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Speaker 1: dead people crime stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor William Husel

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Speaker 1: The hospital fired him. In his place, twenty caregivers, including

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Speaker 1: according to Lisa Emrick, with the steelenge a doctor's order

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Speaker 1: The nurse is required to give critical analysis to the

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Speaker 1: Talk about using a nurse's escape, but you forget about that.

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Speaker 1: What about the twenty five dead people? I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: A medical doctor is responsible for twenty five deaths. All

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Speaker 1: Star panel with me right now, Savannah lawyer Mark Tate.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Tate Lawgroup dot com. Bruce

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Speaker 1: Jo's an owner ESP Investigations Master Sergeant, Region one Crime

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Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining me from Manhattan, Karen Stark, Special

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Speaker 1: guest Hilly Nelson from ABC six Fox twenty eight Columbus.

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Speaker 1: But to you, renowned chief medical Examiner, doctor William Moroney,

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Speaker 1: Bay County, Michigan, who actually created a new portable treatment center.

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Speaker 1: It's like a giant RV. He created to travel to

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Speaker 1: combat fentnel and opioid overdose. How can you know after

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Speaker 1: to be twenty four more? Doctor Moroney? Don't you people

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, doctor Maroney. Doctor Maroney, you

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Speaker 1: But I got twenty five dead bodies, twenty five funerals

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Speaker 1: And did you actually just say there was a failure

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Speaker 1: a rogue That is a murderer, not a rogue. He's

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Speaker 1: a murderer because they redefined the amount of sentinel anything

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Speaker 1: and changed to homicide. Okay, you know what doctor Moroney.

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Speaker 1: I know you're the MD and I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 1: want to take her up to ICEE. You what, she've

427
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Speaker 1: been there before, so I thought, everything, it's gonna be okay.

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00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: They took her upstairs, and then I'll come this joker

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00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: saying that she had a joker you're talking about doctor Hunsel. Yeah,

430
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: he said that she's brain dead and the machine is

431
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: she had no machine wouldn't bring her back, and uh,

432
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: her lungs wouldn't wouldn't bring her back in and then

433
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I lost her. Oh, dear Lord in heaven you are

434
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: hearing Columbus Dispatch reporter Jim Woods. That was David Austin

435
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: describing his wife Bonnie. She was stabilized in the ear.

436
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: Everything was fine. They took her up to ICU and

437
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: suddenly out cubs doctor Husel saying that Bonnie is brain dead.

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00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Oh my stars, oh gosh. I don't even want my

439
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: mind to go where it is going. Karen Starr, of course,

440
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm imagining that happening to somebody I love.

441
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: Everything's fine, and then all of a sudden, their brain dad,

442
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: and if you unplaying the machine, they die. But everything

443
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: was fine. How can the mind, a human mind even

444
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: comprehend that well, Nancy, I mean, that's so hard to

445
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: take in, just like you're saying, that's heartbreaking, and it's

446
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: very hard to make sense of something like that. And

447
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: it's another reason why you could see that this person

448
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: that committed this crime is a killer, not someone who's

449
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: performing mercy, because here's somebody who was fine and then

450
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden gets killed for no reason other

451
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: than someone had the power to be able to do that.

452
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: And they've got to come to terms with the fact

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Speaker 1: that there a person to die for absolutely no reason

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00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: other than someone was a psycho path You know, um,

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00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: I may not be a medical doctor William Maroney, doctor Maroney,

456
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: but I can add although it's not my forte, I

457
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: know it too. And two equals. Listen to this, you know,

458
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: you always think because if something else happened, because I

459
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: couldn't figure the doctor down stairs in the yard said

460
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: she was fine, just her heart was working fine, and

461
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: he just a very short time and she goes up

462
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: to me, I see you and nothing just not that

463
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: don't make sense. When he said she was branded, what

464
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: did he did? He ask you something specifically? Then then

465
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: he said he pull the plug. He the doctor says, quote,

466
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: can we pull the plug? Now? Take a listen to

467
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: the lawyer. They get hurt of the hospital around seven

468
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: thirty seven pm. Then they go through the emergency room

469
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: called the surgeon down. You know, take here the numa

470
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: thax with a chess tube had. She goes up to

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Speaker 1: ICU at eleven fifteen. The pharmacist signs off on the

472
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Speaker 1: fentanyl dosage. At eleven twenty three, six hundred micrograms the

473
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Speaker 1: fentanyl were given along with first said. Then the notes

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Speaker 1: show at eleven twenty eight. Was then at eleven twenty

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Speaker 1: eight that the family decided to make a withdrawal of care.

