1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: What's Up? This is Raysearon Jenkins and you're listening to 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: the Charges podcast network. What's up, guys? Chris Avery with 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: you on a special edition of Chargers Weekly. With the 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: NFL Draft just six weeks away, the plan from here 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: on out is to get a draft analyst on every 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: single Tuesday leading up to Las Vegas and today a 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: front of the program, Chris Trpasso, CBS Sports joins me 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: on the line. Chris. Always a pleasure, Bud. 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: How are you I'm doing Chris, Thanks for having me again. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: We did this at the Senior Bowl in late January. Chris, 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: what new information have you learned about some of these 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: prospects in the last six weeks or so. 13 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's been any major development outside 14 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: of kind of some new thoughts about this wide receiver class. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: I mean being there at the Senior Bowl during that 16 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: week of practice Inmobile, Alabama. We were sitting in the 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: stand recording that podcast, and Baylor wide receivers Denzel Mims 18 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: was really starting to show himself that he wasn't maybe 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: a third or fourth round pick, but maybe could be 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: a second or maybe a first round pick. Then if 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: the combine had a great workout the best workout of 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: any wide receiver in attendance, and some of the other guys, 23 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: the Jerry Judies and the CDEE Lambs, even Jalen Rager 24 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: from TCU did not necessarily test as well as a 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: lot of people expected. So Jerry Judy see Lamb are 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: still going to go early. Henry Ruggs ran four two seven, 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: not obviously breaking the record, but still a really fast 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: time jumped over forty inches. Those guys are going to 29 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: go early. But we went into the pre draft process 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: was kind of this overarching sauce that it was a 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: really deep wide receiver class. But I think some of 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: the names like Denzel Mims and he's probably the headliner, 33 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: have kind of shown over the past couple of months 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: with the Senior Bowl and the Combine that it's a 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: deep wide receiver class, but some of these players might 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: actually have to go in the late first round or 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: the early second that there might be more top end 38 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: talent at the receiver spot than we initially realized. 39 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: Chris, I look at the Chargers weapons on the outside. 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: Obviously Mike Williams was a top ten pick a few 41 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: years ago. You got Keenan Allen that third wide receiver spot, 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: maybe somebody who can take the top off of a defense. 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Do you see anybody that fits that bill in maybe 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: like the third or fourth round, somebody that would maybe 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: in any of the draft be a top sixty pick. 46 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably two guys that fit that mold in terms 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: of what they can do on the field and where 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: they're likely to be picked. Brandon Ayuk from Arizona State. 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people out watched there, probably saw him 50 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: in the Tech bull the last couple of years, especially 51 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen with you know, being in the spotlight 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: for the Sun Devils. He ran four file with the combine, 53 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: had a forty inch vertical. He has the explosive nets, 54 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: very long armed, very sure in the way that he 55 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: catches the football down the field, tracks it over his 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 2: older hit a lot of big plays and probably won't 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: be even a second round pick. I think running that 58 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: four or five os will be a little bit scared 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: of that in terms of picking him that early. And 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: then kJ Hamler from Penn State. He's a little smaller, 61 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: He's around five nine, one hundred and seventy five pounds, 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: kind of has a similar game to Travis Benjamin that 63 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: Chargers fans know really well that he will have a 64 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: lot of games with three catches and one hundred and 65 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: fifteen yards at a touchdown. That he's not going to 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: be a high volume guy. But his birth off the 67 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and then that second gear that he 68 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: can kick it into on the vertical routree is truly special. 69 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: I think it's up there with Henry Ruggs with a 70 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: Jerry Judy in that you're not going to maybe get 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: a lot of intricate routes from him. You're not gonna 72 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: be someone that is going to get a lot of, 73 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, possession type catches from him where you're gonna 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: throw him the football at a high volume, but you're 75 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: gonna want to get him when he has one on 76 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: one coverage. You're gonna want to throw him at football 77 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: because he can run by a lot of corners and 78 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: safeties even in the NFL. So those two guys, second, third, 79 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: fourth round I think would make a lot of sense 80 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: to add to that third receiver spot for the Chargers 81 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: this year. 82 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: This great information, and when you play the Kansas City 83 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Chiefs twice, it's the secret you probably want to add 84 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: speed to combat the Tyreek Hills and Nicole Hardman's of 85 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: the world right. 