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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 1: Frida Egg Podcast. I am joined by Brendan Porath from
Speaker 1: ESB Nation and Kevin van Valkenberg from ESPN. Guys, Welcome on, Andy,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Hey, great to be here the third time back. It's
Speaker 2: like the Brooks Keptka of the Frida Egg Podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three in a row here, what a what a tournament?
Speaker 2: It was awesome. I mean I think we all, uh
Speaker 2: you know, predicted that it was going to be a
Speaker 2: good leaderboard, but yeah, I couldn't have predicted this. I
Speaker 2: think we thought maybe Tiger was gonna miss the cut,
Speaker 2: and uh that certainly didn't happen to it, not at all.
Speaker 4: I Mean it was am I Ron and saying like
Speaker 4: Thursday and Friday really kind of lacked juice, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know, like I thought, like we were kind of like, wow.
Speaker 2: This this really stinks.
Speaker 4: The course has really been poured on, and like you know,
Speaker 4: the coverage, we can't watch anything, and it's just we
Speaker 4: kind of we get of course, you know, Twitter demands
Speaker 4: the thought of the exact moment. That's really rarely a
Speaker 4: holistic ten thousand foot view.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, I think it's.
Speaker 4: Just the latest lesson and kind of take chilling out
Speaker 4: and waiting for things to happen unfold.
Speaker 2: I know that brooks Keevigy was not happy that no
Speaker 2: one wanted to talk to him about It's one under
Speaker 2: sixty nine. I heard all about that from claud Harmon yesterday.
Speaker 2: How disrespectful that was to the US Open champion, Like,
Speaker 2: all right, guess what I'm going to us to do
Speaker 2: it every single major from now on, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: tell me your thoughts on the course. Really fun to
Speaker 2: hear you after you shoot seventy four some day.
Speaker 1: I do think that that picture that Joel Biale posted
Speaker 1: of the press conference for a that's amazing. I mean
Speaker 1: there was like five people in.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, which.
Speaker 5: He doesn't say anything though they do these like these
Speaker 5: Tuesdays are just every twenty minutes, they're bringing a new guy,
Speaker 5: a new guy you got, and there's only like, you know,
Speaker 5: we live in the universe of unlimited content, but.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, there's like there might actually be limits.
Speaker 4: You know, the Brooks KPKA on a Tuesday. You know,
Speaker 4: it's just the limit after Tiger and all these people like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, he doesn't you know now, of course we
Speaker 4: have a different view. He's a three time major winner,
Speaker 4: but he just like, you can't have it both ways,
Speaker 4: where you know the media, like the media doesn't want
Speaker 4: to talk to me, and then when the media talks
Speaker 4: to you, you're kind of like a brusque dickhead and
Speaker 4: you don't give him anything to work with. You know,
Speaker 4: it seems like, you know, I actually liked his press
Speaker 4: conference after the win last night, and I actually I
Speaker 4: think it was a question from you, Kevin, he really
Speaker 4: he had to think about becoming one of the all
Speaker 4: time greats, and he smiled and it like, actually, might
Speaker 4: you actually saw something kind of working up.
Speaker 2: There, And I think.
Speaker 4: I think he kind of wanted to give like a
Speaker 4: legit answer like I just and he said he likes
Speaker 4: golf and these next few years are gonna be awesome.
Speaker 4: But like, I think it's hard to have it both ways.
Speaker 4: That that photo, like those two days are madness. You
Speaker 4: can't just sit in that press conference room all day.
Speaker 4: You have work to do. There are things to do.
Speaker 4: And I guess kept could just draw the short straw
Speaker 4: and the wrong time he was at near the end
Speaker 4: of the day, and that's just how it happened.
Speaker 2: But it was it was not the most It was
Speaker 2: kind of an indicting photo for the press. If you
Speaker 2: never if you compare yourself to the Tiger press conference,
Speaker 2: you're never gonna like be okay with like how things
Speaker 2: work out, because like every local TV station there wants
Speaker 2: to get the Tiger clip on the Saint Louis News
Speaker 2: and you know, it's you just have to kind of
Speaker 2: accept that it's different. I mean, it's different for Rory,
Speaker 2: like there's not that many people. There's I mean, there's
Speaker 2: more people in the Rory press conference, but that's because
Speaker 2: Rory could say something really you know, interesting and insightful,
Speaker 2: and maybe Brooks could do that, but you know, I
Speaker 2: haven't heard it yet in the presser from him, and
Speaker 2: I think it's just because he's not entirely like that
Speaker 2: kind of person who wants to give that to himself.
Speaker 2: You i'd sort of be careful what you wish for
Speaker 2: kind of thing, like.
Speaker 1: All right, we're getting this back on the tracks. No
Speaker 1: more press conference talk. Let's talk about what happened.
Speaker 2: You know, you brought up the photo.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I didn't want it to divulge into
Speaker 1: like a five minute discussion of press conferences. We got
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta get back on topic here. The
Speaker 1: uh I mean tiger, Tiger I would shot one thirty
Speaker 1: on the weekend and lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, and.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't like, I don't ever, I never
Speaker 1: felt like he was gonna win.
Speaker 2: I felt briefly like when he almost dumped that wedge
Speaker 2: on fifteen, that he could win. That was the one
Speaker 2: moment where I was like, man, like this is even
Speaker 2: though it was coming off kind of a deflating bogie.
Speaker 2: I just felt like there was a lot of rumors
Speaker 2: that Adam Scott had made a double until we were
Speaker 2: all like, oh man, it's just Brooke some tiger in
Speaker 2: that moment. And so that was the one moment I
Speaker 2: was like, maybe he's going to come to seventeen. If
Speaker 2: he hits that bomb cut that he's been hitting out there,
Speaker 2: he's going to have a really good chance of hitting
Speaker 2: this close in two. And you know, it just kind
Speaker 2: of just sort of deflated after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was one moment I actually I allowed myself
Speaker 4: to think he was going to win yesterday. I don't
Speaker 4: know that I did at the Open, even when he
Speaker 4: held Elite. It just felt like at the Open there
Speaker 4: were still too many names too, there was too crowded
Speaker 4: there were, But whereas yesterday, I felt like it just
Speaker 4: all he needed was something for Brooks to you know,
Speaker 4: he's just relying on the Brooks collapse, which you know
Speaker 4: was highly unlikely as we've seen he's a machine. But
Speaker 4: you know, there was that moment where he had two
Speaker 4: buggies in a row, and I think on the sixth
Speaker 4: he needed like a pretty lanthy save coming back up
Speaker 4: after he blew it past the hole.
Speaker 2: Like I just felt like he.
Speaker 4: Had shown signs of maybe giving a shot or two
Speaker 4: backs to the field coming in and as Tiger again
Speaker 4: at fifteen, like when the ball was in the air
Speaker 4: and it literally almost went in the freaking hole, it
Speaker 4: just felt like something special was happening, even in like
Speaker 4: the Potter Rays. On thirteen, I went and did the
Speaker 4: like photoshop comparison with Baby six necklace. I never tweeted
Speaker 4: it because I was like, this is like this will
Speaker 4: be like all takes exposed or something terrible It's like
Speaker 4: he did the putter rays on thirteen and then he
Speaker 4: you know, they made the Oi came back on fifteen.
Speaker 4: I was like, there is this this might be like
Speaker 4: even with brooks Kepka be the way he is, this
Speaker 4: might be like something bigger than him and something might
Speaker 4: be happening.
Speaker 2: I allowed myself to think he could have won yesterday.
Speaker 1: The uh let me rattle down from thirteen on. This
Speaker 1: is you know, brooks Keptka Birdie looks seven feet six inches,
Speaker 1: six feet eight inches, eleven feet five inches, ten feet
Speaker 1: ten feet, six feet seven inches. He was one hundred
Speaker 1: and four feet and three inches and two on seventeen,
Speaker 1: so I think he had like six feet four inches
Speaker 1: on seventeen and for Birdie, and then on eighteen he
Speaker 1: had his longest Birdie look of seventeen feet in the
Speaker 1: last seven holes. Like that is just dominant.
Speaker 2: The drives too, I mean you the drive on fifteen
Speaker 2: was like three forty and then the four iron to
Speaker 2: six feet, and then the drive on seventeen was I
Speaker 2: was standing right behind him. It was unreal. I mean
Speaker 2: it was murdered. And then his drive on eighteen was murdered.
Speaker 2: It was like that was what Tiger used to be
Speaker 2: like the guy who just absolutely you know, he could
Speaker 2: hit it wild, but just dialed it in as a
Speaker 2: clinic when it mattered, and that's his biggest weapon. He's
Speaker 2: a great putter. He's a pretty underrated short game. Obviously
Speaker 2: he's hitting it that close. But the driver, oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: just murdered them.
Speaker 1: He had no chance to anybody. We were lucky it
Speaker 1: was this close.
Speaker 4: I thought on seventeen like he took like an extra beat,
Speaker 4: you know, And they said it on the broadcast like
Speaker 4: this is really like the last spot of trouble. I mean, Kevin,
Speaker 4: you were there the seventeen Thi's like, this is like
Speaker 4: his last really chance where he could get in trouble.
Speaker 2: There's a hazard. He just saw Tiger going it.
Speaker 4: And then he like he not only he took the
Speaker 4: perfect angle cut off like like right out road over
Speaker 4: the left half, caught the fairway as it come, you know,
Speaker 4: doglegs slight left back, and you know, it.
Speaker 2: Was just perfect.
Speaker 4: There was no there was no crack anywhere to be found.
Speaker 4: Even after that that front nine home, there was just
Speaker 4: no crack, and it was it was just a juxtaposition
Speaker 4: between Tiger kind of blowing one off the planet right
Speaker 4: and then them kind of it almost felt like the
Speaker 4: broadcast was like trying to like tease it for us,
Speaker 4: like jinks him into like it, like this is the
Speaker 4: last really the last spot where you get in trouble,
Speaker 4: and then it was the exact opposite.
Speaker 2: I was honestly that at the time, I was like,
Speaker 2: that's one of the best pressure drives that I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: like because it was just hammered at as hard as
Speaker 2: he swung at it, and there was just no doubt.
Speaker 2: And I just watched Tiger, you know, take five minutes
Speaker 2: to think about his drive on seventeen before, like five
Speaker 2: minutes before, and kind of ran back to Brooks and Tiger,
Speaker 2: you know, has had almost no chance and Brooks was
Speaker 2: just dead nails. By the way, when Tiger's ball looked
Speaker 2: like it was in the water on seventeen, we were
Speaker 2: walking up and I was walking next to Michael Phelps,
Speaker 2: who I know a little bit, and I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: if this is in the water, do you think there's
Speaker 2: anybody around here who might be willing to swim the
Speaker 2: creek and get it out? And He's like, dude, I'm
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: Humble bread, humble bread right there.
Speaker 2: Abb name dropping old old old sources.
Speaker 1: Michael Felp, The that drive Brooks had on seventeen was
Speaker 1: kind of like DJ's on eighteen at Oakmont.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good comparison. What what was more impressive?
