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Speaker 1: Hey, that, folks said.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday, January twenty ninth, and the first execution

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty six was carried out last night in Texas,

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Speaker 2: and the death row inmate had a lot to say

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Speaker 2: before he was put to death. And with that, welcome

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Speaker 2: to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Robes.

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Speaker 2: I should qualify that a lot to say, relatively speaking,

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Speaker 2: he said, more than we are used to a lot

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Speaker 2: of death row inmates saying right before they're put to death.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It might be surprising to many, but at least in

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Speaker 3: the executions we've been covering over this past year, most

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Speaker 3: inmates choose to say nothing before at all at all.

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Speaker 3: They just say like nope, no, thanks, hard pass. So

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Speaker 3: when someone speaks, it's usually of note, and it's usually

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Speaker 3: one sentence.

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Speaker 4: Was a lot more than.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, of note.

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Speaker 2: Last night's execution, execution Robes, was of note for a

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Speaker 2: number of reasons. First of all, it was the first

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Speaker 2: in the United States that we have had in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, after a year last year in which we

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Speaker 2: saw an increase, a sharp increase in the executions in

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Speaker 2: the country. It's also notable, Robes, we say to folks,

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Speaker 2: first execution of twenty twenty six. I guess you would

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Speaker 2: have the usual suspects of what state it was. This

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Speaker 2: one gets back to I guess the first one that's

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Speaker 2: top of mind, even though last year Florida led the way.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we're talking about Texas.

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Speaker 3: And the first execution of twenty twenty six, Yes, was

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Speaker 3: in Texas, and it was Charles Victor Thompson.

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Speaker 4: He was executed last night in Huntsville, Texas.

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Speaker 5: It took him twenty two minutes I believe from when

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Speaker 5: they began, but he was pronounced dead at six fifty

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Speaker 5: pm Central time, and as we have alluded to, it

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Speaker 5: was not uneventful.

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Speaker 1: It was not.

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Speaker 2: These are all ways, and again a few witnesses in

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Speaker 2: there have to do with who are connected to the case,

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Speaker 2: families and whatnot. But also you have some journalists that

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Speaker 2: are usually picked to be in there as well, and

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Speaker 2: we are getting some of that commentary from them. Charles

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Speaker 2: Victor Thompson, fifty five years old, been on death row

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Speaker 2: Robes another one of these cases, about thirty years that

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Speaker 2: this family has been waiting for justice, but convicted up

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Speaker 2: a double murder back in nineteen ninety nine, killed a

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Speaker 2: woman who was his ex girlfriend thirty nine year old

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Speaker 2: Denise Hayslipp and her new boyfriend Darren Kane, who was

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Speaker 2: thirty years old now robes last night. It was this

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Speaker 2: is this was well attended, would you not say? Relatively speaking?

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Speaker 3: Again, no, again, from a perspective standpoint, A lot of times,

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Speaker 3: especially because you have twenty thirty, sometimes even forty years

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Speaker 3: between when the murders happened and when the executions actually

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Speaker 3: take place, because that's how we roll apparently here in

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Speaker 3: the United States, a lot of times anyone who would

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Speaker 3: have wanted to attend had passed or had moved on,

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Speaker 3: or it was just too painful to revisit. So, yes,

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Speaker 3: this was a full house, so to speak, because you

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Speaker 3: had in a ten time. For Thompson who was being executed,

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Speaker 3: his father they put him in a separate room, and

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Speaker 3: that's understandable. Also for Denise Hayslip, her son was there

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Speaker 3: who was thirteen at the time of her murder and

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Speaker 3: has been very outspoken throughout this case, her brother and

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Speaker 3: her brother's wife, and then in attendance for Cain, his

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Speaker 3: parents were both there and his ex wife, so that

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Speaker 3: that is a very full house when it comes to execution.

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Speaker 2: Fairly, young man Cain was only thirty years old, and

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Speaker 2: what the death row inmate Thompson was twenty five six

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Speaker 2: twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: I believe just because I watched an interview he gave

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Speaker 3: twenty seven year old like kind of like acting as

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Speaker 3: if he was a teenager, that he had a immature

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Speaker 3: kind of saying, I was just twenty seven old enough

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Speaker 2: So the as it were and as it went last night,

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Speaker 2: I also saw and read about this one that's different

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Speaker 2: like he was interacting with his spiritual advisor other people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, This is a somber event. I've attended one in

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Speaker 3: a vow of silence. There was no speaking once you

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Speaker 3: You did not speak, just out of reverence to what

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Speaker 4: So that is very unusual.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was leading the way I should say,

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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the people in the room were

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Speaker 2: being loud of what he was talking to the people

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Speaker 2: in the death chamber, according to the witnesses there. Now,

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Speaker 2: there are a couple of things that did come out.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into some of the comments that Hayslip's son

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Speaker 2: made in just a moment, but this was significant. He

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Speaker 2: was asked, they're always asked, do you have any last words?

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Speaker 2: And Thompson had some.

