WEBVTT - Joy Reid & Mike Duggan 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.120 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:12.840 today's best minds, and Congressman Rocanna says that the Democratic 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.120 leadership is out of touch. We have such a great 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.960 show for you today, the Joyread Shows. Joy Read drops 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.040 by to talk to us about what Democrats need to 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.400 do next, how they can recapture enthusiasm, and how we 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:32.320 can keep from being really disappointed with them. Then we'll 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:39.400 talk to Detroit mayor and goubernatorial candidate Mike Duggan about 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.640 his run in the Great State of Michigan. But first 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:43.720 the news. II. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.839 I haven't read the internet and seen more of a 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.440 time where the Democrats have been more mad inside their 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.760 base at a leadership, and it is unbelievable how much 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.840 people are calling for this to be the end of 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.160 Chuck Schumer's reign as the leader of the Senate Deems. 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:05.559 All right, so we're going to not even do news. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.959 We're going to talk about what I saw on the 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:11.319 ground in my experience over the last three days. Okay, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.120 this is like literally the people I talk to. This 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.720 is basically reporting, but it's my reporting of what happened 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.440 to me. I heard from somebody very smart who I 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.759 talk to a lot, that Democrats were about to cave. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:28.800 I was told by Leadership's office that Schumer was going 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:29.199 to vote. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:29.440 Now. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.680 Here's the thing. If you vote now, it means either 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:38.240 you do not control your caucus or what's the other choice. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:39.839 I want to talk about this for a minute because 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:42.560 this is so important. If you look at who voted 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.920 to reopen the government in this Senate group, everyone who 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.880 voted to reopen the government are people who are either 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.520 not up for election until a bunch of cycles from. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.120 Now many which is twenty thirty right. 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.400 Or are retiring. What does that say? Do you really 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.760 believe that every person who wanted to reopen the government 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.760 had these very neat re election schedules. Do you believe that. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:11.359 If you believe that, then you are stupid. What happened 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.320 here is that the Senate caved. And I don't know 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.480 what Chuck Schumer knew when he knew it, but this 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.160 does not happen without leadership spuying. So here's the question, 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.200 why would you do this? Why would you go for 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:31.000 a shutdown then decide to reopen the government right after 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.720 Democrats had a huge win. Why why why why? And 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.520 I think the answer is I think that leadership got scared. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.280 I think they were worried that Republicans would never reopen 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.320 the government. But fear is not a place to operate from. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:48.480 And Democrats need to have a leader who is more 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.600 Mitch McConnell and less Chuck Schumer. So if you're going 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.240 to shut down the government, you have to expect that 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.160 Democrats are going to have to take a lot of pain. Right. 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:03.040 A government shutdown is a pain tolerance threshold exercise, and 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.680 if you don't have the pain tolerance, then you shouldn't 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.880 be shutting down the government. I personally have always thought 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:14.400 that they should have had very clear deliverables on the shutdown, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.800 and that it shouldn't have been something like Obamacare subsidies, 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.919 because here's the thing. Even though it's good that they 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.760 got the conversation going about healthcare, the reality is Republicans 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.359 were never going to fund these Obamacare subsidies, right, they 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:35.240 never were. They wanted a skinny Obamacare repeal, that's what 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:37.960 they wanted. And by the way, this is going to 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.440 be really bad for Trump. You know, Trump is losing 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.360 on affordability while everybody's healthcare is about to get way 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:45.280 more expensive. 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.320 Yeah, it's looking very bad for my own family. And 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.760 as we're going to be some of the recipients of this, 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.400 and I have to say that this is a no brainer. 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.600 But also at the end of the day, like you know, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.800 we talked to a smart audience of people on politics, 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.120 the optics of an old guy with a flip phone 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.600 after we had an old president, when we can have 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.600 a fighter like Chris Murphy or somebody like that. There 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.800 when they pulled democratic issues and democratic issues are popular, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.040 Democrats are not popular in brand, and the leadership is 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:18.680 not popular. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:22.640 And then here's the thing. There is no more time. Okay, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:28.039 Like there were four years of Americans being like, well, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.880 Biden's a good man, he might be. We're done. There's 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:36.599 no more time for making excuses. It's over. Okay, it 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.320 is over. There's no more time for making excuses. Chuck 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:45.320 Schumer is a lovely guy, you know whatever, But this 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.440 is not this is not it now. If American democracy 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.400 is on the brink, which we believe, we're not saying 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.080 stuff we don't believe here on this podcast, we absolutely 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.840 believe that American democracy and is on the brink. If 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:03.120 it is, then it has to be Democrats need to 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.080 have real leadership, and that's Chris Murphy and not Chuck Schumer. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.680 Senator Schumer has failed to meet the moment. He is 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:14.000 out of touch with the American people, says Rashieta to Leib. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:20.480 All Right, okay, pretty lefty, Seth Moulton, not lefty even 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:25.119 a little. If Schumer were an effective leader, he would 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:30.320 have united his caucus to vote no. All right, we 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:35.120 got Mike Levine, we got Rogue Kanna. These are people. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.880 Here's what they have in common. They're savvy. We talk 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.440 a lot. Remember we've been talking about this Marjorie Taylor 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.039 Green news cycle where she's gone on to say she 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.520 now believes that she doesn't believe in Q and on anymore. 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:50.280 You know, there's been like is she a good person? No, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.400 none of these people are good people. They are opportunists. 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.920 But they see an opportunity, right, Like that's the thing, 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.320 your political opportunist and you see an offer unity. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.400 Yeah. I think with seeing move on dot org calling 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:11.680 for his resignation and that the pulling of Dems is 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:17.400 just overwhelming, like this, really it's time you served us. Okay, enough, sure, whatever, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.520 I'm not gonna say a lot of nice things that 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.880 some people might say it's time for this to end. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.640 We have other fish to fry, though, probably a lobster, 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:27.560 because we're going to talk about Maine because the Senator 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.720 Angus King did some of the worst messaging I've ever 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:31.480 seen in my life. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:35.960 Let's talk about Maine. The other main senator is a Republican. Okay, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.240 so nobody is saying like Angus King has to go, 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.240 because we understand Angus King is very much a product 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.560 of where he lives. Okay, period paragraph, Angus King just 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.960 needs to shut up. Okay, like he doesn't have to go. 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.240 He says, to stop talking me. He's an independent who 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.719 caucuses with the Democrats. He's a manor. And he said 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.479 the single worst thing you can say, especially when you're 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:03.320 fighting authoritarianism, which is really what's happening here. He said, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:08.000 we tried to stand up to Trump and it didn't work. 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.080 First of all, that's not true. It actually did work. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.920 Democrats decided to cave because of Schumer's bad judgment, but 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.200 that does not mean that it didn't work. And then 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.080 the other thing is that you know they don't have 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.200 to they were wrong, this is a mistake, but they 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.320 need to shut up, like going around to different places 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:32.320 and trying to make this case doesn't it's not winning 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.240 any it's not winning any hearts and minds. It's just 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.720 annoying the fuck out of all of us. And it's 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:43.320 also helping the Republicans. It's helping this anti democracy coalition 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:48.920 that Republicans have. So I would say, uh, just new 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:49.480 step it. 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.160 But Malli, there is some good news for Democrats since 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.280 last week's election. I'm going to turn to Utah, where 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.480 a decision has really really helped out. Demon's when it 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.200 comes to Jerry Rare sentence. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.600 Donald J. Trump, you may know him as many things. 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.960 Let's stick the fifth on what we're gonna call him. 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.680 Right, he went to Texas. You went to the MAGA 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.360 Republicans in Texas, he said, get me five seats. The 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.760 MAGA Republicans, Greg Abbott, Ken Paxton, people who have their 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:22.640 own problems with corruption, they said, no problem, five seats, 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.239 no problem. Okay, anti democratic. We're screaming our heads off. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.760 It's so bad. It's jerry mandering, it's anti democracy. Well, 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:36.200 I'm going to read you what Dave Wasserman. Dave Wasserman 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.079 is a just a numbers guy talks about election coverage, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.280 not a partisan and we're going to talk about this 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.920 remaster because okay, so Democrats will get this seat in Utah, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:51.040 that's what the court's saying. Let's go into what Dave 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:56.400 Wasserman says. So in California, because of Governor Knewssom's amazing 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:02.400 special election where he put together an election out of nowhere. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.880 In two months, Democrats have gotten four and a half seats. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:10.520 It's probably gonna be five, Okay. So then we have Missouri, 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.920 GOP has gotten one seat, North Carolina half a seat, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:19.839 Ohio half a seat, Texas four that's what started this 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:25.400 fucking disaster, and Utah one. So at this point, ultimately, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.480 and again we don't know what's going to happen. This 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:30.320 Supreme Court would very much like to do a lot 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.520 of crazy shit that could fuck everything up. So we're 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.400 not gonna say anything yet, but at this moment, it 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:42.960 certainly feels as if this could be a net neutral 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:48.680 that after all of this work, after this insane mid 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:54.040 season redistricting, which is not okay, which is a crack 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.600 on norms and institutions in every which way. In the end, 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.240 in typical Donald Trump fashion, he may not have done 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.200 anything for himself. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.600 Yeah. I think this is the thing that we always 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.280 come back to for solace, which is that while these 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.200 people clearly do have a plan, they're also not the 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.200 most creative and bright at executing it. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.559 Yes, the bad news is they're evil. The good news 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:19.920 is they're stupid. Yeah, Unfortunately our side is due. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.680 Fortunately, fortunately our ideas the wrong people at the top 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.640 of it running the till. Anyway, speaking of the stupid, 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:32.160 Trump claims that tariff's unwinding, if the Supreme Court decides 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.480 to strike them down, would cost three trillion dollars. 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.439 So Trump is starting to really worry about these tariffs. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.280 Tariffs are really fun for him. He loves them. He 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.280 gets to do them, he gets to put them in 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.400 willy nilly, he gets to punish his enemies in reward 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.840 his friends. My man loves a tariff. But now you know, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.839 if you listen to those oral arguments the Supreme Court, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.640 you know, Supreme Court A saw that election where Trump 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:04.600 got she'll ACKed, and b they know that this isn't popular, 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.600 that this is pretty wacky, and that this may ultimately 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.440 actually knock at them where they want to go. And 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.080 so Donald Trump will now do anything to keep the 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:17.079 tariffs going. And so Donald Trump loves a big fake number. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:21.880 His new big fake number is three trillion, three trillion dollars. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:25.400 By the way, unrolling the tariffs as soon as possible 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.800 is probably the best hope we have to avoiding what 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.960 likely will be a big financial catastrophe. It's probably going 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.440 to cost US three trillion to not unwind them, or 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:41.120 maybe zillion, or maybe gajillion, since we're dealing with fake numbers. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:42.199 I like the gajillion. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.120 Joy Reid is the host of the Joy Reid Show. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.600 I can't believe I get to host you. Welcome to 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.400 Fast Politics, Joy Read. It is so good to be 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:54.719 with you. 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.320 Mollie. I miss you, girl. We gotta do this, Kurton, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.120 what's happening? 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.560 I know we need it DC, what we needed DC, 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.680 you know. But we were just talking before and the 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.079 question was like Trump two point zero is proof that 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:11.320 you should never say it can't get worse. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.080 That's correct, Yes, never say that, because then it will 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:14.760 literally get worse. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.200 I mean, this is and I knew it would be bad. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.360 Like we were, like we were on airtime, we were 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.400 doing Hey Project twenty twenty five. 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.440 Guys, it's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:28.480 But you know what I underestimated was the aggressiveness of 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.040 the grift and of the theft and of the destruction. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.880 I mean, even I and I've been a long time 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.680 og anti trumper for a long time from visit my 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.320 whole life, adult life, never did I get, in my 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:48.240 wildest nightmares, literally taking a down a part of the 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.600 White House, like literally just taking the White House apart, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.680 like you know, he might as well put like a 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:55.000 little bomb in it. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.520 Just blew up the East Wing like well he basically did. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.320 I mean, there's no more East Wing. It's gone. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.720 It's gone, I mean, evaporating the East Wing was. It 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:04.320 was not on my worst bucket list, but. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.880 It's I have to say, like I wonder about the 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:13.000 East Wing. Like we've seen times where like because Trump 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.400 is has been so radical, you know, it's the every 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.480 time there's like a wave of white supremacists or of 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.720 like of pushing back of rights right road Leigh you know, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.400 both but in many different aspects of our lives, to 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.800 many different groups, every time there's been a wave of that, 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.000 there's been a certain kind of gaslighting that's gone along 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.520 with that. Yes, and so something like the East Wing. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.160 You're just like, he just tore down part of the 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.160 White House, right, and he'll do more. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:43.640 And I think what we have to do And I 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.240 used to always say with Trump, you have to use 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.240 your lurid imagination, right, you have to think of things 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.160 you could not imagine in your worst nightmares. 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:50.960 He will do them all. 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.040 Because I think what we have to fundamentally understand is 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:57.720 Donald Trump is not an American president, right. I mean, 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.439 there's a there is a certain kind of range of behaviors. 