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Speaker 3: We're about to have a debate.
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Speaker 1: heading over to Nashville to write some songs.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe I'll see everybody in Nashville. It sounds like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's we're gonna throw down in the Who's Gal.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should just do it now
Speaker 3: or if we should wait till we get to it.
Speaker 3: But I'll wait.
Speaker 1: Let's do the synopsis and then you can open up
Speaker 1: the ball on us, okay, because I'm feeling feisty. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to go at it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you and I will agree or not.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling we're not going to agree and
Speaker 1: this is not a setup. Ladies and gentlemen anyway, Super
Speaker 1: Cool Party People, Episode twenty. We're almost done, Season six,
Speaker 1: gag Mine Travid cruse Is and French Danielle Romo, Taras
Speaker 1: sued Amy Sugarman. Referee is Miles Lane. And here we
Speaker 1: are at Caesar's Palace. Let's get.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we're all going to agree or disagree.
Speaker 3: I actually we don't know that ahead of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we do not.
Speaker 3: I just thought about this episode for days.
Speaker 1: Everybody is so busy this Schedgele's so cramped. We don't
Speaker 1: have the time to get together and debate this before.
Speaker 3: Right, we don't do a pre debate.
Speaker 1: We we don't know we do.
Speaker 2: That's what makes this more exciting.
Speaker 4: Egs, the raw, authentic emotions come out.
Speaker 1: sEH, It's like it's like it's like professional wrestling with microphones.
Speaker 1: Who's going to do the synopsisizations? I think it's Danielle, right, I.
Speaker 4: Think I'll do it. Ka guys, all right, this is
Speaker 4: season six, episode twenty, Super Cool Party People. Air date
Speaker 4: April twenty fifth, two thousand and six. Rory rushes to
Speaker 4: be with Logan at the hospital after he is seriously
Speaker 4: injured during a stunt with a Life and Death brigade.
Speaker 4: Lor Life finally gets some time with April when she
Speaker 4: jumps in to save Luke from hosting a disastrous birthday party,
Speaker 4: but not everyone is happy about it.
Speaker 1: Mm well, I think.
Speaker 3: Well is right? Okay, why doesn't everybody say how they
Speaker 3: felt about the episode? And then I'll give my sort
Speaker 3: of thing that's been bothering me for four days.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a fantastic episode. Yeah, I thought this,
Speaker 1: and it got me at the end. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I got emotional at the end. Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I was searching my my data banks to figure
Speaker 1: out why I was getting so emotional and interesting it
Speaker 1: hit me right away. I know exactly why I loved
Speaker 1: this episode so because it was parents caring about their
Speaker 1: yeah and the way parents should care about their kids,
Speaker 1: and it was people loving each other the right way.
Speaker 1: And it really got me. It really really got me.
Speaker 3: Anyway, this is gonna be a conversation. I think let's
Speaker 3: just start with that.
Speaker 1: Go Suzanne, hang on, I gotta go get my brass knuckles.
Speaker 1: I'll be right back.
Speaker 5: No, I So I was thinking about this during the
Speaker 5: past week since we recorded the last episode, because when
Speaker 5: I gave the last episode a seven point five, you
Speaker 5: guys couldn't believe that I ranked it that low. I
Speaker 5: don't think seven point five is that low out of ten,
Speaker 5: but first but.
Speaker 1: Really low, Like.
Speaker 5: What constitutes a good episode? Like are we are we
Speaker 5: ranking it based on the quality of the writing or
Speaker 5: how funny it is or how it makes us feel?
Speaker 3: Look, so I think that I think there will be above.
Speaker 1: I think write all of the above, and how engaged
Speaker 1: we are in the episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And.
Speaker 5: So an episode like this, like I watch Gilmore Girls
Speaker 5: because it's comforting and it's funny, and I watch an
Speaker 5: episode like this and I come away feeling anxious and depress.
Speaker 5: So to me, that wasn't that grave of an experience.
Speaker 5: Even though there were some great lines and it was
Speaker 5: well written, it didn't make me feel good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, see, I don't watch it to feel good.
Speaker 3: I watch it to feel Yeah, yeah, I am.
