WEBVTT - No Comment 0:00:08.245 --> 0:00:17.365 School of Humans. Hey, man, what's up. Hey, how's it going. 0:00:17.885 --> 0:00:22.325 It's going okay. A guy just called me and said 0:00:22.325 --> 0:00:26.005 we're in a fight against God and Satan and demonic entities, 0:00:26.045 --> 0:00:31.565 and it was just insane, insane. After a long week 0:00:31.605 --> 0:00:34.805 of writing an investigation, I'm very ready to get home, 0:00:35.325 --> 0:00:37.965 and as per usual in the Ozarks, I have no 0:00:38.085 --> 0:00:41.405 cell reception. But this time, when I get back into range, 0:00:41.845 --> 0:00:45.245 my phone has one hundred miscalls and text messages. One 0:00:45.285 --> 0:00:48.365 of them is Chris's sister. So here's what happened. I 0:00:48.405 --> 0:00:51.405 hear that Chris has been arrested. It turns out that 0:00:51.445 --> 0:00:54.885 he was arrested for making terroristic threats and for burglary. 0:00:54.885 --> 0:00:57.165 That's what I hear. Even though I don't think Chris 0:00:57.205 --> 0:00:59.725 had anything to do with the murder of Rebecca, he 0:00:59.845 --> 0:01:02.685 is not doing himself any favors by visiting her ex 0:01:02.725 --> 0:01:06.725 boyfriend's house. Chris's kids are getting tech, according to the sisters, 0:01:06.765 --> 0:01:10.405 saying that you know your dad's a killer, and it's 0:01:11.045 --> 0:01:23.925 just awful. This is an awful situation. In September of 0:01:23.965 --> 0:01:27.125 two thousand and four, twenty two year old Rebecca Gould 0:01:27.325 --> 0:01:30.885 was brutally murdered in a remote area of the Arkansas Ozarks. 0:01:31.685 --> 0:01:36.245 Fourteen years later, her killer is still out there. I've 0:01:36.245 --> 0:01:39.365 come back to Mountain View with one mission to get 0:01:39.525 --> 0:01:52.165 justice for Rebecca. I'm Catherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. 0:01:54.885 --> 0:01:57.925 The story we heard from the police is that Chris 0:01:57.965 --> 0:02:00.285 went over to Justin's house and he told him if 0:02:00.325 --> 0:02:03.205 he talks, he'll kill him. That's not what happened. Chris 0:02:03.205 --> 0:02:05.325 and his friend happened to be over Justin's house because 0:02:05.325 --> 0:02:08.445 of was had a friendship with Justin's wife or whatever, 0:02:08.965 --> 0:02:12.485 and they were over there to see her. And you know, 0:02:12.565 --> 0:02:15.045 then Justin came home and I'm sure because of the connection. 0:02:15.085 --> 0:02:17.565 I'm sure there were words exchanged about the case because 0:02:17.605 --> 0:02:19.925 they haven't seen each other in a long time. But 0:02:20.485 --> 0:02:22.605 that wasn't the cause of him going over there at all. 0:02:23.325 --> 0:02:26.325 Tommy went over there, not Chris. We don't know what 0:02:26.365 --> 0:02:28.885 went down behind closed doors. It all sounds very fishy 0:02:28.965 --> 0:02:31.325 that that Chris is the only one with charges against him, 0:02:31.325 --> 0:02:34.485 and he gets charged with burglary, not because he took anything, 0:02:34.525 --> 0:02:36.845 but because if you're at someone's house without permission, you 0:02:36.845 --> 0:02:40.285 can get charged with burglary. I think it's very fishy 0:02:40.325 --> 0:02:42.685 also that A headline came out in the paper saying 0:02:43.485 --> 0:02:46.085 suspect in two thousand and four murder as if you know, 0:02:46.565 --> 0:02:47.965 it just looks like they're trying to throw it on 0:02:48.045 --> 0:02:50.525 Chris once again. It feels like that. It really does 0:02:51.525 --> 0:02:55.005 extremely guilty right now? Is there overall where Chris did 0:02:55.085 --> 0:03:01.285 do it? No? No, I mean I do and he 0:03:01.365 --> 0:03:05.085 doesn't help himself. Wait, so when did this actually happen? 