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Speaker 1: Before saida Rivera and I sat down to talk, we

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Speaker 1: did something well, kind of unusual for an interview. She

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Speaker 1: asked to cleanse our recording studio.

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Speaker 2: Any energies that were in this room before this moment

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Speaker 2: be cleansed.

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Speaker 1: And that's because Zaida is a Bruha. She's a witch.

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Speaker 2: Today, I call on benevolent ancestors to enter this room

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Speaker 2: and join me.

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Speaker 1: Once the ancestors had been invited to join the space

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Speaker 1: and the room had been cleansed, I stepped in and

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Speaker 1: I also did something unusual. I took off my six

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Speaker 1: inch platform heels. Our interviews started with a limpia, a cleansing.

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Speaker 1: Let us begin. Zaida is performing an egg olympia.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna ask if you ever had one.

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Speaker 4: My mom did a linka awaivo like when I was

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Speaker 4: a little girl.

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Speaker 1: But There are, in fact, many different kinds of lempias,

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Speaker 1: because all of this has been around since before the

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Speaker 1: colonization of Latin America.

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Speaker 4: But I haven't had one in several decades. Okay.

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Speaker 1: At their core, lempys are indigenous health and spiritual practices,

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Speaker 1: and lemphys are good for a lot of things. You

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Speaker 1: can get a limpia to help you get over a

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Speaker 1: breakup or to remove bad energy around you. So I'm

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Speaker 1: lying on the floor and Zaida kneels over me. Now

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Speaker 1: she's rubbing her hands together and prepping the egg.

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Speaker 4: Are you okay with me? Suestion, you totally okay.

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Speaker 1: Zaida lets the egg guide her hand over my body,

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Speaker 1: and it's believed that the egg is absorbing negative energy

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Speaker 1: and leaves you with a sense of being cleansed of

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Speaker 1: whatever bad thing you had going on.

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Speaker 2: I asked the egg to pull out any energy that

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Speaker 2: no longer serves you.

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Speaker 1: The egg guides Zaida from my feet to the crowd

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Speaker 1: of my head.

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Speaker 2: Opening up this beautiful center for creation, removing any self doubt.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, as Zaida explains, a spot on your body will

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Speaker 1: call for more attention and the egg has to hover

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Speaker 2: Misag is removing and cleansing her aura ad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can take a tea, breath in whenever you

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Speaker 1: You can open your eyes combat.

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Speaker 4: The seating position.

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Speaker 1: I gently open my eyes and then I see Zayda's

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Speaker 1: floors so I can get back to standing.

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Speaker 2: I've never started an interview with them, so the first

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Speaker 2: time for everything.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I try to love it.

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Speaker 1: But we're not done yet. There is a final thing

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Speaker 4: I cracked the egg.

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Speaker 1: Now the raw egg splashes into a clear glass of water.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm just going to leave that egg in the

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Speaker 2: water for about ten minutes before we read that egg.

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Speaker 1: From Fudro Media. It's Latino USA. I'm Maria your Hoosa.

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to practice the ancient tradition of Bruhetia.

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Speaker 1: We're going to learn about the history and stop second

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Speaker 1: guessing ourselves. All of that with Za Rivera. For twenty years,

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Speaker 1: Zaida was an entertainment journalist.

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Speaker 3: This is your girl.

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Speaker 2: Saya Rives couldn't wait for John like Guizamo to take

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Speaker 1: But after two decades in the business, she felt a shift.

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Speaker 2: You're having this conversation with the universe that not everybody's

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Speaker 1: It was an inner voice, an inner knowing, you might

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Speaker 1: Her body was telling her that she was meant to

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Speaker 1: pursue brukhetiet and mysticism. But of course there were a

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Speaker 2: You've been an entertainment reporter for how many years? Now

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Speaker 1: It hurt, but I got it.

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Speaker 3: I understood how on the outside that might look that way.

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Speaker 2: And so I finally said, well, they don't see it,

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Speaker 3: Maybe they never will.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to deter me from continuing to open

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Speaker 1: And one day she was now saida la brucha.

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Speaker 2: In the words of my Taino ancestors, an ankatou anankatu

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Speaker 2: anhan catu, so be it.

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Speaker 1: And well, that gut feeling has worked out pretty well

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Speaker 1: for Saida. She says she feels more in line with

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Speaker 1: her purpose in life, and that resulted in her debuting

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Speaker 1: her young adult guide. It's called Being Bruja. The Spanish

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Speaker 1: translation of the book is bivi Bruga. It's a one

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Speaker 1: oh one guide for young Latinas to help them get

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Speaker 1: how to decipher the messages that come from beyond. So

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Speaker 1: let's get back to the studio, but this time in

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Speaker 1: front of the microphones and not on the floor doing

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Speaker 1: a limpia. Here's our conversation. What does it feel like

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Speaker 1: when you get those messages?

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Speaker 2: It's it's really just in all the years of work

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Speaker 2: in this it's trusting. It's not second guessing. I've gotten

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Speaker 2: enough confirmations to say, Sitha, stop second guessing. You're connected

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Speaker 2: and you're receiving these messages, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've had a lot of reading, spiritual etc.

