WEBVTT - Ep82 Re Broadcast "Why Do Your 30 Trillion Cells Feel Like a Self?" Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Although every cell in your body changes such that you

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<v Speaker 1>are never again the same person physically, and your neural

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<v Speaker 1>networks change every hour of your life as you absorb

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<v Speaker 1>new experiences. Why do you have an illusion of consistency,

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<v Speaker 1>as though you're the same person you were a week

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<v Speaker 1>ago or a year ago. What does this have to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the mythical watercraft of the Greek demigod Theseus?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the end of history illusion? And why do

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<v Speaker 1>you go through so much trouble to make things comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>for your future self even though you don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>person and you can be guaranteed that that person is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to feel the same way you do now.

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<v Speaker 1>And if there were an afterlife, what age would your

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<v Speaker 1>deity dial you to for living out eternity? Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Inner Cosmos with me David Eagleman. I'm a neuroscientist and

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<v Speaker 1>an author at Stanford and in these episodes we dive

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<v Speaker 1>deeply into our three pound universe to uncover some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most surprising aspects of our lives. Today, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the notion of having a self and

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<v Speaker 1>what that has to do with our memory. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is a big topic, so we're going to do this

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<v Speaker 1>in two parts. Today, we're going to talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>and why we think of ourselves as lasting through time

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<v Speaker 1>and what that has to do with our memories. And

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<v Speaker 1>in next week's episode, part two, I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>with my colleague, neuroscientist Michael Levin, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>energized and original thinkers in the field, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with him about the way in which memories

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<v Speaker 1>can be thought of like little creatures of their own

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<v Speaker 1>that carry messages in a bottle from one version of

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<v Speaker 1>you to the next. So for today, let's start in

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Greece, where the historian Blutarch wrote about a tough

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<v Speaker 1>puzzle that had been floating around in the Greek philosopher circles,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were all arguing about it. The puzzle was this,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine the ship of Theseus. Theseus was the hero in

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<v Speaker 1>Greek mythology who slayed the minotaur. The idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>Theseus and his crew of Athenians sail back from Crete

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<v Speaker 1>and dock his wonderful ship. But then the ship sits

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<v Speaker 1>in harbor for a long time and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>planks starts to rot, so it gets replaced with new

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<v Speaker 1>and stronger timber, and then that happens with another plank

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<v Speaker 1>on the ship, and another, and eventually, with enough time,

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<v Speaker 1>the entire ship gets replaced, meaning that not a single

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<v Speaker 1>plank is the same as what it was when the

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<v Speaker 1>ship first docked. And the question is is it the

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<v Speaker 1>same ship of Theseus or is it not his ship anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Because every single part has been replaced. Plutarch suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>half the philosophers in Greece argue the ship is still

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<v Speaker 1>the same ship because it retains its identity despite the

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<v Speaker 1>changes to its parts, and the other half of philosophers

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<v Speaker 1>he suggested, argued that the ship is not the same

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<v Speaker 1>ship because no part of it is the same. So

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<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years, the Ship of Theseus has been

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<v Speaker 1>a thought experiment that surfaces these tough questions about identity

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<v Speaker 1>and change. By the way, there are lots of variants

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<v Speaker 1>on this. My father had an axe in the garage,

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<v Speaker 1>and he would always hold it up and tell me

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<v Speaker 1>this was actually George Washington's axe. Oh, but the handle

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<v Speaker 1>has been replaced twelve times and the axe head has

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<v Speaker 1>been replaced for teen times. It was obviously a joke,

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<v Speaker 1>but it got me thinking from a young age about

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<v Speaker 1>the nature of identity in the face of change. Does

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<v Speaker 1>something retain its identity if all the parts change? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why would a neuroscience podcast care about the Ship of

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<v Speaker 1>Theseus or George Washington's acts. It's because that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wholesale replacement is precisely what's happening to your brain and

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<v Speaker 1>your entire body. A big part of the mystery of

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<v Speaker 1>selfhood has to do with the fact that all the

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<v Speaker 1>pieces and parts that make up you are constantly turning over.

