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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Florida woman actually films

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Speaker 1: herself laughing. Sounds like she's having a couple of glasses

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Speaker 1: of wine at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Not sure about that.

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Speaker 1: As she leaves her lover to die, to die in

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Speaker 1: a suitcase, she says during a game of hide and seek. Now,

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Speaker 1: how that hide and seek is some sort of defense?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, see, Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: And thank call back and said it still there. They're

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Speaker 3: going to think to kill him.

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Speaker 4: All we had was a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 2: Literally, just a bottle of wine.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and when you cut it away, hidden feet, that's

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Speaker 4: all what happened.

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Speaker 2: Girl. A bottle of wine is not a defense.

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Speaker 1: But I want to warn you she filmed herself, There's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that, as she sat there and watched

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend die in a suitcase. Let me warn you

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Speaker 1: this is very disturbing. I told you she filmed herself

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Speaker 1: as she watched her boyfriend die in a suitcase during

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Speaker 1: an alleged game of hide and seek, while she throws

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Speaker 1: back a couple of glasses of wine. You know we

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Speaker 1: got the video for everything.

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Speaker 3: You've done to me so for everything you've done to me.

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 5: So swa stupid Sarah.

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Speaker 2: It's my name, don't hear it?

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Speaker 5: No, I can't see sir is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when you do and you shook me.

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Speaker 5: Sa, Carol, I can't breathe.

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Speaker 3: That's on you, Sarah.

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Speaker 5: I can't breathe.

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Speaker 3: It's on you, Sarah. Real ndso I I want to

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Speaker 3: get video for it. Extra good.

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Speaker 5: I got this, Sal Sarah. I can't believe.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's what I feel like when you drink on me.

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Speaker 2: Sarah.

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Speaker 3: Wait sorrow, Yeah you should, probably should.

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Speaker 1: I had to watch that myself to make sure I

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Speaker 2: Did she actually feeling herself?

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Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to hear first of all, the

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Speaker 1: nine to one one call listen, what is.

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Speaker 6: The location of your emergency?

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Speaker 2: Were seven four eight France Court, Apartment three.

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Speaker 3: As a suppode so Medico.

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Speaker 6: My boyfriend had said, Okay, have a line for the

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Speaker 6: fight apartment, do not hang up.

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Speaker 5: Tell me exactly what happened there.

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Speaker 3: My boyfriend and only were playing last night and I'm good.

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Speaker 4: I put him in their case.

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Speaker 2: And we were playing and he's like kind of a

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Speaker 7: So I fell asleep and I woke up and he

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Speaker 6: So I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 1: You don't know what happened. You just told us what happened.

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Speaker 1: You put your boyfriend in a suit case. He didn't

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Speaker 1: crawl in there. It was not his idea. You zip

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Speaker 1: it up, and now he's dead.

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Speaker 2: We were playing.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's just what the Long Island serial killers said

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Speaker 1: about all of his victims. They were playing, then they

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Speaker 1: were tortured, mutilated, and murdered.

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Speaker 2: Let's analyze what we just heard.

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Speaker 1: Joining me, Stephanie Buffo Monte, investigative reporter, Fox thirty five Orlando.

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Speaker 1: But first to defense attorney Philip Dubay, who has a

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Speaker 1: very interesting numerology defense in this case. Dbay no stranger

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Speaker 1: to a courtroom with the La County Public Defender's Office.

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Speaker 1: Philip Dobay, did you hear she was completely Deadpan? My

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Speaker 1: boyfriend is dead, just like that. I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: the jury to hear that. How would you battle.

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Speaker 2: That in court? What try to suppress?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: I'm on one call?

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Speaker 8: No, First of all, you got to remember, she just

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Speaker 1: Don't drag him into her wine bottle. Okay, yeah, we

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Speaker 8: Well, legally, the wine does not help her under Florida

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're saying about voluntary use of drugs

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Speaker 1: for alcohol is not a defense in Florida.