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought the shot into sixteen though, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's like hard to choose. I don't know what what
Speaker 4: was more the shot into sixteen from what.
Speaker 2: Was sixty I was the official yardage of the hole
Speaker 2: to I think forty eight, and then he hit it
Speaker 2: according to the shot trager like two forty seven or
Speaker 2: some things, so it might have been back all the
Speaker 2: way at two fifty something.
Speaker 1: That was an unbelievable shot, Like one of the best
Speaker 1: shots I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 2: I mean I was talking to his Caddy afterwards. He
Speaker 2: was just like it was just a freaking laser. I mean,
Speaker 2: it just never left the pin.
Speaker 1: It literally like they had the shot tracer on it.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it moved like it was a
Speaker 1: straight rope. But like that's the thing I think is
Speaker 1: like when I look at when I remember this, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think we saw the same thing at Aaron
Speaker 1: Hills and to a degree, at Shinnakok. Like the guy
Speaker 1: just I mean, he's unbelievable, Like it not just the
Speaker 1: driving but the putting, Like the putts go in the
Speaker 1: dead center of the hole and they like are the
Speaker 1: perfect speed. And you're really surprised when he misses, Like
Speaker 1: you're surprised when he misses a t shot, You're surprised
Speaker 1: when he misses putts, and that doesn't happen with many
Speaker 1: guys down the stretch. Like, yeah, I was waiting for
Speaker 1: like Adam Scott, you know, I love Adam Scott, great player,
Speaker 1: but like you kind of sat and you were waiting
Speaker 1: for him to kind of fall apart versus like Brooks.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, is he gonna miss
Speaker 1: any putts? Like that, Like you're almost praying for a miss.
Speaker 1: So it was close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote this on my column, But like what
Speaker 2: if Greg? What if? Like Brooks is like are Greg Norman,
Speaker 2: except instead of wilting in the big moments, he like
Speaker 2: just steps on people's throats. Like there's a lot of similarities,
Speaker 2: Like they're like young and stronger than everyone. They're both
Speaker 2: fitness freaks, they're both like generational drivers of the golf ball.
Speaker 2: But Brooks might have the one thing that Norman didn't,
Speaker 2: which is just that he's a killer closer.
Speaker 4: They have their own logo that is also true, SA
Speaker 4: nifty little BK A.
Speaker 2: Lot of the beautiful women because of fast cars. I mean,
Speaker 2: kind of gruff and arrogant, a little bit off putting
Speaker 2: to some people. I like it.
Speaker 1: The uh yeah. The poll question that Philip Johnson tweeted
Speaker 1: last night was was great, like it is an unbelievable question,
Speaker 1: like better like whose career would you rather have Brooks
Speaker 1: or DJ right now?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I I think honestly that's
Speaker 2: I would rather have Brooks's even though it's a you know,
Speaker 2: it's probably unfair, but like this is history. Is how
Speaker 2: if you want to be remembered, if you want to
Speaker 2: have like a legacy, then majors are what it is.
Speaker 2: Does anyone really care that DJ one Kapalua or DJ
Speaker 2: one at in Memphis like twenty years from now. No,
Speaker 2: they'd be like that dude has one or two majors,
Speaker 2: And that seems like, you know, not very much for
Speaker 2: someone who might be the most talented player that ever lived.
Speaker 2: And so the fact that Brooks just has that kind
Speaker 2: of extra gear that makes him not care. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's we were talking about this last night and we
Speaker 2: were kind of joking, but like Sehn Martin's take about
Speaker 2: DJ is like the best take of all time that
Speaker 2: the only major he's ever won is the one that
Speaker 2: he didn't know his own score. That's like, so that's
Speaker 2: so nails as to what maybe DJ is like he
Speaker 2: maybe DJ isn't like the ice cold, sort of chill
Speaker 2: dude that we all kind of presume he is, and
Speaker 2: maybe he does get a little bit nervy when he's
Speaker 2: around the lead, and this is Brooks is proving to
Speaker 2: be the opposite.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's interesting to see what's the spread,
Speaker 4: like seven years, maybe seven six years the age. It's
Speaker 4: kind of so these are like, like Brooks is in
Speaker 4: the same spot DJ was at whatever Whistling Straits or
Speaker 4: Pebble Beach or all those like major chances that he
Speaker 4: had late and didn't really close, and Brooks is actually
Speaker 4: closing them now.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.
Speaker 4: Like when you were talking about, well, unfortunately we define
Speaker 4: we defined careers by majors, and Brooks has three, and
Speaker 4: DJ has won and Brooks has you know, six years down,
Speaker 4: you know, more to go behind it. I just think
Speaker 4: like trying to think of the analog for DJ, like
Speaker 4: someone who like when you were there in the moment,
Speaker 4: you like, I mean it was just like erotic to watch.
Speaker 4: It was like amazing as a rousing. But like then
Speaker 4: kind of like the thirty year view down the road
Speaker 4: was it's listening to the old man tell you about
Speaker 4: how good he was to watch even though he had
Speaker 4: five less majors than is like a Weiss.
Speaker 2: Cop or somebody like that.
Speaker 4: I don't know who that would be in the moment,
Speaker 4: but you know, we love it and like we we
Speaker 4: can't appreciate it. We'll be able to talk about it
Speaker 4: thirty years down the road. But if he has just
Speaker 4: like one or two majors and you know, forty wins
Speaker 4: and Brooks has seven or eight majors and fifteen wins.
Speaker 2: Twenty like we are going to hold Brooks's career in
Speaker 2: higher scheme.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they the financial things. One person tweeted like seventy
Speaker 1: million to like twenty millions, Like yeah, from the financial sense,
Speaker 1: there's no question what you would want. But from a
Speaker 1: legacy sense, I mean, three majors.
Speaker 2: Is where it's also going to pro you know, seventy
Speaker 2: eight years longer. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I look at it, a hey, if they both retire tomorrow,
Speaker 1: whose is it? You know? That's the way I think
Speaker 1: you have to approach these. And like when I post,
Speaker 1: everybody's like, you know, terrible. I said something about hall
Speaker 1: of Fame like and I meant it on in the
Speaker 1: context of like, like Brooks retire tomorrow, he's in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, which is n like I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't foresee. I didn't realize that was the case with
Speaker 1: Brooks before this tournament, watching it yesterday until like even
Speaker 1: until like a couple hours later, I was like, holy cow,
Speaker 1: he's a major chance. He's he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was a Hall of Famer before he
Speaker 4: won that. No, am I crazy? Like this isn't like
Speaker 4: this isn't like Cooperstown. We don't have these like old
Speaker 4: krusty riders, you know, his off at the world and
Speaker 4: happy to just put no one on their ballot. It's
Speaker 4: like just like an open door policy. I think he
Speaker 4: was in the Hall of Fame before that.
Speaker 2: Brooks untially gonna pull a t o though. If he
Speaker 2: doesn't Hall of Fame and have his own ceremony with
Speaker 2: like make ultra and like a bar.
Speaker 4: Gonna go to like the Panhandle or something has But
Speaker 4: Fred Couples is in the Hall of Fame with one major, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, what else does he have?
Speaker 1: Yes, what you have fifteen wins or something like that,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, yeah, I know he has a lot
Speaker 1: of Here's here's another question. What is one major equal?
Speaker 1: And and PGA Tour went like what's the what's the ratio?
Speaker 2: I don't think I like seven or eight at least? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because like John Daily has what like four career wins
Speaker 2: and like two our majors and he's not in the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. And some of that is like because
Speaker 2: of John Daly is like a circus act. But like
Speaker 2: so I'm not sure you can just win two majors
Speaker 2: but get in the Hall of Fame. But just at
Speaker 2: some point, like if you win three, you're You're just in.
Speaker 2: There's no real debate about it. It'd be like winning
Speaker 2: twenty one you know, PGA Tour titles in the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame. Monty is in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Manti has won a lot of European majors, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of wins. Yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 1: It's so uh so Tiger. Yeah, I mean Tiger solidified
Speaker 1: that he is the rock from from kvv's earlier take smooth,
Speaker 1: because if if Tiger's not in this thing, it's the
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen US Open.
Speaker 2: That's correct. No one like that. The emotional like Adam
Speaker 2: Scott is playing for Jared Low thing is maybe a storyline,
Speaker 2: but there's not the like bonkers crowds. So yeah, the
Speaker 2: rock take turned out to be pretty good, right, and
Speaker 2: he's getting the all his little fans and out there
Speaker 2: getting going nuts, and I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, like to a certain degree, it was the twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen US Open where where Brooks just like there was
Speaker 1: some hope but then he just really put it away
Speaker 1: and he put it to bed. But the hysteria of
Speaker 1: Tiger just like clouded that. It was actually kind of
Speaker 1: you know, there wasn't a lot of drama. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like Tiger made the drama by shooting sixty four, but
Speaker 1: he didn't ever really have a chance.
Speaker 2: It's funny how Tiger like makes everything okay because I
Speaker 2: think of if Aaron Hills had happened, when everyone was
Speaker 2: kind of like Aaron Hills, what a bad Us Open.
Speaker 2: If Tiger had been second instead of JT or whatever
Speaker 2: he was open, people been like, well that was great,
Speaker 2: we got to go back to Aaron hills Man. Like
Speaker 2: even though Kepta one like Tiger made it interesting, no
Speaker 2: one would have complained about the score if Tiger was
Speaker 2: involved in that.
Speaker 4: I kind of wrote this this morning, like Tiger is
Speaker 4: the only one that can Tiger is the only one
Speaker 4: that can make something dramatic, you know, separated apart from
Speaker 4: the outcome. You know, we don't need him to win
Speaker 4: for him to like be the show obviously and to
Speaker 4: provide the most dramatic moments of the day. It's like
Speaker 4: it was never like that in his career, Like his
Speaker 4: career was all about outcomes. His career was like I
Speaker 4: show up to win a tournament. It feels like this season,
Speaker 4: and definitely yesterday, that changed. He knew he didn't win
Speaker 4: on eighteen when he fist pumped and started smiling and
Speaker 4: waving to the crowd. He knew, you know, he had
Speaker 4: won when he around the locker room, and you know,
Speaker 4: like it just feels a little different, Like he feels
Speaker 4: like there's reward in playing and putting on the show.
Speaker 2: Like he did.
Speaker 4: Yesterday and not just rewarding, you know, not this kind
Speaker 4: of like black and white world of win versus loss,
Speaker 4: and like, obviously he's the only kind of person that
Speaker 4: could could be the show while losing by but by
Speaker 4: two shots or you know never, while Brooks kind of really,
Speaker 4: like you said, Andy never really had anything in doubt
Speaker 4: left it in doubt over the last to two and
Speaker 4: a half hours of the broadcast, Like Tiger is obviously
Speaker 4: the only person who can deal that show, steal that show,
Speaker 4: and obviously, and I think it comes clearly in the
Speaker 4: context of not getting that for two years and not
Speaker 4: thinking we ever would.