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<v Speaker 1>Your body is built out of thirty trillion cells, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is just cellular stuff. Every bit of the cells

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<v Speaker 1>has a lifetime. Most of the cells die or subdivide

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. But even those cells that stick around

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life and don't divide, like your neurons, they're

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<v Speaker 1>totally different every few years. Why because brain cells aren't

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<v Speaker 1>made out of something stable like metal or cement. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they're made out of the basic proteins and lipids and

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<v Speaker 1>other molecules that make up any cell in the body,

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<v Speaker 1>and those things aren't particularly stable. So every single neuron

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<v Speaker 1>and every cell in your body is like the Ship

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<v Speaker 1>of Theseus. Every part of it is getting rebuilt all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. One planket a time, or in this case,

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<v Speaker 1>one molecule at a time. The pieces and parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the cell have no meaningful stability, and so a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of all that cellular machinery is simply building and

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<v Speaker 1>rebuilding and rebuilding, and in this way everything gets replaced.

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<v Speaker 1>So who you are physically changes all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>the question is how does your self stay intact over

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<v Speaker 1>this changing substrate. The answer is it's not clear that

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<v Speaker 1>it does. But cognitively you have this illusion of stability.

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<v Speaker 1>You are one being. You've spent your whole life with

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<v Speaker 1>a fixed history, as in, I grew up here, here's

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<v Speaker 1>my name, this was my hometown, these are my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how my trajectory in life has unfolded, leading

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<v Speaker 1>me from here to there to there. And so we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to hold the impression that our identities are something

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<v Speaker 1>very stable, but in fact who you are drifts in

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<v Speaker 1>this light. It's always struck me as funny to think

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<v Speaker 1>about the notion of an afterlife, because what age would

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<v Speaker 1>you be. Depending on when you get there, you might

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<v Speaker 1>be a very different person than you were even five

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<v Speaker 1>years before that. And so all this inspired me to

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<v Speaker 1>write a short story that's published in my book Some

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<v Speaker 1>sum and I'm going to read that story to illustrate

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<v Speaker 1>the questions of this episode. The story is called Prism.

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<v Speaker 1>God resolved at the outset that he wanted every human

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<v Speaker 1>to particip paid in the afterlife, but the plans weren't

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<v Speaker 1>thought out to completion, and immediately he began to run

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<v Speaker 1>up against some confusion about age. How old should each

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<v Speaker 1>person be in the afterlife. Should this grandmother exist here

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<v Speaker 1>at her age of death, or should she be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to live as a young woman recognizable to her first

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<v Speaker 1>lover but not to her granddaughter. He decided it was

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<v Speaker 1>unfair to keep people the age they were at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of their lives, when much of their beauty and

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<v Speaker 1>alacrity had been worn down. Allowing everyone to live as

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<v Speaker 1>a young adult proved an unviable solution, because the afterlife

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<v Speaker 1>quickly degenerated into unbounded sexual pursuits, and at middle ages

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<v Speaker 1>they talked only about their children and mortgages, making conversations

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<v Speaker 1>in the afterlife. Tedious God finally landed on an ingenious

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<v Speaker 1>solution while watching light diffract through a prism. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you arrive here, you are split into your multiple selves

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<v Speaker 1>at all possible ages. The you that existed as a

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<v Speaker 1>single identity is now all ages at once. These pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of you no longer get old, but remain ageless into perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 1>The ewes have transcended time. This takes them getting used

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<v Speaker 1>to The different beams of you might run into each

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<v Speaker 1>other at the grocery store, like separate people do in

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<v Speaker 1>earth life. Your seventy six year old self may revisit

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite creek and run into your eleven year old self.

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<v Speaker 1>Your twenty eight year old self may break up with

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<v Speaker 1>a lover and a diner and notice your thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>year old self visiting that spot, lingering on the air

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<v Speaker 1>of regret hanging over the empty seat. Typically, the different

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<v Speaker 1>youws are happy to see each other because they possess

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<v Speaker 1>the same name in a shared history. But the ewes

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<v Speaker 1>are more critical of yourselves than they are of others,

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<v Speaker 1>and so each you quickly identifies habits that get under

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<v Speaker 1>your skin. It's a fact of the afterlife. Don't be

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<v Speaker 1>surprised to discover that after decomposition into your different ages,

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<v Speaker 1>the different us tend to drift apart. You discover that

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<v Speaker 1>the you of eight years old has less than common

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<v Speaker 1>than expected with the U of thirty two and the

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<v Speaker 1>U of sixty four, The eighteen year old you finds

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<v Speaker 1>more in common with other eighteen year olds than with

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<v Speaker 1>your seventy three year old you. The seventy three year

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<v Speaker 1>old you doesn't mind a bit seeking out meaningful conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with others of the same generation. Beyond the name, the

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<v Speaker 1>us have little else in common, but don't lose hope.

