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Speaker 1: Welcome to securing America with me, Frank Afney the problem.

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Speaker 1: That's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country

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Speaker 1: we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to the

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Speaker 1: glory of God and his Kingdom. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about His kingdom here on earth and the important place

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Speaker 1: in it of the Holy Land, the state of Israel

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Speaker 1: and the challenges that it is facing in well preserving

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Speaker 1: the Holy Land, among other things, as well as surviving

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Speaker 1: assorted enemies' efforts to destroy it. I'm must say that

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Speaker 1: whenever we talk about this subject, I think it is

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Speaker 1: absolutely imperative to understand that the enemies that are seeking

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Speaker 1: the destruction of the State of Israel make no secret

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Speaker 1: about their determination to achieve the destruction of the United

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Speaker 1: States as well. Israel is, the way I think of it,

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Speaker 1: But it's more than that, of course. It is also

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Speaker 1: a nation that is aligned with us. Its values are

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Speaker 1: our Judeo Christian values. Its form of government is our

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Speaker 1: form of government, more or less a parliamentary system, yes,

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Speaker 1: but one in which elected representatives do the work of

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Speaker 1: the people. And it is a nation whose destruction would

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Speaker 1: serve as a catalyst for every to me of this

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Speaker 1: country on the planet, not just the Sharia supremacists who

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Speaker 1: are most immediately at the throats of the Israelis, but

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Speaker 1: every enemy of our nation to be further convinced that

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Speaker 1: our doom is inevitable. So for all these reasons, I

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Speaker 1: very strongly believe that we have an urgent need to

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Speaker 1: understand what's going on with respect to Israel and yes

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Speaker 1: to support it in our interests, as well as as

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Speaker 1: we stand with an important ally in a moment of

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Speaker 1: very great peril for wealth the nation of Israel and

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Speaker 1: her people. It is against this backdrop that I am

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Speaker 1: very pleased to say we have a full hour conversation

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Speaker 1: with one of our most important contributors. His name is

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Speaker 1: Rabbi Pessikwalicki. He is the executive director of an important

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Speaker 1: organization in Israel. It's called Israel three sixty five Action.

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Speaker 1: He's a podcaster with a shoulder to shoulder program, as

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Speaker 1: he calls it, as well as a columnist for the

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Speaker 1: influential Jerusalem Post. We are privileged to have him as

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Speaker 1: one of our regular contributors. We haven't talked to him

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Speaker 1: in a while though, and just to catch up on

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Speaker 1: a whole host of front's. Rabbi, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us as always, but also for giving us

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Speaker 1: a full hour of your time to take stock on

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Speaker 1: the latest developments and looking forward to what's coming next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking forward to the conversation, Frank. Every time

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Speaker 2: we've spoken over the last few weeks, it's been short.

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Speaker 2: We haven't been able to get into the meat and

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Speaker 2: this extended time together.

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Speaker 1: Me too, Thank you. Let me start by drilling down

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Speaker 1: on what has been going on in Gaza of late.

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Speaker 1: As I know you are keenly aware as you monitor

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Speaker 1: the information battle space intensively, Israel is getting very critical reviews,

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Speaker 1: shall we say, internationally, including in this country, but it

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Speaker 1: would appear also from some at least in Israel, for

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Speaker 1: be the critical denu mantfase of it. Could you talk

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Speaker 1: I know you have a relative or two who have

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Speaker 1: even so at the moment, what is the state of

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Speaker 2: Well, Frank, let's first of all, thank you for mentioning

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Speaker 2: my family members who are fighting. I have currently two

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Speaker 2: in combat units. They're both officers, and they're right and

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Speaker 2: continue to pray for not only them, but all of

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Speaker 2: all of our fighting men who were there, men and women.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the state of play, let's start with

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Speaker 2: the diplomatic front, because it really informs what's happening on

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of speculation. NATANIAO is denying that

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Speaker 2: I would say that the entire country's kind of on eggshells.

