1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, We're coming to Salt Lake City, Utah and Phoenix, 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Arizona this fall. Yeah, October, we're going to be at 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: Salt Lake Cities Grand Theater and then the next night 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: October will be in Phoenix. And we added a second 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: show to our Melbourne show, right, that's right, a second 6 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: earlier show in Melbourne. So you can get all the 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: information for all of these shows at s y s 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: K live dot com. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W Chuck Bryant, 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: and there's the ghost of Jerry Rouran and the empty chair. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Thanks you love this, Thanks again to Ramsey. Yeah, thanks Ramsey. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: How do we feel about this? I feel great. The 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: pill is it has everything. This might be I just 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: love this episode already. I do too, but I kind 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: of like when we did the female Puberty episode. I 17 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: just feel nervous. This is gonna be fine. Dude, explaining 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: female reproduction. I just I don't know. Hey, man, We're 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: just we're just explaining stuff. I know. I know. It's 20 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: not like we're we're We're just we're just explaining stuff. 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Just be cool. Hey, before we get going, dude, do 22 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: you mind if I do a little pluggage for my 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: movie Crush show? Do you plug away? So everybody murdering 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: nos out there, you know, I love my favorite murder 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: of the podcast and just got back from l A 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: and Karen and Georgia were kind enough to sit in 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: and do a movie crush with me. That's awesome, man, 28 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: that's huge. It was huge because I'm such a fan 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: and they were great and murderingos you should know. They 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: are warm and friendly and lovely and generous. And I 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: was a little nervous meeting them because I was like, ah, 32 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: what if it's gone to their heads and their jerks. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: But they were great. They were so awesome and nice 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: and we had a blast, and of course I they 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: let me pick the movie because it's a Murderino special 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and we did the Silence of the Lambs. Oh man, 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: that's a great movie. Yeah. So not only that, but 38 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: we talked about their life and live shows and touring 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: and their rise to podcast stardom and about all the 40 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: people they've kidnapped and killed. Yeah, it's great, man. It's 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: an hour and forty minutes long, so it's supersized and 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. And even if you don't like 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: my favorite murder, it might be a good chance for 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: you to check out movie Crush. Yeah, so go check 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: it out. Everybody. When's that one coming out? Chuck, it's 46 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: already out. Just drop this last Friday. So wait, so 47 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: you guys don't even have to wait wait wait, wait, wait, 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: listen to this episode first and then go listen to 49 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: that movie Crushed. Actually doesn't matter, just listen to them both. 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: All right, you ready to get to this? Yeah? Man, 51 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: all right, so let's talk the pill. Yeah, the opposite 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: of having kids, the pharmaceutical so famous that it's called 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: the pill. It is there. I read this New Yorker 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: article about a book on the birth of the pill, 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: and now I'm talking about it, so everything comes full circle. Um. 56 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: And they were saying, like, there's like, you don't call 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: anything else the pill, Like viagra is not the pill, 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: Antibiotics isn't the pill. Um, you don't call it the 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: vacuum or the meat grinder, right, Like, there's there's really 60 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: nothing like that, nothing compares to it. And it's it's 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: for good reason. I mean, the pill is monumentally huge 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: as far as pharmaceuticals and medicine goes on the scale 63 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: of antibiotics easily. Yeah, and it's um, it's the very 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: first medication that was designed for a non therapeutic purpose too. Yes, 65 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: very interesting and so it's really difficult to over to 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: overstate how much of an impact the pill had when 67 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: they released it in I think nineteen sixties when it 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: first history first. Yeah, let's let's do that. So let 69 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: me set the stage for you please. Oh, you're bringing 70 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: a couch out back in back in the day. I'm 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: gonna do my Charles Nelson Riley one man show impression. 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: Back in the day. Um, if you were a woman 73 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: and you didn't want to get pregnant, you had to 74 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: coordinate with your husband, Um that he wear a condom. Okay, sure, 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: your boyfriend, Well, that's like a whole other kettle fish 76 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: at this time, supposedly and socially that went on all 77 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: the time. There's plenty of premrital sex, but socially speaking, 78 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: only single men were allowed to have premarital sex, which 79 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: is like, who are they having premarital sex with? Then? Right, 80 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: if they're the only ones allowed to have premarital sex, 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: considering considering everyone refused to officially recognize homosexuality even existed. 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: And where you're getting okay, so there's a lot of 83 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: double standards, a lot of repression going on. But if 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: you were if you were a woman and you wanted 85 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: to have sex, so whether it was with the guy 86 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: you were having sex with or your husband, you you 87 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: basically had to say you got to wear a condom. 88 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: And if you said no, well you were s O 89 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: L one way or another, either you weren't having sex 90 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: or you're gonna have sex without a condom. And if 91 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: that happened, there was a really good chance that you 92 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: were going to end up getting pregnant just from having sex. Yeah, 93 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: the ball was entirely in the man's court and women 94 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: did not have much say in the matter. No, they didn't. 95 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: There were a couple of things on the market so 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: before the industrial the Industrial revolution, they were like folk 97 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: remedies where you could use herbs and stuff like that. 98 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: Basically I think they're called herbal douches where you're just 99 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: like squeezing stuff in there and hoping for hoping for 100 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: the best, right. Um, And then by the depression there's 101 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: something there's a whole line of stuff called uh, gynecological 102 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: aids or feminine hygiene, I think is what it is called. 