0:03:05.565 --> 0:03:09.445 I don't know. The article got posted yesterday, but from 0:03:09.485 --> 0:03:10.965 what I from what I hear, it was a few 0:03:11.045 --> 0:03:13.005 days ago. I'm trying to I'm getting the affiday but 0:03:13.085 --> 0:03:14.845 now and figuring out when it happened and getting all 0:03:14.845 --> 0:03:18.525 the details. Well, I mean, where the case right now? 0:03:18.845 --> 0:03:25.885 That's it. Dennis told Chris's sister that all the evidence 0:03:25.885 --> 0:03:28.565 in the case points to Chris and that he wants 0:03:28.605 --> 0:03:31.725 to get this case slid before he's retired. And he said, 0:03:31.725 --> 0:03:36.525 all the evidence points to Chris. Your family's trash and yeah, 0:03:36.605 --> 0:03:39.765 I mean that's that's what's on. You said that to her. 0:03:40.645 --> 0:03:46.965 I believe her. So that's what's going on. But they 0:03:46.965 --> 0:03:48.725 don't blame us. The good the good news from that 0:03:48.885 --> 0:03:51.325 is even Chris and his sister don't blame they know, 0:03:51.725 --> 0:03:55.605 like they're calling us and trying to help, so get 0:03:55.605 --> 0:03:57.405 this right. The sister's trying to bail him out, and 0:03:57.405 --> 0:03:59.845 she's like, Chris keeps saying, and this is so Chris, 0:04:00.565 --> 0:04:02.565 my word is my bond. I don't need a lawyer. 0:04:02.645 --> 0:04:04.165 I've got my word. And I'm like, you know, you 0:04:04.245 --> 0:04:06.045 might not want to get him lawyer, and she said, 0:04:06.925 --> 0:04:08.525 I'm trying to get him a lawyer. We don't have 0:04:08.565 --> 0:04:11.005 any money, Chris. This is like the fifth job. Chris 0:04:11.085 --> 0:04:13.005 is lost because these guys keep arresting him. You know, 0:04:13.405 --> 0:04:16.245 she said, Now he's not blameless in this. Chris does 0:04:16.285 --> 0:04:18.725 some really dumb stuff. You know, he's getting himself in trouble. 0:04:19.005 --> 0:04:21.525 Now that Chris is in jail, it is even more 0:04:21.645 --> 0:04:25.765 vital that we find Rebecca's killer. I reached out to 0:04:25.845 --> 0:04:29.245 Casey at the beginning of my investigation and he hasn't 0:04:29.285 --> 0:04:31.965 gotten back to me yet, even though he's the one 0:04:32.045 --> 0:04:34.885 person who's been officially ruled out as a suspect by 0:04:34.885 --> 0:04:37.645 the police. Now I want to find out if his 0:04:37.725 --> 0:04:40.365 AWLIBI is as air tight as they claim it is. 0:04:40.845 --> 0:04:43.125 I still have hope. I mean, maybe I'm wrong and 0:04:43.525 --> 0:04:45.805 maybe and look if he doesn't. If he doesn't get 0:04:45.845 --> 0:04:47.685 back to us ever, maybe it will come to knock 0:04:47.725 --> 0:04:49.725 it on his door. But like, I still have some 0:04:49.925 --> 0:04:51.645 hope that he might get in touch with us. Everyone 0:04:51.685 --> 0:04:53.085 said how much he loved her and what a good 0:04:53.085 --> 0:04:57.245 guy was. There's that topics Did you see that topics 0:04:57.285 --> 0:04:59.205 port about him, and it says, sorry, I met this 0:04:59.245 --> 0:05:03.205 guy named Casey something and he used to sing in 0:05:03.245 --> 0:05:06.485 a band. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Yeah, And 0:05:06.565 --> 0:05:10.925 then and then everybody says, well, this one says, fairly 0:05:11.005 --> 0:05:16.925 decent guy. I think he works at Melbourne Sonic. He's 0:05:16.965 --> 0:05:21.045 really sweet. He's been done wrong by the past. Yeah, 0:05:21.085 --> 0:05:25.005 it's definitely haunted him. It's definitely hot. It seems to 0:05:25.045 --> 0:05:26.925 have really haunted him, and now he seems to be 0:05:26.925 --> 0:05:29.365 happy and settled and everything. But it's really it's also 0:05:29.405 --> 0:05:31.045 really crazy because you think about it and you're like, 0:05:31.085 --> 0:05:32.925 she should have all those things. She should have a 0:05:33.005 --> 0:05:35.565 husband and a baby, and you know, she should have 0:05:35.565 --> 0:05:38.125 the opportunity to be an aunt to her sister's kids 0:05:38.245 --> 0:05:40.365 and you know, all those things, and like she doesn't 0:05:40.365 --> 0:05:42.165 have any of those things now. But then eventually it's 0:05:42.165 --> 0:05:43.685 gonna be like, look, dude, like you say, you love 0:05:43.685 --> 0:05:45.725 this girl. You know, she was so important to you, 0:05:45.765 --> 0:05:49.805 and like she got murdered brutally, you know something. And 0:05:49.845 --> 0:05:53.285 if he has nothing to hide, he should be willing 0:05:53.325 --> 0:05:56.645 to talk about it because that was his friend and 0:05:56.685 --> 0:05:58.965 he loved her and you know, and he should want 0:05:58.965 --> 0:06:02.845 to find who did this. Not only that, but I 0:06:02.885 --> 0:06:07.765 mean his house was destroyed. I kissed if somebody murdered 0:06:07.805 --> 0:06:12.725 somebody in my house. So we go back to the 0:06:12.765 --> 0:06:16.365 timeline and what we know of September twentieth, two thousand 0:06:16.365 --> 0:06:19.605 and four. Casey told police that after Rebecca dropped him 0:06:19.645 --> 0:06:21.765 off at work in the morning, he was at work 0:06:21.805 --> 0:06:24.245 all day until his shift ended. Then he went to 0:06:24.285 --> 0:06:26.885 the movies and stayed out with his friends that whole night. 0:06:27.765 --> 0:06:30.125 But some people in town have heard a different story. 0:06:30.765 --> 0:06:34.685 Remember Alicia, she was the plumber's daughter. Her husband was 0:06:34.685 --> 0:06:37.005 the one who owned the sonic where both Casey and 0:06:37.045 --> 0:06:40.165 Rebecca worked. She were saying, like at his place, I 0:06:40.165 --> 0:06:44.205 thank when she would come up from school, but not 0:06:44.605 --> 0:06:46.765 you know, she wasn't It wasn't been a full time 0:06:46.885 --> 0:06:50.125 thing that she was there all the time. But I 0:06:50.165 --> 0:06:52.685 mean they were together quite a bit. They always worked together. 0:06:53.205 --> 0:06:58.285 I know on that particular day. It was weird day 0:06:58.405 --> 0:07:00.645 that she had brought him to work and dropped him 0:07:00.645 --> 0:07:03.725 off that day. I don't know why. I think maybe 0:07:03.765 --> 0:07:05.925 because she was up on school, she was at working. 0:07:06.045 --> 0:07:08.485 I'm not sure she wasn't off on break or something, 0:07:09.685 --> 0:07:12.565 but she had dropped him off for at sonics that morning. 0:07:12.925 --> 0:07:15.045 That was the last fan that he saw her. The 0:07:15.165 --> 0:07:18.645 very fact. They said that he had went, that he 0:07:18.765 --> 0:07:21.285 lest work, and I guess Rebecca wasn't supposed to be there. 0:07:21.285 --> 0:07:23.645 She was supposed to be leaving to go back to Fayetteville. 0:07:24.245 --> 0:07:28.125 And so he left work with a friend and they 0:07:28.205 --> 0:07:31.485 actually went out to the movies and you know, hung 0:07:31.525 --> 0:07:34.365 out that night, and he said he didn't return home, 0:07:34.445 --> 0:07:38.365 you know, till really late and into the next morning. 0:07:38.445 --> 0:07:40.845 I think they said he was there for the whole 0:07:40.965 --> 0:07:44.885 entire shift that day, and that he left work with 0:07:45.205 --> 0:07:48.845 that friend of his, and that they were supposed to 0:07:48.845 --> 0:07:54.245 go out to a movie. Or what she's saying matches 0:07:54.245 --> 0:07:56.645 the story that was reported in the papers and what 0:07:56.725 --> 0:07:59.445 I've heard from others. Casey was at work all day 0:07:59.525 --> 0:08:01.725 and out with his friends all night. He was really 0:08:01.765 --> 0:08:05.125 shook up. He seemed like it after you know, they 0:08:05.645 --> 0:08:07.925 don't want to Reaca about what I found odd was 0:08:10.805 --> 0:08:12.925 he said that he went back to the house and 0:08:14.005 --> 0:08:16.285 that he couldn't tell anything that happened there, but that 0:08:16.445 --> 0:08:20.325 her stuff was still there and her belongings. And I 0:08:20.405 --> 0:08:24.085 just think that's not accurate, because you know, they said 0:08:24.125 --> 0:08:27.845 that you could physically tell something happened, and how could 0:08:27.885 --> 0:08:30.525 you go into your own home and not notice that 0:08:30.685 --> 0:08:34.125 something happened there, or to how to say that you 0:08:34.205 --> 0:08:38.325 don't noticed that something happened. I just I don't understand that. 0:08:38.925 --> 0:08:41.445 Do you think that your ex husband could help us 0:08:41.525 --> 0:08:46.845 with the records of who was working at Sonic that day? Yeah? Probably? 