1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic power. Since government conspiracies, history is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events, you can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: name is no Guerrilla Boy Brown. They called me Ben 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: you are you? And that makes this stuff they don't 7 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. That's a that's an interesting moniker 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: and it's uh, guerrilla boy has taken the office by storm. 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: That's what my girlfriend calls me. Yeah, it's just weird 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: that she does it in front of other people. But 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, if you're happy, you're happy. I think she 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: means it as a compliment. I think so. I think 13 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: because she says it with a note of admiration. It's 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: because I'm really mad good at sign language. I thought 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: it was a chest here too. So we're talking today 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: about something we've returned to often in the show, and 17 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: that is cryptids. Right, we're let's be honest books. We're 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: living in a world where there's ecological collapse. We do 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: it in the movie trailer Voice in a world on 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: the verge of ecological collapse. Three men four, counting their 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: super producer Tristan and one gorilla boy. Wait, now we 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 1: have five people. Okay, So we've talked about this before 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: and one of the big quests for the human species 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: has always been a quest of discovery, Right, what can 25 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: we find at the edges of the map? The thing 26 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: most people want to find, the real fun stuff would be, 27 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: of course acrypted. But what is a cryptid? Yeah, that's 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: a fun term. But what does it mean? Right? Well, 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: it's an umbrella term that describes a whole host of 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: different types of creatures that are all rumored to exist. 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: This is very important. It's rumored. There's no scientific proof 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: of the existence of these creatures, but the fascination it 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: still remains. Right, and the study of cryptods is known 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: as cryptozoology. Gosh, that's fun to say. And uh, we 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: have an much older exploration of this. One of the 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: first episodes we ever did was an update or not 37 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: an update, I guess it was an exploration of our 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: videos on cryptozoology. Ben, Yeah, Cryptozoology show notes, just for 39 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: a quick recap to give everybody the lay of the land. 40 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Oh and Matt, you have your Mothman shirt on today? 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: I just noticed that I did on purpose. You got 42 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: gorilla boy mothman. Tristan will get to you. I didn't 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: mean that to sounds so menacing. We'll find a nickname. 44 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: But your next buddy, your next uh. We gotta let 45 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: the bad d out of the bag here. Cryptozoology is 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: at the very least a controversial field. The vast majority 47 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: of scientists and any other related subjects zoologists, biology, just 48 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: a cologists and so on. I think that cryptozoology is 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: essentially a pseudo science. Yeah. A lot of times these 50 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: scientists with a capital as believe that the cryptozoologists suffer 51 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: from confirmation bias, from believing so wholeheartedly that these things exist. 52 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: They will take evidence that they find and kind of 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: make it tell the story that they wish it to be, 54 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: sort of cherry pick like, Like if I, like a 55 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: zoologists would say, there are rumors of gorilla boy out 56 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: in the wild, let's see if it's true, and their 57 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: critique is that their criticism rather is that a cryptozoologist 58 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: instead would say, I know, gorilla boy is real. I 59 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: will find the evidence that supports this. Yeah, it's that 60 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: whole getting caught up in the thrill of the hunt thing. Then, 61 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and of course, throughout the centuries, various experts have investigated 62 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: claims of previously unidentified animals, and every year the search 63 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: for new organisms continues. But but what sort of animals 64 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: would be considered cryptids? I mean, you can describe almost 65 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: anything you know as a crypto that fits in the 66 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: following categories. So we've got um subjects of eyewitness accounts, 67 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: historically located creatures from specific region or regions, and most importantly, 68 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: they are have they have to be you know, this 69 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: is kind of the kicker. They have to not be 70 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: acknowledged by the scientific community. Yes, there's imagin Yeah, so 71 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: they So we would have, you know, we would have 72 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,119 Speaker 1: like old man Frederick saying, I've lived in these woods 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: for now in fifty years and every moon and it's 74 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: not the skunk cape comes out of the swamps. It 75 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: does come out down swamps. I'll tell you what. When 76 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm on that porch sitting out there, you'll hear to 77 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: whisper to win you hear them, hear them grasshopper. Well, 78 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: it is it getting weird this accident right here with me, 79 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: with me outright as I want to take a moment 80 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: to day. This is one of those things, the things 81 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: that I just said about them being imaginary, where some 82 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: folks ding us or me or whatever for like not 83 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: believing fully in the things that we describe. That's not 84 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: the point. This stuff is fascinating to think about, and 85 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: there are obviously more compelling examples than others. I just 86 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: want to throw that out there. I don't think that 87 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: that's fine and large cryptids are imaginary, but I just 88 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: think it's funny that one of the categories that they 89 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: need to fit in is that they are not scientifically 90 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: acknowledged to exist, right, And it's a weird thing because 91 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: once they are acknowledged, then they become no longer a cryptod. 92 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: So this this weird umbrella term applies more to the 93 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: position of a proposed organism, right, because once it's a genuine, 94 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: scientifically acknowledge organism, then it's just it's not mysterious anymore. 95 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: Goes in the Books of Creatures, It's just a stink bird. 96 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: It's gun cape. Scuncape is a crypted isn't it a 97 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: great name? So the the outlines that Noll provided the 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: categories there perfectly incorporate all the famous cryptids, you know, 99 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: like the big blockbuster cryptids, Bigfoot, Locknest, Monster, Godzilla, Godzilla, yeah, 100 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if that fits in, but maybe maybe Well, 101 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: Godzilla came from the ocean, right, and a creature of 102 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: that size could easily could easily disappearance to the ocean. 