1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome into Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink here 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: with Garrett Downing, and we have talked a lot about 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: the Ravens offseason moves that could be coming here for 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: the twenty six season. You know how they plan for that, 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: what moves they still need to make. But whenever you're 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: laying out that outline, you also have to look even 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: further beyond that and you have to plan for the future. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: So today we're gonna talk about the Ravens salary cap 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: outlook and what could be coming down the pike for 10 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: preparing for twenty twenty seven. Okay, so this is all 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: part of the puzzle that Eric Tacosta and Nick Mattio 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: and the Ravens front office are putting together. So Garrett, 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: this came to mind with the news this morning, especially 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: that Seattle Seahawks wide receiver Jackson Smith and Jigba has 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: signed a four year extension worth one hundred and sixty 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: eight point six million dollars, reportedly with one hundred and 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars guaranteed. At forty two point one five 18 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: million dollars annual average salary, that makes him the highest 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: paid wide receiver in the NFL. So he's the reigning 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Offensive Player of the Year, he's a Super Bowl champion, 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: had an awesome, awesome season last year. He also was 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: in Zay Flowers draft class, and so the natural kind 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: of questions now is what does this mean for Zay Flowers. So, Garrett, 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: do you feel like this has an impact on Zay 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: and his contract that to come. 26 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think whenever there's a player at your position 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: that you're in the same type of category conversation with, 28 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: it definitely has an impact on your contract. Like we 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: see this all the time. Now, it doesn't necessarily guarantee anything. 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that Zay's contract ultimately will match or 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: surpass what Jackson Smith and Jigoba's contract is. But at 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: the same time, like it provides a framework for this 33 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: is the going rate for a top of the market 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: wide receiver. That's what his contract provides clarity to what's 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: the top guy getting right now. And he hit the market. 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: He actually hit the market. He went to the negotiating 37 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: table at the right time. He's in the same situation 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: as a which is that twenty two or twenty twenty 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: three draft class, and coming off of your third season, 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: this is the first time that you're eligible to negotiate 41 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: a contract. He's still signed through next year, an still 42 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: has a fifth year option, an still has franchise tag 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: after that. So like from a team control standpoint, he 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: was very much under contract. But going to the negotiating 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: table early can benefit both sides. Gives the player long 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: term security, gives the team the knowledge that this guy's 47 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: going to be here for the long haul, and so 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 2: there's benefits to doing that. The Ravens did it last 49 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: year with Kyle Hamilton, and so all that said, I 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: think that the contract that he just signed, more than 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: anything else, provides a framework of this is what is 52 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: going to cost for top market wide receivers at this 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: point going forward. 54 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think it's definitely a escalation of the 56 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: wide receiver market. But that's what we continue to see 57 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: at every position, Right Tyler Linderbaum just blew away the 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: market for a cent took a rapid escalator exactly exactly, 59 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: and so this is another jump. Jackson Smith and Jigba 60 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: at forty two point one five is ahead of Jamar 61 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Chase at forty point twenty five. Justin Jefferson was at 62 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: thirty five Cedee Lamb at thirty four. DK Metcalf thirty three. 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: DK signed last year, just last year with the Steelers. 64 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: Garret Wilson at thirty two and a half. So you know, 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean, he's more than ten million dollars average over 66 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, who comes in at sixth right now. Yeah, 67 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: And then the other obvious wide receiver in this conversation 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: and part of that twenty twenty three draft classes Puka Nakua, 69 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: who when you stack up the production of that class, 70 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: Poka's at the top. 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: He's had four and ninety one yards so far in 72 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: his career. 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: JSN is at three thousand, five hundred and fifty one, 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: Zay at three thousand, one hundred and twenty eight. Over 75 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: the past two years, Dave Flowers ranks number nine in 76 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: the NFL in receiving yards over the past two years, 77 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: both Pro Bowl years. The point here is Zay Flowers 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: is in that cluster of guys. He's in that grouping 79 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: right of top wide receivers. You're number nine in the 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: NFL and receiving yards the past two years, you've gone 81 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: back to back Pro Bowls. 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: You're in that top group. 