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Speaker 2: Are we actually going to do it? Because the whole

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Speaker 2: world is losing patients. President Trump, who's been a wonderful

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Speaker 3: Got elected, is as well losing patients.

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Speaker 2: He came out with a statement the other day saying

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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks, and that's actually how most

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Speaker 3: So if it's true that Israel.

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Speaker 2: Is actually going to go in and finally finish the

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Speaker 2: gone into in full force. It's also believed that that's

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Speaker 3: Some of them are.

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Speaker 2: They've been in this war for a long time, but

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Speaker 2: there is a sense of frustration that they keep getting

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Speaker 2: yet again, they don't. When you were talking about the

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Speaker 2: I think what happened yesterday was a microcosm of what

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Speaker 2: for hitting a hospital and killing quote unquote journalists. We

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Speaker 2: they're still killing terrorists. But at the same time there's

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Speaker 3: There's been this surge.

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Speaker 2: Of aid going into the Gaza Strip, even into areas

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Speaker 3: So the calls on the one hand, when people say end.

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Speaker 3: What they use.

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Speaker 2: What they don't realize is that those two demands are

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Speaker 2: mean that's I guess that's a good starting point for

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Speaker 3: You can take it whatever prorection we want to go now.

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Speaker 1: It is the humanitarian aid is flowing in I think

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Speaker 1: principally because of these reports that are now ratcheting up endlessly,

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Speaker 1: that there's mass starvation, that famine is an affliction, you know,

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Speaker 1: really across the Gaza Strip, and that Israel is responsible

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Speaker 1: for withholding the aid. We have to take a break

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Speaker 1: here in about forty seconds, but could you give us

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Speaker 1: a quick top line response.

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Speaker 2: Well, the top line response is that the quantity of

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Speaker 2: date is far beyond what is necessary to feed the

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Speaker 2: entire population of Gaza according to the World Food Program's

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Speaker 2: own numbers. The entire starvation narrative is a hoax. It

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Speaker 2: is a lie. There's a lot of different ways that

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Speaker 2: we could slice this. We could talk about that when

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Speaker 2: we come back. And I've recently written an article it's

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Speaker 2: about to be published on this topic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, We're going to come back to it, because it

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Speaker 1: does require for all these reasons are concerted attention more

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Speaker 1: with Repipesiclicky. Right after this, we're back, and so is

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Speaker 1: Rabbi Pessik Willicki of columnists for the Jerusalem Post, where

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Speaker 1: I believe there will shortly be a piece by him

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Speaker 1: talking about this so called famine in the Gaza strip

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Speaker 1: and Israel's culpability for immense war crimes associated there. With Rabbi,

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Speaker 1: you were saying it's a hoax. Give us a little

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Speaker 1: bit more texture as to why I say that's so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I use the word hoax deliberately because a

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Speaker 2: hoax isn't just something that's false, but it's a deliberate

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Speaker 2: this is, going all the way back to the very

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Speaker 2: the way back to November and December of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: weeks old already, then the United Nations and its related

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Speaker 2: it hasn't led up. Meaning, if I take you all

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Speaker 2: already in December twenty twenty three they projected that there

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Speaker 2: then that over fifteen percent of the population, some four

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand gasins were already in Phase five food insecurity. Now,

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Speaker 2: getting into the wheeze, but it's very important. The IPC

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Speaker 2: classification system has five different levels of food insecurity. What's

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Speaker 2: called famine Phase five includes a number of criteria. One

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Speaker 2: of those criteria is that two people are dying for

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Speaker 2: that if they were right in December of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: dying of starvation every day, there should have been between

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Speaker 2: end of February twenty twenty four. A few months later,

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Speaker 2: February twenty twenty four, they upped the number to six

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Speaker 2: that there were six hundred and seventy seven thousand Gazins

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Speaker 2: who were suffering Phase five famine conditions. That would have

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Speaker 2: meant one hundred and thirty five starvation deaths every single day.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is that a study, a careful study

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Speaker 2: thirty one deaths and they were mostly due to intestinal infections.