103 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: And I want to say too real quick, not to 104 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: get too derailed, but some of the most bizarre and 105 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: fascinating creatures that border on seeming as close to like 106 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials we're ever going to get come from the deep 107 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: deep I wish. I don't have you ever seen that 108 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: Planet Earth episode about the deep dark Ocean. It's insane. 109 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: They live, They've got like weird like little lamps hanging 110 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: on their foreheads, so they look like something out of 111 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: a nightmare. And they're very otherworldly because they exist under 112 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: such extreme pressures and they have that adaptation that allows 113 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: them to flourish more or less in this bizarre and 114 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: lightless environment. When we're going to get to that a 115 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: little later. I believe yes because this I'm glad that 116 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: we said this, because this definition also incorporates, along with 117 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: the really strange things like gigantic snakes, dragons, were like 118 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: dinosaur populations, and other allegations, the definition of cryptod also 119 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: incorporates animals that you might not think of, like relic 120 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: populations of animals that were formerly thought to be extinct, 121 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: such as the sea camp Right, everybody thought, well, everybody 122 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: in here we go with the scientific racism as well. 123 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Everybody in Western Europe I thought that the sea cant 124 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: was extinct despite the vast amounts of native populations going 125 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that fish has always been here and it 126 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: sucks to eat. But then you know these scientists finger 127 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: quote air quote discovered it and now it's not a crypto. 128 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: This could also be animals that look very similar to 129 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: known creatures yet are different enough to qualify as their 130 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: own species. That's happening a lot with DNA testing now. 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: But let's face it, let's wake up, smell the folders, 132 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: face the facts. The holy Grail of possible cryptics has 133 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: never been a small new species of bottle nose blue 134 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: fly or the cousin of the finch with a separate 135 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: color palette. Oh no, the more things change, the more 136 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: they stay the same. And that means what people want 137 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: to find. Our big creatures, the godzillas, the godzilla's, the 138 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: king congs, right, the Catholics. You know, Cathula is kind 139 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: of a proto Godzilla in a lot of ways. I mean, 140 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: he came from beneath the ocean's deep and rose up 141 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: to crush us. All yeah, but no, nobody wants to 142 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: find that, right, Please tell me nobody wants to find 143 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: the one who won't be named? Obviously, I'm a huge 144 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: fan of Lovecraft, uh, in the at least the mythology, 145 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: but none of nothing about his real life. He was 146 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible person. But okay, but just to get 147 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: back on here, Yeah, the idea of this creature is 148 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: that it causes other utter madness, right, that's the idea. 149 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: Just even thinking about it causes madness. So why would 150 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: you want to find one or it or he whatever? Today? 151 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: Do you push the boundaries? All right, it's be more hardcore. 152 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: What is life if not to be lived? All right? Right? 153 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: Did our fortune cookie arguments persuade you? I'm persuaded. You're 154 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: right though. People want big animals. People want to find crackings, 155 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 1: abominable snowfolk, thunderbirds, dragons, dinosaurs if you say snowfolk like that. Yeah, 156 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: and so it's you know, okay, it's not just a 157 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: bunch of snow dudes out there in the Himalayas. One 158 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: would hope, but that's a big question. Are there really 159 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: any large animals out there? And if so, how can 160 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 1: we find them? But we find them through an impulse 161 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: that has been with our species as long as we've 162 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: been around, as this search for other life, whether it's 163 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: on our planet or elsewhere. So the current age of 164 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: man and the anthroposyn puts our species in a uniquely 165 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: fortuitous and particularly perilous time um in our search for 166 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: undiscovered species. So, due to the spreading of our species 167 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: across areas, vast areas of the world previously forbidden to us, 168 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: we've got the technology and the wherewithal to go to 169 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: places we would not have normally been able to go 170 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: in our formative times. Yeah. So as a result of 171 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: that propagation, we're also kind of collapsing ecosystems. No, yeah, 172 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: totally doing that thing at a alarming and dare we say, 173 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: catastrophic rate, which means that we are totally racing ourselves 174 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: to discover animals that may already be by the time 175 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: we get to them. Yeah. So what I think that's 176 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: a very very good point. So we're more capable of 177 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: going to the hinterlands of Antarctica, right to the bottom 178 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: of the sea floor or yeah, that's perfect too deep, 179 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: too deep caves, you know, and and to space to 180 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: all these places we can ordinarily never go, so we're 181 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: more likely to find stuff that's there if we get 182 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: to it before our pollution does. Essentially, we're also very 183 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: much in the dark about just how many species remain 184 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: out there in the wild. This blows my mind. We 185 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what we will discover in the insect realm. 186 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: There are hundreds of thousands of unidentified species, and the 187 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: brutal math of the equation ensures that many of them 188 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: will vanish before anyone finds and identifies them, including like 189 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: native populations. So not just you know, Ivory Tower scientists, 190 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: but tribes that are largely uncontacted may not even be 191 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: able to identify all of the varieties of moth in 192 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: their region. That's weird to think about. In the Census 193 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: of Marine Life estimated that Earth is home to about 194 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: eight point seven million species, and give or take one 195 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: point three million. You know, you gotta when you make 196 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: a big number like that and you're estimating the number 197 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: of species, especially how many could or could not exist, 198 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: you got to give it a bit of an error 199 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: margin mayor a little wiggle room. But but this number 200 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: ultimately breaks down to six point five million different species 201 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: on land and two point two million different species in 202 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: the ocean. And if we count microbes, my goodness, that 203 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: number skyrockets. So let's jump to when researchers at Indiana 204 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: University estimated that there might be between one hundred billion 205 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: and one trillion species of microbes out there just kicking 206 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: in with us, just hanging out on our skin, just 207 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: on that leaf over there. And it's it's like if 208 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: you ever get a chance to see those that microscopic 209 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: photography of gut bacteria or of like these various micros, 210 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: and I mean, it's like fractals inside fractals. It's like 211 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: these worlds within worlds that we cannot possibly even contemplate. 