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Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all's Episode ninety three of Native Lamb Pod.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, uh here with my co host y'all.

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Speaker 1: Like when I say that, people I know, I'd.

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Speaker 3: Be like, I am your host here with my subjects.

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Speaker 1: And ain't nobody coming to see you?

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Speaker 3: Otis we're just gonna talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Mean to say it like that, we are your three

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Speaker 1: co hosts. That's probably a better way to say it.

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Speaker 1: We are your three co hosts, Tiffany Cross, Angela Rii,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew Gillham. I also feel like we always put

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Speaker 1: you last.

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Speaker 4: Andrew.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to come mind men, you know boys, Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, me and here chivalry fivlry exactly. Okay. We

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Speaker 1: had a lot to get to. What's a lot happening?

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Speaker 1: So what are we talking about?

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Speaker 5: Well, one, we got a spectacular guest today who I

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Speaker 5: am very very excited that we'll get a chance to

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Speaker 5: talk to. She is really all knowing, all being everywhere

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Speaker 5: on all things. And that's that's you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I said, I'm talking about you.

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Speaker 6: Said, all being all knowing, I'm like, everywhere I hear that. Okay,

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Speaker 6: what you got, Angela, I got the same. I got

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Speaker 6: democracy on the line, and I want to talk about it.

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Speaker 6: We also are talking about uh, Donald Trump even going

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Speaker 6: at the museums. We've heard about this for some time.

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Speaker 6: He's saying, you know why we all got to focus

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Speaker 6: on slavery, and sadly there was a black show with

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Speaker 6: a black show host that allowed a guest to challenge

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Speaker 6: this very same thing. So we're gonna get into all

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Speaker 6: that today. What slavery bad?

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Speaker 1: We are unfiltered on Native Lampard and I'm honestly chomping

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Speaker 1: at the bit to get into all of this. So

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. I'm so excited to bring on

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Speaker 1: this next guest. Angelo texted our group chat last night

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Speaker 1: that she had texted Madame Chryln Eiffel to join us,

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Speaker 1: and I was so thrilled that she was available to

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Speaker 1: join us. So let me tell you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: If you've been living under a rock and don't know.

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Speaker 1: Miss CHERYLN. Eifel is a civil rights lawyer, a founding

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Speaker 1: director of the Fourteenth Amendment Center for Law and Democracy

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Speaker 1: at the Howard University School of Law. She most recently

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Speaker 1: before that position set at the helm of the NAACP

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Speaker 1: LDF and has a long list of accolades that we

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Speaker 1: have her here. I was honored to be there actually

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Speaker 1: when she commenced the opening of the Fourteenth Amendment for

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Speaker 1: the Center of Law and Democracy at HU. For all

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Speaker 1: you Howard people out there listening, so very thrilled to

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Speaker 1: welcome you to Native Lampa. Welcome home.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so much. I'm really thrilled to be with

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Speaker 7: you all in Tiffany. I don't feel like I had

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Speaker 7: the chance to really thank you for being there. Meant

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Speaker 7: opening of the new Fourteenth Amendment Center at Howard Law School.

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Speaker 1: I was thrilled to be there and thank you for

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Speaker 1: which is very on theme with what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I told these guys, I told Angela and Andrew. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember what you were talking about, but you were saying

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Speaker 1: And this huge section of people started clapping and you

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Speaker 1: So it just speaks to the leader that you have

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Speaker 1: our resident attorney. But our friend Aaron Haynes said, listen,

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Speaker 5: Years of school years of service.

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Speaker 6: They actually have something. They have something for this. It's

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Speaker 6: Oh Man, well, you know how much we love you, Shrilyn.

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Speaker 6: I was sharing with the team earlier. We have a

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Speaker 6: a very clear indication of where we are as a democracy.

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Speaker 6: And I would love for you to talk about where

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Speaker 7: Really right now fighting over the remnants. We're fighting over

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Speaker 7: I have one of the reasons I wanted to start

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Speaker 7: in the twenty four to seven work of thinking through, strategizing,

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Speaker 7: And but but to build it, I recognize you need

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Speaker 7: There's no guarantees there, and it's a ways off. And

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Speaker 7: after us. But right now, you know, democracies are made

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Speaker 7: But what will make this democracy completely crumble if it does,

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Speaker 7: And if you tick off those lists for all of

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Speaker 7: Systems of government are not just about who gets elected

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, don't go anywhere. We got to pay

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Speaker 3: That's powerful. That's extremely powerful and sobering.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't expect anything otherwise from you, Sherilyn. Your

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Speaker 5: the fragility is like front and center. But the second

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Speaker 5: you never let a good crisis go to waste. And

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Speaker 5: what you build on top of when things are lost?

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Speaker 5: All is lost in the slate is almost cleared. There

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Speaker 3: Is leveled, what do we build back? Or what never existed?

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Speaker 5: Do we now make some allowance to exist so that

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Speaker 3: Any thoughts come to mind to you? For I know

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Speaker 3: the answer is yes.

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Speaker 7: No, Yeah, thoughts are I think about. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 7: Governor of Florida. But amen, But uh, you know, I

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Speaker 7: that smells really good, and you want to go over

436
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Speaker 7: there and look at it, and you're you know, your

437
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Speaker 7: older sisters are saying, get out, go over here, get

438
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Speaker 7: leave those people alone, but you want to see. You know,

439
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Speaker 7: what's that meat they put on the grid? I've never

440
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 7: seen that. But like, there's all this stuff that's happening

441
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Speaker 7: in a public space, and you are just without having

442
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Speaker 7: to have an explicit conversation up accommodating the differences around you.

443
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Speaker 7: You get on the New York City subway. We don't

444
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Speaker 7: talk about it, but there is an understanding. As you're

445
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Speaker 7: holding the pole, right, people's hands are different places on

446
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Speaker 7: the pole. You don't put your hand over somebody's you

447
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Speaker 7: know what I mean. There is a whole accommodation that

448
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 7: happens when we're together. It's very different you all sitting

449
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Speaker 7: in four us, all sitting in four different studios right now,

450
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Speaker 7: or if we were in an auditorium together and we

451
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Speaker 7: were sitting next to each other, because we would very quietly,

452
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Speaker 7: without even talking about it, decide whose arm went on,

453
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Speaker 7: which armrest right, And we might say, oh, Andrew, you're

454
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Speaker 7: the tallest, so you still on the end, so your

455
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Speaker 7: leg could be.

456
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Speaker 4: There's all kinds of things we.

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Speaker 7: Do just in the process of being together. That's actually

458
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Speaker 7: not about who did you vote for. It's actually not

459
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Speaker 7: about race. It's actually it's not about any of that.

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Speaker 4: And we just do it.

461
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Speaker 7: Without those opportunities, without those experiences, it is very difficult

462
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 7: to begin to knit together a population. I understand this

463
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 7: is a small example, but it is. If you scale

464
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 7: it up, it becomes university, right, it becomes public housing,

465
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 7: it becomes all of those places where the stakes are high.

466
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 7: And so when you see this effort, this unrelenting effort,

467
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 7: since it started against affirmative action and now against DEI right,

468
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 7: it is a deliberate counter to creating context that compel

469
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Speaker 7: us to be together and to see one another, to

470
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Speaker 7: see one another's humanity in an environment that asks all

471
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Speaker 7: of us, as of all of us, the same thing,

472
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Speaker 7: and where we have the opportunity to bring the same

473
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Speaker 7: thing to the table. So one thing is thinking about

474
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Speaker 7: how we would restructure and this is even architectural. That's

475
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Speaker 7: why it's a multi disciplinary project. What do we want

476
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Speaker 7: our cities to look like? What do we want our

477
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Speaker 7: towns to look like? I believe the schools should be

478
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Speaker 7: the center of the town, right, everything you know about

479
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 7: a community you should know by visiting their elementary school,

480
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 7: their high school. You should just know whether they value kids,

481
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Speaker 7: whether they value sports, What did they believe about green space,

482
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Speaker 7: What did they believe about food and access? What did

483
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 7: they you know, all of that stuff should be So

484
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Speaker 7: we were even thinking about, you know, we were getting

485
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Speaker 7: infrastructure money. That's what I was thinking about. I mean

486
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Speaker 7: I pushed very hard but with the Secretary of Education

487
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Speaker 7: and the Biden administration as they were making their plans

488
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Speaker 7: that we needed school infrastructure money.

