Speaker 1: I have Kylie's lipstick on right now. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that I told you before we started, you
Speaker 1: look so pretty. I am speaking to one of the
Speaker 1: women that I really greatly admire. I do, Chris Jenner,
Speaker 1: mother of six, extraordinary businesswoman, homemaker and all around pretty
Speaker 1: good girl. I was really impressed a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: when I went to visit Chris Jenner at her beautiful
Speaker 1: new home in Calubus's, California. I did not know what
Speaker 1: to expect. I didn't welcome to my podcast, Chris Jenner.
Speaker 1: I had been sort of to Calibras's before, but I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to drive up a long, long
Speaker 1: driveway into some fabulous, huge mansion, and instead we drive
Speaker 1: up it's a crowded neighborhood. Houses are close together. They
Speaker 1: do have some acreage around them, but it's such a
Speaker 1: neighborhood and I thought, gosh, you would live in pure privacy.
Speaker 1: But you have neighbors, and you can see your neighbors houses,
Speaker 1: and despite all your notoriety and your popularity, you are
Speaker 1: right there in a lovely neighborhood, knowing your neighbors. Your
Speaker 1: neighbors know you, they know what goes on, and you
Speaker 1: seem to coexist very perfectly. I know, I was really happy.
Speaker 1: Oh good. You know, we've lived here in this neighborhood
Speaker 1: since and so it's really hard to I've thought many
Speaker 1: times and had other opportunities to move here and buy there,
Speaker 1: and on and on, and you know, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, this is where I'm most comfortable. And
Speaker 1: I'm also surrounded by all my kids. So Chloe's next
Speaker 1: to all six, well five of them, five out of six.
Speaker 1: I got lucky. The other, uh, the other little duckling, Kendall.
Speaker 1: She's still in the city, but she came out here
Speaker 1: the other day and said, Mom, I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: So you never know what you're gonna get. But most
Speaker 1: of us live here, and it's it's been one of
Speaker 1: the most rewarding just experiences of my life living near
Speaker 1: my kids. So and then I brought my mom out
Speaker 1: from you know, San Diego and moved her up here,
Speaker 1: so we're all together as a family. Well, let's go
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and seven, when you were fifty
Speaker 1: two years old in your second marriage, you have six kids,
Speaker 1: and you come up with the idea that you're large
Speaker 1: and beautiful family would make great reality TV and you
Speaker 1: we're right, you had a good idea. Were you just
Speaker 1: a bold woman or had you've been thinking about this
Speaker 1: a long time? You know, exposing your entire family through
Speaker 1: the eyes of the entire country as a pretty bold move.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. My daughter is way too private
Speaker 1: and no amount of persuading could ever persuade her. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because at the time in my life,
Speaker 1: it was really trying to figure out life and how
Speaker 1: I was going to live the rest of my life
Speaker 1: and support my kids. And Courtney and I had just
Speaker 1: opened up a children's clothing store. The other girls opened
Speaker 1: up a woman's boutique next door, and we were having
Speaker 1: the time of our lives, working side by side, living
Speaker 1: in hidden hills and in Calabasas and just trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. And everybody had always said to me
Speaker 1: over the years, you know, especially in recent years from
Speaker 1: that time around the early two thousand, to you guys
Speaker 1: would make the best reality show, because I'm sure they
Speaker 1: were watching other reality shows and you know, getting similar vibes.
Speaker 1: And one day a casting director named Dina Kats came
Speaker 1: over to the house, and she's the casting director for
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars and other big TV shows, and
Speaker 1: she said, this is the craziest night I've ever had.
