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Speaker 1: To know is like Alicia in her mind, right now

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Emily Abadi. Here you are listening to episode

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Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty two of Hurdle, a wellness focused

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Speaker 2: podcast where I connect with everyone from your favorite athletes

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Speaker 2: to top experts and industry CEOs about their highest highs,

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Speaker 2: toughest moments, and everything in between. We all go through

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Speaker 2: hurdles in life, and my goal through these discussions is

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Speaker 2: to empower you to better navigate yours and move with

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Speaker 2: intention so that you can stride towards your own big

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Speaker 2: For today's episode too, I am chatting with Alicia Newman.

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Speaker 2: She is an Olympic pole vaulter, the first pull vaulter

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, Alicia gets really vulnerable about the twenty

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Speaker 2: it with different medications that she didn't want to be on,

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Speaker 2: For those that don't know much about pole vaulting, essentially

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Speaker 2: Alicia and I talk about some of the different tools

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Speaker 2: on OnlyFans, plus the most interesting takeaway on how she

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Speaker 2: hurdle Podcast. I myself am over at Emily a body.

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Speaker 2: I'm personally so amps because I'm going to be hitting

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Speaker 2: and I'd love to answer your questions about travel, wellness,

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Speaker 2: Minute Friday. The link to do that is in the

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Speaker 2: I am sitting down with Alisia Newman. She is an

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Speaker 1: So those are different. Those are, like, you know, a

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Speaker 1: and he put me on this vitamin regiment. Within three

436
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: four months, I felt completely better and completely different. But

437
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: it took a while. And I think that that's what

438
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: is so negative about our society right now. You know,

439
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 1: we're so used to this quick fix. You know, I

440
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: want a little bit bigger lips. Okay, I'll go get

441
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: some lip in plants. Okay, I want to skin your

442
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: away so well you can get fat reduction. Make me

443
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: put on your back, you know, like it's such a

444
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: quick fix instead of like making these proper, proper life decision,

445
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: that's going to be like an investment in yourself to

446
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: get the long term of being healthier. And that was

447
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: our goal. Doctor Amand's goal wasn't to get me back

448
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: on the track. He's like, I just want you to

449
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: get back to being happy human, feel like you have

450
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: a purpose in life. And when he said that to me,

451
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: that's when I knew it wasn't a good like a

452
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: good situation, and I needed to take time away. And

453
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: I did step away six months from pole vaulting completely

454
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: erase my mind from any negative that had created. Because

455
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: even though I was at one of the highest levels

456
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: at the Olympic games and I didn't jump. There's trauma

457
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: from that, right, Like you go to a highest Olympic

458
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: game and you're talking to people and I remember people saying,

459
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: like my conversations at the Olympics were, I don't really

460
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: care that I'm here. Like I developed these words and

461
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: this trauma in those sixteen days of being at the

462
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: Olympics that were rooted in my brain as well. And

463
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: that's what people underestimate on how you speak to yourself,

464
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: on who you surround yourself with, people being positive and uplifting.

465
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: I was being so negative that it became my thought process,

466
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: and that's what was the hardest to change the view

467
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: on life. Everything is half full now, you know. Everything

468
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: in my life is oh, oh that's exciting. That's exciting

469
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: that I got a parking ticket. I'm donating to the city,

470
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: Like that's my lifestyle now, you know.

471
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: Wow, Just so many nuggets in here.

472
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: First and foremost, I watched you're sit down with doctor Amen,

473
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: and you know, when you're talking about having the right

474
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: people on your side, it's very clear that that's a

475
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: relationship that happened for you. And I saw that you

476
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: got emotional when you talked to him about how you

477
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: felt when you couldn't see. You know, you couldn't see

478
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: because there were these bright lights and people made you

479
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: feel as though it would just get better. And in reality,

480
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: your literal chemistry, your bringing chemistry in this moment because

481
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: of what had happened to you, was making it impossible

482
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: to do the thing that you had so easily at

483
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 2: one other time exceled in. So in this work with

484
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: doctor Aman, what would you say has been one of

485
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: your biggest light bulb moments?

486
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the first was the lifestyle change, and

487
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: that's just my daily vitamins, you know, like I get

488
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: my blood taken every three months. I'm on iron, I'm

489
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: on probiotics, I'm on magnesium before ben, I'm on B complex,

490
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm on vitamin D and like a Tumeric to help

491
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: with my joints before and after practice. So that was huge.

492
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: But what was huge about that was being consistent then

493
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: realizing just because you've got your blood taken and you

494
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: were deficient for this time, something's going to be different

495
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: next time and you have to adjust. So your body

496
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: does adapt and your body does hold level. So when

497
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: I got my blood taken six months from that three months,

498
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: I was I didn't need any more vitamin D, so

499
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,880
Speaker 1: we decreased it a little. So I think what's important

500
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: is being consistent with yourself and constantly showing up for yourself.