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00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: So apparently it was five minutes after the six hundred

477
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: he was actually the fentanyl was given to her before well,

478
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you about the record show at eleven

479
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: twenty three eight the fentanyl was given at eleven twenty eight.

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00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: It's noted that the family made a decision to withdrawal care.

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Speaker 1: WHOA okay, doctor Moroni, everything's fine or hard is working?

482
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Quote fine? According to the doctors she sent to I

483
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: see you in tens of care. Fifteen pharmacists signed the

484
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: fentnyl dosage eleven twenty three, six hundred micrograms. The fentnyl

485
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: pumped in to this lady, even though you and I know,

486
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: over five hundred micrograms makes you stop breathing. And then

487
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: just eight minutes later, less than eight minutes later, she's

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00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: brain dead. I mean she's brain dead almost immediately at

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Speaker 1: eleven twenty three when they pump her full of fentyl. Well,

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00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: it works that quickly, doctor Moroni. Yeah. And if you

491
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: listen real close to what he said, they gave fentanyl

492
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: with versid. Versaid is a benzodiazepine, and together they're used

493
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: in anesthesio put people asleep for surgery and to intubate them.

494
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: That's what was given. A deadly combination, not just fentanyl.

495
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: This is a godless, soul sucking system that has lost

496
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: all of its checks and balances, from the top through

497
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: the pharmacists, through the computer, all the way down to

498
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: when the medications given there's not enough balance. We forget

499
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: that our power comes from God, not from a doctor's

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00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: scrooping and yelling in pointing orders such to Maroney, I'm

501
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: just so distraught to Healing Nelson, ABC six, Fox twenty eight, Columbus.

502
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: When I hear the voice of David Austin, who can't

503
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: understand what went wrong, and now we know that his

504
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: wife was pumped so full of fentnel she died in minutes.

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00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: I think the whole hospital needs to answer whether it

506
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: brings down the walls around us. The truth must be obtained.

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00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: Another thing I don't understand is why they are refusing

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00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: to call him a serial killer. We have thirty five

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00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: dead people, twenty five have resulted in murdered charges. Why

510
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: are they not calling him a serial killer? Well, we

511
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: have heard our State of Ohio Attorney General actually call

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: him a serial killer publicly, but they believe because they

513
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: don't have the conviction yet, they're not comfortable doing that.

514
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: And Nancy, it's interesting just recently we've gotten a glimpse

515
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: into perhaps what they could argue, or at least what

516
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: his attorneys are saying right now in a different lawsuit.

517
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: So the doctor Husel, he just filed a lawsuit recently

518
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: against the hospital and other groups, and they're claiming that

519
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: he's being defamed, perhaps the largest defamation case in recent

520
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: Ohio history. They say because he was trained at the

521
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland Clinic and has this background in anesthesiology and critical care.

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00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: They say he was actually determining the right dosages for

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00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: each of these patients. They're claiming that these patients had

524
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: a high tolerance for these drugs and that he was

525
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: doing what was right. Well, if it was the right dosage,

526
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: why did they all die of overdose? Here? Only that

527
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me, So you think they're

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00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: they so far, the prosecutors not called serial killer because

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00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: there are no convictions, when obviously he is a serial killer.

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00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: And to you, Karen Stark, do you think if it's

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00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: the profile of a serial killer without a doubt? Nancy,

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00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: I mean the power, it's sadistic. There is really no

533
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: reason for why he was doing it that has to

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00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: do with anything that's medical. And what a convenient way

535
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: to be serial killer because he doesn't have to do

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00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: anything that's violent. All he has to do is administer

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00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: the drug and get away with it. We also know

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00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: that he was freed on one million dollar bond, but

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00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: of course Heley and Elsie you only have to put

540
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: up a hundred thousand dollars for that with twenty five

541
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: counts of murder. I don't understand why he even got bond.

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00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: Why did the judge given bond That's what a lot

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00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: of our viewers were shocked about and asking. But they

544
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: said they were following their procedures, and a lot of

545
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: the families, of course very upset and devastated by by

546
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: all of this, but they said they were following the

547
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: procedures laid out ahead of that. So let me understand

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00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: in that jurisdiction, you get bond for murder, you can't

549
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: get a no bond for twenty five dead bodies. It

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00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: depends on the situation. I think two. With the timing

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00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: of a lot of this, we know because they're requesting

552
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: medical records and going over so many of these documents,

553
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: it's certainly a long time process, and I think perhaps

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00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: that may have played into all of this. You know,

555
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: to me, it makes it worse Mark Tay because they've

556
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: had time to realize the extent of his activity, his murders.