Speaker 1: She goes, you guys really need to talk to Ryan
Speaker 1: Seacrest because he's looking for some reality TV and this
Speaker 1: is a show waiting to happen. And you know, it
Speaker 1: was chaos in the house. All the kids were there
Speaker 1: and things were happening, and probably two or three celebrity
Speaker 1: friends probably stopped by. And I had come from this
Speaker 1: really big life in Beverly Hills before I got married
Speaker 1: for the second time, so I knew everybody, and I
Speaker 1: had all these relationships and I was well connected, but
Speaker 1: I didn't obviously have a TV show. So she set
Speaker 1: up a meeting with one of his executives, met with him,
Speaker 1: that met with Ryan, and then before I knew it,
Speaker 1: like thirty days went by and we were filming a
Speaker 1: TV show. It happened really really fast, and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to sell what the premise of the
Speaker 1: show was. They weren't really interested in a show about
Speaker 1: Bruce or myself Bruce Jenner at the time, or myself.
Speaker 1: They were interested in the girls and um, you know,
Speaker 1: and what that might look like because it was a
Speaker 1: younger network. In my mind, you know, that's probably those
Speaker 1: are my words, but I felt like they were very
Speaker 1: relevant for what was going on. Ryan was more interested
Speaker 1: in the girls, right that you got that right? So
Speaker 1: those five beauties, Now, what did you think having five
Speaker 1: beautiful girls? What ages were they? Then? Kendall and Kylie
Speaker 1: were nine and ten, so they were in school, and
Speaker 1: so my thinking was listening. My motivation to do this
Speaker 1: was really about we could maybe make this into something
Speaker 1: really fun, work together as a family, and we could
Speaker 1: pay the bills. And I said to Courtney, you know,
Speaker 1: this is great because we have this store, this children's
Speaker 1: store that's so much fun. And that was our passion
Speaker 1: at the time. And my mother had had a children's
Speaker 1: store for about forty five years in Lajoya, so that's
Speaker 1: what I knew, and that's what I grew up with.
Speaker 1: So I thought, oh, my gosh, we're going to sell
Speaker 1: more T shirts. We're gonna have customers coming in from
Speaker 1: everywhere to buy kids clothes and and then go to
Speaker 1: the girl's shop. And that was really my thinking at
Speaker 1: that very moment. But yeah, Kendall and Kylie were kids
Speaker 1: at school and I thought, well, they can film if
Speaker 1: they want to when they come home from school and
Speaker 1: after they do their homework and the other girls. There's
Speaker 1: so much going on constantly that you know there'll be
Speaker 1: plenty to film and to talk about. And you keep
Speaker 1: all of this. And do you know when they were
Speaker 1: all born? And within their do you know the birthdays
Speaker 1: of all the grandchildren? You know? I'm lucky. I know
Speaker 1: eleven grandchildren's names. Um, I could get pretty close. I
Speaker 1: could get pretty close. But I do know my kids
Speaker 1: names in their birthdays. Thank god, I'm not getting who
Speaker 1: knows in a couple of years. My memory is wild.
Speaker 1: Oh no, your your memory is pretty fantasts I was
Speaker 1: testing you at lunch. You remembered everything. You know everything.
Speaker 1: It's just it's incredible because that many, that many children,
Speaker 1: and that many grandchildren. And I was doing my math
Speaker 1: before I called you today. And thank goodness, I was
Speaker 1: only fourteen when you were born, because otherwise I would
Speaker 1: feel like I was your mom. No, we are spirits.
Speaker 1: It would have been pretty impossible to be your mom.
Speaker 1: I didn't get my period till I was fourteen, so
Speaker 1: I could not be physically your mom. Goodness, but you are.
Speaker 1: You are a role model to so many other mothers.