501
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: But what was like the best thing was constantly realizing

502
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: you're growing and you're a different person every single day

503
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: and being okay with that, but kind of making it

504
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: like cool, like what's going to happen today, you know,

505
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: like what's new today. And then I invested in a

506
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: hyperbaric chamber. So I take ninety minute naps every other

507
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: day in the hyperbaric chamber. And that is just like

508
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: so cool because it allows me to get in this chamber.

509
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: You can bring your phone, you can work, you can

510
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: do whatever you wanted in there. But for me, that's

511
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: my time to like be off social, be off everything

512
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: and just like take a nap and let my brain

513
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: rest with lots of oxygen in that chamber. So that

514
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: was a huge thing because the vitamins help. But then

515
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: we are wearing and tearing on the mental performance and

516
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: mental health every single day, so you need to go

517
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: another next level up and then we did. So these

518
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: are steps, right, So this was like, you know, the

519
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: first six months was changing up vitamins and really stand

520
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: on top of that. Then we added the hyperbarre chamber.

521
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Then finally and doctor even never pressed me, and that

522
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: was what was so cool about our relationship, and he

523
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: is one of my best friends like till this day.

524
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Was he goes, alcohol is bad for you. I don't

525
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: know why you drink it, but I understand why you

526
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: have a glass every so often and you do that.

527
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: And then twenty twenty two came around and I was like, gosh,

528
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of being fourth and fifth. What is

529
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: going to like get me to that next level? I said,

530
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: why don't I just start with taking out alcohol? So

531
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: I started September. Actually, remember the last night I drank.

532
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: September twenty second, twenty twenty two was the last time

533
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: I drank.

534
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: What was that night?

535
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: It was crazy at the weekend concerts, so it was

536
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: like it was a perfect finale night, a lot of

537
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: tequila shots, a lot of athletes out and partying and

538
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: dancing on a Thursday night actually, but it was fun.

539
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: But that next day I come to myself and probably

540
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: a little because I kind of felt like shit in

541
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the morning as well. So when I woke up, I

542
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: was like I think I'm going to do it this season.

543
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go cold Turkey and see and

544
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work, nothing Like, I don't lose anything.

545
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: I'm still fourth or fifth.

546
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: Like I'm not getting better, not getting worse. It is

547
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: what it is. And then I went and I won

548
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: the Indoor World Tour in February, and I just was

549
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: like wow, Like not that it was easy, but I

550
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: gave myself a level up from the other girls, if

551
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And I'm not saying all the other

552
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: girls drinks. Some don't, some do, but it just made

553
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: me feel more not only like more physically better, but

554
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: like I said, I was present. I was able to

555
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: have conversations that I remembered I had with them six

556
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: months ago, and my friendships got stronger. My family members

557
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: became closer to me because I could remember these things.

558
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it's just because of the drinking,

559
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: but it definitely was a huge part of that recovery

560
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: and completely feeling invincible again and getting that evidence back

561
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: that it took a long time to even feel that.

562
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: And I've been working with doctor Emond for two years now.

563
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was going to be my next question is,

564
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: aside from you know, cutting out the alcohol, in this

565
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: timeline of recovery, when would you say you actually really

566
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: started to feel like your old self when it came

567
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: to hitting the runway and pull vaulting.

568
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: I would say probably January. Like I was having practices

569
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: that my coaches are so funny because they're just like

570
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: they see me as like the best in the world,

571
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: and I love that. But I would jump and they

572
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: would like giggle like with each other, like, oh my god,

573
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: this looks so good.

574
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's gonna.

575
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: Be so And that's kind of how I knew I

576
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: was getting back to where I was in twenty nineteen,

577
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: but better like and that that was cool for me

578
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: because I thought, and that's what a lot of people

579
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you get injured, you get hurt,

580
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: they have that saying you take two steps back to

581
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: take two steps forward or whatever, but no, like within

582
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: that matter And I understand twenty nineteen to twenty twenty

583
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: three is three years, four years, but really it came

584
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: back a lot faster because I dedicated that time and

585
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: I was consistent, and to get to that level again

586
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: was there was always there, it was just from within

587
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: and that was the difference.

588
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: And I love what you were kind of getting at

589
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: about what's the worst thing that can happen? Like, the

590
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: worst thing that could happen for you was that you

591
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: ended exactly where you started, right, So to.

592
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: Make a small change and just experiment.

593
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: You knew that the cost benefit analysis, like there were

594
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: potentially a lot of benefits for you. But if the

595
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: worst thing is just being where you started, then that's

596
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: not actually all that bad, no.