Speaker 5: That's all I do is feel So I want to
Speaker 5: watch Gilboard Girls and it's fat and and just have
Speaker 5: a good experience instead of just trying to get through
Speaker 5: the day.
Speaker 2: But It's also different because we're watching like in the past,
Speaker 2: when I'd watch and I just binge it. I feel
Speaker 2: like I didn't feel that way because I just like
Speaker 2: roll into the next Poe Who. But maybe it's because
Speaker 2: you're like isolating the episodes too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that could be.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: We'll get into it. But I'm mad at all of
Speaker 5: them in this episode. I'm mad. We'll get mad at Anna.
Speaker 5: I'm mad at Laura.
Speaker 3: I like, I'm not at Anna Ish.
Speaker 4: But I watched Friends, not at anybody. I'm not mad at.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at him. I'm less mad at Mitcham.
Speaker 3: I'm not that mad at Mitcham. Either I watch Friends
Speaker 3: or Seinfeld or something for a chuckle right modern family.
Speaker 3: I watch this, I watch Sex and the City, I
Speaker 3: watch The West Wing, I watch Walking Dead to feel something.
Speaker 3: I don't go in having a requirement that it has
Speaker 3: to make me feel unicorns and rainbows. It's it's I
Speaker 3: want to feel.
Speaker 1: I think. I think this demonstrates the This shows versatility,
Speaker 1: its ability to do drama comedy all in one swoop.
Speaker 1: It's breathtakingly difficult to do. Each episode has a unique
Speaker 1: flavor to it, whether it's shaded more to the comedy
Speaker 1: side more. And and here's the thing that I found unique.
Speaker 1: And this is me being subjective, Okay, I cannot be
Speaker 1: objective about this, because you know, Luke provided the comedy
Speaker 1: in this episode. He was the funniest guy in the episode.
Speaker 1: And I was really delighted by that because I forgot
Speaker 1: all about this and everybody else was doing the drama
Speaker 1: and he was sort of the same one of the
Speaker 1: central figures in the Drumaself without Emily and Richard, showing
Speaker 1: again how versatile this cast can be. The The the
Speaker 1: Anna dynamic with Laurel and Luke and all that entails
Speaker 1: was the thing that really got me watching parents care
Speaker 1: about their kids and protecting their kids and and and
Speaker 1: Rory protecting her boyfriend and yeah, meeting and and and
Speaker 1: you know, everybody having that Shirley McClain moment, Uh, you
Speaker 1: give the pills to my daughter now, and freaking you know,
Speaker 1: this kind of thing that you're asked down here, and
Speaker 1: you you see your son.
Speaker 3: She was not playing, even though he was. The boys
Speaker 3: were playing. At first, they they were very jokey, right,
Speaker 3: and then it's much for Rory in this episode, because yeah,
Speaker 3: she really loves him.
Speaker 1: I think some of these characters took on a heroic
Speaker 1: I've never loved Laurel I more and seen her as
Speaker 1: this kind of you know, black belt in life. In
Speaker 1: any situation, she can make it better and fuller and
Speaker 1: full of joy. She was rather brilliant in this episode,
Speaker 1: and I really think her leading this series is an
Speaker 1: incredibly wise choice on Amy's part, and what an actress
Speaker 1: that she got.
Speaker 3: You really see that when you have Sherylyn Finn and
Speaker 3: Lauren Graham in the same scene, you really see like, oh,
Speaker 3: that was almost Laura Lai.
Speaker 1: But I thought Shelon Finn could have pulled off fine.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think it would have been a bit
Speaker 3: of a different.
Speaker 1: It would have been.
Speaker 3: It just it's Eric Stoltson, Michael J. Fox and back
Speaker 3: to the future. I don't know if you've ever seen
Speaker 3: the scenes, we don't know that it would have been bad.
Speaker 3: It just wasn't as funny. I think Lauren Graham brings
Speaker 3: Michael J.
Speaker 1: Fox, Yeah, the special, there's something extra special there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just thought it was a really heroic, versatile, unexpected,
Speaker 1: deeply emotional episode. For me, it was the deepest episode
Speaker 1: in recent memory. And emotion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so. I watched it a few days ago,
Speaker 3: almost like a week ago, and it stayed with me
Speaker 3: multiple parts. If I, if I, if you'll indulge me
Speaker 3: to just bring up those topics. Number One, Amma being
Speaker 3: so angry at Luke because Laura I play on the birthday.
