Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague west Hodkuwitz.
Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau
Speaker 1: Field West. The Packers will be headed out to San Francisco,
Speaker 1: as we know, for the NFC Championship game this coming Sunday.
Speaker 1: It'll be a five forty pm Central Time kickoff, and
Speaker 1: obviously it's a rematch. It's a rematch of the week
Speaker 1: twelve Sunday Night Football game, a game that was flex
Speaker 1: to Sunday Night Football for the implications. At that time,
Speaker 1: the Niners were nine and one, the Packers were eight
Speaker 1: and two. Many people thought, including Aaron Rodgers, who said,
Speaker 1: you know, well, it looks like we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: beat the forty Niners at their place. At some point,
Speaker 1: he said that the week leading up to that, many
Speaker 1: people thought it would determine home field advantage potentially in
Speaker 1: a playoff game. It certainly has. San Francisco will be
Speaker 1: hosting it. Matt Lafleur talked on Monday about the film
Speaker 1: and what do you do with that thirty seven to
Speaker 1: eight game, which obviously was the Packers low point of
Speaker 1: the season. It was their worst game of the season.
Speaker 1: Do you use it? Do you throw it in the garbage?
Speaker 1: Do you just try? You know, how do you handle it?
Speaker 1: And his approach, at least from the head coaches perspective,
Speaker 1: and I think from the coaching perspective in general, as
Speaker 1: they build the game plan for this rematch, is to
Speaker 1: go through everything. You go over all of it. You
Speaker 1: you have to swallow it all, try to digest it
Speaker 1: all again, as as difficult as that might be to do. Now,
Speaker 1: how much he ends up sharing that with the players,
Speaker 1: how much he wants the players to be looking at
Speaker 1: that film again, and all that we'll see and we
Speaker 1: may not necessarily get any details in that regard, but
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur is definitely not taking that film and just
Speaker 1: throwing it in the trash can. It's something that he's
Speaker 1: going to use. He feels he, the coaches, the players,
Speaker 1: everybody needs to learn from what happened and obviously use
Speaker 1: it to put together a better performance. And it's it's
Speaker 1: interesting because I will sit here and tell you these
Speaker 1: are the two best teams in the NFC. I think
Speaker 1: the season has beared that out. These are not, you know,
Speaker 1: the one random team that kind of skirted its way
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and then here they are, you know,
Speaker 1: making a round to an NFC championship. Both these teams
Speaker 1: have earned their wins, and they've earned the right to
Speaker 1: get that first round by and now the chance to
Speaker 1: compete for the opportunity to go to Miami and play
Speaker 1: for Super Bowl. But more than anything, what I took
Speaker 1: away from this week was Matt Lafleur and Kyle Shannon
Speaker 1: both stepped to the podium on Monday, and in their
Speaker 1: own way, I thought conveyed really important messages from the
Speaker 1: floor's perspective. As you wrote about unpackers dot com, as
Speaker 1: you just talked a little bit about now, it's looking
Speaker 1: at everything they've done schedule wise, preparation wise, and making
Speaker 1: sure that the coaching staff is doing everything it needs
Speaker 1: to do to be prepared for this rematch in making
Speaker 1: by proxy, getting their locker room ready and being able
Speaker 1: to keep that twenty nine point loss kind of far
Speaker 1: from memory. And just hearing some of the guys talking
Speaker 1: to the locker room. You quoted Alan Lazard in your story,
Speaker 1: you can just sense that that message already has been
Speaker 1: sort of conveyed to these players. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: that's what I took away from a couple of players
Speaker 1: we were able to talk to in the locker room Monday,
Speaker 1: and hearing from coach Fleur, they're already kind of finding
Speaker 1: the right perspective in terms of in terms of where
Speaker 1: where to put this game. You know, Alan Lazard was asked,
Speaker 1: you know, well, thirty seven to eight, do you feel
Speaker 1: like this is such a big hill to climb? And
Speaker 1: he's like, well, we're not starting the game down twenty
Speaker 1: nine points. And I think it's natural from a fan