103 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: And some of them worked, some of them kind of worked, 104 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: some of them didn't work. Some of them worked but 105 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: would kill you or give you chemical burns. There was 106 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: a lot of problems, so you didn't have a lot 107 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: of options, right, And then along with the fact that 108 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: you you actually didn't have that many options socially, in 109 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty, thirty states and the federal government said you 110 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: can't have anything that that can be used as a contraceptive, 111 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: and you can't even learn about it from your doctor 112 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: or from school. Thirty states in the federal government. This 113 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: is nineteen fifty. Ten years later, the pill comes out, 114 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: and a couple of years after that, five million American 115 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: women are using it as a contraception, and they now 116 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: it was in their hands. They had the ability to 117 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: decide for themselves whether sex laed to pregnancy or not. Well, 118 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: and sort of even then, right because not all states 119 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: allowed it and not all doctors would give it out right, 120 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like, oh, the FDA said it's good 121 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: to go, so we can all get it. It was 122 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: still a fight for years and years of decades it 123 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: really was. So I guess we should start with a 124 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: woman named Margaret Sanger. She is very controversial figure, uh, 125 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: founder of planned parenthood. She's a nurse, and she wrote 126 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen twelve about a magic pill that could prevent conception. Yeah, 127 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: just a theoretical hypothetical pill, right, and um, she's controversial 128 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: for many reasons, um, not the leases which is her 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: she was anti abortion. Um, kind of when she was 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: most famous, she was anti abortion and kind of went 131 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: all in on the pill and was like, this is 132 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: the way to do it, is to prevent the pregnancy 133 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: once you're pregnant. Sorry. Uh, and then you know there's 134 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: the whole eugenics thing. We should do a podcast on 135 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: her probably at some point we should, because that's a 136 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: that's a rabbit hole right there. Yeah. So, but she 137 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: was the early champion of it. She was she coined 138 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: the term birth control and I think nineteen twelve as well. Yeah. 139 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: So in nineteen fourteen she started a newsletter called The 140 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Woman Rebel. That's where birth control was first typed out 141 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: and distributed the words like you said. And then in 142 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, some breakthroughs happened, uh in science where 143 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: they were able to identify a progesterone and estrogen and 144 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: realized kind of how it all worked. Yeah, so at 145 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: first they were looking at this stuff as our fertility drugs, 146 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: and then they noticed that it actually could suppress fertility. 147 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: And as they were I think this is in the 148 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: forties when they were really starting in earnest or is 149 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: it the twenties. Well, I mean they were sy synthesizing 150 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: it from animals, and it was in early ninety one. 151 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they were even synthesizing. I think they 152 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: were extracting it. And then that's what you got in 153 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: your pill was animal hormones. Well it's says synthis eyes 154 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: from animals, so maybe it was a process. But um, 155 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: eventually Dr Marker, Dr Russell Marker, I just said it 156 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: like James Bond. For some reason, he discovered how to 157 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: synthesize the synthetic form of progesterone, which is called progestine, 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: and that really this is from wild yams, believe it 159 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: or not. So he did that and that changed everything. 160 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: It did. It made it cheaper, it made it easier 161 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: to obtain. You could research all of a sudden, right, 162 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: but you still couldn't really research right, because there were 163 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: laws on even doing research on birth control. So the 164 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: people who were doing this it started out as Margaret 165 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: Sanger she um, she hooked up with a doctor named 166 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Pinkus and Gregory Pinkus who was a biologist and he 167 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: was interested in in coming up with birth control as well. Um. 168 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Mary McCormick was there for St Mary Catherine Catherine McCormick 169 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: of the McCormick Uh, I guess the spices, okay, so 170 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: um she uh. She lent a tremendous amount of her 171 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: wealth to this to this research. And then a guy 172 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: named John Rock who was a doctor who was also 173 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: working on a birth control pill. Um. They all joined 174 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: forces in the nineteen fifties and started working on this 175 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: really hard. But they had a lot of roadblocks up 176 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: against him, and they cut a lot of corners and 177 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: getting this thing out into market. Yeah, like going to 178 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico too, because they had to trials, right, and 179 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: so this is not like Puerto Rico was like, we 180 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: don't want this, but you're forcing it on us. Anyway, 181 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico had the exact opposite attitude towards birth control 182 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: that the United States did at the time. So there 183 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: was a good place to do it. They just didn't 184 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: inform anybody what was going on with this, that this 185 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: was a clinical trial. They just gave him some pills 186 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: and said you take these, they'll keep you from getting pregnant. Yeah, 187 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: which they kind of came about by accident. Uh. Some 188 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: of the pills were contaminated with s regen and they 189 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: used that in scare quotes, I guess just because what 190 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: they really mean is mixed by accident, and that reduced 191 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the side effects because that was one 192 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: of the big problems at first and continue to be 193 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: for a while. And eventually they landed on UM, a 194 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: drug company called Cyril. There were two competing ones, another 195 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: one of Syntax and Cyril. So you pronounced it Cyril cyrile. 