83 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: And so this is just what this is what we 84 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: see at a number Z. You know, there was there 85 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: could be an argument who was the top center in 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: the game, Tyler, linnbaum Er, Creed, Humphrey, Right, And when 87 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: Creed last year signed his extension with the Chiefs, it 88 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: was kind of like, all right, well, now there's the 89 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: framework for Lindy and does he get just above that? 90 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: Does he get right at it? Does he get right whatever? Right, 91 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: there's this conversation. Lindy cleared it by a mile, yeah, right, 92 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: And so like this is just how the it works. 93 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: The salary cap keeps increasing every year, higher, higher ceiling, 94 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: and guys keep getting more and so there's this difficult 95 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: challenge for front offices of like you said, we have 96 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: this guy under contract right at a smaller number, how 97 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: long do we hold on to that versus getting ahead 98 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: of this deal for a guy that we want to 99 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: keep long term and hit early because it's only going 100 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: to continue to go up. So it's a difficult challenge, 101 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: especially you know when you have when you have great 102 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: players like Zay Flowers. Is it's a challenge, Yeah, a 103 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: good challenge. 104 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: Look, I think that the situation last year for the 105 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: Ravens kind of underscores this point, which is it was 106 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: the first time that both Kyle Hamilton and Tyler Linderbaum 107 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 2: were eligible for contract extensions. They were able to get 108 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: the deal done with Kyle Hamilton, they were not with 109 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: Title Linderbaum. They opted not to pick up the franchise 110 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: fifth year option for Linderbaumb given the price tag on that. 111 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: The other thing that's worth noting when it comes to 112 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: the franchise tag and fifth year option is that the 113 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: entirety of that salary has to come up against a 114 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: salary cap that year, so you don't have any kind 115 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: of cap flexibility, right, which like is a big factor 116 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 2: when you're a team like the Ravens who always spends 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: to the salary cap. So like, if you have that 118 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: entire hit whatever the number is, all in one year, 119 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: that's that's significant. 120 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Right when you look at forty two point one five 121 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: million dollars for an average Well, that's that's not what 122 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna get in year one, right, You can you 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: can spread that money out and then you get another 124 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: extension done down the road and you never have to 125 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: sometimes you never have to really eat that massive number. Yeah, right, 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: And uh, that's how you kind of hope it works 127 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: right and the player keeps getting guarantees and all these things. 128 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: It works well for both sides. Yeah right. 129 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: When you yeah, when you play out the fifth year option, 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: when you play out a franchise tag or whatever, you're 131 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: you're eating a smaller than the average number potentially. 132 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a big number. 133 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah right. And if you get the deal done in advance, 134 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: there's it's like, whoa, this is a huge just like 135 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: with like we're talking about with Jackson Smith and Jebit 136 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: right now, Man, this is a huge, huge number. It's 137 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: a market setting deal forty two million dollars forty three 138 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: million dollars that we're talking about here for the guy 139 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: who's coming off Offensive Player of the Year season. We 140 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: had the same conversations last year with about Kyle Hamilton. 141 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: But then the other side of it is if a 142 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: guy hits the open market, then you run the risk 143 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: of them getting a offer that blows them away, which 144 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: is what of course happened with Tyler Linderbaum. So it's 145 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: like there's there's pros and cons to each approach that 146 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: you can take as a team, And the Ravens have 147 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: shown this interest generally speaking, and trying to get deals 148 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: done early. That's something that even at very early on 149 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: in his tenure that Eric de Costa talked about is 150 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: that we want to sign our own guys early because 151 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: we know that the price just goes up and up 152 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: and up. And they've done that with a number of 153 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: different players. And like you would think just on the 154 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: on the surface, a Flowers, that's a guy that you 155 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 2: want to have. Of course, coming off two Pro Bowl seasons, 156 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: first Pro Bowl receivers history, like that's a right, that's 157 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: the guy you like, you want him here. 158 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: And beyond that, you know Zay his relationship with Lamar Jackson. 159 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: He's a great fit with Lamar because of you know, 160 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: his ability to extend, extend plays, get open that way. 161 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 162 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a guy that works really hard. H 163 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: he hardly ever misses a practice. Yeah, Zay hardly ever misses. 164 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: Like this is a competitor and he's a homegrown guy, 165 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,559 Speaker 1: and the Ravens want to lock up their homegrown talent. 166 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: So he definitely falls in that category. 