Speaker 1: My mother would have loved you, because she was also
Speaker 1: a mother of six, and she balanced and juggled and
Speaker 1: did everything with a job. She was a teacher, but
Speaker 1: she went to work every day. She taught sixth grade,
Speaker 1: and she was as good as you are at balancing
Speaker 1: the various personalities of the kids. Because all your children
Speaker 1: are so different from one another that I've seen so far,
Speaker 1: and those differences show up very very strongly on your show.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, they're so different. They all
Speaker 1: have you know, they have this this common denominator if
Speaker 1: you will, that obviously we're all from the same family,
Speaker 1: and they most of them have children, so they have
Speaker 1: similar lifestyles. And you're the common denominator because there are
Speaker 1: two days, right, But you're the common denominator, and you're
Speaker 1: very balanced nature as as it appears anyway, both on
Speaker 1: the show and and in real life, you seem to
Speaker 1: have that. You're like the anchor. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: really very organized when I was a young mom, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's what attracted me so much to you, seriously,
Speaker 1: and that's why you were such an inspiration to me
Speaker 1: for decades, because it gave me great pleasure to have
Speaker 1: everything in order. And I'm I love celebrating everything. And
Speaker 1: I think when you have a lot of kids and
Speaker 1: you have all these wonderful memories and you have things
Speaker 1: that you celebrate, and you know, the holidays, and I
Speaker 1: just made everything, especially when they were little. I loved
Speaker 1: making everything really special. That gave me great pleasure. I
Speaker 1: mean to go by a Halloween decoration from you, and
Speaker 1: I mean I had one year I had, like in
Speaker 1: two thousand or two thousand and two or three, I
Speaker 1: remember decorating my whole front yard and crows because you
Speaker 1: came out with crows for Halloween. And I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm having the happiest day of my life because I'm
Speaker 1: you know, and I think your kids see that energy
Speaker 1: and that sense of you know, juata vie that you
Speaker 1: can create in your family, and it just gave me
Speaker 1: so much happiness that I had so many kids and
Speaker 1: it was so much fun. And you just no matter
Speaker 1: what's going on and what you have to overcome, any
Speaker 1: kind of adversity, any kind of problems or anything else,
Speaker 1: you deal with that, but you also show this side
Speaker 1: that you want everything to be okay and you want
Speaker 1: your kids to grow up with these great lessons that
Speaker 1: you can teach them in life. Well, a lot of
Speaker 1: that comes out on your show so much. And and
Speaker 1: I enjoyed very much the first episode, Oh good of
Speaker 1: your new show. I watched the the entire thing, and
Speaker 1: I really did enjoy it. And I especially enjoyed you
Speaker 1: have wonderful cameraman to those beautiful drone shots and the
Speaker 1: and the wonderful editing. It's it's a very very good show.
Speaker 1: And audience, I just want you to know it's it
Speaker 1: was the most watched show ever on Hulu, right that
Speaker 1: crazy when I they called me to tell me, and
Speaker 1: I was literally I was so proud and so excited,
Speaker 1: and so you know, we've done this for so many years.
Speaker 1: We were at E four almost fifteen years, twenty seasons,
Speaker 1: and when we started this new chapter, I was so
Speaker 1: excited about doing something. I mean, who doesn't want to
Speaker 1: work for Disney. I mean I was pinching myself. I thought,
Speaker 1: this is the greatest thing ever to have a new
Speaker 1: chapter and do something new. And I was happy that
Speaker 1: it was streaming, and I was happy that, you know,
Speaker 1: we kind of said, well, we're not going to do
Speaker 1: this anymore, and then we went never mind, Yes we
Speaker 1: are because we love doing it so much. It gets
Speaker 1: you together, it keeps you together, and there's a thread
Speaker 1: that is so strong that's not going to snap anytime soon.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty remarkable. That's a remarkable feat for a mom.
Speaker 1: When we started filming again and we were filming for Hulu,
Speaker 1: and I had a moment. We had about a year
Speaker 1: off and I had a moment when I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: are we as anybody gonna still want to be watching us?
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, that got closer and
Speaker 1: closer to when we were going to begin filming, and
Speaker 1: we were getting more excited and I was getting a
Speaker 1: little anxious. And then all of a sudden, I said
Speaker 1: to myself, wait a second, Kylie's pregnant. Courtney doesn't even
Speaker 1: know it yet, she's getting engaged. And I went down
Speaker 1: the list of all the things that were happening naturally
Speaker 1: in our family, and you really just can't make this
Speaker 1: stuff up. It's not like you could create these moments
Speaker 1: that are life changing things that are going on and
Speaker 1: create something that's not real. So that made me really
Speaker 1: happy that we had so much to share. When I
Speaker 1: wrote a little essay about Kim for Time magazine when
Speaker 1: she was awarded the Time one hundred of Yes distinction.