86 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think not only does someone like a 87 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: Brandon Ayug or a Tyreek Kill or a Kadan Handler 88 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: adding that speed puppin helps obviously to hit big plays, 89 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: but the attention that gets drawn to a Tyreek Hill 90 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 2: is huge for Travis Kelcey. It's huge for the screen game. 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: So I think even in a game where if the 92 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: Chargers do add a speed element to the offense, and 93 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: they most likely will probably in that range that you're saying, 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: even if that guy doesn't have a big game, only 95 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: has one or two catches more low volume, his impact 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: will be felt by his other teammates making plays at 97 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: the short intermedia levels and after the catch. So just 98 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: having that speed, having that thought for your defensive coordinator 99 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: that Tyreek Hill is out there can really impact the 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: game in more than just the individual statuets for that player. 101 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: We know the offensive line class pretty top heavy as well. 102 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: What do you or how do you view this offensive 103 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: line class in terms of later rounds. Can you get 104 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: a potential starter, a potential Day one starter in later rounds? 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can. I mean, it's really top 106 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 2: heavy in terms of offensive tackle. There's kind of the 107 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: five guys that everyone's been talking about that are likely 108 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: to be top twenty or top twenty five picks, and 109 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: we haven't seen that many offensive tackles go that early 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 2: in a while. But if you're looking at the interior spot, 111 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: and I know with Michael Scholfield being a free agent, 112 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 2: that could be a position that the Chargers want to upgrade. 113 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: And I think for any team you can never have 114 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: too many interior offensive lineman that can play multiple positions. 115 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: There's one player that just popping into my head right 116 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: now from Ball State, Danny Pinter. And being from Ball State, 117 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: he's not really on the radar, but he had a 118 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: tremendous combine like an elite level athlete. He played tackle, 119 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: will probably play left or right guard. You can even 120 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: play him at center. Light feet, very powerful, amazing balance. 121 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: I think more so on the third day of the draft, 122 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: we're gonna see guys picked at guard like a Danny 123 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: Pincher that's not really going to move the needle initially, 124 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: but then in a few years we're going to say, hey, 125 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: look this is a starter who's been a team's right 126 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: or left guard for two full season and has really 127 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 2: locked it down. So I really like the top heaviness 128 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: of the offensive tackle class, and then the interior offensive 129 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: line and the guys that can play multiple positions. Second 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: and third day, I think there's just how that position 131 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: is valued. I think there will still be a handful 132 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 2: of really good players picked in those rounds in this draft. 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: And Chris, just to clarify, a guy like Danny Pincher, 134 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: you see him as a Day three pick or a 135 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: Day two pick especially. 136 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it probably a Day three pick just 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: because of the level of competition coming from Ball State 138 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 2: that he does have to make a position change. There's 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: a few other guys that are for more power programs 140 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: day two, like Damian Lewis from LSU. He's really powerful, 141 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: not great laterally, but we'll really be able to stone 142 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: NFL defensive lineman right away. But for Pinter, I think 143 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: on the third day, there's a guard from PCU, cordell 144 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: A Guagou I believe his last name is, played left guard, 145 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: played some center. You just are really looking for those 146 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: high caliber athletes that might fall to the third day 147 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: because they're not big enough yet or strong enough. And 148 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: I probably said it on the previous podcast. Most offensive 149 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: linemen are not really NFL strong right when they come in. 150 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: They need a year. Even defensive linean too, and I 151 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: think Jerry Tillery is kind of an example of that. 152 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: They need a year to beef up to truly go 153 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: from being one of the strongest guys in college to 154 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: an adequate amount of strength by NFL standards. So someone 155 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: like Danny Pinter that would be a third day pick, 156 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: fifth or sixth rounder, after a year or maybe halfway 157 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: through his rookie year will get up to that standard 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: of strength and weight and be able to hold down 159 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: one of the positions in the trenches. 