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Speaker 4: He had quite a few. Actually, here's what he had

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Speaker 3: I hope the victim's family, their extended family, and their

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Speaker 3: loved ones can find forgiveness in their heart and that

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Speaker 3: you can begin to heal and move past this. There

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Speaker 3: are no winners in this situation. It creates more victims

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Speaker 3: and traumatizes more people. Twenty eight years later. I'm sorry

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Speaker 3: for what I did. I'm sorry for what happened, and

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Speaker 3: I want to tell all of y'all I love you

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Speaker 3: and that you keep Jesus in your life, keep Jesus

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Speaker 3: first to my children, get to know the Lord, and

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Speaker 2: That's a lot more than we're used to hearing that.

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Speaker 2: Some would argue a lot lot late as well. I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize, but the DA is the one that said

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Speaker 2: this was the first time he has ever taken responsibility

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Speaker 2: and certainly the first time he had ever asked for

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Speaker 2: forgiveness in this crime. That's significant. But he did it

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Speaker 2: at the very last moment.

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Speaker 3: Look that this might be one of those better late

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Speaker 3: But an apology does, I would think, have some sort

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Speaker 3: that it does matter. It does give you a sense

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Speaker 2: And it seemed like her son, who has been very

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Speaker 2: He's been talking about that for a while, and he was,

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Speaker 2: in fact there. Now two different sets of comments have

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Speaker 2: But he apparently did talk to a local outlet there

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Speaker 2: in Texas. But what's been so widely reported is what

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Speaker 2: emotional and understandable. What is reportedly at least was a

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Speaker 2: comment he made right after the execution.

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Speaker 3: Yes A reportedly hayeslip Son said he's in hell when

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Speaker 3: he died, and look, I get it. He had given

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Speaker 4: Eight years to see.

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Speaker 3: His mom's killer finally put to justice. But he lost

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Speaker 3: his father recently, so he you know, he just had

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Speaker 3: when he had his children. You know, all of those

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Speaker 3: you can only imagine him uttering he's in hell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 2: There was a different tone at least afterwards. Houston Press

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Speaker 2: and he said this to them afterwards. I was the

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Speaker 2: I nodded at him. I acknowledged him. I sincerely hope

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Speaker 2: not somewhere burning in hell and something. I mean, that's again,

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Speaker 2: that's what they are reporting. But Robes, that's do you

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Speaker 2: kind of get it? Emotion is something, main't it?

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Speaker 4: Maybe he yes?

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I can totally see him releasing

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Speaker 2: And what did he think? I'll always wonder what do

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Speaker 2: they want explanation? I don't know, but he was able

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Speaker 2: to respond at least Hayslip's son about what he thought

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said it didn't matter what he said or

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Speaker 3: All he had to offer was that moment. I did

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Speaker 3: not want him to die with malice in my heart.

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Speaker 3: So I was fighting, staying strong and trying to not

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Speaker 2: There it is the last words. I know it's always

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Speaker 2: of interest. The last meal will only mention that. Again,

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Speaker 2: a fascination with that, and it makes sense. But he

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Speaker 2: again kind of went against the mold here robes and

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Speaker 2: didn't ask for anything special.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he just asked for breakfast.

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Speaker 3: He just wanted scrambled eggs, grape jelly, oatmeal, apple sauce,

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Speaker 4: These were just standard prison options.

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Speaker 3: He didn't ask for anything special or anything to be delivered.

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Speaker 4: Don't know that they would have given him.

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Speaker 3: Different jails or different prisons have different rules. But we've

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Speaker 3: heard some outlandish like very elaborate last meal requests that

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Speaker 3: were granted, weren't they Yeah, which has been controversial. So

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Speaker 3: he just kind of stuck with what the prison had

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Speaker 2: Probably, so, yes, he did die. This is a state

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Speaker 2: that offers lethal injection. Pental barbital is what it's called.

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Speaker 2: He's essentially given an overdose of this drug. It's a

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Speaker 2: drug that's used to treat seizures. It depresses the nervous system.

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Speaker 2: barbituate that is actually used to euthanize animals, wow, and

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Speaker 2: to treat caizuars and low doses. But essentially they are

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Speaker 2: giving this man an overdose of this drug to let

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Speaker 2: you know he did try. We've seen some robes. Some

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Speaker 2: say never mind, I'll skip the appeals.

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Speaker 1: Most don't.

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Speaker 2: They'll least go as far as they can with their

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Speaker 2: Now we saw the first execution of twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: That was in Texas. Texas.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So Florida led the way with nineteen of the

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Speaker 3: Yes, and we saw Governor DeSantis make a pledge basically

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Speaker 2: The next one that is planned is in Florida, mad

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Speaker 2: An eye on all of this. The other note here wrote,

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Speaker 3: And yes, to get an exact number, more than five

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Speaker 2: Let's see, I should have it up, but Harris County

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Speaker 1: Did you have them?

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Speaker 2: All right, folks, will keep an eye on all things

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Speaker 2: So folks, we will be talking to you all real soon.

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Speaker 2: But on behalf of Amy Robot. I am TJ.

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Speaker 1: Holmes. Talk to you all real