Speaker 2: He think he seems happier to me. I think that's
Speaker 2: not like a made up, projected sort of take that
Speaker 2: he is genuinely like Kyle talked about this a little
Speaker 2: bit yesterday, but I think he's talked about in another
Speaker 2: anlling up pod. But there was a moment on Saturday
Speaker 2: when Tiger just roped an awesome stinger I think on
Speaker 2: like eleven, and he just kind of went over and
Speaker 2: people were going nuts, and he put his his club
Speaker 2: in his bag and he just sort of smiled like
Speaker 2: he was taking it all in. And I think what's
Speaker 2: kind of neat about watching this sort of version of
Speaker 2: Tiger four point zero is that he's able to sort
Speaker 2: of a joy and appreciate things a little bit. He
Speaker 2: still gets really pissed when he hits a drive, you know,
Speaker 2: that stinks, but like he wasn't you know, a salty
Speaker 2: dick after the round about you know, like or he
Speaker 2: didn't make an excuse about anything, and he just was
Speaker 2: kind of like, hey, you know, like I played really
Speaker 2: well and obviously I needed a great round. Wasn't quite
Speaker 2: enough and you know, was there to Hugbrooks and maybe
Speaker 2: kind of flirt with his girlfriend a little bit, And
Speaker 2: that was That was a classic New Tiger.
Speaker 4: My favorite, my favorite tweet was that there's like someone
Speaker 4: got the screen cab of like the eyes locking. It's
Speaker 4: like she's one yata invite away from leaving. Maybe slightly inappropriate,
Speaker 4: but the faith. Yeah, that's what the internet's.
Speaker 2: Four that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's maybe this, Maybe this is the
Speaker 4: value of this like sunset phase of Tiger's career is
Speaker 4: like you know, maybe he wins you know, once out
Speaker 4: every fifty sixty times or something, you know, fifty times,
Speaker 4: let's say, or yeah, one once out every thirty starts,
Speaker 4: whereas I was supposed to once out every FO four
Speaker 4: or five.
Speaker 2: But he's like, okay with that.
Speaker 4: I understand the like understands the value to him, value
Speaker 4: and reward both for himself and for the game and
Speaker 4: the crowd and just shooting a Sunday sixty four that
Speaker 4: results in the two shot loss. Like, I think he
Speaker 4: really understands and appreciates that. And it wouldn't ten years ago,
Speaker 4: he wouldn't fifteen years ago. He wouldn't care. It's like
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter I lost. And maybe that's what Maybe
Speaker 4: that's the real impact of this last phase of his career,
Speaker 4: that the game can be dependent from outcome.
Speaker 2: It's his lowest score ever on a Sunday in a major.
Speaker 2: I predicted that in the middle of the round to Kyle.
Speaker 2: It was like, I think this is going to be
Speaker 2: the lowest he's ever shot since Bob Like, it'll be
Speaker 2: lower than the sixty five is shot against Bob By
Speaker 2: And it was I think he shot sixty five, man, No,
Speaker 2: Bob May shot sixty five.
Speaker 1: I mean he hit zero fairways on the front and
Speaker 1: shot thirty three thirty two, thirty two. Unbelievable. I mean
Speaker 1: that was one of the most ridiculous nines I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my Like when he made birdie on nine,
Speaker 1: I was like, what did I just watch?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the loudest roar I've ever heard, like nine
Speaker 2: birdie on nine. Yeah, people, I mean it was crazy.
Speaker 2: People were going nuts. Called it the most simple putt.
Speaker 2: Is just like this simple inside putt.
Speaker 4: The way that he got that, you know, that's that's
Speaker 4: for my for my money, one of those shots that's
Speaker 4: kind of part of the career of retrospective highlight. The
Speaker 4: vender from the car path, I know, it was wet
Speaker 4: and soggy and the ball was sticking where it landed,
Speaker 4: but like he threw it to that kind of second
Speaker 4: tier and for whatever. I mean, the ball was going
Speaker 4: out a bounds, the ball was going ob, the drive
Speaker 4: was going ob and then all of a sudden he's
Speaker 4: you know, taking relief from the path and stuffing it
Speaker 4: on the back tier around the trees and you know,
Speaker 4: off the junk. It's just I mean, that's one of
Speaker 4: the that's one that you add to the kind of
Speaker 4: the career retrospective.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just.
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, the darts at three and fifteen
Speaker 4: sounded like the loudest shot. There were too many shots
Speaker 4: to choose, you know, and people are getting there's the
Speaker 4: backlash you always get when you talk about Tiger and
Speaker 4: not the winner. There's so much of that. I get
Speaker 4: the emails, the tweets like Tugger didn't win, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 4: like and we can't exaggerate Tiger, but likes KVV just
Speaker 4: said he shot the lowest final round in a major
Speaker 4: of his career. It is right and proper to talk
Speaker 4: as much as we are about him. We're not exaggerating
Speaker 4: this one.
Speaker 1: He gained just three point eight so four to seven,
Speaker 1: four shots approaching the greens, and he lost one off
Speaker 1: the tee, like he was sixty fifth off the tee
Speaker 1: and first by almost a full shot approaching the green.
Speaker 1: Like his approach shots were out of this world. I
Speaker 1: mean that, that's what everybody talks about different aspects of
Speaker 1: Tiger's game. But Tiger was the best iron player in
Speaker 1: the world for so long. That's what it was. I
Speaker 1: mean that. I think like a lot of stuff gets overblown,
Speaker 1: like driving the ball in the distance, but like always
Speaker 1: like approach to the green, I think is the single
Speaker 1: most important skill out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seriously, Like I've joked about this a couple
Speaker 2: of times, but if Rory was like if they were
Speaker 2: playing in a shamble together and Rory just was the
Speaker 2: job was to hit the drive, Tiger went a shot
Speaker 2: like fifty eight, like three days in a row. I
Speaker 2: mean it was Rory was playing from places that were unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean he was gonna get thirty yards past Ingke
Speaker 2: every time and then making hitting it into the bunker
Speaker 2: or hitting just kind of crap wedges or whatever. And
Speaker 2: Rory would be the first to tell you that his
Speaker 2: approach came was crapped. But the way that Tiger's temple
Speaker 2: was was just so unbelievably good you couldn't really like
Speaker 2: couldn't explain it. I tried to ask him about it.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you know, I just had like a
Speaker 2: you know, a legit club in every hole. I didn't
Speaker 2: have to have like a half club or bad yardage
Speaker 2: or just kind of the kind of golf nerd thing.
Speaker 2: But man, I wanted to like bottle that tempo and
Speaker 2: just like save it for him forever because it was
Speaker 2: so unbelievably good. After he got it figured out, think
Speaker 2: about this is like he was three over after two holes,
Speaker 2: and he that was the difference of the tournament in
Speaker 2: some ways for him.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Brooks got off to horrible start though too,
Speaker 1: both of them. Both of them got like what was Brooks?
Speaker 1: Brooks was a couple over through you know with the
Speaker 1: doubles first hole of the tournament.
Speaker 2: That's true, he did. He was hit a claw back
Speaker 2: from it. So yeah, do you remember what.
Speaker 1: He was two over threw his first nine.
Speaker 4: Do you guys remember used to say like this felt
Speaker 4: like one of those days when Steve used to say
Speaker 4: Tiger would get so dialed in that sometimes he would
Speaker 4: force him to kind of aim a little away from
Speaker 4: the flag.
Speaker 2: Because he was hitting too much. You guys remember what
Speaker 2: he used to Yeah, don't know what hit the flag.
Speaker 4: He's hitting too many of the flags on the fly repeatedly.
Speaker 2: That like on fifteen, because the tail of Tiger was
Speaker 2: mad on fifteen, like or if he was like pumped
Speaker 2: up there and I thought maybe he had just hit
Speaker 2: it so good that it had hit the hit the
Speaker 2: pin and kicked like way right or something. Instead he
Speaker 2: was either like pumped up or he was mad they
Speaker 2: didn't dunk it.
Speaker 4: It felt like one of those days that Stevie would
Speaker 4: like like you were too odd like this take like
Speaker 4: you know, just that a beat off so it bounces
Speaker 4: to twelve inches doesn't hit the stick.
Speaker 1: I would like to say that there's a guy that
Speaker 1: says that pros can't hit it where they aim like that.
Speaker 2: I think pros are pretty good at hitting.
Speaker 1: I think I mean to me, Tiger, Tiger, if this
Speaker 1: cad he's having to email away from Flags is hidden
Speaker 1: and where he's aimed, you.
Speaker 4: Guys, So Kevin just talked about bottling that tempo. I
Speaker 4: guess i'd put this to Andy and Kevin. Do you
Speaker 4: think what we saw yesterday with the driver is just
Speaker 4: kind of how it is and how it's always going
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 1: The day before it was so fluid and so good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that a perfect like the juxtaposition is like the
Speaker 1: beautiful like like cut he hit off of sixteen on Saturday,
Speaker 1: like versus the beauty of the just like a like
Speaker 1: never had a chance, like he missed it so big.
Speaker 1: It was good on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it's probably that's what's going to
Speaker 2: be like for from now on. That It's just I
Speaker 2: don't think he's ever going to get the driver figured out.
Speaker 2: But I wish that he would just basically do the
Speaker 2: Nicholas thing where it's just like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: don't care what the shape of the hole is. I'm
Speaker 2: going to play a cut from now on and that's
Speaker 2: what's going to be my sort of go to thing,
Speaker 2: and and that's I'm just gonna shape everything. So even
Speaker 2: on like thirteen and Augusta, either take it up over
Speaker 2: the trees or just say like, yeah, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: kind of flirt with the trees there and then cut
Speaker 2: it back into the middle of the fairway or or
Speaker 2: hit three wind because he just I don't know, he
Speaker 2: was still trying at times to kind of like turn
Speaker 2: it over, and I just don't think he can do
Speaker 2: that anymore with whatever is going on with this new swing.
Speaker 2: That's just not his not going to be ever going
Speaker 2: to be his strength. And so can he win a
Speaker 2: major like with this new swing, Like yeah, if it's
Speaker 2: a course where he doesn't have to hit that many
Speaker 2: drivers or stuff. Yeah, I went from being like thinking
Speaker 2: that he was going to be like a ryder Cup
Speaker 2: liability to thinking like, man, play this guy an alternate shot,
Speaker 2: so he only has to hit like three four drivers
Speaker 2: in round and the other partner gets to hit the
Speaker 2: other ones, and his iron play is gonna be unbelievable.
Speaker 2: He's all of a sudden looking like a great alternate.
Speaker 1: Shot player, especially with the artiste.
Speaker 4: That's right, So did he hit so many drivers yesterday
Speaker 4: because he felt like I had that he was behind
Speaker 4: or just it didn't matter.