597
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: And that's what I think people are scared of, like

598
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,959
Speaker 1: not scared of like them losing fun, but maybe scared

599
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: of seeing how cool and how much more potential they

600
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: have with something that society is not doing because society

601
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: is doing it, so when I'm not doing it, And

602
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: that was the huge mental shift, Like I want to

603
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: be in an environment, not as above society, but in

604
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: an environment that they might be making the wrong decisions.

605
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: And so when I'm in and when I'm in a

606
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: room now and I'm in a party, like I feel

607
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: so confident because I'm like they're not taking care of

608
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: their brain health and I am right now and I'm present,

609
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: and they're not going to remember tonight, and I'm going

610
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: to remember these memories and so it's not about being

611
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: better to like show off to people. It's about being better,

612
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: like feeling better in yourself, like, oh my gosh, I

613
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: woke up, I got my workout in the next day,

614
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I had a whole day, and I don't feel like shit.

615
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sad, I'm not overthinking. Like all these things

616
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: stemmed down and it's a right now. Alcohol And it's cool.

617
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: I think doctor Amon I was just on the phone

618
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: with him yesterday and he said, I think Switzerland or

619
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's Sweden. Sweden or Switzerland is now putting on

620
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: their alcohol labels could cause cancer and brain health problems.

621
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: So it's kind of cool to see that one country's

622
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: kind of going in and doing that now. But it's

623
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: just like how back in the day cigarettes and now

624
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: cigarettes are the worst thing for us, and we have

625
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: to realize that our society is trying to make money

626
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: right off of us. And I don't disagree on not

627
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: having a good time. I love having good time. I

628
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: love torking, going to clubs and turning up I do.

629
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: It's so much fun. But there's also so much peace

630
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: and so much fulfillment in going home to a good

631
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: sleep and waking up having a full day the next

632
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: day as well.

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658
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Speaker 2: I also want to dial back a little bit to

659
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: the period of time where you decided, along with doctor Aman,

660
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: that you were going to treat what happened to you

661
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: and the root causes of some of the issues that

662
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: you were dealing with, rather than just put a band

663
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: aid on it. You mentioned the hyperbaric chamber for those

664
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: that may not know, Basically, what happens inside of a

665
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: hyperbaric chamber is that the air pressure and size raised

666
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: to a level that is higher than normal air pressure,

667
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: and then that increased air pressure in the chamber helps

668
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: the lungs collect more oxygen. So through this essentially getting

669
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: more oxygen to your chin, shoes can help the body, heal,

670
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: fight infection, all the things that are really good, especially

671
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: if you're trying to level up your athletic performance, and

672
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: again heal your brain from a very real injury.

673
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that that's like our whole life.

674
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: We talked about concussions all the time, stay away from screens,

675
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, sleep and take your time to get back.

676
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: But it's like more needs to be done with those.

677
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: And then brain injuries can also come from traumas, and

678
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Like, you know, having a conversation

679
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: with someone that hurts your feelings, that's like a little

680
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: bit of trauma, and people underestimate that. And that when

681
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I started realizing, like if people are being negative, even

682
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: about other people, those are little traumas in my brain

683
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: that will go off and it will stick with me.

684
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to be around that. So that's

685
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: why my environment's changed as well.

686
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then this goes back to your whole five percent,

687
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 2: et cetera circle method. It's so interesting to hear it

688
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: described in that way, right. We can liken it to

689
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: when you do an interval workout, and that creates those

690
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: small muscular traumas, those small muscular tears, which we often

691
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: give between twenty four and forty eight hours before working again.

692
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: So can you imagine what would happen if.

693
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: Every time you just felt a little stressed out, you

694
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: took twenty four to forty eight hours off of that

695
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: one person, that one situation that one thing, what it

696
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: could do for our personal betterment.

697
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: It's so cool and that's such a I've never heard

698
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: that perspective, Like that's huge. And one thing I mean

699
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: I could give advice is one thing that we've done

700
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: is kind of switch the mind of like if someone's

701
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: being negative. So there's sometimes like I'll be on the

702
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: in field and the girls will be like, oh it's

703
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: windy out, or it's like this. I sit back and

704
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: they're in the red, so they're batteries in the red.

705
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: But the more negative I hear from them, the more

706
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: green I'm getting because I'm not saying it. So that's

707
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: kind of how you avoid it. So doctor Aaman and

708
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: I I have figured out mentalities and analogies to try

709
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: to avoid, to try to not just have to walk

710
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: away from a person, right because that's kind of mean too.

711
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: So any negative that is coming out of their mouth

712
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: is coming into my ear positive though it's windy, oh,

713
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: well it's going to be a nice day to day,

714
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Like you know it's windy. Oh it's a nice brush

715
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: of fresh air, you know. So the negative turn into

716
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: the positive, which then you internalize and that fills your

717
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: green battery. Up is what we do.

718
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: And this takes practice and skill, right, It's not like

719
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden one day you can decide like

720
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: I want to filter everything from red to green for myself.