160 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: Chris, everybody loves a sleeper, right, based on what you 161 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: saw at the combine and combine that with what you 162 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: see on tape. Who are some sleepers that maybe should 163 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: be on teams radars come April? 164 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll probably start with the wide receiver 165 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: classes because it is so talented and we talked so 166 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: much about it. There's a small wide receiver that could 167 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: be that speed option from Tulane named darn Now Mooney. 168 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: He ran four to three eight at the Combine, just 169 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: quietly ran under four four. He's seventy five pounds so 170 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: he's in that Travis Benjamin type of mold. But you 171 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: watch him on film and you see glimpses of Tyler 172 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 2: Locket that he's small, he's twitchy, he can get off 173 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: the line just with his athleticism, and then he's instantly 174 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: in top gear and then down the field. Even though 175 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: we have smaller hands, doesn't have this big catch radius. 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: He is completely unafraid to contort his body to high 177 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: points the football to take a hit from a safety. 178 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: Wasn't in a high volume passing offense, but was really 179 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: accounting for a lot of the passing yards at Tulane. 180 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: He could be someone that to me, fifth, sixth, even 181 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: seventh round because of that speed, could be a gigantic 182 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: sleeper and in the right system as that wide receiver three. 183 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: That's just a downfield guy, which again the Chargers could 184 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 2: certainly use. I think that would make a lot of sense. 185 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 2: He's one of the guys that I've uncovered recently that's 186 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: a lot of fun and then interior offensive lineman. It 187 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 2: could have set him earlier. Cole Cabral from Arizona State. 188 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: He's got a weird body to play center. He's six 189 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: five and three Undertown so he's kind of tall. I 190 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: think he could play guard. He definitely has the experience 191 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 2: over the past couple of years playing center. A high 192 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: caliber athlete, that's what you want to see for those 193 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: Day three interior offensive linemen getting out on screens. Very textbook. 194 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: His footwork in pass protection almost looks like he's a tackle. 195 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: He kickslides very very well, gets really low with his hips, 196 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: does not get out leveraged very often. He could be 197 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: someone didn't work out at the Combine. I believe he's 198 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: still injured. That's not going to get a lot of hype, 199 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 2: but because of his inherent athleticism, after beefing up a 200 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 2: little bit, I think those two players can really be 201 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: impact guys that are picked on the third day of 202 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: the draft. 203 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: Chris, Before the Combine, I had an opportunity to sit 204 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: down with a lot of prospects here in southern California 205 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: that were preparing for the Combine, and one of those 206 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: guys was aj Dillon of Boston College. He's a monster 207 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: and he put up monster numbers at the Combine. How 208 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: impressed were you with Aj? I know he's one of 209 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: your sleepers that you pointed out in Indy. 210 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was really impressed. There was a lot of 211 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: buzz about him being like a track guy, even at 212 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: like two hundred and forty pounds and a really stocky 213 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: six foot I didn't know if I was expecting at 214 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: that size profile for him to run four or five three, 215 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 2: to have a forty one inch vertical and the longest 216 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: broad jump of any running back in this class. 217 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: The top and then you look a broad Chris. 