Speaker 2: That's just what the course of demand, whether you're in
Speaker 2: front or behind, you got a hit driver.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it was soft too, like it you
Speaker 1: know that that that iron just doesn't didn't chase. You know,
Speaker 1: it's zoija wet zoija. Yeah, like it like the like
Speaker 1: the approach shots from Kopka and who is he playing
Speaker 1: with god Scott on eight? Like they both hit like
Speaker 1: two amazing shots that just like hit ten yards in
Speaker 1: front of the green and just stopped, you know, like
Speaker 1: like low like approaches into that part five And like
Speaker 1: so if he hits that iron, it's flying two fifty,
Speaker 1: it's stopping at two fifty. It's a seventy four hundred
Speaker 1: yard golf course. Like he needed to.
Speaker 2: Hit driver, gotcha, it'scha?
Speaker 1: And that you know something I found. I mean one
Speaker 1: of the guys one of the most impressive things I thought,
Speaker 1: just in general, like my takeaways is justin Thomas, Like
Speaker 1: he putted like crap all week, you know, forty fifth
Speaker 1: and strokes gained putting and fifty six strokes gained around
Speaker 1: the green and like I almost feel like he had
Speaker 1: the best chance to win of anybody in the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like the highest he could have shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I mean, this guy it. I think there's
Speaker 1: like almost like a clear class of player distinction right
Speaker 1: now with JT, DJ and Kopka.
Speaker 2: That sounds right. I peeled off at one point from
Speaker 2: Tiger just because I was like, all right, I want
Speaker 2: to go watch a little bit of JT, because I
Speaker 2: think he had gotten it too, within a shot of Kopka,
Speaker 2: and I watched him miss the seven footer or whatever
Speaker 2: on nine because he had to hit a bump and
Speaker 2: then he missed the comebacker and it was sort of over.
Speaker 2: I think he burded the next hole after like hitting
Speaker 2: it off a guy's head, but man, like it was JT's.
Speaker 2: He's going to be a competitive in every PGA I
Speaker 2: think forever. I mean he he and Kepka might just
Speaker 2: trade PGA's back and forth. For a long time.
Speaker 1: It's like this, there's a recipe with and Tiger created
Speaker 1: this recipe, and you know, with technology, it's kind of
Speaker 1: evolved into this game. It's it's can't drive it far
Speaker 1: and straight, become unbelievably good with your short irons and
Speaker 1: wedges and put the living day lights out. Like last
Speaker 1: week JT putted was lights out with the putter and
Speaker 1: Kepka couldn't make anything at Firestone. This week, Kopka made
Speaker 1: putts and JT didn't make putt and that was the difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good won. I mean six strokes behind. He
Speaker 4: just seemed shuffed bird knives sorry, pissed at the end
Speaker 4: of the end of the day. You know, he seemed
Speaker 4: really really pissed, like I cannot believe I'm only ten under.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he kind of gave him, gave away
Speaker 1: some shots down the stretch because once he missed that
Speaker 1: that short one on uh was it fourteen or thirteen,
Speaker 1: he missed a second short putt and that, yeah, to
Speaker 1: me kind of was like he knew he had no
Speaker 1: shot there is I mean, it's such that it always
Speaker 1: goes back to that margin like to win is just
Speaker 1: so small, Like is it the same. You saw the
Speaker 1: same thing with Scott on seventeen when he missed that putt.
Speaker 1: You know, then he makes a bogie on eighteen, like
Speaker 1: you know, you could tell like on his face after
Speaker 1: he missed that putt on seventeen, he knew that was
Speaker 1: his chance because it was one It would have been
Speaker 1: one shot going into eighteen, but he missed that six
Speaker 1: footer just slides off and it's like, man, it's over.
Speaker 1: And that's like one of the hardest things I think
Speaker 1: with golf. It's like, you know, once he once, you know,
Speaker 1: you missed your opportunity because that's like the smallest you know,
Speaker 1: it's the smallest thing, and for Adam Scott it has
Speaker 1: to be you know, devastating. You wonder how many is
Speaker 1: this his last real major? Chant?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt, you know, I don't know what Adam
Speaker 2: Scott was thinking with the two putters. I were joking
Speaker 2: the night before because I saw him on the putting
Speaker 2: green with the short putter, and I guess they were
Speaker 2: showing it on Golf Channel too, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is nuts. Man. You're like, you're you're in the
Speaker 2: final group of major and you're trying to think about
Speaker 2: a putter change the night before, and I guess Duvall
Speaker 2: was like going on on say TV, being like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's just a drill or whatever. But then
Speaker 2: he shows up with two putters like the next day
Speaker 2: and he's got him both in the bag, and it's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I'm gonna use the long puts. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: use the short putter. But on short puts, somebody's a
Speaker 2: long putter. Well, at what point do you decide this
Speaker 2: is a long putt versus like feet do you look
Speaker 2: in your green reading book and decide like, all right,
Speaker 2: outside this shaded area, that's a that's gonna be a
Speaker 2: long putt, this is gonna be a short putt. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think you can have that kind of indecision.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like Adam Scott legitimately still had a
Speaker 2: chance like he could have had the last two. He
Speaker 2: hit a bad drive on seventeen, but he managed to
Speaker 2: lay up pretty well and then he hit a pretty
Speaker 2: you know, to six feet and he spent forever looking
Speaker 2: over that putt and then he just hit a normal
Speaker 2: kind of Adams got putt, which he just didn't either
Speaker 2: read it right or hit it far enough, So yeah.
Speaker 4: I think, uh, we tend to view Adam Scott is
Speaker 4: just kind of emotionless. It's like this, you know, good
Speaker 4: looking guy and with the perfect swaying and kind of
Speaker 4: he just he doesn't He doesn't we you know, outside
Speaker 4: of the fist pump of the masters, we don't see
Speaker 4: him kind of react or remote in one way or
Speaker 4: the other too often. He has some kind of searing
Speaker 4: quotes for the USGA every now and then, but like
Speaker 4: he's just pretty kind of steady all the time. I
Speaker 4: thought you could read like the read and see the
Speaker 4: devast that he was pretty devastated, like they in between
Speaker 4: all the stuff about Brooks and Tiger, Like they showed
Speaker 4: him in scoring and he just kind of looked spent,
Speaker 4: exhausted and crushed. And I think one of the Aussie
Speaker 4: riders wrote that he like he was legitimately like devastated
Speaker 4: by the loss. And the fact that we're talking about
Speaker 4: a guy with two hunters in his bag, you know
Speaker 4: that close, and that you know, devastating about not winning
Speaker 4: is kind of a testament to all the other parts.
Speaker 2: Of his game. He was a great tweet. It was
Speaker 2: like he brought two knives to a gunfight.
Speaker 1: The motions, I won't ever forget his face, like that
Speaker 1: might be a lasting image for me. Is like of
Speaker 1: his career is his face when that Putt slid off
Speaker 1: on seventeen. That's what his career kind of if you
Speaker 1: when you think about his long like long term scope
Speaker 1: is like it's going to be a lot of close calls.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just think it's so hard to get into
Speaker 2: contention at a major. It's like you're when you'd let
Speaker 2: one slip away, It's like the sissifust thing, You're sliding
Speaker 2: all the way back down there out if every time
Speaker 2: Rory doesn't win a Masters, it's like you have to
Speaker 2: wait an entire year just to try to get back
Speaker 2: into contention. And that's what's so like devastating. I think
Speaker 2: when you led a major slip away, it's just like, God,
Speaker 2: when am I ever gonna how am I going to
Speaker 2: put in all the work just to get back to
Speaker 2: this moment just to have another chance, much less to
Speaker 2: win another one of these.
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Speaker 2: So andy.
Speaker 4: On that topic, I would say, you know, we heard
Speaker 4: a lot about the leaderboard, how great it was. Would
Speaker 4: you know Adam Scott has not been good since really
Speaker 4: you know the beginning of twenty seventeen. Thomas Peters has
Speaker 4: not been good this year. Shane Lowry has been not
Speaker 4: good this year. He switched caddies. You know, his caddy
Speaker 4: I think fired him in between you know, the first
Speaker 4: and second round at the Open. Like he's not and
Speaker 4: he's battling to make the FedEx Cup, like Lowry Peters,
Speaker 4: Like there were names of guys who've not played well
Speaker 4: on the leaderboard as well. Does that say something about
Speaker 4: the venue so.
Speaker 1: Or no, it's it's interesting. I think these guys can
Speaker 1: turn it around on a dime, like we see it
Speaker 1: all the time, like Gary Woodland hasn't been playing well,
Speaker 1: played really well this week. But that being said, like
Speaker 1: I think the course kept more guys in it because
Speaker 1: it's a common It's not all the course, it's it's
Speaker 1: part of it was the conditioning, Like how soft it was,
Speaker 1: Like it didn't to me. I'll think about this and
Speaker 1: think Brooks, it shouldn't have been as close as it
Speaker 1: was on Sunday with as many people as there were.
Speaker 1: But I think the guy that won was supposed to win,
Speaker 1: you know, so in a sense like so something that's interesting,
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been I've been talking with big
Speaker 1: data golf, getting in with big data. So Saturday's round
Speaker 1: at Belle Reeve had the lowest standard deviation of any
Speaker 1: major championship round in the last ten years and any
Speaker 1: PGA tour around this entire season. So like the lowest
Speaker 1: kind of fluctuation of scores. So to me, like it
Speaker 1: seemed like Belle Reeve was a course that was really
Speaker 1: pretty easy to shoot around even par and really hard
Speaker 1: to shoot really low, if that makes sense. So what
Speaker 1: it did is it didn't allow for big separation.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a course like we see with
Speaker 1: Augusta almost every year is where the leaders kind of
Speaker 1: really separate the class and it's a smaller field, so
Speaker 1: that goes into it. But you know, Brooks either way,
Speaker 1: like Shinnacock for example, was the herd biggest standard deviation
Speaker 1: of any any major or any tournament this year, which
Speaker 1: comes as no surprise also, but you know, when we
Speaker 1: look at it, like the venue kept a lot of people,
Speaker 1: but is that good? You know, like it was an
Speaker 1: exciting leaderboard because of how many people weren't it. You know,
Speaker 1: the question is like it was like do you want
Speaker 1: the great players of the week to separate themselves?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was wondering if that PGA's brand ought to
Speaker 2: be like not only boring courses, but just water the
Speaker 2: heck out of them so that they're really wet everywhere,
Speaker 2: and that that should they should just completely dumb water
Speaker 2: on anything they can so that a little more likely
Speaker 2: that good players are able to rise to the top
Speaker 2: of the leader board.
Speaker 1: I got there was my mentions this week where it
Speaker 1: was a dark It was a very dark place. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I think people have this mentality of like that,
Speaker 1: Like I was like just watching golf and anger the
Speaker 1: whole week, and it's like I like love watching golf,
Speaker 1: like you know, and like I think there's like an irony,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I've played amateur golf my whole life,
Speaker 1: and like the courses I hate, like a architecture aficionado,
Speaker 1: are the courses I enjoy playing tournament golf at the
Speaker 1: most because like they fit my skill set the best,
Speaker 1: Like I hit the ball straight and far when I
Speaker 1: play well, like and I'm an average putter, So I
Speaker 1: like playing somewhere which like gets rid of half the
Speaker 1: field and everybody after round one, look at all the variety,
Speaker 1: Look at all the variety, Like there there was no variety.
