1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 3: Yes? 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 4: Are you ready for a break? 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Ready for a break? 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so much for that. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Patrick Walker, and Derek Eagleton. 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 6: It is Wednesday, October eighteenth, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen, 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 6: episode number fifty three. Welcome to the latest edition of 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 6: The Break, and I have got a really special surprise 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 6: for you guys out there listening. I actually, when I 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 6: put together this mashup of hosts on the different shows, 15 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 6: the one thing I wanted to do on this show, 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 6: Cowboys Break, was I wanted to people I thought probably 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 6: had some of the most diverse opinions of our entire 18 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 6: staff and put them together and then just like toss 19 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 6: the ball up in there and let y'all go just like. 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: The That's exactly what I've done. 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 6: We've got Danny McCrae from Players Lounge, We've got Nick 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 6: Harris from Talking Cowboys, got John Michold also from Talking Cowboys, 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 6: and it's time to step up. You guys are now 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 6: in the big leagues and so we can get this 25 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 6: thing rolling. I do want to start first with a 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 6: big picture, really big picture question. After six weeks, six games, 27 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 6: give me just your biggest storyline you think that's surrounding 28 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 6: this team at this point of the season heading into 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 6: the by after what McCarthy calls the first trimester. 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 7: Starr with you, John, Probably I was gonna say a 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 7: stale offense, but there was a little bit of a 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 7: heartbeat in Los Angeles, so I'll say a somewhat stale offense. 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 8: That's my thing. 34 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 7: I mean, there's been up and downs with the defense, 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 7: but it's it's the offense, like where Yeah, obviously it 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 7: can't be what it is right now. When you play 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 7: the Eagles multiple times and get to the playoffs, it 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 7: has to get much better. So can they continue building 39 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 7: on where they are right now? I would think that 40 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 7: at the bare minimum, they have to get something going 41 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 7: in the run game for that to happen. So that 42 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 7: would be my overarching storyline because going into this season 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 7: that was gonna be the big thing. Was you know, 44 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 7: no Kellen Moore and Mike McCarthy's calling the plays, how's 45 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 7: it gonna look. And the way the season started, you're like, well, 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 7: this complimentary football thing, nobody else knows how to do. 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 7: This seems like it's pretty easy here. But yeah, it's 48 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 7: it's definitely getting that offense going and how's it gonna look. 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 9: So for me, it's inconsistency. That's that's been the thing. 50 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 9: You never know what team you're gonna get every Sunday 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 9: each week. It's like a Jekyll and Hyde and you 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 9: typically know about halfway through the first quarter. It's like, Okay, 53 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 9: this is the team that they came with today, or 54 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 9: it's oh, this is the team they came with today. 55 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 9: So there's got to be a level of consistency, especially 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 9: with the opponents that you mentioned that they got coming 57 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 9: up out of the break. You know, you got Rams Eagles. 58 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 9: You know, it doesn't get easier, and then later in 59 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 9: the season Buffalo Miami. You have to have consistent team 60 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 9: on both sides of the ball to play against those 61 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 9: type of opponents. So for me, it's insist See why, 62 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 9: there is a lot of negatives that you can draw 63 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 9: out of these first six weeks. So you're still foreign 64 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 9: two and I think that's probably a best case scenario, 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 9: considering how they've played in some of these games. 66 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, mine is the lack of what I expected from 67 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 3: being from bringing in Brandon Cooks, having Ceedee Lamb going 68 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: into this year, hearing what I heard out of training camp, 69 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: expecting Michael Gallup to then be healthy, saying all right, 70 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: we have some explosive players this offense. Although we're gonna 71 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: play to the strength of our defense, we're still gonna 72 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: be able to take some shots and complete those passes. 73 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: And we just haven't seen that. Right. 74 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: So, when I'm looking at a guy like Brandon Cooks 75 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 3: and you say, okay, take the top off right, bust 76 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: some hamstrings as he's running down, the defenders should be 77 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: scared of him. I haven't seen that, and that's what 78 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: I expected. So to your point, yes, this offense and 79 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 3: not being able to then stretch the field and put 80 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: some fear and some defenses is it's kind of that 81 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: thing where I'm like, we got to see it if 82 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: we want to be successful of this season. 83 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 6: You touch on some thing their expectations. I'll take you 84 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 6: guys back to training camp in Oxnard and what you 85 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 6: thought of this team at that time. How much has 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 6: that changed? Good or bad from what you thought of 87 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 6: them going into the season to where they are right now. 88 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: Because I wasn't at training camp, but I was hearing 89 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: man Brandon Cooks fast, looking explosive. I was hearing about 90 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: the crazy catches that Ceedee Lamb was making. I was 91 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: hearing Michael Gallup is looking a lot healthier than he 92 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: was last year. So my expectation was, Okay, although we're 93 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: playing to that strength of the defense, we're still gonna 94 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: go out here in dak Prescott's going to look like 95 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: the dark Prescott of old because he has the weapons 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: now which we've been asking for, and then I haven't 97 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: seen it. So my expectation hasn't been met. But can 98 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: it still be yes, because the last game we did 99 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: see some shots get taken. Michael Gallup drop dropped, you know, 100 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: one or two or whatever. But we're still taking those shots, 101 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 3: and I think as the season goes on, if you 102 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: continue taking those, then you'll catch them. 103 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 8: I would say, if we're just going record wise, they're 104 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 8: right where I thought they would be. 105 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 7: I mean, at that time we chalking training camp, I'm 106 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 7: thinking Aaron Rodgers is going to be with the Jets, 107 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 7: and I thought that they would lose the Niners. Now, 108 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 7: I didn't think it wuld look that ugly, but I 109 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 7: thought that they would probably be around four and two, 110 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 7: So that part doesn't surprise me. But the blowouts they 111 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 7: had to start the season, just how I wouldn't want 112 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 7: to say lack of ever, but just how poorly they 113 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 7: came out against Arizona. I never would have expected that. 114 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 7: And then just the fact of just how they got 115 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 7: blown out by the Niners. I never thought that that 116 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 7: would happen. I just felt like this team is built 117 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 7: to play the Niners tight to where it comes down 118 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 7: to like a last possession or two, let's see who's 119 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 7: going to win this game, And for them for to 120 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 7: be that one sided, I never would have expected that. 121 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 7: With the fact of I mean, I get that they 122 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 7: didn't have overshown, I get that they didn't have digs, 123 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 7: but relatively speaking, you all across the rest of the league, 124 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 7: I mean, they're relatively healthy going into that game. Finally 125 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 7: that you know, the first team offensive line together, So 126 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 7: I didn't expect that part of it. 127 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, I remember telling people back home whenever I was 128 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 9: at training, Cable was like, you know, this team is 129 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 9: pretty goo, like they it looks like they can play 130 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 9: complimentary football on both sides. Just by the way the 131 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 9: offense is being constructed. You see the big shots that 132 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 9: they're able to take with the speed, guys like Brandon Cooks, 133 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 9: and it wasn't only him. Cavante Turpin was getting super 134 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 9: involved in the offense. We saw a glimpse of that 135 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 9: in San Francisco, but I expected maybe a bit a 136 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 9: little bit more of that at this point. And then 137 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 9: Jalen Tolbert. I expected him to be a little bit 138 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 9: more ingrained in the offense as well. But I think 139 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 9: you could say that for any of the pass catchers 140 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 9: at this point. As far as defense, the defensive side, 141 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 9: Treyvon Diggs. Obviously, that injury hurts and that affects expectations 142 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 9: in the secondary, But overall, I don't feel like my 143 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 9: overall expectations declined whenever he was, you know, put out 144 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 9: of the picture. The pass rush, you know, it's been 145 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 9: up and down at times. Again, it's been like a 146 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 9: Jekyll and Hyde, it feels like, but whenever they're on 147 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 9: it's it's one of the best defenses in football. 