489
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Speaker 4: We needed to be.

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Speaker 7: Able to build new schools so that we could see

491
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Speaker 7: it differently and pull kids together differently, you know, So

492
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Speaker 7: it requires that kind of thinking. Obviously, I have lots

493
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Speaker 7: of thinking about law and my profession. I have lots

494
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Speaker 7: of thinking about the Supreme Court, which is I'm no

495
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Speaker 7: longer interested in the conversation about the personnel. I'm interested

496
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Speaker 7: in a conversation about structuring a Supreme Court that could

497
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Speaker 7: make sense.

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Speaker 1: And obviously I'm glad you brought up the Supreme Court,

499
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Speaker 1: where unfortunately our time is always so tight on this podcast,

500
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Speaker 1: so we mainly have time for another one or two questions,

501
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Speaker 1: so I just want to try to get one in.

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Speaker 1: You said a lot there one you you gave a

503
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Speaker 1: shout out to Brandon Scott. I just want to let

504
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Speaker 1: our listeners and viewers across the country know that is

505
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Speaker 1: the mayor of Baltimore, who you gave a shout out to.

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Speaker 1: You also bringing up the courts, because I have a

507
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Speaker 1: lot of lay persons questions about what we see happening here,

508
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Speaker 1: and I want to take us to the very current

509
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Speaker 1: situation of what's happening in Texas. And I was asking

510
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Speaker 1: Angela earlier in the week about keeping the Cole Collier, who's,

511
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Speaker 1: of course the state representative in Texas, who is and

512
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Speaker 1: from my lay person's perspective is being held captive.

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Speaker 10: She is.

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Speaker 1: It looks like false imprisonment to me, and so Angela

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Speaker 1: and our friend Brittany Packnet Cunningham were s to me,

516
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Speaker 1: you know, language around the rules for their legislature, which

517
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Speaker 1: they were trying to explain to me is essentially treated

518
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Speaker 1: like the law. Sunny Hassen, another fellow lawyer, saying, this

519
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Speaker 1: is what exists until a court says it doesn't. I

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Speaker 1: keep saying, I do not believe the courts will hold

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Speaker 1: I just and everything that you laid out from a

522
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Speaker 1: capitulating media landscape that we see to the third co

523
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Speaker 1: equal branch of government, I don't see the courts holding.

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Speaker 1: So even if this case were to go before a

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Speaker 1: court saying yes, you cannot lock this black woman up,

526
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Speaker 1: what is wrong with you all? I don't. I think

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Speaker 1: it can just escalate, perhaps all the way to the

528
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. So what And it sends a message, I think,

529
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Speaker 1: to the country, to other potential Republican governors, that it

530
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Speaker 1: is okay to we already see it's we've declared it's

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Speaker 1: okay to kidnap people off the street without due process.

532
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Speaker 1: Mass men can come and snatch any one of us

533
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Speaker 1: we've already declared that. And so this is very scary

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Speaker 1: to me that we're almost normalizing this, that we're talking

535
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Speaker 1: about it. I see on cable news they present it

536
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Speaker 1: like it's fodder, like well, what do you think about

537
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Speaker 1: this instead of outrags like oh my god, where is

538
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Speaker 1: the country going? I'm just curious your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 1: And I know had another question, So I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to take up to ms CI. I'll be able

541
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Speaker 1: to get to her question.

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Speaker 7: I'll do it real fast. I think you hit, you know,

543
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Speaker 7: the nail on the head. It is true that you know,

544
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Speaker 7: this stuff will be litigated and there'll be whatever a

545
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Speaker 7: court says. It'll be first whatever the highest court in

546
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Speaker 7: Texas says, uh, and then it'll be what the Supreme

547
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Speaker 7: Court says. And I just think you hit the nail

548
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Speaker 7: on the head. The reason this time is so scary

549
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Speaker 7: is because the courts have not held. Now there are

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Speaker 7: the courts, and the courts, the federal district courts have

551
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Speaker 7: been amazing. And what has been shocking to see is

552
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Speaker 7: how much the Supreme Court, the majority of conservative justices

553
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Speaker 7: on that court, are so set on their agenda that

554
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Speaker 7: they are willing to disparage and pull into disrespute, ill disrespute, irrepute,

555
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 7: ill repute. The federal district court judges, right, who are

556
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 7: deciding things they don't like. But the Federal district court

557
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 7: judges are the ones who are like pulling out the

558
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Speaker 7: facts and figuring out exactly what happened. And so I

559
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 7: think you have every right to be alarmed by the

560
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 7: fact that the courts may not hold. And that's why

561
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Speaker 7: it was so important for people to understand the significance

562
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Speaker 7: of the courts. It was important for advocates like me

563
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 7: and others to make clear to our people why the

564
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 7: courts were so significant, and to make it understood, and

565
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Speaker 7: to make it understood in layman's terms, and to get

566
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Speaker 7: out of the whole conversation, the insider conversation about the

567
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Speaker 7: courts and the justices and who's an institutionalist and so

568
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Speaker 7: on and so forth. I've watched every Supreme Court confirmation

569
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Speaker 7: hearing since I was.

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Speaker 5: Ten.

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Speaker 7: It did right, I mean, this is this is my thing,

572
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 7: you know, Like, I'm so clear about it. And I

573
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 7: just think that we have now gotten ourselves in quite

574
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Speaker 7: a pickle. And I don't think there's any easy way

575
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Speaker 7: out of it. I think there's some things that John

576
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 7: Roberts will will it pumped the brakes on, but never

577
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 7: never about race. He's always been one of the leaders.

578
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Speaker 7: He worked in the Break and Justice Department. He was

579
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Speaker 7: vociferously opposed to the amendments to Section two where the

580
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Speaker 7: Voting Rights Act. He has always been an anti civil

581
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Speaker 7: rights person. So there may be other things that you know,

582
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Speaker 7: on an executive power that he may you know, come

583
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Speaker 7: around on. But it ain't going to be on is

584
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Speaker 7: section to a violation of the fourteenth and fifteenth Amendments.

585
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Speaker 7: It's not going to be I've become convinced it's not

586
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 7: going to be on birthright citizenship, like it's not going

587
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 7: to be anything that doesn't serve this current agenda. And

588
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 7: the mistake I think that many of us got too late,

589
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Speaker 7: myself included is while I knew that these I've always

590
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 7: said they were right wing, I did not know they

591
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 7: were a MAGA until the decision saying that the president

592
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Speaker 7: has immunity for any acts he commits while he's president,

593
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Speaker 7: as long as they can be deemed as official acts,

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Speaker 7: including criminal acts. Was that the beginning of the unraveling?

595
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Speaker 7: Was it that moment you know it. That was the

596
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Speaker 7: for hostallization. That was the crystallization that they are. I

597
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 7: thought so with the insurrection decision, the decision to basically

598
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Speaker 7: kind of stand down section three of the fourteenth Amendment,

599
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Speaker 7: which says, if you participated in insurrection, you can't be

600
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Speaker 7: on the ballot. And Colorado had removed President Trump from

601
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Speaker 7: the ballot in twenty twenty four, and the case went

602
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Speaker 7: to the Supreme Court and they said a lot of

603
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Speaker 7: things and in the end said, well, we would need

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Speaker 7: an Act of Congress, even though you have it clearly

605
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Speaker 7: set forth in the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 4: I thought so.

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Speaker 7: Then because of the descent from Justices Soto, Mayor Jackson,

608
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Speaker 7: and Kagan, I felt their dissent. The tone of it,

609
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Speaker 7: the words they said was a flair. I thought they

610
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Speaker 7: were warning us of what was happening with their colleagues.

611
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Speaker 7: They weren't just saying that they were right wing. There

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Speaker 7: was some language where they said, you know, you've taken

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Speaker 7: a decision in order to insulate this president or any

614
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Speaker 7: after him like that, in order to insulate him like

615
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Speaker 7: just It really stuck out to me, and that's when

616
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Speaker 7: I first thought, like, are they telling us that Wait

617
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Speaker 7: a minute, right, And then we got the the immunity decision,

618
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Speaker 7: and that has convinced me in ways I had not

619
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Speaker 7: been convinced before. And it's frightening. It's very very frightening,

620
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Speaker 7: and there's no easy way out of it at all.

