WEBVTT - Solar Power: The Future or What?

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, Maine and Greater New England. We're coming to see

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<v Speaker 1>There's some lobster at us. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. The sun is shining,

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<v Speaker 1>our collars are popped, tongues of our shoes are hanging out,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, it smells really nice in here. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>which must mean one thing. Chuck, It's time to talk

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff you should know? She is? Can I say that? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Good? Well I just did, didn't you did? Uh? So? Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>We are at SLEE talking about solar power today, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little psyched about this one because I was

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<v Speaker 1>putting this thing together over months. Dude, you would think

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<v Speaker 1>solar power is such a hot, sexy topic. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that there would be just reams and reams of just

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to research and there is, but it's all really

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<v Speaker 1>wonky and really technical, and there's a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that contradicts other stuff. And I get this feeling of

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<v Speaker 1>dread researching this, that the cheerleaders and champions of solar

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<v Speaker 1>power are losing their resolve to an extent. They'll still

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<v Speaker 1>sell you a solar panel, They'll still tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>solar is great, and I know that they truly believe that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that they are worried that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not taking off like they expected it too. But then

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<v Speaker 1>let me just caveat that with one other thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll get started and I'll be quiet for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the podcast. If you look at the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>and the figures, solar has quietly um made a name

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<v Speaker 1>for itself and established itself, at least in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>to an astounding degree. So I'm not quite sure what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm picking up on when I get the sense that

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<v Speaker 1>they're worried, because if you look at it, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>doing really, really well and growing all the time. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>discuss solar power. Yeah, power from the sun converted into electricity, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can say screw you power company, yeah, or

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<v Speaker 1>pay me power company. You could say, take this power

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<v Speaker 1>bill and shove it. So the sun. Uh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty neat here at the beginning of this that you

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<v Speaker 1>put together here, Um, the sun ray. The Sun's rays

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<v Speaker 1>give off about a thousand wats of energy per square meter.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you pull the camera back a bit and

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Texas, let's say, a lot of sun

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas, a lot of land in Texas. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of a lot of stuff from Texas. There really

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<v Speaker 1>is some stuff. No, that's true. I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>the good thing about Texas. You could completely cover it

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<v Speaker 1>with solar rays and no one but the people who

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<v Speaker 1>live in Texas would have a problem with it. Oh boy,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy, oh gear Goo Google. All right, Um, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at a mass land mass that's as

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<v Speaker 1>big as Texas, they receive a little under seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>terra wats over the course of one hour on a

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<v Speaker 1>on a at noon on a sunny day. Seven terra wats. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like a lot, but is it a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows? Who could possibly know? If you want to

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<v Speaker 1>compare that, you're being coy uh. In that same hour,

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<v Speaker 1>the total amount of human mage energy energy production on

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<v Speaker 1>planet Earth. And this is all energy production that you

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly dream of is seventeen point seven terra watts

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<v Speaker 1>compared to seven hundred terra wats. That's forty times less

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<v Speaker 1>than what the sun delivered to Texas and in just

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<v Speaker 1>that hour. Yeah, right, And the Union of Concerned Scientists

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<v Speaker 1>happen in group who I love. Um, they say that

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen days of sunshine that hits across the entire Earth

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<v Speaker 1>contains the same amount of energy stored in the entirety

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<v Speaker 1>of the planet's reserves of coal, oil and natural gas.

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<v Speaker 1>If you dug up and burned every bit of coal,

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<v Speaker 1>oil and natural gas, it would only produce as much

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<v Speaker 1>energy as eighteen days worth of global sunlight. That's astounding. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And these are you know, these are facts that have

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<v Speaker 1>fifty caveats beneath each of them, which we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. But it is a prime example, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think just a good way to kind of indicate just

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<v Speaker 1>how much energy potential energy there is coming from the

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<v Speaker 1>sun every day. Yeah, And just I mean to to

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<v Speaker 1>point out the obvious. The great thing about solar is

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<v Speaker 1>there is no greenhouse gas emissions when you use solar electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just clean energy and it's free because it's from

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<v Speaker 1>the sun, that's right. And before you start typing, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about you got a lot to make. These

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<v Speaker 1>things were made it to look on and then before

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<v Speaker 1>you do that, we're going to talk about all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But Josh very clearly said, once you have these things

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<v Speaker 1>set up, that's that's when the real benefit comes. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And if I hadn't said it, I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>eventually well no, you basically said it, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when they're working, when they're active, they're not using fossil fuels.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Chuck. All right, so let's go back in

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<v Speaker 1>time a bit, because if you think solar power, you think, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, you know, was invented in the nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>not so you have to go all the way back

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<v Speaker 1>to eighteen thirty nine, believe it or not. When a

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<v Speaker 1>French physicist name Alexandra Edmond, Uh, Josh says this back

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<v Speaker 1>quere I mean I practiced it a million times. Queriller,

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<v Speaker 1>I think be querillar. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a tough word.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it is. There's a couple of extra continants in that.

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<v Speaker 1>It just shouldn't be there, that's right. So, uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>dude He's the one that first demonstrated the photo voltaic effect,

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<v Speaker 1>which is basically the ability of a solar cell to

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<v Speaker 1>turn sun into electricity all the way back in right,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one knew exactly how this work. They just

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<v Speaker 1>knew that at work. He was burned at the stake

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<v Speaker 1>later on for his black magic. Right, So just about

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<v Speaker 1>forty about forty years later, there's a guy named Charles Fritz,

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<v Speaker 1>and he, in the eighteen eighties built the world's first

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<v Speaker 1>rooftop solar array. Coincidentally, just a year after Edison launched

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<v Speaker 1>the world's first coal fire power plant. UM. But this

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<v Speaker 1>early solar array was terribly inefficient. It didn't do very much.

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<v Speaker 1>It could bay basically power um. Jeez, I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know what it could power a mouse trap? How about that,

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<v Speaker 1>which doesn't even need electricity. That's how little power that

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<v Speaker 1>this thing produced. Um. But it definitely demonstrated that it

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<v Speaker 1>was possible to generate an electrical current um from sunlight

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that it was a proof of concept,

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying just give it like ninety years and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>understand this better. And who was that that was? Fritz? Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>Fritz was a good guy, but he was no, Einstein, Uh, Einstein.

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<v Speaker 1>It would take Einstein, that is, to really explain how

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<v Speaker 1>this all worked in nineteen o five, because he had

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<v Speaker 1>a knack for doing that. I'm not sure if people

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<v Speaker 1>realize that he was a good explainer, maybe the original explainer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well he would put it in terms that you could

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<v Speaker 1>really understand, like like consider the sandwich. Imagine the sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>is the sun, and then it just go from there

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd be like, you understand what he's saying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think, uh, Einstein, oh yeah, he won

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of Nobel Prizes for relativity. Not so. He

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<v Speaker 1>won the Nobel Prize in Physics for explaining the photo

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<v Speaker 1>electric effect. He didn't win for relativity. No, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that. Holy cow, what is unless I'm wrong? And

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<v Speaker 1>if i am, I'm gonna have a lot of egg

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<v Speaker 1>on my face. That's all right, Well we'll cook it

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<v Speaker 1>off with some good old solar electricity. Gross. It is gross,

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<v Speaker 1>but also so is the idea of cooked egg in

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<v Speaker 1>your beard. So Bell Labs in nineteen fifty four, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to talk about the modern PV cell, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the and uh thanks to the US government really

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<v Speaker 1>in the US military, they funded a lot of this

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<v Speaker 1>early research, because if you've ever looked at a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of sky Lab or any of our great satellites, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>notice that they all have these big solar wings. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're solar powered. And it was because of US government

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<v Speaker 1>research in the fifties that we were able to develop those.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they launched the first solar powered satellite in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty four, no. Fifty eight, and then just six

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<v Speaker 1>years later they launched the first solar powered satellite whose

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<v Speaker 1>solar panels could track the Sun, which is still a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty whiz bang thing to have for your solar array.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is nine sixty four. So the US government

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<v Speaker 1>invested in the earliest research and everything was going along

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<v Speaker 1>really smoothly. Um. But one of the things that's always

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<v Speaker 1>been a problem for solar is oil in natural gas

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<v Speaker 1>and coal are just so cheap, and our infrastructure is

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<v Speaker 1>set up to burn those things and get electricity for them.