148 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: What about the tight end room, Yeah, because like we 149 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: talk about it on the players lounges of like, Okay, 150 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: Dalton Schultz was should we pay him? 151 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: Should we not? But quarterbacks, the good ones. 152 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: They need those outlets, right, those guys who are the 153 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 3: safety blankets. Romo had it with Whinden, You see Kelsey, 154 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: You see all these teams Goddard with with Philly, they 155 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: have those guys. And you expected with Dalton Schultz leaving 156 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: us drafting a guy in the second round of school 157 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: and then also having hinder shot in Ferguson saying, Okay, 158 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,559 Speaker 3: Dak Prescott's going to have his guy stressed and seem 159 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: if not, he's still going to have that safety outlet, 160 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: and we haven't seen it. And to me, I think 161 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: that is a huge, a huge thing as far as 162 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: what Dak Prescott has not been able to do in 163 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 3: the offense. 164 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 6: But as you say that, my thought is, I think, yes, schoonmaker, hindershot. 165 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 6: I don't think they've played up to Pat. I don't 166 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 6: think they've been where you would have expected them to be. 167 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 6: I think Ferguson has been as good as you would 168 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 6: want him to be at this point in his career. 169 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: I think he's given you that. 170 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 6: I actually don't know if Dak even uses him as 171 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 6: much as he's available to him. 172 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: I think there are plays when you see. 173 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 6: Ferguson gets open and that goes somewhere else with the 174 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 6: ball for whatever reason. Sometimes it's completion, sometimes it's not. 175 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 6: I don't know that I look at Ferguson and say 176 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 6: he can't give you. The only area where I think 177 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 6: Ferguson is not giving you what you had previously is 178 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 6: in the red zone, and that's part of the red 179 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 6: zone problems. Maybe you're not getting that same level of 180 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 6: production from your tight ends in the red zone. But 181 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 6: other than that, I think you're getting what you wanted 182 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 6: from fergus. 183 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: So, yeah, so I think I don't think it's I 184 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: don't think it's the players. I think it's the comfort, comfortable, 185 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: comfortableability with the player, right, because that Schultz is Dak's guy, right, 186 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: So you have to then work to be have that 187 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: connection with that with that person. 188 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 4: Right. 189 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: Whitten and Romo had that connection to where Witten could 190 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: close it. 191 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 4: I mean Romo could close his eyes. 192 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: And he would know exactly where Witten was going to 193 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: be or if Winden was going to run the opposite 194 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: rout of what he was supposed to do. Romo knew 195 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: exactly why he was going to run that and the 196 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: ball would be there. That is just a connection thing 197 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 3: versus the skill of of what we have in the 198 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 3: tight end room. I just don't think we have that. Yeah, 199 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: and I think you had that with Dalton Schultzen. It 200 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: was growing and you could see that in the numbers 201 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: that that was Dak Prescott's guy worth the money. No, no, no, 202 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: no no, I'm not saying we should have got I'm saying, 203 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: when you look at what we're missing on the offense, 204 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: then you may be missing then that safety blanket connection 205 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: that Dak Prescott says, no matter what, no matter what, 206 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: I'm going to be able to look at this guy 207 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: or throw the ball up and he's going to figure 208 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 3: out figure out a way to come down to get 209 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: it on one of those third downs that you need 210 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: or in the red zone. 211 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 9: I think, in my opinion, I think Jake Ferguson's right 212 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 9: where he needs to be, coming into a year where 213 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 9: he's the full time starting tight end. If you had 214 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 9: asked me this time last year, hey, one of these 215 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 9: tight ends that's in the building right now, he's going 216 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 9: to be the comfortable tight end one I would have 217 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 9: lost my mind. It would be like there's no way. 218 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 9: But Ferguson he's taking that challenge. I think he's right 219 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 9: where he needs to be. He's creating that chemistry with Dak. 220 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 9: He texted him before they left Levi Stadium last week 221 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 9: and said, I'm with you to the wheels fall off, 222 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 9: and that was That was kind of huge towards not 223 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 9: only their chemistry, but you know, him being able to 224 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 9: build that, you know, on field dynamic as well. I 225 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 9: think there's I think there's a lot to be taken 226 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 9: away from that. So I like where Ferguson is at, 227 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 9: but the rest of the titands combined. I think I 228 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 9: looked at up yesterday two receptions for four yards, so 229 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 9: there's there's gotta be there's got to be some sort 230 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 9: of added added, you know, expertise there in that tight 231 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 9: end room. Scoonmaker, I think, is the guy you look at, 232 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 9: though you brought him in as a second round pick, 233 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 9: first round pick, hasn't done a whole lot either. So 234 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 9: there's there's even added pressure on to schoon Maker for 235 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 9: that for that same instance, so I want to see 236 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 9: him get a little bit more ingrained in the offense, 237 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 9: get him some red zone opportunities. He's got that big, 238 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 9: wide frame. I want to see them try to use 239 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 9: that in one on one situations. I think there's a 240 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 9: lot a lot of stuff to be played with there. 241 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting how Schultz was a fourth round pick. 242 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 7: Ferguson's a fourth round pick, and Jake's definitely ahead of 243 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 7: where Schultz was after well going into his second season. 244 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 8: So because which. 245 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so with that being the same, you know, 246 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 7: you kind of compare expectations there a little bit. But 247 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 7: really since Witten, I don't know that they've had that 248 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 7: you know, I guess they did to certain points last 249 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 7: year with Schultz, but there really was a little bit 250 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 7: of some growing pains where it was supposed to be 251 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 7: Schultz and actually it wasn't supposed to be Sulz, supposed 252 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 7: to be Jarwin and Jarwin gets hurt, and then ever 253 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 7: since then, they've been trying to find that next guy. 254 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 8: And there's just something about tight ends. 255 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 4: Man. 256 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 7: It just it's so tough to project, like who's going 257 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 7: to be good in terms of where they're drafted at. 258 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 7: You know, you know, like you see a Kyle Pitts 259 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 7: goes super high, You're thinking, oh, this guy's coming in. 260 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 7: He's about to wreck this league right now, and maybe 261 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 7: if he's in a different situation, he does. But tight 262 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 7: ends are one of those positions that it's like, I 263 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 7: guess you just keep taking swings at the bat and 264 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 7: hope that you get the right guy. I think Ferguson's 265 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 7: the right guy, But to your point, I don't know 266 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 7: if maybe he's quite right now where Schultz was when 267 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 7: he laughed. 