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:05.400 Even of the worst American presidents, Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.520 you know, you know, I would argue Woodrow Wilson was 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:12.600 a horrible, racist, shitty human being, but they all fell 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.079 within a certain range of behaviors. Right When you said 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.960 to Richard Nixon, you are violating the law and you 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:20.320 are going to be impeached, he said, you know what, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.440 let me resign. Right, Like, there was a range of behaviors. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.920 Trump is far outside of those. There is no no 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.960 that you cannot compare him to any previous president because 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.840 they were American presidents. Whatever their other issues and problems 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.840 and faults, they actually fundamentally believed in the United States Constitution. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.360 Trump does not no Eland. Trump doesn't believe in any 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:41.560 of this. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.680 He looks at the Russian system and says, that's better. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:48.840 He looks at the Chinese communist system and says that's 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:53.560 better because she is absolutely treated as a god king. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.640 He looks at like a mabutu. He's like, I want that, Like, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.680 he's not an American president. So I just think we 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:01.720 have to stop trying to frame and I think the 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.760 media makes the mistake of trying to treat him like 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.920 an American president. You just start treating him like guten right, 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.400 like no, that's what he wants to. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.160 Be, right, And I think that's a really good point. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.120 And it gets me to like one of my favorite 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:20.440 hobby horses, which is norms versus laws, right right. So 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:26.000 much of American life, American politics especially, is this idea 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.760 that norms will that you don't need laws for certain things, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.120 like you don't need a law. You can't rip down 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.520 half the White House because it won't happen because norms. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:37.920 Well, here's the thing that's so interesting, and you know, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.280 I have this working theory that one of the reasons 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.320 that we are here is the founders that it is 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.000 in the end, it is their fault because they were 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:50.720 such patrician elites and so out of touch with the 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.680 common man that they built a system designed to never 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.080 be run by the common man. They just presumed that 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.680 all presidents and senators would be patrician men like themselves, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.520 who were of the great families of Europe. You know, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.240 George Washington is literally like, I believe related to you know, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.600 Mad King George, like their family members. So in their minds, 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:18.240 this this system was built to perpetuate that white male 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.760 elite and that no one of the common class would 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.760 ever become a leader in this country. Wouldn't be a senator, 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.920 wouldn't be a congressman, wouldn't be a president. And so 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:28.760 they built a system saying, well, we don't need to 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.480 make these things laws. He gads, these can simply be 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.720 the north George Washington can simply fail to run for 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.040 a third term, and all of the you know, the 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:41.640 people who follow will do the same, And they all 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.560 did until FDR said, yeah, no, I'm gonna stay. I 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.560 think I'm just gonna say, and then he did four terms, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.080 I think we might need a law, and so they 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.480 had to do a law to get him to go. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.560 But he was you know, the consent of the people 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.480 said we wanted him for life, and we got president 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.320 for life and so. But Trump is not even at 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.360 least a FDR. Was still of that same elite class, 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:03.840 but he was just a trader to that class. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.159 I'm willing to be traded. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:10.080 Trump comes of the kind of immigrant that came in 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.240 long after all that shit was created. His family gets 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.600 here in the late nineteenth century that the granddaddy, you know, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.240 the progener is a pimp. He's like, I'm a pimp woman, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:19.600 and try to find. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:20.600 Gold, you know what I mean. 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.880 They come from like a common But his whole thing 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.840 was just from the grandfather, the parents on the dad, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.240 all of them are just about the money grubbing grift 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:36.440 that America and its freedoms provide. They never bought into 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:40.960 the sort of the sort of dreamscape of democracy. They 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.120 just are like, oh, we can get rich here. And 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.959 this is all Trump inherited was the grimy, grubby grift. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.200 That's what his family was about. Escaping Bavarian laws, about 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:58.080 you know, conscription for the draft, raft dodging, grimy real 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.320 estate and Queen's where we're going to keep the lax 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.399 out of our buildings. We're gonna say, we like the Jews, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:04.760 but we kind of hate the Jews. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.719 We're gonna like that he's anti Semitism right too exactly. 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:11.040 So it's like, yeah, they would have been quite at 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:15.120 home in Nazi Germany. These these these drumps, and this 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.360 is what we've got. And so they are norm breakers 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.720 because they don't believe. I think people just presume he's 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.400 breaking the norm. No, he doesn't believe in them. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.760 But there is also this question and this is like 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.359 Trump but this is also I think America right now, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:33.439 which is we have hit a moment where there is 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.479 there is no such thing as too much right, Like 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.960 you have someone like Bezos where right, or you have 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.760 someone like Zackerberg. You know, these people have decided that 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.080 trump Ism will help them get what they want, despite 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.960 the fact that so talk us through how you think, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.000 because that seems like part of this. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.200 It is it's the same thing, right, These are I mean, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.320 and look at all this the PayPal mafia. These are 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:05.080 white South Africans whose people dragged every resource and you know, 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.600 possibility out of South Africa, rinsed it clean and then 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.520 bounce to America to do it here. They took and 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:17.120 stole everything that they could from South Africa, left its 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:22.040 indigenous people with nothing, destroyed their lives, enslaved them. These 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.600 are the you know them and the Africaners, and then 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.159 moved in and said that God said we could do this. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:28.479 We're taking everything. 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.879 We're going to rinse this country clean of its resources, 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.200 leave it empty, dry, a shattered hule, and then we're 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.520 going to come to America and reproduce the same thing. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.359 That's all these people are jeff bezos. These people don't 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.679 they don't care about democracy. They're just there like Trump. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.520 They they you know, they're not doing this at under duress. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.040 This is who they are. Mark Zuckerberg, he literally he 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.560 and the winkle Vasses, the winkle Vai as they call 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:58.080 them at Harvard. Facebook was just a way to rate girls' looks. Yeah, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.119 it wasn't some high mind did idea of creating a 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.600 public square. No, it was to rate women in the 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:05.200 most nasty, misogynous way. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.600 And they took that paper. It wasn't even an original idea. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.080 They used to just take the Facebook and circle girls 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:11.800 that are a ten and girls that are a two. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.600 Then they took and digitized that and created a thing 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.160 that's only purpose is to make this Mark Zuckerberg rich. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.200 The only purpose that Amazon isn't about making the small 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:24.200 family store taking it digital. It's about making him rich. 