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Speaker 2: There was no starvation deaths. That's the bottom line of this.

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Speaker 2: And this has gone on and on and on, and even.

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Speaker 1: Though let me just emphasize one point that you just

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Speaker 1: said there, sir, which is that you have actually as

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Speaker 1: support this claim, it obviously is manufactured. So bring us

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Speaker 1: up from March of twenty twenty four. This has been

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Speaker 3: So Israel was allowing in throughout.

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Speaker 2: For prisoners right exactly. The hostages were being exchanged for.

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Speaker 3: But listen to these numbers.

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Speaker 2: Now there might be people in Gaza or hungry because Hamas,

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Speaker 2: And again the UN admits that ninety percent of all

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Speaker 1: The hold and the point that you've been making throughout

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Speaker 1: So if this is concurrently taking place, and ninety percent,

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Speaker 3: Right for sure.

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Speaker 2: Look, let's also add in that according to the Article

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Speaker 2: Acording to Article twenty three of the fourth Niva Convention,

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Speaker 2: They that the consignments, meaning the aid, may be diverted

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Speaker 1: All these we have to take a short break. We

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Speaker 1: and very important contributor to this program. I think one

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Speaker 1: role as the executive director of Israel three sixty five Action. Rabbi,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about famine. I think you've made powerfully

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Speaker 1: doing what it is required to do under humanitarian law.

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Speaker 1: There are conditions under which it is titled to withhold,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just as a closing thought, there's a doctor, John

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Speaker 2: Barowski who lives in Israel, but he's a humanitarian doctor.

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Speaker 2: He served in all sorts of famine zones in various

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Speaker 2: he said that this looks nothing like what starvation looks

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Speaker 3: And that's part of the whole hoax of this. He

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Speaker 2: He also pointed out the fact that what we all

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Speaker 2: So this is when I say it's a hoax. It

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Speaker 2: food is not the issue in the Gaza strip. What

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just say, in closing on that point,

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Speaker 1: Let me turn to another aspect of that war. Israel

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about the members of the press and

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Speaker 2: And in that attack, reportedly five journalists were killed.

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Speaker 3: And I say journalists.

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Speaker 1: Who is not as a reporter covering them, Rabbi, but

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Speaker 2: Supporter participants participated. Yes, Mariam Abu Dhaka, she was a reporter.

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Speaker 2: She did work for the Associated Press. They're claiming her

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Speaker 3: That's who these people were there.

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Speaker 2: Look, this is a much larger issue in terms of

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Speaker 3: There is no such.

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Speaker 2: if you're going to give into the Kramas censorship, there

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Speaker 2: The AP refused to do that, so the AP actually

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Speaker 2: He told a few stories in an interview with him

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Speaker 2: the details of this particular hospital. The hospital that was

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Speaker 3: To and held and she and other and other.

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Speaker 2: Hostages were held in rooms at Naser Hospital. At this hospital,

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Speaker 2: The quote unquote list sewer killed. There were Hamas operatives.

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Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about when we talk about a

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Speaker 2: hospital being hit. And let me add in that I

442
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Speaker 2: am kind of frustrated at our own leadership, at the

443
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Speaker 2: Israeli leadership, both the IDF spokesman and our Prime Minister Natanyahu,

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Speaker 2: for issuing apologies for hitting this hospital. Rather than issuing apologies,

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Speaker 2: they should have just made it very clear that this

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Speaker 2: was a legitimate target because it was used as a

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Speaker 2: Hamask command center. And you know, apologizing only feeds the

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Speaker 2: narrative that Israel made some kind of mistake.

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Speaker 3: Israel did not make a mistake.

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Speaker 2: The soldiers hit it again because it was being used

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Speaker 2: by Hamas as a military was legitimate military target.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a mistake that suggests that it should have been

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Speaker 1: off limits, when in fact it's part of this operation

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Speaker 1: of Hamas to weaponize hospitals, schools, mosques and other seemingly

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Speaker 1: you know, sacrosanct areas for the purposes of waging the

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Speaker 1: war against Israel. Rabbie, let me just ask you about this.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned at the outset we're going to talk about diplomacy.