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<v Speaker 1>The shared resume of life, parents, birthplace, hometown, school, years,

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<v Speaker 1>first kiss has a magnetic nostalgic pull. So once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, the different yous organize a gathering like a

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<v Speaker 1>family reunion, bringing together all your ages into a single room.

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<v Speaker 1>At these reunions, the middle aged will delightedly pinch the

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<v Speaker 1>cheeks of the young, and the teenagers will politely listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the stories and advice of the elderly. These reunions

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<v Speaker 1>reveal a group of individuals touchingly searching for a common theme.

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<v Speaker 1>They appeal to your name as a unifying structure, but

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<v Speaker 1>they come to realize that the name that existed on earth,

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<v Speaker 1>the you that moved serially through these different identities, was

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<v Speaker 1>like a bundle of sticks from different trees. They come

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<v Speaker 1>to understand with awe the complexity of the compound identity

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<v Speaker 1>that existed on the earth. They conclude with a shudder,

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<v Speaker 1>that the earthly you is utterly lost, unpreserved in the afterlife.

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<v Speaker 1>You were all these ages, they concede, and you were none.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're changing all the time. But why is it

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<v Speaker 1>hard to keep track of these changes? Obviously it's because

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<v Speaker 1>everything in our lives and our biology changes so slowly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the hour hand of a clock. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see that it's moved, but you can't see it move.

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<v Speaker 1>In general, we can see change most readily in the

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<v Speaker 1>growth of our children. You look back at photographs from

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago on your phone and you can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>how much things have changed. But it's hard to keep

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<v Speaker 1>track of the changes in yourself. A friend of my

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<v Speaker 1>parents went to his high school reunion, which was taking

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<v Speaker 1>place at a hotel, and he went around looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the different conference rooms to figure out which one was

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<v Speaker 1>the correct class because they were divided up by decades,

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<v Speaker 1>And he thought he found the right room, but he

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<v Speaker 1>popped his head in and he realized that's completely not

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<v Speaker 1>the right room. All of those are very old people.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he stepped back and looked at the sign

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<v Speaker 1>and realized that indeed this was the correct room, and

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<v Speaker 1>he too must presumably look that old to others, even

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<v Speaker 1>if he still thought of himself as young on the inside.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to keep track of our own changes

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<v Speaker 1>because they happen slowly. But maybe the thing that binds

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<v Speaker 1>your self together across the ever changing physical substrate is

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing you have that remains constant, your memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Memory ties all these versions of you together. Memory serves

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<v Speaker 1>as the thread that weaves through all these transformations, anchoring

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of self. So that sounds very nice, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a fundamental problem with this, which is that memory

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<v Speaker 1>itself is not stable. It drifts, and I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this in several episodes. Memory is not a faithful, unchanging

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<v Speaker 1>record of the past. It's instead a fragile brain state,

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<v Speaker 1>and it needs to be reactivated and reconstructed each time

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<v Speaker 1>you recall it. And in this process, memories morph, So

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<v Speaker 1>we can't really think of them as an archive. They're

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<v Speaker 1>more of a story which we continually rewrite. And that

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<v Speaker 1>would be fine to keep rewriting a story, except that

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<v Speaker 1>we assume at all times that our memories form the

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<v Speaker 1>core of a stable identity. So let me give an

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<v Speaker 1>example of how memories change. Imagine that you and two

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<v Speaker 1>friends were at some rooftop party and you were best

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<v Speaker 1>friends since college, and the night was full of jokes

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<v Speaker 1>and old stories, and you remember feeling grateful for this

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<v Speaker 1>bond that you shared, and you can still picture the

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<v Speaker 1>three of you by the fireplace, vowing to never let

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<v Speaker 1>life pull you apart. But now, a year later, everything

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<v Speaker 1>has changed. Those two guys are now enemies. It all

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<v Speaker 1>fell apart because one of them had an affair with

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<v Speaker 1>the other's girlfriend. So now when you think back on

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<v Speaker 1>that rooftop party, you wonder was there something in the

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<v Speaker 1>way he and the other guy's girlfriend exchanged glances across

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<v Speaker 1>the room? You now think you sort of remember there

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<v Speaker 1>were little stolen looks, there was some subtle tension in

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<v Speaker 1>the air. Did your other friends sense that something was funny?