268 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 9: You know what really hurts here is the fact that 269 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 9: you could use a receiving type tight end that really 270 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 9: excels in that part of his game but also has 271 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 9: a little bit of run block and John Stevens student, 272 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 9: I feel like he would have just been perfect at 273 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 9: this moment right now. 274 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: But between him and Overshown, I'll toss that to you. 275 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 6: Guys like both of them during training camp were where 276 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 6: guys have really stood out and you could see a 277 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 6: role for them developing. Which do you think was a 278 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 6: bigger loss for this team? 279 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 9: I would have to be Overshown, just because of the 280 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 9: injuries that have happened since then in the in the 281 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 9: second level, and they were already thin before Overshown even 282 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 9: went down, and thenfore Layton Vander esh went down, I 283 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 9: would have to say him just because there's there's probably 284 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 9: more of a role for him than John Stevens, but 285 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 9: both of them do hurt in their own respective ways. 286 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's overshown for me because not only 287 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 7: the way he was playing, but there was something about 288 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 7: like kind of a swagger I thought he would have 289 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 7: brought with his playmaking ability that I wonder a little 290 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 7: bit if they lost some of that with Digs going 291 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 7: down to you know in that Niners game, it's like 292 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 7: you watch a Niners game, You're not like, oh, if 293 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 7: they have Trayvon Diggs, then this game's totally different. Not 294 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 7: from a playing standpoint, maybe that the game is totally different, 295 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 7: but I do think that that was like a major 296 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 7: blow to this team because he brings something that is 297 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 7: a little bit of a swagger, a little bit of 298 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 7: an energy that's a little bit different. And then Overshown 299 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 7: I think would have done the same thing where you 300 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 7: just have these ballhawks on different levels making these big 301 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 7: time plays, and I think it's taken them a little 302 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 7: bit to get over that. 303 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 8: So it would be overshown for me. 304 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. Same here. 305 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: I think when you see the impact that Overshwan was 306 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: having in the preseason, you say, okay, if he can 307 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: translate that then to the regular season, then you have 308 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: a very strong linebacking corps. And then you look at 309 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 3: the teams that have good defenses or great defenses, those 310 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: linebackers are flying around. I just remember watching Tampa with 311 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: with Devin White right on the sideline. The sideline you're 312 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: watching Fred Warner now up there with San Francisco, Like, 313 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: the lineback and position can change the game for you. 314 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: And when you look at the guy like Overshowing, you're like, 315 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 3: oh man, that's the expectation for this guy. Maybe a 316 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: little should be a little bit higher than what we 317 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: thought it should be. So with him going down, I 318 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: think that was a huge especially with now Lve and 319 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 3: then now you have the Mount Clark as a young 320 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: guy and they're kind of kind of taking the reins. 321 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 3: It's just hard to make up for a. 322 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 4: Guy like that. 323 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 6: Frankly, that was what overshown was that Texas was that 324 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 6: kind of fly around got always around the ball, always 325 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 6: making plays. So it wasn't really a shock to me 326 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 6: to see it when he got here, but certainly it 327 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 6: was a shock to see it happened that soon and 328 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 6: him to start flashing that early and flashing as often 329 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 6: as he did, so I really think that's a huge 330 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 6: loss for them. We're gonna take our first break when 331 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 6: we come back. I got a lot of questions for 332 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 6: these guys. 333 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 4: We're gonna roll through. 334 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 6: Some of these talk about what we think has happened 335 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 6: to this team over the first trimester. 336 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: Well, then when we come back. 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My 397 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 6: first question for you guys is I want you to 398 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 6: rank these in order of most meaningful win. New York Giants, 399 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 6: New York Jets, New England Patriots, Los Angeles Chargers top 400 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 6: to bottom most meaningful win. 401 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 4: Chargers. 402 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: First looking at the Jets, now, I think the Jets 403 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: was a was a was a good win because their 404 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: defense is playing really well. Giants and then Patriots. I 405 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: don't know what's going on with the Patriots by everybody, 406 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, those type of those blue 407 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: bows don't seem as as as significant as they did 408 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 3: at the beginning of the season. 409 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 4: So that's what I got. 410 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 8: I agree with the first too. 411 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 7: I got the Patriots just above the Giants only because 412 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 7: when they played the Patriots, you know, they still had 413 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 7: oh my god, it's blanking me Graham, Grand Valley State kid, 414 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 7: Matthew Judon, and they still had Christian goan Zales, and 415 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 7: so I think that was a little bit he that's true. 416 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: That's true. Do you got the first or second quarter? 417 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 8: It was early yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just to 418 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 8: hand Belichick that worst loss. That's the only reason why. 419 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 7: And also I just don't really think too much of 420 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 7: the Giants, so that's why they're just last there. 421 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 8: But now I agree with you on the Chargers. 422 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 7: I I'm not saying that anybody should do this, but 423 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 7: I often go into games going, Okay, who's got the 424 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 7: better quarterback, and I thought the Cowboys had a really 425 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 7: good chance to win that game, but I did not 426 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 7: think that Justin Herbert would play that poorly. And so 427 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 7: because of that, I was like, man, that's gonna be 428 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 7: a impressive when you can get that, especially coming off 429 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 7: the Niners the Niners loss, so I would have that there. 430 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 7: And then also just because looking back on the Jets now, 431 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 7: you're like, man, that's looks like a pretty good win. 432 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 8: I guess that defense a lot better than a lot 433 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 8: of people thought. 434 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 9: So yeah, I had to take the Chargers win first 435 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 9: as well to the same points as you guys made, 436 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 9: you know, being able to bounce back off the Niners 437 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 9: loss and going into the bye week, all those things. 438 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 9: For me, Number two is the Patriots win because of 439 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 9: the Trayvon Diggs injury and then being able to bounce 440 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 9: back and show that the defense still can perform to 441 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 9: a high level and Deron Blant still can fill in, 442 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 9: you know, for for injured guys and play well. And 443 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 9: those two interceptions were huge, and I think that gave 444 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 9: confidence that entire defensive unit, even if they kind of 445 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 9: lost a little bit up the next week. But the 446 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 9: third third out of the Jets and then fourth Giant. 447 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 3: I just because I want to just push back a 448 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 3: little bit with this. Patriots did they? So we gave 449 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: Bill bail to check his worst loss, and what happened 450 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 3: the next week stink worse. 451 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: It was worse. 452 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 4: Its close. 