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Speaker 2: That's everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But I'm asking you about her saying my boyfriend's did

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Speaker 1: It's like she might as well be saying, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: That's what it sounds like. And you're gonna you would

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Speaker 2: actually tell a jury is because she's hung over.

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Speaker 1: You don't think finding his dead body and a suitcase

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Speaker 8: She's also numb from years of abuse from him. Don't

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Speaker 8: you remember what she said in the clip? She said,

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Speaker 8: now you know you can't breathe. Now you know what

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Speaker 8: it's like all those times you were choking me, So

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Speaker 8: it sounds like that she was exercising dominion and control

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean revenge.

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Speaker 8: No, I'm talking about being as.

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Speaker 2: It's very clear she brought that up.

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Speaker 1: But she's angry because she thinks he cheated on her.

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Speaker 1: So what the revenge is over, whether it's alleged choking

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Speaker 1: or alcohol is not a defense, revenge is not a defense.

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Speaker 1: Not a defense. Accident one percent a defense, a total defense,

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Speaker 1: self defense one hundred percent a defense. Insanity would be

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Speaker 1: an affirmative defense where you say I did it, but

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Speaker 1: I was crazy. But revenge is not a defense. Hold on,

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Speaker 6: Listen, Yes, like he has like blood coming out of

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Speaker 9: Right Okay, all right, okay, so we're going to hear

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Speaker 6: It's on our way out there, are hanging from somewhere.

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Speaker 4: What man, No, I pulled him out of the suitcase.

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Speaker 2: I tried giving him CPR.

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Speaker 10: Okay, so he was in a suitcase?

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Speaker 3: Yes, then I fell asleep.

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Speaker 6: Okay. How old is how.

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Speaker 1: Men fell asleep while the boyfriend still zipped up begging

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Speaker 1: in a suitcase. Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining me, renown

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Speaker 1: renowned chief medical examiner Terrant, counting that sport Worth never

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Speaker 1: a lack of business in Dallas Fort Worth lecturer at

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Speaker 1: the esteemed Burnette School of Medicine at TCU.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kimdall Crowns. Why would a person be purple?

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Speaker 10: Why would they be purple? Well, that could be from

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Speaker 10: post mortem lividity that as their heart stops, the blood

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Speaker 10: lack of oxygen for a prolonged period of time, so

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Speaker 10: instead of his blood having that red coloration, it has

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Speaker 1: you're saying. Lividity that means and regular people talk. For instance,

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Speaker 1: you die. Not going to discuss why you die, but

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Speaker 2: I understand that. But his whole body is purple, so.

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Speaker 1: I would think that a suitcase is not air tight,

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Speaker 2: Even if you don't have enough air, you.

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Speaker 10: Die correct over time, you're not getting enough oxygen, so

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Speaker 10: He's probably bald up in kind of a fetus position,

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Speaker 10: making it very difficult to breathe. So he is dying

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Speaker 2: Would be positional asphyxiation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, guys, before we go to Stephanie Buffer Monte,

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Speaker 1: listen to more of the nine on one all right.

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Speaker 7: Listen to me.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you need to confirm this one, all right, and

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Speaker 6: he conscious at all? No?

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Speaker 3: Be purple, He breathing, no, all right, I need you

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Speaker 2: Forth, Bay, I did, I did. I tried giving him CPR,

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Speaker 2: all right, I tried giving him CPR.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we will purple.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's call him as a cucumber.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me, investigative reporter Fox thirty five or Orlando,

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Buffe Monte, Stephanie, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Tell me what happened.

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Speaker 11: So what we're seeing is that cell phone video shows

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Speaker 11: what happened that night. So there are two videos, one

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Speaker 12: You'll see the suitcase is flipped the other way.

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Speaker 11: And when she was asked about this later by investigators,

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Speaker 11: she you know, they were saying.

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Speaker 12: Hey, you know, did you move the suitcase?

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Speaker 11: And she said she moved it from one side to

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Speaker 11: saying these really horrendous things. This guy is pleading for

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Speaker 1: Investigator reporter Fox thirty five, Orlando, Stephanie, you state that she,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Boon, said horrific things while the boyfriend is dying,

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Speaker 1: Like what what did she say?