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.600 This is the new ethos of America. And I hate 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.520 to say it. The founders were like, what we got 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.320 to do to be rich? Oh, we got to enslave 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:34.399 these blacks. Okay, we're gonna kidnap them from where napped. Okay, 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.040 we're gonna take them, put them like kindling, tie them 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.000 up in a bowl, and okay, if that's what we gotta do, 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.520 So we want to give them all of this credit 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.520 for high mindedness. They were just like, no, we're going 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.520 to do slavery to get rich, and we don't want 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.800 to be taxed revolution And so you've bequeathed a nation 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.720 who It's why a lot of our families come here, 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.359 because it's like, oh, this is a place where you 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.840 can prosper financially. This is a country built solely on capital, 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.159 but it's layered over with this sort of false morality 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.320 that says it's Christian, but all it really is is 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.160 just rubby, grimy, greedy, fucking capitalism. So Trump is the 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.760 perfect president. We actually deserve this. This is the president 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.560 America has earned in some ways. I mean, it's the 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.520 president America wants apparently, so heart's desire. 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.080 Yeah, And it's funny because it's like, I feel like 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:24.960 we've been through so much. I was thinking about that 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.919 Psyche gall with the Biden Relax. In my mind, a 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.960 lot of mistakes were made, and you know, you can't 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.960 I don't know that you can necessarily blame one person 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.480 for it. What it feels like. One of the things 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:41.320 that I've been really happy, one of the very few 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.239 things I've been happy about is that Trump. One point, now, 0:21:44.560 --> 0:21:47.639 it was like, if you were a Democratic politician, you 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.520 could say Orange Man bad and you could raise five 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.760 million dollars. Yeah, right, have a best selling book and like, 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.920 and this time that's not true. And ultimately, actually I 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:00.840 think it's better. So, like I'm thinking about Gavin Newsom, 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:05.120 like I have never seen a Democratic politician do something like, oh, yeah, 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.240 they're gonna take five seats. We're gonna fucking take five 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.399 seats and we're gonna do a special election for it. 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:12.879 Have you ever seen that? Because I'm still seeing Chock 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:18.320 be like, we won't go I voted No, it discussed. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:20.239 They don't get it because I think, and again, if 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:25.399 you go back to why eighty million people knowing that 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:29.120 Donald Trump was responsible for a million dead in COVID, 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:32.000 knowing that that happened, why would they choose him? Again, 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.960 if you ask people why they voted for him, I 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:36.560 go right back to my original thesis. 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:39.040 They say, he made me money. I made more money. 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:42.840 Why were they mad about COVID shutdowns? Because we couldn't 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:43.320 make money? 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:43.760 Right? 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.320 Because Americans have been groomed to think that the only real, 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:48.720 true American. 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.160 Value is greed. Greed is good. 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.560 It is the American primary value. All of the religious 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.639 lies and bullshit is just a way to control women, 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:58.080 control blags, and make more money. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:22:58.320 Right. 0:22:58.400 --> 0:22:59.080 So in a. 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:02.640 Money culture, of course, people said, I wasn't making money 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:03.000 with Biden. 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:04.560 I'm making money with Trump. Give me that, right. 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.720 And now they're realizing, oh shit, you're gonna deport me 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.040 and my friends and my family, and the tariffs are 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.440 gonna get they But in their mind, a lot of Trumpers, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.440 a lot of these voters were not like mega cultists. 0:23:14.440 --> 0:23:15.880 Some of them just were like, he's going to get 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:16.680 me money. 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:17.000 You know. 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.360 Even a lot of the Latino voters. People think immigration 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.639 is their number one issue. No, when you pull Latinos, 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:25.000 it's economics, it's financial so because this is the country building. 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.280 But I think what happens with the Democrats, they are 0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:30.919 not that. A lot of Democrats like the Shumers. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:30.920 Of the world. 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.679 They're goo goo good government people. They're the kid who 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:36.000 ran for student council. 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.040 Prevent the nerds. They're nerds, and so. 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.159 In their mind they're like, no, it's about the government, 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.119 and Americans like, nah, man, it's about the coins. I 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:45.640 want Trump And now that it's not working out, what's 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.160 happening is the kind of Democrat who's built for this 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.440 is the kind that understands the culture. The culture right 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:55.040 now is crass, it's memes, it's vibes. 0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:58.640 You gotta be and Gavin gets it. 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.000 Gab is always kind of in ahead of his ahead 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:02.920 of the curve a little bit. 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:04.840 He was on gay marriage, right. 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.879 He just understands the vibes and so he's like, no, 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.399 I'm going to ride this vibe, but I'm going to 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.719 ride it at a time when people are realizing what 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.480 we need now is to ameliorate the greed culture and. 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:19.120 Go to an affordability culture. Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:23.359 Because if you can't make it, if you can't financially survive, 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.560 then greed culture isn't helping you. Right now, I need 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.280 like what mom Donnie is doing, which is survival culture. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:32.440 And he's now we've moved from greed culture to where 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.800 people are kind of disgusted by greed culture. 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:34.959 Because you can. 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.520 If I can't make it, then I'm disgusted by greed culture. 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.800 And he gets it. Now it's survival culture. 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:43.800 And also it's pushing back on cruelty, on the cruelty 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:45.639 culture of Trump and saying, oh, I can give it 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:46.960 right back to you, and that's what people want. 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.720 I don't want Schumer being like. 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:53.600 We did forty days of a holdout furnving. 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:57.199 Let's just gaming this out. Had it been you, what 0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.480 would you have done. You definitely have to shut down 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:02.480 the government. I know it's coming right, but what's your asks? 0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:06.600 First of all, I don't believe Chuck Schumer when he 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.600 pretends that he was against this, because they're either they're 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:12.880 only two choices for Chuck. Either, you are a week 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.280 leader who had no control of your caucus and eight 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:21.080 members went behind your back and changed the policy that 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:25.119 you were leading on without you and then left you 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.840 to vote know for it, which means you shouldn't be leader. 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:33.159 Okay, so that's choice hey. Choice B is you hid behind. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.920 Those eight people because none of them are up for 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.560 reelection next cycle. 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.520 And some of them are retiring and some of them 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.720 are for they are exactly like if you look at 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.359 each one of those eight, each one is in a 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:46.840 unique position to be able to vote yes. 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:51.440 Correct, correct, you know Durban's leaving Jean Shah like there, 0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:55.200 you picked the exact right group of people to tuck 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.960 yourself behind, and which is also you're not a good leader, 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.399 so either way, it's not good. But then the third 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.800 piece of it that to me is the most egregious 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:07.040 is that you let this happen anyway, the shutdown happen anyway, 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:10.000 with no plan to win, no plan to what the 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.359 finish line looked like. So you didn't think through that, 0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:15.080 which means you're not a good leader, and also no 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.959 plan to ameliorate what you knew would be the suffering. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.480 And you're the only political party of the two that 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:24.439 actually cares about the suffering. Republicans, let me be clear, 0:26:24.760 --> 0:26:26.760 they don't care if their own people starve to death 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:28.480 and sy They don't care if their own people have 0:26:28.560 --> 0:26:31.320 no health care and die. They genuinely do not care 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.840 about the life and death of their own citizen, their 0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.200 own constituents, and voted for them, Nor does Trump. None 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.719 of these people care about anyone. The Democrats actually are 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.240 the Google government people who do care. But you're tell 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.000 me you had no plan. So if it was me 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.640 and I'm the leader, I would say, first of all, 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.960 no one goes off my message. If you we're gonna 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:51.760 all do the same thing together. And if you don't, 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.720 good luck with your reelect because you won't get a dime. 0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:56.760 Your reelect won't happen. 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:58.480 All they care about is getting reelected and say I'll 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.760 promise you you will be funded. So I would Nancy 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.320 Pelosi them, you will stick with my plan. 0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:05.320 Okay, so that's number one. 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.800 But next I gotta have a plan. The Democrats said, 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.640 no health care, no vote. That was there. 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.640 That's what they set up as their metric for success, 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:16.000 which they knew was never gonna happen. That was millions 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:19.399 of dollars like it, ye god, they know it was right. 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.560 They knew that these people fundamentally hate Obamacare and The 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.679 whole point is it's a skinny Obamacare repeal, so like 0:27:25.720 --> 0:27:28.359 it is, Yeah, it's a skin and they want health 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.520 care costs to go up, up, up, up, up up 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.600 up right, So you don't have an endgame that you 0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:33.960 know can be successful. 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.879 But what you could have done is you could have 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:37.920 put on the. 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.840 Table a series of things Republicans would have to say 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:41.679 no to in public. 0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:43.240 So if you're gonna, I think no healthcare. 0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:45.920 Novte was smart because they did rally people to say, 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.440 even people who were literally losing their jobs and hungry, 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.399 and they were like, keep fighting, because we can't afford 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:52.600 to let these subsidies go down. 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:53.199 They did. 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.040 They never, though, proposed a series of things that were 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.480 very hard to say no to. You know, you could 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.600 have done things like first of all, they never highlight 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.120 I was highlighting it on my podcast every day. They 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:06.360 were not highlighting the fact that you all made the 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:10.520 tax cuts permanent. The tax cuts were just as temporary 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:12.080 as these subsidies. 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.560 If you could do one, why can't you? 0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.680 Why weren't you saying that every day, Chuck, you made 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:22.080 this one permanent, which costs four trillion dollars. This one 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:23.600 costs less than a trillion. This is only a third 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:25.800 of a trillion, so this one's cheap. So they should 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.800 have But number one, that messaging was poor. They should 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.040 have made that very very clear. They should have made 0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:34.080 the point that the Speaker of the House is literally saying, 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:37.680 no food unless you let me make your health care 0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.280 cost gout right, you starve unless you let me. They 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.400 should have been saying that people on social media were 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:45.000 saying it. They weren't saying it. And then you just 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:48.120 keep ratcheting up the ask. You say, okay, we want 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.760 the healthcare subsidies to be made permanent. You're saying you 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:54.160 don't like them because you don't. The Cato Institute says, 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.960 the subsidies go to the insurance Company's fine. 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.880 Our ask is flip the subsidies making go to the people. 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.000 Can you imagine how powerful the ass would have been 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:04.920 if we say that we the Democrats have said we 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:09.760 ourselves are willing to update Obamacare, and we're able. 0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:11.120 We want to make this change. 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:15.880 The subsidies will go to the people in an account 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:18.560 the people can control. And we want the same amount 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.560 of subsidy. But rather than sending it to United health Care, 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.880 let's send that subsidy to the people. Dare you to 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:27.000 say no to that? Now, the American people have a 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.280 stake in no health care, no vote, because now you're 0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.240 saying money for me, because I remember, we're in an 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:34.680 economy that is about the benjamins. It's about money. And 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.040 now if you say to people, we the Democrats are saying, 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:41.680 you get the ultimate stimmy your money, not in a 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.120 subsidy to your health care company, but a subsidy to 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.960 you make and then say are you gonna vte for that? 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.240 And you keep ratcheting up that ass publicly so that 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:52.560 people know what you're fighting for that is going to 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.760 benefit them personally. And then if they say no to that, 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.120 then you say, okay, you don't want that. What if 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.240 we just do single pair and then explo am to 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.240 people what that is and say why don't we say 0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:02.640 that where. 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.440 Everybody gets you. Now you don't pay nothing. 0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:07.080 To go to the doctor, and can you imagine listen, 0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:12.000 just keep making a public ask. And then if Republicans, 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:13.440 well you know they're going to say no, but then 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.040 you they were already losing the shutdown war. But if 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:21.760 Democrats had been putting out there literally the subsidy people 0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:23.800 don't even know what the subsidy going to. Can you 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:28.080 imagine Republicans having to say no in Missouri to their 0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:30.680 Missouri constituents, white folks coming up to them and say, 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.240 why can't I have this subsidy in my account? 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:39.160 Why can't healthcare? Why can't I have free health care? Why? Why? Why? 0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.640 And I have to say that I think my family. 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.880 The worst moment of the whole thing was Angus King saying, well, 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:51.880 we stood up to Trump and it didn't work. Like what, 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:55.160 First of all, it did work, you fuckingmore. But second 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.360 of all, like my head nearly exploded. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:01.360 At a certain point, it's voter suppression. You had people 0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.480 come out and seven million people came out minimum for 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.760 these No King's Day protests. This is fueled by them 0:31:06.760 --> 0:31:10.320 supporting your position, Democrats. Then you have an election day 0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.440 that was a blue wave wipeout for Republicans, and it's 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:19.880 all the strength of these same issues. And then you're like, yeah, 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:21.440 but that didn't work, Let's go ahead and lose. 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:28.800 Unucking believable read thank you for joining me, thank you, 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.160 thank you, thank you for having me. 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:33.440 Maybe these Democrats will learn one day, or or they 0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.520 go listen to one day. 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.960 Mike Duggan is the mayor of Detroit and a candidate 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.400 for the governorship of the Great State of Michigan. Welcome 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.120 to Fast Politics, Mike. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:45.880 Well, thank you role. 