0:08:47.165 --> 0:08:50.325 All right? So Licia unloads some new information I haven't 0:08:50.325 --> 0:08:53.525 heard before. She said that Casey may have stopped at 0:08:53.525 --> 0:08:55.725 home at some point before he went there with the 0:08:55.725 --> 0:09:08.525 police on Tuesday. Your call has been forwarded to an 0:09:08.565 --> 0:09:15.725 automated voice messaging system. He's not available at the Tell him. 0:09:15.725 --> 0:09:18.445 Please record your message. When you've finished recording, you may 0:09:18.485 --> 0:09:21.685 hang up form Alicia's husband, Joey isn't calling us back. 0:09:22.325 --> 0:09:25.845 Sometimes people don't want to get involved because they're hiding something. 0:09:26.605 --> 0:09:29.845 Other times, especially in this case, it can be because 0:09:29.885 --> 0:09:35.845 they are scared. George has proven to be a valuable 0:09:35.885 --> 0:09:38.325 member of our team. He's the only one who was 0:09:38.325 --> 0:09:41.125 there at the time reporting on the murder and is 0:09:41.165 --> 0:09:44.645 emotionally and physically removed enough to give me some real answers. 0:09:45.285 --> 0:09:48.805 What do you think about Casey? Now? I don't know. 0:09:49.325 --> 0:09:53.605 He talked to me several times, initially after her body 0:09:53.645 --> 0:10:00.085 was found, and then I contacted his wife, his now wife, 0:10:00.765 --> 0:10:03.405 probably in twenty sixteen. I called her at work and 0:10:03.445 --> 0:10:04.885 she's like, oh, because I wanted to talk to him, 0:10:04.885 --> 0:10:06.165 you know, because I want to to kind of update 0:10:06.205 --> 0:10:08.645 the case, and I wanted to get dive into some 0:10:08.645 --> 0:10:11.885 more details because, like you said, it's been you know, 0:10:12.085 --> 0:10:14.485 at that time, it had been twelve years. I mean, 0:10:14.845 --> 0:10:16.565 you're getting to the point where it doesn't matter if 0:10:16.605 --> 0:10:19.165 you're still interviewing people. This is a cold case, and 0:10:19.885 --> 0:10:23.525 you never know when one little thing will break in 0:10:23.565 --> 0:10:27.605 a case. One story runs, one rumor starts, and then 0:10:27.645 --> 0:10:31.685 all of a sudden, everything changes. So I just wanted 0:10:31.725 --> 0:10:33.605 to talk to him, and so I called her, and 0:10:33.645 --> 0:10:37.205 she was really nice, very nice, very friendly, gave me 0:10:38.165 --> 0:10:41.085 her phone number and his phone number, and I tried 0:10:41.125 --> 0:10:44.285 to contact him and he would not talk to me. Well, 0:10:44.365 --> 0:10:46.525 then I try to contact her, and she wouldn't contact 0:10:46.525 --> 0:10:49.205 me back, and she had told me. She goes, oh, 0:10:49.245 --> 0:10:52.245 he'd love to talk to you. But then so then 0:10:52.405 --> 0:10:55.685 I finally contacted her at work again and I said, hey, 0:10:55.805 --> 0:10:57.685 I've been trying to get ahold of you in casey 0:10:57.725 --> 0:10:59.525 and I haven't get hold of you. Guys, she goes, oh, 0:10:59.525 --> 0:11:00.765 he doesn't want to talk about it. He doesn't think 0:11:00.805 --> 0:11:02.405 it'll do him any good to talk to you. And 0:11:02.725 --> 0:11:04.925 I said, well, that may be true. I mean, I'm 0:11:04.965 --> 0:11:07.405 just a journal but I would like to talk to him. 0:11:07.565 --> 0:11:10.005 You know, the story is, you know, she went and 0:11:10.085 --> 0:11:12.925 dropped him off at work, and then she went to 0:11:12.445 --> 0:11:15.445 the Possum Trot convenience store, got a couple of things, 0:11:15.485 --> 0:11:17.405 and then left went back to his house, and then 0:11:17.765 --> 0:11:20.685 somewhere sometime during the morning she died. Well, then he 0:11:20.725 --> 0:11:23.005 got off work and then he went to it stayed 0:11:23.005 --> 0:11:24.365 at night at a friend's house, and then went straight 0:11:24.405 --> 0:11:26.325 to work the next day. So he never returned to 0:11:26.405 --> 0:11:28.605 his house to see the full new clothes and all 0:11:28.605 --> 0:11:31.005 this other stuff. Well, then I heard a separate story 0:11:31.005 --> 0:11:33.285 that he did go home the next morning to get 0:11:33.285 --> 0:11:36.765 some fresh clothes for work, and so I just you know, 0:11:36.845 --> 0:11:39.685 that's a kind of a big detail. It's a big detail. 