196 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: That's what I'm going with. S A R L e 197 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: u he Zerril. They finally came up with they thought 198 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: was the right formulation and uh. In nineteen sixty two, 199 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Syntax came out with their version and then pretty soon 200 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 1: it was being marketed and distributed after FDA approval in 201 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: so yeah. So Cyril was the one who hooked up 202 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: with UM Sanger in in Rock Yeah and UM they 203 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: were the ones who provided the pills for the clinical trial, 204 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico. There was also a clinical trial in 205 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: at a women's mental asylum in Massachusetts, and the patients 206 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: there didn't have any informed consent. And when they released 207 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: this formula um, first it was for gonecological disorders things 208 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: like O vary insists. They knew it could be used 209 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: to treat that, and Cyril at the time was like, 210 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: they had no expectations for this whatsoever. And then within 211 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: a year there were half a million women in America 212 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: who were suddenly using this for gnecological problems, and Cyril 213 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: figured out, well, no, they're actually using it for contraception. 214 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: And so when they went and saw at FDA approval 215 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: and got it, that was when the floodgates opened, Like 216 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: there was now a pill on the market that could 217 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: prevent contraception that was the woman's to take, and um, 218 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden there was the first year there 219 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: was one point two million American women on the pill, 220 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: and Cyril at first thought, they're not gonna want this. 221 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: Women are gonna want to take a pill every day 222 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: to keep from getting pregnant. But they couldn't even finish 223 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: the name pregnant before like the pills were being grabbed 224 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: from their hand. Yeah, you know, there was a huge deal, 225 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: it was uh. And then these pills were not very safe. 226 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: That's that's the upshot of this. The estrogen. There was 227 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: way too much estrogen. It was dangerous, it was causing cancer. Uh. 228 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: And in nineteen sixty nine, a very famous book came 229 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: out called The Doctor's Case against the Pill, written by 230 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: a medical journalist named Barbara Sieman, and she got together 231 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: with a bunch of doctors and researchers and women uh 232 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: and made a case against the pill that it wasn't safe. 233 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: It was a senator named gay Lord Nelson who read 234 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: the book took on birth control um in Senate hearings, 235 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: and in January in the Senate Chamber there was this 236 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: testimony about the pill going on, of course run only 237 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: by men, with only men testifying providing witness testimony. But 238 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: there was a one in their named Alice Wolfson and 239 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: her group, the DC Women's Liberation Group. They were sitting 240 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: there just getting more and more steamed. Yeah, in these 241 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: in these hearings. At this time, these hearies were kind 242 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: of under the radar until Alice Wolfson, Like the Blue 243 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: c Span wasn't a thing yet, so they were just 244 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: getting more and more steamed watching all these men get 245 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: up there and talking about women's reproductive health. And but 246 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: not only that, they were also these people were talking 247 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: about how how dangerous the side effects were with the pill, hypertension, 248 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: blood coots, heart attacks, high blood pressure, um stroke, all 249 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: of these things. And these the women in the DC 250 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Women's lib Movement uh and including Alice Wilson, were like, 251 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: We've never heard this before in our lives. How did 252 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,359 Speaker 1: our doctors not tell us this? Well, that was the backstory, 253 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: is that the none of the doctors were sharing this 254 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: information because they were getting and it's you know, I 255 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: think there's always been a problem not across the board, 256 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: but with doctors and pharmaceutical companies pushing start and drugs 257 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: over others. But even but at the time it was 258 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: way worse than it is now, Like there was an 259 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: actual yeah, there was. There was a a mentality among doctors, 260 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: male doctors, um who who believed that if if you 261 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: a woman was better off not knowing, you didn't want 262 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: to get her all upset by giving her all the information, 263 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: and um if you did tell her, you ran the risk. 264 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: Since women were so suggestible she might develop a stroke 265 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: just by thinking about it so much, so it was 266 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: better off just not telling her about it. That was 267 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: the entire medical establishment at the time. And so the 268 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: pill went from this feminist icon in the sixties to 269 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: buy nineteen seventy becoming a an icon for white male patriarchy. 