Speaker 1: Every player plays the exact same style of play down
Speaker 1: the stretch, Like it was all like bombers, Like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not they're the best players in the world, Like
Speaker 1: it got the best players in the world at the top.
Speaker 1: But like none of the guys in the top ten
Speaker 1: are short hitters. Like someone is like Molinari's short. It's
Speaker 1: like Molinari hits it like three oh five on average,
Speaker 1: Like that's not sure so to me, Like at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, like the tournament unfolded exactly how
Speaker 1: we said it was gonna unfold before, Like the bombers
Speaker 1: are it was gonna be bombers, and like brooks Kopka
Speaker 1: was like the best bomber.
Speaker 2: You know, who's like the shortest hitter on the top
Speaker 2: twenty five of that leaderboard.
Speaker 1: Is Shae Revey. Shaye Revey who led the field in
Speaker 1: strokes gainer pro or second in strokes gainer approach, so
Speaker 1: he was you know, it took a career performance with
Speaker 1: his irons to get him there.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes when you think about like how to explain
Speaker 2: to people, like what makes it like a different kind
Speaker 2: of venue that you can play different styles and be competitive,
Speaker 2: Like I think you think about like the twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: like British Open, like we think about that leaderboard, Zach
Speaker 2: Johnson wins, but like Jason Day almost you know, was
Speaker 2: like right there, Speaker's right there, Leishman was there. Dj
Speaker 2: dominated the first two days, like, those are guys who
Speaker 2: are playing a different golf course, each of them, and
Speaker 2: you're they're all able to be competitive because you just
Speaker 2: play to your style. And that's part of the reason
Speaker 2: why the old course is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes to variety everything, and.
Speaker 2: Then you can both things can be true.
Speaker 4: You can have a good tournament and a good leader
Speaker 4: board and the venue still stink and boring golf. I
Speaker 4: mean the players. The players said it themselves, like Andy,
Speaker 4: you don't need to defend the players. You don't need
Speaker 4: to defend yourself. The players said as much. It's all
Speaker 4: right in front of you. There is no strategy. Pep
Speaker 4: Perez was hilarious. He goes, I mean, I don't want
Speaker 4: to say there's no strategy, but you know, yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean he just kind of hit it as far as
Speaker 4: you can hit it on the green butt and there's
Speaker 4: like locked himself down an alley, didn't know how to
Speaker 4: get out as great. The players said.
Speaker 1: It, they didn't even play practice rounds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't need to practice, you don't need to
Speaker 4: scout it. You hit it as far as you can
Speaker 4: and there's not a lot of the green.
Speaker 2: Tiger never saw the first the seven, eight nine until
Speaker 2: he played them on Thursday. That's how like not strategy
Speaker 2: important it was he never he was playing them blind,
Speaker 2: like literally he just didn't play them.
Speaker 4: So these are these are the three truths. There wasn't
Speaker 4: strategy involved and that's fine. The leaderboard and the championship
Speaker 4: were still exciting. And three they spent a ton of
Speaker 4: money to dive their cart paths. Brown, I will take.
Speaker 1: From what I hear that Belle Reeves is going to
Speaker 1: be a different course here pretty soon. So really, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like one of those people. One of the
Speaker 1: things like.
Speaker 2: I think like is Ree's gonna get another crack at it?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no. Sounds like they're going
Speaker 1: in a different direction.
Speaker 4: There are another Jones, like some like thirty year old Jones,
Speaker 4: and it just kind of I think.
Speaker 1: That actually Trent works for rt J two. Oh nice, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hear he's a really nice guy.
Speaker 2: So look, I'm sure the Jones family is all really nice.
Speaker 2: People are like getting this like a lot of this
Speaker 2: is the wrong way, is it? Like somehow in some
Speaker 2: of these discussions that we don't like the people. We
Speaker 2: think they're bad people. Like if you put something out there,
Speaker 2: if you make art, you have to sort of be
Speaker 2: willing to have it, you know, be critiqued. And I
Speaker 2: think that Andy's always really fair in his critiques. And
Speaker 2: so this idea that all these Saint Louis people thought
Speaker 2: that somehow he was shitting on Saint Louis was just silly.
Speaker 2: Like Andy and I played one of the I think
Speaker 2: the funnest courses in the whole country on Tuesday in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis and couldn't say enough nice things about it,
Speaker 2: And seeing the difference between the two was was obvious
Speaker 2: once he stepped on the bell reef properties.
Speaker 1: I think one of my like my problems with just
Speaker 1: in general is like what happens is that this week
Speaker 1: people watch this and they they say, hey, this is
Speaker 1: this is what and just in general is what happens
Speaker 1: is the American public and the golf it thinks that
Speaker 1: this is what great golf is, like in general, like
Speaker 1: the golf, this is what a great golf course is.
Speaker 1: And that's that's where I think the struggle is. It's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest struggles of American golf is that
Speaker 1: that people can't play the greatest golf courses in America
Speaker 1: like they're the most exclusive places and for the most part,
Speaker 1: like a trip to Bandon or a trip to stream
Speaker 1: Song or Sand Valley like that, that's a once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime trip for most people. And that's the that's
Speaker 1: kind of the underlying issue is like people go, they
Speaker 1: see Belle Reeve and they think this hard style of
Speaker 1: golf is the best golf. But like you know, Saint
Speaker 1: Louis Country Club is like one of the most fun
Speaker 1: golf courses in the Midwest and one of my favorite,
Speaker 1: but unfortunately not a lot of people are going to
Speaker 1: ever see that. And it's this type of golf. Like
Speaker 1: a good example is like these guys so seventy four
Speaker 1: hundred yards and these guys shot two sixty four, Brooks
Speaker 1: shot and Tray for example, Trinity Forrest, Aaron Wise shot
Speaker 1: two six, and they softened the course, slowed it down,
Speaker 1: played it shorter than it really is to like make
Speaker 1: sure the players were happy there. Like this isn't hard
Speaker 1: golf for the modern era. That's the thing that's like
Speaker 1: my biggest point is that this golf course, like it
Speaker 1: can be a major championship post. That's fine. It like
Speaker 1: we can have a great tournament at it because these
Speaker 1: are the best players in the world. But it's not
Speaker 1: a great golf course because like it's completely unplayable for
Speaker 1: like an eighteen handicap, and it's not even hard for
Speaker 1: a great player like it was. It's an easy golf course.
Speaker 1: We saw it this week, and what on the back
Speaker 1: half of it is like Trinity Forrest is a joy
Speaker 1: to play for an eighteen handicap, and it's still really
Speaker 1: hard for a pro like are still like it's as
Speaker 1: difficult for a pro as Belle reeves. So like you
Speaker 1: have these two ends of the spectrum and it's just
Speaker 1: this type of penal golf design is bad. You know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't good for the golf in America. That's more
Speaker 1: of the overarching point. You know, you can have great
Speaker 1: tournament golf at a bad golf course because you know, Tiger,
Speaker 1: like Jesus the guy made the golf tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. A couple guys had putts for sixty two
Speaker 2: and it was like no one really even cared it, Like,
Speaker 2: wasn't no one was like, oh my gosh, I'm watching
Speaker 2: the greatest round in history. There was just no like
Speaker 2: this course was super ghetto. So I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: that it would have been a little different it had
Speaker 2: been dry, But when is it ever going to be
Speaker 2: dry in August here in Saint Louis, Like you get
Speaker 2: the course that you get when this time of the year.
Speaker 2: So I don't know that. Brooks was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: think they should bring a Ryder Cup here. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but the fans are going to be the Ryder Cups
Speaker 2: and courses are generally kind of like this where it's
Speaker 2: not like it's all that interesting. It's a hazel teine
Speaker 2: or the ball or whatever. So it was sleeping straight.
Speaker 1: It's that's a perfect example of like, you know, golf
Speaker 1: and competitive golf has the ability to upstage a golf course,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's like, you know, the golf course.
Speaker 1: Dismissing that a golf course doesn't matter, though, is extremely
Speaker 1: short sighted. Like you know, like golf courses do play
Speaker 1: a role. It'd be like saying like, hey, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you know, we're gonna have this, We're gonna
Speaker 1: have the Cubs in the Red Sox in the World Series,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter if they play it at Wrigley
Speaker 1: and Fenway. We're gonna play it at minor league stadiums. Instead,
Speaker 1: you know, like the golf course. The golf course plays
Speaker 1: like a significant role in in in a championship, like
Speaker 1: saying it doesn't matter and I and I am no
Speaker 1: way was saying it's the only thing that matters. Like
Speaker 1: I've never said that, and that's what people think I said.
Speaker 2: You know, so what.
Speaker 4: That being said, I guess you probably wait things differently.
Speaker 4: What was the best major this year with eliminated recency bias?
Speaker 2: I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think car newsty was was better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking about it last night. I was like, God,
Speaker 4: I think that might have been the best major this year.
Speaker 4: It was like it also just finished, and I'm like
Speaker 4: coming off the high of it, you know, as opposed
Speaker 4: and you know, the others are more distant memories.
Speaker 2: I don't know, pretty fun majors overall this year, though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: speak's crazy run on Sunday and read holding off everyone
Speaker 2: and basically giving a middle finger to all his haters
Speaker 2: and maybe some of his family. And you have, you know,
Speaker 2: a world class venue in Chinn o'clock, you know, one
Speaker 2: of the five best courses in the world. You got
Speaker 2: a tiger getting in the mix at Carnelstie and speak
Speaker 2: almost like rescuing a terrible year and then completely you know,
Speaker 2: Vullinari coming out of nowhere, and then this one like
Speaker 2: a pretty awesome year of majors, like no clunkers or stinkers.
Speaker 1: I think the most memorable one when we look back
Speaker 1: ten years from now will be maybe the US Open.
Speaker 1: Kinds of a Phil and b that the course, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, but that's right.
Speaker 4: I mean, we think about we think about two thousand
Speaker 4: and four, and we first thing about the you know
Speaker 4: number seven. You know, we don't remember. We know Gooseen won,
Speaker 4: but we don't remember specific shots. We just know the
Speaker 4: USTA f it up.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's weird the things we kind of you know, extract
Speaker 4: from a from a full season of majors.
Speaker 2: How about Phil, Let's let's use that as a segue
Speaker 2: to talk about like he's he's going to be on
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup team, I think, but it's not really
Speaker 2: the maybe the best thing for the US right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like he's gonna be on the Ryder
Speaker 4: Cup team. And I don't know, I heard people lobbying
Speaker 4: for like or I don't know, guessing that he's also
Speaker 4: going to, you know, bring his own captain's pick with them,
Speaker 4: which would be Kevin Kissner was like, that may be right,
Speaker 4: but I just I.