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Speaker 11: So she was saying, shut up, this is what it

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Speaker 11: a vengeful. I mean, that's what investigators were saying in

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Speaker 11: that interrogation room with her saying she was sounding malicious,

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Speaker 11: saying that she was laughing at him, and we can

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Speaker 11: hear her laughing at him as he is pleading for

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Speaker 11: his life. But that part where she talks about this

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Speaker 11: is how I feel when you choke me kind of

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Speaker 11: speaks to their previous relation of domestic abuse, which we

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Speaker 11: know he had been arrested for previously in their relationship.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: That may be true, and I don't like that, but

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Speaker 1: the death penalty meet it out by her is not

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Speaker 1: the answer under our jurisprudence. He was in the suitcase

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Speaker 1: for three hours before.

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Speaker 2: She went to bed.

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Speaker 1: There is a video at eight twenty and a video

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Speaker 1: just after eleven PM. During that time, she flips over

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Speaker 1: the suitcase. I wonder why joining me an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: In addition to doctor Kendall, Crown's Philip Dubay defense attorney

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Speaker 1: and Stephanie Buffamonte to doctor Bethany Marshall, a renownced psycho analyst,

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Speaker 1: joining us out of LA She's a doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 1: dot com and you can see her right now on peacock.

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Speaker 1: She's the author of deal Breaker, Doctor bethany way in well.

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Speaker 6: In terms of domestic abuse, one of the reports read

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Speaker 1: WHOA welcome A Wait a minute, doctor Bethany Marshall, Slow down,

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Speaker 5: When I was reading the reports?

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Speaker 5: Even though we know it is not a defense at all.

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Speaker 6: I would be interested in looking at her online searches.

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Speaker 6: This is a person who wanted to kill him.

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Speaker 5: Let's be clear.

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Speaker 6: She thought about this for a long long time. She

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Speaker 6: You do not end up in a suitcase because you're

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Speaker 6: playing hide and seek, right, You can't zip the suitcase

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Speaker 5: And I said to him, you didn't do anything wrong.

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Speaker 6: And so I think sometimes you know this cool as

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Speaker 4: Putting a puzzle together, and we've been doing some ubera

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Speaker 2: You are putting a puzzle together.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we have a puzzle that we started in there.

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Speaker 4: We've been doing art, trying to take stuff off the

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Speaker 3: Like having a good time at one another. But we're drinking.

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Speaker 4: We had a bottle of wine last night.

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Speaker 4: So then it's like we decided to play hide and seek, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Robin Drake.

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Speaker 1: Why because he is a behavior expert and former FBI

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Speaker 1: Special Agent, chief of the FBI Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program,

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Speaker 1: cultivating power, powerful and lasting connections. Okay, I'm more interested

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Speaker 9: Well, not just in this moment, hernal lack the effect,

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Speaker 2: Okay, well explain that reasoning right there.

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Speaker 9: So how do you get a guy that is supposedly

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Speaker 9: It's also interesting too, I know we've mentioned it briefly,

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Speaker 9: need to control in her courtroom appearances, in that she

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Speaker 9: what more control do you have when you actually kill

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Buffamonte joining US investigative reporter Fox thirty five Orlando,

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Speaker 1: when Robin Drike just said she's been through a few attorneys.

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Speaker 1: She's been through eight attorneys at my last count, and

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Speaker 1: because of irreconcilable differences with her. She also pulls several

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Speaker 1: They're like a parade of defense attorneys. And when a

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Speaker 2: Dope dealer says, I can't take this woman. I'm out here.

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Speaker 2: That tells me something.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean to go through that many attorneys, and

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Speaker 11: She walked out of meetings when they were trying to

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Speaker 12: To show you something.

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Speaker 11: This is the flyer that she used to get her

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Speaker 11: And she wrote this in her jail cell.

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Speaker 12: And then put it out online.

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Speaker 11: And this is what the attorney said is what brought

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Speaker 12: He saw this on social media.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, she's on this saying Stephanie, I'll read.