270 00:15:53,560 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: Medical patriarchy and how UM patients informed consent was was 271 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: a paramount issue now and it just took on this 272 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: other role well, and informed consent was literally born that day. 273 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: At that hearing, they finally heard an expert say estrogen 274 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: is to cancer what fertilizer is to wheat, and Alice 275 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: Wolfson stood up and started screaming. She was screaming, why 276 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: are you using women as guinea pigs? Why are you 277 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: letting drug companies murderers for profit and convenience? And it 278 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of media attention, and really the aftermath 279 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: of those hearings is when this consumer health movement started 280 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: and they started informed consent. They started having to list 281 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: um side effects on bottles, and you know, it wasn't 282 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: an overnight thing, but it really changed the form uh 283 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical industry forever. So the pill managed to accept this 284 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: um UH I guess iconography, right, it became a symbol 285 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: for this other thing. Yeah, but still and if you 286 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: keep on keeping on like like, I think eighteen seven 287 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: percent of women between eighteen and forty nine in the 288 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: US followed those hearings once um Alice Wolfson and the 289 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 1: DC Women's Lib movement like made it a national thing, 290 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: um and I think eighteen percent of them stopped taking 291 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: the pill as a result. But the pill really didn't 292 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: fall out of popularity. It stood in as the as 293 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: the icon for informed consent, and then just after that 294 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: was established, it just went back to being the pill. 295 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 1: I think that's amazing because it was this huge thing 296 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty for one thing, huge thing in nineteen 297 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: seventy for another thing, and now it's it's it's part 298 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: of the cultural zeite guys, forever. Should we take a break, Yes, 299 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take a break. We're all excited 300 00:17:49,359 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: about history and now we're gonna get into uh science. Hey, 301 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: let's talk menstrual cycles? All right, let's man, because that's 302 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: all that's going on here is the pill manipulates the 303 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: menstrual cycle by tricking the body with synthetic hormones. Yes, 304 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: it tricks the body into thinking it's already released an egg. 305 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: It's pretty brilliant, it is. It is, UM, but it's 306 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: also kind of low fi if you think about it, 307 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: it is very low it's neat. So we should kind 308 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: of give you um an idea of what the menstrual 309 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: cycle is. Right, it's twenty eight days generally, Yes, that's 310 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: the that's the rule of thumb. But yes, it's certainly different. 311 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: And I think it's also down to like hours and 312 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: stuff like that too. It's not just dateies. It's a 313 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: human construct you now, But have you stopped and never 314 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: thought about, like how interesting it is that the cycle 315 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: of the moon is like twenty eight days as well. Yeah, 316 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. No, I didn't say it when fascinating. 317 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: I never stopped it. I just just in researching this, 318 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: I was like, that's the cycle of the moon as well. 319 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: That's interesting. So anyway, UM, over the say roughly twenty 320 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: eight day period. UM, the whole thing starts with the 321 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: pituitary gland getting a little froggy and saying, hey, I'm 322 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: going to release some follicle stimulating hormone at s H 323 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: and that stuff floods the body and it makes its 324 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: way down to the ovaries and it stimulates follicles, hence 325 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: the name, that's right. It makes these follicles and the 326 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: ovaries grow, and it just sets off a big series 327 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: of events. Basically, estrogen is triggers that pituitary gland again, yeah, 328 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: because the follicles then in turn release estrogen, right, yeah, 329 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: And so the pewitary gland is busy because then it 330 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: secretes what's called gonadotropin releasing hormone G little in big R, 331 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: big H, one of the better abbreviations ever, Yeah, because 332 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: it looks sort of like guns and roses a little bit. Yeah. Uh. 333 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: And that triggers arise in lutenizing hormone LH. Right, and 334 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: so lutenizing hormone goes back down to the ovarian follicles 335 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: and it what it gets one of the follicles. So, 336 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: if you have a bunch of ovarian follicles growing, one 337 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: of them is going to clearly it's the lead horse, right, 338 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: It's going to develop into an egg. And as the 339 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: lutenizing hormone stimulates it to develop into an egg, the 340 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: egg pops off. The rest of the other follicles wither 341 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: and die. And then the egg travels down um, the 342 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: fallopian tube, where it may or may not be fertilized. Yeah, 343 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: this is called ovulation. And while this is going on 344 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: in the background, the uterine lining the endometrium is thickening 345 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: up right, it's getting ready for business. And the reason 346 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: that is is because the estrogen and the lutenizing hormone 347 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: are are causing that to happen. Yeah, they're just rising 348 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: and rising. So, Um, the the mucus in the vagina 349 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like even more than usual right now. But 350 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: the mucus in the in the vagina also, um, does 351 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: it thicken? So it thickens? Is that after the egg 352 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: has been fertilized, because I think it would make it, 353 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: it would become okay, so it d thickens. The uterine 354 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: lining thickens. I think the vaginal mucus makes it makes 355 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: it easier for sperm to make its way correct, Okay. 356 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: So that's so if all that goes um according to 357 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: the genetic plan, then those sperm are gonna make their 358 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: way to an egg. The egg is gonna be come fertilized. 359 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna come down the flop and to attached to 360 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: the uterus. And it's going to start to grow into 361 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: a child. It might also not happen either. Um. The 362 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: woman involved might not have sex, so there might be 363 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: no sperm. Um, the sperm might not make it. There 364 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: might be some sort of barrier method being made, or 365 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: the dude may have that sperm. Sure. Um. Regardless of 366 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: how this happens, If the egg is not fertilized, the 367 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: egg eventually weathers up itself and dissolves, and that thickened 368 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: endometrium uh is shed. Basically, yeah, the uterine lining is shed. Yes, 369 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: so um, when they have like kind of iron rich 370 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: blood tissue, Okay, that is menstruation, that's menstruation. So when 371 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: you think of, um, but that's your period. Yeah, the 372 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: whole thing's menstruation. But yeah, okay, it's like a twenty 373 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: eight day cycle is menstruation because I always think of like, yeah, 374 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: the periods menstruation. No, that's actually the end of menstruation. 