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<v Speaker 1>Even then, the memory that once felt warm and comforting

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<v Speaker 1>now feels different, like a scene in a movie that

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching for the second time but noticing new things. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The past hasn't changed, but your present knowledge of what

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<v Speaker 1>came after that party colors the memory and reshapes it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes you question what was really there and

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<v Speaker 1>what you've unconsciously added. Memory is slippery like that, the

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<v Speaker 1>more you revisit it, the more it shifts and blurs,

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<v Speaker 1>which reminds me of a great quotation from Sigmund Freud

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<v Speaker 1>on this topic. In eighteen ninety six, he wrote letter

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<v Speaker 1>to a colleague about quote, the material present in the

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<v Speaker 1>form of memory traces being subjected from time to time

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<v Speaker 1>to a rearrangement in accordance with fresh circumstances, to a retranscription.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's another quotation that I cite often from a

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<v Speaker 1>writer named John Dufresny, who once wrote that quote, Memory

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<v Speaker 1>is a myth making machine. What we do is keep

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<v Speaker 1>revising our past to keep it consistent with who we

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<v Speaker 1>think we are. So here's where we are so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Our biology is always changing, and so the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>crosses time is our memory. But even that changes all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, drifting or warping or disintegrating altogether. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a result, who you are is always on the move. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been speaking as though we're not always aware of

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<v Speaker 1>so much change happening over time, But of course we

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<v Speaker 1>can come to be aware of this in some circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, when you look back at a diary entry

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<v Speaker 1>that you wrote some years ago, it's often surprising how

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<v Speaker 1>much you've changed, how much the person who held that

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<v Speaker 1>pen is a bit different than who you are now.

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<v Speaker 1>So we do confront this sometimes. But what's weird is

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<v Speaker 1>despite the massive changes that happen in our past, we

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<v Speaker 1>always think that there will be little change in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>We've changed a lot up until now, but now we've

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<v Speaker 1>settled into place and there won't be much change from here.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a cognitive illusion known as the end

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<v Speaker 1>of history illusion. In other words, we can recognize significant

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<v Speaker 1>changes in ourselves when we think about our past, but

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<v Speaker 1>we underestimate how much we're going to change in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>We acknowledge that we've grown or evolved, but we incorrectly

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<v Speaker 1>assume that who we are right now is pretty close

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<v Speaker 1>to our final or mature version of ourselves. This end

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<v Speaker 1>of history illusion was first studied by psychology just like

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Gilbert and his colleagues, and they surveyed people on

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<v Speaker 1>their values and their preferences, their personality traits, their life goals,

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<v Speaker 1>and across the board. They found that people consistently believe

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<v Speaker 1>that they've undergone more change in the past than they

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<v Speaker 1>will in the future. But of course it's an illusion

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<v Speaker 1>because change is a continuous process. In other words, if

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<v Speaker 1>I ask you now if you've essentially finished changing in life,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're likes and personality have settled, you'll say yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I track you down and ask you again

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<v Speaker 1>in five years, you'll say, actually, the past five years

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<v Speaker 1>did hold a lot of change for me, but now

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<v Speaker 1>I've finally arrived at my stable self. And it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same story if I survey you five years after that.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is problematic because, for example, we're always trying

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<v Speaker 1>to predict our future emotions. You think, oh, if I

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<v Speaker 1>get that job promotion, or if I'm in this relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>or if I have kids, or if I don't have kids,

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<v Speaker 1>this will make me real happy. Or if I lose

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<v Speaker 1>this job and I have to find a new one,

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to make me miserable. This is what psychologists

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<v Speaker 1>call affective forecasting, where we project how we think we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to feel, but it's based on your current limited

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge about the world, and that might change. So why

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<v Speaker 1>do we have an end of history illusion. Well, presumably

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<v Speaker 1>it's because it's easier for us to see the past

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<v Speaker 1>changes because we have memories and experiences to draw from,

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<v Speaker 1>but future changes are hidden in the midst of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what they are, so let me give

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<v Speaker 1>you some concrete examples of this. Think about the way

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<v Speaker 1>we have our career goals. As a thirty year old,

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<v Speaker 1>you might look back and realize your career aspirations have changed,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe significantly, from the time you were twenty, but you

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<v Speaker 1>might assume that your current career goals are unlikely to

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<v Speaker 1>change much in the next ten years, even though lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people shift career paths or professional interests throughout life.