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Speaker 11: It to you because it's very interesting. I've never seen

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Speaker 11: something like this before. It says inmate seeks attorney, show

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Speaker 1: Philip Debay joining US veteran trial lawyer out of LA

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Speaker 1: What about it, Debay? You ever had a flyer and

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Speaker 8: A classified ad. But I have seen inmates do similar things.

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Speaker 8: You know, they feel that their case is going to

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Speaker 2: I have seen those you know what.

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Speaker 1: That didn't work with eight prior lawyers. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: it's going to work with the ninth. You know, doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you were right right on point, because if

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Speaker 1: they were fighting with each other.

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Speaker 2: She has a battery by.

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Speaker 1: Strangulation against him, and every time she called the cops

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Speaker 6: That's right, and we know that abusers always abusers always

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Speaker 6: so that might also be what's happening when he's in

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Speaker 6: I imagine they were at a bar and he smiled

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Speaker 5: To have avenge.

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Speaker 6: I think this help wanted ad for an attorney is

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Speaker 6: She thinks she's going to be the next Casey Anthony,

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Speaker 2: Sarah Boon a Florida woman charged with.

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Speaker 1: Cajoling manipulating her boyfriend into a suitcase during an alleged

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Speaker 3: Listen for everything You've done to me, Sarah, for everything

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Sarah Sarah.

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Speaker 5: Stupid Sarah, that's my name.

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Speaker 2: Don't hearn No, Sarah, I can't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when you're doing.

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Speaker 11: You shook me, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah, Sarah.

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Speaker 5: I can't breathe.

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Speaker 3: That's on you, Sarah.

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Speaker 3: That's on you, Sarah. Realer nds and I want to

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Speaker 2: Good to get it so.

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Speaker 5: I can't believe.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's what I feel like.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he should probably shout, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: Dr Bethony Marshall joining US psychoanalystide of LA. How could

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Speaker 6: He could not zip up the suitcase from the inside.

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Speaker 6: So this whole hide and seek thing, a three year

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Speaker 6: him there, and I'm very curious about how she might

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Speaker 6: have lured him there. I'm guessing, as I said earlier,

449
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Speaker 6: that she's thought about this for a long long time.

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Speaker 6: She planned this, She didn't want to poison him, didn't

451
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Speaker 6: want to stab him. That's too obvious. So dressing it

452
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Speaker 6: up as sex.

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Speaker 5: Play, you know, you get in the suitcase and then

454
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Speaker 5: we're going to have a lot of fun afterwards. That's

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Speaker 5: what she did.

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Speaker 6: She made up sort of a fictitious game that they

457
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Speaker 6: were playing to put him in that suitcase. And you know, Nancy,

458
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Speaker 6: do you see that suitcase heaving as she's watching. It's

459
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Speaker 6: like he's trying to expand his body to get some

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Speaker 6: space to breathe. And also we have to acknowledge the

461
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Speaker 6: sadism involved in this. I mean, who of us are

462
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Speaker 6: not claustrophobic in some cases? So putting him in a

463
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Speaker 6: claustrophobic situation is incredible cruelty. No, it's not, you know,

464
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Speaker 6: putting out your cigarette butts on him. It's not strangling him,

465
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Speaker 6: it's not pulling out his fingernails.

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Speaker 5: But it is incredibly.

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Speaker 1: Psychologically cruel Curious how he ends up in that suitcase

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Speaker 1: and whether he zipped himself in. I think that's impossible.

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Speaker 1: She had to zip him in. Stephanie Buffamonte joining us

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Speaker 1: from Fox thirty five. Stephanie, do we know the size

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Speaker 1: of that suitcase?

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Speaker 11: I don't know the exact size, but you can kind

473
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Speaker 11: of see in the room where it's placed. It looks

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Speaker 11: like your average suitcase, not super big, but she said

475
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Speaker 11: it was something that they were using.

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Speaker 12: It was downstairs because they were going to bring.

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Speaker 2: Clothes to goodwill.