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah yea oh yeah exactly. And so but then it 168 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: comes down to the question of price. And so it's 169 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: it's interesting last year when when they when they got 170 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: it done with Hamilton. That was that's kind of broke 171 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: the trend of like that. Not a lot of guys 172 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: just league wide, it happens, but it's it's more rare 173 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: that after your third season, especially for a first round pick, 174 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 2: when you had the fourth year and the fifth year option, 175 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 2: that's earlier than normal. Like you mentioned Pook and Taku 176 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 2: in the rams, that seems much more likely to me 177 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: because considering there's no fifth year option for him. He's 178 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: a fifth round pick, so there's no fifth year option 179 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 2: that you could extend. Plus then this the franchise tag, 180 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: he doesn't have that, so I would think that and 181 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: and adding the fact that he was a fifth round 182 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: pick who look at market value here is severely underpaid 183 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: considering the production that he's put up, and so so 184 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: he's going to get a massive deal. So that to 185 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: me like seems like the clock is ticking a little 186 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: bit more for him than the first round picks. However, Yeah, obviously, 187 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: now a first round pick has been done, and and 188 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: it'll be really interesting to see again what Puka gets. 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: And then if the Ravens go the Ravens is they 190 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: are at the negotiating table. If they've had conversations. This 191 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: has not been something that Eric Costa has really been 192 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: asked about this offseason, is are they negotiating where that 193 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: stands his view on this whole thing. But I would 194 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 2: expect that that's a question that comes up relatively soon. Yeah, meetings, meetings, 195 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: if he talks, or a pre draft press conference. Those 196 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: are questions that I would not surprise me they come 197 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: up for him. 198 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 199 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: Let's just look at the financials of the situation for 200 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: Ze right now. This is all according to overthecap dot com. 201 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty six, he's scheduled to have a 202 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: four point four to six million dollars cap number, so 203 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: obviously give him his production. 204 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a good number for the Haavens clearly. 205 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: So then you would get the fifth year option for 206 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: Ze Flowers, which the Ravens would have to decide whether 207 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: to pick that up by May first. My guess would 208 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: be that they would that the fifth year option for 209 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: z would come in at twenty seven point two. Now, 210 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: when you're looking at forty one point whatever it is, 211 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: forty two point one five for JSN, twenty seven two 212 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: looks pretty darn good. Yeah, right, So that's the fifth 213 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: year option for Za if they were to franchise tag him, 214 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, for twenty twenty seven, looking beyond right now, 215 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: that stands at thirty one point five. That number will 216 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: change as more contracts get signed. Uh, but that's what 217 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: the number projects to be right now. So there's a 218 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of things in play here, and two. 219 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: Franchise tag years too, if you really were to like. 220 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: Topically, second franchise goes. Yeah, it's even gets it gets 221 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: quite costly. 222 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, like that, those are just all the mechanics 223 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 2: that are at play correct and and so it's it's 224 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: going to be really interesting. 225 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: I think you and I both agree. Hope that Zay, 226 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: a long term deal with Zay gets done. Would love 227 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: to see him him here making plays for a lot longer. 228 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, Like this is a guy the Ravens 229 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: for the longest time. In the draft, we would talk 230 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: about draft stuff and you would often talk about wide 231 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 2: receiver and then you would throw out the whole point 232 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: they haven't drafted a Pro Bowl receiver and this is 233 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: a conundrum that they've been trying to solve, and they. 234 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: Solved it exactly with Za Flowers. 235 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's delivered on what you hope to get 236 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: out of him as a first round pick, and just 237 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: has been. He's been a great player, and I still 238 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: think that there's I'm super excited to see what he 239 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: does this year in this offense, new offense with Deklan 240 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: Doyle's the offensive coordinator. Like, I still think there's even 241 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: another ceiling to his game. 242 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, we're gonna take a break. 243 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll talk about other Ravens twenty 244 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: twenty seven free agents and some other players the Ravens 245 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: could get ahead of with contract extensions. 246 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Lage podcast. We're coming to you 247 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: for the Sekiek Studio. I want to mention our partners 248 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: with Draft King Sportsbook. They are an official sports betting 249 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 2: partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draftking Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. 