Speaker 1: perspective maybe in some ways to think, oh yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: seven to eight, boy, you know it. It sort of
Speaker 1: does feel like in some ways that you're that you're
Speaker 1: behind the eight ball right from the start of the game,
Speaker 1: that you know, but reality is, the game starts at
Speaker 1: at zero zero. I think from a preparation standpoint, there's
Speaker 1: a lot that the coaches are going to look at
Speaker 1: in that film, put together the game plan, and then
Speaker 1: they present it to the players on Wednesday morning before
Speaker 1: the first practice of the week on Wednesday afternoon. But
Speaker 1: I kind of get the sense that then once you
Speaker 1: start prepared, once you hit the practice field on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: you have your Wednesday, Thursday, Friday practices. Then it's everything
Speaker 1: is forward, it's not it's not looking back anymore. I
Speaker 1: think in some ways that's the line. That's the line
Speaker 1: that you have to walk, because there is a line
Speaker 1: between you know, using that film and learning from it,
Speaker 1: but not being consumed by it and not dwelling on
Speaker 1: it for too long. And maybe it is it's you know,
Speaker 1: that moment you hit the practice field on Wednesday, that's
Speaker 1: when the page turns and and all eyes are forward,
Speaker 1: not back, and back to the virginal point I was making. Two.
Speaker 1: This is what I love about the way that La
Speaker 1: Fleura and Shanahanna mess sagging because they're both saying the
Speaker 1: same thing as teams. From green Bay's perspective, you lost
Speaker 1: by twenty nine points. You want to flush it. You
Speaker 1: want to move on and understand that. Okay, our defense
Speaker 1: is playing better offensively, you've been galvanized here. I think
Speaker 1: these last few weeks with Aaron Jones and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: kind of bringing this offense and and you know, pushing
Speaker 1: them forward. But then San Francisco's standpoint, they can't look
Speaker 1: past green Bay. There's a reason why the line for
Speaker 1: the game is not minus twenty eight or twenty nine,
Speaker 1: it's it's minus seven for this reason. And Shanahan talking reporters,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote him on exactly what he said. He said,
Speaker 1: we know it'll be different. We know that game got
Speaker 1: away from them early, and that's definitely not the team
Speaker 1: we're going to see this week. Everyone knows how good
Speaker 1: Green Bay is, how good their coaching staff is, how
Speaker 1: good their players are, how good their quarterback is. I
Speaker 1: don't think they've lost a game since then, So I
Speaker 1: think this game really holds zero relevance to what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. That game irrelevance to what's going to happen
Speaker 1: on Sunday, San Francisco. That the great part of this
Speaker 1: story is they didn't just beat Green Bay and just
Speaker 1: continue to beat down the doors on every single opponent
Speaker 1: they faced after that. They lost to Atlanta, they nearly
Speaker 1: lost to the Rams, a game that would have cost
Speaker 1: them their first round, the first round seed and buy
Speaker 1: and everything that went with it. And then they came
Speaker 1: within a yard of losing to Seattle in that regular
Speaker 1: season finale. Now they did put I thought their best
Speaker 1: performance since Green Bay together against Minnesota, a suffocating outing
Speaker 1: against that run game, and Kirk Cousins and I have
Speaker 1: to feel that they're they're pretty confident here with having
Speaker 1: Joe Staley back, d Ford Kwan, Alexander Matt Brita's is
Speaker 1: available if they need him, and then certainly Robbie Gold
Speaker 1: got healthy here over the last month. They're they're in
Speaker 1: a good position right now. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: they understand, much like Green Bay won't be thinking about
Speaker 1: her treys trying not to think of that that matchup,
Speaker 1: they also have to flush it and push forward in
Speaker 1: their own way. Yeah, I think Shanahan also had a
Speaker 1: line something about, you know, it would it would be
Speaker 1: foolish too for the forty nine ers to read too
Speaker 1: much into what happened in week twelve. As much as
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur talks about on a week to week basis,