557
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Now he's filed a defamation a lawsuit I guess against

558
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: the hospital, Is that right, Hallie Nelson? Recently, yes, he

559
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: has filed a lot is it against the hospital, the hospital,

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00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: their parent company, former CEO, among others. The hospital is

561
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: Mount Carmel Hospital, the CEO, and who's the parent company's

562
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 1: Trinity Health out of Michigan. So do you think Mark

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Tay that he doctor huselis file the civil lawsuit as

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00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: part of his defense strategy. You know, it's a ridiculous thing.

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00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: The hospital has said nothing but the truth about him.

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00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: I think it's a tragic failure of legal strategy to

567
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: let this man facing these charges swipe back at this

568
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: hospital nothing they've said against him. It is true. They've

569
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: never said that he's guilty of a crime, which is

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00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: libel and slander per se. They are simply stating that

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00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: we have confirmed if these are the levels of drugs

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00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: that he dosed, and the individuals who he dosed with

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00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: those drugs have died, and that's the truth. So it's

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00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: a stupid lawsuit. Whatever lawyer filed it, I guess was

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00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: just taking Husel's money or was trying to grab some headlines,

576
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: maybe to boost his or her practice down the line.

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00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine any lawyer I know, and I

578
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: know some good lawyers, I cannot imagine anyone advising miss

579
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: Fellow that it's a good idea to file a slander

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00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: liable deformation lawsuit against the place that may be able

581
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: to actually help you in defending yourself, because remember he

582
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: is the guy who prescribed the drugs. Their nurses are

583
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: the ones who filled the prescriptions. He had to bypass

584
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: a drug dispensing system in order to be able to

585
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: get these drugs. There's so many other people to blame

586
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: here for what happened, and all he's done is sparked

587
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: their ire to come out against him, you know, with

588
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: all talents bared. And so if he came to me

589
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: and asked me to file this lawsuit, I would tell

590
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: him your stupid, your hubrists is causing you to think unclearly.

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00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: And just because you got your medical degree and your

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00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: board certified and anesthesiology which is which is a legitimate

593
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: pain management degree and certification, that doesn't mean you need

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00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: to come out swinging at them. You need to be timid,

595
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: you need to be calm. You need to be saying,

596
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: I exercise what was my best medical judgment, and I

597
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: should have had more backups if I was making the

598
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: wrong judgment. Hospitals have a policy that says nurses are

599
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: in fact required to go up the chain of command

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00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: if they question the constructions are given. And the truth

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00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: is that a nurse has the same exact duty to

602
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: you and that is to act with reasonable care towards

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Speaker 1: the patient. And if the doctor's doing something that you

604
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: knew or should have known is incorrect, to go to

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00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: the charge nurse and to go up the chain to

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: the chief position. But do you think there's any way,

607
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: doctor Moroney, he can blame the nurses and get off. Well,

608
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: he can say, hey, I gave the order. If she

609
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to give it, she didn't have to give it.

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00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: She could have said something, you know, but the nurse

611
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: has a procedure and if she clarifies that is his order.

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00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: She has a director of nursing, she has a manager nursing. Somewhere.

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00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: Somebody called somebody and said, hey, there's something going on here,

614
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: But it didn't happen until all these people died, and

615
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: it was outside of the hospital. This kind of investigation

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00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 1: could have happened inside of the hospital because a nurse

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00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: with some gravitas would have said, I'm not giving that order.

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00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: And at once they say that somebody has to look

619
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: in and see the past, and they would have seen

620
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: how many people are dying at the hands of a

621
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: fentil injection and it's going to be multiple nurses. But

622
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: they were working in silos and they were isolated, so

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00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: it's a failure of communication in this whole system. He's

624
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: at the top and that hubris is the perfect word.

625
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: And earlier on their pipe bomb indictment and conviction, Hailey

626
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: Nelson told us about remember this, the twice divorced doctor

627
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: Husel admitted that after he detonated device on campus, he

628
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: tried to frame another person by putting a pipe in

629
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: their car. So not only did he detonate a pipe bomb,

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00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: he tried to blame somebody else, and that is who

631
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: the hospital had working on their patients. We wait as

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Speaker 1: justice unfolds Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off Goodbye friend,