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Speaker 1: But I say all of that, oh, go ahead, go ahead, I.

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Speaker 7: Just I don't say this too so that we are

623
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Speaker 7: in despair and believe that there's no way out. Because,

624
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 7: you know, civil rights advancement, it is like a cocktail

625
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 7: of things. You know, we all know the different elements

626
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 7: that we use. You know, it's there are boycotts, and

627
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 7: there are stand downs, and there are general strikes, and

628
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 7: there are there's litigation, and there's marching, and there's protesting,

629
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Speaker 7: and there's shaming and there's educating and these are all

630
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 7: the elements and then you shake them all up. But

631
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 7: there's always something else that is completely unexpected that we

632
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 7: don't have any control over, that also ends up in

633
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 7: the mix, that moves things in ways that are unexpected.

634
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Speaker 7: My concern always is like, have you put all the

635
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 7: other stuff in the in the mix so that we're

636
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Speaker 7: ready to go when the when the when the day

637
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Speaker 7: x MACNA happens, When the when the secret sauce comes

638
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 7: from the outside to move things forward. It's not all

639
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 7: the secret sauce is not always great, by the way,

640
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 7: it's sometimes very painful. In the civil rights movement, there's

641
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 7: nothing that we got that didn't happen before. There was

642
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 7: some horrifyingly violent attack. We don't care.

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Speaker 6: Then you mentioned sorry, You mentioned that you didn't want

644
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Speaker 6: us to be in despair. And in a special moment recently,

645
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 6: we were wrestling with this question we've been doing on

646
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Speaker 6: the podcast too, what is not under attack in this country?

647
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Speaker 6: And you mentioned a really special conversation you had with

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Speaker 6: Hank Sanders in Selma, and I would love for that

649
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Speaker 6: to be our partying words, to give us a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit of hope. And so I said, we don't have

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Speaker 4: a silver lin anymore as glitter.

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Speaker 7: And to be clear, I am always hopeful. I am

653
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Speaker 7: when people ask me if I'm optimistic, I'm optimistic because

654
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Speaker 7: I know what the end is going to be. I

655
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 7: understand that the struggle to get there. In that struggle,

656
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Speaker 7: many people will be heard. That's what infuriates me, empowers me.

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Speaker 7: And we have the right to try to minimize those

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Speaker 7: as much as possible. But I don't have any doubt,

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Speaker 7: any doubt of where we're going to be because we

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Speaker 7: don't fight with the same tools they fight with.

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Speaker 6: We just don't.

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Speaker 7: And Hank Sanders, whose civil rights activists and lawyer served

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Speaker 7: in the State House in Alabama, always says to me

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Speaker 7: that during the civil rights movement, they had all the

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Speaker 7: law and all the guns and all the dogs, and

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Speaker 7: we had our prayers, our songs, our feet, and our

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Speaker 7: moral sense of what was right, and we were able

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Speaker 7: to overcome them again and again. And so if we're

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Speaker 7: counting up, you know what they have and what they got,

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Speaker 7: all these Spreme Court justice they got, all this, they

671
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Speaker 7: got all that. That's not really how it works. We're

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Speaker 7: not going to work. We're not going to win using

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Speaker 7: their tools. We're never going to have as much money.

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Speaker 7: We're never going to have the weaponry or the willingness

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Speaker 7: to use it. We're never going to have all the

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Speaker 7: offices that they control. We're never going to have the

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Speaker 7: same level of political power. We are fourteen percent of

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Speaker 7: the population of the United States. We're not having it,

679
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Speaker 7: but we punch above our weight. There's a reason that

680
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Speaker 7: white people, when they do the Washington Post pole, think

681
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Speaker 7: that we're fifty percent of the population because we are

682
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Speaker 7: just so we saturate, because we control the culture, because

683
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Speaker 7: we control the narrative, because they like to look at us.

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Speaker 7: There's all kinds of little intangibles about who we are

685
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Speaker 7: as black people in this country that gives us power.

686
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Speaker 7: And when we show up in the space, when we speak,

687
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Speaker 7: it ruptures something, It disturbs, it troubles the waters. And

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Speaker 7: so we have to not think we are smaller than

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Speaker 7: we are. We shouldn't think we're bigger than we are,

690
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Speaker 7: for sure, but we should know that we fight with

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Speaker 7: tools that maximize our size in ways that cannot be

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Speaker 7: explained by math. You know, it's like feeding the five

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Speaker 7: thousand with some you know, however, many.

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Speaker 4: Loaves of breads.

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Speaker 7: Right, it's not math, it's not ma Right. There is

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Speaker 7: a spiritual power. And when we are activated and united

697
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Speaker 7: and believe that we are going to walk towards what

698
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Speaker 7: is right, it maximizes power and it disarms our opponent.

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Speaker 7: That's what we have to go for. It's not that

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Speaker 7: we want to fight them hand to hand and somehow

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Speaker 7: we win in hand to hand combat. No, we want

702
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Speaker 7: to take the knowledge, the numbers, the force, the moral force,

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Speaker 7: the demand the strategic thinking that we have and disarm them.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to make them let their own arms down.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to make them stumble first and foremost. I

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Speaker 7: don't want to fight them at full strength. I want

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Speaker 7: them to trip and fall and then we can fight.

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Speaker 7: I want them to forget something that's important. I want

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Speaker 7: them to I want them weak. Yeah, and that's the

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Speaker 7: power we have, is to disarm our enemies so that

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Speaker 7: we are in a better position to overcome them.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel so inadequate calling you, Sherilyn. It

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Speaker 1: feels so I don't know why. It feels so uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I should be saying your honor, the honorable, Yes,

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Speaker 1: her excellency, thank.

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Speaker 6: You, profess Her excellency.

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Speaker 1: The prophetes.

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Speaker 5: May know this, you may know this already, but I

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Speaker 5: am a very, very verbal and expressive like a man corner.

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Speaker 5: And my colleagues warned me the muzzle so that I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't mess with your audio. And I felt like I

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Speaker 5: was going.

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Speaker 3: To explode like a balloon all the.

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Speaker 5: Way through this thing because bringing it as you always do.

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Speaker 5: And so I've got to adopt some of my Grandmama's

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Speaker 5: you know, church mannerisms where you know, she can't mean yeah,

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Speaker 5: you know, but thank you.

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Speaker 4: I was on mute. Amen. I literally have to be like,

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Speaker 4: it's good.

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Speaker 5: Overwhelming, and not just with the warnings and the forecasting

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Speaker 5: because they told us we didn't believe and I want

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Speaker 5: to hear I can't wait to read that in your book,

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Speaker 5: but but also the resilience. You're reminder of our resilience,

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Speaker 5: our punching above our weight, our endurance, and the fact

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Speaker 5: that we do know what the end is going to be.

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Speaker 5: Let's not pretend there's some things we do know and

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Speaker 5: it's not in a book, but it's been assured, right,

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Speaker 5: it's already been promised.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We have come back. We would really love

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Speaker 1: to have you back, and I hope I get to

741
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Speaker 1: see you in person again soon. Anytime you're doing something

742
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Speaker 1: at Howard I would be honored to be there and

743
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Speaker 1: show up. And we're so grateful to you for taking

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Speaker 1: time to join the idea we should.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we'll do a live pod with the Fourteenth Amendment

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Speaker 6: Center to Howard Law.

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Speaker 4: If we can do it, let's do it.

748
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Speaker 7: Let's do we have the perfect in the Law library

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Speaker 7: is beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you. Sharylin.

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Speaker 7: We death, yeah, in the center space itself. We should

752
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 7: do the show. It would be amazing and the students

753
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 7: would absolutely love it, and we owe it to them.

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Speaker 4: This is tough for them.

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Speaker 7: This is tough for them and our job right now.

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Speaker 7: We have to unlock the doors they have. We have

757
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Speaker 7: to give them a chance to understand how this fits

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Speaker 7: in the whole thing. We have to help them.

