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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Congressman Rocanna says that the Democratic

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Speaker 1: leadership is out of touch. We have such a great

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Speaker 1: show for you today, the Joyread Shows. Joy Read drops

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Speaker 1: by to talk to us about what Democrats need to

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Speaker 1: do next, how they can recapture enthusiasm, and how we

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Speaker 1: talk to Detroit mayor and goubernatorial candidate Mike Duggan about

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Speaker 1: his run in the Great State of Michigan. But first

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Speaker 1: the news. II.

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Speaker 2: I haven't read the internet and seen more of a

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Speaker 2: time where the Democrats have been more mad inside their

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer's reign as the leader of the Senate Deems.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we're going to not even do news.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about what I saw on the

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Speaker 1: ground in my experience over the last three days. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is like literally the people I talk to. This

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Speaker 1: to me. I heard from somebody very smart who I

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Speaker 1: I was told by Leadership's office that Schumer was going

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Speaker 1: to vote.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. If you vote now, it means either

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Speaker 1: this is so important. If you look at who voted

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Speaker 1: to reopen the government in this Senate group, everyone who

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Speaker 2: Now many which is twenty thirty right.

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Speaker 1: Or are retiring. What does that say? Do you really

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Speaker 1: believe that every person who wanted to reopen the government

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Speaker 1: had these very neat re election schedules. Do you believe that.

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Speaker 1: If you believe that, then you are stupid. What happened

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Speaker 1: why would you do this? Why would you go for

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Speaker 1: a shutdown then decide to reopen the government right after

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Speaker 1: Democrats had a huge win. Why why why why? And

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Speaker 1: I think the answer is I think that leadership got scared.

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Speaker 1: I think they were worried that Republicans would never reopen

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Speaker 1: the government. But fear is not a place to operate from.

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Speaker 1: And Democrats need to have a leader who is more

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Speaker 1: to shut down the government, you have to expect that

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Speaker 1: Democrats are going to have to take a lot of pain. Right.

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Speaker 1: A government shutdown is a pain tolerance threshold exercise, and

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Speaker 1: on affordability while everybody's healthcare is about to get way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's looking very bad for my own family. And

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Speaker 1: And then here's the thing. There is no more time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Like there were four years of Americans being like, well,

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Speaker 1: Senator Schumer has failed to meet the moment. He is

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Speaker 1: Here's what they have in common. They're savvy. We talk

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Speaker 1: You know, there's been like is she a good person? No,

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Speaker 1: none of these people are good people. They are opportunists.

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Speaker 1: But they see an opportunity, right, Like that's the thing,

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Speaker 2: We have other fish to fry, though, probably a lobster,

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Speaker 2: because we're going to talk about Maine because the Senator

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Speaker 2: Angus King did some of the worst messaging I've ever

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Maine. The other main senator is a Republican. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so nobody is saying like Angus King has to go,

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Speaker 1: because we understand Angus King is very much a product

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Speaker 1: He says, to stop talking me. He's an independent who

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Speaker 2: But Malli, there is some good news for Democrats since

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Speaker 2: last week's election. I'm going to turn to Utah, where

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Speaker 2: a decision has really really helped out. Demon's when it

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Speaker 2: comes to Jerry Rare sentence.

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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump, you may know him as many things.

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Speaker 2: Let's stick the fifth on what we're gonna call him.

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Speaker 1: Right, he went to Texas. You went to the MAGA

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Speaker 1: Republicans in Texas, he said, get me five seats. The

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Speaker 1: It's so bad. It's jerry mandering, it's anti democracy. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read you what Dave Wasserman. Dave Wasserman

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Speaker 1: remaster because okay, so Democrats will get this seat in Utah,

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Speaker 1: In two months, Democrats have gotten four and a half seats.

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Speaker 1: and again we don't know what's going to happen. This

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Speaker 1: certainly feels as if this could be a net neutral

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Speaker 1: that after all of this work, after this insane mid

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Speaker 1: on norms and institutions in every which way. In the end,

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Speaker 1: in typical Donald Trump fashion, he may not have done

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is the thing that we always

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Speaker 1: Yes, the bad news is they're evil. The good news

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Speaker 1: is they're stupid. Yeah, Unfortunately our side is due.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, fortunately our ideas the wrong people at the top

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Speaker 2: of it running the till. Anyway, speaking of the stupid,

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Speaker 2: Trump claims that tariff's unwinding, if the Supreme Court decides

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Speaker 2: to strike them down, would cost three trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: So Trump is starting to really worry about these tariffs.

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Speaker 1: tariffs going. And so Donald Trump loves a big fake number.

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Speaker 1: His new big fake number is three trillion, three trillion dollars.