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<v Speaker 1>So solar has always been an upstart. But at one

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<v Speaker 1>point in nineteen seventy three, oil was not very cheap

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden because of the OPEC embargo that

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<v Speaker 1>created the energy crisis that made it really un cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>So much so that the United States looked around and said,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to find other sources of energy, and they

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<v Speaker 1>really looked really hard at solar and it actually gave

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<v Speaker 1>solar technology a big old boost. Yeah, and that boost

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<v Speaker 1>came by way of offering tax credits for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time in the United States for businesses and residents. Said hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to put in solar power, and they

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<v Speaker 1>still do this today, we'll give you some tax credits.

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<v Speaker 1>It will make a lot cheaper for you. Um. There

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<v Speaker 1>has been I guess we could call it the the

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<v Speaker 1>solar Battle at the White House since nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Carter had very famously had solar panels installed on

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<v Speaker 1>the roof of the White House, uh to heat water

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<v Speaker 1>for for them and for the pools and for the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and stuff like that. And Uh, Reagan had them

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<v Speaker 1>taken down in eighties six. So there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of stories about how this went down. Um. The cynic

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<v Speaker 1>will say Reagan as a statement had them taken down

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<v Speaker 1>even though they were working fine, because he was all

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<v Speaker 1>for the fossil fuel industry and it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic gesture. Other people will say that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>At all. The roof needed repair that the solar panels

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<v Speaker 1>were on, and they took down the solar panels to

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<v Speaker 1>repair the roof, and then the White House officially says

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<v Speaker 1>they did not put them back because it would be

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<v Speaker 1>very unwise based on cost. Is a direct quote. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>so that's you know, that's the party line right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard that one. That sounds like a new

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<v Speaker 1>gingrich you are And if you ask me, well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a direct quote. Um, George W. Bush put uh solar

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<v Speaker 1>power back into the White House. Say what what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. Yeah, he put solar for the

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<v Speaker 1>water heaters for the White House pool and then put

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<v Speaker 1>solar panels on top of the roof of the grounds

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<v Speaker 1>maintenance building to how out there. He did not have

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<v Speaker 1>them on top of the actual White House, but he

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<v Speaker 1>had solar solar power installed at various places around the

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<v Speaker 1>White House. This was w or h W. This is

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<v Speaker 1>w okay, Wow, that's really surprising. Yeah. Um. Carter's for

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<v Speaker 1>his part, one of his he has two on display.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them is at the Smithsonian and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them is right here in Atlanta at the Carter Center.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go look at one of those solar panels.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also like a Museum of Science in China that

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<v Speaker 1>got their hands on one. It's on display in China too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, which makes sense because after after the U. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Government kind of turned its back on solar, China came

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<v Speaker 1>along and said, oh, we'll take that ball and ran

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<v Speaker 1>with it. Sure, going back to Reagan though he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to let him up too easy with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Um the fact that they just said it was unwise

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<v Speaker 1>based on costs because he gutted the Department of Energies

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<v Speaker 1>Renewable Energy research and Development budgets, like totally gutted him,

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<v Speaker 1>and he eliminated the tax breaks for wind and solar. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure for how long, but for a million years,

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<v Speaker 1>I would guess now, because they're back. Uh. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was Obama who came back and very publicly installed solar

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<v Speaker 1>panels back on the roof of the White House. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course the first thing I thought was that that

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<v Speaker 1>Trump probably went in there and smashed him with a

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<v Speaker 1>sledgehammer on his first day in office. But apparently they're

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<v Speaker 1>still there. They're still there, huh, still there and still working.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't take them down. Wow, we so one of

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<v Speaker 1>the other things that UM the government did to help

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<v Speaker 1>solar along during the Carter era was to to offer

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<v Speaker 1>tax breaks, like you were saying, but because of the

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<v Speaker 1>really really high cost of installing a solar electric system, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>it was basically viewed as a sweetheart deal, tax break

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<v Speaker 1>for the rich. That's how the first solar tax credits

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<v Speaker 1>were viewed because solar was so expensive, so they were

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit before their time. But over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of those ensuing years from the early eighties on Moor

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<v Speaker 1>to today, a UM, because we've had breakthroughs and technology

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<v Speaker 1>UM of manufacturing, of creating new kinds of semiconductors, of

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<v Speaker 1>making traditional kinds more cheaply, the price of solar has

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<v Speaker 1>dropped eight percent in the past decade. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's really to the point now where it's I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at some of the prices and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, that's that's now I think fairly affordable

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<v Speaker 1>for for most kind of middle class Americans if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to put in solar power, because you know, eventually

0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.760
<v Speaker 1>it's going to pay for itself. That's the whole the

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea. Either you're either you're trying to pay this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get cheaper bills and have it pay for

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<v Speaker 1>itself over the years, which is going to happen regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're someone with some money that just wants to, um,

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<v Speaker 1>do the right thing by the environment and get off

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<v Speaker 1>the grid as much as possible. Yeah, it's just that

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<v Speaker 1>upfront cost, not the cost over the life of the setup.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the upfront cost. But there are things like you

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<v Speaker 1>can there UM like energy saver, renewable energy, mortgages, home

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<v Speaker 1>loans basically you can take out they have UM really

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<v Speaker 1>special good financing and rates and stuff like that. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of things you can do that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about to get around the upfront cost. But you

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<v Speaker 1>you hit the nail on the head, and it's really

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<v Speaker 1>worth saying again you can expect your solar um electrical

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<v Speaker 1>home system to pay for itself over the lifetime of

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<v Speaker 1>the setup. Yeah, and we'll talk more about price later,

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<v Speaker 1>but just poking around like it's sort of an average

0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:38.360
<v Speaker 1>US household, you can plunk down about fifteen grand to

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<v Speaker 1>cover your electricity needs, which and that's I think after

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<v Speaker 1>the text credit if I'm not mistaken right, And again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are so many factors where you live,

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<v Speaker 1>how much energy use, how big your house is, the

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<v Speaker 1>weather where you are. So this is a big, big

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<v Speaker 1>broad statement. But if you're just looking for a general range,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like it costs fifty or sixty dollars anymore

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, right, So you want to take a

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<v Speaker 1>you want to take a break and then come back

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about what actually is going on in those

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<v Speaker 1>solar cells. Let's do it, Chuck, okay, dude. So um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are three ways as far as humans are aware

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<v Speaker 1>of right now, that you can get energy from the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get it by converting it into electricity what

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about. Basically, you can turn it into

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<v Speaker 1>chemical energy, which is it's far out though, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>storing energy in the bonds of molecules, like through artificial photosynthesis.

