice squad back. You know that. You
Speaker 1: know they would obviously have to bring up they're not
Speaker 1: going to go in the game, which is two running backs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Aaron Jones, because they rotate these guys, and
Speaker 1: it's a light what we saw with Detroit. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit of that, you know, you
Speaker 1: get these back Chicago same way. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: they they've got these guys. But if Aaron Jones doesn't
Speaker 1: play because they use him on the screen stuff too.
Speaker 1: He's a great pass catcher, so that that that kills
Speaker 1: him in the in that in that aspect of it too.
Speaker 1: Really the complete back of in the game. It's funny
Speaker 1: when you look at you know that they face they
Speaker 1: didn't have to face swift, but they had the Cowboys
Speaker 1: swift for Detroit and the other back Williams, and then
Speaker 1: the Bears had two, and then you know the Packers
Speaker 1: have too. But you know, if the Cowboys try to
Speaker 1: play two, I mean, we got problems over here, like
Speaker 1: why why are everybody? Yeah, why can't which one? Is
Speaker 1: it gonna be like, you know, can't have Pollard and Zeke.
Speaker 1: But but every other place it's like they're better with two.
Speaker 1: And that's what the Cowboys and Skip Pete and McCarthy
Speaker 1: and even Zeke and Pollard are trying to say, like
Speaker 1: they're fine, you know. And so it's just funny how
Speaker 1: you the two back system is dangerous in Green Bay
Speaker 1: and all these other places. Traite won the game last
Speaker 1: week because swift play came back. Yeah, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: saying they were able to get Yeah exactly that he
Speaker 1: has three Yeah exactly, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Fields is not gonna be a thrower.
Speaker 1: He's going to be a problem for prediction right here.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's first loss will come to the Bears. Where's that
Speaker 1: game that it's the week It's the week before they
Speaker 1: play Dallas. It's the eighteenth of the December. Is it
Speaker 1: in Chicago? No, it's I believe it's in Philadelphia, but
Speaker 1: I think I was looking at schedule. I'll have to
Speaker 1: check that, but to me, it was the first. You
Speaker 1: think the next Chicago. It's at Chicago, Chicago. That's that's
Speaker 1: when you get the wind involved. You got that cold.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking if you're both teams are running for this
Speaker 1: weekend only because that's about the only thing I'm word.
Speaker 1: Weather's not bad. It'll be dark when it'll be dark
Speaker 1: when you get there, it'll be dark when you leave.
Speaker 1: But to be in the thirties in a November game
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, you feel free. It's a short ride
Speaker 1: of the airport that you'll be f Philly has three
Speaker 1: consecutive road games at New York at Chicago at Dallas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think their first loss will come against the Bears,
Speaker 1: and then Dallas will get him the next one. I
Speaker 1: don't I wouldn't be surprised about this week. Washington where home.
Speaker 1: I just commanders, Yeah, okay, commander, Wait when you say home,
Speaker 1: you stay home for Philly, home for Philly. And they
Speaker 1: blew out Washington on the road before. But I think
Speaker 1: Washington's playing different. I think this is the time of
Speaker 1: year where those division games kind of they kind of
Speaker 1: circle back, you know, Carson Wins kind of senator like, yeah,
Speaker 1: hanging out by himself over They're better without him, I think.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like how many times did the
Speaker 1: Cowboys just like roll through the Giants or Washington early
Speaker 1: in the year, and then you play him again in
Speaker 1: December and you're like, yeah, it would be ready for
Speaker 1: that one. That wouldn't surprise me at all. And I
Speaker 1: think Washington is going to play a huge factor in
Speaker 1: the in the division race because they are still playing well.
Speaker 1: Chase Young's coming back back this point. I don't know
Speaker 1: this week would be trying to save his job. They're
Speaker 1: selling a team. They'll they'll they'll play going on a
Speaker 1: lot of going on over there, Like the Giants and
Speaker 1: the Washington they're gonna play. They haven't played each other yet.
Speaker 1: I just think Washington's gonna play a factor in you know,
Speaker 1: because you said it the other day. If Washington would
Speaker 1: have won, all the NFC East teams would have been
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Which that's the season never ends in November.