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Speaker 11: And to Bethany's point, investigators say he was actually trying

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Speaker 11: to be It looked like he was pushing himself, trying

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Speaker 11: to push himself out of the suitcase. Now, Sarah and

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Speaker 11: missu zipping up the suitcase. She said she zipped it up,

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Speaker 11: but she said that she thought that there were he

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Speaker 11: had two fingers out where he was going to be

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Speaker 11: able to unzip it.

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Speaker 12: But you can see in the video the suitcase is

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Speaker 12: flipped the other way.

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Speaker 11: So if you think of it like how you're packing

488
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Speaker 11: for a vacation, you open it up, you know that

489
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Speaker 11: that's the thin layer on top, but it was flipped

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Speaker 11: the other way around in that later video.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, what is it with murder and suitcases

492
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Speaker 1: that there has to I mean, I've got so many

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Speaker 1: suitcase examples, real life cases where people were killed and

494
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Speaker 1: disposed of in left in suitcases. There's got to be

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Speaker 1: some psychological or psychiatric connection.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's the most convenient way to transport something. Right,

497
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Speaker 6: So if you want to hide a body, put the

498
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Speaker 6: body in the suitcase. But in this particular case, Sarah Boone,

499
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Speaker 6: I think she wanted to create a claustrophobic situation for him.

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Speaker 6: I think she wanted to put him in something where

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Speaker 6: she could still hear him, he could breathe the tiny

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Speaker 6: little bit so she could taunt and torment and torture

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Speaker 6: him over time. And from this standpoint, the suitcase seems

504
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Speaker 6: quite convenient. I mean, disposing of a child in a

505
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Speaker 6: field and putting them into suitcase just seems like you

506
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Speaker 6: haven't adequately prepared the dump site. In this case, she

507
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Speaker 6: thought about this, She prepared this. She may have even said,

508
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Speaker 6: he's sweetie, let's go take close to the Goodwill so

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Speaker 6: that she could put the suitcase downstairs and then put

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Speaker 6: him in it.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, dare I disagree with you on a

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Speaker 1: psychological point, but I think there's more to it, or

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Speaker 1: the act of putting someone in a suitcase. You're packing

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Speaker 1: them away. They're like an object. You zip it up

515
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Speaker 1: and leave them. They're out of your purview, they're out

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Speaker 1: of your mind. Basically, dehumanizing them. You said it's an

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Speaker 1: easy way to transport somebody, Well, it's leaking blood and

518
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Speaker 1: human bodily fluids. The act of transporting someone in a suitcase.

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Speaker 1: That's got to mean something. I mean, I'm coming to

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Speaker 1: you for expertise, doctor Bethany, not say oh yeah, carrying

521
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Speaker 1: the body really really easily in a roller board.

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Speaker 2: Not what I was expecting, Bethany.

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Speaker 6: Okay, two things come to mind the cases we've covered

524
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Speaker 6: Dig Deep, Okay, Dig Deep, that women and their families

525
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Speaker 6: who have been put in tunnels secreted away behind a

526
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Speaker 6: door so that the perpetrator can have absolute control over them,

527
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Speaker 6: or children or women who have been buried in terms

528
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Speaker 6: of an act of cruelty so they suffocate alive. And

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Speaker 6: I think that there's some confluence of factors here where

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Speaker 6: the perpetrator wants absolute control over the victim and being

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Speaker 6: able to transport them wherever you want.

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Speaker 5: Is also a form of control.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I glad I hear for Bromian.

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Speaker 4: Together, and we've been doing some ubera there there you

535
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Speaker 4: are putting a puzzle together.

536
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Speaker 2: Yes, we have a puzzle that we started in there.

537
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Speaker 4: Okay, we've been doing art time, taking stuff off the

538
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Speaker 4: law to make new art put up there like having a.

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Speaker 5: Good time at one another.

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Speaker 3: But we're drinking.

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Speaker 4: We had a bottle of wine last night.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So then it's like we tried to play hide and

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Speaker 4: feet right, Okay, So he gets in the suitcase.