218 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. It was is insane at his size, And when 219 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: you look at who he compares to the most athletically, 220 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: it's Ricky Williams, which is kind of insane when he's 221 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: thinking about all this that he's kind of viewed as 222 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: a Day three guy. Oh, maybe he's not fast enough 223 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: to be in the NFL. He proved that he is 224 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: plenty fast enough and plenty athletic enough. Then you watch 225 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 2: him on film, defenders just bounce off. He is truly 226 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: a wrecking ball. He's not going to make a ton 227 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 2: of guys miss, but I think he has the ability 228 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: to just make one defender miss if it's you know, 229 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage, if it's down the field, 230 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: he has enough wiggle to make one guy miss, and 231 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: then just power through blockers. I think if Melvin Gordon 232 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: signs elsewhere, and you know, recently extending Austin Eckler, I 233 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: think AJ Dillon fourth, fifth, sixth round, if he's still 234 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 2: there at that point, maybe even the third round, to 235 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: pair him with Eckler would be such a fun compliment 236 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: because he's not that great of a receiver. Eckler certainly is. 237 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 2: I'm completely different size profiles, but again, and this kind 238 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: of theme, they're both outstanding athletes relative to their size. 239 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: He really surprised me, and I think he boosted himself 240 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: up at least one or two rounds with his performance 241 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: at the Combine. 242 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be fun to see where he lands 243 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: in the draft. All Right, we waited about thirteen minutes 244 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: to get into the quarterbacks I saw last week? Did 245 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: you have Jordan Love to the Chargers at number six overall? 246 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: Why do you have Jordan Love at six? And how 247 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: does he compare Chris to Justin Herbert. We hear a 248 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: lot about Tua hasn't worked out yet, and obviously a 249 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 1: lot of people think Joe Burrow is going to be 250 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. 251 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: I think the easiest way for me to kind of 252 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: compare these two quarterbacks, is that with Jordan Love, your 253 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator is going to have to tell him to 254 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: kind of rain in his aggressiveness at times, and with 255 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: Justin Herbert it's the opposite. I think you love the 256 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: physical skills for both, but Justin Herbert has a tendency 257 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: to maybe not pull the trigger on that you know, 258 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: deep big route on third and ten, but to check 259 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: it down. And even though he has the ability to 260 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: make those tight window throws because of his arm. So 261 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 2: it kind of depends on what your offensive coordinator would 262 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: rather have from their quarterback. I think with Justin Herbert, 263 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 2: you're not going to get a lot of interceptions. You're 264 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: going to get smart decisions more often than not. You 265 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: can get Atlick outside the pocket. You can use him 266 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: as a scrambler in the design run game if you want. 267 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: He can make He will make two or three while 268 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: throws every game because the arm talent is that special. 269 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 2: With Jordan Love, it's a little more wilded. It's truly. 270 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: I don't think I've done one podcast or one radio 271 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: stole without drawing the Patrick Mahomes comparison, and everyone's doing 272 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: it for Jordan Love, not as talented as Patrick Mahomes, 273 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: but has a similar type of playing style, kind of 274 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: reckless but can kind of lead to some big plays. 275 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: So whether you're a fan or you're, you know, actually 276 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: making the pick for the Charges, it kind of depends 277 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: on what style of quarterback you like. I've kind of 278 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: flip flopped between those two guys, even with Tyrod Taylor there, 279 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: who I think the steady bridge quarterback. He's proven to 280 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: be one of those two guys. And we'll kind of tell, 281 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: i'm draft might if they decide to pick one of 282 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: those two what kind of flavor they like at the 283 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: quarterback style. But that's really the biggest difference between these 284 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: two really talented quarterback prospects. 285 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: We're doing this interview from Coasta, Mesa to Buffalo, and 286 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: I know you've been someone who's followed the Buffalo Bills 287 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: very closely over the years. Coach Lynn entering his fourth 288 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: season as the head coach of the Chargers, Tyrod Taylor, 289 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: both of those guys were in Buffalo together. Just wanted 290 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: to get your overall thoughts on the job that Coach 291 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: Lynn has done here in Los Angeles and Tyrod Taylor 292 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: potentially as a starter. Coach Linn said, he's very comfortable 293 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: having Tyrod on the roster and we'll just have to 294 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: wait and see what happens in free agency in the draft. 295 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I can say this that when Anthony Lynn 296 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: was the interim coach just for one game after Rex 297 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: Ryan was fired, there was a lot of people going 298 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: into that offseason before the Bills hired Sean McDermott that 299 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: wanted the Bill to keep Anthony Lynn because he had 300 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: so much respect in that locker room. A lot of 301 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: the players came out that we would be totally fine 302 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: and think that he would lead the Bills in the 303 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: right direction. And that was just for me members from 304 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: fans again, a lot of the team members at that point. 