453 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 9: I think it's the worst than McCarthy are. 454 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: Ok yeah, And I'm like, wait, so the Patriots again, 455 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 3: And then I'm looking at it and I'm saying, Okay, 456 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 3: as it's happened, You're like, oh, this is impressive. 457 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: And then the next week they go get smoked and 458 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: I'm like. 459 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 3: I wanted to have some positive like take away from this, 460 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: and now they wouldn't got smoked again. 461 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 4: The same thing with the Giants. They wouldn't. You know, 462 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: they playoff team last year. 463 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 3: Then you go into the first game, you're like, okay, 464 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: we just beat the playoff team like that, and they 465 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: one got forty put on them again. Like a couple 466 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: of weeks later, you're like, us, what does this mean 467 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 3: about us? 468 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know. Patriots. 469 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 6: Next question, which problem area do you think is most 470 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 6: urgently in need of being fixed? The red zone offense penalties? 471 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 6: Right now, they are thirty first in the NFL and 472 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 6: penalties per game, or the offensive line. 473 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 9: I'll start here and say penalties, just because it seems 474 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 9: like every time I was looking up on Sunday night, 475 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 9: yellow flags just all over the place. There's got to 476 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 9: be some sort of discipline emphasis going into this bye week. 477 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 9: They've been talking about it since the Arizona game. Mike 478 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 9: McCarthy has he said one of the plays lights as 479 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 9: the team penalties and we got to clean those up. 480 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 9: And even in some of the wins, like the penalties 481 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 9: have really put them behind in some certain areas. It 482 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 9: almost cost them the game on Monday nights. So for me, 483 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 9: it's got to be penalties. But I understand the case 484 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 9: for either of the other two. 485 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, penalties for me, just because I don't even think 486 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 7: it's just this year thing. It's been the last few years. 487 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 7: I mean, that was a huge issue, and that lost 488 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 7: to the Niners at AT and T Stadium. Remember when 489 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 7: the fans were throwing stuff. I mean obviously there was 490 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 7: some you know issues there. I just maybe I'm biased 491 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 7: because of since I've covered the team, I've only covered 492 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 7: two eage coaches. It's Jason Garrett and Mike McCarthy, and 493 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 7: they're definitely on those Mondays after games when we go 494 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 7: do the walk up with Jason Garrett, there was plenty 495 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 7: of like complaints and stuff about the penalties and things 496 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 7: like that. I just don't remember as many times where 497 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 7: Wisconsin like, well, double digit penalties here, you know, and 498 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 7: especially the pre snap stuff. I mean, and I know 499 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 7: that that bothers Mike McCarthy the most. It's the lining 500 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 7: up off sides, false starts and things like that. So 501 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 7: that for me is clearly number one, because I mean, 502 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 7: I think if the offense stays healthy, I do think 503 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 7: that the red zone will figure itself out. 504 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 8: The longer these guys play together. 505 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 7: If you can keep that offensive line healthy, I do 506 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 7: think that I'll figure itself out. The penalty thing, though, 507 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 7: I can't sit here and such say today that I 508 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 7: think it's gonna be any better five weeks from now. 509 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going I would say offense because we did 510 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: expect I did expect more. But then if you're gonna 511 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 3: play this type of offense whereas conservative and you plan 512 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 3: to the hands of your defense, then you can't afford 513 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 3: to be behind the sticks. You can't afford to then 514 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: extend drops on defense as well, because that is not 515 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 3: what you're playing to. So I think it's more important 516 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 3: and more impactful for you to take care of what 517 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: you're doing in the penalty with your penalty numbers, because 518 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 3: third and fifteen, first and fifteen are you make a 519 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: big play and then all of a sudden you get 520 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: a holding call that sets you back when you're not 521 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 3: that explosive on offense. You need to make sure that 522 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 3: you have that cleaned up, so, you know, because I 523 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: don't know how much faith we have in converting a 524 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 3: third and fifteen. 525 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, it'd be different if like some of these penalties 526 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 9: were not you know, or if they were you know, 527 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 9: part of the game. You know, physical pass interference as 528 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 9: those happens to every team, Like I wouldn't be worried 529 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 9: about that if it happened once or twice a game. 530 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 9: But it's the lining up off sides, so twelve men 531 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 9: on the field, having to burn a time out so 532 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 9: you can get the right guys on the field. It's 533 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 9: it's not it's lining up on the line of scrimmage 534 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 9: when you shouldn't be. It's just it's the little things 535 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 9: and that's just discipline at the end of the day. 536 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 9: That that's something that got to work. 537 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 3: I remember Kevin Joseph did that and we were like, 538 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: oh goodness, grazy Kevin Joseph. Of course right because he 539 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 3: would get a penalty on defense, penalty on specal seams. 540 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 4: We thought it was over and I was like, wait, 541 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: hold on, wait, not curse. 542 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, exact same side of the field playing man and 543 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: man covers lined up outside. So I think it's a 544 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: it's an attention to detailed thing and also then the 545 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: lack of focus, but that is something I think you 546 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: can get fixed, especially from a veteran guy. 547 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: So hopefully you won't see any more. 548 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 3: Of those, but if you do, yeah, I know it's 549 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: a it's just like like you said, it's not just 550 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 3: this year. This has been a couple of year thing 551 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: of dealing with penalties with Mike McCarthy. 552 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 7: Yeah, fourteen for fourteen penalties eight nine yards in that. 553 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 7: I just looked it up for that nine game two 554 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 7: years ago in the playoff. It was such a huge 555 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 7: part of that game, and that's when I really kind 556 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 7: of was like, maybe this is just the style that 557 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 7: they want to play. There's always I've always had that belief, 558 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 7: but like the Seattle, you know, back end of the defense, like, hey, 559 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 7: we're gonna be physical, but I bet you don't call 560 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 7: all these I bet you don't throw all these flags, 561 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 7: and a lot of times they don't. 562 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 8: And to be honest with you, I think the Niners 563 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 8: kind of play that. 564 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 7: Way a little bit too, where they get real grabby 565 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 7: on the back end and they're just like, well, they're 566 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 7: not gonna throw a flag in all this. That's one style. 567 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 7: The other is all the pre snap stuff. You can't 568 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 7: have that, you know. 569 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, I'm I'm actually kind of surprised that 570 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 6: none of you guys took the red zone offense, just 571 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 6: because it goes back to what you are arguing, Danny, 572 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 6: when you're gonna play the style of game where you're 573 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 6: gonna say, we're going to be a little we're not 574 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 6: gonna be as explosive offensively, we're going to play into 575 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 6: the hands of our defensive special teams, gonna get short fields, 576 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 6: give our offense opportunity to get scores. To me, it 577 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 6: becomes even more important when you get in red zone, 578 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 6: especially when you get in goal to go situations. You 579 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 6: gotta score. You gotta score touchdowns. You can't settle for 580 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 6: field goals. And to me, I think that's a bigger 581 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 6: problem when you start thinking about it, because how many 582 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 6: games this year with the Cowboys have scored even more 583 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 6: points than what they scored If the offense just could 584 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 6: have taken advantage of the opportunities that were there before them, 585 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 6: I think that really is the biggest issue. 