212 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: Like that's insane to me. And then you think about 213 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: our position in you know, the universe and the planet, 214 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: and then as it relates to that, it's just like 215 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: more than more than the mind can even read. If 216 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: you have not read the Filth, read the graphic novel 217 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: the Filth today it also brings to mind supersymmetry. You know, 218 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: when you consider that are each of our bodies are 219 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: comprised more of other life forms than human cells were outnumbered. 220 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: I think that there are five bacterial cells for every 221 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: human cell your body, But the size ratio is very different. Right, 222 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: But but you're it's absolutely right with the numbers. Human 223 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: cells are are much larger. And it's strange, you know, 224 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: we're all agglomerations of things, were all much more like 225 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: cities in our way than we are individuals. But we 226 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: also shouldn't forget that there is still a ton of 227 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: Earth left to explore. I mean, technological advancements have been 228 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: just huge in this respect. Satellites led, our drones all 229 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: given us this glimpse into hitherto unexplored regions remote you know, 230 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: um inhospitable that we never would have been able to 231 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: lay eyes on, let alone take readings from and learn 232 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: about the makeup of the you know, materials and the 233 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: climates in the various conditions of these places. Yes, but again, 234 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: what about the big stuff? Could a large animal let's 235 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: say the size of a labrador, about a labordoodle? Um, 236 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I can do labordoodle a labordoodle or 237 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: up or maybe maybe even you know what, let's raise 238 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: the stakes something the size of a horse. Could it 239 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: remain under scovered for the entire span of human civilization. 240 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: That's a tough one, and I think we're gonna have 241 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: to look at that after a quick word from our sponsor, 242 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: you rascal, here's where it gets crazy. So what's the answer. 243 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: It's possible, it really is. Yeah, no, uh well, we're 244 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: a family show, so no, no, tuckus, no doubt. I 245 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: used to have a boss who said, I want you 246 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: to give me the straight poop, give me the dish, 247 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, give me the stuff, the truth, give me 248 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: the straight whoop. Was it a cool boss? Now? But 249 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: straight poops are pretty cool frame. I think it's like 250 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: a northern thing. He was from, like Pennsylvania. Well, right in, 251 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: and let us know if you're from a farther the 252 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: world where people say straight poop, but it really is, 253 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: We'll give you the straight poop here. It really is 254 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: possible that entire group of large animals has escaped the 255 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: notice of humanity at large. Just a side note, I 256 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna stick with Tuckis. So every time I 257 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: was gonna say a tuckis, but is that what that means? Okay, 258 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know what I've committed to it. I'm 259 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna ride this pony into the sunset. 260 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: Rite the scripted into the sunset. There are big obstacles 261 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: to this concept, even though it is possible. Um, we 262 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: have to consider something that we've looked at in the 263 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: past when we specifically examined, uh say, bigfoot or large 264 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: the rumors of dinosaurs and African forest. The thing is, 265 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: a large animal needs a lot of energy and it 266 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: would probably have a measurable impact on an observable ecosystem 267 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: that would be in proportion to or commensurate with its size. 268 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: So one great example of this is whenever a whale 269 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: dies and it sinks to the seabed and it becomes 270 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: this sort of funereal, rotting oasis for the creatures of 271 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the deep. Yeah, it's like that story that came out 272 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: not too long ago out of Indonesia where there was 273 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: this these photographs and video of what looks like a 274 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: lockness monster type thing or some kind of crazy you know, 275 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: see elephant or something, and it turns out it's just 276 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: the carcass, the gelatinous, molten carcass of a baling whale, 277 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: I believe, But it starts to contort and stretch and 278 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: do all this bizarre stuff. And yeah, whale skulls look 279 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: rather odd when all the stuff's peeled back from it, right. 280 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a very it's a very polite way 281 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: to say it. I will I will say that they 282 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: look fascinating and terrifying in a way. Imagine looks like tusks. 283 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: Imagine living thousands of years ago and then discovering these 284 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: bones that would wash up on shore. It's interesting though. 285 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: In an article and Live Science relating to the sighting, 286 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: I was just talking about a whale biologist by the 287 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: name of Alexander Worth. There's an interesting quote here that 288 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: I think pertains to our discussion. He says, quote, they're 289 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: there's lots of stuff in the ocean that we don't 290 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: know about, but there's nothing that big that remains unknown. 291 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: That's yeah. And that's the thing because that's a controversial um. 292 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: That's still a point of contention, obviously in one man's opinion. 293 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,239 Speaker 1: But it is an expert. He's not like just some 294 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: guy who's hanging out selling couzies and speedoes. He's not 295 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: a wil hobbyist. He's not wil enthusiasts. Yeah, it's it's 296 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: true though it's uh, it's true. On land that large 297 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: animals would have likely already been observed by humans, or 298 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: in areas where they would come into contact with humans, 299 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: they might have already been hunted to death, died due 300 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: to pollution, or become unable to compete for their normal 301 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: breeding territory, their food of choice, other resources. Uh, this happens. 