250 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: So as we're looking ahead, here another player from that 251 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 2: draft class to twenty twenty three draft class who could 252 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 2: be eligible for certainly an extension. I think the Ravens 253 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: will consider this one is Tavius Robinson. Player that that 254 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: is really highly regarded in this organization, well liked, well respected, 255 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: plays exactly what you the way that you want as 256 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: a Ravens defensive player, the edge setting, kind of a 257 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: tone setter at that outside linebacker spot. I think that 258 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 2: he is somebody that we haven't talked about a ton, 259 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: but would not surprise me if the Ravens had extension 260 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: talks with him this summer into the season, and maybe 261 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: they're able to work something out before he ends up 262 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 2: hitting the market. 263 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tavius Robinson is everything you want a Raven to be. 264 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: He defines Raven and play like a Raven in all 265 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: of those things. And so he's another just great guy, 266 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: you know, and so and let's also the fact of 267 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: the matter is he was having a career year last year. 268 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: He unfortunately suffered a foot injury. Huh, so he was 269 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: limited to playing only ten games, but he had four 270 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: and a half sacks and ten games. Four and a 271 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: half sacks was a career high, and so he was 272 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: having a really good year last year. He had twenty 273 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: eight tackles, three tackles for loss, and ten quarterback hits. So, 274 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, it would be interesting to see how his 275 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: role evolves now with Trey Hendrickson here. I would imagine 276 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Tavis certainly is known for his run stopping ability, and 277 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: being able to kind of set that hard edge, and 278 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: that will be I think a good compliment to what 279 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: Trey brings to the table. You know, how do they 280 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: also utilize Trey and maximize what he can do along 281 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: with Tavias, Mike Green, whoever else they add. There's gonna 282 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: more additions, probably including in the draft, so it'll be 283 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: interesting to see how his role evolves. But I think 284 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: that he's an ascending player. Now, this is a guy 285 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: that they drafted. 286 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: Who was kind of a little bit more of a 287 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 3: of a raw project. 288 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: He was a little of a projection in late bloomer. 289 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's Canadian and came kind of got 290 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of a later start, certainly to American football, 291 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: and the Ravens drafted him. Obviously, his size is intangibles, 292 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: the way he plays the game, the way he hustles, 293 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: all those things, and and he's refined his game and 294 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: polished his game and works really hard at it. I mean, 295 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure the guy ever leaves the building, like 296 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: literally the season ends and Tavis' is back the next day. Yeah, 297 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: And so he's a he's a very good player that 298 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens could potentially get an extension done 299 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: that would work well for both sides. Right, he hasn't 300 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: had like a breakout kind of year yet, but I 301 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: would think that maybe you could find a deal that 302 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: works for both sides. 303 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: We're talking about a different level of contract, and we 304 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: just spent the first start talking about with the receiver 305 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: market and the outside linebacker market can be big, but 306 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: the guys who generally get the massive contracts at that 307 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 2: position of the guys that are putting up double dig 308 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: of sacks, as you mentioned, career high in sacks is 309 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: four and a half for him, So we're not talking 310 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: about a huge extension. I do think that that sack 311 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: production could could grow, and you know, I would put 312 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: him like several years ago the Ravens. It's not the 313 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: best comp but it's one that kind of comes to mind. 314 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: Tyas Bowser was a player for the Ravens now he 315 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: came off. I believe he had a season where he 316 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: had like nine sacks and ended up getting that contract extension. 317 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: He had the interceptions. 318 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so not the exact same player, but like a 319 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: player who the Ravens liked at the time, who got 320 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: a fair deal. Was not a earth shattering contract, but 321 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: like was a homegrown player that improved and developed and 322 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: the Ravens gave him that contract, And so I think 323 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: that there's potential that Tavius Robinson could potentially fall into 324 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: a similar category. The number is going to be different 325 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: because just the length of time and contract, but I 326 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: do wonder if that's the type of deal that we're 327 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: looking at for him. 328 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: Roderick Washington was another example of that, somebody that the 329 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: Ravens kind of got ahead of early on got a deal. 330 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: Done with him. So I think it would probably be 331 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: a higher number than Brody's. 332 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: Deal was different again, different position than but a. 333 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Good like good player, well liked within the organization, really 334 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: hard worker. Ravens felt like a sending player and they 335 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: got a deal done early with that would be. 336 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: Kind of what I imagine for Tavious. 