721
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: You really need to take the time to learn how

722
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: to adapt and adopt that mindset.

723
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: It's huge. And that's the thing. It was like, I

724
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: never like to take thialinol or medication because it's like

725
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: my body's trying to tell me something. It's like, okay,

726
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 1: if I'm feeling a little like the other day, for example,

727
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: I had I had flown an overnight flight, then had

728
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: two days, then was flying all the way back to

729
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: Memphis and then jumped but it was like one hundred

730
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: and three fahrenheits so thirty six celsius. And then I

731
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: flew again the next morning at four am, and I

732
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: hadn't had sleep, and when I landed, I was like,

733
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want a pull vault right now.

734
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, wha, whoa, what's happening? And

735
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: I called doctor Aim And that's why I called him.

736
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: I said, I'm feeling like I don't have a purpose

737
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: right now. He goes, well, I all vac knows my skeedule.

738
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: He goes, well, I've seen you gone to six different

739
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: time zones the last four weeks. How about you try

740
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: a twelve hours sleep tonight and then get back to

741
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: me tomorrow. And again, I woke up this morning completely

742
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: different mindset. And that's why when you're at your when

743
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: you're at that's why they talk about when you're intoxicated,

744
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: you're not making the right decisions. Same with when you're fatigued,

745
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: when you're burnt out at the end of the work week,

746
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I need to celebrate and go get

747
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: a drink. You should go and celebrate and take a

748
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: nice nap, then maybe go on and socialize, you.

749
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 3: Know, celebrate with that nap.

750
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you're saying though about these different mindsets,

751
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: and I know that one of the mindsets that you

752
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: personally adopt when you are out there, you call your

753
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: superhero state. Talk to me a little bit about what

754
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 2: that means for you.

755
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well, again, pull vault is not your

756
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: normal on the ground. You know, staying on the ground,

757
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: you're really catapulting yourself to higher heights and defining gravity,

758
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: which takes a little bit of imagination and so for me,

759
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: I needed to find like just the same thing. When

760
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: I put certain makeup on for that day, it's like

761
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: my war paint, Like I'm coming out of this time

762
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: to battle. And a superhero is is is in selfish,

763
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: so it's powerful and people look up to it, but

764
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: you're there to protect others. Well, the protection from me

765
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: in that analogy is to inspire others. So I put

766
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: on this armor and it ends up not being about me.

767
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: It's about, you know, going to World Championships. It's not

768
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: about me jumping high and breaking the Canadian record and

769
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: bringing home a medal about my career. It's about representing

770
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: the country at my best ability and being proud to

771
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: be Canadian and wearing that armor and that superhero feel.

772
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: So that's that to me, is a mentality I have

773
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: to bring myself to because if I don't, then it

774
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: just feels like an every other day, if that makes sense.

775
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: And in practice those are just kind of normal days

776
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: because we're working on cues that I want to adapt

777
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: that will be consistent in practice, that will transfer over

778
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: into the competition. And I just feel like when you

779
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: see a superhero, you just are like whoa, or there's

780
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: something that's going to happen, or you're on the edge

781
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: of your seat. So that anticipation allows people to forget

782
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: what's going on in their life. And I know, and

783
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: I know life is an easy and life's not hard,

784
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: and you have to really work on your happiness and

785
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: your inner self and your purpose in life. And so

786
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: if I can take that anticipation to them for two

787
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: hours in their week when I'm competing worldwide, then that

788
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: is a fulfillment for me to be one of the

789
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: best pull vulters of all time.

790
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: It also sounds like through going into this superhero mind state,

791
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: so to speak, you're really allowed to focus on what

792
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 2: is instead of worrying about what isn't.

793
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, and that's and that's the best part is

794
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: like what is what isn't? You could go back and

795
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: forth all day. But what is so cool is you're

796
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: just present and you're here, and you're you're raising the

797
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: bar as high as you can for entertainment to please

798
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: people around as well. And I think that that's really cool.

799
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: Now that entertainment value and how you show up has

800
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 2: certainly ebbed and flowed over the last three four years,

801
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: especially with the pandemic. These days, do you feel as

802
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: though track and field your sport, it's finally back to

803
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: this perception, this place that we were pre pandemic.

804
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: I think track and field has always been overlooked pre

805
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: post pandemic, but definitely when it was in the pandemic,

806
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: you could definitely see this drop off. And I do

807
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: feel like we're getting back to where it was before.