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Speaker 2: Okay, co was this? That's my first friend, my former husband.

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Speaker 2: How did he live?

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Speaker 10: Heay with you?

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Speaker 11: By no?

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Speaker 2: I called him over here?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, wait a minute, how did the former husband

551
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Speaker 1: get there before the police are the EMTs?

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Speaker 2: I guess he has some stories he could tell.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie Buffamonte joining us Fox thirty five, she called the husband,

554
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Speaker 1: her ex husband, to the same before she called perimedics

555
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Speaker 1: to try to save the victim.

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Speaker 12: Yes, so she called her ex husband.

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Speaker 11: First he came over, and then she said, about five

558
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Speaker 11: minutes after he came over, she then called nine to

559
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Speaker 11: one one. And what's interesting, if you watched the bondycam video,

560
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Speaker 11: the husband had said he had been there. The ex husband,

561
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Speaker 11: excuse me, had said he had been calling her all

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Speaker 11: morning because she was supposed to take care of their

563
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Speaker 11: kid or something like that, and that she was known

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Speaker 11: to be drunk a lot of the times. And then

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Speaker 11: he also talked about their relationship being so rocky and

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Speaker 11: that there had been domestic abuse before, so he kind

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Speaker 11: of was already telling deputies right away that she has

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Speaker 11: had problems before. We also heard from investigators that they

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Speaker 11: spoke to her neighbors who kind of painted the same

570
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Speaker 11: picture of her, someone who gets drunk a lot. And

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Speaker 11: you know, here's issues with the two of them in

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Speaker 11: their in their apartment.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you got to hear this.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to her speaking to police where she

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Speaker 1: complains she's the one suffering.

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Speaker 4: And then I called him while I wasn't start, probably

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Speaker 4: giving me a fall apart here.

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Speaker 2: Let me fill this, Deputyanne, Okay, leave, ma'am. My doctor Pepper.

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Speaker 2: I am at cut, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: And you can't talk to him until we get that cyber.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just don't leave, okay, Bryan.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. She's suffering because she has dry mouth. I've

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Speaker 1: got severe cotton mouth.

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Speaker 2: May I have my doctor Pepper, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: She's really climes.

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Speaker 2: He's drunk this time. Okay, she's totally sober.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 5: Actually, when you drink a lot, you do get thirsty.

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Speaker 5: That's one of the signs so that I hear.

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Speaker 2: So you're actually saying that to me, or did you

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Speaker 2: actually say that? First?

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Speaker 1: You say a suitcase is a great way to transport

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Speaker 1: a dead body. Now you're defending her with her cotton mouth?

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, who kills your doctor Bethany and is wearing

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Speaker 2: her skin?

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Speaker 6: I think it's fascinating that she's already thought of the

598
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Speaker 6: defense before she calls the police. Right. She says that

599
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Speaker 6: this is a happy domestic situation. In so many words,

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Speaker 6: they're putting.

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Speaker 5: Together a puzzle. They're going to remove art from the wall.

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Speaker 6: It's sort of like there's this cozy domestic situation going

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Speaker 6: on between the two of.

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Speaker 2: Them and this except that he's dead.

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Speaker 5: Except that he's dead. But she's thought a long time

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Speaker 5: about this, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Robin Drake, help me out.

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Speaker 1: You're the chief of the FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program.

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Speaker 1: She's he's dead, he's purple, and she's whining that she

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Speaker 1: has cotton mouth, and she demands her doctor Pepper.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's all about her. Everything's all about her, And

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Speaker 9: we're seeing we're seeing this life arc of her that

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Speaker 9: we're even getting a glimpse of it from her ex

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Speaker 9: husband is seeing a pattern of substance abuse, a pattern

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Speaker 9: of self centeredness that the child, if there's a child

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Speaker 9: involved here, it sounds like the child lives with him.

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Speaker 9: And then really interesting language that she's using as well.