337 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: But we'll say, yeah, the thing too that you spoke 338 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: to this, but like, what's cool about Tavius Robinson is like, 339 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: this is a guy who like fourth round pick, so 340 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: you get him on day three, late start to football 341 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: and playing in Canada plays at all. Miss isn't like 342 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: this massively productive player in college. But you're taking a 343 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 2: bet on the speed that the size the intangibles here, 344 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: the work ethic, the size, the grittiness, the toughness, like, 345 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: all right, we're going to bet on like that compilation 346 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: of skills. And then he comes here and just continues 347 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: to approve and develop, and it's really just a I 348 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: think it's a sign of success from a scouting department 349 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: to find this guy and to target him, and then 350 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: also a sign of success from the coaching staff and 351 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: the organizational support to develop him. So you find him, 352 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: you develop him, and then ideally you're able to reward 353 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: him if the two sides are able to work out 354 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: in agreement. There Again, I don't think it's like a massive, 355 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 2: massive contract, but I think it would be. He's a 356 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: guy that's going to get paid next offseason, So do 357 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 2: you want to wait and risk losing him or do 358 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: you want to try to get it done before the 359 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: market opens. 360 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a different off season next off 361 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: season because the Ravens don't have nearly as many free agents. 362 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't like this year when you had all these 363 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two this draft class that many of them, 364 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: almost all of them thrived, And now you have a 365 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: lot of guys hitting free agency, the twenty twenty three 366 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: draft class. The Ravens only made six picks that year, right, 367 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: and the only guys that are still on the team 368 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: are Zay Flowers, Trenton Simpson, Tavius Robinson, Robinson and Andrew Vorhees. 369 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: So four players, right, So Trenton Simpson will be another guy. 370 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: Voor He's another guy. What happens with them in their futures? 371 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I will say Trenton Simpson will be an interesting case. 372 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: I thought he had his best season yet in twenty 373 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: twenty five. Played in all seventeen games. You know, he 374 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: only started six after Teddy Buchanan went down with his 375 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: season ending knee injury. But I thought Trenton played pretty well. 376 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: He had a career high two and a half sacks 377 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: sixty six tackles. 378 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: Mostly, what I'll. 379 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 1: Be interested to see is is how different his role 380 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: is and how much better he gets in a Jesse 381 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: Minter defense. 382 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: How does Jesse deploy him? 383 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: I think that Trenton obviously hard worker, super athletic guy. 384 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. 385 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to see what his role will be, especially 386 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: as Teddy continues to come back and that knee injury 387 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: that's gonna open up some possibilities, some opportunities potentially for Trenton. 388 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: So depending on what his role looks like and obviously 389 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: the kind of season he has here in twenty twenty six, 390 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: I think that'll dictate the opportunity that he has to 391 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: get a contract extension here in Baltimore. And then Andrew 392 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Warhe's you know, he was a full time starter this 393 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: past season. You look ahead to twenty twenty six, it 394 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: appears he's going to be in a competition for a 395 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: starting job at least with Emery Jones. Does he win 396 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: that job? You know, do the Ravens have a high 397 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: draft pick at guard? It remains to be seen. If 398 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: Andrew Worhees does end up winning a starting job and 399 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 1: play as well, then he'll be in. 400 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: The conversation as well. 401 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: It's gonna be quite different from the twenty twenty two 402 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: class when yeah, it's sheer numbers. Yeah, you got a 403 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: ton of guys getting big time. 404 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: Deals numbers and some breakout guys in that. 405 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: Class exactly, So the Ravens will have it'll be a 406 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: little bit easier in that regard. Now they will have 407 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: some veterans, right, and another one being Marlon humph who 408 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: will be a free agent in twenty twenty seven. So 409 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: what does Marlin's future look like next off season? I mean, 410 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: he's a really interesting case. I mean, this is a 411 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: guy who at the end of this past season was 412 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: very much like, I don't I don't know if I'm 413 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: going to be back. I'm not sure if they might 414 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: cut me. I don't know, I don't know what my 415 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: future is. He's said that multiple off seasons. He's another 416 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: guy who's kind of hinted, how much longer do I 417 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: want to play? 418 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: Kind of thing do I transition to safety? You know? 419 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: You know Marlin, he's always he's always thinking a lot 420 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: about everything. 