Speaker 1: it's about hitting the reset button and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan's doing the same thing, and he's not going
Speaker 1: to let He's not going to let his players look
Speaker 1: at the way they frankly dominated the Packers in the
Speaker 1: trenches back in Week twelve and look at the film
Speaker 1: and just kind of go, oh yeah, well, we can
Speaker 1: do that again, you know, I mean you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't take it for granted. And I, in fact, I
Speaker 1: saw a statistic, and I apologize for not writing it
Speaker 1: down and getting an exact but I saw something with
Speaker 1: regard to playoff rematches in NFL history where in the
Speaker 1: regular season the two teams met and the game was
Speaker 1: decided by twenty five plus points, so a blowout type
Speaker 1: of game like the like Week twelve was in Santa Clara,
Speaker 1: and the team the team that the blowout in the
Speaker 1: regular season has definitely one more of the playoff rematches,
Speaker 1: but it's about a sixty forty roughly split. So of
Speaker 1: the time the team that got blown out in the
Speaker 1: regular season has come back and turned the tables in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So not that that means anything in this
Speaker 1: game as far as once that ball is kicked off
Speaker 1: on on Sunday with the Packers and the forty enters,
Speaker 1: but it is just something to keep in mind, and
Speaker 1: it goes back. I think Alan Lazard's line might be
Speaker 1: my favorite one of of the week so far, just well,
Speaker 1: we're not starting the game down twenty nine points, and
Speaker 1: I think that's what I think that's what the Packers.
Speaker 1: I think that that's what the Packers fans can can
Speaker 1: take into Sunday afternoon. Yeah, and you gotta keep in
Speaker 1: mind too, this isn't you getting beat up by your
Speaker 1: older brother and Madden and then just putting the Controllers
Speaker 1: down and coming back a couple of weeks later and
Speaker 1: then the same result happening again. These are two teams
Speaker 1: that there's seven weeks of, you know, adaptation, evolution, improvement
Speaker 1: on both sides of this. We we had talked after
Speaker 1: that game that it's like, Okay, the Packers lost to
Speaker 1: the Niners there eight and three. You have five regular
Speaker 1: season games left. You have five games to improve and
Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to make a playoff run.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what the Packers did. They are playing much
Speaker 1: better football offensively. They've improved on third downs considerably after
Speaker 1: that horrible showing on third down in San Francisco. The
Speaker 1: third down numbers are up. The um they put themselves
Speaker 1: in position to score a lot more points. I know
Speaker 1: we talked how at the end of the regular season
Speaker 1: they let some of those opportunities get away, so the
Speaker 1: point totals weren't as high as they could have been.
Speaker 1: We saw the defense cut down on the explosive plays.
Speaker 1: Forty Niners were hitting them, you know. For it felt
Speaker 1: like big plays left and right in some respects in
Speaker 1: that game in Week twelve. So the Packers have made
Speaker 1: themselves a better team. They've done what they've needed to do.
Speaker 1: We'll find out on Sunday whether they close the gap
Speaker 1: enough to to take this well. And here's the other
Speaker 1: great aspect of this matchup with the league wine narrative.
Speaker 1: The national narrative seems to have been all season that, well,
Speaker 1: maybe the Packers aren't a thirteen win team, maybe they're
Speaker 1: not as good as their record shows, I mean, their
Speaker 1: point differential, all these other little analytics things you can
Speaker 1: point towards. The three May Packers win on San win
Speaker 1: on Sunday against San Francisco in San in Santa Clara,
Speaker 1: that argument goes out the window. That team has proven
Speaker 1: at that point that they are the best team in
Speaker 1: the NFC and have the right to compete for a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship. I feel like this is a team
Speaker 1: that every step of the way. If you want to
Speaker 1: talk about the strengths of this organization, the structure from
Speaker 1: top down with Brian goodicins, so the way he's managed
Speaker 1: it to how Mats coach it, and how the leaders
Speaker 1: in that locker room have pulled this locker room together.