302 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: Look at the wooly mammoth. Uh. They may also become 303 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: unable to accomplish annual migrations, and this is in effect 304 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: another death sentence, just a slower one. Yeah, just the 305 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: really fasket. Back to the amount of energy that encrypted 306 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: would require. So there are a couple of things that 307 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: just come come to my mind when we're thinking about this. 308 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: So if you're thinking about a singular animal, right, and 309 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: then you think about how much food that I am 310 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: over will require, you have to think is in an 311 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: herbivore an omnivore? Does it eat primarily meat? And then 312 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: think about how much energy, like we said, that would 313 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: require to eat. Then imagine this thing isn't alone. If 314 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: there is a big foot, there is a family of 315 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: bigfoots unless they're you know, they live forever, right, or 316 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: whatever animal it is, a horse sized creature, there's gonna 317 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: be a herd at least of them that has survived 318 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: over the century. It reminds me of that band name. 319 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: And you will know us by our trail of dead, 320 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: and us by the trail of the dead. Well, yeah, sure, 321 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: And maybe it's just grass that's getting eaten or some 322 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: plant that exists out in the middle of nowhere. But 323 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: you know there's gonna be a big whole of resources 324 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: where these things survive. Right. And despite all these problems, 325 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: all these very valid let's call them cons to the 326 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: argument for a large animal. Uh, we have one big 327 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: pro on the other side. That is that the world 328 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: is enormous. There are still a few places where it's 329 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: possible that humanity could discover something the size of a 330 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: labrador a labradoodle or larger. In fact, it's more possible 331 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: now than at any other point in human history. So 332 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: we can look at different regions of the world, uh 333 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: and see whether what would be the most or least 334 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: likely to harbor an undiscovered large life form. So our 335 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: first stop on this journey would be to the jungles 336 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: and the massive forests of the planet. Once these things 337 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: span entire continents, they just nothing but trees as far 338 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: as the eye could see. But now, because of manufacturing 339 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: and egg cultural techniques, these things have been drastically reduced, 340 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: both in in terms of their size um and the 341 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: bio diversity within their ecosystem. So a lot of the 342 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: animals have been dying off. We're inside a mass die 343 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: off right now of species, and we've been kind of 344 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: ramping up to that in the past few hundred years. 345 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: Paleontologists will tell you that we are we are officially 346 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: in the sixth great extinction in the history of this planet, 347 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: like dinosaur leveling stuff. You know. Um, maybe not as 348 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: sudden as impact events, right, but in many ways as 349 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: as lethal. And this is not like this is not 350 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: in any way involved with um political standpoints or ideologies. 351 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: This is this is just hard science. There are resources 352 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: that we use that we extract and one of those 353 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: is would and trees, and that's what we've been doing 354 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: for a long time, and humanity has been expanding. It's 355 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: just kind of the way we've been going. I'm sort 356 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: of torn on the point to where people say that 357 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: we should stop as a species from pursuing agriculture right, 358 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: because it keeps people alive. So at what point do 359 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: we stop letting people eat you know what I mean? 360 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: Or stop letting people reproduce, yeah, or stop letting people 361 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: choose what they want to eat? Right? Because if the 362 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: entire world went vegetarian, there's that argument that, uh, the 363 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: there would be less pollution and that there would also 364 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: be more food for people. There's vertical farms, man, we 365 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: gotta start getting those. Yeah. But I am a I 366 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: am just a walking garbage disposal. I haven't really met 367 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: food that I wouldn't he I've met something that I 368 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: didn't like. You have a whole show where you just 369 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: eat trash food. Anybody who's listening to this and doesn't 370 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: have access to the house Stuff Works Facebook page, I 371 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: just have to throw this out here right now. Ben 372 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: and uh somebody who's been on our show before, Lauren Vogelbaum. 373 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: They do a show called snack Stuff, And yesterday during 374 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: the live broadcast, Ben not only did he eat canned 375 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: rattlesnake and Lauren both they both did. Uh. They took 376 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: a shot of rattlesnake can juice at the end of 377 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: like a Gravy, disgusting the look on poor Ben's face. 378 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: It was really bad. So the rattle sneak itself doesn't 379 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: taste bad that the texture is really similar to like 380 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: pulled pork can. Yeah, can canned stuff weird to me. 381 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Potted meat can stuff in general? How me? Beans are 382 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: okayltic beans, but potted meat now, Yeah, it's always it's 383 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: always fascinating when you see that stuff in the grocery 384 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: store and it's not refrigerated and read the ingredients, you 385 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: check the expiration date and you're like, wow, this could 386 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: be sitting on the shelf for another four years. Yeah, 387 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: and and it'd be fine, right, it would be no 388 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: worse than it was. But but yes, I we do 389 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: have that show with our esteemed uh friend and colleague 390 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: and also co host of a new show called food Stuff, 391 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: Lauren vogelbaumb So do check that out when you get 392 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: a chance. All right, let's get back to the jungle. 