Speaker 1: I wrote that you were the modern day Brady Bunch.
Speaker 1: And I think that that with social media, has made
Speaker 1: you the most popular family in the whole wide world,
Speaker 1: and the most watched family and the most admired. Also
Speaker 1: the most talked about and the most watched. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. So you have a standard that you must
Speaker 1: hold up any flaws in that theory of mine, that
Speaker 1: you are going to keep that demeanor. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is this is hard. Do you ever say, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I can't do it? Does anybody say that? Not yet?
Speaker 1: I think the last go round with our last network,
Speaker 1: at the end of that, Courtney was a little burnout.
Speaker 1: You know. She was the first to say, I'm tired.
Speaker 1: This is you know, really draining on my personal life
Speaker 1: and this and that. But I think that we all
Speaker 1: saw that, and we all saw how she came back
Speaker 1: and she's better than ever. And you know what's interesting,
Speaker 1: kind of a fun fact when I think about it,
Speaker 1: I it really blows my mind is when we started
Speaker 1: filming in two thousand seven, there was barely Twitter. I
Speaker 1: remember Ryan Seacrest calling up Kim and going, you know,
Speaker 1: or he actually he called me and he said, make
Speaker 1: sure you tell him about this little thing called Twitter.
Speaker 1: She needs to start tweeting. And I was like, what,
Speaker 1: She's not a bird, She's not gonna do what. So
Speaker 1: it was funny because there was no Instagram, there was
Speaker 1: no Snapchat, there was no TikTok. So we kind of
Speaker 1: grew along with the social media audience, who I think
Speaker 1: became at a very early stage sort of emotionally invested
Speaker 1: in what we were doing. And they kind of everybody
Speaker 1: liked either one of us or the other, so they
Speaker 1: got kind of into that. And I think because there's
Speaker 1: so many of us, that's what makes it so successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's a multiplier effect. I mean, you have altogether,
Speaker 1: you have an extraordinary number of followers all together. You
Speaker 1: far exceed the most popular of all instagrammers, re alto
Speaker 1: the great soccer player. But your daughter, I guess it's Kylie.
Speaker 1: Kylie's the followed female on the Internet in the world
Speaker 1: and she has I mean hundreds of millions of followers
Speaker 1: worldwide and a cosmetics brand that youngsters from my granddaughter's
Speaker 1: age eleven all the way up to me. What's so
Speaker 1: great about the girls, and the thing I'm the proudest
Speaker 1: of is their hearts. They're just really great human beings
Speaker 1: and they're so kind and they would give you the
Speaker 1: shirt off their back. They would help anybody in need.
Speaker 1: Their their wonderful people, and they have great work ethic,
Speaker 1: and they're honest, and they are the best mothers. And
Speaker 1: my son is the greatest dad in the world. And
Speaker 1: I just I'm so proud of that. I'm proud of
Speaker 1: I'm proud of who they are and what they all
Speaker 1: did together to get to where we are today. It's
Speaker 1: not like we just woke up and said, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: we want to be famous and do this and that
Speaker 1: it's really it was really there was more of a
Speaker 1: purpose in working, which is we needed to set you know,
Speaker 1: said it before we needed to pay the bills, and
Speaker 1: that was really exciting that we found something that worked
Speaker 1: and that clicked with everybody. But then along the way
Speaker 1: to be able to do it with each other. If
Speaker 1: one of us was doing this and had this notoriety
Speaker 1: and this success in various ways, it would be a
Speaker 1: ride for that person. But the fact that we do
Speaker 1: it all together at the same time is so rewarding
Speaker 1: for us. You're all building sustainable businesses that do have
Speaker 1: a long lifespan because the girls, first of all, are
Speaker 1: so young, they have years and years to go with
Speaker 1: their individual brands. And I'm somewhat of a brand expert
Speaker 1: at this point, and I can see how how strong
Speaker 1: these brands are and how you are continually building on
Speaker 1: those brands, sensible products to the brands that people will
Speaker 1: find exciting or desirable or whatever. Like a young woman
Speaker 1: like Kendall to embrace a tequila brand, for example, eight
Speaker 1: one eight tequila hand crafted from Jalisco, Mexico. I've tasted it.