0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.800
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty cool. And then you can also convert it

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<v Speaker 1>into heat. But when you're talking about solar energy, most

0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:13.760
<v Speaker 1>people think of these solar into electricity, which is called

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<v Speaker 1>photovoltaic um energy, and that's basically what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about. Yeah, Like when you drive to the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood and you see those shiny panels on a roof

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<v Speaker 1>and think, my god, those are ugly. That's true, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true. We'll get to that too. Uh So, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're talking about. These photo voltaic cells. They are

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<v Speaker 1>made up of semiconductors, materials called semiconductors. And these days,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we're talking a second about how this

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<v Speaker 1>might be changing in the future, but about all these

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<v Speaker 1>solar cells these days are using silicon as the semiconductor. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Silicon is a crystal, which means that it has a

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<v Speaker 1>really tight atomic composition. Right, it's not very it's extraordinarily

0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:03.040
<v Speaker 1>stable um, which is kind of a thing because you

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<v Speaker 1>want a somewhat unstable um arrangement of atoms or else

0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you won't get this electricity to work. But no, you can't.

0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:19.359
<v Speaker 1>But that's exactly right. The flow of electricity basically but

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<v Speaker 1>with um. The reason why they use silicon is because

0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.120
<v Speaker 1>it is a semiconductor, which means that it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a large measure of control over where that electricity flows

0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and how it flows. So rather than just using pure silicon,

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<v Speaker 1>which um will will allow you to direct the control

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<v Speaker 1>of electricity but won't produce any electricity, they actually dope

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<v Speaker 1>it with other materials to produce two different types of

0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:51.440
<v Speaker 1>silicon film. UM, ND type and P type. That's right. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>for the ND type, which is stands for negative, they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna dope it. And I love that word in this

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<v Speaker 1>case with phosphorus that has five electrons, so it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bind to the silicon that has four electrons, and so

0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that leaves you I can even do this kind of

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<v Speaker 1>simple math with one free one extra electron leftover, just

0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.520
<v Speaker 1>dangling out there like it's wearing shorts that are way

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<v Speaker 1>too short. Yeah, it's looking for a place to go. Basically. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>the way I sort of saw this was like a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of apartments next to each other. One has an

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<v Speaker 1>empty room and one has an extra roommate. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a great one. So the other type is this P type,

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<v Speaker 1>the positive it's doped with boron has three electrons, and

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<v Speaker 1>so this is the other apartment. This is the one

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna bind with silicon, and it leaves that unused

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<v Speaker 1>bond open. So that's where you have your extra space

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<v Speaker 1>where the electron can go. Right. So when you take

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<v Speaker 1>ND type silicon film and P type silicon film and

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<v Speaker 1>you put them up against one another, UM, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where that extra electron wants to flow to

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<v Speaker 1>the other side and fill the unused bond, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>the universe is always moving towards homeostasis. Right. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>roommates like, hey, you've got an next room, Can I

0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.679
<v Speaker 1>come crash in there? Yeah, And they say, wait, wait,

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.119
<v Speaker 1>we need somebody to get you off of the couch.

0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.520
<v Speaker 1>And in this case, that somebody is sunlight, because sunlight

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<v Speaker 1>is made up of photons, which are energy carriers of

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<v Speaker 1>the electromagnetic spectrum. And when they hit this doped silicon,

0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:23.800
<v Speaker 1>they come bursting into the room and they kick that

0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 1>that lazy electron into the other apartment where there's an

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<v Speaker 1>open bedroom and everything is filled very nicely. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So this electron flow, these electrons moving around and flowing

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<v Speaker 1>in this single direction. I think we said that yet

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<v Speaker 1>it only flows in one direction. Electricity does well, it

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<v Speaker 1>does in this one in this case. Yeah, that's the basis.

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<v Speaker 1>This electron flow is the basis of electricity. And what

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<v Speaker 1>they do is they put these metal contacts on the

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<v Speaker 1>top and the bottom of the cell and then you

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<v Speaker 1>can direct that electron flow out of the cell to

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<v Speaker 1>be used as electricity in your home. Yeah, that's that's

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the soul or cell and in a nutshell. And the

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<v Speaker 1>solar cell is the basic unit of the of what

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<v Speaker 1>you think of when you think of like a solar

0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 1>panel or whatever, it's that one little square and that

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<v Speaker 1>square is connected to other squares um and and they

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<v Speaker 1>they form what's called a module. And when you put

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<v Speaker 1>like um a nice little uh frame around it and

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<v Speaker 1>put it on a stand or whatever, you have yourself

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<v Speaker 1>a solar panel. When you have a bunch of solar

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<v Speaker 1>panels together in a group, all working together, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>solar array. So technically, when you point at someone's roof

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<v Speaker 1>and you say, look at that solar panel, you're saying,

0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.199
<v Speaker 1>look at that solar array. And now you can correct

0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.320
<v Speaker 1>that person from the back seat and they'll make you

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<v Speaker 1>get out of the car. People say that, look at

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<v Speaker 1>that solar array, universe. I would think people would more say,

0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:51.240
<v Speaker 1>look at those solar panels. Well, then that would make sense.

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I had just set it up so it didn't make

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.720
<v Speaker 1>any sense, so someone would swoop in incorrect. So the

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.879
<v Speaker 1>person who knows what it's really called is around with

0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 1>complete morons. We say things like look at that solar panel.

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<v Speaker 1>When they see a group of solar panels. All right, now,

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.160
<v Speaker 1>I got you we're talking about right, all right, So

0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:12.840
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it sounds simple, and it is kind of simple,

0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's um complexity that makes no sense at all.

0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.240
<v Speaker 1>But it's a little more complicated because, like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>electricity in this case is only flowing in one direction,

0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.439
<v Speaker 1>which means it creates a direct current. And that's a

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<v Speaker 1>problem because uh we you know, if you we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about in the Bone Wars episode about the the uh

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:36.440
<v Speaker 1>what they called not the power of Wars, the current

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.159
<v Speaker 1>current wars, the War of current. That's right, d C

0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.639
<v Speaker 1>did not win. Um, So we have to convert that

0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 1>d C current to a C current. So what the

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<v Speaker 1>solar panels need is something called an inverter. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>the inverter is basically like the brains of the whole

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<v Speaker 1>set up. And there used to be a big problem

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<v Speaker 1>with inverters. Um. They were very clunky, and you would

0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 1>basically have one inverter for an entire solar array, and um,

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.159
<v Speaker 1>the solar inverter would would kind of modulate the amount

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 1>of electricity that was going through it out to the

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 1>house or the circuit panel, and it would base whatever

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:18.119
<v Speaker 1>it was doing on whatever the lowest common denominator of

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.240
<v Speaker 1>the whole array was giving it right. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>had one dirty solar cell, or there was a cloud

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>going over just one solar panel out of like twenty,

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the inverter was basically delivering electricity based on that one

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>that one cloudy panel, or that one dirty cell. That's

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:41.360
<v Speaker 1>not the case anymore, It really wasn't. The solar industry

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>wised up and they said, we can do better than this,

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:45.919
<v Speaker 1>and they came up with what are called micro inverters.

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>And now a micro inverter is responsible for um either

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>one panel or just a single cell, and so that

0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 1>one cell could could be a dirty or cloudy at

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<v Speaker 1>any given point, but it's not going to drag down

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing because there's all these other inverters that

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:05.959
<v Speaker 1>are are running the show on their own too. How

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:07.560
<v Speaker 1>can you got to clean these things? Did you see that?

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't, but I did see that they were virtually

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<v Speaker 1>maintenance free? Oh really, yeah, that's what I say. Um,

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 1>all right, so let's talk about powering a house. Uh

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:21.800
<v Speaker 1>And just like four years ago, two thousand fifteen, and

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 1>these are pretty good numbers, eight hundred thousand houses and

0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>businesses in the United States had solar panels. And that's

0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 1>not to say they were um dependent on them, but

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:33.959
<v Speaker 1>they were at least doing some of the work right,

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>which is not bad. Um. And like you said, once,

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>once it's up and running, not much maintenance going on,

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:43.399
<v Speaker 1>and you're looking at probably and the number they often

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.439
<v Speaker 1>throw out is just you know, for twenty years, you

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.120
<v Speaker 1>can expect this thing to work like a charm. Yeah,

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty years is the low end. I saw the averages

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>about twenty five years. When you buy a solar setup

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that you can just put it up there and be like, oh, um,

0:24:57.440 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 1>this is great. I don't even need to think about

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>this anymore. UM. But if you do want to invest

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 1>in this, if you're like, okay, I can swing this,

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to contribute, I'm going to go solar. There

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 1>are some steps you want to take UM to kind

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.040
<v Speaker 1>of wisen yourself up so that when you deal with

0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the installer you'll know what you're talking about and when

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the first thing you want to do is to do

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.399
<v Speaker 1>an energy audit on your energy consumption, which is basically

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.159
<v Speaker 1>figuring out how much electricity you use in your house.