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:50.000 This is a it's not a hyperlocal story, but it's 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.880 a story that you kind of have to be in 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:55.920 politics world or live in the Great State of Michigan 0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.480 to understand. So I would love you to just explain 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.760 a little bit about the job you have recently done 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.600 and then about your race for the governorship of Michigan. 0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:10.360 Well, I am finishing up my third term as the 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.320 mayor of Detroit, and when I got elected, the city 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.120 was in bankruptcy. People will remember when Detroit was the 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:20.000 largest municipal bankruptcy in history. Half the street lights were out, 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.320 the cops didn't show up when you call, the parks 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.719 were closed and overgrown, and we had forty seven thousand 0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:30.240 abandoned houses. But mostly what we had was a politics 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:32.960 that was just device. It was us versus them, black 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:35.360 versus white, city versus Summers. 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.720 And I ran first white candidate in forty years. 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.640 I ran in an eighty three percent African American city 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.680 by going house to house and sitting in people's living 0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:48.320 rooms and saying, you know, the Detroit I grew up 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.360 in was a special place, and we can build a 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:53.240 great city again. And Molly, the building I'm sitting here 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:55.680 talking to you on on the old Hudson side is 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.120 a forty five story building that wasn't here three years ago. 0:32:58.160 --> 0:32:59.960 It's part of the recovery of the city to try 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:00.920 and we're very proud of it. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.560 What was your background before you became mayor of Detroit. 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.000 I ran the Detroit Medical Center, which was the big 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:11.840 hospital system here, eight hospitals, eleven thousand employees. We saw 0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.920 a quarter of the Medicaid patients in the state of Michigan, 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:19.160 and the board had voted to close the big hospitals 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.640 because they were going broke. I had been the elected 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:24.600 prosecutor at the time. The Medical Center board offered me 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:26.880 the job, and I took it on the condition they 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.320 give me six months to turn the hospitals around and 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.040 not close anything. And we upgraded the care. We cut 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.240 the weight times of the emergency room from three hours 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:34.920 to thirty minutes. 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:35.960 People showed up. 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:39.320 We grew from eleven thousand to fourteen thousand employees, and 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.560 so people in the city all had a very strong 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.200 opinion of the job I had done running the major 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.280 hospital system, and but will they give me a chance 0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:48.400 as the mayor city Detroit. 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:51.880 There's so much interesting stuff and everything you've just said, 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:56.920 I wonder ay you decided to run for office. One 0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.800 of the things I see when I talked to people 0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:00.440 is that a lot of very good people, we just 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.080 don't have the stomach for it. So just talk us 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:04.000 through that decision. 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.000 I grew up in Detroit. 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.439 In the course of my lifetime, everything that we knew 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:11.759 was taken away from us. The auto plants moved out, 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.400 the banks moved out, the movie theaters moved out. 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.040 A million of our neighbors moved out. 0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.040 And when I came out of law school, I just 0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:20.839 wanted to do something in the city, and I had 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.080 one job after another until I became the prosecutor. But 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:28.720 if they had closed the hospitals that saw three hundred 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.880 thousand patients a year in the emergency rooms, the city 0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.080 would have been devastated. So I literally quit the prosecutor's 0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.920 job midterm, and I went in and I was actually 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.160 criticized some of the papers saying I wasn't qualified because 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.560 I hadn't done healthcare and the chairman of the board said, well, 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.360 we just had a doctor and he lost one hundred 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.000 million dollars a year for five years. We're going to 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.960 try somebody from outside. And I just said, why are 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.160 people sitting on plastic chairs in the waiting room for 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:54.960 three hours at a time. You guys want to keep 0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.799 blaming Federal government doesn't pays us enough. State government doesn't 0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:58.439 pay us enough. 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.719 How about we upgrade the state edited a care. 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:04.120 I tore a part the entire process and kicked off 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.520 the thirty minute guarantee. If we didn't see you in 0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.120 thirty minutes or less, we gave you two tickets to 0:35:09.160 --> 0:35:11.520 a Tiger gate. Now that was two thousand and four 0:35:11.520 --> 0:35:13.640 in the Detroit Tiger's lost one hundred and four games 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.680 that year, so the team was willing give be a 0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.160 really good deal on those seats. 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.319 But people just poured back in. 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.000 And I had this idea that a lower income people 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.080 in Detroit deserved exactly the same standard of care as 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:28.680 the wealthier people of the suburbs. And when you deliver care, 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.960 it's amazing how profitable your hospital is. 0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.960 I feel the way you feel about Detroit about New 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.880 York City. Now New York city is much less shitty 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.440 than it was when I grew up here, So I'm 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.120 very you know, it's different. We've watched it go the 0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.720 other way, but I certainly understand loving the place you're from. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:49.279 Detroit was really a city in trouble. Is Michigan a 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:52.640 state in trouble? And what is your plan for the state. 0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:55.040 As everybody knows, Michigan is a purple state. 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.880 From your national perspective, that means it's in play for 0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.680 the presidential If you live here, the implication is much worse. 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:06.280 Every two to four years, the State House, the state Senate, 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:10.759 the governorship, they flip back and forth between Republicans and Democrats. 0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.800 And the last few times, two of the three thousand 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:18.000 votes statewide decided who whether the Republicans or Democrats, were 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.239 in charge of the legislature. 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:24.280 And what has happened is they are so close that 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:28.120 that the Republics and Democrats have become completely obsessed with 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.760 am I in the majority? Do I get the majority? 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.920 And now the last state report, more than sixty percent 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.279 of third graders in the state of Michigan do not 0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:37.080 read a great level. 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.200 It's just that's not Detroit, that's the whole state. Of Michigan. 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:42.839 We're near the bottom of the country, and every two 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.680 years is the Republicans and Democrats take control. They changed 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:49.520 the curriculum, they changed the measurement on the schools, they 0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.440 changed the requirements of the teachers, and these teachers and 0:36:52.480 --> 0:36:56.399 principles have literally had five changes in how schools are 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.560 measured in twelve years, and they wonder why our. 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:00.520 Teachers can teach. 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.200 And so I looked at this and said, I could 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.160 get elected governor as a Democrat and all the Republicans 0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:07.600 would be against me because they tried. 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:08.880 To be of the legislative races. 0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.200 And in two years, even if the Democrats won, the 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.440 Republicans win the next time, and I wouldn't be able 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.160 to get anything done. So I thought, maybe we need 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:16.280 a different kind of politics. 