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Speaker 4: Understand that.

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Speaker 3: Yourself. Until we see you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you doing good, Thank you, thank you Carolyn. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: that was so great, you guys. I mean, honestly, she's

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Speaker 1: so amazing. Something that I really take away from that

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Speaker 1: I struggle with. I still question is what is Because

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Speaker 1: she talked, she touched on this, and I appreciate her

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Speaker 1: saying like we will get through this, Like she's not

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Speaker 1: suggesting that we are in despair. I love what she

768
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Speaker 1: shared from with the conversation with her and Hank Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think that's such a I would

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Speaker 1: have loved to hear it from him saying this is

771
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Speaker 1: all we had. It's just I feel overwhelmed. But the

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Speaker 1: thing that I'm left with is what is our red line?

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Speaker 1: And just quickly for the viewers, if you all are

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Speaker 1: as struck as we are. Please please please spread the words,

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00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: share this podcast, like subscribe, send it around because people

776
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: like SCHERYLN. Eiffel join because we have an audience like you,

777
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: like they literally come not to talk to us. They

778
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: can talk to us anytime, they can text us, call us,

779
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: see us, but they come to reach the people who

780
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Speaker 1: tune in to us. So thank you to our regular viewers,

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Speaker 1: our faithful viewers. But please do continue to spread the

782
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Speaker 1: word about Native lampod because we are living in service

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Speaker 1: to the liberation of of black folks and that liberates

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Speaker 1: everybody everywhere. So I just think, what is that red

785
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Speaker 1: line for a society at large? And we may have

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Speaker 1: a viewer question or comment that speaks to that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know because I didn't even get a chance to

788
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Speaker 1: look at all of our viewer questions, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like that red line has been crossed one hundred times.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Andrew, Angela, and Tiffany, This is Monte from Maryland

791
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Speaker 9: and wanted to discuss something that Andrew kind of alluded

792
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Speaker 9: to a week or so ago. Trump was not able

793
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Speaker 9: to steal the election due to Mike Pence saying, Hey,

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Speaker 9: the Constitution will allowed allow me to do this, so

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Speaker 9: I can't. But with somebody like jd Vance sitting in

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Speaker 9: the vice presidency, what is the recourse should jd Vance

797
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Speaker 9: just say I'm not going to certify the next election.

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Speaker 9: I know there's nothing in the constitution about it because

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Speaker 9: the founders never thought we'd be here, But is there

800
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Speaker 9: any recourse that we have if jd Vance just following

801
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Speaker 9: his servitude to Trump just said I'm not going to

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Speaker 9: certify the election for blah blah blah reason. I know

803
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Speaker 9: it'll go through the courts, but is there anything standing

804
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Speaker 9: that says, no, this cannot happen, or no, he will

805
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 9: not do this or cannot do this. Just so was

806
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 9: anxious to get your thoughts on that. Again, thank you

807
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Speaker 9: for all you do and welcome home.

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Speaker 5: I love that from Manti, and I actually didn't think

809
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Speaker 5: that was a strand that was going to get picked

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Speaker 5: up on, because I think we do have to drive

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Speaker 5: people to what the conclusion is. When we had on

812
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Speaker 5: the episode a couple of weeks ago around why it

813
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Speaker 5: is they're playing with the numbers in the House and

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Speaker 5: who counts the electoral votes that come in from each

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Speaker 5: states for certification. Part of that process requires that both

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Speaker 5: the House and the Senate, except the results as they

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Speaker 5: come in through their express vote. When it got to

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Speaker 5: the Senate, the reason why JD. Vance's vote would matter, Actually,

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, the reason why Kamala Harris's vote mattered was

820
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Speaker 5: because of this closeness. She was the tie breaker in

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Speaker 5: a fifty to fifty Senate. In this case, there is

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Speaker 5: not a fifth Senate. The Republicans have the majority, they

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Speaker 5: don't need jdvents to break a tie, so the vice

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Speaker 5: president will be less important. And that scenario unless you

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Speaker 5: had Republicans who were actually going to say we are

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Speaker 5: not going to do that, We're going to vote to.

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Speaker 3: Accept the results from the election.

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Speaker 5: The vice president undoubtedly plays an important role the courts.

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Speaker 5: I think given the conversation we just had with Sherylyn

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Speaker 5: and I think most of us probably agree, there is

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Speaker 5: not a lot of hope when you look at the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court with the conservative majority, that they would do

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Speaker 5: anything to offend a bridge wrangle the power of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not in that. I'm hoping that won't be

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Speaker 5: a scenario. The best scenario is that we have folks

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Speaker 5: with honesty and dignity who don't steal elections. But if

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Speaker 5: they do, we've got to make sure that we got

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Speaker 5: enough of a margin that it doesn't that it doesn't

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Speaker 5: get close. And that's why this redishoting fight is so important.

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Speaker 5: That if they take a few seats here, convert a

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Speaker 5: few seats here, they throw us in a scenario that

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Speaker 5: a majority of members of the Congress can vote to

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Speaker 5: reject the electoral College votes that declare anybody else president

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Speaker 5: other than Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's really good. That was so Sometimes on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an audience member, like I'm just

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Speaker 1: listening to Sometimes you guys say things so insightful. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, I'm on here, I should wagh in here.

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Speaker 1: But that's really good, A good way to explain it.

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Speaker 1: And look, that is a red line, you know, that

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Speaker 1: was a red It should have been a red line

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Speaker 1: then to highlight the Fishers in our democracy.

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Speaker 4: So I'm Burgundy.

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Speaker 6: And the thing though it flag, I would say, Andrew,

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Speaker 6: to the point is we don't know what the makeup

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Speaker 6: of the Senate will be after the twenty sixth election,

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Speaker 6: and so you know, if that becomes the case where

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Speaker 6: he is a trek tie breaking vote, what will he

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Speaker 6: do and what will the tech bros allow him to do?

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Speaker 4: That should also be a mini pot this tech Borough situation.

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Speaker 3: It's nuts and Angela.

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Speaker 5: If you, if you, if you follow the logic of

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Speaker 5: the Court, and I know you do, it is that

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Speaker 5: they will rest with the decision of that institution as

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Speaker 5: a as a coequal branch of government. They've been willing

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Speaker 5: to allow that institution to decide what it wants to

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Speaker 5: do without checking it.

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Speaker 3: So if they say J. D.

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Speaker 5: Mans has a tiebreaking vote and he says reject the Constitution,

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Speaker 5: the the ballots from the States, the Court is loath

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Speaker 5: to do anything at this rate given their pattern.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so so on this we've been talking a lot

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Speaker 6: about a red line today. What is at stake in

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Speaker 6: terms of democracy. We had Sharylyn eifel On who's always

875
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Speaker 6: a sage of a sage voice and gave a prolific

876
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Speaker 6: history lesson which we may need to be relying upon

877
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Speaker 6: more as times go by. Why because we've been talking

878
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Speaker 6: about the Smithsonian is under attack. Lonnie Bunch just received

879
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Speaker 6: a letter from Donald Trump last week saying all of

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Speaker 6: the ways in which they're going to look at these museums.

881
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Speaker 6: But before that, well, we have to be accountable for y'all.

882
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Speaker 6: And by we in this moment, I mean all America.

883
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Speaker 6: So really, maga, y'all, this is y'all. Is how you

884
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Speaker 6: are talking about the institutions that framed and founded this country.

885
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Speaker 6: So there's a conversation recently that was held on a

886
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Speaker 6: CNN show, and I want to go ahead and run

887
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Speaker 6: the clip that was uh that took place on that show.

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Speaker 11: Have you looked at some of the things that slavery

889
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Speaker 11: was about to talk about?

890
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Speaker 4: Forget, he's not whitewashing slavery, so he's not.

891
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Speaker 3: He's not.

892
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Speaker 4: No, he's not.

893
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Speaker 11: And you cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery did

894
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Speaker 11: just one race, which is pretty much what every single

895
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Speaker 11: exhibit does. Well, let's talk about the fact.

896
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Speaker 4: That when you slavery in America was only.

897
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Speaker 11: Less than two percent of white Americans own slaves, but

898
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Speaker 11: it was a system of slavery is thousands of years old.