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>UM at any given time, probably want to figure out

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:31.000
<v Speaker 1>what your peak is and then just kind of plan

0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>for for that. Um. See, what I don't get is

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>like you can look at your power bill and tell

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>that you need to do it a separate audit outside

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of that. Well, the reason why it's good to do

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>a separate audit outside of that is you can identify

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>areas where you can improve things. It's it's kind of like, no,

0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to do it, but you could do

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>an energy audit, and when you do, you can be like, oh,

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>I think if I added insulation to the attic, it

0:25:54.280 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 1>would come consumption by its right. Yeah. Yeah, It's kind

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of like, um, if if taking on the project of

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 1>getting solar installed on your home wasn't a big enough

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>headache for you, add this to it, you know what

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. But it's a good it will definitely you

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 1>will find some places where you can cut your energy consumption.

0:26:15.440 --> 0:26:17.879
<v Speaker 1>That's the benefit of an energy audit. And this is

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.480
<v Speaker 1>just happens to be a good time to do it. Yeah.

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And you know the other thing you have to decide

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 1>as you're pricing this out, and you can call a

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>company they will they will come out these days and

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.959
<v Speaker 1>basically tell you what you need. Um, you know if

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you get a good, highly recommended company, and apparently some

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>of the smaller companies are much more highly recommended than

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the larger companies from what I read online. But they

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>will come out and say the question they're gonna say is, uh,

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:46.439
<v Speaker 1>and this is really the most important thing for you

0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 1>to decide is how much of what percentage of of

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>your household energy do you want to come from solar?

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you're like they'll they'll say, okay, well here's

0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>what you need. If you say, you know what you know,

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>if I can cover I don't have much roof space,

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:05.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy with covering my UM power usage, then they'll say,

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:07.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, well, then let's work within your system. Or

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.600
<v Speaker 1>you may just be you may not have a choice

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>unless you uh, you know, it all depends on your

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.000
<v Speaker 1>roof and the way it's sloped and the way it's

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>faced and all that stuff. Right. Um, yeah, there's a

0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 1>lot of considerations. UM. And again you're you're the person

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>you hire to do this is going to be able

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to provide you with all this information and ask all

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>the right questions. But if you want to know what

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about going into it, um, you can find

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.680
<v Speaker 1>out kind of about how much electricity you could expect

0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 1>a solar array on your roof to produce um down

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:40.159
<v Speaker 1>to your actual house. Like there's all sorts of solar

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>potential maps online yea, and calculators. It's really They make

0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>it kind of really easy on you these days. It's easy.

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>And let's just be honest, Chuck. It's fun too because

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>it'll show you like how much money you will actually

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>not only like how much you'll save over the course

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:59.639
<v Speaker 1>of the lifetime of the solar array. And you'll have

0:27:59.680 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a do you good idea of how fast the thing

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>will pay for itself. It's it's pretty cool to do um.

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>But you'll have an idea of, uh, this thing is

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.959
<v Speaker 1>gonna pay for itself in eight years, or this thing

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>is gonna pay for itself in twenty five years, and

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>that will largely depend on where you live in the country.

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>But everything I saw from everywhere, from Union of Concerned

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Scientists to Energy dot Gov is that everywhere in the

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 1>United States you can expect your solar array to pay

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 1>for itself eventually over the life of its over its

0:28:29.119 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>own life. It might take a little longer in Seattle

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.719
<v Speaker 1>than in Phoenix, right, but you know, that's how things go.

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 1>You got better music in Seattle and better food, well

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe the food to watch you got the You got

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the music though for sure. Sorry Phoenix, we we love you.

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:50.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah sorry uh, last of the meat puppets. So I

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>talked about the angle of these panels and the angle

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>of your roof. Um, it's called the angle of inclination.

0:28:56.720 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Is what is how you have to set these If

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>you have all all the money in the world and

0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>in nowhere to spend it, you can actually get systems

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that have motors that will move and follow these panels,

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>will follow the sun across the sky, stay in perfect uh,

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>stay at the perfect angle of inclination. That is super expensive, though,

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.239
<v Speaker 1>it is. That's the technology I was talking about from

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>that they had figured out for saddle. Yeah it is,

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it is still kind of expensive. Um. What

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I've seen though, is rather than invest in figuring out

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>how to make those kinds of setups cheaper, they figured

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:36.120
<v Speaker 1>out how to catch more diffuse sunlight, that kind that

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>gets scattered by clouds. That makes sense on a solar panel,

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>so you don't necessarily have to have it. Um, the

0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>kind that tracks the sunlight, and you can still get

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>as much electricity as you're gonna need to power your

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>house basically no matter where you are in the country,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 1>just from the solar panels that they make these days. Yeah,

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.120
<v Speaker 1>so uh ideally, um, your array is going to be

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>pointing true south. That's not to say if your roof

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>is set up in such a way that it doesn't

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 1>point to south, you can't have solar because like you said,

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>they've come a long long way over the years with

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>how they can collect the sunlight. But if you're facing

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 1>true south and you're at a good angle that's as

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>close to the area that you're in as close to

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the latitude as possible, you don't have a lot of

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>trees around and no big buildings, then you're a really

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>good candidate to provide energy for your house. We should

0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>say also, that's if you're in the northern hemisphere. We

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 1>have listeners in the southern that's true. So I would

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 1>say if you're in Australia, you would want it to

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>face true North. But everybody knows that the sun is

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 1>so ridiculously hot in Australia that you don't even need

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>solar panels. It just powers everything, just blazing down on everyone.

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>You can bury your solar panels underground in Australia, that's

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>still work better than here. It's like you can scrape

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 1>me son. So um. The other thing is weather, Like

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>it's never weather is never predictable. But what you're gonna

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>do is look at the data in your area, look

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.360
<v Speaker 1>at average monthly sunlight and stuff like that, take into

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>account rainfall, and in the end you want to design

0:31:08.120 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>for because you want power all the time. If you're

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>going you want to design for your worst month. Um

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of like now, not really, I was about to say,

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>just like those initial inverters, you're only as strong as

0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>your weakest member. But you want to take into account.

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Let's like, let's say it rains every single day in

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a month, you lose your job, dog dies, just absolute

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>worst month, right, So then they might say, all right,

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 1>throw on an extra panel for your dog, right and

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you'll be just fine. So um, if you're all hyped

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>up about this, there's we just kind of opened the

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 1>can of worms. There's a lot more to take into account.

0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>But again, just hire somebody reputable, do your research, and

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>they should be able to guide you through process a

0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>lot more than we can. But I do strongly advise

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>going on and figuring out your like you need to

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>know what you need to know kind of thing. Does

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that make sense? Yeah, for sure. Um. And you know

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>earlier you mentioned that these things were ugly and for

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>a long time they were the bane of existence of

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in certain neighborhoods. Some homeowners associations

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>still won't allow them. Um, but they've gotten better looking

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 1>over time. They've gotten um, closer to the roof line, um,

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more attractive. And I think, in my

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 1>opinion this is just me speculating. Just the perception is changed.