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Speaker 1: But no one has actually said stop the second guessing

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Speaker 2: Which is why this book was so important. This is

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Speaker 2: the book that I wish I had when I was

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Speaker 2: in a very deep way spiritually, but didn't know what

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Speaker 3: But I had my grandmother, my maternal grandmother.

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Speaker 2: Who I respectfully say bruha. And I say respectfully because

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Speaker 2: I don't know if she would feel like that's a

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Speaker 2: respectful word. But she would do bruha things all over

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Speaker 2: her house and I would watch her do it.

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Speaker 3: At Florida water. She introduced that to me IgA de Florida.

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Speaker 1: What is flora the water?

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Speaker 2: So it's like a spiritual cologne, if you will, but

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Speaker 2: like it's more than the spiritual work is Like when

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Speaker 2: period cramps and she would be like, mihah, bring us

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Speaker 2: go take a nap. Every time it worked every time.

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Speaker 1: I love that. So yeah, so take me Saia too

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Speaker 1: when you were a little girl, because those were the

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Speaker 2: It was interesting because I was in and out of

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Speaker 2: different houses of worship with different family members.

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Speaker 3: So I went to Catholic.

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Speaker 2: everything with my Titi Julie, and Pentecostal with my dad.

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Speaker 2: But I just felt like the connection wasn't there. So

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Speaker 2: I talk about it in the book. Unfortunately, I came

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Speaker 2: from a house that had domestic violence, and so as

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Speaker 2: escape those moments, and without even knowing, I would just

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Speaker 2: sit in meditation.

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Speaker 1: I was just breathing, breathing through it.

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Speaker 2: But on multiple occasions I felt like someone was rocking me.

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Speaker 2: I remember one day distinctively opening my eyes to look

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Speaker 2: at my knee and see if I'm really rocking, my

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Speaker 2: knee won't be moving, and it was. And I knew

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Speaker 2: in that moment, Maria, that there was something beyond what

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Speaker 2: along our journey. And my journey has been amazing thus far.

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Speaker 2: So I know that spirit is looking over watching over me.

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Speaker 1: How often do you think that, in this case, young kids,

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Speaker 1: but very specifically young Latinas are experiencing or practicing spiritual

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Speaker 2: I think it happens a lot because I didn't even

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Speaker 2: that's been around for generations. So I feel like a

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Speaker 2: to this because it comes from our ancestors. This is

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Speaker 3: They were practicing this work.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about colonization and Catholicism. They're injuxtaposition to

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Speaker 1: our indigenous ancestral roots, right, But how do you put

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Speaker 2: I want these young people or anybody reading it to

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Speaker 2: realize that they're not alone in any confusion there.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, just like I mentioned, my grandmother devout Catholic, but

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Speaker 2: when she came home, she would have bowls of water

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Speaker 2: is how I make sense of it. That bringing Christianity

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Speaker 3: It's not a choice.

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Speaker 2: It's either this or you're going to suffer great consequences.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of it happened in shadows, behind the

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Speaker 3: And that's what I feel.

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Speaker 2: I could go to a house of worship and absolutely

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to miss what comes next, because

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Speaker 1: when we come back, Zaida will read the egg and

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Speaker 1: find out what it tells her after the limpia that

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Speaker 1: she did on me.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of fogginess, which is nice, but

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Speaker 2: there is some fog around the yolk, and you see

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Speaker 2: those three big bubbles right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, people talking crap gossip.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us, Yes, hey, we're back. And before the break,

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Speaker 1: zaidivera author of Being Brucha, was about to read the

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Speaker 1: egg in the glass cup. All right, let's get back

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Speaker 1: to the story.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to stand up to look at it.

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Speaker 4: So as we look at the cup, it looks pretty clear.

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Speaker 2: There's not a lot of fogginess, which is nice, but

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Speaker 2: there is some fog around the yolk, and you.

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Speaker 4: See those three big bubbles right there. Yeah, people talking

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Speaker 4: crap gossip. Dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So small bubbles usually mean the cleanse took place.

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Speaker 2: Everything's good. But the bubbles are big. It's like, ooh,

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Speaker 2: there's some haters in the mix, so keep doing what

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Speaker 2: you're doing. Mightey because we people are watching now. One

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Speaker 2: thing I see as a string right here is kind

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Speaker 4: That was a cord cutting of some sort.

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Speaker 2: You might have had an energetic connection to somebody that

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Speaker 2: you didn't want that anymore, and the egging.

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Speaker 4: Yet cleared that.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll see the strength still sort of attached, and

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Speaker 2: Grab yourself some crystals. You know, my oldest daughter, I

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Speaker 3: I go in her room. Now, she got crystals.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick pause, like, hey, we're back

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I brought some crystals, and I believe that

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Speaker 3: I always bring Florida water, and then I always always

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Speaker 2: She is the moon goddess and I love her little story.

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Speaker 3: So I do that and then my cards.

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Speaker 1: So what's going to happen now?

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Speaker 2: So you got nine of Wands for past. But nine

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Speaker 2: But this really resonates to me with your work present

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Speaker 2: So I do feel like this reading has a lot

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Speaker 2: And this means in every way, not just work, but family.

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Speaker 1: And when I came in I wasn't you know, I

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, saida thank you. That was saida Rivera.

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Speaker 1: Her new book, Being Bruja, is out now. This episode

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