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Speaker 9: She in one of the stayments, she said, I put

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Speaker 9: him in a suitcase. Not he got in the suitcase,

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Speaker 9: It was I put in. Then she count it at

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Speaker 9: a later time saying that he got in. So which

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Speaker 9: is it? I think again it goes back to the

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Speaker 9: self centeredness control, and I'm on board with you with

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Speaker 9: She completely objectified him, dehumanize him by putting him in

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Speaker 9: a suitcase like a thing, like an object.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's one more thing. You know, she's really got

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Speaker 2: to get her sleep. Listen. I don't know what happened, okay.

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Speaker 12: And then you weren't sure about if you woke up

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Speaker 12: this morning.

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Speaker 2: They went after it.

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Speaker 13: I mean I wasn't late afternoon, but I just didn't

632
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Speaker 13: want to come.

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Speaker 2: Downstairs, okay.

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Speaker 13: Laid in the bed for a little while, and then

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Speaker 13: I eventually came out stairs, mused about where he was,

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Speaker 13: and then I was like, oh my god, he's a

637
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Speaker 13: big page fill. So I pulled him out and I

638
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Speaker 13: expressed him out and I started to describe me a

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Speaker 13: CPR one. I called you guys who I called Frank

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Speaker 13: and then I as soon as he.

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Speaker 2: Got here, which is heard.

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Speaker 1: To take him down the road, I called you guy,

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Speaker 1: Philip Dubay, veteran defense attorney joining us out of LA.

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Speaker 1: So she just decided to sleep in that morning, didn't

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Speaker 1: want to come downstairs.

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Speaker 2: I guess didn't want to see the dead body in

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Speaker 2: the suitcase. You really believe she slept.

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Speaker 1: Through the night with him in a suitcase and then

649
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Speaker 1: the next morning decided to just sleep in.

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Speaker 2: Have a nice long nap.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I do. The Blasei Cavalier attitude about it tells

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Speaker 8: us that she was probably a little hungover that she

653
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Speaker 8: slept the night through from having down three four glasses

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Speaker 8: of wine. It probably really loosened her up to the

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Speaker 8: point where she just knotted off, fell asleep, woke up,

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Speaker 8: and then when she realized what she had done, she

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Speaker 8: picks up the phone and called nine one one in

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Speaker 8: a panic. You know, usually in the suitcase homicides Nancy,

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Speaker 8: what they do is they leave the body in the

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Speaker 8: suitcase and they find the appropriate dumping spot to get

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Speaker 8: rid of it. To try to cover it up. She

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Speaker 8: didn't do that. The first thing she told nine one

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Speaker 8: one is she tried to give the mouth to mouth.

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Speaker 8: Try to give a mouth.

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Speaker 1: You say you're the only one that's tried a lot

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Speaker 1: of homicides. Listen, killers aren't always rocket scientists. They're not

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Speaker 1: brain surgeons. They're not like Bethany or doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 1: You don't really give her a gold star? What an

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Speaker 1: a plus?

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Speaker 2: Because she didn't dispose of the body.

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Speaker 8: No, her mouth got her into the biggest trouble. If

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Speaker 8: you want to be honest about it.

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Speaker 1: She ran I was she zipping her boyfriend into the

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Speaker 1: suitcase and letting him die. Why she taunts him is

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Speaker 1: what got her into trouble. And to you, doctor Kendall Crowns,

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Speaker 1: if they split a bottle of wine, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know that they even did that, and they split it

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Speaker 1: right down the middle, so she had two glasses, three

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Speaker 1: glasses maybe, and that makes her sleep.

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Speaker 2: Till one o'clock the next day, I'm not buying that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'd be surprised by that too, because three glasses

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Speaker 10: of wine would put her blood alcohol at about point

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Speaker 10: zero six, So she's not even at the legal limit

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Speaker 10: for intoxication, So I don't think she's wiped out all

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Speaker 10: day from three glasses of wine.

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Speaker 2: Illaheam, what do you tell his parents?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: What's the reason us away?

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Speaker 11: We know about them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that we're gonna be waiting for the autopasy results.

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Speaker 6: I mean I will be at the autoposy in the

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Speaker 6: way and hopefully the doctor will be able to give.