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 1>And now when you see them, you don't think, oh

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I'll get an ugly thing on the roof.

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>You think, well, you know, those are solar panels and

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.680
<v Speaker 1>it might not blend in perfectly with the roof, but there,

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a big benefit as well. You don't

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>even think like hippies live there anymore. Normal people live

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>there normal So Um, there's also solar roof tiles that

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>are really starting to come along with those versions. Yeah,

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>they're nuts, how they're also they're super durable, they're very pretty. Um.

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't own any because they're extremely expensive, but they

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.280
<v Speaker 1>if they can get the cost down to anything approaching

0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>like a normal sized roof. It's just like game over man.

0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>That's it. It's exactly like the the the each one

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>of these tiles is like a solar cell or a

0:33:23.040 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>solar panel, and it's a whole roof's worth of them.

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>They're super durable, but they also cost about five to

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 1>ten times the amount of a normal roof these days,

0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.320
<v Speaker 1>which is just you're you're never gonna pay for it's

0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>never gonna pay for itself. Yeah. I mean, if you're

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>spending I don't know, twelve to fifteen grand on a

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>roof and you have to spend up to a hundred

0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and fifty thousand for that roof to be solar, that's

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot of dought. I saw like two hundred in

0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>one case, but yeah, somewhere between a hundred and two

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>hundred for a new roof. Yeah. But the people that

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.959
<v Speaker 1>are doing this are you know, the very well healed

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>who want to be able to brag about their solar

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 1>roof quite frankly. Yeah. And I mean if they're doing

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that and they're they're you know, generating solar for their house,

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>more power to them. That's fine. I mean, it's just

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.879
<v Speaker 1>I Tesla needs to get that that price down quite

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a bit. Come on, Tesla. So we need to talk

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about efficiency. So, um, you know, how

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 1>much of the Sun's energy we can convert into electricity?

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Is that efficiency? And way back when they first started

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>this stuff in the nineteenth century, it was one not

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>even one percent, So it was mainly just like, hey,

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 1>look what we can do now a little bit. Um.

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Now it's at not true, it's about now. Um, it's

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>not as much as I would have thought when I

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>started uh doing this research. And you can't ever get

0:34:46.480 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to a pent I think they said at the very

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>max these days because of energy loss and conversion and

0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff that the tip top upper limits about eight seven

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 1>percent that we could ever get. That's like the physical

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>limit for conversion. I mean it's the sun. It's not

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the sunlight. You don't use fills up landfills,

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you know for sure for sure, um, But the there

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 1>is a lot of room for improvement between that current

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and right um, and we're actually starting to make those

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>those kind of gains. Um. One of the ways to

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>do it is to make solar panels cheaper. So even

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>if they are just at efficiency if the process of

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>making them is cheaper, you can put more solar panels

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>up and the average person can afford it. That's one

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 1>way to go. A better way to go is to

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:43.400
<v Speaker 1>focus on making those materials as ridiculously efficient as possible.

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And what they found a promising new material called parov skite.

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that's how you say it. It's kind of

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a clunky word. It really is um and I think

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it was discovered by Russians or Soviets back in the day.

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.439
<v Speaker 1>It really does um. But the one of things about

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 1>parov skite, this mineral, is that it is really really

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>efficient when it comes to the blue end of the spectrum,

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:12.959
<v Speaker 1>the blue to ultraviolet high energy UM photons that comes

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 1>streaming through. Normally, those kinds of photons are too energetic

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>to interact with the phosphorus or the boron that's that

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 1>uh silicon is doped with, so it just passes through

0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:27.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's like completely wasted high energy light. The parov

0:36:27.680 --> 0:36:31.720
<v Speaker 1>skite actually interacts with those way more efficiently. The problem

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.600
<v Speaker 1>is it doesn't really interact with the lower energy stuff

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that silicon does. So the highest efficiency solar cells that

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>you can get are typically made with silicon and Parov

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Skype put together, so it captures as much stuff as

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you can hope for. And these are starting to creep

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>up into the the high twenties low thirties range, and

0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>as Parov Skype manufacturing gets easier and easier, we should

0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 1>be able to expect to see solar panels that are

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, thirt efficient, which is a lot you know

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that extra seven percent, that's a huge difference. Yeah, and

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think we mentioned the reason that we're trying

0:37:08.760 --> 0:37:10.839
<v Speaker 1>to make this move to prov skite anyway. It's because

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it's it's cheaper. You can make it cheaper than the

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:18.399
<v Speaker 1>silicon ones. So you know, one day, hopefully, uh, they

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 1>could be all prop skite because they're developing stuff that's

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>going to capture more of what the silicon can capture

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>in that right. Yeah, that's yeah, that would be wonderful

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>if if they figure out how to tinker with provskite

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 1>so that they don't need the silicon at all, because

0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of problems with silicon, which we'll

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>talk about. Right. So, um I mentioned earlier in the

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>show about uh selling your um like pay me power company,

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:43.879
<v Speaker 1>and that wasn't a joke. In fact, I didn't even

0:37:43.920 --> 0:37:46.319
<v Speaker 1>know this was a thing until like shamefully like five

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 1>years ago, when I learned that if you produce more

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>energy with your system then you use you can actually

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>not everywhere, but in many many places now you can

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.479
<v Speaker 1>sell that back to the power company and not only

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>are you not paying. In fact, we talked about this

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.279
<v Speaker 1>in one of the episodes, might have been the Sun

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>or the Bill Gates Renewable Energy episode, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:38:11.040 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I remember, but I couldn't. I knew. We talked about

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>like grids and stuff like that, and now that's where

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.359
<v Speaker 1>it was good call. I think so, But um, they

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 1>will cut you a check, which is pretty amazing. Um,

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.879
<v Speaker 1>and here's the best part, even to me. I was like, well,

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, do I want to check from Georgia Power

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>for whatever nineteen dollars a month? I sort of do.

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>But what I would really rather do is past that forward,

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>pay it forward, like they say. And there are places

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 1>that have programs where if you have excess solar energy,

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>you can send that to the power grid and then

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 1>apply the leftover as a credit to the bill of

0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a family in need, which is awesome. It is pretty awesome.

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Everybody comes out super great. Yeah, I wonder what the money.

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the one thing I don't know. It's like,

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>how much more are you making? Is it a check

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 1>for nineteen dollars or is it like three d bucks

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.760
<v Speaker 1>a month? I don't know, And it would definitely depend

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>on a couple of things. How much electricity costs in

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 1>your area, and um, how much your utility company pays

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.280
<v Speaker 1>for buyback electricity, and then also how much you're overproducing

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>to you know, Yeah, there's a bunch of factors. But

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of curious. It's like a lot of

0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>money or is it do I really honestly don't know,

0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:21.480
<v Speaker 1>but every little bit counts if you're a family in need. Right.

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 1>So there's another thing that would be great, Um, if

0:39:26.160 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you have all this excess solar energy when you know

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it's really really sunny out, Um, if you could somehow

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.759
<v Speaker 1>capture it to use it later during nighttime or on

0:39:35.800 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 1>a cloudy day or something like that. And so a

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of people have said, well, that'd be great. I mean,

0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>that just makes a solar solar electric home system perfect.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's build batteries that do that, And so there are

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>home batteries that are meant to be connected to solar outfits,

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>like Tesla makes one of those two, LG makes one,

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Mercedes Benz makes one. It's a home battery. Um. The

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>problem is that they are also really expensive, on the

0:40:06.280 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 1>order of five six seven grand um. And so if

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you're spending twelve grand on your solar array and you

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 1>spend an extra six grand on your home battery, you

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>just spent an extra fift of the cost of your

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 1>solar array to back up your your home with solar

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 1>electricity when the sun is not shining as much. That's

0:40:28.160 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a huge enormous added expense. Yeah. And the one thing

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I was because you know, like you, I think my

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:36.760
<v Speaker 1>interest got peaked a little bit from my own house.