Speaker 1: It's delicious tequila. She takes it one step further, and
Speaker 1: that's what I love about the girls. Like in Jalisco,
Speaker 1: where they make the tequila, they're left with the agave
Speaker 1: plants and everything they used to make the tequila with.
Speaker 1: They take the discarded materials and make it into these
Speaker 1: bricks and they helped build homes for the people in
Speaker 1: that community. So all the fibers from the agaves or
Speaker 1: they were making these bricks. It's fascinating. And so Kendall
Speaker 1: did a whole video on it and interviewed the people
Speaker 1: down there, and she got really involved in the community.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think is so great. Instead of
Speaker 1: just you know it was and about slapping your name
Speaker 1: on something, Kendall has to get into the fiber. What's
Speaker 1: happening with all the things that she does, from her
Speaker 1: modeling to everything else. But I was really fascinated that
Speaker 1: you could even do that with plant material. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: it's it's phenomenon was really cool. And then we have
Speaker 1: Kim who's making fantastic undergarments Skims Skims. I love the name.
Speaker 1: I love the name Skims say. It's very it's very
Speaker 1: clever to take the s an edit to the Kim
Speaker 1: I know her names in the middle she's so proud
Speaker 1: of Yeah, yeah, it's so great. And also her fragrances
Speaker 1: and what I also like very much about her her
Speaker 1: undergarments is that she puts them in the ads on
Speaker 1: every size body, which is so so I mean, that
Speaker 1: is admirable because it's not just the skinny size six,
Speaker 1: short girls, on tall girls. You can see that they
Speaker 1: work on everybody. I think that's so great because she
Speaker 1: I think I told you this story once, but you know,
Speaker 1: Kim has wanted to do a shapewear line for ten years.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's just always talked about during her own shapewear.
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget the time I showed up her
Speaker 1: and Kendall were doing a red carpet and can years ago,
Speaker 1: and I had to go to the hotel because they
Speaker 1: put you down in a special hotel the day of
Speaker 1: that you're walking a red carpet because the traffic is
Speaker 1: so crazy. So these girls are up in this room
Speaker 1: on whatever floor, and I walk in to get Kim,
Speaker 1: thinking she's going to be ready, and she's bending over
Speaker 1: a bathtub that's full of hot water and about a
Speaker 1: gazillion tea bags and she's dying shapewear that she had
Speaker 1: cut up into various shapes and sizes and pieces and
Speaker 1: getting these certain skin tones just the way she wanted
Speaker 1: them with the tea bags. And then everything was, you know,
Speaker 1: getting laid out to dry, and I said, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? She goes, I'm making my own shape wear.
Speaker 1: And this was years and years ago, so changing them
Speaker 1: skin colors. Yeah, So now she has this range, this
Speaker 1: very inclusive range of beautiful skin tones for anybody to match,
Speaker 1: and all these different shapes and sizes so anybody can
Speaker 1: fit her product. And that's what I love so much about.
Speaker 1: It's just like good American and the genes that Chloe has.
Speaker 1: It's I think size zero too. It goes up and
Speaker 1: up and up, and anybody can find something. So I
Speaker 1: just I'm thrilled that the girls have built these businesses
Speaker 1: in these brands and made them so inclusive and easy
Speaker 1: to fit. Can I ask, are they competitive? You know
Speaker 1: what they're not. You will see Chloe doing a Skims ad.