421 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 3: And so. 422 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, the Ravens said that they were going to 423 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: keep him this year, and certainly that is that's the plan, right, 424 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: and what is going to happen? He's twenty nine years old. 425 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: You know, last year he had some tougher moments by 426 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: his own mission. You know, he felt like gave up 427 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: too many big plays. He was disappointed with that, but 428 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: he led the Ravens interceptions two years ago. HU and 429 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: Marlon again, another guy that plays the game the way 430 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: you want it to be played. 431 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: I thought I thought he was excellent in twenty four. 432 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: He was not as good in twenty five, yep. And 433 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he does in this defense 434 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 2: with Jesse Minzer and Anthony Weaver. Sure, and I think 435 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: the Ravens like the fact that they're the fact that 436 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: they're keeping him that was a question this offseason, made 437 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: the decision to keep him. 438 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: Yep. 439 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: I think that's a vote of confidence in his ability, 440 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: the way he plays the game, all the things that 441 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: you just mentioned, and so I'm really excited to see 442 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: what he does in this defense with Jesse Menzer because 443 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: I think that he could have a resurgent season, kind 444 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: of back to what he did in twenty four. I 445 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: think that that possibility exists. 446 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely think that Marlon, Like I just said, 447 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: he's only twenty nine. It's not like this guy's like 448 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: that old. I mean, it feels like he's been here 449 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: forever because he came here when he was a kid. Yeah, 450 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: he was really young when the Ravens drafted him in 451 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: the first round and he's had a great career here 452 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. I do think that he could have a 453 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: research season, you know, fitting him in the right role, 454 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: and whether that's a nickel. A fair amount or how 455 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: much is outside versus nicol is important for him. Bringing 456 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: back Cheetoh Woozier, you know, is a big part of 457 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: that because Cheeto can kind of spell him outside opposite 458 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: Nate Wiggins, and that moves Marlin closer to the line 459 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: of Scriverason inside. So there's a lot of things in play. 460 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: I think he can have a resurgence season. The other 461 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: thing I'll say about Marlon is there is really a 462 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: relationship here with the Ravens. Marlon has been pretty clear too. 463 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: He said, when I first got drafted, I thought I'd 464 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: be one of those guys that plays for several different 465 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: teams over his career, and like there's a lot of 466 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: loyalty here. He has a real relationship with Eric Tacosta 467 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 1: and there's just a lot of built up loyalty there. Yeah, 468 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: And so wouldn't surprise me, honestly, if Marlon is one 469 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: of those guys that's a Raven for life. 470 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 3: He could be one of those dudes. 471 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, And he this is his tenth season, and like 472 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 2: he's even said this publicly, like basically the only thing 473 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: he the main thing he has left, the one thing 474 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: that he has left to accomplish, just whining, like he's 475 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: been a Pro Bowl or he's been an All Pro player, 476 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: He's got a lot of money, he's signed a big contract, 477 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: and so the thing that's left on his to do list, 478 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: he's won national championships at Alabama. Like, the thing that's 479 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: left for him to accomplish is winning the super Bowl. 480 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: So let's just check that off and so and so, Yeah, 481 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: play it from there, Like, who knows, he's predicting what 482 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: Marvel is going to do. Who knows, But like, like 483 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: I think that that's his focus, is trying to win 484 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. And how much longer he wants to 485 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: play to be determined, And I think, honestly, like how 486 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: much longer he plays, the type of contract he could 487 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: get next year, all those questions are going to be 488 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 2: largely dependent on what happens this season, how he plays, 489 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: how the team does. All that's connected. But as of now, 490 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: he is scheduled to become a free agent after the 491 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: upcoming season. 492 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 3: Yep. 493 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: And then of course the huge Domino and all of 494 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: this is Lamar Jackson. We've talked about his contract a 495 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: lot on this podcast, and you know, the Ravens restructured 496 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: his deal reportedly opening about forty million dollars. He's set 497 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: to have a thirty four point three million dollars cap 498 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: hit according to overthcap dot com. 499 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: Next year that jumps. 