305 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: So I think he has a lot of respect around 306 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: the league. He's obviously a player's coach, having played football. 307 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: I think he's done a very good job dealing with 308 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: the amount of injuries that the Chargers have had and 309 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: keeping that a competitive team played in a lot of 310 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: close games. We talked about it on the previous podcast 311 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: that you know, they lost a lot of close games 312 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: this past year and that led to them not making 313 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs. But I think he's that kind of just 314 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: calming force on the sideline that when they have to 315 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: throw in second, third string guys in critical games, they're 316 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 2: still competitive. So I think that speaks to a head 317 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: coach that's not wild and crazy, that that has a 318 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: good game plan that can cycle through players as injuries mount. 319 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: And then for Tyrod Taylor, I really believe that he's 320 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: not a quarterback that is going to elevate your team 321 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: from you know, being eight and eight to say twelve 322 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 2: and four or thirteen and three. But in Buffalo, when 323 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: he had a healthy Sammy Watkins, when he had Robert Woods, 324 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: Marquise Gobn with healthy, they had a good running game, 325 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: a decent defense. He led them to the playoffs. He 326 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: snapped the drought of eighteen seasons without making a playoffs 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: in Buffalo and was just a steady force kind of 328 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: like Anthony Lynn that you knew what you were getting 329 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: from him every game. He was not turning the football over. 330 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 2: He has very good touchdown the field. He's electric as 331 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: a scrambler, he can make plays outside the pocket with 332 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: his feet, and he keeps his eyes upfield. So if 333 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: we're talking about Mike Williams, Keenan Allen, potentially ay D D. 334 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 2: Dillon or another running back with Austin Eckler and an 335 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: improved offensive line, I think he can be a perfect 336 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: bridge quarterback if you even if you draft Justin Herbert 337 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 2: or Jordan Love and say maybe these quarterbacks aren't ready 338 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: as rookies. I don't think Tyrod Taylor just because he 339 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: hasn't been starting the last couple of years, you can't 340 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: forget about him because he's shown that in a pretty 341 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 2: good environment he can lead a team and not hold 342 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: back a team with just not throwing interceptions, with making 343 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: good decisions, living to see another down and then occasionally 344 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 2: hitting those big plays over the top and with his lege. 345 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: So I think they have two former Buffalo Bills that 346 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: were very, very respected and did a lot of good 347 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: things when they were in Western New York. 348 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: Well said, Chris, I'm gonna get you out here on this. 349 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your Twitter right now. I know you 350 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: have a seven round mock draft that drops on Wednesday. 351 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a beast. Do you want to give 352 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: Chargers fans a hint, maybe a little bread crumb to Wednesday. 353 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna get a quarterback for the Chargers early. 354 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: I won't tell you which one. You gotta click, you 355 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 2: gotta click. It will be Jordan Love or Justin Herbert. 356 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: And then, honestly, a lot of what we talked about, 357 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: filling in some pieces on the offensive side, because I 358 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: think the defense you can certainly have depth later in 359 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: the draft, and I did, but in this seven round 360 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: mock draft, but offensive line, wide receiver, just adding a 361 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: little bit more juice to the offense as they move 362 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: on from Philip Rivers. I think that makes the most 363 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 2: sense for the team, and that's what I'm doing in 364 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: this pre free agency seven round mocket. Will probably have 365 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: three picks right the entire way, But it's a fun 366 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: exercising kind of get some ideas of position and potential 367 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 2: prospect that your team could ultimately pick in April. 368 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: Listen, man, it it gets fans fired up, and then 369 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: once fur agency hits, you got to blow it up 370 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: and do it. 371 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: All again, rightep, Yep exactly. 372 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso CBS Sports look for his seven round mock 373 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: draft that drops on Wednesday. Like I said, we're gonna 374 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: do this each and every week leading up to the draft. 375 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: Get you a draft analyst, You're a Chargers weekly Chris. 376 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being the first buddy. Thanks so much, all. 377 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: Right, Chris, thanks Glenn. I appreciate it.