0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:22.760 And you have so far really knocked the race into 0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:27.040 something totally different. So I am very curious to know 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.200 a little bit about how you did that, because the 0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.680 Democrats had a candidate they picked, and the Republicans have 0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:36.439 that poor guy they keep running. So tell us sort 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.800 of how you got into this race and probably didn't 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:40.239 everybody tell you not to do it. 0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.840 I tell you, the people who live here are tired 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.200 of it. And you know, I watched Rick Snyder, who 0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:48.520 was a Republican governor for eight years, and he did 0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.279 a lot of things I didn't agree with. But when 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:55.080 the Democrats got a trifecta on the Democratic side literally 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.600 in two years, they reversed everything that he had done 0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.719 in eight years. And then we got a Republican House, 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.880 they ready started to reverse what the Democrats have done. 0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.000 And if you live here, you say, this is crazy. 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.120 We don't have an economic development strategy to attract businesses 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:12.360 that ever last more than two years. 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:16.040 So I write, what if I do this? What if 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:17.160 I run as an independent? 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.160 I'm not going to get engaged in the Senate races 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:22.319 of the House races. It's just like I did in 0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.360 the city of Detroit when I put the black versus 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.600 white politics behind us in twelve straight years, I got 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:32.000 city council to work together for Detroit's recovery. What would 0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.319 happen if I worked with the people from the two 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:38.000 parties and pass things on a bipartisan basis. So every 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:41.040 election isn't the most important election in history because we 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:44.960 actually agree on things. There's nothing about teaching third graders 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:45.480 to read. 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:47.400 You need to teach them filects. You need to have 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:49.840 them in small groups. You need to have tutors for 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:51.640 the kids who are falling behind. You need to have 0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:54.680 the same curriculum for five straight years and not change it. 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:58.480 There's nothing about that that's Republican or Democratic, but Republicans 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.200 and Democrats use the school rules basically as political weapons 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.760 right now, the way the parties are using the SNAP 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.000 program nationally as a political weapon. 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.000 I said, what if I just try this? And the 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.760 response has been unbelievable. And I started out way behind, 0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:15.880 and in May they did a poll that I was 0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:18.920 within fourteen points to the top candidate. And then the 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.840 last poll that came out, Jocelyn Benson, the Democratic likely nominee, 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.880 is at thirty. John James, the Republican likely nominee, is 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.920 at twenty nine, and I'm at twenty six. And the 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.960 interesting thing is half of my supports coming from Democrats 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:35.160 and half my supports coming from Republicans. And basically it's 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.640 just people who are saying, you're not solving our problems. 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.160 We spend all your time final with each other. 0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:42.920 That is wild. And what do you think of yourself as? 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:43.520 Oh? 0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.200 I think of myself as a problem solver, and so 0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.880 as mayor Detroit, it is hard to describe. Imagine a 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.240 city sliding into bankruptcy for years. 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:55.480 How do you get re elected in that situation? You 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:56.600 know how you get reelected. 0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.400 You are the best person in blaming somebody else for 0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:02.120 the problems. You don't have accomplishments to run on. And 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.000 I came in and said, this is going to stop. 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:07.400 I'm not blaming anybody. The black versus white city versus 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.080 suburbs stuff is going to stop. If you vote for me, 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.839 We're going to build a city that's opened everybody. And 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.440 I got re elected the second time with seventy two percent, 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.000 and the third time was seventy five percent. And last 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.880 night the city council president, who was my partner, just 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.760 got elected to succeed me with seventy seven percent. 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:24.640 Mary Sheffield. 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:30.360 This city is coming back dramatically because we have gotten 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.919 the US versus Them politics behind us and people here 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.160 in southeastern Michigan. You don't have to explain to anybody. Come 0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.799 downtown and you see the crowds on nights and weekends. 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.320 It's unbelievable what we have. We got ten billion dollars 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.560 in investment going into the city today auto plants and 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:50.320 new hospitals and new distribution centers and new tech companies, 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.239 and so people in southeastern Michigan get it. When I 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:55.560 go to the outstate areas that are in the Detroit 0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:59.160 media market, I'm having to introduce myself to largely rural 0:40:59.280 --> 0:41:02.120 Republican fall folks who say, what does the marriage Detroit 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:04.960 know about our problems? And it's been a fascinating process, 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.200 and I'm making some traction. 0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:09.800 I completely get that, you know, as someone who comes 0:41:09.800 --> 0:41:11.879 from my political world that I think of myself as 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:15.000 a seventy percent in the middle married to a venture capitalist. 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.480 So I'm hardly, you know, from some kind of wild 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.560 lefty stock, though my grandfather was a communist. But you 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.600 have a state where you have like the Michigan Militia, right, 0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.000 you have a group of people who tried to kidnap 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:30.919 the governor. So as much as like I want desperately 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.600 to solve problems, you're going to hit some partisanship. 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.280 And if you saw what happened in the city every 0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.120 time we do a development project. We brought a Jeep 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.759 plant here with five thousand employees, and Jeep promised and 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:46.719 lived up to the commitment that every single hire would 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.440 be from the city of Detroit. Even with that, I 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.480 had protests on the far left about the fact that 0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:56.080 we were giving tax breaks to what was then Fiat Chrysler. 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:58.440 But I had the United Auto Workers with me, I 0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.440 had the construction trades with me, and I had the 0:42:00.480 --> 0:42:03.400 people of city Detroite those who were protesting on the 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.480 far left. We listened respectfully, came to the meetings, but 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.080 they didn't represent the majority Detroit, and we approved it quickly. 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:10.920 It's the same thing. 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.480 The Michigan militia is not going to support me, and 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.440 the far left isn't going to support me, and I 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.800 don't worry about that. There are Americans. They are entitled 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:20.480 to their perspective. But I'm talking to the person of 0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:22.800 the middle who wants their kid to be able to 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:24.560 have a job in Michigan not have to move out 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:27.040 of state. And the great majority of those people are saying, 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:29.080 where's the economic opportunity for us? 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.040 I look at what Mike did in Detroit and all 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:32.960 those jobs that came back to the city. What would 0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.480 it be like if they came back to the state. 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:36.840 So what will it look like for you now to 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.920 campaign and you have a year. What does Michigan look like? 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:42.720 How do you campaign in Michigan? Every place is different. 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:43.680 Talk us through it. 0:42:43.840 --> 0:42:46.239 January one, I will no longer be the mayor and 0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:47.880 that will free up a lot of my time. So 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.799 you could imagine the last twenty four hours I've been 0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:54.239 consumed with dealing with the snap crisis. Residents have had 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.120 their food benefits shut off, and this nonsense going on 0:42:57.160 --> 0:43:00.399 between the Republicans and Democrats in Washington doesn't like it's 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.799 going to be solved anytime soon. So the last week 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:06.200 we set up eighty five emergency food distribution site. I 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:08.840 turned to Detroiters on social media and I said, we 0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.960 need volunteers to staff them. A thousand Detroiters volunteered, and 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.480 I spent the whole morning out at one of these sites. 