586 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: I'm the fool here because I love dan Quinn so 587 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: much that I'm like, even when we get in it, 588 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 3: like when the red zone problems are there and they 589 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 3: were kicking field goals, I was saying, hey, man, in 590 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: every drive with a kick in your team, if your 591 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: defense plays how we expect them to play, has a 592 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 3: shot in any game, right, So if you get down 593 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: there instead of going forward on fourth and fourth and whatever, 594 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 3: if you kick a field go and leave with three, 595 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 3: I still think that you got a shot at winning 596 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 3: the game. So I was okay with the field goals 597 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 3: and not scoring the touchdowns. I thought when I thought 598 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: that our defense was always going to be a that's. 599 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 6: My question, like, do you guys still think that this 600 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 6: defense is as special as we may have thought it 601 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 6: was earlier in the season. 602 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 2: I know after week two I was. 603 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 6: Saying, hey, that we might be watching their ascension to 604 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 6: being the best defense in the league and maybe one 605 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 6: of those defenses that you talk about years down the road. 606 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 6: I don't know that I believe that anymore. What do 607 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 6: you guys fall with this defense? 608 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely not. It's not the Legion of Doom or 609 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 9: the eighty five Bears that they were trying we were 610 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 9: all trying to compare them to. After Week two, it's 611 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 9: not that, for sure. My expectations have changed. But I 612 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 9: think a little bit goes into the complimentary football that 613 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 9: the offense has been giving them. I mean, in that 614 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 9: first half against the Niners, my goodness, like they were. 615 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 9: I can't I can't fault them for any of their 616 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 9: faults that they had. Even when they were backed up 617 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 9: into the red zone off that Tony Pollard fumble, Jordan 618 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 9: Lewis was able to force the McCaffrey fumble and get 619 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 9: give the offense another opportunity and another three now. So 620 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 9: there just needs to be a little bit better complimentary 621 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 9: football from the offensive side. But that doesn't mean the 622 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 9: defense is perfect. The run defense has been up and down. 623 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 9: That they were able to limit Eckler, they were largely 624 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 9: able to limit McCaffrey until you know later in the game, 625 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 9: Jordan Mason came in and got some extra run and 626 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 9: then in the Cardinals game that kind of speaks for itself. 627 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 9: But if they can just have consistency in that run game, 628 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 9: I think they'll be fine. I think they can still 629 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 9: be a top five defense in this league. I'm confident 630 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 9: than that. They just need to find a little bit 631 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 9: of consistency. 632 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I worry about us playing the upper echelon teams. 633 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: As we said, the teams that they played at the 634 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 3: beginning when we thought that they were going to be 635 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 3: this generational defense and then we figure out that those 636 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 3: teams are also playing that way against other teams. Is 637 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: where I'm like, okay, well the confidence went down. Then 638 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: then you lose Trayvon Di's and you're like, okay, all right, 639 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see what that is a huge loss 640 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: because we know at any given time Trayvon dis can 641 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 3: then get an interception or take that interception back for seven. Right, 642 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: he's an eight entire like he could change the entire game. 643 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 3: So I don't feel as confident playing against a team 644 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: like Detroit. Like there I say, like, oh wait, we're 645 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 3: talking about the Detroit Lions. Like when you get to 646 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: playing those teams, the Eagles, maybe the Rams. I don't 647 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 3: feel as comfortable as I felt before because I was like, 648 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 3: we can shut anybody out after the first two games, 649 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: but we can hold them to zero. And now I 650 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 3: don't feel as confident and then. But the great thing 651 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 3: about it is we won't be playing the forty nine 652 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 3: ers again until possibly the playoffs. And I think that 653 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: is a that's an offense that just gives you problems, 654 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 3: especially when you have young guys out there playing and 655 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: they have to figure out how to read pulling tackles 656 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: and then not see the go sweep coming across. I 657 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: think that was that was played a lot into why 658 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 3: they were able to make some of the players that 659 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: they did. 660 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 9: I'll tell you this, every time I watched the Miami Dolphins, 661 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 9: I just dread Christmas Eve. I just that's gonna be 662 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 9: tough because this defense that struggles with speed that they've 663 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 9: proven it so far this season, and that is probably 664 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 9: the fastest team in football history. 665 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 6: And not only that, you think about what they've done 666 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 6: over the first this defense has been solid in a 667 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 6: lot of areas win area. I think that doesn't get 668 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 6: talked about a lot. Is they lose receivers downfield regularly. 669 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: Every game. 670 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 6: It tends to happen at least once or twice. This 671 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 6: last game they didn't get burned by, but Keenan Allen 672 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 6: had two plays where he beat them downfield. Should have 673 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 6: been a touchdown on at least one of them them 674 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 6: in my opinion. And when you start playing teams that 675 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 6: are but by the way you think about the quarterbacks 676 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 6: and the wide receiver tandems that you've played so far, 677 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 6: they're nothing compared to what you're gonna face as the 678 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 6: season goes on, right with the Eagles, with the with 679 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 6: the Bills, with the Chargers, like, there's gonna be some 680 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 6: some teams that have real walk quarterback wide receiver duos 681 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 6: that that can that are extremely dangerous. If the Cowboys 682 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 6: don't get that part fixed on the back end, that's 683 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 6: gonna be a problem and that will be exposed as defense. 684 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 6: I think in a way that they haven't really been 685 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 6: exposed at this point. 686 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Keenan Allen and and Justin Herbert before they 687 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: got to that game on Monday, unreal. And I don't 688 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: even watch the Chargers like that, but I do have 689 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: Keenan Allen on my fantasy football. 690 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 4: Team, So I know, I know he's having a hell 691 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 4: of a season. 692 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 3: And if Justin Herbert does hit that the one it 693 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 3: was a double move on he fell down and if 694 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: you hit that, if you hit that, then the game 695 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 3: is different, right, So yeah, you are going to play 696 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: against some teams. 697 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,239 Speaker 4: Where you're hit. 698 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 3: They're here, they they're not missing that one. Justin Herbert 699 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: had a very bad day. That was the problemly an anomaly, 700 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 3: and thankfully he had it against us because it helped 701 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: us going to the Bible with the win. 702 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 4: But yes, you are, Yes, we saw it with Kittle. 703 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 6: Kittle got open on that on the one play where 704 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 6: it's like who's to be covering. Everybody was in man coverage, 705 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 6: but it looked like he was in And it was 706 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 6: just those situations where they lose receivers in the back 707 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 6: end of the defense and then those things can turn 708 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 6: to really big plays when you're playing really competent offense. 709 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 7: And I don't think you can be a generational defense 710 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 7: if to have that game against Arizona not in week three. 