Speaker 1: You will see Kim promoting Kylie's Kylie Cosmetics. You will
Speaker 1: see they're so supportive of one another, and that makes
Speaker 1: me so happy because they love and they love giving
Speaker 1: each other business advice or you know, weighing in on
Speaker 1: different things that maybe one has done and the other
Speaker 1: hasn't tackled yet. It's really nice. It's like a built
Speaker 1: in focus group. Now, you're beautiful offices that you have
Speaker 1: out there in California? Do you go to the office
Speaker 1: pretty much every day? I go several times a week.
Speaker 1: I don't go every single Like today, I was going
Speaker 1: to go to the office and I ended up staying
Speaker 1: home because we had a house guest and I had
Speaker 1: things to do here. And a lot going on this afternoon,
Speaker 1: So I get over there because it's really close to
Speaker 1: my house, but I don't go every single day. Well,
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen pictures of it. I haven't visited
Speaker 1: your offices yet, but it looks so impressive and again,
Speaker 1: clean and friendly, beautiful atmosphere in which to collaborate, to
Speaker 1: talk to, to confer with all these various businesses, and
Speaker 1: that you keep them all top of mind again is
Speaker 1: an admirable fee. But you really, you really are a momager,
Speaker 1: aren't you? Well? I try, you know. I think that
Speaker 1: I wear a lot of different hats, for sure, and
Speaker 1: I think that my favorite hat is mom. But what
Speaker 1: I've realized when I do have the opportunity to take
Speaker 1: a few days off or just to settle down or
Speaker 1: be on a vacation, which is almost never, but if
Speaker 1: I have some time off, I realize how much I
Speaker 1: miss it when I get back into it, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is where I get my energy. This is how
Speaker 1: I I feel like I shine. Is when I'm working
Speaker 1: and trying to navigate through something and trying to troubleshoot something.
Speaker 1: I feel like for every problem, I can find some
Speaker 1: sort of a solution. So I'm a real solution based
Speaker 1: person and I love trying to figure things out and
Speaker 1: I can point and shoot. You know, I'm really good
Speaker 1: at saying, Okay, let's do this, this, this, and this,
Speaker 1: and then figuring out how to get it done. What
Speaker 1: I did? Did you shoot down that ultimately succeeded? Is
Speaker 1: there something to remember saying no to something that finally
Speaker 1: became a big blockbuster? You know what? It's so funny.
Speaker 1: I had this conversation with somebody the other day. I
Speaker 1: think it was Emma Greed from Skims. She works with
Speaker 1: us on a Good American and she said, remember the
Speaker 1: time when somebody wanted to work with Rob in the
Speaker 1: back end of it. I think it was Tender the
Speaker 1: dating app. And I was like, oh no, he no,
Speaker 1: hell no, no dating app. You know this is before
Speaker 1: my dating app. What are you talking about? I had
Speaker 1: no idea. Then we were talking about it yesterday and
Speaker 1: we were laughing, and I said, oh, my gosh, you
Speaker 1: know how funny Barry Diller has made many billions of
Speaker 1: dollars off of those dating apps. Isn't that crazy that
Speaker 1: I just I didn't get it at the time, So,
Speaker 1: you know, Mama doesn't always know best, but I try.
Speaker 1: I try. You have businesses with actual products, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you've done very very well. What about Push? I don't
Speaker 1: really know. Posh Phush is a lifestyle platform where Courtney
Speaker 1: has really developed this following of people who really want
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of all the amazing products
Speaker 1: that she showcases, and she partners with other brands to
Speaker 1: shine a big, bright light on things that are good
Speaker 1: for the planet and that are a lifestyle of eating
Speaker 1: healthy or vegan or gluten free. She is she loves
Speaker 1: products that are safe for the environment, and she focuses
Speaker 1: in showcases the greatest stuff. It's almost like when I
Speaker 1: read everything she talks about and everything she highlights and showcases,
Speaker 1: or she has a collab with. She did a collaboration
Speaker 1: with vital Protein the call gen powder that you put
Speaker 1: in a drink, and they did so well with that.