0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:19.200 But it's heartbreaking to see these blocks of cars. We 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.600 got cars lined up three blocks deep to get food 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.319 for their family because this week they should have had 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:27.719 their monthly check to buy the food for the week. 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:29.640 This is the kind of stuff I haven't spend way 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.960 too much time on. But that's my job for the 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.520 next eight weeks. But between that, I've been going up 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:37.359 to farms I've been going up to small towns and 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:42.000 it is absolutely fascinating to sit with folks who say, 0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:44.439 to me, what does the mayor Detroit know about us? 0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:47.640 We've been ignored, We've been forgotten. Nobody cares about us. 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.000 I said, let me tell you about talking representing people 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.360 who have been ignored and forgotten. Come to some of 0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:56.200 our neighborhoods where I had families on a block with 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.920 four abandoned houses, no park, no street lights. Cops didn't show, 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.400 I didn't complain about it. We solve the problems. Let's 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.359 talk about your problems. And it's amazing these folks these 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.680 rural areas. Their shoulders relax and they think, maybe I've 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.000 got more in common with Detroiters than I ever would 0:44:12.040 --> 0:44:14.439 have thought. And then we start talking and I see 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:17.520 the same kind of dynamic when I first ran from Ara, 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.880 going from a house to house in the city, saying 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:21.880 we do have more in common, and I think I 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.319 can actually build a bipartisan coalition to win this thing. 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:28.280 And of all people on food, salm to our children. 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:29.640 It is ridiculous. 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.200 And the notion that they are all poor and black 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.280 in the inner city is absolutely not true. 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.799 It's like significantly more white people on it than And. 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:39.840 It's really interesting as I can go into some of 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:42.239 the rural areas, there are a lot of areas where 0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:45.319 they are starting to get disenchanted with Donald Trump. We've 0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.680 got a lot of soybean farmers here who lost their 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:50.880 exports to China. We've got autoworkers who are starting to 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.680 lose jobs over the Canadian tariffs. But when you talk 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.719 to them, they're not turning to Democrats. It don't see 0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.719 the Democrats is their solution. And the question they get 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:02.560 is we voted for Democrats, we did badly. We voted 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.080 for Republicans and we do badly. And right now there's 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.760 so much fighting with each other. Is there another choice? 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:10.040 And I'm just going to see whether people I will 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:11.080 try a different path. 0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.840 Yeah, I'm sure you know about this that in rural 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.680 areas there's a democratic penalty if you have a D 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:20.120 next to your name, which is something we saw Dan 0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:23.640 Osborne and Nebraska run on. We're probably going to see 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:24.040 more of that. 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.680 So Molly, I went up to a small town called Lexington. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:29.640 Here thousand people in a town one hundred showed up 0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:31.799 at a bar to see me on a Tuesday night, 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.279 which I was like, I can't, I can't believe this, 0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:37.439 And the grocer across the street took a special sign 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:40.800 down for the week and said, welcome to Lexington, Mike Duggan. 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.799 And after we started talking thirty forty minutes and they 0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.800 got relaxed and laughing and comfortable. I said to him, 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:49.200 how many of you would have shown up here tonight 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:51.360 if I were running for governor as a Democrat? And 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.239 about a third of the hands of the room went up, 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.120 and then they looked at each other they started to laugh. 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:58.120 But these are their friends and neighbors in a small town. 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.759 But it's what you say, if you put a D 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.840 in front of your name, there's a whole chunk of 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:06.319 the country that won't even listen to you. And the 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:07.839 same is true if you put an R in front 0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:09.279 of your name, as a chunk of the country that 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:12.480 won't listen either. What I'm finding is, I'm running is 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.600 an independent and I'm not saying they're there yet. 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:18.239 But boy, are they interested in having a third choice? 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:18.680 Right. 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:22.520 I understand you know a lot of the hospital administrator stuff. 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.439 I understand how you maybe fix the city, you get 0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:30.279 people to build factories, but it's a lot of organization, 0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.520 it's a lot of detail work, it's a lot of 0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:38.319 putting what works best first. But I just wonder, is 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.640 there some other secret sauce I'm missing here? 0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.160 So the secret sauce you're missing is this. 0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:47.919 Every Democratic candidate right now has their talking points off 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:49.560 of their polsters. 0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.320 And it says costs are rising too fast. 0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:56.160 I will bring them down. Donald Trump is bad for you. 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.360 I will fight him, and I will be on the 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.959 side to teach. But you look at their life. They've 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.480 never done a thing on any of those issues. And 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.560 what people here see is that when I ran for 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.239 mayor and set in living rooms in an eighty three 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.960 percent black city and said I believe I can change 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:16.000 politics a we could get investment. We did land ten 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.720 new auto plants and cut the unemployment rate from twenty 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.839 percent down to eight percent. We cut the homicide rate 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:24.160 more than a half by both putting cops on the 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:28.320 street but running great prevention programs. We rebuilt the riverfront 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.200 to the point where it is spectacular. The crowds downtown 0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.279 Detroit are huge on nights and weekends. So what I 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.839 have going for me is while the other people are 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:40.440 repeating what's on their pollsters talking points here, they look 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.440 and they say, Mike actually did it. And that's really 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.000 the reason I am almost in a dead heat is 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:47.680 because I have something to the other two don't have. 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:49.520 I actually have a track record of accomplishment. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:51.560 Mike, it was great to talk to you. I hope 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:56.080 you'll come back as you keep going, maybe February and March. 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.000 Check in with us, tell us how it's going, okay. 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:02.520 Would love to and thanks for Mally. 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:07.959 No moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly jun Fast. 0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:12.000 Would you be shocked if I told you that Jesselen 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.000 Maxwell sitting down in a country club prisoner is being 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:18.480 waited on hand and foot for some reason. I just 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:25.040 can't figure out what it could be. Any ideas, no, no, what. Well, 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:29.520 Jamie Raskin has this whistleblower who says that's what's going on. 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:34.560 I am shocked to hear that the Trump administration is 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:41.440 protecting the partner of Jeffrey Epstein. But why it is 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:45.680 a mystery, and certainly not that Donald Trump is implicated 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:48.759 and Ebstein files because that would be breezy and no 0:48:48.920 --> 0:48:49.360 one's that. 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:52.239 Are you saying the pedophile cabala As call is coming 0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:53.560 from inside the house. 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:56.520 Not I. I am not saying that. I am absolutely 0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.000 not saying that. I would not say something like that. 0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:02.080 Neither would I, especially since I like not being sued. 0:49:03.040 --> 0:49:07.399 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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