0:11:40.365 --> 0:11:42.245 So I just wanted to know. And you know, he 0:11:42.285 --> 0:11:44.445 obviously didn't want to talk about it, and to this 0:11:44.605 --> 0:11:47.125 day I have not spoke to him about it. I 0:11:47.205 --> 0:11:50.325 tried to, but he just doesn't want to talk. Turns 0:11:50.365 --> 0:11:53.525 out he's heard the same thing we heard that at 0:11:53.565 --> 0:11:57.325 some point before the police arrived on Tuesday, Casey went 0:11:57.365 --> 0:12:00.005 home to change shirts. Even if her car was just 0:12:00.045 --> 0:12:02.005 still there, he still wouldn't have left, you know, to 0:12:02.005 --> 0:12:03.365 go to a friend's house, do you know what I mean. 0:12:03.405 --> 0:12:06.725 It never made sense to me that he there. Yeah, 0:12:07.205 --> 0:12:10.005 everything was there. I mean, even if you wanted to assume, 0:12:10.605 --> 0:12:13.045 let's say her car was there. Let's say he comes 0:12:13.085 --> 0:12:15.565 home the next morning, sees her car there. Maybe another 0:12:15.605 --> 0:12:17.765 friend came and picked her up, went and stayed the night, 0:12:17.885 --> 0:12:20.325 you know, with another friend. Something happened to you know, 0:12:20.445 --> 0:12:21.965 she was supposed to pick her sister up. Maybe the 0:12:22.045 --> 0:12:26.085 arrangement changed. She wouldn't have left her purse. In his defense, 0:12:27.765 --> 0:12:30.245 to this degree, we don't know for certain that he 0:12:30.365 --> 0:12:33.845 returned to the house. That it's it's just again a rumor. 0:12:34.085 --> 0:12:35.965 When you talk to Casey, what did he seem like 0:12:36.005 --> 0:12:40.485 when you seem really emotional upset. He seemed really distant, 0:12:40.965 --> 0:12:44.805 like you could tell that there was a shock factor 0:12:44.885 --> 0:12:48.605 with him. And I was actually at the Sheriff's department 0:12:48.605 --> 0:12:50.605 when they brought him in for questioning one time, and 0:12:50.645 --> 0:12:54.205 the family was there, and I mean there was fire 0:12:54.325 --> 0:12:56.765 in a lot of those people's eyes. And actually one 0:12:56.805 --> 0:12:59.765 of Rebecca's ex boyfriends, Justin, he was there and he 0:12:59.845 --> 0:13:02.645 started like just tears started coming down his face and 0:13:02.645 --> 0:13:05.685 he was really angry. It looked like just watching the 0:13:05.725 --> 0:13:09.205 police lead him into the Sheriff's department. Considering that we 0:13:09.365 --> 0:13:12.165 now know Rebecca and Justin saw each other just a 0:13:12.205 --> 0:13:16.165 week before her death, I can't imagine the tension inside 0:13:16.165 --> 0:13:18.565 that police station. So when I talked to him, he 0:13:18.565 --> 0:13:21.085 seemed shocked. I talked to him maybe twice after that, 0:13:22.365 --> 0:13:27.845 and he just very quiet, very soft spoken. You know 0:13:28.045 --> 0:13:33.845 he you know, I suspect he probably knows some things, 0:13:34.085 --> 0:13:36.805 but you know, I can't He won't talk to me, 0:13:36.845 --> 0:13:39.485 so I can't prove it. So I might be scared. 0:13:39.965 --> 0:13:43.005 He may be scared. That's that's a very viable possibility. 