393 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the jungle. Uh. There are problems with investigating 394 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: allegations of cryptids in the jungle. Let's take the world's 395 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: largest tropical rainforce at the time of this recording, it's 396 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: the Amazon and it's been the site of hundreds of 397 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: cryptid sightings or you know, eyewitness accounts. Here's what makes 398 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: it tough to hunt for cryptids in a place like 399 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: the Amazon. The jungle is hungry. It is. It aggressively 400 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: devot hours buildings, structures, roads without constant maintenance. Um, it's 401 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: very difficult to well, it's very difficult with constant maintenance 402 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: to keep man made structures around and viable, and without it, boom, 403 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: the jungle just swallows them up. Yeah. I can totally 404 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: identify with this because we just had ivy growing growing 405 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: in our backyard and every couple of weeks I'd have 406 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: to go back there and take care of it or 407 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: that thing would just get overrun with just some simple ivy. 408 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: From here in the Southeastern United States, very uh, certain 409 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: plants are very motivating, you know. Uh kud Zoo is 410 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: the legendary example here in the Southeast, but that still 411 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: has very little on the Amazonian jungle. Entire cities have 412 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: been lost in the Amazon and only recently found again 413 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: with the use of sophisticated laser based surveillance technology like LIE. 414 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: It are like no one mentioned earlier. So if you're 415 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: if you don't have the resources to go to an 416 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: isolated place and maintain a life long enough to maintain 417 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: a structure and a like a an operation long enough 418 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: to observe this stuff. Your chances of seeing anything are 419 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: pretty small, especially if you're looking for something specific. You 420 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: might be having a needle in a haystack moment. And 421 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: given the vast biodiversity, it's also possible that people who 422 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: believe they've seen a cryptid are misidentifying another known creature. 423 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: Here's a question, you guys on a movie Anaconda? Where 424 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: John that spoiler? Yep? Is it? Yep? Oh? What a snake? 425 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: A movie with the name Anaconda has a snake in it? Well, no, 426 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: the giant snake, but specifically the character. I didn't say 427 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: what it did after it? H John, Boy, that's the twist, 428 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: Now you do. We've been over the statue of limitation. 429 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: It's a grea. Come on. My question though, is like, 430 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: would an absurdly large version of a known species be 431 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: considered a cryptod? Yeah? I would. I would argue yes, 432 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: because it would be. It's it's an interesting question. So 433 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: is it an individual that's a very large antaconda or 434 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: is it a group of anacondas that are that are 435 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: growing and reptiles are weird too, because some reptiles will 436 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: just continue to grow, just spooky stuff. Yeah, but I 437 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: think you know, that's a good question. I would say, 438 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: I want to throw that to the listeners too. So ladies, gentlemen, 439 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: and cryptids, if you're in the audience, let us know 440 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: what you think is is outsized a very large version 441 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: of a known animal. Does that count as acrypted? I 442 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: would say, I'm tempted to say yes. And can the Internet? 443 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: Oh boy, thank you can? If it's encrypted? Are leaving 444 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: right now. So despite the difficulty in establishing your research 445 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: outpost and the ease of misidentification, new species are still 446 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: being found in the world's forest and Jungles and may 447 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: Ofen researchers found a brand new primate and angola. Think 448 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: about that, a brand new primate that is a large animal. 449 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: It's not huge, but it's at least, you know, it's 450 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: larger than a little bird. They're literally calling it the 451 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: pigmy galago, so well, that means they're calling it a pigmy. 452 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: It's not like some ironic little john things or something. 453 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: It's small. Yeah, it's only six point five inches long, 454 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: so it isn't a large animal, just a undiscovered one. Sure, 455 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: but you know one person six point five inches. When 456 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: you think about microbes and you think about insects, I'm 457 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm still saying it's big. Yeah, it's big, but it's 458 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: not labradoodle. But let's let's continue our search. Let's visit 459 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: some other biomas. What about mountains and deserts. Let's get 460 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: this one out of the way. Deserts are some of 461 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: the most brutal locations in the entire world on this planet. 462 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 1: If you're in a desert, there's not much worse places 463 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: you can be to live as an animal. You gotta 464 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: put up with a whole lot of stuff. You have 465 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: to adapt like crazy. Deserts aren't always hot. Like to 466 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: think about the empty quarter in Saudi Arabia or part 467 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: of the parts of the Saharta which most people think of. 468 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: You know, those are those are hot deserts. But Antarctica 469 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: has desert uh in it. Yes, if living was a 470 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: video game, deserts would be the stages that count as 471 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: hard mode. Oh for sure. So temperature is not the 472 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: primary defining trait of a desert. UH. Area with little 473 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: vegetation is a desert, and fewer species of animals exists 474 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: in deserts in comparison to other biomas. One famous cryptid 475 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: described in the desert to Mongolia is the Mongolian death worm, 476 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: which I had a phase. I was totally obsessed with 477 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: this thing. Man, it sounds like a sandworm type thing. 478 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: But like the guys from Tremors, it's like, yeah, it's 479 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: kind of like a smaller version of that. But they 480 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: think that. People say that it can spit acid or 481 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: is coated with some sort of acid. But but I 482 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's a very remote area, but it's it's 483 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: tough to think that there hasn't been one found, you know, 484 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: unless it's maybe its body is completely cartilagenous, so when 485 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: it dies, it doesn't leave anything, right, that's a possibility. 486 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just returns back to the sand, 487 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: to the sand from which it came. So cryptids are 488 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: A large cryptid is probably not located in the desert. 489 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: Mountains are different story. Some animals thrive in the heights, 490 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: and although we know they exist, it's tough to find them. 491 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: Like it's exceedingly rare for human beings. To get a 492 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: glimpse of the Himalayan snow leopard, which is a real thing. Yeah, yeah, 493 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: it exists, and they're lurking out there. But the times 494 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: that they come out, uh, you know, there aren't humans 495 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: around a lot of times. They're very wary of other animals, 496 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: and they were pretty well camouflaged, right, And isn't the 497 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: aren't they designed more or less to blend in with 498 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, heavy snows designed design intelligently. Yeah, yeah, this 499 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: is one of the places where there are heavily region 500 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: based reports of the abominable snowfolk. The yetie. Well, it's 501 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: so isolated right when you're when you're talking about the 502 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: Himalayan mountains, new types of bears and goats, and not 503 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: all mountains are created equally, you know, so you're absolutely 504 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: right about the Himalayas. We also would have to consider, 505 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: you know, more thor explored mountains in Western Europe probably 506 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: don't have any large unidentified animals because that area is 507 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: so heavily populated by humans comparatively speaking. But there's another 508 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: more exciting thing. We're talking about mountains, deserts. We have 509 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: a very special case caves. So I was thinking before 510 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: when we talked about how there's probably not a large 511 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: undiscovered animal in you know, the Sahara or a sand desert. 