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Speaker 1: There is talk, of course that another deal is on

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Speaker 1: the table. Hamas says it has accepted it. BB apparently

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Speaker 1: has not you mentioned, you know, some concerns about you know,

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Speaker 1: is he susceptible to you know, going for it. Give

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Speaker 1: us a quick rendering of your assessment of where things

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Speaker 1: stand diplomatically at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Well, the deal that Hamas now says that they're accepting

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Speaker 2: is pretty much what we call the wit Cough deal.

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Speaker 2: It's the deal that Kamas rejected last month. That deal

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Speaker 2: would involve a return of some ten live hostages and

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Speaker 2: then a number of a number of bodies in exchange

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Speaker 2: for hundreds and hundreds of terrorists, including terrorists with blood

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Speaker 2: on their hands and most danger lead a sixty day

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Speaker 2: ceasefire and the withdrawal of Israeli troops to a perimeter

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Speaker 2: on the edges of the Gaza Strip. Now, what that

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Speaker 2: means is that during that time Hamas would be able

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Speaker 2: to consolidate, to re arm, lick its wounds, recruit more people,

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Speaker 2: reassert its control over a population that they are in

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Speaker 2: the current conditions that the IDF controls about seventy five

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Speaker 2: percent of the Gaza Strip. Hamas is struggling to retain

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Speaker 2: its control, which is a good thing. We need them

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Speaker 2: to lose all of their control. But this ceasefire deal

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Speaker 2: would be an absolute disaster at this point because at

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Speaker 2: this point in the war, Hamas is really on is

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Speaker 2: on the ropes. When Hamas rejected the deal, they rejected

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Speaker 2: the deal because they saw the Israeli government as teetering.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Ntiniao's coalition was on the brink. We talked

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Speaker 2: about that, I think on one of my earlier appearances

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Speaker 2: on your show at the time, and they also saw

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Speaker 2: that their starvation hoax narrative and the media was working

488
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Speaker 2: very well for them, and they figured the time was

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Speaker 2: on their side. The reason that they came back and

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Speaker 2: said that they now accept this deal is because of

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Speaker 2: the announcement by these Reeley Cabinet, by these readily leadership,

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Speaker 2: that there will be no more partial deals and we're

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Speaker 2: now the only acceptable deal at this point is Kamas's

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Speaker 2: total surrender and the release of all of our hostages completely.

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Speaker 2: So they come running back to the table and this

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Speaker 2: puts Natanyao, This puts these Redly government in a tight

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Speaker 2: spot because now they look like the bad guys that

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Speaker 2: they're not going to accept the deal that they previously

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Speaker 2: agreed to. And like I said, My take on this

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Speaker 2: is that we absolutely cannot agree to this.

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Speaker 3: This goes back to the biggest missacha.

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Speaker 1: Hold the thought. Hold the thought, Rabbi, We've got to

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Speaker 1: develop that just a little bit further. We do need

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Speaker 1: to take a break. We'll be right back with much

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Speaker 1: more with the Rabbi Pessic will like right after this

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Speaker 1: stay took place. Welcome back. We are talking about Gaza.

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Speaker 1: An in depth conversation with one of the most astute

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Speaker 1: observers of what's happening there, a man actually who has

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Speaker 1: quite literally skinned in the game. Two of his children

510
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: are currently serving in the IDF in Gaza in combat.

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Speaker 1: He understands as well as anybody what's on the line here.

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Speaker 1: And Rabbi, you were just finishing a thought about how

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Speaker 1: we are witnessing the diplomatic game engineered by the way

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Speaker 1: by Cutter and Egypt, in league with obviously Steve Whitcoff

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Speaker 1: and others in the United States to dust off a

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Speaker 1: proposal that was previous rejected by hamas accepted by Israel.

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Speaker 1: Now the roles are reversed. Where do things stand, Baby's

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Speaker 1: in a tight spot? What does he do in your estimation, sir?