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:39.399
<v Speaker 1>It's like, man, this is really appealing to me now

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>here my late forties. I could buy a system that

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.319
<v Speaker 1>will see me through till my death. Probably I don't

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>know about that. At the time it starts breaking down,

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll be long gone. Well, let's hope not. Uh. And

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 1>my first thought was, you know, we get a lot

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>of brown outs and blackouts and power outages for some

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>reason in my neighborhood. Is just it just happens a lot.

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>It seems like every rainstorm. Uh, certainly anytime there's snow

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.759
<v Speaker 1>is a brown out where it's like the powers like

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>almost out, but it comes back and then almost out

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 1>or I think it just sort of flickers. I wish

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 1>they'd call it something else. It sounds so gross. The

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.560
<v Speaker 1>brown out sounds gross. Yeah, it does. It sounds gross.

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Gray out. How about a gray out? Let's call it that.

0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you thinking about like a butt hole? Yeah? Or

0:41:24.719 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 1>poop or something, you know, like poop just squeezing out

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>of your electrical outlets or something like that. Like that

0:41:32.120 --> 0:41:34.359
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a very like archbunker thing to say, like

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go upstairs and have a brown out. Yes,

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>yes it does. Dropping the Browns off at the Super

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Bowl or okay, I get you. So the only way

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the Browns could make it to a Super Bowl? Oh man, Yeah,

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Texas and Ohio super happy with you today. Um So

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>my first thought was like, oh man, I get on

0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Solar and there's a blackout going on because we we

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>went out. I think I talked about this on one

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>episode when they we had the big snowstorm a couple

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.040
<v Speaker 1>of years ago. We were out for three and a

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>half days. That's unconscionable. I mean, it was a long

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>time to be without electricity, to the point where it

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 1>was like, all right, I'm a little bit worried about

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 1>my family. Um, so I thought, man, I'll get solar

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 1>and all those suckers will be without power and I'll

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.279
<v Speaker 1>have power. That is not the case, um, unless you're

0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're storing on a battery, you can do that.

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.840
<v Speaker 1>But during a power outage, UM, there's something called islanding.

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>It's very dangerous. It's basically when you're pumping electricity back

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>into the power lines that all the that Georgia power

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 1>thinks and the linemen are dead, so they're going to

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 1>work on these and you're still pumping power back into it.

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>They can't have that, so the power goes out as well.

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 1>It'll kill it'll kill alignment for sure. Um. But if

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.320
<v Speaker 1>you have a battery back up, you're fine. Like you said,

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 1>like that's where you're getting your juice from. But your

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 1>your solar system is going to disconnect you from the

0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:57.759
<v Speaker 1>grid to keep that from happening. But there's actually that

0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 1>happens elsewhere, chuck. If with if people have a generator,

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 1>some people will plug their generator into an outlet in

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.839
<v Speaker 1>their house and reverse the flow of electricity from their

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 1>generator throughout their house, which can create is landing as well.

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>That crazy. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean that's a kind

0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:17.080
<v Speaker 1>of a thing. Now. That's a lot of new houses

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 1>have whole house generators built in and as soon as

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 1>the power cuts off, that thing automatically fires up right right,

0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 1>But this is like affordable generator that they're plugging in

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>reverse into their homewiring. It's not a good idea for

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:33.400
<v Speaker 1>any any anyone. I mean, there are safe ways to

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 1>do it. That is not one of them. Should we

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>take another break? Yeah, let's all right. We'll take one

0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 1>final break everyone, and we're going to talk a little

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>bit about some of the downsides because there are some

0:43:45.680 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to solar power. I want to say, there's one other

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 1>type of battery I found. Um it's a mechanical battery

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>where you your solar power system uses all that excess

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:24.640
<v Speaker 1>power to to to power a pump that pumps water

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>up to a raised area, and then at night er

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on a cloudy day, when you need the extra electricity,

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 1>it releases that water to spin over a turbine, which

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 1>creates an electrical current in that awesome a little power

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:39.600
<v Speaker 1>plant in your house. Basically, yeah, you do. And it's

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 1>green too. It's hydroelectric, solar powered hydroelectric batteries. What that

0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:48.800
<v Speaker 1>is pretty amazing. So uh, we mentioned silicon not being great.

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 1>There are it's obvious that UM to create and this

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is an argument a lot of times against electric electric

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:58.919
<v Speaker 1>cars and hybrid vehicles. UM, we all like to drive

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>them and stuff, but is a greenhouse effect when it

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 1>comes to making this stuff. Minding minding these materials, uh,

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>is not great. It is very environmentally, it's very harsh

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>on the environment. And I don't think anyone makes any

0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 1>bones about that. UM. Transporting all this stuff gonna burn

0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fossil fuels. Manufacturing all the stuff burns

0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels. But like you said earlier, that is true.

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 1>But once that process is finished, that's it. No more

0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:30.959
<v Speaker 1>greenhouse gasses forever, right, And some people will double down

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 1>at this point and be like, well, whoa whoa Like

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>creating solar cells is actually really really harmful because it

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 1>requires the production of something called nitrogen trifluoride, which is

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a greenhouse gas that's seventeen thousand times more potent than

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:49.799
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide. Bad stuff. And when you work into the

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.919
<v Speaker 1>idea that you have a whole house battery that's made

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of cadmium, lead, nickel, all all of which have to

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>be mined and which has to be replaced everything ten years,

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:04.640
<v Speaker 1>your solar arrays seems much much less green. And that's

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>these are all very legitimate arguments. There's they're not incorrect

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>at all, but they're also current limitations, and they're all

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:17.520
<v Speaker 1>surrounding production and transportation and all that stuff can be

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 1>worked out. And when that stuff gets worked out, you

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 1>still have solar producing clean energy with green or with

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.719
<v Speaker 1>um fossil fuels. Even if you worked all that stuff out,

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.400
<v Speaker 1>when you deploy them and actually create electricity from them,

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 1>they're still going to produce greenhouse gases. So solar will

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:38.240
<v Speaker 1>always have that advantage. And it just has a bunch

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of kind of front loaded obstacles that need to be

0:46:40.960 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>overcome through breakthroughs in the short term. Yeah, for sure.

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's no contest in the end, especially if

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:50.080
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about the life of a solar system, considering

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 1>like twenty five years, let's say, over the twenty five

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 1>years of burning coal and natural gas, it's just not

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:57.600
<v Speaker 1>even close. Yeah, and I mean, like if you start

0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:00.959
<v Speaker 1>getting more and more solar um involved and like transportation,

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.920
<v Speaker 1>then you knock out those greenhouse gases for transporting like

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 1>solar panels from place to place because it's solar powering

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the transportation too. There's a lot of stuff we can

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>do that that we just haven't quite figured out how

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:17.280
<v Speaker 1>to do yet. But it's not physically impossible to overcome them. Yeah,

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know, there's also people that say, hey, we

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the entire country could run on solar and wind.

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Some people say maybe not. Other people say no, it

0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:28.400
<v Speaker 1>totally could. But there are a lot of big obstacles.