Speaker 1: They don't care. They will they will handle adversity the
Speaker 1: way that they handle it. And I wrote it again
Speaker 1: and Insider inbox this morning. If you want to beat
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, you have to do exactly what
Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty Niners did the first time. You
Speaker 1: have to jump on them early, and you have to
Speaker 1: keep them down for four quarters because if that team
Speaker 1: is either a in the fourth quarter behind more often
Speaker 1: than not this year, they've clawed their way back, and
Speaker 1: if you actually give them a lead, like Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: found out on Sunday, it's just not easy with how
Speaker 1: they manage the formative offense, with the fact that they
Speaker 1: get the production that they need, even if the offense
Speaker 1: isn't just you know, world beating everybody, and defensively when
Speaker 1: they're cutting down on big plays, it's not easy to
Speaker 1: score quickly against them. Those are all things that have
Speaker 1: to be factored in this matchup. But it's the reason
Speaker 1: why when Kyle Shannon said that in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: they got down early, they kind of got away from
Speaker 1: their game. If it's closer, it's an entirely different situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Well, I want to go back
Speaker 1: to a couple of things from the playoff victory over
Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks that we can discuss here, because it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a big game in the NFL in the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season post season if not for some officiating questions.
Speaker 1: And I know the fans are interested in our opinions
Speaker 1: on what happened with the challenge on the fumble play
Speaker 1: with Jacob Hollister and Chanted Sullivan in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: And obviously there's still a lot of barking and crying
Speaker 1: about the spot of the Jimmy Graham reception at the
Speaker 1: end of the game that gave the Packers the first
Speaker 1: down and then allowed Green Bay to run out the clock.
Speaker 1: So starting with that play in the first quarter, I
Speaker 1: think you and I are on the same page here. Um,
Speaker 1: we're sitting next to each other in the press box,
Speaker 1: much like we're sitting next to each other right now,
Speaker 1: and we were somewhat in disbelief at the ruling that
Speaker 1: came back from New York on that on that review,
Speaker 1: Am I right, Yeah, I was, Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 1: And before I dive into that, I just want to
Speaker 1: make this quick statement, A and B are both true,
Speaker 1: then C has to also. By the I think is
Speaker 1: that the transitive property. It also has to be all
Speaker 1: the equals B and B equals see, then A equals see.
Speaker 1: So if they couldn't see whether or not Channon Sullivan
Speaker 1: recovered the fumble, and if there is no quantifiable evidence,
Speaker 1: overarching evidence to overturn the spot of the ball on
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Grant play because of video review, C has
Speaker 1: to be true. You can't. You can't argue it both ways,
Speaker 1: whether you're a Packer fan or whether or not you're
Speaker 1: a Seahawks fan. You can perspective looking at the chan
Speaker 1: and play. The biggest issue I took on this and
Speaker 1: I said this an inbox, is that the lack of
Speaker 1: urgency to officiate the play. Nobody, whether it was the
Speaker 1: field judge side that nobody seemed to really be following
Speaker 1: the action. They were just sort of waiting for the
Speaker 1: play to end. So with that happening in in you
Speaker 1: have to understand NFL officials, referees, they do tons of
Speaker 1: research throughout the week with a review previous games of
Speaker 1: the teams that are going to be officiating. They look
Speaker 1: for tendencies. If you've watched the Green Bay Packers this year,
Speaker 1: Gire Alexander is not a big guy. I know he'll
Speaker 1: probably mad at me for saying that, but he's not.
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not six two two twenty. He's about
Speaker 1: five eleven. I think he goes like maybe his The
Speaker 1: way he tackles a lot of times is lower and up.