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Speaker 1: And how do the people of Israel figure into these calculations.

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Speaker 1: Are they ready for this just to be you know, ended,

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Speaker 1: even if it means leaving Hamas in place on the

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Speaker 1: theory that that will result in all of the hostages

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Speaker 1: being released, Sir.

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Speaker 2: Answer is no, the is Raeli population is not willing

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Speaker 2: to accept Hamas remaining in power when polling is done

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Speaker 2: on this, on the ceasefire or hostage release, prisoner exchange,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them, these deals, whenever polling

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Speaker 2: is done, it's very deceptive in how it's in how

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Speaker 2: it is reported. Because if you ask, if you pull

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Speaker 2: the is Raeli population and say are.

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Speaker 3: You in favor of a deal that ends the war

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Speaker 3: and brings all the hostages home? They'll all say yes.

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Speaker 2: But then once you ask the follow up question about

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Speaker 2: what ending the war means, and ask a question, are

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Speaker 2: you in favor of a deal that ends the war

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Speaker 2: and leaves Ramas in power and leaves Hamas not disarmed?

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Speaker 2: Once that gets added in the numbers completely flip. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the Israeli population of course wants all the hostages home,

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Speaker 2: and of course wants the war to end. However, more

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Speaker 2: important to the Israeli population, thank God, is that Hamas

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Speaker 2: be removed from power. If this war ends and Hamas

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Speaker 2: is still a governing entity and Hamas is still still

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Speaker 2: has weapons, then that means that we've perpetuated the conflict.

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Speaker 2: There will be more hostages in the future, there will

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Speaker 2: be more death, more terrorism in the future. The only

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Speaker 2: acceptable outcome of this war is for Hamas to be

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Speaker 2: totally destroyed. Frank this brings us all the way back

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Speaker 2: to the mistake that was made at the very beginning

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Speaker 2: of the war when the Israeli leadership bowed to pressure.

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Speaker 3: And stated as a second goal of the.

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Speaker 2: War besides destroying Ramas is the release of all the hostages.

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Speaker 2: And we all knew, and we've talked about this many

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Speaker 2: many times over the last year and a half rank

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Speaker 2: that we all knew that there would come a point

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Speaker 2: where we would realize that we're never going to get

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Speaker 2: all the hostages out.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is the only one speaking clearly on this.

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Speaker 2: He's speaking very openly about the fact that you're not

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Speaker 2: going to get them all out. Hamas's only insurance policy

560
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Speaker 2: is holding the last few remaining hostages, and at some

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Speaker 2: point Israel needs to bite the bullet and go in

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Speaker 2: and destroy Hamas and if we rescue the hostages, that's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Look when the Israeli commandos back in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 2: went into Entebbe in the famous raid to rescue all

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Speaker 2: of those hostages, it was wildly successful.

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Speaker 3: But we didn't know it was going to be successful.

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Speaker 2: Thank god it was, and we knew that we were

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Speaker 2: risking the lives of the hostages by.

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Speaker 3: Doing a mission like that.

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Speaker 2: But the reason that it was done was that you

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Speaker 2: don't negotiate with terrorists over hostages, because that only means

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Speaker 2: that hostage taking pays, and that is unacceptable. So when

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Speaker 2: the same rule should have here, what I think you

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Speaker 2: asked me what Prime Minister Induthiniao should do. What he

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Speaker 2: should do is announce that we are driving forward to

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Speaker 2: total destruction of Tamas, conquering every area of the Gaza

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Speaker 2: strip to clean it out of Tamas. Work with whoever

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Speaker 2: our partners are, whether it's the UAE or whoever else

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Speaker 2: we're going to work with, to demilitarize and deradicalize Gaza,

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Speaker 2: and if we can save the hostages, we will do

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Speaker 2: our best to do so, but we will drive to victory.

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Speaker 3: That's what should happen in the current situation.

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Speaker 1: So, Rabbi, what I understand is that the people of

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Speaker 1: Israel want the war to be successfully concluded, and the

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Speaker 1: pressure on BB therefore is really from these external forces.