Speaker 1: And that's why, because they are gonna play each other
Speaker 1: division records and they'll even itself out and push each
Speaker 1: other up or down. Yep, Hey, I real quick. I
Speaker 1: had one more question before the end of the show.
Speaker 1: We talked about Sammy Watkins just a bit, But do
Speaker 1: you think because I could see a scenario where when
Speaker 1: you have a quarterback like Aaron Rodgers and you don't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of great receivers, he is a
Speaker 1: Watkins is a guy that's a veteran receiver, highly touted
Speaker 1: coming into the NFL. I don't know they ever really
Speaker 1: reached the level that people expected of him, but he's
Speaker 1: at some moment a lot of people thought great of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do wonder if a guy like him can can
Speaker 1: be that guy for Aaron Rodgers that as the season
Speaker 1: wears on, he becomes more. He's only played three games
Speaker 1: this year so far because of injury. Does it As
Speaker 1: time goes on, they start developing a chemistry where Rodgers
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, I could use this guy. He at
Speaker 1: least understands the game like I understood. He sees the
Speaker 1: game like I do. That's a guy I would be
Speaker 1: a little bit worried about this week. What are you guys?
Speaker 1: I would say, Yes, I would say any receiver that's
Speaker 1: ever played a long career, it's probably had their best seasons.
Speaker 1: With Aaron Rodgers. I think that's what he does. And
Speaker 1: so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, he hasn't lived up to expectations.
Speaker 1: But he's one of those guys where it's like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of those arrogant gems and coaches that are like,
Speaker 1: I'll work, I can figure it out. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing and wherever, but give them to me.
Speaker 1: I saw him at Clemson. He was good. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean to me, it seems like just watching him to
Speaker 1: your point, I can't disagree. I just think right now
Speaker 1: it's he is so locked in on Alan Lazarre because
Speaker 1: he knows that Alan will go make plays for him.
Speaker 1: But like I said, you bet you battle him, you
Speaker 1: battle him, and he'll he'll put the ball in the ground.
Speaker 1: You just got to keep fighting him. Don't let him
Speaker 1: just take the ball and secure it. It's why Diggs
Speaker 1: I think should should chase him. I would because Digs
Speaker 1: will get some passes too, or he'll get his hands
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. And if that's the only guy you're
Speaker 1: locked into, yeah, then good luck. That's why you have
Speaker 1: an all pro corner. That's why he's gonna get the
Speaker 1: bag next year or two years, because he deserves it
Speaker 1: because not only as he's making plays and tackles, but
Speaker 1: he also locks up the best player forces you. If
Speaker 1: you want to go away from me, you're going away
Speaker 1: from your best player. And when you look at the
Speaker 1: plays that he does give up, I mean versus what
Speaker 1: he's doing for you, you take that all day. I
Speaker 1: mean sometimes there are maybe like a couple of plays
Speaker 1: a game, but it is what it is. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna win ut of your single battle. But Diggs is
Speaker 1: definitely a guy that can do that for sure, and
Speaker 1: he will get the ball and he's handed if not.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll get very close and you'll take every
Speaker 1: chance he can get out those. It's funny and it's
Speaker 1: you know what you're saying there you mentioned about Watkins.
Speaker 1: I just was looking at targets and receptions and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's seventeen targets, ten receptions, and then Lazard has fifty
Speaker 1: one targets and thirty receptions, you know. I mean, so
Speaker 1: it's it's funny that it's you think that Lazard has more,
Speaker 1: but it just the ball tends to go his direction
Speaker 1: where I mean, I got that vibe watching him play
Speaker 1: that Giants game. I mean they were, they were rolling
Speaker 1: along and they had you know, Randall Cobb, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, was making plays for him and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden that went away. And they just haven't
Speaker 1: been the same. The ball just doesn't go down the
Speaker 1: field like it did, you know earlier in the year.
Speaker 1: It's a lot longer flight. When you don't win that
Speaker 1: game in London, I would imagine, yee, you win it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem so bad, you know, you win it
Speaker 1: him he could be Kirk Cousins on the plane, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But lose it. Long long flight,
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys for joining us. We'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about this Green Bay defense versus the Cowboys offense.
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