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Speaker 6: The first.

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Speaker 4: You surprised, I'm really surprised.

901
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Speaker 8: Do you realize, Jillian, I'm surprised that you're trying to

902
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Speaker 8: litigate who was the beneficiary of slavery.

903
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Speaker 4: And I'm not. What I'm trying to tell you is the.

904
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Speaker 8: Context of American history. In the context of American history,

905
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Speaker 8: what are you saying is incorrect by saying that white

906
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Speaker 8: people oppressing.

907
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Speaker 11: Every single thing? Is like, oh no, no, no, this is

908
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Speaker 11: all because white people bad, and that's just not the truth.

909
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Speaker 1: Like, for example, every.

910
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Speaker 11: Single exhibit, I have a list of every single one,

911
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Speaker 11: like people migrated from Cuba because white people bad, not

912
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Speaker 11: because of pastory. Just know it's in there, That's what

913
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Speaker 11: I'm saying.

914
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Speaker 4: You don't actually know what's in there?

915
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Speaker 11: Do you know that when you walk in the door,

916
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Speaker 11: exactly first thing you have.

917
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Speaker 6: Gay So we're not going to litigate those points because

918
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Speaker 6: they're not litigatable. What we are going to do now

919
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Speaker 6: is play Nicole to Nicole Hannah Jones response and we'll

920
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Speaker 6: get to that shortly. Andrew Gilla, let's play her response.

921
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Speaker 9: I do not usually do.

922
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Speaker 10: These videos, but as a creator of the sixteen nineteen

923
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Speaker 10: project and someone who has studied the history of slavery

924
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Speaker 10: for three decades, I could not let the viral CNN

925
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 10: clip of Jillian Michael's stand after first date that the

926
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Speaker 10: times are far too serious and dangerous for us to

927
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Speaker 10: lend our platforms to harmful nonsense. It's simply irresponsible with

928
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Speaker 10: everything that's happening in this country to have someone as

929
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Speaker 10: credentialists as Jillian Michaels on a major network show legitimizing

930
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Speaker 10: the erasure of our history.

931
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Speaker 4: Now.

932
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Speaker 10: I know, there have been some viral efforts to debunk

933
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Speaker 10: her claim that somehow slavery was a side institution in

934
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Speaker 10: the United States because less than two percent of white

935
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Speaker 10: people own slaves. But even those efforts, while valiant by

936
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Speaker 10: embracing this right wing framing, they still aren't really getting

937
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Speaker 10: to it. You see, this is how numbers and data,

938
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Speaker 10: though technically true, can also be lies. And this is

939
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Speaker 10: why we can't let bad faith actors set the parameters

940
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Speaker 10: of the debate or of our collective understanding. So please

941
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Speaker 10: bear with me, because this is a lot. Let's take

942
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Speaker 10: the fewer than two percent of white people own slaves

943
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Speaker 10: at face value, though we know that number is technically incorrect,

944
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Speaker 10: and let's apply that standard to any other industry. What

945
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Speaker 10: percentage of Americans own social media companies or technology companies

946
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Speaker 10: such as Apple. It's a tiny percentage.

947
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Speaker 4: I'm doubtful if it's.

948
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Speaker 10: Even one percent of Americans, And yet no one would

949
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Speaker 10: credibly argue that social media companies are not ubiquitous across

950
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Speaker 10: American life, that they don't play a major influence on

951
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Speaker 10: our political, social, and economic life in America. And in fact,

952
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Speaker 10: what we know is that more than seventy percent of

953
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Speaker 10: Americans use social media, though hardly any Americans own social

954
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Speaker 10: media platform. There's a reason that the heads of Meta,

955
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Speaker 10: Apple and Amazon, Google and x all took part in

956
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Speaker 10: Trump's inauguration festivities, with several of them standing on the

957
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Speaker 10: actual diies during Trump's inauguration.

958
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Speaker 6: So, you know, I think this is important to do

959
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Speaker 6: because this is Nicole Hannah Jones fact check five days

960
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Speaker 6: after Jillian michaels is on the show, which gives ample

961
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Speaker 6: time for any media outlet, really to respond, any media outlet.

962
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Speaker 6: Maybe it's not just Abby's response, right, Like, maybe not,

963
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Speaker 6: But after Nicole Hannah Jones' post, Abby Phillips had this

964
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Speaker 6: to say on her show on Tuesday Night.

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Speaker 8: Last week, on this show, a guest shocked the table

966
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Speaker 8: by arguing, in part that slavery in America can't just

967
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Speaker 8: be blamed on one race and that museums put too

968
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Speaker 8: much focus on the role of white people who participated

969
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Speaker 8: in that terrible institution. And now tonight that same argument

970
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Speaker 8: is being pushed by the President of the United States,

971
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Speaker 8: Donald Trump says that one of the reasons for his

972
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Speaker 8: crackdown on Smithsonian museums is quote, everything discussed is how

973
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Speaker 8: bad slavery was. What we try to do on this

974
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Speaker 8: program is create a platform for discussion and debate, debate

975
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Speaker 8: that reflects the very real differences that exist in this country.

976
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Speaker 8: It's what echo chambers in our society fail to do. Frankly,

977
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Speaker 8: but on this topic, it's important to say objectively slavery

978
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Speaker 8: was indeed bad.

979
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Speaker 4: I'm not frozen.

980
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm either.

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Speaker 6: I'm just pausing to allow you all to weigh in

982
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Speaker 6: Andrew effect, do you want to answer whether or not

983
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Speaker 6: you believe slavery was bad and whether or not at

984
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Speaker 6: this in this day and age, that should be litigated.

985
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Speaker 6: We had Donald Trump's social post from Abby's screen. We

986
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Speaker 6: can also put that up if you all need to

987
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Speaker 6: read it. But he's very concerned with the fact that

988
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Speaker 6: we're spending a lot of time on wokeism, that the

989
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Speaker 6: Smithsonian is out of control, where everything discussed is how

990
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Speaker 6: horrible our country is, how bad slavery was. And I'd

991
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Speaker 6: love to know if you all have a silver lining

992
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 6: like Bill O'Reilly about how we were fed and slept well,

993
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Speaker 6: And I.

994
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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it's such it's so beneath our dignity

995
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: to even engage that I think to even debate it

996
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: legitimizes their perspective, which is part of the danger. And listen,

997
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: I feel very uncomfortable and awkward weighing in on this

998
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: for a few reasons. One, I know Abby. I've known

999
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Speaker 1: Abby for a long time and I like her personally,

1000
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: so I want to be and I know you do too.

1001
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: I want to be careful, like I'm not trying to

1002
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: say this is all you know, like what Abby should

1003
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Speaker 1: have done, Because I think this is a network issue.

1004
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: Her show is not the only person who platforms problematic people.

1005
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: The network itself does. And because y'all are listening to

1006
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: some free blacks, listen, I'm gonna give this truth. And

1007
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: you can invite me or not invite me on the

1008
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: network ever. Again, I think we it. It is not

1009
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: courage if there is not a sacrifice. It is not

1010
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: valor if you don't have skin in the game. So

1011
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: I think all three of us ain't never been scared

1012
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: to speak an honest truth. And let corporate media. Deal

1013
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: with it as you will, but we live in service

1014
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: to a higher truth and one that does not engage

1015
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: in debate with low life, half witted individuals who do

1016
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: nothing but regurgitate talking points from the White House. And

1017
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: that is what Gillian michaels the biggest loser is in

1018
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: this moment. I think it's incredibly frightening that she's raising

1019
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: a black child with that ignorant ass attitude. And I

1020
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: detest her. I detest people who look who share her viewpoints.

1021
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: I detest the people who voted for this administration. I

1022
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: find them to be I just I don't honor or

1023
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: respect their positions at all. And so to present some

1024
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: of these things as though it is a debate, to

1025
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: present this as though well, she says, you know that

1026
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: slavery wasn't that bad, and she says that slavery was

1027
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: really bad now you guys have at it. I think

1028
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: that is a danger. And when I had a platform

1029
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: on a major cable news network, I was willing to

1030
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: risk it all before I would dare ever let somebody

1031
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: sit on my set and say something that was one

1032
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: disrespectful to another guest or disrespectful to our history and

1033
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: our facts. That is the standard by which I hold myself.