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Speaker 1: President Trump has said repeatedly he needs to finish the job.

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Speaker 1: Is it your sense that the Prime Minister is going

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Speaker 1: to buckle and fail to finish the job or that

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Speaker 1: he will carry on until it is finished with hopefully

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Speaker 1: the consistent backing of the.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll say I'm very worried that he will buckle

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Speaker 2: because he has been so.

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Speaker 3: He's been so adamant.

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Speaker 2: That he will free the hostages, and he has and

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Speaker 2: he's been consistent in that regard, and I'm worried that

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Speaker 2: he's going to give into another one of these partial deals.

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Speaker 2: It would be a disaster at this point in the

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Speaker 2: war with It would be an app for the reasons

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Speaker 2: that I just stated.

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Speaker 3: It would be a disaster.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, he keeps being adamant that there

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Speaker 2: will be no more partial deals. Ron Dermer, the Minister

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Speaker 2: of Strategic Affairs who is the most important advisor to

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is In Yao, has also been adamant that

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Speaker 2: there will be no more partial deals. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: Nathaniel is now talking about sending a delegation to more

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Speaker 2: negotiations with the Kataris and the Egyptians, and that's very

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Speaker 2: worrisome because if there's going to be no more partial

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Speaker 2: deals and the only acceptable deal is Ramas surrendering its

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Speaker 2: weapons and releasing all of the hostages, then I don't

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Speaker 2: see the need for a negotiation. That said, throughout the war,

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Speaker 2: there have been points where I was worried that Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister Nathaniel would buckle, and he hasn't. He's kept his word,

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Speaker 2: so I'm hopeful that he's going to keep his word.

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Speaker 3: On the one hand, it depends what minute you get

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Speaker 3: me in frank, but I am worried.

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Speaker 2: I think this is this is a very critical moment

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Speaker 2: because if if we go to another sixty day seas

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Speaker 2: fire that sees a surgeon in Aid into Ramas's hands,

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Speaker 2: and Ramas is able to rebuild and reconsolidate its power,

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Speaker 2: then we're rolling back a lot of the a lot

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Speaker 2: of the gains that we've made over the last few months,

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Speaker 2: and that, more than anything, will cause tremendous damage to

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Speaker 2: the morale of the IDF and especially the reserve servists

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Speaker 2: who keep getting drawn back into this, leaving their families,

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Speaker 2: leaving their jobs with the promise that this will be

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Speaker 2: it and will finally finish the job. I think we're

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Speaker 2: really hitting that point where again, as I just said

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Speaker 2: a few minutes ago, if I was advising Prime Minister Nanyo,

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Speaker 2: I would say, speak plainly to the people of Israel.

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Speaker 2: We are going to be victorious. We will try to

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Speaker 2: save as many hostages as we can, but we're going

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Speaker 2: to end this thing once and for all.

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Speaker 1: We're hearing a lot of talk about rifts between the

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Speaker 1: military and the political authorities. I think what you're saying

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Speaker 1: is that that may be true at the senior most levels,

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Speaker 1: but that the rank and file of the military are

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Speaker 1: determined to finish the job and want to be given

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to do so. And I pray that their

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Speaker 1: sentiments will be both reflected in what Prime Minister Netannell,

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Speaker 1: who does I admire greatly what he has done throughout

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Speaker 1: this There have been points on which we've disagreed, of course,

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Speaker 1: but I think, as with you, Rabbi Pessick WILLICKI, we

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Speaker 1: appreciate that his wartime leadership has been extraordinary and is

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Speaker 1: in our vital interest as well as Israel's We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back for the final segment with Rabbi Pessick Wiliki

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Speaker 1: talking a little bit about Iran. Welcome back to this

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Speaker 1: final installment of our extraordinarily important conversation with Rabbi Pessick Willicki,

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Speaker 1: our friend and colleague who runs Israel three sixty five Action,

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Speaker 1: who is a podcaster in Israel with the Shoulder to

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Speaker 1: the Shoulder podcast and also a very important columnist for

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Speaker 1: the Juris Posts, and Rabbi we were talking about Gaza.