Speaker 1: He actually ended up getting flagged for it a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, but that's the way he has to
Speaker 1: get guys in the ground and he's pretty darn good
Speaker 1: at it. If you see a tight end like Hollister
Speaker 1: at two pounds or whatever he's doing, and Jire Alexander
Speaker 1: is the one making the play, you have to understand
Speaker 1: as an official, this is the way that this cornerback,
Speaker 1: this defensive back attacks this play. He's gonna go up,
Speaker 1: he's going to elevate, and he's gonna go for the
Speaker 1: football the ball comes out. Yes, there were some bodies there,
Speaker 1: but there weren't enough bodies. It wasn't like it was
Speaker 1: that was the thing to me. Is it wasn't like
Speaker 1: it was some major scrum, and it was pretty clear.
Speaker 1: It looked pretty clear to me on the replay that
Speaker 1: Sullivan got his hands on the ball pretty quickly there
Speaker 1: and then just because some other guys like jumped on
Speaker 1: the pile like you know. Okay, so they say, they
Speaker 1: say it's not they say it's not a clear recovery.
Speaker 1: But man, oh man, I mean, he got his hands
Speaker 1: on the ball and there was no there was He
Speaker 1: got his hands on the ball before the scrum happened,
Speaker 1: the mini scrum, I guess I'll call it. And there
Speaker 1: was certainly no evidence anywhere in the video that anybody
Speaker 1: ever took the ball away from him. So that's what
Speaker 1: that's what I didn't That's why I didn't understand how
Speaker 1: that ball doesn't end up in green base possession. So
Speaker 1: west hod Kuwitz, little west Hodquitz, went in locker room.
Speaker 1: He did the thing the officials didn't. He actually asked
Speaker 1: Jannon Sullivan about the play. Sullivan didn't have any communication
Speaker 1: with the referees. They didn't even give him an explanation afterwards.
Speaker 1: What happened was that Sullivan he noticed that JayR had
Speaker 1: dislodged the ball. He could see the way it was happening.
Speaker 1: He anticipated it. He rolls down there. Now he said,
Speaker 1: I didn't have it immediately, but in the scrum he
Speaker 1: got it. Like he's the only one that ever established
Speaker 1: possession of this, and if you need evidence of that,
Speaker 1: he hands it to the official. The officials kind of
Speaker 1: just lally gag into the scrum. You know what happens
Speaker 1: usually on a fumble play. They charge in there and
Speaker 1: they're already trying to break things up. Yeah, but the yeah,
Speaker 1: but the thing is the the officials were all relaxed
Speaker 1: because the call in the field was that it was
Speaker 1: was that it was no fumble. So when you talk
Speaker 1: about the lack of urgency, it was because well they
Speaker 1: had blown the whistle and the guy who was on
Speaker 1: top of it said no, he was down, so nobody
Speaker 1: else was really nobody else clicked in from a mental
Speaker 1: standpoint to say, well, maybe we should see who who
Speaker 1: ends up with this call. Anyway, they didn't take that
Speaker 1: approach on the field, and then I think it cost
Speaker 1: the packers because because of the review that came from
Speaker 1: New York. I still I saw the little video that
Speaker 1: Al Riveran put out in his explanation, which isn't really
Speaker 1: an explanation. He's just reading the rule to you on camera,
Speaker 1: and I just I just don't buy it. I just
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was weak. I
Speaker 1: thought I thought there was pretty clear evidence that that
Speaker 1: was the Packers football. Yeah. So I guess the question
Speaker 1: ultimately comes down to if the ball comes out so
Speaker 1: many times now, if even if the ground force of
Speaker 1: the fumble they're throwing, you know, they're they're making sure
Speaker 1: that everyone knows that it's still alive play. They didn't
Speaker 1: do it in that occasion, So maybe you just get
Speaker 1: stuck in this gray area whatever it may have you.