808
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I just got back from London,

809
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: UK in July, so July twenty fifth, I think I

810
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: got back and it was fifty thousand attendants sold out stadium,

811
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: and that is huge for us because when you go

812
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: to countries like that and they support track and field

813
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: to that elite level, you're elevated. You're like, Okay, it's

814
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: time to put on a show. You know, fifty thousand

815
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: people are here to watch me. And I do feel

816
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: like we are actually going to get better, because I

817
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: do feel like little movements in women's sport is slowly

818
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: getting better as well, and I think that that's so

819
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: cool that we're able to showcase in front of so

820
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: many people. But track and field will always be considered

821
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: an amateur sport, and that is some people's biggest issue

822
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: with it, you know, it's doesn't get you don't get

823
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: paid that type of money to be at that level,

824
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: you know. But again you have to realize a lot

825
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: of us wish we could get paid what the one

826
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: percent of amateur sports do, but not everyone's going to

827
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: get paid like that. And I would still do POVO

828
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: with or without an income. I wouldn't do POVO if

829
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't at the best competitions, that's for sure. I

830
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: think that that's just my pride and probably a little

831
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: ego in me, just because I've seen it at a

832
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: high level. But I definitely feel that track will always

833
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: be the it's sport of the Olympics, and you can't

834
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: make a sport every four years if you want it

835
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: to be the best or in the world.

836
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, yeah, yeah, So it means that

837
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: there needs to be more dollars that not only go

838
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 2: into supporting track and field, but then also supporting women

839
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: in track and field and supporting the visibility, especially when

840
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: you get to know the different modalities that are happening

841
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: in the center of the track. Right, it feels like

842
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: there's less and less awareness about that.

843
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: Now.

844
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: I don't always love to jump back and forth like this,

845
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: but I feel like I would be remiss if we

846
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: didn't at least give the hurdlers a little bit of

847
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 2: insight into how you started pole vaulting, because it goes

848
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: without saying it's not like the most jazzy, dazzling sport

849
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: option that there is.

850
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know. And that's so funny because I

851
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: still to this day, like I talked to Nei Ali

852
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, I'm ready to come hurdle with you, girl,

853
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: like whenever, and she just laughed. Likely, so you're so

854
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: good at puvoll, just stick to puvall. But that's me

855
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: how my career started. I started as a hurdler after

856
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: a gymnastics injury, and and I loved it. But to me,

857
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, like even gymnastics, you know,

858
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: you put in I was training about like twenty eight

859
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: to thirty two hours a week, depending on that level,

860
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: and there was four events, so you were able to

861
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: kind of like be out on the floor for four

862
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: five hours, right, and you can showcase your different strength

863
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: on being bars, vaults or floor. When I went to track,

864
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: I tried all the events and it was fun because

865
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: it was taking up my time. But then I wasn't

866
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: the best at every event. I was really good at

867
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: hurdles and really good at pole vaults, and so I

868
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: loved hurdles. I loved that it wasn't just as straightaway

869
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: run as fast as you can. I love that there

870
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: was obstacles in between. But then I didn't like that

871
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: you were only on the runway for twelve seconds. Like

872
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, I train all this time to run twelve

873
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 1: seconds and fly across the world to run twelve seconds

874
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: and do all this for twelve seconds, Like pole vault

875
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: really gave me this time to showcase and jump and

876
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: be in it and have this like this this fun

877
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: atmosphere where you get to socialize with the girls, And

878
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of one of my favorite part. I know,

879
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: the sprinters are a little more like intense when they

880
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: get to the line, and then a lot of them

881
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: probably don't hang out after. And for us pole vaulters,

882
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: we're stuck with each other for four hours on the infield,

883
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: so we get to talk to them about you know, life, families,

884
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: some have babies, you know, we talk about stuff and

885
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: you become very connected and it becomes like a family

886
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: to you. And I think that that is why pole

887
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: vault became such a dominant but hurdles. I go watch

888
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 1: it every single Olympics. I watch Nia all the time.

889
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm like her biggest fan, and I have the best time.

890
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: The pure grace, Like it's no surprise to me that

891
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: you have a background as a ten year professional gymnast,

892
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: because you look at like the grace and skill that

893
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: you have in the air when you're doing this what

894
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: looks like superhuman task and it is absolutely stunning. And

895
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: also of note, in your first ninety days of pole vaulting,

896
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: at the first meet you ever went to, you broke

897
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: the meat record, so you were kind of dustined for

898
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: greatness from the moment that you began.

899
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I laughed that. I tell my mom, I

900
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: was like, Mom, you couldn't just like put me in

901
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: a sport a that made a lot more money for

902
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: females and be that kept me on the ground. She goes, well,

903
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were just were so fast, so

904
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I just put you in track.

905
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 2: You brought up money a few times now, so I

906
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: just want to ask you a question on that. I

907
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: know that you're a Nike sponsored athlete, you also have

908
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 2: some other partnerships and sponsorship deals and at one point

909
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: you even dipped into only fans.

910
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 3: How has only fans been for you?

911
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: And how do you feel about the stigma that surrounds

912
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 2: other content on the platform?