Speaker 2: Wonder that, like if that's like if you should have
Speaker 2: that kind of power this particular Tiger gets to bring
Speaker 2: Bryson and feel like Kisner, like I think Eric just
Speaker 2: basically getting cooked like on his own, Like you're going
Speaker 2: to stand up for himself and be like, look if
Speaker 2: I want to bring Tony Fino, I'm bringing Tony Fino.
Speaker 2: You guys could be the captains when you're the day captain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they'll be. It's I mean they're kind of
Speaker 1: stuck with with Tiger and Phil for Like I don't
Speaker 1: think you're stuck with Tiger after the recently, but like
Speaker 1: I feel like you're stuck with Phil forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's like the problem with America, the American team, Like
Speaker 1: I could see the Europeans not putting Sergio on the team.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll not happen, but I feel like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Sergio, like if he doesn't get picked, he'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, yeah, I didn't play well enough, Like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that, throwing a huge like
Speaker 2: tantrum about. I would love it if Sergio was basically like, look,
Speaker 2: my form isn't there, my phone, me is not there.
Speaker 2: I need to go and you know, like basically be
Speaker 2: a vice captain, like Sergio should take on that role
Speaker 2: because he's gonna be a great Ryder Cup captain someday.
Speaker 2: But Sergio is also super proud and it's gonna say, look,
Speaker 2: no one's been a better Ryder Cupper than me, other
Speaker 2: than Sevy essentially for a long time, and I deserve
Speaker 2: the chance to see if I can sort of find
Speaker 2: my form there. I mean, Jorn might not see it
Speaker 2: the same way, but Sergio has not exactly been someone
Speaker 2: who like shows that he's obviously a different person now
Speaker 2: than he was when he was younger. But I could
Speaker 2: see some of that old kind of Sergio pride coming
Speaker 2: out and saying like, come on, man, like I I
Speaker 2: made the Ryder Cup team in Europe for these people.
Speaker 4: Hey, I gathered was that Jorn is putting him on there?
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Uh you know who led the PGA and Birdies.
Speaker 2: If you know, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you he's gonna
Speaker 2: be a great floorball player. If they just put him
Speaker 2: on the team.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the thing that I find sad is
Speaker 1: Like that's what bugs me, is like, you know, like Phil,
Speaker 1: I get why Phil. Like Phil is a ratings guy.
Speaker 1: He sells tickets. He he like attracts the casual golf fan.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has as big of an impact
Speaker 1: as people think. But he is a needle mover and
Speaker 1: he moves it like a fraction of a tenth a
Speaker 1: tenth of a fraction. I don't think that's possible since
Speaker 1: a fraction is but that tiger does. But he like
Speaker 1: moves the needle. But like Tony fen Now should be
Speaker 1: on the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: We talked so much about the captain's picks right after
Speaker 4: the auto points close that like these things changed so much,
Speaker 4: I think more than we remember in the like three
Speaker 4: to four weeks before the picks are made. Like Ryan
Speaker 4: Moore was just not involved in this point twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: Billy Horschell was not even like anywhere on the radar
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. Like I think there's somebody outside of
Speaker 4: that group that I'm sorry, could win a window or
Speaker 4: couldn't win, you know, Windham Philly or Windham, Jersey, you know,
Speaker 4: somewhere one of the two legs. I think it's just
Speaker 4: there's the ability to really force Fuix's hand. You know,
Speaker 4: we think the universe is pretty limited, but sometimes you know,
Speaker 4: there's guys that come from outside that outside that, you know,
Speaker 4: that small group of four or five guys.
Speaker 2: We think we have to know who are the vice
Speaker 2: captain's going to be? For Furick, if assuming that Phil
Speaker 2: and Tiger are on the team, is it Stricker? I
Speaker 2: assume since he's going to be the captain and whistling,
Speaker 2: but like, who else is there? I mean, honestly, the
Speaker 2: the ideal scenario for me is that they put Feno
Speaker 2: and Kiddner on the team and at this point Phil
Speaker 2: and Cooch are like vice captains. Could be a Ryder
Speaker 2: Cup captain some day, so put him in the mix
Speaker 2: of like vice captain ships.
Speaker 1: Zach Johnson might be a might be a peck too.
Speaker 1: He might captain's fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, we don't need to reprise that.
Speaker 1: Something on that front. Somebody made a point though, he's
Speaker 1: a good fit for this course. There's tons of lottery,
Speaker 1: drives it straight and he wages it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's Ferich. Remember when Fierick was like he
Speaker 2: wouldn't rule himself out as like a potential forever. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I had been healthy the whole time, and
Speaker 2: we all thought that, uh he did. Love was going
Speaker 2: to pick him as part of the Buddy system until Feerick,
Speaker 2: I think, kind of basically took himself out of the mix.
Speaker 2: Like at these this generation like really sticks up for
Speaker 2: one another, and I don't know that they're going to
Speaker 2: quite uh even if someone wins, I don't know that
Speaker 2: they're going to say he's done, let's take couture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's amazing how much like we forget political capital matters
Speaker 2: for these things, like there's a group that runs. I
Speaker 2: was watching TV last night and David Duvall was talking
Speaker 2: about the Ryder Cup and I was like, why hasn't
Speaker 2: he been a captain? You know, why hasn't he been
Speaker 2: like and Azinger like references I think on either Shane.
Speaker 4: Bacon's pod or I don't know NLU about how like
Speaker 4: there is a specific click that's running the whole operation.
Speaker 4: Now he's not a part of it. You know, he's
Speaker 4: he did his thing, but like there's there are these
Speaker 4: clicks that run the whole thing, and you know it
Speaker 4: gets political, and I don't know. It was just weird
Speaker 4: how how things change. And watching Duval is like he
Speaker 4: won a major, Perich won one major. Duval had probably
Speaker 4: a better career than Purich. Maybe maybe not, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but like it's just weird how we decide who's in
Speaker 4: the group.
Speaker 2: And who's not.
Speaker 1: That's the Furich Deval debates interesting because like do you
Speaker 1: do you this is? This is my Ernie? Phil take
Speaker 1: this is the same thing, Like do you like Phil's
Speaker 1: longevity into his like late forties, Trump's Ernie, But Ernie
Speaker 1: in his thirties was like way better than Phil, like
Speaker 1: prime versus prime, like the other thing. Phil didn't win
Speaker 1: a major till the prov one came out, like Ernie
Speaker 1: ernyeone when it was a game that had more skill.
Speaker 1: This is but the Deval. The thing is the Deval
Speaker 1: is a shorter career but more much more dominant career
Speaker 1: than than Furick. But Furix was longer sustained success.
Speaker 2: I feel like you have to, like, if you go
Speaker 2: into television stuff, I think it becomes a little bit
Speaker 2: harder to become a part of the Ryder Cup click
Speaker 2: because you have to to do television, well, you have
Speaker 2: to be critical of players. And so then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, like it's like Phil like lashing out at
Speaker 2: Brandle on that ship nook piece. Like Phil, it's expected
Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, I think everyone should it should be
Speaker 2: the job of the people to lift up golf instead
Speaker 2: of tear other people down. Well, you know that's not
Speaker 2: an analyst's job. An analyst should be like tethered to
Speaker 2: the truth, not to like boosting the game. And so
Speaker 2: I don't obviously devall it was. He hasn't been in
Speaker 2: that TV that long. But if he'd probably in choosing
Speaker 2: that path in some ways makes it hard for him
Speaker 2: to ever really get back into it if he if
Speaker 2: he was tomorrow, like I really want to be a
Speaker 2: Ryder Cup captain, I think they'd be like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that's sorry, that's not happening.
Speaker 1: It also goes into playing in Ryder Cups late in
Speaker 1: your career. Longevity bridges it like because like you know, Deveolp,
Speaker 1: somebody say might say, oh, he doesn't really understand the
Speaker 1: modern game, you know, because he's not around these mod
Speaker 1: he's not around the guys all the time. When you're
Speaker 1: forty when you're forty six and still playing on tour
Speaker 1: at a semi at a like a competitive level, Like
Speaker 1: you know these guys and there's that camaraderie. You know,
Speaker 1: it's the same reason that you know cooocher. I still
Speaker 1: think he's going to get thick because he's a great
Speaker 1: teamroom guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also malleable.
Speaker 4: He will play with anyone, like he will play with
Speaker 4: Bubba and then he will play with DJ like he
Speaker 4: just plays with He just he doesn't mind playing with anybody.
Speaker 2: That that is a nast.
Speaker 1: Here's a hypothetical, like what if Stewart had out battled
Speaker 1: Tiger down the stretch and been like the guy that
Speaker 1: like disrupted that won two majors over like the greatest
Speaker 1: story in sports two tones. That was a distinct thought, like.
Speaker 2: The most innocent hated man of all time. Dude Sing's
Speaker 2: a good dude and it. Yeah, it was funny to
Speaker 2: hear him talk about. They were asking like what was
Speaker 2: like to play with Tiger and he was like, man,
Speaker 2: I played with Tiger a lot back in the day.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot, Like I remember a lot of
Speaker 2: Sundays where he didn't quite say it, but you could
Speaker 2: tell he was like mentally clicking, like I just got dusted,
Speaker 2: and it was similar to that. It's like Stuart Thing
Speaker 2: like came to the microphone that day with like the
Speaker 2: perspective of a guy who's seen some shit and they
Speaker 2: like the current generation just now figuring out, like what
Speaker 2: it was like to play with bonkers crowds and people
Speaker 2: moving every time you hit your shot and no one
Speaker 2: cheering for you and stuff. It was like I want
Speaker 2: to sit there and hear sink till Tiger, like playing
Speaker 2: with Tiger stories for ten minutes.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a shame that I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know. I would have loved to
Speaker 1: have JT in that like Tiger group on Sunday. You know,
Speaker 1: like Gary Woodland's a great player, He's a really good
Speaker 1: PGA Tour pro, but like what Gary, Gary's experience on
Speaker 1: Sunday was unlike anything anybody else felt, and like it
Speaker 1: would have been such a like to have JT making
Speaker 1: that run like that he made in the middle of
Speaker 1: the round with Tiger, Like I mean, that would have
Speaker 1: been unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it would have been cool. JT would have
Speaker 2: definitely embraced it. It was funny, like JT. They were like
Speaker 2: showing Tiger like highlights on the board when JT was
Speaker 2: like trying to make birdies, and even he was kind
Speaker 2: of joking about how that was pretty freaky cool to
Speaker 2: like be in the mix with Tiger in a tournament,
Speaker 2: you know, in a major.
Speaker 1: So I Tiger has like this straight up yeps off
Speaker 1: the tea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah man true.
Speaker 1: I mean the iron he hit on thirteen was like
Speaker 1: a shank. Yeah, he missed the faarawah by like thirty yards.
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking back if I had, like.