711 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 7: You don't need wake up calls in week three of 712 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 7: your generational defense. Like everybody says, defense travels, I mean 713 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 7: you can have a bad game, but it it can't 714 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 7: look like that. I'm sorry, not against Joshua Dobbs and 715 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 7: that crew, and I mean no disrespect to them, but 716 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 7: I mean, look what they've done since then. 717 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 8: That can't happen, and not. 718 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 7: If you're going to be on that you know, like 719 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 7: the Ravens Bucks, those great you know Seahawks defenses. 720 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I wonder how much of it is initiated 721 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 9: in the secondary, in the back end, by maybe them 722 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 9: expecting the pass rush to get home a little bit 723 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 9: quicker on other times, because you look at the games 724 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,479 Speaker 9: that they've won, it's the pass rush that's kind of 725 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 9: started the momentum there, and then the secondary is able 726 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 9: to play more physical, They're able to come up and 727 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 9: you know, lose some guys downfield as a result. But 728 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 9: justin Herbert, yeah he had a bad game on Monday night, 729 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 9: But how much wasn't attributed to that pass rush getting home. 730 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 9: I think they had seventeen pressures in total, and when 731 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 9: they have more than fifteen pressures and stan Quinn's been here, 732 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 9: they're seventeen and two. So whenever they get home, it 733 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 9: allows that secondary to be a little bit more physical 734 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 9: a little bit more aggressive, but it's going to burn them. 735 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 9: And it burned them against Arizona and that Marco Wilson's 736 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 9: sixty nine yard reception, and it's gonna burn them again. 737 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 9: It's just it's kind of a nature of just having 738 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 9: that type of defense. But you look at the Niners. 739 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 9: They play the exact same way. They have an aggressive 740 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 9: pass rush and their secondary plays aggressive too. They don't 741 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 9: give up those big plays. So there's got to be 742 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 9: something on the back end that gets fixed. 743 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm glad you wrapped that Wilson play though, because 744 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 7: that was a big backbreaker when that defense was really 745 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 7: starting to get momentum playing well. They overcame what they 746 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 7: did in the first half, and then you have that 747 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 7: and you're just like. 748 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 9: I think it was third down too, It's like all right. 749 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 7: And the other thing is too, is that I always 750 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 7: complain about this, like it's it's just tough to see 751 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 7: some of the stuff when you're watching it, like on TV, 752 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 7: when you're up in the press box and you're just 753 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 7: seeing you just see some of the stuff before it happened, 754 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 7: just like, oh, why is that guy? If anybody within 755 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 7: twenty five yards, agad does anybody else see that. Anybody 756 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 7: else see that? And then he throws you just like, oh, 757 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 7: that's not gonna be great for them there. So yeah, 758 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 7: just because the defense overcame things but then still had that. 759 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 7: That's another reason why I just it's hired for me 760 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 7: to say. I will say though, I thought that going 761 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 7: into the season. Now going into next season, with what 762 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 7: I think they'll be able to keep you get over 763 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 7: shown back and digs, I do think it does have 764 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 7: the pieces there in spots to be one of those 765 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 7: type defenses. 766 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 8: I just don't think it's there yet. 767 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna take our final break. 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We are in the final segment of 822 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: the break Reel Lives from the s WBC studios. 823 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 6: At the start, I got my special guest here today, 824 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 6: Danny McCrae, Nick Harris, John Maschota, and they'll be with 825 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 6: us today and then again on Monday. We're not gonna 826 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 6: have shows on Thursday and Friday this week. I know 827 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 6: the fans are gonna hit me up about that, but 828 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 6: I think it's important to give our guys a little 829 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 6: time to kind of regroup and uh and get their 830 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 6: live together. 831 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 9: What are you doing me? 832 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna sit on my couch. 833 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 9: There we go and do. 834 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you're not going back to New York. 835 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 15: No. 836 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 4: Last night, half one. Last week. 837 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 6: My daughter's in college. This I went go see her 838 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 6: for parents weekend. I've been traveling between games and going 839 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 6: to see her. Like I've been traveling a lot lately. 840 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 6: I'm very happy to go just sit somewhere. 841 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 2: And just sit. 842 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 4: Okay, so here we go. 843 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 6: Next question I have for you guys, what do you 844 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 6: think is a more impactful injury and you can talk 845 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 6: about it to this point, but also projecting down the 846 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 6: line based on what you've seen between Leyton Vandersh and 847 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 6: Trayvon Diggs. 848 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: Not necessarily the best player. 849 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 6: Between the two, but which one is going to be 850 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 6: more impactful as far as they're the they're loss to 851 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 6: the team. 852 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 4: LV. 853 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 3: To me, I think when you look back at this 854 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 3: team over the last two years, the thing that you 855 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 3: try to fix on defense has been the run game. 856 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 3: You go out and draft Mosi Smith in the first 857 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 3: round because you're like, hey, in order for us to 858 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 3: compete and make it deeper in the playoffs and we 859 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 3: play against these physical teams Philly and the forty nine ers, 860 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 3: we need to be able to stop the run. Well, Lady, 861 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 3: vanders is a huge piece of you stopping to run 862 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 3: and your inability to do that. If that's what the 863 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 3: effect of not having LV is, then that's used for 864 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: you because you've on defense, you feel like that is 865 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 3: what stopped you from being better and moving further in 866 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 867 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 4: So I think it's LV. 868 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's LV too, and it's just because 869 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 7: of the I mean, you go back to the way 870 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 7: the team look going into training camp, and at that 871 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 7: time you were like, man, it looks kind of thin 872 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 7: at linebacker, looks kind of thin at linebacker, and then overshown, 873 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 7: captain proven, and you're like, Okay, they got some depth here. 874 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 8: They're gonna be okay. 875 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 7: Then you lose him and you're just like, who it 876 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 7: looks pretty thin again. Now, I will say Mark east 877 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 7: Bell has definitely exceeded my expectations, but I just still 878 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 7: think that there is better death with and and it 879 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 7: kind of factors in just the way Jeron Bland's played 880 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 7: like he's just picked up right where he left off 881 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 7: and he continues to exceed my expectations as well. 882 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 8: So because of. 883 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 7: That, I still think they can get the takeaways that 884 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 7: they've been able to do so well the last couple 885 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 7: of years, which I never thought I would say that 886 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 7: if you told me that Digs is gone and you know, 887 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 7: after a couple of games end of the season. But 888 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 7: they do have enough of those playmakers on the back end. 889 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 7: But I still have concerns about linebacker. 890 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm there too, with Layton being the more impactful injury. 