500 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 1: Now even more to eighty three point three million dollars. 501 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: So we'll say it for one hundredth time, you know, 502 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: we hope that extension gets done. 503 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: And Lamar's here for a very long time. It's just 504 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: a matter. 505 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: Of making it happen, and it hasn't yet, but I 506 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,719 Speaker 1: still have a lot of confidence that it will. And 507 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: once that gets done, then the calculus on all this changes. 508 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 509 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 2: Look, Lamar Jackson's contract obviously is a huge business piece 510 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: for this team. And Eric Ticassa said when he talked 511 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: to reporters at the outset of free agency, while the 512 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: goal was to get it done before free agency, said 513 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: they just basically ran out of time, but said that 514 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: he's still optimistic about a contract extension and getting done 515 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: at some point. The other thing that we do know 516 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: with Lamar, he has made it clear previously, and he 517 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: said this publicly, that once the season starts kind of 518 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: that shuts down the negotiating process. Once the season starts, 519 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 2: he wants to really focus on football and the games, 520 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 2: not the contract piece of things. And so if the 521 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: deal's going to get done this offseason, it kind of 522 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: is a hard stop on when that would happen. So 523 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: these next few months are critical if a deal's going 524 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: to get done this offseason. And again I think that 525 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 2: the Ravens have made it clear the hope here is 526 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: to get another extension done with him. This is a 527 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: guy that they won hiss the quarterback for a long time, 528 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: and I think it's a mad ever of time for 529 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 2: just when that happens. 530 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 3: All Right, it's been a little while since we've read 531 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: an email. 532 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: As always, you can email us at the lounge at 533 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: Ravens NFL dot net, and Garrett, I believe you have 534 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: them pulled up. 535 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: I do, well, thank you for the teaser there. This 536 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: one comes from Marty Huff and Marty says, longtime listener, 537 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: first time emailer. So I always love the long time 538 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 2: first time So Marty, I appreciate that he's a PSL 539 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: owner and a Navy season ticket holder, so he's double 540 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 2: dippity busy weekends for Marty to go Navy games on Saturday, 541 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: Ravens games on Sunday. Mentions PJ Volcar coming out over 542 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: with it's a defensive coach here, a former Navy defensive coordinator. 543 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 2: So a question that he has, he's got we got 544 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 2: to do some scouting here because he's got two Navy 545 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: guys that he's curious about from a draft standpoint. Okay, 546 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 2: so on the defensive line, what are your thoughts on 547 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: the Ravens drafting Many Aaron Donald Aaron Donald. I mean 548 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: I'm sold on right in Landon Robinson from from from Navy. 549 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 2: So Landon Robinson, just to give you a rundown here, 550 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 2: Many Aaron Donald, as Marty calls him, He's a smaller 551 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: guy for a defensive line of six foot two ninety so, 552 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: but but he's similar to I understand the comparison and 553 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: that he's a guy that can get after the quarterback. 554 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: Had eight and a half sacks last season, so similar 555 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 2: to Aaron Donald as a guy that can provide interior pressure. 556 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: I don't I hesitate to compare anybody to Aaron Donald 557 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: because he is truly a one of one type player. 558 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 2: Robinson not invited to the combine, did play in the 559 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: in the Shrine Bowl, so you know, the Ravens pay 560 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: a lot of attention to some of those bowl games, 561 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 2: Trin Bowl, East West Senior, all of those. Uh So 562 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure that they got a good scouting report on 563 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: him as well as just being able to go down 564 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: to the Navy and get a look at him. Uh But he's. 565 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Also the local the local combine local also local pro 566 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: Day exactly a lot of just so listeners if you're 567 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: not familiar, players from local colleges, and also players who 568 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: played their high school ball yeah here in from the area, 569 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: from the area can all come back here to the 570 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: under our formerce Center and have a. 571 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 3: Combine U not a combinat Pro Day, I guess. 572 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: And so the Ravens scouts all attend that, and it's 573 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great way to see the 574 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: local products. 575 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm not sure if Landon Robinson is participating 576 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: that or not, but but that is historically an opportunity 577 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: to get a good look at these guys. So the 578 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 2: Ravens have talked about the value of that. 579 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes it can really pay off with the undrafted rookies. 580 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: In the undrafted class, the Ravens have have found some 581 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: real gems that way. 582 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: Which Landon Rominson could be in that Day three category. 