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable to see him like hit an iron
Speaker 2: on Sunday or whatever, and he's like he would twirl
Speaker 2: it and like walk away and it would like end
Speaker 2: up in the bunker. Like even he wasn't. It was
Speaker 2: weird to see him not even like do the thing
Speaker 2: where he kind of holds it, gets pissed or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think some of those irons he thought he sort
Speaker 2: of stripped and they were still missing fairways. It was bizarre.
Speaker 1: It's I it was something else. I uh so uh pga.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I feel like we're still in
Speaker 1: the same spot we were before the tournament. It was
Speaker 1: like one of it was, you know, it'll be one
Speaker 1: of the best best PGAs of you know, I mean
Speaker 1: the best PGA of all time over the last ten
Speaker 1: years before this one was Tiger ye Yang.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then that one. You know, it sort
Speaker 2: of ended with the thud unless you were sort of
Speaker 2: pulling for the underdog. So I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: I think if we're ready to overrated, underrated, I'm ready
Speaker 2: to say PGA underrated. I was, yeah, I would say that.
Speaker 4: I'll say this and to make it extremely personal, Ah,
Speaker 4: I was happy I wasn't going, and now I have
Speaker 4: serious fault, like I'm pissed I didn't go.
Speaker 2: It looked sweet at the start of the week.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I am just quite happy and
Speaker 4: contented to sit fat and happy on my couch and
Speaker 4: watch this on TV. And I really wish I was
Speaker 4: there this week.
Speaker 2: You were on a heater on Twitter all week though
Speaker 2: you were you had a really you had an excellent
Speaker 2: week on just with some great tweets. I gotta say
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 4: I mean, useless and least valuable skill in the world.
Speaker 2: I was doing it well. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: The fact that I'm like driving distance away and didn't
Speaker 1: drive down. It kind of makes me sad, like.
Speaker 2: Credential too, Like it wasn't like you would have had
Speaker 2: to buy a ticket. You could have walked within the
Speaker 2: ropes with seen Tiger with us, and you decided to
Speaker 2: go have burritos and.
Speaker 1: Said, but this is the one thing I will say, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody watched Brooks like like that's like I
Speaker 1: think that's where I mean. So here's an interesting thing
Speaker 1: with like the PGA is the PGA Championship To me,
Speaker 1: the more I think about it, seems to embrace the event,
Speaker 1: like and going to the event, which when you think
Speaker 1: about the future of golf and just sports in general,
Speaker 1: like the event is becoming like going to the events
Speaker 1: becoming less and less a part of the sport. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like you know that I couldn't believe how
Speaker 1: big that merchandise tent was, Like the amount of infrastructure
Speaker 1: you need to host some PGA championship is insane, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that's like the reality, and like to go
Speaker 1: like to go to places like Saint Louis, there's only
Speaker 1: one course that can host it, And to me, that's
Speaker 1: like one of the biggest problems is that, like with
Speaker 1: the way major championship golf is now, and like the
Speaker 1: way they have to make money, Like the PGA made
Speaker 1: so much money this week, like so much money? Is
Speaker 1: that limit where you can go? There's I think there's
Speaker 1: only probably like thirty courses around the country that can
Speaker 1: feasibly host a major championship.
Speaker 4: Maywhere they go, Now, go Page Harding, Park, Uh, Trump, Bedminsters.
Speaker 2: In there, which will be interesting. You know.
Speaker 4: It's just it's a lot of like O kill Yeah,
Speaker 4: next three are that Page Harding, Park, Koa, and then
Speaker 4: Trump that Bedminster. I think that's the next four and
Speaker 4: a big, big, big public courses except for Trump's.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like like Trinity Fort is a great example. It
Speaker 1: can host a PGA Tour event, but it can't host
Speaker 1: a PGA.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Enough, there's not enough space ground.
Speaker 2: We know what the study is thinking about. You were
Speaker 2: talking about how much you hated the third hole, and
Speaker 2: I think the reason that that had to play like
Speaker 2: one thirty or one forty or whatever. The bats were
Speaker 2: covered by a corporate tent. Oh god, yeah, to comment
Speaker 2: and commodate the tenths, they had to put them over it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I literally like walked up to that hole.
Speaker 1: It makes so much more sense. Like when I walked
Speaker 1: up to that hole, I was like, my god, this
Speaker 1: might be the worst short part three I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life life. And like I got a lot
Speaker 1: of heat for like saying it was a horrible hole.
Speaker 1: But then I found out that, like there's a tea
Speaker 1: like one hundred and seventy yards out, and it makes
Speaker 1: so much more sense. It's like a legitimate hole. But
Speaker 1: like the way it was set up, it was like
Speaker 1: nobody made a bogie on a par three and a
Speaker 1: major championship and I had like the biggest part doesn't matter, guy,
Speaker 1: But the only scores on the hole for the day
Speaker 1: were two or three. How how is that even possible?
Speaker 4: Wow, that is some good on the ground insight. That
Speaker 4: is kind of a farce. They put a ten over
Speaker 4: a tea box. Yeah, I mean well that is the
Speaker 4: starkest example of how these things are are kind of
Speaker 4: these things are events.
Speaker 6: Eighteenth hole, Kylie, I'm joking about this, but like the
Speaker 6: eighteenth hole was backed up against a road and then
Speaker 6: like we were laughing about like thinking about jim Nantz,
Speaker 6: like you know, calling like the sort of the majestic like,
Speaker 6: and then there's trucks like driving by, like all the
Speaker 6: big semi trailers, whether they had to set up or
Speaker 6: like just you can hear the generators like humming.
Speaker 2: Like it was not exactly like the pristine sort of beautiful.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm sure Seas hit it well in the cameras,
Speaker 2: but it looked like it was backed up against, you know,
Speaker 2: a construction site. Essentially.
Speaker 4: You try to think of these, Yeah, these majors, I'll
Speaker 4: never forget. You think these courses are like these bucolic
Speaker 4: classic setups. I'll never forget at Oakmond during a rain
Speaker 4: to like watching people pile in a porta potty to
Speaker 4: shield themselves from the rain.
Speaker 2: So it's filthy, like disgusting.
Speaker 4: It's just like, oh god, generators everywhere, these trucks everywhere.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of like you can lose sight
Speaker 4: of the course. It's a big major sport.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited for the first no attendance golf tournament.
Speaker 1: And I don't know when it's gonna happen, but I
Speaker 1: hope it's in like the next five years.
Speaker 2: Already. Tory when when what's his name? When the weather
Speaker 2: delay ad meant that uh Schneiker had to play in
Speaker 2: front of no crowds or whatever. That was the no
Speaker 2: attendance golf tournament.
Speaker 1: I'm saying nothing nothing, no no stand, no parking, no hospitality.
Speaker 1: You sell like you know, like you think about the
Speaker 1: costs that go into it, and that's part of where
Speaker 1: all this. But like all the benefits for a sponsor
Speaker 1: are digital. I know that they have these like pro
Speaker 1: am stuff, but like the the the digital benefits are
Speaker 1: all that matters in the modern world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was going to have our Hickory
Speaker 2: Club Championship at National Golf Links. That'll be the one
Speaker 2: where you have to hitchhike into National Golf Links and
Speaker 2: no cell phones are allowed. And that's it.
Speaker 4: I mean, Kio, it should be the one. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: players go out to the end of the island. You know,
Speaker 4: nobody else does. Nobody has to sit in at the shuttle,
Speaker 4: which we still hear, you know, war stories about this day.
Speaker 2: That that should be the one.
Speaker 1: Do you think I kept out there? I could book
Speaker 1: an airbnb like now for that major. Hey, I want
Speaker 1: to rent this house like four years from now for
Speaker 1: this week, not for cheap all right, let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: do uh, let's do overrated underrated. H All right, let's
Speaker 1: say uh Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm gonna say underrated. Yeah. I had some really
Speaker 2: good barbecue this week and uh, you know, played an
Speaker 2: awesome course in Saint Louis Country Club and uh, even
Speaker 2: though the fans were mean to me because I was
Speaker 2: making fun of their the boring course and bell reeve,
Speaker 2: I still enjoy it. So underrated I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't there, so I can't really speak
Speaker 4: to it. I'd say underrated. Despite Yeah, underrated. They I
Speaker 4: think they kind of up their check out about being
Speaker 4: great sports fans, which maybe it's deserved, but it sounds
Speaker 4: like from all accounts, the players loved it. I kind
Speaker 4: of hate when you do those questions we did in DC, Like,
Speaker 4: hey man, Tiger, what'd you think of the fans coming
Speaker 4: back to DC?
Speaker 2: What are you say? What's you going to say? God?
Speaker 2: These guys are just asshole. Let me, I need to
Speaker 2: have a quick rand about this. That is the most
Speaker 2: thirsty behavior ever by media people, and it drives me bonkers.
Speaker 2: And it look it just scene comes off as so
Speaker 2: small town and like provincial and look, if they do
Speaker 2: it in Baltimore too. I'm sure if they did it
Speaker 2: held the championship in Montana, people the Montana media would
Speaker 2: do the same thing. But it just like in the
Speaker 2: final press conference when you got you know, someone's asking
Speaker 2: Brooks Koepka like, how awesome were the fans? Can you
Speaker 2: can you say, Brooks, like, could you just say a
Speaker 2: few words about the Saint Louis fans? Come on, that
Speaker 2: is not journalism. You're doing pr for the Saint Louis
Speaker 2: like commerce chapter, Like, grow up and do real journalism please.
Speaker 4: I would like I would like the one guy they're
Speaker 4: all right. I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys will get another major. I'm not talking
Speaker 4: about Saint Louis specifically. I'm just saying generally, I would
Speaker 4: love for someone just to kind of like flip it
Speaker 4: around so that local newscast, you know, News Team five
Speaker 4: doesn't have there sound kept Go was our chance.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that's fine.
Speaker 1: They asked it. I guess Kepka's uncle or uncle played
Speaker 1: on The Cardinals and one World Series with the Cargo,
Speaker 1: and they asked him about it, and kept Goo was
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know, he
Speaker 1: like knew nothing, and it's like, how did you not
Speaker 1: expect that question? But I you know, Saint Louis as
Speaker 1: a Cubs fan, way over rated, you know, as a
Speaker 1: Chicago But they did a great job this week. I
Speaker 1: got to give credit where credits due. They did a
Speaker 1: great job. It would only be better if it wasn't
Speaker 1: in August. It was so it was so human down there.
Speaker 1: But uh, but yeah, it was a it was a
Speaker 1: they did. They did a great job. They deserve they
Speaker 1: deserve a golf course that can you know they That's
Speaker 1: the sad thing is there's for me, is there's one
Speaker 1: golf course there that can host, you know, and uh,
Speaker 1: and that that is the reality of most cities is
Speaker 1: that there's one golf course to host and it's not
Speaker 1: the course you would most want to see the championship at.
Speaker 1: So underrated or I guess, yeah, underrated for championship. I
Speaker 1: think like the small town thing is underrated. I listened
Speaker 1: a lot in Nelly this week. That was that was awesome,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I listened to an hour of
Speaker 1: it last night.