Speaker 1: But it obviously ended up going against the Packers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here's the other question I want to throw at you
Speaker 1: about this though. So the Packers challenge the play. It
Speaker 1: is rule to fumble, but they say but they say
Speaker 1: no clear recovery. Yet they take away the challenge and
Speaker 1: the time out, which because it was the first half,
Speaker 1: I wasn't too worked up about the time out necessarily,
Speaker 1: But to me, as I said to you in the
Speaker 1: press box at the time, I mean, the game is
Speaker 1: only what five to seven minutes old or whatever at
Speaker 1: that point, and the Packers don't get that challenge correct
Speaker 1: in the in the complete sense, so it costs them
Speaker 1: a challenge. Now you're looking at the last fifty plus
Speaker 1: minutes of the game, You've only got one challenge the
Speaker 1: rest of the game, whether you get it right or wrong,
Speaker 1: because you don't get a third one unless you get
Speaker 1: the first two right. To me, that to me, that's
Speaker 1: something that that was a really tough break for the Packers. Now,
Speaker 1: it didn't turn out that Matt Lafleur didn't end up
Speaker 1: with really any other situations where he was maybe being
Speaker 1: pressed to challenge something and use that second challenge, but
Speaker 1: he was in a position where he was going to
Speaker 1: have to have to be very judicious with making a
Speaker 1: second challenge because it was his only one for the
Speaker 1: rest of the game, and because that play had happened
Speaker 1: on on Seattle's first offensive play of the game. A
Speaker 1: few years ago, my computer got fried. It was a
Speaker 1: good computer, and I didn't have it backed up. Kids,
Speaker 1: back up your computers, and so I had some old
Speaker 1: stories and some stuff on there, and I brought it
Speaker 1: to a local camera repair shop, video all that kind
Speaker 1: of repair shop, and I brought in there and said, hey,
Speaker 1: there's nothing we can do for you fair game. I
Speaker 1: got the computer back and I went back in my
Speaker 1: car and I drove home. I didn't have to pay
Speaker 1: them anything for them to tell me that they couldn't
Speaker 1: fix my computer. If you if they actually if they're
Speaker 1: ruling on the field changes, because if I'm correct in this,
Speaker 1: Jacob Holistair is then credited with a fumble, is he
Speaker 1: not he's credited with He's credited with fumbling the ball statistically,
Speaker 1: So if there is a change to the play, I
Speaker 1: think that's one thing. Whether it's in the spring meetings
Speaker 1: that the NFL is gonna have to look at it.
Speaker 1: We'll see if you know, Mark Murphy would end up
Speaker 1: mentioning it, because you can't be in a situation where, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know he did fumble, but there's not evidence that
Speaker 1: it was a turnover. So we're taking away your time
Speaker 1: out and your challenge. You're right, the time out, Who cares,
Speaker 1: it's the first half, But that challenge if the challenge
Speaker 1: rule is going to be that you need both to
Speaker 1: get the third and if you don't get one, you
Speaker 1: only get one more for the rest of the game.
Speaker 1: That's that's a I thought I thought that was I
Speaker 1: thought that was a tough break. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about the Jimmy Graham play at the end too, because
Speaker 1: I credit and I apologize for not writing down the
Speaker 1: person's name. I credit an inbox reader who sent in
Speaker 1: as I was working on Monday Mornings inbox in the
Speaker 1: late hours of Sunday night, there was I was directed
Speaker 1: by a reader to another website had some really good
Speaker 1: pictures of the play at the end with Graham and
Speaker 1: the catch and then and then the spot essentially pointing
Speaker 1: out that Fox's yellow line in that particular moment was off,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't. I mean, and everybody's you know, your
Speaker 1: eyes are just trained, like, Okay, there's the yellow line,
Speaker 1: there's where the tackle is made. But that yellow line
Speaker 1: wasn't even close when you look at where the marker
Speaker 1: is on the sideline, the yellow line wasn't even close.