512 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: What I should have said was on the surface, because 513 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: caves are a very special case. They're often removed from 514 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: the planet's main source of energy, the sun. We're big 515 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: fans of Planet Earth. We I think we mentioned that 516 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: earlier the show, right um, in the episode on caves. 517 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: One thing that's very interesting the original Planet Earth is 518 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: they talked about how the entire ecosystem is supported by guano, 519 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: uh by you know, uh bat. I guess still stick 520 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: with straight bat poop, straight bat poop because they fly 521 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: out and uh eat creatures or eat things that grow 522 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: in accordance with sunlight and other other parts of the 523 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: food chain. And so now the subterranean system is one 524 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: step further away from the source of energy, and this 525 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: deficit of available energy would ordinarily mean no large creature 526 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: could exist, but there's another option to consider the Earth's 527 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: internal heat source, the energy that powers geysers and volcanoes. 528 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: There hasn't been a large living crypto discovered in cave systems, 529 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: at least not yet, but we do know for sure 530 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: the world beneath our feet teams with undiscovered, very strange life. 531 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: As we record this podcast, spelunkers and scholars alike are 532 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: still discovering extremely strange creatures thousands of feet beneath the ground. 533 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: And yeah, a lot of them are blind, like just 534 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: no eyes, atrophy, spooky spooky stuff. Well, it's a difficult 535 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: thing to get down very far into the earth. It's 536 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,920 Speaker 1: not easy to do, and it takes a lot of 537 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: equipment and specialized training to do that. So you can't 538 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: just have a mass search, you know, throughout the globe. 539 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: Everything cave cave in. That's a possibility of flooding of 540 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: good point dangerous. One of the most dangerous pursuits actually 541 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: is cave diving. And apparently there's still pockets of caverns 542 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: that are only accessible through a long underwater rout. And 543 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: then these these ecosystems within these caverns function kind of 544 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: like did you ever see do you guys ever see 545 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: those little glass balls that have like plants growing in 546 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: them and their own water system. It functions like that 547 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: in sort of a bubble in an envelope, and it's 548 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: completely possible that something lives there. But when we're speaking 549 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: of things that look very alien to us normal us 550 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: surface walkers, day walkers, we have one big area left 551 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: to explore. We'll get to it after a word from 552 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: our sponsor. So I alluded to this earlier in the 553 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: show is one of my favorite episodes of Planet Earth. 554 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: Of all of the ecosystems on this planet, the ocean 555 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: gives us the best odds for discovering a large cryptid 556 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: like a Godzilla. Um experts believe that we've explored going 557 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: on five per cent of the world seabed, and too 558 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: many experts and amateurs arelike this vast unknown stretch of 559 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: the world poses the greatest possibility discovering new large animals 560 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: to wit sea monster. Yeah, man, And we've been finding 561 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: some of these things over the years, and you know, 562 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: just in the recent past, we found the colossal squid. 563 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: We found a whale that had a beak. No, it 564 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: wasn't not it wasn't really a beak, but it was 565 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: the beaked whale. Yeah, And then there were we we know, 566 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: there are other things to discover. So you've probably if 567 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: you were a fan of this show, that means you 568 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: have probably, like us, gone down the rabbit hole before 569 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: where you look up mysterious carcasses washed ashore. Uh Noel 570 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: pointed out earlier that whales washed ashore pretty often, and Matt, 571 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this off air. A 572 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: lot of those carcasses look radically different from a living 573 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: whale and have often been misidentified as something else. But 574 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: even with that being said, there are genuine accounts of 575 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: experts not being able to identify the thing that washed 576 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: up and just saying, we don't know. Maybe it's some 577 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: kind of deep sea love crafty shark. Maybe it's a 578 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: Pacific rim style kaiju. I don't know, man, maybe got 579 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: dislodged when a ship sank, or something. Who knows. And 580 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: just like life and cave systems, there's one big objection 581 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: to the idea of a large creature living in the 582 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: deep that is energy. So we talked about some of 583 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: those really strange like deep sea angler fish and tiny 584 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: um tiny octopoid looking things. Uh. The truth of the 585 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: matter is that the abyssal plane, under that immense pressure 586 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 1: that Matt mentioned, animals are going to tend to be 587 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: smaller as a rule, and they're also further away from 588 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: that source of energy sunlight. But also similar to the 589 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: gave idea, we do know of one very bizarre feature 590 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: of the ocean floor geothermal events. So these geothermal events 591 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 1: emit intense heat from the earth and they act as 592 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,959 Speaker 1: a kind of underwater oasis um for extreme aphiles and 593 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: just possibly other larger forms of life. So this means, 594 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: to steal a line from Dumb and Dumber, we're saying, 595 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: there's a chance there is a chance that there's large 596 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: undiscovered life. Not a very good chance, not not really 597 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: good odds if you're gambling. But if something large and 598 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: undiscovered exists, it almost certainly would have to exist in 599 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: the ocean. Yeah, and it have to be able to 600 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: hide or at least conceal itself in some way to 601 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: evade all of the different tracking techniques that we have. 602 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: Where you can look at the bottom of the ocean floor, 603 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: anything that is existing