Speaker 2: But uh, definitely the country grammar a couple of times
Speaker 2: because I said it should be like, you know, our
Speaker 2: national anthem, and so uh yeah.
Speaker 4: Hot ship when that when the base comes on, Well
Speaker 4: think about that.
Speaker 2: The beginning of E, I though, was like, I'm a
Speaker 2: sucker for cornrows and manicured toes, Philly Philly capri pants
Speaker 2: and parachute toes or something like. That's a that's a
Speaker 2: great opening line.
Speaker 1: What what about you couldn't hold me if your last
Speaker 1: name was hand? You know?
Speaker 2: Can I talk about.
Speaker 4: The absurdity that Nelly and Tim McGrath did a duet?
Speaker 1: Okay, like.
Speaker 4: Top of the charts for like a year, you're looking
Speaker 4: back on that. I was like, what Nellie and Tim McGrath.
Speaker 1: I was looking at this. I was listening to Just
Speaker 1: a Dream last night. It's an older it's a it's
Speaker 1: a later stage Nellie song or R and B, but
Speaker 1: I legitimately was listening to it and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this song's about Cat, you know, and it's like all
Speaker 1: about how he misses this girl and like he just
Speaker 1: wants her back, and like, listening to it after what
Speaker 1: just happened, I was like, man, it's so good to
Speaker 1: have Cat back. Like this is what I felt for
Speaker 1: like the last five years. Yeah, uh, overrated, underrated Ricky
Speaker 1: fell Her.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm gonna say overrated. Uh, I mean
Speaker 2: at this point, like it was there for the taking.
Speaker 2: I know he was a little bit hurt, and that'll
Speaker 2: be the thing that everyone sort of says, you know, well,
Speaker 2: how could you rip on Ricky? He was hurt? You
Speaker 2: know what. Everyone's kind of like a little bit hurt
Speaker 2: out there, Like no one's one hundred percent healthy. The
Speaker 2: the guy with a fused back almost won this championship.
Speaker 2: At some point, Ricky, like, I think you need to
Speaker 2: sort of step up and win one of these You're
Speaker 2: you're everyone thinks you're a great guy, and I seem
Speaker 2: to be, but uh would not Brooks kept it might
Speaker 2: not be a great guy might be winning championships. So
Speaker 2: championships are kind of what people are going to measure
Speaker 2: you on. So it's it's time to to stop getting
Speaker 2: in the mix and not delivering a great round when
Speaker 2: it would give you a championship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's say overrated, just not I mean, not a
Speaker 4: part of the battle. What he should sixty five sixty
Speaker 4: seven To get to the way you were talking about
Speaker 4: Aaron Hills last year, whoever was I think KVB brought
Speaker 4: it up. Yeah, it's just like another sun I was thinking, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: the analogy works because Ricky was there on another Sunday
Speaker 4: where Ricky just was supposed to be a part of
Speaker 4: it and completely was ejected from the broadcast, you know,
Speaker 4: early in the round or it was the Open this
Speaker 4: year he hit when he made a triple in six,
Speaker 4: He's just like, there's you can know you're when you're
Speaker 4: that close that many times and never like he's not
Speaker 4: even like a factor on the back of nind on
Speaker 4: Sunday we saw him at the Masters and make kind
Speaker 4: of you make the charge against Reed, but it's just
Speaker 4: there's he's over.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, And.
Speaker 4: Until I tend to think we forget about how great
Speaker 4: he was closing that Players Championship.
Speaker 2: Like I think great closings ever, I mean, and.
Speaker 4: Like when we had these discussions about him coming up
Speaker 4: short in majors, I think we forget about it quite honestly.
Speaker 2: But I'm going with overrated. When I when I get
Speaker 2: together with the sports writers and reconfigure what the majors
Speaker 2: were retrospectively like they did to my man, I'm just
Speaker 2: going to be like, well that's a major. So Rick
Speaker 2: actually won a major there, psch Like what do you think?
Speaker 2: You know? Serious?
Speaker 1: I U. I always say that winning is overrated. And
Speaker 1: he finished second in the cumulative majors best score. You
Speaker 1: know again, like he's he was a factor. He was
Speaker 1: a factor in all of them in a sense a
Speaker 1: little bit like a weekend like us opened. Maybe not
Speaker 1: he kind of ejected hard, but like he was every weekend.
Speaker 1: He was in the mix. But like at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, has there ever been a major that
Speaker 1: we say he should have won this?
Speaker 2: Like uh no, no, I feel like yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I feel like he should have won Aaron Hills like
Speaker 2: he was in he was a shot back of.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like he he it wasn't like on Sunday,
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna win, Like it's never been that And like,
Speaker 1: to me, it goes back to like he just doesn't win. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't won at a high rate and and
Speaker 1: tour events, so why are we expecting like he contends
Speaker 1: a lot, but like is he really contending?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think there Yeah that's well, but I'm
Speaker 4: not going to get into the theory on a lot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, like DJ he has like three majors
Speaker 1: he should have won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think closing kick is a thing like it.
Speaker 2: You know, he obviously has it sometimes like he the
Speaker 2: fact that he didn't win the Masters might have just
Speaker 2: come down to read banging it off the pin instead
Speaker 2: of putting off the green. But you know, that's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of more instances of where if he had
Speaker 2: played like that, he would have won a major at
Speaker 2: this point, and he just kind of hasn't really done it.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what eventually, you are who you are.
Speaker 2: It's like the thing with the parcels. You are what
Speaker 2: your record says you are.
Speaker 1: That's rick last last question before we get out of here.
Speaker 1: This is going long, but most disappointing season major season.
Speaker 2: Tiger can't belave it in one I would say, DJ, Yeah,
Speaker 2: DJ should one that you was open. I mean, if
Speaker 2: he had taken care of business on the weekend, Kopka
Speaker 2: never really would have had a chance, and he should
Speaker 2: have been in the mix here and backed up. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know why he can't quite figure out Augusta.
Speaker 2: He's obviously a really good links player too. I don't know,
Speaker 2: he's just at some point now DJ's.
Speaker 3: Thirty or young, major like he's as good of a
Speaker 3: player talent wise as Kopka is.
Speaker 2: So I feel like DJ's might pick.
Speaker 4: You know how, Rory Speed, There's some there's some candidates here.
Speaker 4: I tend to agree with DJ with the DJ answer,
Speaker 4: because what you said earlier about Brooks, Brooks, DJ JT
Speaker 4: really being kind of a separate class, I think that's
Speaker 4: true this year. I think Rory searching, I think Speth
Speaker 4: is searching. I think those three are not I think
Speaker 4: they are kind of their own class just this year.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't argue, you know, I'm not arguing that Speith
Speaker 4: and McRoy aren't in that class or even in the
Speaker 4: class involved them based on you know, past results. But
Speaker 4: DJ should have the Lifford more than he did. There
Speaker 4: should have been a greater return on this season. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: And that's Saturday when everyone's shooting.
Speaker 4: You know, there were nine everyone's shooting sixty five and
Speaker 4: he's there were only seven scores worse than his.
Speaker 2: He shot seventy two.
Speaker 1: He was five over through fourteen.
Speaker 4: I think like between that, you know, missing the cut
Speaker 4: of Carnows I just and the US Open. I mean just,
Speaker 4: I mean Brooks just hip check them off the course.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's Dj based on the season
Speaker 4: he's had, he just didn't get.
Speaker 2: The return he should have.
Speaker 1: I'm going with Molinari. I can't believe he didn't defend
Speaker 1: us to go back to back major. I would I
Speaker 1: think Rory, I just yeah, I just I can't believe
Speaker 1: we're we're where we are with Rory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like crazy though that, Like I mean, did he
Speaker 2: have a worse Major season than Speed? You know, I
Speaker 2: guess Speak kind of essentially had a chance to win
Speaker 2: you know, Carnoustie and and could have won it with
Speaker 2: by shooting even par that day. So I feel like
Speaker 2: Speed's Major season may be a little more disappointing than Rory's,
Speaker 2: even though he was in contention of Augusta. Rory's Sunday
Speaker 2: at the Masters is gross.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was like it's kind of almost I mean,
Speaker 4: I love the guy.
Speaker 1: The wedge, the wedge, the short iron wedge play is
Speaker 1: just I mean.
Speaker 2: Not good, that's.
Speaker 1: Uh but uh yeah, the uh so Rory Speth Brooks,
Speaker 1: d J j T, who ends their career with most majors.
Speaker 2: I still say Speed, just because I think he's gonna
Speaker 2: he's going to play untill he's fifty and be contending
Speaker 2: at every Masters in British Open for a long time.
Speaker 2: But you know GT and Brooks, I think at this
Speaker 2: point I would put ahead of Rory right now. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I know it's hard for me to say that. I
Speaker 2: make it pains me to say that more than four
Speaker 2: if they're going to get five, Yeah, I had.
Speaker 4: Brooks certainly seems on his way to more than four,
Speaker 4: or at least four.
Speaker 2: GT's got a long way to go to get Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's you know, heavy list.
Speaker 4: I think it's speed too. I think it's I think
Speaker 4: he has, you know, the most staying power. You know,
Speaker 4: he's going to be playing augusta well into his forties
Speaker 4: or fifties, you know, unless he has like a crack up.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite things yesterday was when the ball
Speaker 2: was in the air.
Speaker 4: At one of those holes because I hope you're right, Michael,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh man, I hope he is too.
Speaker 2: He might not be might be thrown outside the ropes like.
Speaker 4: He he has those moments where you're like worried if
Speaker 4: he has like he's just gonna have a mental breakdown.
Speaker 4: But Yeah, I think I think he has the long
Speaker 4: the most staying power, and shoot, he's even when a
Speaker 4: year he hasn't really had it and he was sick
Speaker 4: and not playing well. He contended and laid on Sunday
Speaker 4: at the Masters and late on Sunday at the Open.
Speaker 2: So I think just think he's like a major championship
Speaker 2: player for the longest.
Speaker 1: I I'm either going JT or Brooks. I think I
Speaker 1: think I'm going JT. I think I think JT. His
Speaker 1: learning curve is a little bit higher, like it takes longer,
Speaker 1: but once he learned how to play Augusta, once he
Speaker 1: learned how to play links golf, it's I mean, he's
Speaker 1: he's just so talented. I mean he's his game like
Speaker 1: from like a pure talent perspective, not maybe not, but
Speaker 1: skills is like at a different level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he loves the moment to JT, like
Speaker 2: he wants to be in the arena. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The shot he hit on eleven is like going to
Speaker 1: be like one of the greatest forgotten shots, like the
Speaker 1: punch where he killed the guy where he hit him
Speaker 1: in the head, like like that punch runner up to
Speaker 1: like that was an unbelievable shot. I mean that that
Speaker 1: will be one of the greatest shots that's forgotten from
Speaker 1: this tournament. So all right, thanks guys for coming on.
Speaker 1: That was fun, a.
Speaker 2: Good major, great season. Thanks Andy, Hey later.
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