375 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: And then the whole cycle begins again. Right after that time, 376 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: the pituitary glands like oh, all right, I'll release some 377 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: follicle stimulating hormone. The whole thing begins again. The pill 378 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: interrupts this by making the body think it's already released 379 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: an egg. Like when the egg comes off of the 380 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: follicle and makes its way down in the fallopian tube, 381 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: the ovum makes its way down the fallopian tube. Um, 382 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 1: that's when the estrogen and the progesterone levels are high. Okay, 383 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: So the pill introduces progesterone and estrogen levels and keeps 384 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: them high at all times, and therefore the body stops 385 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: releasing eggs because it thinks it's already released in egg. Yeah, 386 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: just hijacks that whole process. Synthetically, the woman's body is 387 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: amazing when you think about all that's going on. Yeah, 388 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: our body is not doing anything even remotely like that. 389 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: It's making like farts. That's what I thought when I 390 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: was researching this. I was like, man, I've never felt 391 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: less important, and like the insides of my body are 392 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: just I got some lungs doing some things. I got 393 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: a heart, And then like, I guess I'm still making sperm. 394 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I've got like a weezy old 395 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: donkey running the show in there kind of dirty. Oh goodness. 396 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: Uh So, the endometrium still builds up in the uterus 397 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: and is released, but it's known as a withdrawal period. 398 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: So this is if you're on the pill. But that's 399 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: why your period while on the pill is going to 400 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: be generally lighter and shorter. Yeah, and so um, technically 401 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: this the pill mimics the structure called the corpus luteum, 402 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: which is the thing that releases progesterone and estrogen once 403 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: an egg is released. So the body's like, oh, the 404 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: corpus luteam's got it going on. I don't need to 405 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: release another egg. I Also, I am not going to 406 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: have a period because during this time after the pill um, 407 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: those hormone levels start to become like a normal baseline 408 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: in the woman's body. There's no endometrium that builds up, 409 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: and therefore there's no endometrium to shed right, And I 410 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: don't think we mentioned this yet. Progestin, which is the 411 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: synthetic progesterone, it's gonna make that vaginal mucus thicker, so 412 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: you're right earlier. It is thinner to make the sperm, 413 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: make it excess the eggs easier. It will thicken it 414 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: up that mucus to make it harder by the sperm. 415 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: So it's and I think it's just sort of like 416 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: a one two punch to make it even harder to 417 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: get pregnant, although you can still get pregnant, usually due 418 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: to misuse of the pill, because what you do is 419 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: you take the pill at the same time every day. 420 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: It's all very uh synchronous and depends on that timing, 421 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: and if you don't time it out right, um, your 422 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: chances are getting pregnant or a little bit more. But 423 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: apparently if you're taking it exactly right at the same time, 424 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: then your failure rate is going to be point three percent. 425 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: So it's still technically possible. Yes, it is point three 426 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: percent possible, which offers up the question like why, Like 427 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: when they were developing the pill, they had it completely 428 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: in their control as to what they wanted to do 429 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: with the Minstreul cycle, and they decided and I never 430 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: knew this, it's very interesting. They decided to keep it 431 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: on that twenty eight day cycle because for a lot 432 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: of reasons, they thought, um, Dot the Rock thought the 433 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, because he was a Catholic, they might be 434 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: more willing to approve it if it seemed more natural. 435 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: I guess right here. They thought way off. He thought 436 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: that women would be more apt to take it if 437 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: it didn't seem like it was disrupting things too much, 438 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: Like it still in my regular cycle, right, because you 439 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: do have that withdrawal period. Um, it's not an actual 440 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: real period, but it does come at that at the 441 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: end of that the pill cycle. Yeah, but they could 442 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: have gotten rid of the period altogether. Right in a 443 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: lot of people are like, well, go do that. And 444 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: there are pills on the market that we'll talk about 445 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: that do take away women's periods. There's others that put 446 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: them at different like spaces of them out like like 447 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: four times a year or something like that. And people 448 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: started looking into this and they're like, well, wait a minute, 449 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: like should shouldn't women be having periods? And the answer 450 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: is not necessarily right, Yeah, I mean it's controversial, like 451 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: if you're not if you're not ovulating, you technically don't 452 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: have to have a period. And this Molly Edmonds wrote 453 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: this really interesting pill article. Um, like is a period necessary? 