there, the the fishing, the technology 604 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: that large fisheries use, you can you can see what's 605 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: on the bottom of the floor. And then there's this 606 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: is just a brainstorm thing. It's entirely speculation on my part, 607 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: but there is a possibility that other forms of life 608 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: would be discovered in the deep by militaries using submarines, 609 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: and then they would choose not to reveal it because 610 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: doing so would also reveal the technology they used to 611 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 1: find the thing, but you at a certain level that 612 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: they're at, you know, where they're able to or maybe 613 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: even where they're operating. Right, it's like, what is this? What? 614 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 1: What is this Russian sub doing in the Indian Ocean? Yeah, 615 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Uh, it's so and that's 616 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: purely speculation on my part. That might as well be 617 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:32,919 Speaker 1: the plot for a dime store novels. You should hop 618 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: on that, man, should? I should in general hop more often. Yeah. Yeah, 619 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: and then I think you're selling it a short a 620 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: dime store. No that is that is a potential best 621 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: selling Well, thank you so much. The collapse of oceanic ecosystems. 622 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: As we said, the key here is that this becomes 623 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: a time sensitive pursuit. Humanity's explorers are racing against humanity's pollution, 624 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: So if something big exists out there, it's also tragically 625 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: likely that it will be extinct before we actually see it. Jeez, 626 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: that's a that's a tough thought. He's we've all seen 627 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: images I'm assuming of is it the Pacific trash? Yeah 628 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: and all that. I mean, that's just it's hard to 629 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: know that that's happening. And in some way, I guess 630 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: we're all just contributing to that. It's a care time 631 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: will come. Yeah, it feels like it's getting here. What 632 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,600 Speaker 1: goes around comes around, I like. I like both of those, 633 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: like a trash more text feel splin see, I feel 634 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: like a rose about a thorn. So I'm trying to 635 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,439 Speaker 1: figure out why this would happen all of us. We 636 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: hope that you enjoyed this exploration and if you are 637 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: interested in crypto zoology, please do check out our earlier 638 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: videos and podcast. We have very special announced vote for 639 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: you at the end of the show, a little bit 640 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,839 Speaker 1: of a teaser if you will. But before that, enough 641 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: about us, what about you? Shot at Corners. Our first 642 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: shout out today comes from Jenna, who wrote to us 643 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: after watching etcht In's Secret Our Georgia Guidestone's documentary on Amazon. 644 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it yet, do it now. Jenna 645 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: had some very interesting ideas about the future of humanity, 646 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: but more importantly, she had a fantastic episode suggestion. So 647 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: Jenna says, a person I think would be interesting to 648 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: explore in a podcast is the UNI bomber ted Kazinski. 649 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: He convinced the FBI to publish his manifesto against the 650 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 1: system in the Washington Post. It is the single day 651 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: when the most newspapers were sold, so he would stop 652 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: the bombs being sent through the mail. He convinced the 653 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: FBI to publish his manifesto against the system in the 654 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: Washington Post. And that happened to be the day when 655 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: they sold the most newspapers to that point. And that's 656 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 1: what she says. I'm not I haven't. We haven't confirmed 657 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 1: that independently, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were 658 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,439 Speaker 1: very close to the case. And he did this so 659 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: that he would basically he held them hostage more or less, 660 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: that he would stop sending bombs in the mail if 661 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: they would agree to publish his manifesto. UM. It led 662 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: to his arrest and his court appointed attorneys wanted to 663 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: plead insanity, so Kazinski fired them and wanted to speak 664 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 1: for himself. UM. He did have several degrees though, and 665 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: we're in law. UM. Yet he was forced into a 666 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: plea deal because the FBI didn't want the public to 667 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: see how logical he was. Interesting perspective. UM. He now 668 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: has several books published. Of a side note, it was 669 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: three guns that killed jfk Okay All right, No, no 670 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 1: further there. Thanks for the great podcast, Thanks for the 671 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,400 Speaker 1: interesting perspectives. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a very interesting 672 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: point that I think would make a a good topic 673 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: for examination in an episode. Let us know if you 674 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 1: agree with Jenna and would like us to delve into 675 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,240 Speaker 1: the biography of the UNI bomber, along with his motivations 676 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: and legal proceedings, because he very much does believe there's 677 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Our next shout 678 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: out goes out to Dannara, who sent us a message 679 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: to quote chime in, Oh excuse me, chime in about 680 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: our serial Killers on the Loose, Part two episode, specifically 681 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: about the Oakland County child. Yeah, I remember this one, Okay, 682 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: So Dinara says, my memories are fuzzy, but I grew 683 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: up in Detroit. My dad had been a d A, 684 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,760 Speaker 1: a district attorney in Wayne County. That's Detroit City. Oakland 685 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: County is the next county to the north. I was 686 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: about eight years old when the killings took place. We 687 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,919 Speaker 1: never once called him the babysitter. The grown ups called him, 688 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,439 Speaker 1: quote the snow killer because they always found the kids 689 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: posed as snow angels. The night after a new snowfall. 690 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: US kids called him the snow Angel, mostly in whispers. 691 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,040 Speaker 1: My dad and his family were staunchly Catholic. Grandfather did 692 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: pr public relations work for the diocese for free. Dad 693 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: did legal work for the diocese, also for free. This 694 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,239 Speaker 1: matters because Dad was having a conversation with one of 695 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 1: the cops involved and this subject came up. The cop 696 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: was spitting mad because they knew who did it and 697 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,680 Speaker 1: they couldn't touch him. Okay, that's news to me. He 698 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: was a Catholic priest. Dad didn't believe it. Neither did grandfather. Okay, 699 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: that just pulling out of the listener mail really fast. 700 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: I had not seen that anywhere in the research. But that's, 701 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,399 Speaker 1: you know, fascinating. I'm gonna look into that now. We're 702 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: going back in The priest got hit by a car 703 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: and died, and the killings stopped once the snow started falling. 