0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:33.879
<v Speaker 1>When you talk about converting a nationwide system, uh from

0:47:34.040 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>a fossil fuel system two renewables, it's it's not easy

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>and frankly, it will probably never happen on that scale. Um,

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm cynical. I think I think it's cynical. I

0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>think if we look a hundred and fifty years in

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the future, maybe even a hundred seventy five, even I

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 1>would say it's entirely possible. I could see it. Well,

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 1>that would require and and if you do the math,

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that's about right. That would require several generations of people

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>dying out who would fight this tooth and nail to

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 1>their grad right, certain people who would have to die

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>out first. But there are a lot of real obstacles

0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to this, um. I mean, our infrastructure just is not

0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.360
<v Speaker 1>built for this, Like we would have to completely rewrite

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 1>how we do things. Yeah, So the infrastructure is set

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 1>up in a centralized manner where you have a power

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>plant and that power plant is built wherever, and you

0:48:24.840 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>burn coal or whatever and create steam which turns to

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 1>a turbine that creates electricity, and that electricity goes out

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to the area that that that power plant serves. That's

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 1>not how renewables like solar or wind work. They have

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to be built where the wind or the sunlight is,

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>and so you have to build a bunch of them

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>wherever you can. And then those things all have to

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 1>be connected. So it's a decentralized way, um that you

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 1>have to connect them together to the current grid, which

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.560
<v Speaker 1>means running a lot more transmission lines from these new

0:48:58.640 --> 0:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>solar arrays that you're going to build wherever to connect

0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.680
<v Speaker 1>them to deliver that electricity throughout the country. Yeah, and

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 1>there's also and uh, there are fluctuations in the weather.

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, we already talked about your sort of at

0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.479
<v Speaker 1>the behest of what your weather is giving you. Uh.

0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:17.440
<v Speaker 1>And we're not saying when the wind doesn't blow, your

0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>lights go off, believe me. But it does have an effect.

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>And so you have to compensate for this stuff. And

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 1>compensating for this stuff, and on a national grid, UM

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>is expensive and I don't even think we've quite figured

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:32.839
<v Speaker 1>out how that's gonna work yet, have we. No, there's

0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>some proposals. One is to UM basically create batteries, like

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>just use the same solution that people have for their houses.

0:49:40.320 --> 0:49:42.880
<v Speaker 1>We just need to take that excess stuff and store

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it for use when the the sun isn't shining. They

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 1>figured out that for a an electrical storage system to

0:49:50.280 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>store twelve hours worth of electricity for the US electrical

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>grid would cost more than two point five trillion dollars.

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:01.120
<v Speaker 1>To that's quite a bit. Other people are saying, no, no,

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.840
<v Speaker 1>we just have to get better at more efficient long

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>distance transmission lines. That's what we talked about in that

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Bill Gates episode. One of the things was that smart

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:15.280
<v Speaker 1>grid where we can easily shuffle UM solar that's generated

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 1>in Scottsdale up to Portland. Oregon, you know, or Portland,

0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Maine for that matter. Yeah, I mean they're everywhere in

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.040
<v Speaker 1>the United States at some point. There's a lot of

0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:28.400
<v Speaker 1>sunshine going on at once, and you can send that

0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 1>to places. I know we're picking on Portland Seattle again,

0:50:31.640 --> 0:50:33.759
<v Speaker 1>but if you can produce in Phoenix and send it

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to Portland, that's great. And I mean, let's let's be

0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 1>honest here. Two point five trillion dollars is a lot

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:42.400
<v Speaker 1>of cheese. But I saw somewhere someone point out that

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a an estimate that to fully convert over the

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 1>US electrical grid to solar only would be about four

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 1>trillion dollars, which, again is a lot of money, but

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.600
<v Speaker 1>in the grand scheme of things, and when you really

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 1>think about what that investment is going towards, it's not

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.879
<v Speaker 1>that much. And frankly, it's kind of doable if there's

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 1>a political will to do it. Yeah, I get you.

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:08.839
<v Speaker 1>Another solution would be for every house to have its

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.840
<v Speaker 1>own solar ray, every car to have its own solar power.

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.040
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm banking more on is like more and

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:16.839
<v Speaker 1>more people doing this to the point where it's you know,

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not part of the infrastructure of the grid. But

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it's a you know, still making a big dent. But

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that's going to be the hardest sell because you're just

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 1>completely eliminated all of the power companies and they're not

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:32.360
<v Speaker 1>exactly known as lightweights when it comes to things like lobbying.

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 1>That's true. And another you know, you look at the

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.680
<v Speaker 1>subsidies going on now, and that's really clear who's better

0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:43.520
<v Speaker 1>at lobbying. Federal subsidies for power companies who produce solar

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:47.319
<v Speaker 1>are about five and thirty three million bucks compared to

0:51:47.480 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 1>thirty two billion dollars for natural gas alone in two

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand and sixteen. Right, that's just text bricks and subsidies

0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 1>for investing in deploying that kind of energy. Yeah, and

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:03.880
<v Speaker 1>solar still is pretty expensive per megawatt hour compared to

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>like you said, fossil fuels are just cheap. Still, they

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 1>really are. And here's here's the problem to Chuck. There's

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:15.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a conundrum where when you deploy a lot of

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:20.200
<v Speaker 1>solar electricity um in a utility, it actually tends to

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>depress wholesale electrical prices across the board. So a company

0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:28.359
<v Speaker 1>has an incentive to not deploy solar because they can

0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>charge more for electrical produced from like coal and other

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:35.040
<v Speaker 1>fossil fuels like they normally do. That's right, But if

0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>you put one in your house, uh, you're not only

0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:41.799
<v Speaker 1>paying for your own elector or whatever. You're subsidizing your

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>own electrical bill. You possibly are getting money back or

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 1>helping a family need um. And it's also an investment

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:49.799
<v Speaker 1>in your house. It actually increases the value of your

0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:54.120
<v Speaker 1>home because, you know, unless someone just hates them and

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.279
<v Speaker 1>wants to to reak in it up and yank them

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:58.279
<v Speaker 1>off the roof when they come in there, it's going

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.239
<v Speaker 1>to be a selling point. You know, you're like, hey,

0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:03.239
<v Speaker 1>moving to this house, They've already paid for it, and

0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a power bill. Yeah. There was a

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.359
<v Speaker 1>study from the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab that found that

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>a solar setup increase the value of a house in

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:14.799
<v Speaker 1>America by about fifteen grands. Right. So when I said

0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 1>they've already paid for it, what I really mean is

0:53:16.480 --> 0:53:20.640
<v Speaker 1>they're passing that onto you. Exactly, they passed the costs

0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:24.680
<v Speaker 1>onto you. Do you got anything else? I got nothing else, man,

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:28.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm gonna legit. Look into this, let me know

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.319
<v Speaker 1>how it goes. Man. I I'm really interested I have

0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:33.239
<v Speaker 1>a dude, doubt like we have. I don't think we

0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 1>could do our whole house. But we have this one

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>roof in particular. Now that's uh, I can't see from

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:41.879
<v Speaker 1>the street. It's uh, you can only see it from

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.240
<v Speaker 1>one place in the house, and I think it faces

0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:48.640
<v Speaker 1>south and I have to measure the panels, but I

0:53:48.640 --> 0:53:51.440
<v Speaker 1>could probably fit like eight panels up there. That's not

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:55.800
<v Speaker 1>enough for my whole house. Hey, that whatever little bit works,

0:53:56.000 --> 0:54:01.560
<v Speaker 1>that could power my Frankenstein experiments, right exactly, you're bringing

0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>inanimate matter back to life. Um. One other thing, Chuck,

0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:11.759
<v Speaker 1>There's a big obstacle that's facing us worldwide, and that

0:54:11.960 --> 0:54:14.320
<v Speaker 1>is that we haven't figured out how to get solar

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:18.080
<v Speaker 1>energy from the oceans collected over the oceans to the

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 1>rest of the world, which is going to be a

0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:23.600
<v Speaker 1>big challenge. But if we could figure that out, problem solved.

0:54:24.000 --> 0:54:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Just build a solar array the size of Texas, maybe

0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 1>over the Great Pacific garbage Patch, and there we go.