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<v Speaker 1>Or think about your music preferences. Are older, you may

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that your taste in music has evolved since your

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<v Speaker 1>teenage years. Maybe you went from poper rock to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>jazz or classical. But despite that, you're likely to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that your current musical preferences are going to remain stable

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of your life, even though your musical

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<v Speaker 1>tastes are going to keep evolving with exposure to new

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<v Speaker 1>genres and bands and instruments that don't even exist yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We're thinking about friendships. In your early twenties, you might

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<v Speaker 1>reflect on how your circle of friends has changed from

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<v Speaker 1>high school to college. There's a big shift in relationships there,

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<v Speaker 1>but you might simultaneously feel certain that the college friends

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<v Speaker 1>you have now are going to be your closest companions

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<v Speaker 1>for life. That's a totally understandable position, but it underestimates

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<v Speaker 1>how friendships shift as you enter different life stages, like

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<v Speaker 1>when you start a family or you move to a

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<v Speaker 1>new city. The same reasoning applies to everything. So take

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<v Speaker 1>hobbies and interest When you're in your fifth these you

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<v Speaker 1>notice that you've taken up new hobbies and given up

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<v Speaker 1>old ones over the years, but you'll generally believe that

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<v Speaker 1>your current interests will remain consistent for the coming decades,

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<v Speaker 1>when in fact, new hobbies and interests will still emerge.

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<v Speaker 1>You just can't see that because they're ensconced in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark forest of the future. Possibly there's some new technology

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to be obsessed with that hasn't even

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<v Speaker 1>been invented or named yet. Okay, And the one that's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard for us to admit to is future changes

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<v Speaker 1>in our political values and social beliefs, and possibly religious beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>When you look back on any of your beliefs from

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<v Speaker 1>a decade ago, you can sometimes see there have been

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<v Speaker 1>some changes. But again, we tend to assume that our

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<v Speaker 1>current values are now locked into place for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives. We all fail to anticipate that our

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<v Speaker 1>worldview is going to continue to get reshaped by life experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>by new information, by changing social contexts. In a decade,

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<v Speaker 1>we might not be precisely who we are right now. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole end of history illusion wouldn't really matter for

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<v Speaker 1>our lives, except that it affects how we make decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>Because so much of what you do is in service

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<v Speaker 1>to the assumed future you. You suffer through courses and

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<v Speaker 1>trainings now to make things better for your future you.

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<v Speaker 1>You sweat through a workout so your future you will

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<v Speaker 1>have a better body. You put your money into retirement

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<v Speaker 1>plans to make sure that the future you has the

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<v Speaker 1>resources that you predict that stranger will need. The difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>simply is that we're not good predictors. You don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know who that person is. That person shares your name

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<v Speaker 1>and your history, but the fact is that person might

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<v Speaker 1>be very different than the current you. So you're donating

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<v Speaker 1>your retirement money for this future person that you can

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<v Speaker 1>essentially guarantee will be not who you currently believe. That

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<v Speaker 1>person might vote for the other political party what you

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<v Speaker 1>would never vote for and yet you're slaving away and

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<v Speaker 1>handing over all your money to that maniac. And you

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<v Speaker 1>also do stuff assuming the best about your future self,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes that's not useful either. We tend to assume

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<v Speaker 1>that our future self will be more motivated or disciplined

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<v Speaker 1>than we are today. So because of that, you might

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<v Speaker 1>sign up for an expensive gym membership believing that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>be more committed in the future, but then you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really follow through. Your future self isn't as on board

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<v Speaker 1>with the plan as your past self believed it. As

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<v Speaker 1>a related example, I'm chronically over committed because at every

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<v Speaker 1>moment I assume that my future self is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be less busy than I am now, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>say yes to future invitations or obligations like taking on

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<v Speaker 1>big new projects or attending multiple social events, And when

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<v Speaker 1>the time arrives, my future me wishes that my past

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<v Speaker 1>me hadn't over committed. And more generally, we fall victim

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<v Speaker 1>to lots of planning fallacies. We underestimate how long it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to take to complete some task. You might think cool,

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<v Speaker 1>I can knock that thing out in a week, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you find that it takes twice as long. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens because we typically fail to correctly predict all

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<v Speaker 1>the possible setbacks and complexities that will run into in

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<v Speaker 1>the future. My favorite example of a planning fallacy is

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<v Speaker 1>with a gentleman named James Murray who in eighteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight set out to write the English Dictionary. And the

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<v Speaker 1>idea was to capture all the words in the English

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<v Speaker 1>speaking world and give definitions for all of their various

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<v Speaker 1>shades of meaning. And this seemed like a big undertaking,

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<v Speaker 1>but not big enough that he couldn't complete it in

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<v Speaker 1>a few years. So he worked on this for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six years until he died, and then several editors took

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<v Speaker 1>up the mantle after him, and the first edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Oxford English Dictionary was finally completed seventy years after

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<v Speaker 1>he began. He totally misapprehended the size of the project,

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<v Speaker 1>and if I were here, I presumably would have done

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<v Speaker 1>the same. So as a result of this sort of

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<v Speaker 1>planning fallacy, we're constantly making decisions that our future selves

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<v Speaker 1>are going to regret or disagree with. Why. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>because we're idiots now, but instead because our circumstances and

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<v Speaker 1>our preferences and our priorities are go to change over time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me zoom back out to the big picture.