Speaker 3: I have real conversations I want to have about that.
Speaker 3: Number two, Anna's so Lorlai going to see Anna. I
Speaker 3: want to see what you all think of that. Anna's response,
Speaker 3: I'll give my quick opinion on it, valid in that
Speaker 3: she wants to protect her daughter from a woman who's
Speaker 3: gonna come and go from her life. But it's almost
Speaker 3: like she's talking out of both sides of her mouth
Speaker 3: because in this case, for me, Lauraai is engaged. They've
Speaker 3: been friends and together forever, so judging by what Anna's saying,
Speaker 3: Laurai checks all the boxes.
Speaker 6: And now that the problem is she never met her,
Speaker 6: she's a stranger.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that. And when she said, nobody plays
Speaker 1: fast and loose with my kid, and she's one hundred
Speaker 1: percent right, I understand that. But as Anna said, Luke
Speaker 1: is still in the audition phase.
Speaker 5: Audition and get to take the moral high ground here
Speaker 5: because she.
Speaker 1: I think she doesn't get away from her.
Speaker 3: That's what thank you. I really want to talk about
Speaker 3: the fact that.
Speaker 1: But hang on a second.
Speaker 6: That's a good point, that's an excellent point, But it
Speaker 6: doesn't negate the fact that Anna raised that child. It
Speaker 6: doesn't negate the fact and she has got an ultimate
Speaker 6: responsibility for that child's wellbeing.
Speaker 4: We also have to realize Luke has not brought around
Speaker 4: LAURAAI yet to me and have built a relationship with
Speaker 4: with April. So from Anna's viewpoint, I personally think rightfully,
Speaker 4: so she is a stranger. Whether she is engaged to
Speaker 4: Luke or not, she is still a stranger. She has
Speaker 4: never hung out with her daughter. She Anna has never
Speaker 4: hung out with Laura. I has never even had a conversation.
Speaker 4: So yeah, like anybody's valid.
Speaker 3: Does anybody want Luke to say to Anna, you kept
Speaker 3: my kid from me for twelve years and now you're
Speaker 3: telling me what you want me to do. I've been
Speaker 3: nothing but fair to you. I'll see you in court.
Speaker 1: No, no, yourself, you.
Speaker 3: Get my kid from me? Why though, Scott, why are
Speaker 3: you not mad because took your kids?
Speaker 1: Because we're twelve years now, we're past that. I don't
Speaker 1: think we are because ship has sailed.
Speaker 3: I was past it until this episode.
Speaker 1: Do you know why that ship has sailed? Because he's
Speaker 1: accepted the conditions and the terms that Anna said. I
Speaker 1: get that to have quote unquote unofficial until this episode
Speaker 1: at times custody of that child's court. Oh god, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're the father, Scott, you are the father of the child.
Speaker 1: But that's not the way you play it. It is
Speaker 1: doesn't benefit the child.
Speaker 3: It is now.
Speaker 1: It doesn't benefit the child to do that, It doesn't
Speaker 1: benefit you.
Speaker 3: Luke has been nothing but good, right, kind, fair, and
Speaker 3: I think although I understand what she's saying, she has
Speaker 3: now crossed the line and flexed so hard with she
Speaker 3: it's equally your child.
Speaker 1: Like we don't know anything about their relationship.
Speaker 3: We know that she did not tell you you have
Speaker 3: a kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe there was a reason for that.
Speaker 3: Name me a possible reason that.
Speaker 1: Well, obviously she didn't want Luke back then a part
Speaker 1: of her.
Speaker 3: Or that's that's not her choice.
Speaker 1: I understand that.
Speaker 5: When he went over there, she told him that she
Speaker 5: didn't tell him because she said he didn't like kids.
Speaker 5: That was her reasoning, which I'm sorry that I agree.
Speaker 3: I was cool with her until she just really pushed
Speaker 3: it too hard.
Speaker 5: Because keeping Anna from Luke, I mean, keeping April from
Speaker 5: Luke hurts April too, Like her daughter didn't know her
Speaker 5: father for twelve years hurts. That hurts April too. It's
Speaker 5: not just about Luke, It's about April too.