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Speaker 1: By the way, unrolling the tariffs as soon as possible

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Speaker 1: to cost US three trillion to not unwind them, or

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Speaker 1: maybe zillion, or maybe gajillion, since we're dealing with fake numbers.

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Speaker 2: I like the gajillion.

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Speaker 1: Joy Reid is the host of the Joy Reid Show.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I get to host you. Welcome to

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Speaker 4: Mollie. I miss you, girl. We gotta do this, Kurton,

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Speaker 4: what's happening?

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Speaker 1: I know we need it DC, what we needed DC,

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Speaker 1: you know. But we were just talking before and the

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Speaker 1: question was like Trump two point zero is proof that

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Speaker 1: you should never say it can't get worse.

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Speaker 4: That's correct, Yes, never say that, because then it will

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Speaker 4: literally get worse.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is and I knew it would be bad.

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Speaker 4: Like we were, like we were on airtime, we were

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Speaker 1: Guys, it's gonna be bad. It's gonna be bad.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I underestimated was the aggressiveness of

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Speaker 4: Why were they mad about COVID shutdowns? Because we couldn't

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Speaker 4: Because Americans have been groomed to think that the only real,

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Speaker 4: It is the American primary value. All of the religious

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Speaker 4: And now they're realizing, oh shit, you're gonna deport me

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Speaker 4: is their number one issue. No, when you pull Latinos,

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Speaker 4: it's economics, it's financial so because this is the country building.

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Speaker 4: But I think what happens with the Democrats, they are

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Speaker 4: not that. A lot of Democrats like the Shumers.

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Speaker 1: Of the world.

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Speaker 4: They're goo goo good government people. They're the kid who

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Speaker 4: ran for student council.

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Speaker 1: Prevent the nerds. They're nerds, and so.

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Speaker 4: In their mind they're like, no, it's about the government,

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Speaker 4: and Americans like, nah, man, it's about the coins. I

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Speaker 4: want Trump And now that it's not working out, what's

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Speaker 4: happening is the kind of Democrat who's built for this

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Speaker 4: is the kind that understands the culture. The culture right

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Speaker 4: now is crass, it's memes, it's vibes.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be and Gavin gets it.

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Speaker 4: Gab is always kind of in ahead of his ahead

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Speaker 4: of the curve a little bit.

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Speaker 1: He was on gay marriage, right.

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Speaker 4: He just understands the vibes and so he's like, no,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ride this vibe, but I'm going to

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Speaker 4: ride it at a time when people are realizing what

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Speaker 4: we need now is to ameliorate the greed culture and.

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Speaker 1: Go to an affordability culture. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Because if you can't make it, if you can't financially survive,

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Speaker 4: then greed culture isn't helping you. Right now, I need

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Speaker 4: like what mom Donnie is doing, which is survival culture.

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Speaker 4: And he's now we've moved from greed culture to where

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Speaker 4: people are kind of disgusted by greed culture.

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Speaker 1: Because you can.

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Speaker 4: If I can't make it, then I'm disgusted by greed culture.

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Speaker 1: And he gets it. Now it's survival culture.

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Speaker 4: And also it's pushing back on cruelty, on the cruelty

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Speaker 4: culture of Trump and saying, oh, I can give it

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Speaker 4: right back to you, and that's what people want.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Schumer being like.

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Speaker 4: We did forty days of a holdout furnving.

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Speaker 1: Let's just gaming this out. Had it been you, what

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Speaker 1: would you have done. You definitely have to shut down

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Speaker 1: the government. I know it's coming right, but what's your asks?

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Speaker 4: First of all, I don't believe Chuck Schumer when he

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Speaker 4: pretends that he was against this, because they're either they're

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Speaker 4: only two choices for Chuck. Either, you are a week

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Speaker 4: leader who had no control of your caucus and eight

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Speaker 4: members went behind your back and changed the policy that

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Speaker 4: you were leading on without you and then left you

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Speaker 4: to vote know for it, which means you shouldn't be leader.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's choice hey. Choice B is you hid behind.

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Speaker 4: Those eight people because none of them are up for

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Speaker 4: reelection next cycle.

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Speaker 1: And some of them are retiring and some of them

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Speaker 1: are for they are exactly like if you look at

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Speaker 1: each one of those eight, each one is in a

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Speaker 1: unique position to be able to vote yes.

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Speaker 4: Correct, correct, you know Durban's leaving Jean Shah like there,

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Speaker 4: you picked the exact right group of people to tuck

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Speaker 4: yourself behind, and which is also you're not a good leader,

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Speaker 4: so either way, it's not good. But then the third

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Speaker 4: piece of it that to me is the most egregious

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Speaker 4: is that you let this happen anyway, the shutdown happen anyway,

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Speaker 4: with no plan to win, no plan to what the

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Speaker 4: finish line looked like. So you didn't think through that,

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Speaker 4: which means you're not a good leader, and also no

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Speaker 4: plan to ameliorate what you knew would be the suffering.