1034
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm not arrogant enough to say what choices somebody else

1035
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: should make. But I think to watch seeing in the

1036
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: place where I began my career, to watch them devolve

1037
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: into this Jerry Springer type atmosphere is disgusting. And then

1038
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: when we step back and look at journalism as an industry,

1039
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: how it has failed at the most important time, it

1040
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: has failed and continues to fail. We never want to

1041
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: acknowledge white supremacy. They talk about this immigration policy that

1042
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: is the brainchild of Stephen Miller, who is a white supremacist.

1043
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: An opinion is rooted in reporting by the Wall Street Journal.

1044
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: It is widely known you will never hear an anchor

1045
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: introduce or reference Steven Miller as a white supremacist. Why

1046
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: for the comfort of white folks? And so many of

1047
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: these discussions that I know what we talk about when

1048
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: the cameras aren't on, But when the cameras come on,

1049
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: people want to get polite, People want to both sides

1050
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: things I don't do that. It's almost only one version

1051
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: of Tiffany, and I can attest it's only one version

1052
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: of Angela. It's only one version of Andrew. What we speak,

1053
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Speaker 1: we mean, we walk it like we talk it, and

1054
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Speaker 1: so I just think we have to have a higher

1055
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: accountability of having those types of discussions in a way

1056
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: that presents a lie and equates it with a fact,

1057
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: that presents somebody with an opinion and equates them with

1058
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: an expert. I have said on that very show across

1059
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: from people who are neither my intellectual equal nor am

1060
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: my professional equal on any level, and I just you know,

1061
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Speaker 1: we talked about this before, angel and a lot of

1062
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Speaker 1: the comments, thank you guys for weighing in, and I

1063
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: so appreciate everybody's thoughts. A lot of the comments, they

1064
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: were pretty mixed Angela. And I am respecting your boundary, Angela,

1065
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: because you were clear on the last episode. I was

1066
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Speaker 1: trying to like politely push and Angela was like, just

1067
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: so I'm clear, So we don't have discuss this again.

1068
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: I am not going on that show unless all three

1069
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Speaker 1: of us go together. So I completely respect that boundary.

1070
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Speaker 1: Beyond respecting the boundary, I respect you for having that

1071
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Speaker 1: position in that boundary. There were people who are like Tiffany,

1072
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Speaker 1: I love that you go on there because if it's nonsense,

1073
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: at least you're somebody who's going to push back on that.

1074
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I feel torn. I feel really torn.

1075
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Speaker 1: You reminded me, you said, because you said you would

1076
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: never do that show. You reminded me of that, and

1077
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: I remember getting so mad at you. I never told

1078
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Speaker 1: you this, but you dropped in our group chat. You

1079
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Speaker 1: guys Tiff is on it happy, and I was like,

1080
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Speaker 1: don't tell people I'm on the show. That's how I

1081
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Speaker 1: throw inside. Don't tell our friends I'm doing this show

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: because I did have some shape. But I love I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just I feel before Abby had this show, I

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Speaker 1: was so proud of her. I just I love her voice,

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01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: and I just think she's so beautiful and she has

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Speaker 1: such a great spirit. And I'm cheering for her because

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01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: we have too few black women on air, and I

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Speaker 1: fear if Abby goes away, then who will take her?

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Speaker 1: It'll be somebody worse, like do we want Scott Jennings

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Speaker 1: in that chair?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 1: So that's all my jumble thoughts. Sorry for going on

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Speaker 1: so long about it, but I don't know. I really

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Speaker 1: want to hear because.

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Speaker 6: People, even when they comment clearly they are torn like

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Speaker 6: I have. If I have to choose between you going

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Speaker 6: on or Candice Owens, duh, right, yeah, I if but

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Speaker 6: I think that we've entered if we've crossed the red line,

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Speaker 6: and you said the red line has been crossed one

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Speaker 6: hundred times, what is our boundary. I don't want to

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Speaker 6: make this again about whether or not we go on

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Speaker 6: the show. That is so besides the point. What I

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Speaker 6: think is really an issue now is we have been

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Speaker 6: reduced to the point of having a conversation about how slavery,

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01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 6: the history of slavery will be will be told in

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01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 6: our independent institutions, Some that we help, that we helped

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01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 6: to fund, some that we helped to build. Machissic and

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Speaker 6: mckissic was a key construction partner on the National Museum

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Speaker 6: of African American History and Culture. We are now at

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Speaker 6: the point where we are litigating the fact that white

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Speaker 6: people are responsible for the institution of slavery, for the

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Speaker 6: fact that white people are responsible for the Transatlantic slave trade.

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Speaker 6: I don't care if they were able to pick off

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Speaker 6: a few negroes. You all were able to do that

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Speaker 6: in modern day times. That's how Clarence got on the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: Who GI's are gonna do? Well?

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Speaker 6: Who she's gonna do. We have talked about this, so

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01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 6: we're fine. We understand that. What we're not fine with.

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Speaker 6: What we don't understand is why we even give audience

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Speaker 6: to someone who would be so blatantly in and gaslight

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Speaker 6: us about the most traumatic incident in American history, the

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Speaker 6: most traumatic first centuries.

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Speaker 4: It's like, what are we talking about? Right?

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Speaker 6: So I think that really is it for me? And

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Speaker 6: now you know it's started with him. I don't know

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Speaker 6: if y'all remember when he ran in sixteen and Andrew.

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Speaker 6: I think Andrew over there writing a sermon.

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Speaker 1: I'm promised.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to interrupt.

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01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 4: No, no, I want to say I won't say this,

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 4: but I'm just thinking he's running if you know, I

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Speaker 4: really want to hear that.

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Speaker 6: I'm just thinking, you know that we are in this

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Speaker 6: time where we have an obligation to not just speak truth,

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01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 6: but to speak truth to power, to call the thing

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Speaker 6: a thing, to hold these institutions that we have been

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Speaker 6: beholden to, that we have been dedicated consumers.

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Speaker 4: Of, to account.

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Speaker 6: We ain't had no protest on this, we ain't had

1141
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 6: no met we have meetings when people were just fired

1142
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 6: from the networks and wrote letters where's our meeting on

1143
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 6: the obligation of these people to hold like it's not

1144
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 6: a reality show.

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01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 4: It is news. It's news, so let it be news.

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01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 6: When Donald Trump was running the first time, y'all, and

1147
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 6: they were asked, I think they asked him about Harriet

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01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 6: Tubman being on the twenty dollars bill, and he said

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01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 6: maybe the two dollar bill or something. We don't have

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Speaker 6: Harriet on the two or the twenty. And they took

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Speaker 6: her off the National Park Service website. And they're making

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Speaker 6: it more restrictive for us to get data from the census.

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01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 6: And now they're wondering if they should do the census

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Speaker 6: at all or if the Census should be private based

1155
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 6: on the conversation we just had with Sherilyn. Right here

1156
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 6: is where we are now. We are watching the erosion,

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01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 6: the destruction, the blowing up of all of the institutions

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01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 6: that we have built.

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Speaker 4: With our blood soiled hands. This is not okay, we passed.

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Speaker 4: It's a state of emergency. We're passed. This is co read.

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Speaker 4: We're passed down the alarm. It isn't all out war.

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01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 6: And that war is being like executed on our babies

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 6: in DC right now. And that's the test ground. They

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 6: are testing us, and y'all we are failing. She merely

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01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 6: gave us a D, what's lord and a F? I

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01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 6: guess we're We're not supposed to say that no more

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 6: on the show, but I want to know they honestly

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01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 6: can't say that there What other word can we use

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Speaker 6: for right now?

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Speaker 1: Get that be button ready because we're okay, Andrew, if

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Speaker 1: you ain't got at least one your response, we don't

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01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: want to hear.

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Speaker 3: I don't have any. I don't have any to get.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear. Fay, I'll just.

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Speaker 3: Say this one. I have fewer pearls to clutch.