913
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know. It was one of those

914
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: things like I a I am so proud to be

915
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: a Nike athlete. I have a picture of when I

916
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: think it was in my eight year old birthday and

917
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, Mom, I want a NIKEI cake because I'm

918
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: going to be a Nike athlete one day. So this

919
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: really cute picture of a Nike cake and with all

920
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: my friends standing around. So I knew I wanted to

921
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: be obviously one of the best athletes of all time

922
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: and get sponsorship, and I wanted my career to be

923
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: more more than just about your performance. I wanted it

924
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: to be about interaction with people and elevating people to

925
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: be at their best potential in life. Like that to

926
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: me is like priceless, like changing someone's life. You can't

927
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: pay somebody one hundred million dollars and then completely change

928
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: your life unless you're consistent about it. And I think

929
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: that that was something I wanted to impact and knew

930
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: that I was never going to get paid for it.

931
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: But then I have this other side of me that

932
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: is an entrepreneurial and I do love a little bit.

933
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to say drama, but I like a pizaz.

934
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: I like to be different than everyone else, and I

935
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: wanted to be a part of the only fans community

936
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: because of what type of brand I had developed. But

937
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to be compensated for it because I felt

938
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: like my lifestyle was so cool to a point that

939
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring people around we that were track

940
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: fans that will never get an experience like I could,

941
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: And I just felt like that was always unfair that like,

942
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: just because I'm an Olympic athlete, no one could ever

943
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: see what the Olympic village looked like because they will

944
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: never be an Olympian. So my thought was, I obviously

945
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: knew like I didn't have the best lead up to

946
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Tokyo twenty twenty one, and I wanted to somehow monetize

947
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: myself and my career that year on giving back to people.

948
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: And this was this is when I go in selfish

949
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: because I knew like I couldn't really get a medal, like,

950
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: so how can I still bring pizam through myself? And

951
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: some spark and to make it give myself attention. And

952
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: so I said, well, covid hit, there's no attendance to

953
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: the Olympics, no one's allowed to come. How can I

954
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: bring my fans to the Olympics. And that's when my

955
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: agents and I we talked about why don't you launch

956
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: an OnlyFans for sixteen days?

957
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: And I was so like, I.

958
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Don't know, like the bad rap, like you know, that's

959
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: kind of where the adult entertainment went because everything was closed,

960
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: and that's where it became like a huge thing. I said,

961
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to be associated, not because I'm embarrassed

962
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: at them, but because I don't want people to think

963
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: like I'm a part of anything that's X rated, right,

964
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: And so they're like, well, there's bitter spee. If you

965
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: can have thick skin and you can be a part

966
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: of it, you'd be the first Olympian to do it.

967
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: And I think it'd be pretty successful, not just by

968
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: getting your brand up, by getting noise about the Olympics,

969
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: and then an income on top of that. And so

970
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: I said, I sat down for a couple of like

971
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: weeks with them. I talk to my parents, I talk

972
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: to my siblings. I talk to everyone and they're like,

973
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know why you wouldn't like because my sisters

974
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 1: and my sister and my brothers, they'll watch me online.

975
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: And the number one things like reporters would say is

976
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: like talk about our looks, talk about what we're wearing,

977
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: talk about our eyes, talk about our hair and what

978
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 1: is And it's like people already do it. The people

979
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: already sexualize women in sport because of.

980
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: The outfits we wear.

981
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: And I said, so, that's not going to be any different.

982
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: So I said, fine, you know what, let's do it.

983
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: Let's see how it goes. It went so well, girl,

984
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: And I'm still on it now and I don't need

985
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: to promote it because I have a huge following on it.

986
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: I do so well on it. But what has made

987
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: me so excited about it is I've never had to

988
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: go into that adult entertainment X rated. But it's to

989
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: a point for me it's like I am so happy

990
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: I did it because I've now monetized myself in a

991
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: way that I can control all the outcome of it.

992
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: Like I've sold some workouts, Like I've written workout programs

993
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: for people on there. They pay for them and to

994
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: me that I can do that and get you know

995
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: that income for my time has been way more beneficial

996
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: for me and the most incredible thing I've done in

997
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: my career. And again, I don't really care what people

998
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: say about me. I've never been that person because I

999
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: don't understand why people get all worked up on people

1000
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: they don't even know saying stuff. It's like, how can

1001
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: you take that personal? If my mom were to say

1002
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: something that was different? And that's why I went to

1003
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: my family at first, and when they didn't care, and

1004
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: they didn't and they said, We're okay. My Dad's like, girl,

1005
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: you should monetize as much as you can. And we did,

1006
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: and we had limits and that those were our limits.

1007
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: And I'm completely proud and would do it all over again,

1008
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: and almost I wish I would have done it sooner.