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Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot more that could be said, but

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Speaker 1: thank you for working through a number of the allegations

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Speaker 1: that have been made about Israel and its conduct and

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Speaker 1: setting the record straight. I wanted to turn to Iran.

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Speaker 1: As you know, Israel was prevented from finishing the job

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Speaker 1: there unfortunately, and yet it appears as though Israel is

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Speaker 1: continuing to operate in Iran. There are reports of explosions

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Speaker 1: of some very interesting places around the country. The people

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Speaker 1: of Iran are also being buffeted by what appears to

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Speaker 1: be both natural hardships naturally caused hardships I guess I

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Speaker 1: should say droughts, as well as power outages. The regime

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Speaker 1: is clearly unable to, you know, provide for the people

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Speaker 1: of Iran. Is it possible that such money as they

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Speaker 1: have is being spent on purposes other than caring for

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Speaker 1: their people, including preparing to resume hostilities with Israel?

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Speaker 2: Sir, Well, they recently, and this is since the Twelve

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Speaker 2: Day War, they've already purchased a new fleet of.

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Speaker 3: Fighter jets from the Chinese.

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Speaker 2: So I mean there's money to spend, and then they're

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Speaker 2: spending it on their military. Look, this is a country

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Speaker 2: that has anyone ever asked the question why one of

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Speaker 2: the largest oil producing countries in the world is hell

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Speaker 2: bent on creating a nuclear program that they claim is

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Speaker 2: for domestic use. Why on Earth would a country and

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Speaker 2: Daniel Greenfield, our mutual friend, wrote about this months ago,

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Speaker 2: why would a country that has some of.

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Speaker 3: The cheapest gas for itself in the.

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Speaker 2: World be creating, be working to create a nuclear power grid.

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Speaker 2: This is a country that their infrastructure has been collapsing

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Speaker 2: for years. Years ago, Prime Minister Nitania Wu made a

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Speaker 2: video that went viral. It's had many millions of views

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Speaker 2: where he offered the Iranian people, the Iranian government that

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Speaker 2: Israel would use its cutting edge water technology. Israel has

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Speaker 2: technologies that can pull water out of the air. It

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Speaker 2: takes the humidity in the air and turns it into

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Speaker 2: drinkable water. There are countries in Africa that have suffered

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Speaker 2: from drought for years that are now using this Israeli technology,

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Speaker 2: and all over Africa there's drinking water available in places

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Speaker 2: where there's drought because of this Israeli technology. Israel's also

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Speaker 2: with leader in desalination technology, and even Iran's own neighbors

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Speaker 2: that it doesn't get along with, like the UAE, also

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Speaker 2: use this desalination technology, and Iran refuses to use Israeli technology.

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Speaker 2: Think about that they could actually be providing water for

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Speaker 2: their people using Israeli technology that they refuse to use

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Speaker 2: because it's from Israel because Israel's their enemy. And at

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Speaker 2: the same time, like I said, they're spending billions of

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Speaker 2: dollars buying new weaponry from the Chinese, from the Chinese

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Speaker 2: Communist Party.

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Speaker 1: So where does that leave us? Is the Twelve Day

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Speaker 1: War simply what in the Muslim tradition is called a

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Speaker 1: hudna a period much as you were suggesting, might happen

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Speaker 1: in Gaza if there is a ceasefire, a pause that

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Speaker 1: enables Israel's enemies to regroup, to rearm, and to resume

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Speaker 1: the hostilities at their will.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly how the Iranians see it.

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Speaker 2: They also I should also point out that a large

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Speaker 2: shipment of weapons from Iran to the Houties was intercepted

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Speaker 2: by the Americans. Also, since the Twelve Day War, they

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Speaker 2: haven't let up on their on their attempts to attack Israel,

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Speaker 2: to destroy Israel, despite.