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Speaker 5: As it relates to the corporate media and how the

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Speaker 5: corporate media handles their business, it is not new. I've

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01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 5: been watching Jerry Springer on CNN for a very long time,

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Speaker 5: probably since I began consuming the news. I think to

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01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 5: make Abby Phillips, the object of the issue is a

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01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 5: misplacement of where we are to be putting our concern.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I said, and I apologize for interrupting,

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 5: but where did this woman license and get the license?

1184
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 5: Julie the Michael's woman? What she got from Byron Donald's

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 5: a black man who sits in Congress, who is likely

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 5: going to be the Republican nominee for governor of Florida

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 5: with the endorsement of Donald Trump, who in blackface, got

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Speaker 5: out there telling us how good slavery was.

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Speaker 3: For black folks.

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Speaker 5: The Minstrel Show, live in and effect, right in front

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01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 5: of us, a black man, a grifter, telling us what

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01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 5: was good for us because we were fed and housed

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Speaker 5: and learned skills that we could then later apply to

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 5: jobs that black people would eventually come to doing this country.

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Speaker 5: So there's been a number.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: I'd be saying, this show is intended to get out

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 5: of the echo chamber. I never ever, ever want to

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Speaker 5: be again surprised on election night that there was a

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Speaker 5: whole half of the country that walked away with an

1201
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 5: impression set of feelings that I had never heard, never thought,

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01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 5: didn't didn't didn't believe they would give credence to Abby,

1203
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 5: as a host responded to the obscenity of an insaneness

1204
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 5: of what this woman was was attempted to articulate. But

1205
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 5: across American networks, news channels, radio stations, platforms, uh you

1206
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 5: know that, on the Internet and otherwise, there are so

1207
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 5: many places where those comments would not have even been

1208
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 5: questioned because the listening audience from the hosts of the

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01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 5: people who tune in believe it, hook line and sinker.

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Speaker 5: There is a war on black people. That energy is

1211
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 5: coming from somewhere. There is an audience for exactly this

1212
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 5: kind of bullshit that that Michael spreads.

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: But she's not the only one.

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Speaker 5: We're getting it from black men and blackface who occupy

1215
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 5: only white spaces and who only intend to represent the

1216
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 5: interest the beliefs of white people who are at the

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01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 5: apex of all of this simply offended and don't want

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01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 5: their children to be offended by the history carried out

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01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 5: by their ancestors. This is about ego, and since they're

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01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,799
Speaker 5: in position to check ego, they have they have every

1221
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 5: intent to check it everywhere it appears. What I appreciate

1222
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,480
Speaker 5: is that now that we know that this narrative drives

1223
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 5: fuels maybe a whole half of the country, then we

1224
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 5: can be better prepared when we come into contact with

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01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 5: them about how we need to move, how we need

1226
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 5: to flow, and what checking we need to do real,

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01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 5: live and in person when we hear it, because they're

1228
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,839
Speaker 5: not just whispering it amongst themselves. They're saying it directly

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Speaker 5: to you, listener, How are you checking them? How are

1230
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 5: you setting the recordstraate Because the problem is a way

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 5: too big for any one personality to be able to

1232
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 5: handle any one individual, and certainly a reluctant, if not

1233
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 5: cooperative network right in our harm. So we have to

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01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 5: be the protectors of our harm. We have to be

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01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 5: the protectors of our history. And as I have children maticulating,

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01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 5: matriculating through the public school system and a state where

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 5: the governor doesn't want anything in the books or taught

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01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 5: verbally from the teachers that would bring offense to his children,

1239
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 5: I goddamn know Jay and I both that we will

1240
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:33,480
Speaker 5: have an obligation to do all of the history lessons,

1241
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 5: or to at least supplement every era of history as

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01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 5: my kids matriculate to it through it. Thank goodness, I

1243
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 5: was a political science and history person because I love

1244
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 5: it and I know it, and they're going to get it.

1245
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 5: But I'm also appreciative to groups like Jack and Jail

1246
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 5: who are taking it as part their responsibility amongst the

1247
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 5: kids who participate there to bring real black history directly

1248
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 5: to them if they're not getting it from the schools

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01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 5: that they pay for them to attend, or that they

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01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 5: attend publicly, and I think we've got to guard ourselves

1251
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 5: up people to fill that void, because if they're not

1252
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 5: doing it there and you ain't doing it at home,

1253
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 5: God help our children when it comes to knowing your history.

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Speaker 3: So it doesn't get repeated.

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Speaker 6: Andrew, I really appreciate you lifting up the point about

1256
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 6: this not being a responsibility that is solely at Abby's feed.

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01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 4: I think that's important.

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01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 6: Everybody on this show certainly supports her, but I think

1259
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 6: that we are growing exhausted of watching this happen to

1260
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 6: sister after sister, brother after brother, and it happens in

1261
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 6: different ways. It's may manifest in different ways, but we

1262
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 6: have to call the thing out. So I think the

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 6: question I would have for the audience is what does

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01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 6: it look like to support Abby in this moment and

1265
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 6: for the other Abby's that still find themselves on air,

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01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 6: you know, in crosshairs to have to even go on

1267
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 6: a show to say, I just want to be clear

1268
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 6: for the record, slavery's bad. When Jillian Michaels is saying

1269
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 6: white people bad, well, some of you all are have

1270
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 6: up by virtue of the fact that you're on this

1271
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 6: show saying what you're saying, white people bad, especially you, right,

1272
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 6: so until you pass a different litmus test for what

1273
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 6: it means to stand in the gap for your black

1274
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 6: child or for your black friends, white people bad. And

1275
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 6: if y'all can't understand the distinction, I don't know what

1276
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 6: to tell you. Go to the Smithsonian before they change it.

1277
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 6: Perhaps with that, I guess we can go to Cast

1278
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 6: to Action.

1279
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 5: I just want to add to your request with just

1280
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 5: to say, not only do you how you stand in

1281
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 5: and support your folks, but also hold them accountable. That

1282
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 5: question needs to be extended to every network you watch,

1283
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 5: in every new station on that network that you watch,

1284
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 5: where the hosts don't even check their guests when they

1285
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 5: come out of left field, right field, middle of space

1286
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 5: with their ideas, they've got to be more accountable to

1287
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 5: us period. To Cherylyn's point about us out boxing our weight,

1288
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 5: we have the power within ourselves to not just hold

1289
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 5: folks who look like us accountable, but the networks we

1290
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 5: watch subscribe to give money to, they get out advertising

1291
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 5: dollars off of us. They ought to respect us enough

1292
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 5: not to do that bullshit either, and we would.

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01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 6: Expect ourselves enough not to give them the And that's

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Speaker 6: the part we do. I pray that we get to

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Speaker 6: the point we're only it doesn't have to be all

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Speaker 6: of us, but a small percentage of us do what

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Speaker 6: we need to do to ensure the tide changes. They

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Speaker 6: are not going to coward to us without a demand.

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Speaker 4: We know that.

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Speaker 6: Frederick Douglass told us that history lessons have told us

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Speaker 6: that over and over.

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Speaker 4: Sorry too, but what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Like what is our demand?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: Like what are we asking people to do? Is it

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Speaker 1: don't watch?

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Speaker 10: Is it?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 1: I know you say, don't go on there? Like as

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Speaker 1: a cord cutting is at an all time high, particularly

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Speaker 1: in black households, and black people consume a lot of

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Speaker 1: media across all types of media, so we're already abandoning

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Speaker 1: cable news streaming is like yanking them down, which I

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Speaker 1: think is why we see some of these ridiculous tactics,

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Speaker 1: some of these people who are espousing ridiculous thoughts during

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Speaker 1: the you know, opinion hour at ten o'clock. You can

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Speaker 1: see them on CNN's morning show. You can see them

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the afternoon. So that that's why

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Speaker 1: I just try to caution people like like we're saying

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Speaker 1: this is not on ABBY, you know, like this is

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Speaker 1: and it's not just on CNN either, this is also MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: I don't even consider Fox, but you know this is

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Speaker 1: MS that's stupid ass name. But yes, but across networks,

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Speaker 1: not even just the cable news, but across networks. The

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Speaker 1: way that we normalize white supremacy for the comfort of

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Speaker 1: white people.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we can use that to transition into calls to action.