891 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 9: I love what Marky's belt did against the Chargers like, 892 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 9: do not get me wrong. I think he could make 893 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 9: an argument he was the best player for the Cowboys 894 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 9: on Monday Night. You know, he was filling running lanes, 895 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 9: he was stepping back into coverage, he was reading things 896 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 9: pre snap. He was doing everything you wanted him to do. 897 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 9: But it's hard to expect that from him every single 898 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 9: game out, especially whenever the speed ramps up when you 899 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 9: played teams like Buffalo, Miami, Philadelphia, and when the scheme 900 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 9: kind of ramps up with teams like Miami and Detroit 901 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 9: and things like that. So I kind of worry about 902 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 9: Marque's spelt long term going into the season at that 903 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,479 Speaker 9: linebacker position. And again, he's undersized, and you know that's 904 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 9: that's gonna be tough whenever you're going up against those 905 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 9: really physical runners that will probably plow through Bell a 906 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 9: couple times and he's gonna get his bell wrong. But 907 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,360 Speaker 9: I think I think that's got to be the more 908 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 9: impactful injury. And also again factoring in what Deron Blant 909 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 9: has done so far, he's been he's been incredible. I 910 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 9: think they got a young star there. It's crazy to 911 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 9: think that easily the third best cornerback on this team 912 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 9: is leading the NFL in interceptions since the startup last season. 913 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 9: So no, I really like what Darron Blan's done. 914 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 3: I do hate to imagine Deron blanet slot and Trayvon 915 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: Digg still outside. Yeah, just just what with Stephan, Like 916 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 3: the dreams that you have about like the turnover ability 917 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 3: and ability to lack of players down with having all 918 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 3: three of those on the field, I'm sure they'll be 919 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 3: dreaming about it going in the next year, But like I, 920 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 3: we're missing a lot with. 921 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 9: I'll tell you this, this is something I've been kind 922 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 9: of thinking about over the course the last couple of 923 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 9: weeks as de Ron Bland is just ramped up and 924 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,480 Speaker 9: looked really good. Does he play so well this season 925 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 9: that you let Gilmour walk after a year and just 926 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 9: put him on the boundary or would you rather have 927 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 9: Bland in the slot and bring back Gilmore and have 928 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 9: all three of them together. 929 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 6: Well, you know, it brings up an interesting question because 930 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 6: I know on our show we were talking yesterday about 931 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 6: Gilmore and Brian was making the point that he's starting 932 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 6: to see some things that suggest to him that Gilmore 933 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 6: may have some challenges as the season wears on. 934 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: That being said, I think then. 935 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 6: Your question becomes even more apparent if not only is 936 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 6: Bland playing much better or playing showing you that he 937 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 6: can play on the outside in a real great way 938 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 6: for this team. In addition to that, maybe Gilmore isn't 939 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 6: as great as maybe wanted him to be or thought 940 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 6: he should be. How does that affect him. 941 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 3: I gotta see Gilmore because I see those same things. 942 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 3: But it's Gilmore, right. I have to see him then 943 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 3: play for the rest of the season before I can 944 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 3: say I'm not sure, because him losing a step is 945 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 3: still probably going to be better than whoever you bring 946 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 3: in here, especially if it's a young guy. If we 947 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,840 Speaker 3: can get Gilmore playing how he's playing now right, whereas 948 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 3: they're not attacking him, he still can go out there 949 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 3: and turn the ball over and you can get darn 950 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 3: Bland inside because do you remember so Orlando Scandrick was here, 951 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 3: how many they fought tooth and nail to make sure 952 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 3: that he stayed here. Because the importance of having somebody 953 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 3: who can really play that nickel position is huge for 954 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 3: your defense. That allows you to do so many things. 955 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,479 Speaker 3: So if you can get a guy like Darron Bland 956 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 3: and still have Gilmore, I think you try to do that. 957 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: But that all is if Gilmore continues to play and 958 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 3: he's serviceable. Right, if you get out there and for 959 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 3: the next six weeks of the season and you're like, 960 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 3: oh man, we're in trouble, then yeah, d ron Bland 961 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 3: probably is going outside. 962 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, when you play those teams that we were talking 963 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 6: about earlier that have those real speed guys out at 964 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 6: wide receiver, that's when it gets real challenging. Because I 965 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,480 Speaker 6: think even when you had Digs, my concern was when 966 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 6: you play faster receivers, Gilmore going to be able to 967 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 6: keep up? If you're taking fast receivers and sending them 968 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 6: cross field, is he going to be able to carry 969 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 6: that guy? And I don't know what the answer is 970 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 6: to that. I'm seeing things that suggested maybe that's going 971 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 6: to be a. 972 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 2: Challenge for him. 973 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 9: I think the one thing you can look at from 974 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 9: Gilmore so far that will give you a little bit 975 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 9: of positivities the fact that he's not giving up anything downfield. 976 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 9: Most of the most of the stuff that he's giving 977 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 9: up in the routes and he's being beat on or comeback, 978 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 9: so it's like quick ends across the middle of the field. 979 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 9: It's the action in front of him. So as long 980 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 9: as he can stay there, I'm cool. But once he 981 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 9: starts giving up things downfield, I think does when you 982 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 9: have that conversation. 983 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 7: Man, I'm not saying it it was his fall on it, 984 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 7: but I'm pretty sure he was the one on Garrett 985 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 7: Wilson when he busted that big one across, when he 986 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 7: came across the field and busted that big touchdown. So 987 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 7: I think that if he was on a different team, 988 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 7: I'd probably have a little bit more concern, But just 989 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 7: because for me, this thing starts with the pass rush 990 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 7: and if it's there, then he should be fine back there. 991 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 7: But yeah, no, it's just funny thinking bast past this 992 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 7: season because they're gonna have some tough decisions to make 993 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 7: at several places. 994 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna give givemore just a little positive those deep 995 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 3: over routes, which I wish that we would see Brandon 996 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 3: Cooks running a little bit. Now, Yeah, it's not many guys, 997 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 3: depending on who the receiver is, who's gonna be able 998 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: to run all the way to the opposite side of 999 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 3: the field and then stay stepped the step With certain guys, absolutely, 1000 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 3: they line up in tiny end trips and then they 1001 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 3: run number three over and if you got a guy 1002 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 3: like Tyreek Hilder, the Chiefs did that repeatedly, just over 1003 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 3: and over again because you can't you can't cover. 1004 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 7: So okay, so this isn't the same thing, but so 1005 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 7: would it be somewhat similar though on the Cook's touchdown 1006 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 7: where he had to come all the way across, you know, 1007 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 7: and Dak threw it up and he had kind of 1008 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 7: a loft. It like its same deal as what you're saying, 1009 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 7: like they have to carry it. Now, you have to 1010 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 7: have a good protection from your offensive line even hold that. 1011 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 8: But to all THESS that. 1012 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 3: One kind of but they in the rezone like that, 1013 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 3: and you have to get through all the traffic. So 1014 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,720 Speaker 3: that is that is the bigger part. When they're running 1015 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 3: and then then going vertical, that is that's a foot race. 1016 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 4: That's a real foot race. 1017 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 3: The traffic then helps those guys when they do those 1018 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 3: shallow crosses. Yeah, but like I said, when you see 1019 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill run that deep over, if you see if 1020 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 3: you give it to Ceede lambarv Brandon, because guys like that, 1021 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: then I think you'll see if somebody's in man that 1022 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 3: deep safety, he either has to jump that that number 1023 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 3: three going across or it's open every time. 1024 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do about it. 1025 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 6: All Right, one more question I wanted to get to 1026 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 6: before we end the show today. Right now, Dallas is 1027 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 6: ranked twenty first in rush yards per carry at three 1028 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 6: point nine yards. What do you think is the biggest 1029 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 6: factor that needs to improve to improve the rushing attack, 1030 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 6: the offensive line, the running backs, or. 1031 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 9: The play calling go ahead. 