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Speaker 4: And you're the only political party of the two that

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Speaker 4: actually cares about the suffering. Republicans, let me be clear,

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Speaker 4: they don't care if their own people starve to death

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Speaker 4: and sy They don't care if their own people have

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Speaker 4: no health care and die. They genuinely do not care

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Speaker 4: about the life and death of their own citizen, their

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Speaker 4: own constituents, and voted for them, Nor does Trump. None

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Speaker 4: of these people care about anyone. The Democrats actually are

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Speaker 4: the Google government people who do care. But you're tell

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Speaker 4: me you had no plan. So if it was me

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Speaker 4: and I'm the leader, I would say, first of all,

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Speaker 4: no one goes off my message. If you we're gonna

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Speaker 4: all do the same thing together. And if you don't,

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Speaker 4: good luck with your reelect because you won't get a dime.

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Speaker 1: Your reelect won't happen.

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Speaker 4: All they care about is getting reelected and say I'll

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Speaker 4: promise you you will be funded. So I would Nancy

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Speaker 4: Pelosi them, you will stick with my plan.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's number one.

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Speaker 4: But next I gotta have a plan. The Democrats said,

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Speaker 4: no health care, no vote. That was there.

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Speaker 1: That's what they set up as their metric for success,

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Speaker 1: which they knew was never gonna happen. That was millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars like it, ye god, they know it was right.

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Speaker 4: They knew that these people fundamentally hate Obamacare and The

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Speaker 4: whole point is it's a skinny Obamacare repeal, so like

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Speaker 4: it is, Yeah, it's a skin and they want health

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Speaker 4: care costs to go up, up, up, up, up up

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Speaker 4: up right, So you don't have an endgame that you

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Speaker 4: know can be successful.

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Speaker 1: But what you could have done is you could have

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Speaker 1: put on the.

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Speaker 4: Table a series of things Republicans would have to say

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Speaker 4: no to in public.

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Speaker 1: So if you're gonna, I think no healthcare.

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Speaker 4: Novte was smart because they did rally people to say,

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Speaker 4: even people who were literally losing their jobs and hungry,

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Speaker 4: and they were like, keep fighting, because we can't afford

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Speaker 4: to let these subsidies go down.

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Speaker 3: They did.

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Speaker 4: They never, though, proposed a series of things that were

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Speaker 4: very hard to say no to. You know, you could

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Speaker 4: have done things like first of all, they never highlight

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Speaker 4: I was highlighting it on my podcast every day. They

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Speaker 4: were not highlighting the fact that you all made the

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Speaker 4: tax cuts permanent. The tax cuts were just as temporary

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Speaker 4: as these subsidies.

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Speaker 1: If you could do one, why can't you?

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Speaker 4: Why weren't you saying that every day, Chuck, you made

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Speaker 4: this one permanent, which costs four trillion dollars. This one

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Speaker 4: costs less than a trillion. This is only a third

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Speaker 4: of a trillion, so this one's cheap. So they should

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Speaker 4: have But number one, that messaging was poor. They should

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Speaker 4: have made that very very clear. They should have made

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Speaker 4: the point that the Speaker of the House is literally saying,

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Speaker 4: no food unless you let me make your health care

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Speaker 4: cost gout right, you starve unless you let me. They

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Speaker 4: should have been saying that people on social media were

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Speaker 4: saying it. They weren't saying it. And then you just

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Speaker 4: keep ratcheting up the ask. You say, okay, we want

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Speaker 4: the healthcare subsidies to be made permanent. You're saying you

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Speaker 4: don't like them because you don't. The Cato Institute says,

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Speaker 4: the subsidies go to the insurance Company's fine.

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Speaker 1: Our ask is flip the subsidies making go to the people.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine how powerful the ass would have been

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Speaker 4: if we say that we the Democrats have said we

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Speaker 4: ourselves are willing to update Obamacare, and we're able.

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Speaker 1: We want to make this change.

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Speaker 4: The subsidies will go to the people in an account

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Speaker 4: the people can control. And we want the same amount

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Speaker 4: of subsidy. But rather than sending it to United health Care,

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Speaker 4: let's send that subsidy to the people. Dare you to

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Speaker 4: say no to that? Now, the American people have a

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Speaker 4: stake in no health care, no vote, because now you're

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Speaker 4: saying money for me, because I remember, we're in an

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Speaker 4: economy that is about the benjamins. It's about money. And

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Speaker 4: now if you say to people, we the Democrats are saying,

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Speaker 4: you get the ultimate stimmy your money, not in a

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Speaker 4: subsidy to your health care company, but a subsidy to

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Speaker 4: you make and then say are you gonna vte for that?