1009
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: You have something like thirty five thousand people that subscribe

1010
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: to your only fans, and I think it starts at

1011
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: about twenty dollars a month. So that's a little side entrepreneur,

1012
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: if you will.

1013
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It was like I wanted more

1014
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: than I have I do. I have this lifestyle that

1015
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: I want to live and it's it's definitely not going

1016
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: to be off of a amateur athlete's income, and you know,

1017
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: and that's that's just the life it is, and that's

1018
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: what I want. So I decided to be I think

1019
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: it was one of the second or third Olympians to

1020
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: launch that, and it went really well and I still

1021
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: have it to this day, and I'll definitely do another

1022
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: round and even better for Paris. I think Paris. For

1023
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: my followers and fans, they're gonna be excited because I'm

1024
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: going to wear a camera on my shirt every day

1025
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: and then editors are going to edit and post it

1026
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: up for them. So that's what it is like during

1027
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: COVID and what it was like now with outside of

1028
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: a pandemic.

1029
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: Very different vibe. Right now, as someone goes to your

1030
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 2: Instagram page, they see a two time Olympic pol vaulter

1031
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: with something like almost six hundred thousand followers. When you

1032
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: look in the mirror, alsha, what is it that you

1033
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: see looking back at you?

1034
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: I am so like I love turning the impossible to possibilities.

1035
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 1: I don't do well with people that say no or

1036
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: don't agree with being better. I have a very lowsh

1037
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: like they could say, like a small amount of energy

1038
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: for those type of people. And I think that that

1039
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: is what I'm most proud of who I've become. I

1040
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: literally never give up and the things. There's been one

1041
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: one thing in my life that I've given up on

1042
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: and it was a must because it was unhealthy for

1043
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: me and him. And I think that that to this

1044
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: day doesn't eat at me, but it just it was

1045
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: like I couldn't help or I couldn't fix. And I

1046
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: think that that's what I'm so thankful for, Like I

1047
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: will go to the ends of earth, especially if I

1048
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: love you, to make an environment healthy and happy and

1049
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: to uplift people, because I think we need more of that.

1050
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: And it's not about money, it's not about looks and

1051
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: what you have materials. It's about the energy you can

1052
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: give to somebody that just maybe will make their heart

1053
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: a little bit happier that day. And that's the type

1054
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: of energy I hope I can give to everyone that

1055
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: meets or comes across my path.

1056
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1057
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: What I'm hearing you say when it comes to the

1058
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 2: situation that you had to quote unquote give up on,

1059
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 2: is that you just choose yourself.

1060
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's true because if you sit there

1061
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: and you do analyze an unhealthy and abusive relationship. You

1062
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: I think you're in it because you want to keep

1063
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 1: building and developing and getting better. But then there's a

1064
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: point where it's just you. Like you said, you have

1065
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: to choose yourself, and I'm so lucky i did. Like

1066
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: I know so many friends of mine that are in

1067
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: that right now. And if there's any wisdom is like

1068
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: I always say, people like nothing venture, nothing gain, try

1069
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: to take space away from it and see if your

1070
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: life does get better or not. And for me, I

1071
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: couldn't see it until like five six months later. And

1072
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm so fortunate because now it's so be a little

1073
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: funny because I actually feel more powerful single than I

1074
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: do in a relationship. And I think that you need

1075
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: to get to that point in your life so that

1076
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: you can then be the best mother, the best friend,

1077
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: the best daughter, the best sibling you know, and the

1078
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: best girlfriend and wife. And I'm very fortunate for that

1079
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Speaker 1: experience because I don't think I'd be as strong as

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Speaker 1: I am today without it.

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Speaker 2: As well, firstly, yell at from the rooftops. I feel

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Speaker 2: more powerful single than I do feel in a relationship.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are a lot of people that need

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00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: to hear that listening to this right now, and this

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00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: really just expands upon the through line. Here you talked

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Speaker 2: about how difficult and saddening and frustrating and dark it

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Speaker 2: felt to go through the hurdle of navigating that concussion.

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Speaker 2: Likewise here going through what was at times as you

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Speaker 2: articulated a somewhat emotionally abusive relationship. Both of those things

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Speaker 2: so awful in their own right, but on the other side,

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Speaker 2: now you can see the beauty in what were these

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Speaker 2: really difficult moments.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that you don't you don't build

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Speaker 1: that character without failure or negativity or realizing you don't

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: like you're not okay, Like if you or we're good

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Speaker 1: all the time like you would, you would not be

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Speaker 1: living like these emotions and these these obstacles allow you

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Speaker 1: to feel like a human, And I think we underestimate that,

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Speaker 1: Like being not okay is like so beautiful, Like knowing

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Speaker 1: that the spot you're in in your life you don't

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Speaker 1: want to be here. It's awesome because now you know

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be in this situation. So let's

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Speaker 1: fucking move forward and let's try to make myself feel better.