Speaker 1: And so I think, I think this whole thing with
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Graham play controversy is sort of manufactured by
Speaker 1: some faulty technology that just wasn't quite was wasn't really
Speaker 1: accurate enough in the moment. And uh, Otherwise, I think,
Speaker 1: if I think, if that yellow line is actually where
Speaker 1: the first down marker is nobody's really talking about this.
Speaker 1: This Jimmy Graham in the spot of the last play.
Speaker 1: So this is actually one situation where it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how many cameras you have, It doesn't matter all the
Speaker 1: technology that you can, you know, go into unless we're
Speaker 1: literally talking about like you know, microchips being in the
Speaker 1: football to tell you exactly the precise location. This is
Speaker 1: actually where you just need to trust your side judge
Speaker 1: because that side judge had the best view of anybody,
Speaker 1: view that nobody else captured except for that really far
Speaker 1: zoomed out sideline camera that they had. The one they
Speaker 1: tried to zoom in. It wasn't happening. It was like
Speaker 1: me to take a picture of your iPhone. It's like
Speaker 1: I want to get a little bit closer, and everything
Speaker 1: just gets to start. You have to actually whether whether
Speaker 1: you agree with the caller you don't agree with the call.
Speaker 1: The best perspective was the two eyes of the side
Speaker 1: judge because of where Graham's body landed. He was only
Speaker 1: showing the football to the sideline, so that's where they
Speaker 1: felt like he was down. That's where he was down
Speaker 1: to This whole thing about the yellow line, I just
Speaker 1: love that it's got Adrian Amos, it's got all these
Speaker 1: you know, I think media types, all these people are
Speaker 1: pointing out like, yeah, you guys have to understand like
Speaker 1: this isn't like that isn't an NFL like official line.
Speaker 1: That's that's just the TV broadcast. It's Joe up in
Speaker 1: the production that you know is just trying to get
Speaker 1: home to his family here in two hours and you
Speaker 1: know and pack up the truck. That's the guy that's
Speaker 1: like putting that line down on the field. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a issue where they had it
Speaker 1: directly lined up on the ardage line. I can't remember
Speaker 1: which one it was. But the real spot of the
Speaker 1: first down is signific is inches ahead of that, not
Speaker 1: even touching the white. Yeah, that that's that's the thing
Speaker 1: you could you can see when you if you if
Speaker 1: you look at if you look at the picture, look
Speaker 1: at the play again, look at the the little orange
Speaker 1: sort of I guess you call it the flat pylon.
Speaker 1: That's like that's like laying there on the grass. And
Speaker 1: look at where the yellow line is. I mean it's
Speaker 1: I mean, it looks like it's a I would say
Speaker 1: even a good maybe eight to ten inches off I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it looks like it's significantly it's significantly off,
Speaker 1: and the visual of the yellow line, I think is
Speaker 1: what is kind of what created this whole controversy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So fortunately everything cooler heads prevailed. Additional footage came in
Speaker 1: from the heavens. That was that was, that was only thing.
Speaker 1: Suddenly a suddenly Cleet Blakeman comes back on the microphone
Speaker 1: and he and he says, as soon as he says
Speaker 1: like additional footage, I was like, oh my goodness, are
Speaker 1: they going to change the call now? After he already
Speaker 1: announced that the call stands. I mean, I think lambeau
Speaker 1: I think lambeau Field would have just like spontaneously imploded
Speaker 1: if if they change the call after that. But he says, well,
Speaker 1: if additional footage it became available, but it doesn't change
Speaker 1: the call, and then everybody cheers again. The Packers go
Speaker 1: into victory formation and uh and we're moving on with
Speaker 1: our lives. And as I said after the game, my
Speaker 1: first two weet as soon as it was over. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I've covered a normal football game this year.
Speaker 1: That was number seventeen now of the rate of our
Speaker 1: of our season for meaningful games. Yeah, I still don't
Speaker 1: know if I've covered one that's like, okay, start to finish,
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Yeah, all right, Well with that,
Speaker 1: we will call it a wrap on today's edition of
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