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Speaker 4: And you keep ratcheting up that ass publicly so that

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Speaker 4: people know what you're fighting for that is going to

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Speaker 4: benefit them personally. And then if they say no to that,

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Speaker 4: then you say, okay, you don't want that. What if

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Speaker 4: we just do single pair and then explo am to

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Speaker 4: people what that is and say why don't we say

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Speaker 4: that where.

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Speaker 1: Everybody gets you. Now you don't pay nothing.

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Speaker 4: To go to the doctor, and can you imagine listen,

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Speaker 4: just keep making a public ask. And then if Republicans,

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Speaker 4: well you know they're going to say no, but then

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Speaker 4: you they were already losing the shutdown war. But if

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Speaker 4: Democrats had been putting out there literally the subsidy people

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Speaker 4: don't even know what the subsidy going to. Can you

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Speaker 4: imagine Republicans having to say no in Missouri to their

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Speaker 4: Missouri constituents, white folks coming up to them and say,

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Speaker 4: why can't I have this subsidy in my account?

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Speaker 1: Why can't healthcare? Why can't I have free health care? Why? Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: And I have to say that I think my family.

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Speaker 1: The worst moment of the whole thing was Angus King saying, well,

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Speaker 1: we stood up to Trump and it didn't work. Like what,

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Speaker 1: First of all, it did work, you fuckingmore. But second

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Speaker 1: of all, like my head nearly exploded.

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Speaker 4: At a certain point, it's voter suppression. You had people

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Speaker 4: come out and seven million people came out minimum for

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Speaker 4: these No King's Day protests. This is fueled by them

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Speaker 4: supporting your position, Democrats. Then you have an election day

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Speaker 4: that was a blue wave wipeout for Republicans, and it's

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Speaker 4: all the strength of these same issues. And then you're like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but that didn't work, Let's go ahead and lose.

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Speaker 1: Unucking believable read thank you for joining me, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Maybe these Democrats will learn one day, or or they

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Speaker 4: go listen to one day.

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Speaker 1: Mike Duggan is the mayor of Detroit and a candidate

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Speaker 1: for the governorship of the Great State of Michigan. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Mike.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you role.

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Speaker 1: This is a it's not a hyperlocal story, but it's

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Speaker 1: a story that you kind of have to be in

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Speaker 1: politics world or live in the Great State of Michigan

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Speaker 1: to understand. So I would love you to just explain

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the job you have recently done

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Speaker 1: and then about your race for the governorship of Michigan.

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Speaker 5: Well, I am finishing up my third term as the

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Speaker 5: mayor of Detroit, and when I got elected, the city

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Speaker 5: was in bankruptcy. People will remember when Detroit was the

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Speaker 5: largest municipal bankruptcy in history. Half the street lights were out,

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Speaker 5: the cops didn't show up when you call, the parks

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Speaker 5: were closed and overgrown, and we had forty seven thousand

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Speaker 5: abandoned houses. But mostly what we had was a politics

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Speaker 5: that was just device. It was us versus them, black

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Speaker 5: versus white, city versus Summers.

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Speaker 3: And I ran first white candidate in forty years.

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Speaker 5: I ran in an eighty three percent African American city

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Speaker 5: by going house to house and sitting in people's living

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Speaker 5: rooms and saying, you know, the Detroit I grew up

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Speaker 5: in was a special place, and we can build a

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Speaker 5: great city again. And Molly, the building I'm sitting here

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Speaker 5: talking to you on on the old Hudson side is

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Speaker 5: a forty five story building that wasn't here three years ago.

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Speaker 3: It's part of the recovery of the city to try

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Speaker 3: and we're very proud of it.

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Speaker 1: What was your background before you became mayor of Detroit.

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Speaker 5: I ran the Detroit Medical Center, which was the big

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Speaker 5: hospital system here, eight hospitals, eleven thousand employees. We saw

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Speaker 5: a quarter of the Medicaid patients in the state of Michigan,

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Speaker 5: and the board had voted to close the big hospitals

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Speaker 5: because they were going broke. I had been the elected

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Speaker 5: prosecutor at the time. The Medical Center board offered me

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Speaker 5: the job, and I took it on the condition they

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Speaker 5: give me six months to turn the hospitals around and

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Speaker 5: not close anything. And we upgraded the care. We cut

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Speaker 5: the weight times of the emergency room from three hours

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Speaker 5: to thirty minutes.

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Speaker 3: People showed up.

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Speaker 5: We grew from eleven thousand to fourteen thousand employees, and

651
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Speaker 5: so people in the city all had a very strong

652
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Speaker 5: opinion of the job I had done running the major

653
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Speaker 5: hospital system, and but will they give me a chance

654
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Speaker 5: as the mayor city Detroit.