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Speaker 6: And I'll say that my call to action first would

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Speaker 6: be signed the petition to Protect the Integrity of the

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Speaker 6: National Museum of African American History and Culture. There is

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Speaker 6: a change dot org petition. We'll make sure that that's

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Speaker 6: in our show notes. Please hear me. I'm having a

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Speaker 6: broader conversation beyond cable news news, regular news, anybody news.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about all of the things that we need

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Speaker 6: to do to hold these institutions accountable to properly serving us.

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Speaker 6: Let's start with the Smithsonian petition. Then we need to

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Speaker 6: be having meetings. There needs to be some folks who protest.

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Speaker 6: We need to make sure that our folks, folks are

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Speaker 6: very clear about the facts of their power and what

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Speaker 6: these institutions owe us.

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Speaker 4: But let's start with the Smithsonian. Then I'll yield.

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Speaker 1: Did you tell just so, did you tell people how

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Speaker 1: they can sign the petition?

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Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: While you were typing, I said that it will make

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Speaker 6: sure we put it in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be in show notes. Okay, I have

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Speaker 1: a right, okay, because I was just about to say

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Speaker 1: change dot org. And I have a silly question like

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Speaker 1: when we say we're putting something in the show notes.

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Speaker 6: We want you if you, if you, if you look,

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Speaker 6: if you actually ever listened to our show, folks at home,

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Speaker 6: you're going to go into the podcast. You'll click on

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Speaker 6: the podcast and there's a description, and the description is

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Speaker 6: where we normally direct people to action oriented items and

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Speaker 6: and that is also the case for YouTube, so on

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Speaker 6: the iHeart podcast app or if you go into Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 6: in the description, you'll see any of our casts to action.

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Speaker 4: There are things that you can do from home. Okay, sorry,

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Speaker 4: that was first I was.

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Speaker 5: I was simply going to just admonish our listeners and

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Speaker 5: ourselves to just read just to quickly check back in

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Speaker 5: with Project twenty twenty five as well as you know

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Speaker 5: lessons around how to be an Autocrat because from the

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Speaker 5: Smithsonian trailing back to the beginning of the Trump days

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Speaker 5: in the White.

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Speaker 6: House and the Smithsonian, I said, the Smithsonian does that.

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Speaker 11: Bad?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, but but but from the Smithsonian, pulling

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Speaker 5: all the way back to the beginning of this administration.

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Speaker 5: One thing that they that we will never be able

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Speaker 5: to accuse them of of not saying the plan out loud.

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Speaker 5: Not only has it been said, it's been written, and

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Speaker 5: there is no harm in reading it to know what

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Speaker 5: is coming down the pike. As we said on the

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Speaker 5: other show a couple of weeks ago, when if you

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Speaker 5: stay ready, you don't have to get ready, and we

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Speaker 5: were talking about that in relation to the cities that

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Speaker 5: have already been name checked around an invasion from the

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Speaker 5: federal government and their likely brothers sister states that want

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Speaker 5: to go in using their law enforcement bodies to again

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Speaker 5: harass and terrorize our people in our communities. I simply

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Speaker 5: say to update ourselves so that we can then steady

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Speaker 5: ourselves for it. We can steady ourselves for the fight.

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Speaker 5: And when I say steady ourselves, I don't mean withstand it.

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Speaker 5: I mean withstand it, yes, but also mean fight back,

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Speaker 5: prepare to fight back, be ready so you don't have

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Speaker 5: to get ready.

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Speaker 1: Well, now, I'm ashamed of my CTA, but there's one

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Speaker 1: I've given before and I feel the need to give

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Speaker 1: it again because it's getting a bit outrageous, and that

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Speaker 1: is speakerphones. I don't know if people didn't the first time,

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Speaker 1: but people seem to think that, well, it's my kid,

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Speaker 1: and my kid is playing with his iPad on the train.

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Speaker 1: You know, I take the Asella all the time and

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Speaker 1: so on amtrak these and I don't care if it's

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Speaker 1: your kid. They need to have headphones on. We don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear cartoons. And if we're sitting in the airport,

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Speaker 1: get off speaker phone. I don't want to want you

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Speaker 1: next to meek like, use your earphones. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: hear that. I know these are serious times, but this

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01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: is a serious annoyance and frustration.

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Speaker 3: To mine, Yes to mine during these times, trying to.

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Speaker 1: Be them listening to music, and I got just it's

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Speaker 1: so obnoxious. Stop doing that. I felt bad that I

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Speaker 1: I don't care that the kids.

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Speaker 3: What tell me, you said, we don't want to hear cartoons.

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Speaker 5: We want to hear. When the kids realized that we

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Speaker 5: had the TVs in the car and that they could

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Speaker 5: watch their shows wherever we were going to.

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Speaker 3: School or on a long trip.

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Speaker 5: Of course, our lives became about listening to cartoons and

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Speaker 5: other nonsense. I broke the ones in my car and

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Speaker 5: they have not worked since my kids.

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Speaker 3: Were I don't know, very very young. And now when

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Speaker 3: they're like, Daddy, can we listen to this?

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Speaker 5: But no, that daddy's TV is don't work, I'm not mad.

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Speaker 5: I tried to get all you to do the same,

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Speaker 5: but because she's always complaining, I was like, I'm that person.

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Speaker 1: I walked down there because I'm like, who is playing this?

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Speaker 1: And I go and I don't care if his little

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Speaker 1: family if like, oh, they don't have their headphones, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but on the Amtrak you have to have

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Speaker 1: devices that come with earphones. We got them read it

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Speaker 1: was not the quiet car, because I shouldn't have to

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Speaker 1: ride in the quiet car, because yes, you have to

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Speaker 1: have it on answer you know. Of course I looked

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Speaker 1: at the rules. I'm a lawyer, a TV lawyer. As

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01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: we discussed, I looked at the rule you have to

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Speaker 1: have an Amtrak Maybe you all should start making this

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01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: a part of the announcement, so I don't have to

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Speaker 1: because I don't work for Amtrak.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you could start and you could be like, I'm

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01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 6: not the conductor, but I'm about to conduct some business.

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Speaker 6: And speaking of conducting business, I'm about this, I'm about

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Speaker 6: to shame Nick real quick, you guys. So Trav is

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Speaker 6: one of our is one of our new producers. And

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Speaker 6: Trav said and that you got your excited with Andrew,

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01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 6: and so Trash says, turn up Andrew, and the Knick's

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01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 6: response was done. F YI, The in studio levels only

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Speaker 6: affect the live conversation. The recording we get afterward is unaffected.

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01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 6: And Trav was like, sorry, that was not an audio.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know.

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01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: Where this was going.

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01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 4: That is hilarious. Wait cut that out. If you cut

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 4: it out, we cutting you out and we.

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01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 3: Leave this show.

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01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 4: Well, that is hilarious.

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01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 6: This is actually a perfect way in the show because

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01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 6: learning ebonics and slang is a very important factor in

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01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 6: terms of how we blend the democracy, tying it right

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01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 6: back into Sherylyn, I gotta understand what we mean when

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01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 6: we're talking that talk and talking.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that, honestly, no, I do not. I

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01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: don't mind if Andrew.

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Speaker 6: Is going to be screaming in the show because there

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01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 6: was a misunderstanding.

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01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 4: So I just want to make sure.

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Speaker 1: Because I like our the things that we say to

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01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: each other that is understood. I don't I think there

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01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: is fine. We'll let Nick, we'll Nick know about this. Well,

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Speaker 1: this might be something to talk about on the mini pod.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it is good. I don't want everybody

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01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 1: to understand something. If I'm at Angela's house, I'm like, girl,

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01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: you put your foot in these greens. I don't want

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01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 1: to explain that everybody. Andrew Gellham, now, why don't you

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01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: answer it on speaker so you can make my point?

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Speaker 4: All right?

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Speaker 5: And were welcome, all y'all welcome.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, I have to say, how many ridiculous days

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Speaker 1: there are? I got a bunch of stuff, tells Sherilyn.

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Speaker 4: Now, she would have got you together on that.

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Speaker 1: That is a good question.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: We'll have her back when we get We'll have her

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Speaker 1: back to talk about that. But there are four hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty nine days until midterm elections, and as always,

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