454 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: I think is what it's called. And um, women today 455 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: have many more periods than our ancestors, right, something on 456 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: the order of like four hundred and fifty periods over 457 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: the average woman's lifetime, about three times as many as 458 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: our ancestors. Yeah, so like back in like hunter gatherer 459 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: pre pre pre agricultural women had about a hundred and 460 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: sixty or something, right, and that was because they had 461 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: more kids, they breast fed longer, they didn't live as 462 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: long yet, And so some people make the point like, well, 463 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: women are having more more periods than ever before, and 464 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: the body wasn't meant for this. It's actually kind of 465 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: rough on the body to have a period. Like when 466 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: the the ovum pops off of the fallopian tube, it 467 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,239 Speaker 1: leaves a scar on the ovary and that scar has 468 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: to be repaired. And to repair the cells in the 469 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: ovary have to divide, and as long as they divide 470 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: correctly that that damage will be repaired. If they divide incorrectly, 471 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: that damage can turn into ovary and cancer. So that's 472 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: that's a that's a problem with it. Um there's also 473 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: scarring with um endo, the shedding of the endometrium, like 474 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: actually having your period itself can leave scarring. Same deal, right, Yeah, 475 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: And I think does an iron deficiency come into play? 476 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: So that's actually a benefit of having a period. You 477 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: you get rid of excess iron, which can lead to 478 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: cardiovascular disease. Well, and there are a couple of weeks 479 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: during the mental minstrel cycle where women have a lot 480 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: a significant reduction in blood pressure. So during the years 481 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, their reproductive years, at least they are at uh, 482 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: I guess a slightly lower risk of stroke and heart attack, 483 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: think like ten percent lower. Yeah, well it's not bad, No, 484 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: not at all. So, um, there's pros and there's cons 485 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: to having a period. The thing is, and this is 486 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: what Molly ultimately points out, is we actually don't know 487 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: if a period is necessary. Like the pill is still 488 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: relatively new, and um, I think that she quoted a 489 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: doctor in their doctor Susan Rothko, I think or roco um, 490 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: and she called the the pill that does away with 491 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: periods entirely the greatest unregulated medical experiment of all time. 492 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: And um, she she makes a chilling point like we 493 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 1: don't really know what the side effects yet because all 494 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: of this is too new, especially the pill that that 495 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 1: does away with the period altogether. Well, yeah, and they 496 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: haven't done there are no long term studies of minstrual 497 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: suppression from oral contraceptives. At least they don't know about 498 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: what that means for a woman. They don't know because 499 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: most of this testing is done for women over eighteen, 500 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: so they don't know what it means for women under 501 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: eighteen UM at all because they're just not involved in 502 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: the research, even though they do have research that shows 503 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: about two thirds of women would get rid of their 504 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: period if they could do so safely. Because I mean, 505 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: we have any mentioned PMS or PPMD, which is just 506 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: isn't that like a really really severe yeah form of 507 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: p MS? Yes, it's like much worse. Yeah yeah, But 508 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: whereas like p MS is is not a picnic to 509 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: begin with, this is this is like go the hospital bad, right, 510 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: can be at least? So, yeah, that's really interesting to 511 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: think about it. Also, UM treats a very insists there's 512 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: other uses for UM for birth control pills too. Yeah. 513 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: Do you want to take another break and get back 514 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: to it? Okay, okay, Chuck, where are we we were 515 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: talking about? I'm over here hanging but on this cliff 516 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: by my fingernails. I think you're doing great? Aren't you 517 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: doing great? Everybody? Yes? So remember so there are side 518 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: effects both positive and negative to taking the pill UM. 519 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: There's some very common negative side effects like UM Nausea 520 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: is a big one. UM weight gain spotting, which is 521 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: called breakthrough menstruation, which is where you have bleeding during 522 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: the actual pill cycle, not the prescribed um period cycle 523 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: of the pill. Yeah. I don't think we mentioned yet 524 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,719 Speaker 1: either that in the pill uh prescription, in that monthly 525 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: dose there are seven not always, but the way they 526 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: designed it was their seven placebo pills that are in 527 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: there because you only take the pill for twenty one 528 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: days a month, but they put those extra seven pills 529 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: in there to keep women on that. I guess the 530 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: thinking was, if they're used to taking this pill every day, 531 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: they need to keep doing it. Yeah, if they don't 532 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: for seven days, they might forget on the eighth day, 533 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: and that's bad news. Yeah, So that's that's the most 534 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: common way to do it. And those that's a very 535 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: easy type of um of pill to take, right because 536 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: all of them are the same level of hormone and 537 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: the um the seven inert ones are usually a different 538 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: color and they come at the end of the month. 