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Speaker 1: Some of those weapons have been or not those weapons,

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Speaker 1: but some such weapons have been used by the Huthis

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Speaker 1: to attack them.

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Speaker 2: The Woies are still firing at us, you know, not

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Speaker 2: every day, but here and there they're firing that.

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Speaker 3: They're still trying to fire missiles. Israel's hitting the Hooties.

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Speaker 1: Very missiles with cluster munitions as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they used they fired a missile that was a

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Speaker 2: cluster bomb just the other day.

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Speaker 3: Thank god it didn't cause any casualties.

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Speaker 2: But my point here about Iran is that people should

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Speaker 2: not think that trying to destroy Israel and America is

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Speaker 2: a hobby. It is the primary objective of the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 2: They are not interested in making the lives of their

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Speaker 2: citizens any better. Here's a population that is literally, uh

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Speaker 2: you know, suffering one of the worst droughts that we've.

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Speaker 3: Seen on Earth in the last decades. They don't have water.

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Speaker 2: It's a ninety million population and they they don't have water.

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Speaker 2: They don't have a tricity for hours and hours every

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Speaker 2: single day because of the disastrous state of their infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: And yet they're spending billions of dollars to send weapons

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Speaker 2: to the Huthis, to buy fighter jets from the Chinese

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Speaker 2: Communist Party, And as you said at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: this segment, Israel continues to attack them, although they don't

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Speaker 2: take credit for it. No one says it, and the

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Speaker 2: Iranians aren't even admitting it because it would show weakness.

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Speaker 2: But there are explosions on an almost daily basis of

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Speaker 2: key sites in Iran. Whether or not this will eventually

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Speaker 2: bring down the regime at some point, Frank, this is

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Speaker 2: up to the Iranian people.

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Speaker 3: Your question about whether this is a hudnah.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, Israel has still not relinquished its air superiority

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Speaker 2: and is guarding that very carefully, and that's what a

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Speaker 2: lot of these explosions are not necessarily coming from the air,

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Speaker 2: but Israel is maintaining tight surveillance over everything going on

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Speaker 2: in Iran. So although the Iranians do have hopes of

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Speaker 2: eventually being the threat that they were before to Israel,

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Speaker 2: they're far from that, and we should be grateful for that.

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Speaker 3: The Twelve Day War was a success. It wasn't. We

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Speaker 3: didn't finish the job.

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Speaker 2: As you say, we really do need to remove that

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Speaker 2: regime at some point, but right now Israel Israel is

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Speaker 2: continuing to operate there and we can only hope and

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Speaker 2: pray that the Iranian people finally, at some point rise.

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Speaker 3: Up and overthrow this regime. It's going to have to

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Speaker 3: come from them.

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Speaker 1: It has to come from them. I couldn't occur more.

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Speaker 1: But I do believe that there needs to be help

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Speaker 1: in so weakening the regime, that that's not simply a

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Speaker 1: suicide mission. And that's where Israel was prepared to go,

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Speaker 1: but for the intervention of the United States saying it's

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Speaker 1: a game over, It's not over. It continues. And again,

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Speaker 1: as I said earlier, Rabbi, as you know so well,

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Speaker 1: it is in the vital interests of the United States

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Speaker 1: that this regime fall and that the people of Iran

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Speaker 1: are liberated, not just the people of Israel, but the

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Speaker 1: people of this country as well.

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Speaker 3: And came the entire region.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the world, let's be clear, but especially the American people,

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Speaker 1: because we're told that there's an endless war in the offing,

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Speaker 1: and I don't believe that for a minute. I think

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Speaker 1: the way to avoid it is actually to end the

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Speaker 1: endless war that's been underway since nineteen seventy nine at

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Speaker 1: the hands of the Iranian regime. God bless you, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Come back to us very soon, if you would, prahb,

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Speaker 1: I thank you for your hour time. This is most appreciated.

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Speaker 1: I have the rest of you will join us next time.

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Speaker 1: Come back, and until then, go forth and multiply