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Speaker 1: There's so much interesting stuff and everything you've just said,

656
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Speaker 1: I wonder ay you decided to run for office. One

657
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Speaker 1: of the things I see when I talked to people

658
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Speaker 1: is that a lot of very good people, we just

659
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: don't have the stomach for it. So just talk us

660
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Speaker 1: through that decision.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in Detroit.

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Speaker 5: In the course of my lifetime, everything that we knew

663
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: was taken away from us. The auto plants moved out,

664
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Speaker 5: the banks moved out, the movie theaters moved out.

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Speaker 3: A million of our neighbors moved out.

666
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Speaker 5: And when I came out of law school, I just

667
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 5: wanted to do something in the city, and I had

668
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 5: one job after another until I became the prosecutor. But

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Speaker 5: if they had closed the hospitals that saw three hundred

670
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 5: thousand patients a year in the emergency rooms, the city

671
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: would have been devastated. So I literally quit the prosecutor's

672
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 5: job midterm, and I went in and I was actually

673
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 5: criticized some of the papers saying I wasn't qualified because

674
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Speaker 5: I hadn't done healthcare and the chairman of the board said, well,

675
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 5: we just had a doctor and he lost one hundred

676
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 5: million dollars a year for five years. We're going to

677
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 5: try somebody from outside. And I just said, why are

678
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 5: people sitting on plastic chairs in the waiting room for

679
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 5: three hours at a time. You guys want to keep

680
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 5: blaming Federal government doesn't pays us enough. State government doesn't

681
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 5: pay us enough.

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Speaker 3: How about we upgrade the state edited a care.

683
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Speaker 5: I tore a part the entire process and kicked off

684
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 5: the thirty minute guarantee. If we didn't see you in

685
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 5: thirty minutes or less, we gave you two tickets to

686
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: a Tiger gate. Now that was two thousand and four

687
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 5: in the Detroit Tiger's lost one hundred and four games

688
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 5: that year, so the team was willing give be a

689
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 5: really good deal on those seats.

690
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Speaker 3: But people just poured back in.

691
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Speaker 5: And I had this idea that a lower income people

692
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 5: in Detroit deserved exactly the same standard of care as

693
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 5: the wealthier people of the suburbs. And when you deliver care,

694
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 5: it's amazing how profitable your hospital is.

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Speaker 1: I feel the way you feel about Detroit about New

696
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: York City. Now New York city is much less shitty

697
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Speaker 1: than it was when I grew up here, So I'm

698
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Speaker 1: very you know, it's different. We've watched it go the

699
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Speaker 1: other way, but I certainly understand loving the place you're from.

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Speaker 1: Detroit was really a city in trouble. Is Michigan a

701
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Speaker 1: state in trouble? And what is your plan for the state.

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Speaker 3: As everybody knows, Michigan is a purple state.

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Speaker 5: From your national perspective, that means it's in play for

704
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Speaker 5: the presidential If you live here, the implication is much worse.

705
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 5: Every two to four years, the State House, the state Senate,

706
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: the governorship, they flip back and forth between Republicans and Democrats.

707
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Speaker 5: And the last few times, two of the three thousand

708
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 5: votes statewide decided who whether the Republicans or Democrats, were

709
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Speaker 5: in charge of the legislature.

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Speaker 3: And what has happened is they are so close that

711
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: that the Republics and Democrats have become completely obsessed with

712
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 3: am I in the majority? Do I get the majority?

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Speaker 5: And now the last state report, more than sixty percent

714
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 5: of third graders in the state of Michigan do not

715
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Speaker 5: read a great level.

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Speaker 3: It's just that's not Detroit, that's the whole state. Of Michigan.

717
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Speaker 5: We're near the bottom of the country, and every two

718
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: years is the Republicans and Democrats take control. They changed

719
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: the curriculum, they changed the measurement on the schools, they

720
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: changed the requirements of the teachers, and these teachers and

721
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 5: principles have literally had five changes in how schools are

722
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Speaker 5: measured in twelve years, and they wonder why our.

723
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Speaker 3: Teachers can teach.

724
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Speaker 5: And so I looked at this and said, I could

725
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 5: get elected governor as a Democrat and all the Republicans

726
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: would be against me because they tried.

727
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: To be of the legislative races.

728
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Speaker 5: And in two years, even if the Democrats won, the

729
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 5: Republicans win the next time, and I wouldn't be able

730
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Speaker 5: to get anything done. So I thought, maybe we need

731
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Speaker 5: a different kind of politics.