539 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: It's supposed to be easy. There's actually a recall right 540 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: now of Ta Tula. Did you see that Ta Tula 541 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: has made it by Alurgan I think, and they recalled 542 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: a lot of their pills because they put the inert 543 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: ones at the beginning of the cycle accidentally just bad packaging, yes, 544 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And if you look, you can clearly 545 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: see that the first like seven or different color, but 546 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: where they're supposed to be at the end, there at 547 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: the beginning, and that is bad news if you're taking 548 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: that pill. So if you have ta tula, go check 549 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: it right now and uh go get some more. Yeah, 550 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: but um I think it interrupted you on the side 551 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: effects nausea, headaches, breastworness, acne, depression, moodiness, weight gain, decrease, libido, 552 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: and sometimes these can be um like if if you 553 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: start out on the pill, it can be worse. A 554 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: few cycles in it might get better, and if it doesn't, 555 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: you can There are different pills out there, there are 556 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: there's UM so the the when those pills originally came out, 557 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: that first four formula um I think it was called 558 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: like a novid. That was the first one by Cyril 559 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: um cereal and they had ten milligrams of um progesterone 560 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: or progestin and point one five milligrams of estrogen and 561 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: that is like a nuclear bomb pill. Women had the 562 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: worst side effects from it, like all these side effects, 563 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: like each of them mac truck and they were still 564 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: willing to go through it to to like have control 565 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: of their body as far as pregnancy went. UM, but 566 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: they very quickly figured out through further research, you can 567 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: do the same. And the reason they selected that is 568 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: like they knew that there was not going to be 569 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: any ovulation with ten milligrams of progesterone and UM, so 570 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: they figured out that you could formulate with a much 571 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: lower amount of both progestin and estrogen and still get 572 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: the job done. And they still do that today. I 573 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: think the estrogen gets down into the micrograms and you 574 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: can get like um two point five milligrams or progesterone 575 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: in in some forms of the pill. Yeah. And then 576 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: if so, if the pill is mistreating you, what you're 577 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: saying is there are options, right, Well, yeah, there are 578 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: three main types of oral let's say types I think 579 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: I did. You also said, Cyril. There are three main 580 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: types of the oral contraceptive pills now combination pills, progestin only, 581 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: and extended release, which are the newest ones out there. 582 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: The combination pill is the most common pill that you 583 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: will get UM. The mini pill is the progestin only 584 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: and for some women that's better like if you're breastfeeding 585 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: and you can't have the estrogen, like this is gonna 586 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: affect your milk, you'll probably be on the mini pill uh, 587 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: and the mini pill peel. It works in a couple 588 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: of different ways. It makes the endometrium too thin to 589 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: accept that egg, uh, and it won't allow it to attach. 590 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: And again with the vaginal mucus, that makes it too 591 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: thick to allow the sperm to reach the egg. But 592 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: it is a little less um effective, but still effective, 593 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: but a little less than the combination pill because it's 594 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: almost like a different different they're different mechanisms. Yeah, Like 595 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: it's twenty eight active pills for the mini pill, right, 596 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: but rather than tricking the body into thinking it's released 597 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: an egg, this is just making it hard to get pregnant. Yes, right, exactly. 598 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: It's almost like a different kind of pill. And then 599 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: there's um, what's the other kind. Well, the combination pill 600 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: the most common. There's a few subtypes of that pill 601 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: as well. Right, So there's monophasic, which is what I 602 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: was talking about, where you've got twenty one pills and 603 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: all of them are the same dose of progestion, progestin 604 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: and um estrogen and then you've got the seven inert pills, 605 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: and some women say I'm not gonna have a period 606 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: this this month, and then you just rather than taking 607 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: those seven inert pills, you just move on to the 608 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: next month's twenty one pills. Yes, and believe with the monophasic, 609 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: if you miss a day, you can double up the 610 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: next day because it's the same amount of pills or 611 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: the same level of hormones. Right, So, yeah, that's and 612 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: that's far away the most common. There's bi phasic, which 613 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: has two different levels of hormones, and then tryphasic has 614 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: three different levels. And the point of of biphasic and 615 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: tryphasic is it's they're designed to give you the absolute 616 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: minimum amount of synthetic hormones that your body requires to 617 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: keep from ovulating. Because the point is is the lower 618 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: the amount of hormones you have in there, probably the 619 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: better off you are. Whether it's cancer risk, moodiness, who knows, 620 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: you're um, you're you're just better off with the least 621 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: amount that does the trick. Yeah, and the kind of 622 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: progestin and each of these is gonna vary, but the 623 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: type of synthetic estrogen is the same, right, it's called 624 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: ethnel estradi all deerk estrada estradiol. That's it ethanol estradiol. Yeah. 625 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: But the progestin is the thing that that differs sometimes, 626 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: right and depending if like you're on a pill that 627 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: uses going type of progestine, you can say, oh, I 628 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: want to try a different type of progestin and they'll 629 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: say here you go. Uh. And then the extended cycle, 630 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: which we talked about, this is the newest, the newest 631 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: one on the market, and I believe isn't this the 632 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 1: one that is can reduce your period to like a 633 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: few for four times a year. Yeah. So there's, um, 634 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: there's a couple of different there's seasonal and seasonique and 635 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: they're called that because that four time of year period 636 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: it'll just be like, oh it's fall up, it's summer. Uh, 637 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,959 Speaker 1: not in that order, but you know what I'm saying. 