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Speaker 3: Me some of what they think and see.

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Speaker 9: Contact them.

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Speaker 12: But yeah, they're gonna they're gonna know what we're here,

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Speaker 12: what you know, what we're.

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Speaker 2: Investigating, and that we're still They're going to think I

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Speaker 2: had to know him.

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Speaker 4: They always have said that.

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Speaker 13: They've always, always always have said.

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Speaker 12: That, I told you it's because I'm the blue.

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Speaker 2: Eyed white dragon.

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Speaker 1: So his body is purple, body is still inside dead

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Speaker 1: And she's like, what.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to tell parents? Now? That's not all

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Speaker 2: listen to this.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you all understand who I am where.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I've always been.

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Speaker 2: A straightedge student.

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Speaker 7: I am an outstanding motor to my son.

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Speaker 2: I sell everything.

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Speaker 7: I I would not do that you wouldn't watch him

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Speaker 7: to do. Somebody on a suitcase, Well I didn't like

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Speaker 7: completely like it.

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Speaker 5: I mean I opened it with one finger.

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Speaker 2: I left enough in there for to get out, and

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Speaker 2: I wasn't planning.

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Speaker 7: On going upstairs and I'm going to sleep.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so going upstairs and you going to sleep. That

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Speaker 1: was an accellent too, robinsriq.

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Speaker 2: What is she saying?

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Speaker 1: She's really digging her own grave with her own teeth.

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Speaker 1: The more she talks, the deeper the grave gets. Because

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Speaker 1: she says, hey, you don't know who I am. I'm

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Speaker 1: all a student. That sounds to me like when Debral mcfae,

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Speaker 1: who was charged with Childwi's station of young young boys,

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Speaker 1: basically argued I'm too pretty to go to jail. Or

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Speaker 1: ethan couch he mowed down a whole group of people

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Speaker 1: on the side of the road and he says, I'm

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Speaker 1: too rich to go to jail. This one's saying I

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Speaker 1: shouldn't go to jail because ooh, because I'm an straight

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Speaker 1: a student.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and she's also you's an interesting language here as well.

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Speaker 9: She didn't say I didn't do that. She said I

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Speaker 9: wouldn't do that. So she's distancing herself from the actual

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Speaker 9: event itself. It's a classic thing. We've seen a lot

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Speaker 9: of different murder trials and we're a lot of different

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Speaker 9: murderers that they've tried to diss themselves from their victims

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Speaker 9: by using language that is like that. Again, her lack

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Speaker 9: of effector in the entire process is profound, and it

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Speaker 9: keeps focusing on her. She's not having any reaction that

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Speaker 9: you expect from someone that just lost someone's close them, boyfriend, husband, anyone.

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Speaker 9: She just seems completely unaffected by the entire thing except

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Speaker 9: the impact on her.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, buff A Monte. You spoke with lawyer number nine.

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Speaker 2: What did you learn?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so he was in court yesterday for a pre

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Speaker 12: trial hearing.

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Speaker 11: That new lawyer is James Owens, and he was the

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Speaker 11: person who saw that flyer and decided he wanted to

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Speaker 11: defend Sarah Boone. And he was talking yesterday about what

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Speaker 11: his defense is going to be and he said it's

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Speaker 11: going well. He would like it to be batter spouse syndrome.

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Speaker 11: And we know the trial is on October seventh. And

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Speaker 11: because of all the delays with lawyer after lawyer after lawyer,

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Speaker 11: then Sarah saying that she was going to defend herself

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Speaker 11: and now getting this latest attorney, the attorney had asked

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Speaker 11: for a continuance so he could get time to get

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Speaker 11: a forensic psychologist and other witnesses, because he has to

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Speaker 11: file his motion for defense on the ninth of September,

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Speaker 11: because you have to do that thirty days out. So

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Speaker 11: now time is of the essence.

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Speaker 12: And you can see it and hear it in that

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Speaker 12: newest attorney's voice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll see what Attorney number nine has to say.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye,

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Speaker 1: Fred