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Speaker 1: And you have so far really knocked the race into

733
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: something totally different. So I am very curious to know

734
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Speaker 1: a little bit about how you did that, because the

735
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Speaker 1: Democrats had a candidate they picked, and the Republicans have

736
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Speaker 1: that poor guy they keep running. So tell us sort

737
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: of how you got into this race and probably didn't

738
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Speaker 1: everybody tell you not to do it.

739
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Speaker 5: I tell you, the people who live here are tired

740
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 5: of it. And you know, I watched Rick Snyder, who

741
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: was a Republican governor for eight years, and he did

742
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 5: a lot of things I didn't agree with. But when

743
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 5: the Democrats got a trifecta on the Democratic side literally

744
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: in two years, they reversed everything that he had done

745
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: in eight years. And then we got a Republican House,

746
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 5: they ready started to reverse what the Democrats have done.

747
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Speaker 5: And if you live here, you say, this is crazy.

748
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 5: We don't have an economic development strategy to attract businesses

749
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 5: that ever last more than two years.

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Speaker 3: So I write, what if I do this? What if

751
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: I run as an independent?

752
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 5: I'm not going to get engaged in the Senate races

753
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: of the House races. It's just like I did in

754
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Speaker 5: the city of Detroit when I put the black versus

755
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 5: white politics behind us in twelve straight years, I got

756
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: city council to work together for Detroit's recovery. What would

757
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 5: happen if I worked with the people from the two

758
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: parties and pass things on a bipartisan basis. So every

759
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 5: election isn't the most important election in history because we

760
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 5: actually agree on things. There's nothing about teaching third graders

761
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Speaker 5: to read.

762
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Speaker 3: You need to teach them filects. You need to have

763
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Speaker 3: them in small groups. You need to have tutors for

764
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: the kids who are falling behind. You need to have

765
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: the same curriculum for five straight years and not change it.

766
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Speaker 3: There's nothing about that that's Republican or Democratic, but Republicans

767
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: and Democrats use the school rules basically as political weapons

768
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: right now, the way the parties are using the SNAP

769
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: program nationally as a political weapon.

770
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Speaker 5: I said, what if I just try this? And the

771
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 5: response has been unbelievable. And I started out way behind,

772
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 5: and in May they did a poll that I was

773
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 5: within fourteen points to the top candidate. And then the

774
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 5: last poll that came out, Jocelyn Benson, the Democratic likely nominee,

775
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: is at thirty. John James, the Republican likely nominee, is

776
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 5: at twenty nine, and I'm at twenty six. And the

777
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 5: interesting thing is half of my supports coming from Democrats

778
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: and half my supports coming from Republicans. And basically it's

779
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 5: just people who are saying, you're not solving our problems.

780
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 5: We spend all your time final with each other.

781
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Speaker 1: That is wild. And what do you think of yourself as?

782
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

783
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: I think of myself as a problem solver, and so

784
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 5: as mayor Detroit, it is hard to describe. Imagine a

785
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 5: city sliding into bankruptcy for years.

786
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: How do you get re elected in that situation? You

787
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: know how you get reelected.

788
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: You are the best person in blaming somebody else for

789
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 5: the problems. You don't have accomplishments to run on. And

790
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: I came in and said, this is going to stop.

791
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Speaker 5: I'm not blaming anybody. The black versus white city versus

792
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 5: suburbs stuff is going to stop. If you vote for me,

793
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 5: We're going to build a city that's opened everybody. And

794
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 5: I got re elected the second time with seventy two percent,

795
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: and the third time was seventy five percent. And last

796
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 5: night the city council president, who was my partner, just

797
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 5: got elected to succeed me with seventy seven percent.

798
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Speaker 3: Mary Sheffield.

799
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Speaker 5: This city is coming back dramatically because we have gotten

800
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 5: the US versus Them politics behind us and people here

801
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: in southeastern Michigan. You don't have to explain to anybody. Come

802
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 5: downtown and you see the crowds on nights and weekends.

803
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable what we have. We got ten billion dollars

804
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 5: in investment going into the city today auto plants and

805
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 5: new hospitals and new distribution centers and new tech companies,

806
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 5: and so people in southeastern Michigan get it. When I

807
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 5: go to the outstate areas that are in the Detroit

808
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 5: media market, I'm having to introduce myself to largely rural

809
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 5: Republican fall folks who say, what does the marriage Detroit

810
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: know about our problems? And it's been a fascinating process,

811
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 5: and I'm making some traction.

812
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Speaker 1: I completely get that, you know, as someone who comes

813
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: from my political world that I think of myself as

814
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: a seventy percent in the middle married to a venture capitalist.

815
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Speaker 1: So I'm hardly, you know, from some kind of wild

816
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: lefty stock, though my grandfather was a communist. But you

817
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: have a state where you have like the Michigan Militia, right,

818
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: you have a group of people who tried to kidnap

819
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: the governor. So as much as like I want desperately

820
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Speaker 1: to solve problems, you're going to hit some partisanship.