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<v Speaker 1>We are creatures who live and change through time, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're yoked with this illusion that we are unchanging, and

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<v Speaker 1>so we misremember our past and we work hard for

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<v Speaker 1>future versions of ourselves who we assume will be like us,

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<v Speaker 1>but they may not be. And by the way, there

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<v Speaker 1>are all kinds of complex relationships between your future self

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<v Speaker 1>and your past self through time, so it gets pretty crowded.

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<v Speaker 1>Your past self says, oh, I'm not gonna worry about

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<v Speaker 1>my future self, and your future self looks back and says,

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<v Speaker 1>what a jerk like When people make the decision in

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<v Speaker 1>the short term to postpone their education or splurge on

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<v Speaker 1>some overpriced thing, and then your future self thinks, dang,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I'd gone to that class or spent my

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<v Speaker 1>money on something more meaningful or necessary. This comes up

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<v Speaker 1>for many people. In terms of retirement savings. People will

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<v Speaker 1>make the decision to spend now rather than save for

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<v Speaker 1>their future self. They keep thinking, oh, I'll start saving later,

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<v Speaker 1>But then as retirement approaches, your future self feels mad

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<v Speaker 1>at your past self and wishes you had started saving earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>and I suspect this is true. Anytime we choose instant

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<v Speaker 1>gratification over long term goals, our future selves look back

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<v Speaker 1>and they're mad about it. And all this highlights the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge of balancing short term desires with long term outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, your self in the moment now versus

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<v Speaker 1>yourself in the future. So let's wrap up. In the

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<v Speaker 1>next episode, Part two, we're going to dive deeper into

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<v Speaker 1>all these paradoxes of the self by talking with my

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<v Speaker 1>colleague neuroscientist Mike Levin, who wrote a recent paper in

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<v Speaker 1>which he pointed out that quote if we do not change,

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<v Speaker 1>learning and growth is impossible. If we do change, does

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<v Speaker 1>not the current self cease to exist in an important

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<v Speaker 1>sense end quote. So let's summarize where we got in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. We began by looking at the illusion of continuity,

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<v Speaker 1>and we use the ancient thought experiment of the ship

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<v Speaker 1>of Theseus, where one plank of the ship gets replaced

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<v Speaker 1>at a time, and we can ask is it still

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<v Speaker 1>the ship of Theseus after every plank has been replaced.

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<v Speaker 1>We looked at this question because we are always surfing

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<v Speaker 1>on top of constant physical changes, and yet we perceive

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>ourselves as consistent over time. The planks and theseus's ship

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>are the cells and molecules in your body, and this

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>foregrounds the question about what makes you the same person

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<v Speaker 1>over time. We asked the question of whether we can

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<v Speaker 1>really say that memory is the thread holding identity together,

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<v Speaker 1>because the truth is that memory is far from reliable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's constantly being rewritten. And finally, we touched on a

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive bias known as the end of history illusion, which

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<v Speaker 1>is where we massively underestimate how much we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>change in the future, even though we're aware that we've

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<v Speaker 1>changed in the past. We tend to believe that our

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<v Speaker 1>current tastes and values and personalities are going to remain

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.639
<v Speaker 1>consistent from here on out, even though we keep on

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:17.800
<v Speaker 1>changing throughout our lives. So you can't actually be your

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>past self. But as we'll see in part two next week,

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>we constantly try to reconstruct that person. We constantly try

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<v Speaker 1>to revivify that past self based on the evidence provided

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<v Speaker 1>by reinterpreting the clues that are left by them. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, the memories that are buried in the neural network.

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<v Speaker 1>In this view, memories are like a message in a bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>Thrown from your present self into the ocean for someone

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<v Speaker 1>to find, and that someone is a future you who

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<v Speaker 1>you don't necessarily know. Go to eagleman dot com slash

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