Speaker 1: And then she'll suddenly do something with a light mask
Speaker 1: for you know, sort of an anti aging kind of
Speaker 1: light mask that I love to put on because she
Speaker 1: tells me it's going to make me a hundred years
Speaker 1: younger if I keep doing it, So I do it,
Speaker 1: and look, she just you're so cute. She comes up
Speaker 1: with some of the greatest partnerships and focuses on showcasing
Speaker 1: them on her push website. So that's been really fun
Speaker 1: and just she has retreats that they'll do that are
Speaker 1: sponsored by huge, big blue chip brands, and just focusing
Speaker 1: on bringing the awareness of all of this stuff to
Speaker 1: the forefront. So, you know, I've been doing a lot
Speaker 1: of reading about you and your family, and I just
Speaker 1: wanted to touch back. You married, and how old were
Speaker 1: you when you married? Robert Kardashian twenty two. I met
Speaker 1: him when I was seventeen, almost eighteen. I met him
Speaker 1: at the del Mar race track and I was there
Speaker 1: with some friends. I wasn't old enough to place a bet,
Speaker 1: so I had to stand over to the side of
Speaker 1: the you know, people at the betting window. My friends
Speaker 1: were betting, and I would give them my three dollars
Speaker 1: and they would place a bet for me. He came
Speaker 1: up to me and introduced himself, and that's how we met.
Speaker 1: So he sort of picked you off, he did at
Speaker 1: the race track where I didn't belong betting betting at
Speaker 1: the race track. I thought you were a cool girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we dated and eventually got engaged and got married when
Speaker 1: I was twenty two, and I got pregnant on our honeymoon,
Speaker 1: and I had Courtney nine months, two weeks and two
Speaker 1: days later. And I know that because all the Armenian
Speaker 1: ladies were probably counting, so I was no. I promised
Speaker 1: I got pregnant on my honeymoon. You know, those are
Speaker 1: the days that I'm very old fashioned and right. You
Speaker 1: want to be very proper, right then with that big
Speaker 1: Armenian family, you bet. So how does it feel when
Speaker 1: you're girls are going out and getting pregnant with right
Speaker 1: men who are not there or not. Their husbands have evolved,
Speaker 1: haven't you, I guess so, you know, I get more
Speaker 1: and more understanding, and I get what this generation and
Speaker 1: I have so many generations now in my family. I
Speaker 1: guess there's such a big age difference. You're embracing what's
Speaker 1: happening in the world. You have to, you know. I
Speaker 1: think I've been through so many things in my life
Speaker 1: that hindsight is very important in my life because I
Speaker 1: learned so much along the way that I knew nothing
Speaker 1: about before. And I think that I'm very I do.
Speaker 1: I embrace what is in front of me, and I
Speaker 1: think that I am easy once I under stand it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like with the girls, they could throw
Speaker 1: anything at me, and I'm here for them. They know
Speaker 1: that there's nothing that I would judge, not at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just I just never would. The last
Speaker 1: thing I want to talk about it in terms of
Speaker 1: product is safely. Oh my safely cleaning products means so
Speaker 1: much to me. I mean, when I visited your home,
Speaker 1: you have an impeccably clean home, sparkling clean. That means
Speaker 1: so much coming from you. And by the way, everybody,
Speaker 1: it doesn't smell like anything but home. There's no irritating fragrance.
Speaker 1: There's no obvious any smells anywhere. It just smells like
Speaker 1: a beautiful, clean environment. And that I guess is safely. Well,
Speaker 1: it's safely. And we had a fragrance called Rise and
Speaker 1: it came in this beautiful it comes in this beautiful
Speaker 1: green packaging and yesterday, funny that you should ask, we
Speaker 1: came out with a new fragrance in this beautiful, serene
Speaker 1: baby baby lavender and some of it's just cream packaging
Speaker 1: and it's called Calm and it has a light light
Speaker 1: lavender scent. It's the most beautiful scent and the most
Speaker 1: beautiful packaging. I actually got a call from Chloe this
Speaker 1: morning and she said, Mom, I'm into the calm packaging
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, but its way. She goes, this
Speaker 1: is what I can get. She goes, this is my aesthetic.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, Chloe, it's on its way. So it's
Speaker 1: really when you say it. When you say it has
Speaker 1: a scent, is that infused into the product. And it's
Speaker 1: all plant based. It doesn't have anything bad and it
Speaker 1: like parabins and all these other things. But it's really fantastic.