0:13:43.885 --> 0:13:46.925 Being like a CUB reporter at the time, I made 0:13:46.965 --> 0:13:49.645 some mistakes because he did talk to me after the fact, 0:13:50.245 --> 0:13:53.325 and I could have found these details out immediately. All 0:13:53.365 --> 0:13:54.805 I had to do was ask the questions and guess 0:13:54.805 --> 0:13:57.965 what didn't ask questions, And so now I have to 0:13:58.005 --> 0:14:01.125 spin my wheels fourteen years later to try to find 0:14:01.125 --> 0:14:03.965 the answers. Now, I think that Casey at one time 0:14:04.045 --> 0:14:06.525 may have been named as a suspect quote unquote, but 0:14:06.565 --> 0:14:10.005 they cleared him pretty quickly. Now, Casey did tell me 0:14:10.725 --> 0:14:13.605 that they did interview interrogate him hard. I mean he 0:14:13.685 --> 0:14:17.005 literally said that they just came at him, I mean, 0:14:17.045 --> 0:14:19.485 and they were very combative, telling him he knew it, 0:14:19.565 --> 0:14:21.365 he knew they knew he had something to do with that. 0:14:21.485 --> 0:14:24.885 He knew something. So but anyway, it would be nice 0:14:24.925 --> 0:14:31.685 if you know they should have some suspects. We'll be 0:14:31.765 --> 0:14:41.285 right back until we can find someone else who knew Casey. 0:14:41.805 --> 0:14:45.365 Danielle will have to help us understand Casey and Rebecca's relationship, 0:14:45.885 --> 0:14:48.445 which seems more and more complicated the more we learn. 0:14:50.245 --> 0:14:55.485 They I think went out for over a year. I mean, 0:14:55.525 --> 0:15:01.845 he was obsessed with her. He wrote music about her, poems, 0:15:03.205 --> 0:15:05.245 you know. Every now and then he would freak out. 0:15:05.965 --> 0:15:11.925 He was very He's kind of controlling. And on our 0:15:11.965 --> 0:15:17.205 way back to Mountain View in the car, Rebecca had 0:15:17.245 --> 0:15:23.365 said we had she had mentioned Casey and she was like, Hey, 0:15:23.605 --> 0:15:29.485 he wants to be my boyfriend, and you know she 0:15:29.485 --> 0:15:33.165 didn't want that. So that was really strange that she 0:15:33.205 --> 0:15:39.445 had said that after all the years and just not 0:15:41.605 --> 0:15:47.645 getting anywhere. I don't know, Yeah, what do you think? Yeah? 0:15:47.685 --> 0:15:49.765 And you were saying his dad wouldn't let you search 0:15:49.805 --> 0:15:52.565 the land or he wouldn't like we were allowed to 0:15:52.725 --> 0:15:57.085 search the land? No, which seems really weird. That's where 0:15:57.125 --> 0:16:00.085 it happened. Yeah, and they're really good. But he's supposedly 0:16:00.125 --> 0:16:03.165 really good friends with her and loved her, so right, 0:16:03.245 --> 0:16:06.725 why wouldn't you let you search? Right? We've heard that 0:16:06.845 --> 0:16:10.245 Casey's dad supposedly did not allow the land surrounding the 0:16:10.245 --> 0:16:13.725 crime scene to be searched. Was there no search warrant? 0:16:13.965 --> 0:16:16.205 And how much land are we talking here? Yeah? I 0:16:16.205 --> 0:16:18.125 feel like we got a lot to do. So I 0:16:18.205 --> 0:16:20.325 need the address for the Isra County assessor because I 0:16:20.325 --> 0:16:26.085 have no is There county assessor. Let's see. So we 0:16:26.165 --> 0:16:28.685 drive to Melbourne to get the tax records to find 0:16:28.725 --> 0:16:31.885 out we're trying to find out I'll not need to 0:16:31.885 --> 0:16:33.805 go to the park's office. But if we're trying to 0:16:33.805 --> 0:16:37.965 find out who owns a piece of land, okay, well 0:16:38.365 --> 0:16:41.005 that's the thing. They have the address I have, I 0:16:41.045 --> 0:16:45.085 have it on that and there have been two different 0:16:45.085 --> 0:16:47.725 addresses for it. So can you do it by cordinate me? 0:16:48.125 --> 0:16:51.405 You know, I'm sorry. Okay. So it would be like 0:16:51.565 --> 0:16:55.845 this area right here, does it have a house on it? Yes, 0:16:56.365 --> 0:17:00.445 so there should be an right So where from this 0:17:01.285 --> 0:17:04.285 is the property that you're looking for. It's sort of 0:17:04.325 --> 0:17:08.925 behind it, so the house is behind it. The house 0:17:09.085 --> 0:17:11.965 is spread by the road, and then it's like there's 0:17:11.965 --> 0:17:15.165 some land behind it. Okay, so it's just the raw 0:17:15.245 --> 0:17:19.725 land that you're asking. Yes, it's who owns it. That's 0:17:19.725 --> 0:17:22.645 who owns that's who owns the mobile too. How far 0:17:22.685 --> 0:17:24.765 does his property? How far does that property line go? 0:17:25.605 --> 0:17:28.765 He's got kind a bit of property there. Wow, it's 0:17:28.805 --> 0:17:32.885 a lot. Okay, thank you very much. Back at the car, 0:17:33.125 --> 0:17:35.925 we unroll the map from the assessor. So this is 0:17:35.965 --> 0:17:39.645 the house. That's the trailer house, right, so look where's 0:17:39.645 --> 0:17:43.125 where's Highway nine? Anyway, just for my own interest, I'm 0:17:43.125 --> 0:17:45.405 like glad we saw that because he has a big 0:17:45.445 --> 0:17:48.645 ass piece of land back there. I'm just curious to 0:17:48.645 --> 0:17:50.365 see if there was a quicker way for Casey to 0:17:50.405 --> 0:17:53.965 cut through, or anyone else to cut through. It's only 0:17:54.045 --> 0:17:56.685 about four and a half miles in that cut through, 0:17:56.725 --> 0:17:59.805 and it's a really well paved road. I found another 0:17:59.885 --> 0:18:02.565 back road. There's a dirt road that starts out right 0:18:02.565 --> 0:18:05.165 next to Sonic in Melbourne and comes out on Highway 0:18:05.165 --> 0:18:09.445 fifty just under a mile from Casey's house. I drive 0:18:09.565 --> 0:18:13.125 slowly down the dirt road, passed several farms and over 0:18:13.165 --> 0:18:16.125 a rickety wooden bridge. It's about four and a half 0:18:16.165 --> 0:18:19.405 miles from the Sonic to Casey's house, about ten minutes, 0:18:19.805 --> 0:18:22.245 and I didn't pass one single car on the road. 0:18:22.685 --> 0:18:25.405 I kind of can't let go the fact that Casey 0:18:25.445 --> 0:18:28.885 could have left work that day, and again, since we're 0:18:28.885 --> 0:18:31.045 trying to rule him out as a suspect, I just 0:18:31.045 --> 0:18:33.565 want to explore every possibility for how he could have 0:18:33.605 --> 0:18:37.245 gone between those two locations. One of the questions we've 0:18:37.285 --> 0:18:40.205 been trying to answer was whether Rebecca's body was taken 0:18:40.205 --> 0:18:43.325 straight to the dump site or kept somewhere else and moved. 0:18:44.165 --> 0:18:47.525 So we take another look at the autopsy, reading through 0:18:47.565 --> 0:18:50.805 the gory details of the kinds of insects that consumed 0:18:50.845 --> 0:18:55.245 Rebecca's body makes me feel in a strange way like 0:18:55.285 --> 0:18:58.325 I'm invading her privacy. But it's one of the only 0:18:58.405 --> 0:19:00.965 pieces of solid physical evidence that we have access to 0:19:01.045 --> 0:19:03.765 in this case. So we owe it to Rebecca to 0:19:03.845 --> 0:19:07.925 leave no stone unturned, even if the details are stomach turning. 0:19:10.205 --> 0:19:14.805 This is doctor Eric Merritt. He's a forensic entomologist. Most 0:19:14.845 --> 0:19:17.405 of the time, and I'd say ninety nine percent of time. 0:19:17.845 --> 0:19:20.245 It's a group called the blowflies, and these are the 0:19:20.285 --> 0:19:24.245 green and blue bottleflies that hang around your garbage can 0:19:24.405 --> 0:19:28.285 and if there's rotting meat, these are the first flies 0:19:28.485 --> 0:19:33.165 to come to a body, whether it be a deer, rabbit, 0:19:33.285 --> 0:19:36.325 or anything that dies. If you put it out, say 0:19:36.365 --> 0:19:39.885 in the backyard, the first thing that come to him 0:19:39.885 --> 0:19:45.925 within minutes will be blowflies. So what happens is as 0:19:45.925 --> 0:19:52.565 soon as a person dies, they give off odors, okay, 0:19:52.605 --> 0:19:56.725 and generally they come into the ears, no eyes, nose, 0:19:56.765 --> 0:20:00.085 and mouth. That's their first area they come to and 0:20:00.165 --> 0:20:03.925 lay their eggs. So within ten to fifteen minutes after 0:20:04.005 --> 0:20:06.765 someone dies and they'll come in and they'll lay their eggs. 0:20:07.445 --> 0:20:12.125 Within twelve to twenty four hours of dead bodies, and 0:20:13.085 --> 0:20:16.485 once they lay their eggs in these maggots what we 0:20:16.565 --> 