821
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Speaker 5: And if you saw what happened in the city every

822
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 5: time we do a development project. We brought a Jeep

823
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 5: plant here with five thousand employees, and Jeep promised and

824
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 5: lived up to the commitment that every single hire would

825
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 5: be from the city of Detroit. Even with that, I

826
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 5: had protests on the far left about the fact that

827
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Speaker 5: we were giving tax breaks to what was then Fiat Chrysler.

828
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Speaker 5: But I had the United Auto Workers with me, I

829
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 5: had the construction trades with me, and I had the

830
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Speaker 5: people of city Detroite those who were protesting on the

831
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 5: far left. We listened respectfully, came to the meetings, but

832
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Speaker 5: they didn't represent the majority Detroit, and we approved it quickly.

833
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Speaker 3: It's the same thing.

834
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Speaker 5: The Michigan militia is not going to support me, and

835
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 5: the far left isn't going to support me, and I

836
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 5: don't worry about that. There are Americans. They are entitled

837
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 5: to their perspective. But I'm talking to the person of

838
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 5: the middle who wants their kid to be able to

839
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 5: have a job in Michigan not have to move out

840
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: of state. And the great majority of those people are saying,

841
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 5: where's the economic opportunity for us?

842
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Speaker 3: I look at what Mike did in Detroit and all

843
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: those jobs that came back to the city. What would

844
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: it be like if they came back to the state.

845
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: So what will it look like for you now to

846
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: campaign and you have a year. What does Michigan look like?

847
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: How do you campaign in Michigan? Every place is different.

848
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Speaker 1: Talk us through it.

849
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Speaker 5: January one, I will no longer be the mayor and

850
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 5: that will free up a lot of my time. So

851
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 5: you could imagine the last twenty four hours I've been

852
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 5: consumed with dealing with the snap crisis. Residents have had

853
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: their food benefits shut off, and this nonsense going on

854
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 5: between the Republicans and Democrats in Washington doesn't like it's

855
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 5: going to be solved anytime soon. So the last week

856
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: we set up eighty five emergency food distribution site. I

857
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 5: turned to Detroiters on social media and I said, we

858
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 5: need volunteers to staff them. A thousand Detroiters volunteered, and

859
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 5: I spent the whole morning out at one of these sites.

860
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Speaker 5: But it's heartbreaking to see these blocks of cars. We

861
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 5: got cars lined up three blocks deep to get food

862
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 5: for their family because this week they should have had

863
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 5: their monthly check to buy the food for the week.

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Speaker 5: This is the kind of stuff I haven't spend way

865
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: too much time on. But that's my job for the

866
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Speaker 5: next eight weeks. But between that, I've been going up

867
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Speaker 5: to farms I've been going up to small towns and

868
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Speaker 5: it is absolutely fascinating to sit with folks who say,

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Speaker 5: to me, what does the mayor Detroit know about us?

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Speaker 5: We've been ignored, We've been forgotten. Nobody cares about us.

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Speaker 5: I said, let me tell you about talking representing people

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Speaker 5: who have been ignored and forgotten. Come to some of

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Speaker 5: our neighborhoods where I had families on a block with

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Speaker 5: four abandoned houses, no park, no street lights. Cops didn't show,

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Speaker 5: I didn't complain about it. We solve the problems. Let's

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Speaker 5: talk about your problems. And it's amazing these folks these

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Speaker 5: rural areas. Their shoulders relax and they think, maybe I've

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Speaker 5: got more in common with Detroiters than I ever would

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Speaker 5: have thought. And then we start talking and I see

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Speaker 5: the same kind of dynamic when I first ran from Ara,

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Speaker 5: going from a house to house in the city, saying

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Speaker 5: we do have more in common, and I think I

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Speaker 5: can actually build a bipartisan coalition to win this thing.

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Speaker 1: And of all people on food, salm to our children.

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Speaker 3: It is ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: And the notion that they are all poor and black

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Speaker 5: in the inner city is absolutely not true.

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Speaker 1: It's like significantly more white people on it than And.

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Speaker 5: It's really interesting as I can go into some of

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Speaker 5: the rural areas, there are a lot of areas where

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Speaker 5: they are starting to get disenchanted with Donald Trump. We've

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Speaker 5: got a lot of soybean farmers here who lost their

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Speaker 5: exports to China. We've got autoworkers who are starting to

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Speaker 5: lose jobs over the Canadian tariffs. But when you talk

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Speaker 5: to them, they're not turning to Democrats. It don't see

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Speaker 5: the Democrats is their solution. And the question they get

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Speaker 5: is we voted for Democrats, we did badly. We voted

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Speaker 5: for Republicans and we do badly. And right now there's

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Speaker 5: so much fighting with each other. Is there another choice?