0:54:29.440 --> 0:54:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've seen research into that, and maybe

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:35.959
<v Speaker 1>not the oceans, but like solar blankets over water, now

0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>am I making that up? I mean I'm sure that

0:54:38.560 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 1>that you could have them in like coastal areas or whatever.

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 1>But that that means like you couldn't swim in those

0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 1>coastal areas, you know, which is going to depress the

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>value of the real estate there. So I would guess

0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.480
<v Speaker 1>we would want them like really far off shore. But

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>how do you get that electricity back to you know,

0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:58.680
<v Speaker 1>where it's needed on land? That's the question I think. Yeah,

0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 1>just though a big solar uh floating solar blanket over

0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 1>an off shoal short oil rig and just plug it

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:12.680
<v Speaker 1>in and just plug it in. Yeah, there you goblem solved. Uh.

0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:14.560
<v Speaker 1>If you want to know more about solar, go check

0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>it out, see if you can maybe swing it for

0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.400
<v Speaker 1>your house. And if so, let us know about it.

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.279
<v Speaker 1>We want to hear that. And Chuck will keep you

0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 1>updated too, won't you sure? Uh? And since I said

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Chuck will keep you updated, friends, that means it's time

0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.960
<v Speaker 1>for a listener mail. Oh no, sir, you I know

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you're being coy because to your right and Jerry's chair

0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 1>is Alexander Williams and not Jerry. No, Jerry's standing over there.

0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.040
<v Speaker 1>This is all getting weird. It is getting a little weird.

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.839
<v Speaker 1>We're playing musical chairs and Jerry's the loser. That's now

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Snipper, the Loser. What we've done though today is

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.839
<v Speaker 1>asked Alex Williams, one of our colleagues and pals here

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>in the office, to come in. And we don't do

0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.080
<v Speaker 1>this much, but when we really love a show and

0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:00.759
<v Speaker 1>someone sits fourteen feet from us, well and they do

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.520
<v Speaker 1>something really special. I mean, this is special stuff we're

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about. That's why I said, we really love it. Okay,

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.080
<v Speaker 1>we asked him in, and here he is to talk

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 1>about your great show, Ephemeral. What a comfortable chair, Cherry,

0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.520
<v Speaker 1>I can see what a great chair is that, Frank.

0:56:15.239 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 1>This is Frank. Well he's sitting on Frank. That's right.

0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.920
<v Speaker 1>So welcome Alex. We wanted to have you here to

0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of tell everybody about your show because we love

0:56:24.680 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 1>your show and we could talk about it all day,

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:29.120
<v Speaker 1>but we thought it would be better if you came

0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>in and kind of told the folks like the thought

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.319
<v Speaker 1>behind Ephemeral and what what prompted you to do it

0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:38.759
<v Speaker 1>and what they can expect from it. So go, okay, Um, well,

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:44.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a podcast about artifact, right, the stuff

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that gets left behind and uh, you know, trying to

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>illuminate you know, maybe dark or or sort of forgotten

0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:55.879
<v Speaker 1>corners of history by you know, when we have them,

0:56:56.440 --> 0:56:59.839
<v Speaker 1>by playing the artifacts. And it's an audio show, so specifically,

0:56:59.840 --> 0:57:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, we started with ideas of like tape and

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, film and video, but then you know, sometimes

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:11.280
<v Speaker 1>you get into areas where there's just really no artifacts

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>or artifacts that don't really translate into into the audio medium,

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and then so you experiment a little bit. And so

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the series itself, it's ten ten episodes posted trailer, right,

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 1>and the first season, Yeah, the trailer itself stands on

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:30.800
<v Speaker 1>its own. I think you've said before, I hope. So, yeah,

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 1>it's it's an eight minute this little story about um

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 1>we'll call it like my first there was no podcast,

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 1>then my first radio show. It's a show that I

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 1>a loose you know, connection of thoughts that I would

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>make on my parents Answering Machine. That was my fully

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.640
<v Speaker 1>produced first show at least that I remember. And so

0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>in each episode you kind of find a recovered or

0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:03.280
<v Speaker 1>formulaly lost or um uh it just kind of overlooked

0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:05.920
<v Speaker 1>peace and then kind of dissect it and explain it

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and talk about like it's place in the universe, right,

0:58:08.640 --> 0:58:11.200
<v Speaker 1>And I think one of the episodes was about um

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:14.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of a long lost original TV network, right, the

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Dumont Television Network. Yeah, you guys ever heard of Dumont?

0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:22.439
<v Speaker 1>I had not. Uh. In the Golden Ager television there's

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>four TV networks, ABC, CBS, NBC also with US Today,

0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:30.440
<v Speaker 1>all big radio companies beforehand, I mean big, big, huge brands,

0:58:31.040 --> 0:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>and Dumont was a television manufacturer that got into the

0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 1>broadcasting game at the very beginning. They were the fourth

0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:39.920
<v Speaker 1>network when there was only four. They were only around

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.560
<v Speaker 1>for I think just a little over a decade and

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:46.600
<v Speaker 1>something like twenty thousand broadcasts have been almost completely lost

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>because things just weren't recorded then. Uh, there was no

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 1>real way to record life television. What they would do

0:58:51.360 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>is they'd make something called a kinescope, which should take

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a TV screen and you filmed it with your film camera,

0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 1>and then you have a real that looks terrible. And

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the only reason they make that is so they could

0:59:01.760 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 1>send it off to you know, you're in California and

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:08.400
<v Speaker 1>your affiliates not connected to New York, DC, Philadelphia, etcetera,

0:59:08.440 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 1>on the coaxial cable and so then they show it

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.480
<v Speaker 1>once in California and then they would trash that thing

0:59:13.640 --> 0:59:15.760
<v Speaker 1>or tape over it or you know, film over it

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:19.439
<v Speaker 1>because there was no reruns then right early TV was live.

0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:23.440
<v Speaker 1>It was weird because of it. So the little snippets

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that we have of it left that the few kinescopes

0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that got saved, it's something like three or you know,

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:34.600
<v Speaker 1>somewhat complete broadcast. They're mostly held by individual collectors and

0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a fewer and institutions like the Museum of TV and

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Radio in New York. That's awesome. You also covered one

0:59:42.000 --> 0:59:44.720
<v Speaker 1>of the topics that we've covered in the Best about

0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the Call Your Brothers, which was very cool, And I

0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:49.800
<v Speaker 1>think that's one of my favorite things about the show

0:59:49.840 --> 0:59:52.680
<v Speaker 1>is is so wide ranging. It's like the best episodes

0:59:52.720 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>of this American Life or nine nine percent invisible as

0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 1>far as your approach goes, And that's why I think

0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I loved it from the beginning. You were in the

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<v Speaker 1>Call your Brother's episode very briefly. I know you did

1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:06.120
<v Speaker 1>a walk by, huh, I did I did a line reading.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just leave it at that will be an easter

1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.960
<v Speaker 1>egg for listeners. So all all ten episodes, plus the

1:00:13.000 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>trailer out they're available now wherever you get your podcasts

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.920
<v Speaker 1>right indeed, you have a second season coming. Second season.

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<v Speaker 1>We did our first recording for yesterday. I nice. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how's it going? So far? So good? I got a

1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:30.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of reading to do. Man right on, we'll get

1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 1>to it. We won't keep you any longer, but thank

1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you for coming by. And if you want to check

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<v Speaker 1>out a femeral everybody, you can go check it out

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1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:43.680
<v Speaker 1>you get your podcasts, go check it out now all

1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of those things. Someone asked me to put it on

1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:48.640
<v Speaker 1>an old tape for them, but I haven't done that yet.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a cool way to get it would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming by, Alex, Thanks for having me on. Guys. Well,

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