0:20:22.045 call the eggs hatch into maggots or larvaew we call them. 0:20:22.085 --> 0:20:26.125 And these things hatch from the eggs after twenty four 0:20:26.165 --> 0:20:30.005 to forty eight hours, and they go through a number 0:20:30.045 --> 0:20:34.085 of what we call stages or in stars, in stars 0:20:34.165 --> 0:20:38.725 the scientific term. But they hatch, they molt, and they'll 0:20:38.765 --> 0:20:41.005 be a bigger larvae, and then they'll mold and they'll 0:20:41.045 --> 0:20:44.725 be a bigger larva. And so they grow at a 0:20:44.765 --> 0:20:49.805 constant rate based on temperature. It was Arkansas, Indian summer. 0:20:49.925 --> 0:20:53.005 During the week Rebecca's body was in the woods, the 0:20:53.045 --> 0:20:56.565 temperature climbed a highs around eighty five degrees. So what 0:20:56.605 --> 0:20:59.925 we do is when a person found like this body 0:20:59.965 --> 0:21:03.845 I read your report where she had maggots won sixteenth 0:21:03.925 --> 0:21:07.685 to one half inch. So the one half inch would 0:21:07.725 --> 0:21:12.245 indicate that there's probably some late stage larvae that are 0:21:12.365 --> 0:21:16.685 ready to migrate away from the body and go into 0:21:16.725 --> 0:21:19.845 the soil and turn into what we call the resting 0:21:19.925 --> 0:21:24.445 stage or the pupa, and then eventually they'll come out 0:21:24.445 --> 0:21:27.445 as an adult. These are probably third instars. It goes 0:21:27.485 --> 0:21:31.645 through three in stars, first, second, and third, and there's 0:21:31.685 --> 0:21:34.525 certain characteristics of the larva that we can look at 0:21:34.965 --> 0:21:39.245 and determine what stage they're in. When I saw that 0:21:39.325 --> 0:21:46.685 half inch, that's about fourteen called the fourteen millimeters, and 0:21:46.725 --> 0:21:51.045 that's about a third stage larvae. So it's based on 0:21:51.165 --> 0:21:54.485 the normal development of a fly that I'm used to 0:21:55.245 --> 0:21:58.245 that would be about a week old. Doctor Merritt explains 0:21:58.245 --> 0:22:01.845 that while it's not an exact science, forensic entomology can 0:22:01.885 --> 0:22:04.205 be one of the best ways to determine time of death. 0:22:04.525 --> 0:22:08.325 I've heard, for example, someone talking about this case. They said, oh, well, 0:22:08.605 --> 0:22:10.525 based on the maggots, they can get the time of 0:22:10.525 --> 0:22:13.085 death down to like thirty minutes, And I didn't. I 0:22:13.205 --> 0:22:15.685 from everything I know, that's not true. If you can 0:22:15.725 --> 0:22:18.885 get the depth down to win a thirty minutes based 0:22:18.885 --> 0:22:22.125 on magots, then you should be a suspect. But if 0:22:22.205 --> 0:22:26.165 you can get better than anybody else generally by the 0:22:26.205 --> 0:22:30.885 medical examiner or by the detectives and stuff like that, 0:22:31.285 --> 0:22:34.085 and even the anthropologists, you can do better than they can. 0:22:34.845 --> 0:22:38.725 So if you have a magets and you collect them, 0:22:38.765 --> 0:22:41.725 and you know, we can identify them, and we can 0:22:41.765 --> 0:22:44.965 do pretty darn close to when that person probably died, 0:22:45.005 --> 0:22:48.325 but not thirty minutes or anything like that. Based on 0:22:48.365 --> 0:22:51.445 my drive through the back roads, I estimate that someone 0:22:51.445 --> 0:22:54.285 could have killed Rebecca and disposed of her body in 0:22:54.405 --> 0:22:57.525 under an hour. All of the evidence points to the 0:22:57.525 --> 0:22:59.565 fact that she was in the woods for a week 0:22:59.965 --> 0:23:02.285 and that her body was put there within a few 0:23:02.325 --> 0:23:08.645 hours after her death, not kept somewhere else. We'll be 0:23:08.765 --> 0:23:22.805 right back. During our investigation, we've learned a lot about Jennifer, Chris, JB, 0:23:23.365 --> 0:23:27.085 and Justin, but more than anyone else in this case, 0:23:27.605 --> 0:23:32.805 Casey is an enigma. By all accounts, he was distraught 0:23:32.845 --> 0:23:36.845