1032 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 7: I just think if the offensive line, if by some 1033 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,799 Speaker 7: miraculous chance, since it doesn't happen, I'm saying it's miraculous 1034 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 7: if you could keep that starting five together that's finally 1035 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 7: been together now for these last two games, I think 1036 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 7: it will gradually get better. The issue is is that 1037 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 7: seems like it's hoping for a lot with the way 1038 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 7: they've had so many injuries over the last couple of 1039 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 7: years there, And so if that happens and it just well, 1040 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,719 Speaker 7: you know, every week you don't know who's starting at 1041 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 7: right tackle or whatever, I think it's going to be 1042 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 7: tough to really get it going because it really hasn't 1043 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 7: been there. But I do think that those guys, those 1044 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 7: five are talented enough that if they can keep working together, 1045 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 7: eventually something will click. It's not going to be, you know, 1046 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 7: like it was with DeMarco Murray or Zeke at the 1047 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 7: beginning of Zeke's career where they were leading the league, 1048 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 7: but good enough that it helps the rest of the 1049 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 7: offense if you can keep that five healthy. 1050 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 9: For me, it's the play calm because whenever you look 1051 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 9: at when Kellen Moore and Zeke were here, it was 1052 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,919 Speaker 9: Zeke was going to be that downhill physical guy here 1053 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 9: in the last couple of years, and then once Tony 1054 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,839 Speaker 9: Pollard started to ascend, you were like, Okay, we can 1055 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 9: be creative in the run game. We can throw in 1056 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 9: some hitches into this offense that we haven't been able 1057 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 9: to do before. And that creativity has just been completely 1058 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,439 Speaker 9: evaporated in this offense. And they're treating Pollard almost like Zeke, 1059 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 9: like he's not a downhill guy and he can get 1060 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 9: you yards if you need him to get you yards. 1061 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 9: But I want to see him on the outside. I 1062 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 9: want to see counters. I feel like we haven't run 1063 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 9: counter one time this year I think two draws by 1064 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,799 Speaker 9: my account, So get him open in space and let 1065 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 9: him see some things at work. And I think it 1066 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 9: also factors in with the receiving game as well. I 1067 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 9: know this is talking about the running game specifically, but 1068 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:44,840 Speaker 9: there's so many things that they could do in the 1069 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 9: receiving game with Poller that they haven't been able to do. 1070 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 9: I was I think I mentioned it on Talking Cowboys yesterday. 1071 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,560 Speaker 9: After that sixty yard reception on Monday night, I was 1072 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 9: kind of sad because I was like, we're not going 1073 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 9: to see that because that was improvisation and it was 1074 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,320 Speaker 9: just Dak finding a guy that was open across the 1075 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 9: middle of the field. There's opportunities to do that with Pollard. 1076 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 9: I just feel like they're not being explored. 1077 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick before you go, Danny, just to that point. 1078 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 6: I think it was back after Week three or week four, 1079 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 6: I found the stat that at that point in the season, 1080 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 6: the Cowboys that run Pollard between the tackles double the 1081 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 6: number of times they'd run him to the outside. Speaking 1082 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 6: of how they're using him, I think that's really kind 1083 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 6: of the key, is that they're using him as though 1084 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 6: he's Zeke, And it does make me wonder, Like we 1085 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 6: saw in that last game. 1086 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 2: He was in the open field. 1087 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 6: There was rarely a time I can remember in his 1088 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 6: career when he was even with the defensive guy and 1089 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,359 Speaker 6: the guy caught him and that guy when got him 1090 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 6: on that play, and even talk about after games like 1091 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,399 Speaker 6: I got to be back in the lab to figure 1092 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 6: how to turn that into a touchdown. But I do 1093 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 6: wonder if the way that they're playing him now is 1094 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 6: affected that to some degree and he's not as explosive 1095 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,879 Speaker 6: maybe or not having to show that explosiveness as much, 1096 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 6: and maybe that's affecting his level of explosiveness. 1097 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean and effort not to repeat what y'all said, 1098 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 3: mine is those but then also think your lack of 1099 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 3: ability to stress the field on offense. So I don't 1100 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 3: know if I want to call it play calling or 1101 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 3: are inability to be able to connect on those deeper routes, 1102 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 3: because we all know if you go into a game 1103 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 3: and the defense knows that you can't stretch the field, 1104 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 3: they're just gonna sit there and tempt you to do it, right, 1105 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 3: and they'll be able to run cover two. 1106 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 4: Right. 1107 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 3: If they can stop you while they're running cover two, 1108 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 3: then they're gonna run that all day, right, So you 1109 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 3: have to be able to then say, okay, they're in 1110 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,640 Speaker 3: cover too, We're gonna stretch these guys out, make them 1111 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 3: get creative on defense, and then hopefully that opens up 1112 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 3: more lanes on the offensive line. But if not, if 1113 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 3: you're not able to then say, all right, that can 1114 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 3: beat us, then they're just gonna figure out a way 1115 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 3: to stop you with the whatever they have in the box. 1116 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,240 Speaker 3: I think hopefully these gallup plays, Brandon Cooks, deep overs, 1117 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 3: maybe some longer shots, I think hopefully that will open 1118 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,680 Speaker 3: it up a little bit. But I'm with y'all on 1119 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 3: creativity in the run game, especially with a guy like Pollard. 1120 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 3: Don't run him in there like Zeke, He's not that guy. 1121 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 3: He's easy create like you can run counters, some traps, 1122 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 3: some tosses outside to get them, get him an over field, 1123 00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 3: and then fear put fear in those defenders. 1124 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 6: Yeah, they're buying large and not throwing to the deep 1125 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 6: middle of the field at all this year. There's only 1126 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 6: been a few times this year that they've done it, 1127 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 6: even tried it. 1128 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 2: And last year. 1129 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 6: If you remember in the offense that we're doing that 1130 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 6: a ton, so you're not challenging that part of defail 1131 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,839 Speaker 6: to your point, then defenses at some point just start 1132 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 6: to say they're not gonna throw there. We don't have 1133 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 6: to worry about it, and you just cover the other 1134 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 6: parts of the field, which makes it even harder to 1135 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,760 Speaker 6: do what you want to do in those parts. 1136 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,319 Speaker 4: Of the same Fran ran cover too, they ran cover too, 1137 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 4: and we didn't and we did not. We did not. 1138 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,839 Speaker 3: We did not take advantage of them running cover too, 1139 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 3: and they were stopping to run with cover too. 1140 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 4: You know. 1141 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,919 Speaker 3: So until you're able to figure that out, then yeah, 1142 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 3: you got an issue. But you should be able to 1143 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,439 Speaker 3: complete some passes and cover too. 1144 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 2: All right, appreciate you join us. We'll be back on Monday. 1145 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 6: You got lots more questions I'm gonna throw at these 1146 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,960 Speaker 6: guys till then. For Nick Carris, Johns Shoulder, Danny McCrae, IM, 1147 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 6: Derek Heilton. This has been The Break live on Dallas 1148 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 6: Cowboys dot Com Radio. 1149 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 1150 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 1151 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 3: Eight