583 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: To undrafted and so athletic four eight forty had a 584 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: fake punt against Army. So you got to dig through 585 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: the you know, special teams. 586 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: Special teams guy. 587 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: Then, so I think that like the and then the 588 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: other one here, Okay, I'll give you the other one 589 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 2: that Marty asked about running back but really made his 590 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 2: hey as a pass catcher. After Keaton Mitchell's departure, could 591 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 2: we add a mid shipman comparison with to Christian McCaffrey. 592 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: So we got the Aaron Donald and Christian McCaffrey comparison. 593 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 2: Eli heyden Reich as a new third down running back 594 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: receiver pass catcher. So we got Christian McCaffrey and Aaron Donald. 595 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: Cops here, I meant make comparisons Bay comparisons, he says. 596 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: I would love to see one or both. Marty's making 597 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: the case for both guys to get drafted. I also 598 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: looking at heiden Reich, probably a Day three pick as well. 599 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: But like, this guy was super productive as a pass 600 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: catcher nine hundred and forty one receiving our six touchdowns 601 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: fifty seven catches last year, six foot two hundred pounds, 602 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: ran the forty and four four four, So like has 603 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: good speed. Yeah, he's six pounds Okay, so like it's 604 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 2: not like he's a small guy at all. 605 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: Fine running back size, yeah yeah, it kind. 606 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: Of tall from a running back standpoint. Yeah, so it's 607 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: what do you think are the Raves gonna add one 608 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 2: of these Navy guys? 609 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey and Aaron Donald step right up. 610 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: I will say that, like I think that, I mean, 611 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 2: the Raves have drafted from Navy, before they drafted Keenan Reynolds. 612 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: He was a guy the quarterback that they converted to 613 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: a wide receiver and special teamer and that then ultimately 614 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: kind of work out with Keenan Reynolds. 615 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean it, but with somebody. 616 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: Else it kind of fits the mold like a Day 617 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: three pick, a player that you're projecting that you like 618 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: the intangibles, and so like, I'm not I'm honestly not 619 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 2: ruling it out on either of these guys. 620 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 621 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly I think that a receiving running back for 622 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: your immediate needs. Now, Justice Hill, would we talk about 623 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: the far look ahead? Justice Hill is projected to be 624 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: a free agent in twenty twenty seven. Yeah, so maybe 625 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, he could kind of be groomed for a 626 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: year to kind of take over that role potentially in 627 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty seven. You know, I don't see an immediate 628 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: spot for him this season because Justice Hilla is really 629 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: that receiving third down batch, which it sounds like heiden 630 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: Reig is more in that mold for Really, I think 631 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: your immediate needs now, rushin a Lee is certainly in 632 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: that picture. You're kind of looking for another running running back. 633 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: I don't mean, like, yeah, that to be the number 634 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: two to Derek Henry, who maybe you groom them for 635 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: way down the road, you know, to to take over 636 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: a lead back role potentially. 637 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's more. 638 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: The immediate and kind of that's more of the immediate need. 639 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: I think, though, when you're talking day three to undrafted range, 640 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: you're really not talking about phill Andese. You're talking about 641 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: projections and intangibles and Looktchel and this guy has a 642 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: makeup that I like and do I want to take 643 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: a chance here? Could you turn into something? 644 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I totally agree, So. 645 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 2: Marty, we will pass that along. Christian McCaffrey and Aaron 646 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: Donald both on the block. 647 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: We should have brought Keith Mills on the on the 648 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: pod today he could have given us a great scouting 649 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: report on both guys. 650 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. So we always love hearing from 651 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: our friends down at Navy. So Mariti, thank you for 652 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 2: the email. Make sure you send us your emails to 653 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: the Lounge at Ravens at NFL dot net. We're sending 654 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 2: out T shirts. You send an email, we read your 655 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: email on the air, you get a T shirt. So 656 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 2: Marty's got T shirts coming his way, and so everyone 657 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: else that's listening. If you want a chance to get 658 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: one of your one of those lounge T shirts added 659 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: to the collection, make sure you can send us his 660 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: emails and we'll send a shirt your way. It's gonna 661 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: be a good week here. Oh's opening day coming up 662 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: on Thursday, so Big Baltimore Sports Week be ready for that. 663 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: It's Ravens offseason, but wishing the O's all the best 664 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: in their opening day this week. So well, more to 665 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: come over the course of the next few days. Thanks 666 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: for listening. We'll talk with you again soon.