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Speaker 3: What uh, what excites you right now? Alisha, Oh, that's

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Speaker 3: a good question.

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited because I've gotten on the phone with

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Speaker 1: a couple of well A World Championships huge coming forward.

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited. But as a lot of people, we

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Speaker 1: don't talk, we try not to overthink pool. But off

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Speaker 1: the track, I've been looking into private lending, so I

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Speaker 1: would love to open up my own private lending, be

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Speaker 1: a little corporation that I could help out, whether it's

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Speaker 1: other athletes, because I mean, if you don't, if you're

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Speaker 1: not in amateur sports, you know how hard it is

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Speaker 1: to qualify for a mortgage, how hard it is to

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Speaker 1: get off your feet because your income is so sporadic.

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Speaker 1: You don't have in Canada, we don't have like that

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Speaker 1: T four. You know that you're getting bi weekly or weekly.

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Speaker 1: So if I could do some private lending and work

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Speaker 1: with athletes to help them get a mortgage and get off,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of like what I'm really excited. I've been

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Speaker 1: learning a lot about that the last month and doing

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Speaker 1: a couple of phone calls with a couple of companies

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Speaker 1: about starting that. So hopefully after Worlds I can get

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Speaker 1: that up and going as well.

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Speaker 3: Wow, love this entrepreneurial side of you.

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Speaker 2: It's like my sets up call with Alisia for next

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Speaker 2: week to talk about money.

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Speaker 3: Okay, amazing.

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Speaker 2: No, I just like so jazzed by you and so

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Speaker 2: excited for you, and truly it feels really inspiring. I've

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Speaker 2: inspired to hear you talk about your both enthusiasm for

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Speaker 2: Spore and for everything else in life, knowing that the

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Speaker 2: journey hasn't been easy. And I think it's so important

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Speaker 2: to talk about that because a lot of people lose

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Speaker 2: sight of the fact that quote unquote overnight success isn't

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Speaker 2: overnight at all.

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Speaker 1: Oh not at all. And I think like, the longer

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Speaker 1: you're in it and you put more in it, the

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Speaker 1: less you'll give up. So if you're investing in yourself

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Speaker 1: every day you put some time, you put that money in,

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Speaker 1: then you can go back and be like, no, it

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Speaker 1: still don't feel good. It's been two months, but I

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Speaker 1: put in all this time enough or why am I

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Speaker 1: giving up? And like, I think that that's huge because

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Speaker 1: again I didn't start feeling good for my concussion until

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Speaker 1: three four months after getting on the right regiment, and

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Speaker 1: there's time to give up. But that is I always

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Speaker 1: say that too, and That's why I never retired after Tokyo.

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Speaker 1: You never make a decision, a huge and drastic decision

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Speaker 1: at your lowest, never like that is the number one

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Speaker 1: rule I live by. So whether I'm tired and I'm

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Speaker 1: like I don't want to do anything, I kind of

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Speaker 1: do opposite because I'm like, uh uh, don't make a

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Speaker 1: drastic decision, you know. And that's huge for me and

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Speaker 1: it's helped me actually listen to my gut more than

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Speaker 1: my heart or emotions. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Gotta follow your guy? Well, that's an amazing piece of advice.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you for one more.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 2: You have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: advice going through that really difficult hurdle moment, wondering if

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Speaker 2: maybe it was the end of the road for you

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Speaker 2: and your pull vaulting.

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Speaker 3: Career after that concussion.

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Speaker 2: Knowing what you know, now, what advice would you offer

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Speaker 2: yourself going through that hurdle moment.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest hurdle moment obviously was that concussion.

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Speaker 1: And for me, like I wish I was more kind

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Speaker 1: to myself. I wish I allowed myself for imperfection and

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Speaker 1: go through the imperfection phase. I wish I allowed myself

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Speaker 1: to feel negative and be okay with the activity, and

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Speaker 1: that was huge for me. Once I realized and was

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Speaker 1: on the other side, was like, yeah, I didn't feel good,

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Speaker 1: But I wish I would have said, it's okay because

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Speaker 1: this is where you're at, and just know that there

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Speaker 1: will be a better ending as long as you're putting

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Speaker 1: that time and that effort in.

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Speaker 2: Meet yourself with where you're at. I am so happy

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Speaker 2: that we're able to do this, Alicia. For those of

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Speaker 2: the hurdlers that don't follow you just yet, how do

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Speaker 2: they follow along with you?

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Speaker 3: How do they keep up with you? Give me the details, Dee.

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Speaker 1: It's probably social because we answer quite a bit of

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Speaker 1: people on social So if anyone has questions, just at

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Speaker 1: Alicia Newman on Instagram and then all my other links

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Speaker 1: are connected under there Beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast

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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.