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Speaker 3: And I'm just going to see whether people I will

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Speaker 3: try a different path.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure you know about this that in rural

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Speaker 1: areas there's a democratic penalty if you have a D

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Speaker 1: next to your name, which is something we saw Dan

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Speaker 1: Osborne and Nebraska run on. We're probably going to see

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Speaker 1: more of that.

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Speaker 3: So Molly, I went up to a small town called Lexington.

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Speaker 5: Here thousand people in a town one hundred showed up

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Speaker 5: at a bar to see me on a Tuesday night,

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Speaker 5: which I was like, I can't, I can't believe this,

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Speaker 5: And the grocer across the street took a special sign

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Speaker 5: down for the week and said, welcome to Lexington, Mike Duggan.

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Speaker 5: And after we started talking thirty forty minutes and they

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Speaker 5: got relaxed and laughing and comfortable. I said to him,

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Speaker 5: how many of you would have shown up here tonight

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Speaker 5: if I were running for governor as a Democrat? And

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Speaker 5: about a third of the hands of the room went up,

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Speaker 5: and then they looked at each other they started to laugh.

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Speaker 5: But these are their friends and neighbors in a small town.

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Speaker 5: But it's what you say, if you put a D

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Speaker 5: in front of your name, there's a whole chunk of

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Speaker 5: the country that won't even listen to you. And the

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Speaker 5: same is true if you put an R in front

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Speaker 5: of your name, as a chunk of the country that

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Speaker 5: won't listen either. What I'm finding is, I'm running is

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Speaker 5: an independent and I'm not saying they're there yet.

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Speaker 3: But boy, are they interested in having a third choice?

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: I understand you know a lot of the hospital administrator stuff.

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Speaker 1: I understand how you maybe fix the city, you get

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Speaker 1: people to build factories, but it's a lot of organization,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of detail work, it's a lot of

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Speaker 1: putting what works best first. But I just wonder, is

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Speaker 1: there some other secret sauce I'm missing here?

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Speaker 3: So the secret sauce you're missing is this.

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Speaker 5: Every Democratic candidate right now has their talking points off

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Speaker 5: of their polsters.

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Speaker 3: And it says costs are rising too fast.

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Speaker 5: I will bring them down. Donald Trump is bad for you.

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Speaker 5: I will fight him, and I will be on the

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Speaker 5: side to teach. But you look at their life. They've

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Speaker 5: never done a thing on any of those issues. And

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Speaker 5: what people here see is that when I ran for

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Speaker 5: mayor and set in living rooms in an eighty three

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Speaker 5: percent black city and said I believe I can change

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Speaker 5: politics a we could get investment. We did land ten

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Speaker 5: new auto plants and cut the unemployment rate from twenty

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Speaker 5: percent down to eight percent. We cut the homicide rate

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Speaker 5: more than a half by both putting cops on the

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Speaker 5: street but running great prevention programs. We rebuilt the riverfront

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Speaker 5: to the point where it is spectacular. The crowds downtown

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Speaker 5: Detroit are huge on nights and weekends. So what I

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Speaker 5: have going for me is while the other people are

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Speaker 5: repeating what's on their pollsters talking points here, they look

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Speaker 5: and they say, Mike actually did it. And that's really

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Speaker 5: the reason I am almost in a dead heat is

957
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Speaker 5: because I have something to the other two don't have.

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Speaker 5: I actually have a track record of accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: Mike, it was great to talk to you. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll come back as you keep going, maybe February and March.

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Speaker 1: Check in with us, tell us how it's going, okay.

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Speaker 3: Would love to and thanks for Mally.

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Speaker 1: No moment, Jesse Cannon, Molly jun Fast.

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Speaker 2: Would you be shocked if I told you that Jesselen

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Speaker 2: Maxwell sitting down in a country club prisoner is being

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Speaker 2: waited on hand and foot for some reason. I just

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Speaker 2: can't figure out what it could be. Any ideas, no, no, what. Well,

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Speaker 2: Jamie Raskin has this whistleblower who says that's what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I am shocked to hear that the Trump administration is

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Speaker 1: protecting the partner of Jeffrey Epstein. But why it is

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Speaker 1: a mystery, and certainly not that Donald Trump is implicated

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Speaker 1: and Ebstein files because that would be breezy and no

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Speaker 1: one's that.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying the pedophile cabala As call is coming

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Speaker 2: from inside the house.

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Speaker 1: Not I. I am not saying that. I am absolutely

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Speaker 1: not saying that. I would not say something like that.

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Speaker 2: Neither would I, especially since I like not being sued.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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