Speaker 1: It works like nobody's business. I mean, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: so impressed with. We sell it at Walmart exclusively right now,
Speaker 1: we have it on get safely dot com, and then
Speaker 1: you can get it at Walmart stores across the country
Speaker 1: and it's doing really really well there and I'm so
Speaker 1: proud and happy about it. But I'm really happy that
Speaker 1: the packaging is wonderful. But it really works, and that's
Speaker 1: what I've I've used so many products. When Courtney first
Speaker 1: started doing Push a few years ago, she was using
Speaker 1: some products that she didn't have the mom poush but
Speaker 1: in her home, you know, she was trying to teach
Speaker 1: me about plant based products and how to be better
Speaker 1: for the environment and the planet. And so I was
Speaker 1: trying to get on her bandwagon. And I went over
Speaker 1: to her house and it just never quite smelled as
Speaker 1: clean as I wanted my house to smell. So when
Speaker 1: she went on vacation, I went over there with my friend,
Speaker 1: these two friends and one of her housekeepers was there,
Speaker 1: and we cleaned her entire house with products she would
Speaker 1: have been so angry about. It was so funny and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, she'll never smell it. It just made
Speaker 1: me feel better to clean her house. I don't know
Speaker 1: why I felt like I needed to do that, but
Speaker 1: I did. It sounds like me, yeah, right, we're so.
Speaker 1: I'm like a lunatic when it comes to stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I was over there with my gloves on and
Speaker 1: scrubbing floors and I really was. It's like my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to do. And when I finished a week later,
Speaker 1: when she came home, she still smelled a really strong,
Speaker 1: ammonious smell of what I was using. Now, when I
Speaker 1: think about that and I think about what we're making
Speaker 1: was safely, it's there's such a difference, but it's a
Speaker 1: product that really works so I wanted something that worked
Speaker 1: like that but didn't smell like that, so we nailed it.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that. Thank you. Yeah, I'm excited. You are
Speaker 1: an extraordinary human being to be able to embrace all
Speaker 1: that into and it does not stress, doesn't show on
Speaker 1: your face. One ioted idea, well, listen, Chris has such
Speaker 1: a lovely face that doesn't show doesn't show stress whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure sometimes you feel stressed, of course, but
Speaker 1: look you look, you look daily, but you cope with
Speaker 1: it better than anybody I've met in the last few years. Really,
Speaker 1: and truly, you're amazing. Thank you, and I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see what evolves with the new program. I cannot
Speaker 1: wait to see what evolves with all your myriad businesses,
Speaker 1: because this is really the dynasty of not just the decade,
Speaker 1: but of maybe the beginning of the new century. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just incredible what you're doing, and I admire it tremendously.
Speaker 1: And I could continue with this talk forever and ever
Speaker 1: and ever, but I think we've touched on on so
Speaker 1: much and I think there's lots more to talk about,
Speaker 1: and maybe in a few months we can have another
Speaker 1: conversation here for that, Martha. You know that, and thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me on your show and
Speaker 1: this podcast. It's been And you look amazingly beautiful. You
Speaker 1: had one of the most beautiful dresses at the met
Speaker 1: Ball this year in two you looked amazed than and
Speaker 1: I was looking through all the two pictures that I
Speaker 1: didn't go to the ball, but I was looking through
Speaker 1: the pictures that the New York Times published, and you
Speaker 1: stood out more than pretty much anybody that means the world,
Speaker 1: that means the world. I had a ball, and I
Speaker 1: really did time with my kids. Well great and again
Speaker 1: congratulations and we'll talk against so thank you