Speaker 3: And then flexing so much control. And look, we all
Speaker 3: know I have been team Luke on this. I always
Speaker 3: felt it was a Luke slash Anna decision, right, but
Speaker 3: now Luke has made this decision to bring lor Light
Speaker 3: in in a very like minor way, by the way,
Speaker 3: that it's not. Anna doesn't get to come and scream
Speaker 3: at Luke and then flex on Lorli. Lor Li has
Speaker 3: been nothing but cool, followed everybody's quote rules, and it
Speaker 3: was a birthday party.
Speaker 4: Look, I think the issue here is uh for any
Speaker 4: every situation that is absolutely correct. However, and I'm not
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that this makes it right. But Luke
Speaker 4: is very new to the picture, and so we have
Speaker 4: to understand that Anna's not going to just be like, well,
Speaker 4: you're her dad, so go with it. But he's new
Speaker 4: to the picture because she lied, but she lies, I
Speaker 4: understand that. I understand that, but you have to understand
Speaker 4: where she's coming from. She's raised this daughter for the
Speaker 4: last twelve years by herself. That right, she basically kidnapped.
Speaker 4: However you want to look at it, kidnapped or raise
Speaker 4: the daughter. She has been the one solely raising this kid,
Speaker 4: whether it's right or wrong. Wrong, So okay, I agree,
Speaker 4: so wrong however we want to see it. But you
Speaker 4: now bring in a dad to the picture, right, and
Speaker 4: she's trying to navigate that on top of now not
Speaker 4: trying to navigate his fiance. I think we just have
Speaker 4: to realize that she's had all this control for so
Speaker 4: so long, and now she's kind of feels like she's
Speaker 4: losing it a little bit.
Speaker 3: You know, she should have handled it a different way.
Speaker 3: My beef is with Anna. Look, Luke could have handled
Speaker 3: it better, right, He could have called her and you know,
Speaker 3: been a bit more communicative about Lorlai being there. But
Speaker 3: let me put it to you guys this way. And
Speaker 3: I again, I've been very on the side of supporting
Speaker 3: Luke in his decision because I felt like it was
Speaker 3: his and Anna's to make say that Luke and Anna
Speaker 3: found out they were pregnant and they're in it together.
Speaker 3: She's pregnant, and then she births the baby and decides
Speaker 3: to take the baby and it goes off just like
Speaker 3: she did for twelve years. That's kidnapping. Kidnapping, Okay, So
Speaker 3: why are we so like, well, this is what Anna
Speaker 3: wants and she's been raising the kid and it should
Speaker 3: really be her rules. No, she took the kid away,
Speaker 3: never gave Luke the opportunity to be a father. That
Speaker 3: is not okay with me. It's weird, frankly, And I
Speaker 3: don't think we have enough.
Speaker 1: I don't think Wow, I.
Speaker 3: Think it is criminal.
Speaker 1: Frankly, I don't think we have enough information. You may
Speaker 1: be right, I don't know, but I don't think we
Speaker 1: have enough information about the nature of their relationship. I
Speaker 1: think we can, we can speculate on it given the
Speaker 1: very little information we have about it. But we pointed
Speaker 1: out we don't know the nature of that relationship.
Speaker 4: But there's so many circumstances. Obviously Luke is not a
Speaker 4: bad person, we know that.
Speaker 1: But it's not a black and white situation. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of gray. There's a lot of gray here.
Speaker 5: Should we go to the top and go through because.
Speaker 3: But does nobody else not see gray to me like
Speaker 3: that she it just finally hit me this week, like
Speaker 3: she took the kid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we don't know, but why does Why are
Speaker 4: many reasons why people do that? Whether again, you guys,
Speaker 4: flip it right, flip it.
Speaker 3: Say that a surrogate, so that say that Luke, no
Speaker 3: you guys, yes.