704 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: The next year and there were no bodies. Dad said, 705 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: we didn't have to go to church anymore. Grandfather had 706 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 1: stopped going over the summer, and they both cut off 707 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: all contact with the Catholic clergy, even their best friends. 708 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: Neither of them ever talked about it. Geez, Okay, so 709 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 1: on top of his legal career, Dad wrote books crime novels. 710 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,280 Speaker 1: When he found out he was dying, he started writing 711 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: The Snow Killer and unfortunately he died before finishing it. Geez, 712 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,280 Speaker 1: this is this is fascinating information. Thank you for writing 713 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: in Diner, because we didn't find in the course of 714 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: the research we're doing, uh, information about Catholic priests being involved. No, 715 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,440 Speaker 1: not at all, and a lot of that stuff. I 716 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: never saw the snow Killer mentioned in any of the 717 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: articles that were written at the time, so I don't know. 718 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: News to me. Thank you so much for writing. And 719 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: we have one more shout out today is to Brent. 720 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: Brent says, guys, just listen to the Red Mercury episode. 721 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: A couple of points. You mentioned the possibility of red 722 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: mercury being a code name for something else. There is 723 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: a precedent for this in the nuclear community. During World 724 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,959 Speaker 1: War Two, uranium was always referred to by the code 725 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,960 Speaker 1: name copper. So how did they refer to element twenty 726 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: nine actual copper? It was honest to god copper. Also, 727 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: you're right, buying a pig in a poke as buying 728 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: something site unseen, often a dog or cat, rather than 729 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,520 Speaker 1: an actual pig, thus inadvertently revealing the scam was letting 730 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: the cat out of the bag. Keep it going. Thank 731 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: you for the etymology lessons there, Brent. That's pretty awesome 732 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,240 Speaker 1: talk about connecting dots. Yeah, I think we're gonna stick 733 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: stick with Badger. So I've never bought a dog in 734 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,279 Speaker 1: a bag, no, or a pig. Nol is nodding in 735 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: a very like sympathetic way right now. Well, I mean, 736 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just seems like a real stretch 737 00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: to agree to buying a creature sight unsea. I mean, 738 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: what if it turns out to be some sort of 739 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: bizarre acid spitting cryptid that as soon as you open 740 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: that string, jumps right out and you know, melts your 741 00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: face off with its acid venom. Should make a p 742 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: s A. We should do a p s A against 743 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 1: buying things, uh, buying things in bags without looking inside 744 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: the bag. Because I have a kid, and there's a 745 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: big thing the kids love these days is these little 746 00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: things you buy, these little trinkets where you don't know 747 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: what's in it. It's like it looks like a little 748 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: yogurt cup. It's got this little like an Asian kind 749 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,120 Speaker 1: of drinket that it's a stamp or a lip balm 750 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: or something like that. And the whole joy of it 751 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,919 Speaker 1: is in not knowing what it is. But at least 752 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: you know that it's not gonna eat your face off. 753 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: It's not a living creature. That's That's honestly why I 754 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: love magic cards. When you buy the packs and you 755 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: don't know what the rars. Maybe one do you get 756 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: a live pig? Oh? I only hope. So, speaking in 757 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:32,920 Speaker 1: fantastic segways, this concludes ours but not our show. Visit 758 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: our website stuff. They don't want you to know. To 759 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,879 Speaker 1: check out any and all of the episodes that Matt, 760 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: Noel and I have done in previous dage. Can I 761 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,359 Speaker 1: do a plug? Yeah, we got show. It's not our, 762 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: but we participated in it. It's um. I don't know 763 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: if you guys are familiar with the wonderful wonderful publication 764 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: and website mental flaws. Well, the two dudes Will and 765 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: Man guests that actually founded that publication work for us. 766 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 1: Now not us stuff. They don't want you to know us. 767 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: You know the greater how stuff works. They work, They 768 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 1: do work with us, and they are lovely, lovely dudes 769 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: and they have a new show called Part Time Genius 770 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,600 Speaker 1: that Ben helped editorially with. I did the audio mixing 771 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: and the music and sound design, and Tristan who's producing 772 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: the show, did the editing, and I did some promotional 773 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,120 Speaker 1: videos did Indeed, we all had actually all fingers in 774 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: that particular batcherpot. It takes a it takes a village, 775 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: and we think that you were really going to enjoy 776 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,319 Speaker 1: this show. The guys worked really hard on it. They 777 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: are brilliant. Uh, they're far, far too humble in my opinion. 778 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,440 Speaker 1: And I used to funny funny story. I've been a 779 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 1: fan for years from the Mental Flush days. I have 780 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: an autographed book of theirs. It's a it's strange, but yeah, 781 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,680 Speaker 1: the show is out now. I think they released four 782 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: episode and one goes so you've got like some nice 783 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: material to dig through. There about forty five minutes apiece, 784 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,439 Speaker 1: and there are four on the channel right now. Part 785 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,240 Speaker 1: Time Genie us on Apple, podcast, Stitcher or anywhere else 786 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 1: you get your audio delights in One warning, if you 787 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: hear the theme song for Part Time Genius, it will 788 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,800 Speaker 1: not leave your ears for many a day. Uh. That awesome, 789 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: But man, that thing is a jammer. So let us 790 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: know what you think of Part Time Genius. If you 791 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: like our show, you will love There's as well. Oh 792 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: and one last thing, lest we forget, gentlemen, UH listeners, 793 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: we have a special treat. Very soon we will be 794 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,280 Speaker 1: having David Bakara, the gentleman who runs Expedition Bigfoot speaking 795 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: of Cryptids, Yes, a Bigfoot museum in North Georgia, and 796 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,439 Speaker 1: he's gonna be coming physically in to this studio, into 797 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: this room, and we're going to speak with him, hopefully 798 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: next week. In the meantime, if you have a topic 799 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: that you think your fellow listeners would enjoy learning about, 800 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,040 Speaker 1: let us know. 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