638 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,439 Speaker 1: And then there's libral and I'm sure there's other ones 639 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: on the market too. We don't mean to buzz market 640 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: or anything like that. So there's there's um, there's one 641 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: that's like three sixty five days, and then there's others 642 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: that are eighty four days, so that you have or 643 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: either no periods at all or four periods a year. 644 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: So there you go. So there's a couple of other 645 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 1: things I want to hit on, um, the pills. It's 646 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: so much larger than just birth control. I mean, just 647 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: the fact that his birth control is an enormous thing. Like, 648 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: like you said, John Rock thought he was going to 649 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: be able to convince the Catholic Church that that this 650 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: is an okay thing. That was not the case. Um. 651 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: In the late sixties, the Black power movement really zeroed 652 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: in on the pill, especially the men of the Black 653 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: Power movement, and said like this is this is tantamount 654 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: to black genocide. And there they definitely had like a case, 655 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,959 Speaker 1: like there were plenty of cases of um of black 656 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 1: women who went into hospitals and gave birth and then 657 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: came out unknowingly sterilized, like the doctor had just taken 658 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: it upon himself to sterilize er after delivering her baby. UM. 659 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: So they're like they had this, they had this evidence 660 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: to back this up, and it was never shown like, yes, 661 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: there was a conspiracy to um to wipe out Black 662 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: power in America through the pill. But you like, there 663 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,879 Speaker 1: were plenty of black women at the time who said 664 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 1: like yeah, I can get birth control pills easier than anything, 665 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: um that you know down the like corner clinic or 666 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: something like that. And even even with the early trials 667 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: from John Rock and Gregory Pinkus, Like, one of the 668 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: things that they zeroed in on Puerto Rico for was 669 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: because they thought that if they could show that backwards 670 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: Puerto Ricans of color could could learn how to take 671 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: the pill regularly, it would demonstrate that women in the 672 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: inner cities could or women in developing countries could. So 673 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: there was definitely like a mentality toward the white establishment 674 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: being on board with the idea of at least providing 675 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 1: the tools for other for minorities to to control their 676 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: rate of birth. That was just pure and simple. That 677 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: was a thought of it. It was, and it's had 678 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of benefits too, but there were some there 679 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,319 Speaker 1: was some darkness in the place that it originally came 680 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: from as well. Well. Yeah, and of course, um, anti 681 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: abortion groups. I think that the pill still to this 682 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: day is an abortion causing agent what they call in 683 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 1: do you know how to pronounce that a borda fashion 684 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: aborda fashion? I think so, yeah, I think that's right, Um, 685 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: which you know that's that's long been their argument. Well, 686 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: they their argument is that it makes the uh, the 687 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: uterus hostile to a fertilized egg, like prolonged use would 688 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: prevent a fertilized egg that would otherwise attach from attaching. 689 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: And so that's for all intensive purposes abortion in their position, right, 690 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, that is I don't think that one settled 691 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. So you got anything else, 692 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: I got nothing else. As I predicted, this is a 693 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 1: good one. I think it was good. I think it 694 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: was great. Yeah, because we're not like patronizing. We've never 695 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: been patronizing. That might be like white dudes, but we're 696 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: very much aware that we're white dudes. And let me 697 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: leave you with this, white dude, If you're a white dude, 698 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: whether it's in America or the West or anywhere, your 699 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: one job is to have some perspective. That's your first 700 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,720 Speaker 1: and foremost job. Take yourself out of your own shoes 701 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: once in a while, look around, put yourself in other 702 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: people's shoes. Your eyes will open widely and in agog 703 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 1: some say, walk a mile. Sure, why not get a 704 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,839 Speaker 1: little weight off? Right? At least go check the mail 705 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,800 Speaker 1: if you want to know more about the pill, just 706 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: type in the pill. Uh. It'll bring up some cool 707 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: stuff on how stuff works dot com. Uh. And there's 708 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: also a really great American Experience site on PBS that 709 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,800 Speaker 1: had a man that was good, so good. Um And 710 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: since I said American Experience and Chuck said so good, 711 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 1: it's time for listening man. Oh no, it's not uh 712 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: no listener mail today because we we've had some milestones 713 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: here lately, and as we sit here today in real time, 714 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 1: we are as a company are celebrating the tenure anniversary 715 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: of Stuff you Should Know again again, but we're actually 716 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: having the party today. And on the same day, um 717 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,439 Speaker 1: Apple announced at their um there w d c C. Yeah, 718 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: their developers conference, got up on stage and this one 719 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: kind of hit me like we had the thousand episodes 720 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,360 Speaker 1: that was good. The ten years kind of hit me 721 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: in a big way. But they got up on stage 722 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: today and they said that Stuff you Should Know is 723 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: now the first podcast in history, first and only to 724 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: reach five hundred million downloads and streams on their platform, 725 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: which is I didn't know. No, it hit me too. Somehow. 726 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: Adam Carolla is in Aguinness Book of World Records. But 727 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: here we are yeah, as the only one, and that's 728 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,280 Speaker 1: because of you all out there. Yes a gazillion times. 729 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: But without you, there is no us. We would have 730 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: been long gone if not for your support. So we 731 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: continue to give thanks. Thank you again. 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