Speaker 4: You guys, it's not comparable taking the kid like it's.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, I didn't. You didn't let
Speaker 3: me finish because a man can't carry the child. So
Speaker 3: say that there's Luke and Anna make a baby and
Speaker 3: a surrogate carries it. The baby is born, and Luke
Speaker 3: takes it away from the mother for twelve years and
Speaker 3: then finally says, oh, my kid wants to do a
Speaker 3: DNA test. How are you guys kidding me? Why are
Speaker 3: we giving Anna so much leeway? She took his kid,
Speaker 3: never told him about it. What is the reason that
Speaker 3: that's okay? Just give it to me and I'll hear
Speaker 3: you that.
Speaker 1: We don't have an answer. We don't know. We don't know.
Speaker 1: The surf.
Speaker 2: I think that's where the gray area is is like
Speaker 2: that's the gray.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what is what is a make up a reason,
Speaker 3: make up a reason that makes it okay?
Speaker 1: What I mean, it's already been pointed out. What if
Speaker 1: after repeatedly telling Anna twelve thirteen, fourteen years ago, listen,
Speaker 1: I have no interesting kids, I don't want to have it.
Speaker 3: And he can say I don't want this kid.
Speaker 1: Well, he might not have been aware of it. Maybe
Speaker 1: they broke up when she was you know, before she
Speaker 1: even knew she was pregnant.
Speaker 4: But let's let's just say he's.
Speaker 3: Totally it's his kid. It's not her kid, you guys,
Speaker 3: just because she's carried the baby. It's his kid. And
Speaker 3: this finally hit me this week. Why am I okay
Speaker 3: that she took the kid for twelve years? So I'm
Speaker 3: just finally telling you guys, I'm not okay with it.
Speaker 3: It's not okay.
Speaker 4: I know it is literally not okay.
Speaker 1: Again, I think we're operating with very little information here.
Speaker 4: I agree there's a guy, how long. There's so many,
Speaker 4: so many reasons. There's so many reasons a woman can
Speaker 4: move on without the father and not want the father
Speaker 4: a part of the picture. There's many reasons.
Speaker 3: Right, we don't know what they say. They're correct. If
Speaker 3: he's abusive, a criminal, an alcoholic. He is none of
Speaker 3: those things.
Speaker 4: How do you know that.
Speaker 3: I know Luke? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4: How do you know that people change? I'm just saying
Speaker 4: we don't. We don't. We don't know the nature of
Speaker 4: Luke and Anna's relationship. We don't know that.
Speaker 3: It doesn't I don't care about the nature of their relationship.
Speaker 3: I care about knowing him and her. So please, you, guys,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be an ass. Give me a
Speaker 3: reason why it's okay that Anna took his kid away.
Speaker 3: Give me a reason.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they were having some really like verbally abusive arguments,
Speaker 1: so then they.
Speaker 3: Don't stay together. I mean, still again, why about she said? Why?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: What did she say?
Speaker 5: She told him because he didn't like kids.
Speaker 1: Right, that's yeah, she didn't like that, That's what she said.
Speaker 3: We know the reason, and that doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: He's still he still deserves to have that information.
Speaker 3: How can any of you guys say that that is
Speaker 3: justifiable reason to not tell a person about their kid. Well,
Speaker 3: it's not so what I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you, that's the only reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know Luke, you know him.
Speaker 3: We all know him, you guys. We don't act like
Speaker 3: we just met this guy.
Speaker 2: We know him, but I think I think it is
Speaker 2: happening for for that like I think that we know
Speaker 2: as the audience, we know Luke, but maybe Anna didn't
Speaker 2: know him in that same life.
Speaker 3: She dated him for so long. What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: You guys? You guys are making up things that we
Speaker 3: know not to be true.
Speaker 4: I think it's I don't think making up anything.
Speaker 3: I remember when you mop in the diner. Whatever she said,
Speaker 3: she fully knows. Anna sucks. She took the kid. It's
Speaker 3: not okay, it's not okay. And then now.
Speaker 1: Look, everybody in the audience is listening. The problem with
Speaker 1: Amy is you can't tell how she feels about it.
Speaker 4: Actually, she's pretty gray.
Speaker 3: I'm so emotional about it because it's like I understand
Speaker 3: that I appreciate you guys trying to defend amma. Why
Speaker 3: the hell we're trying to defend her. I don't know.
Speaker 3: She seems fine, right, she's she's a good mom, but
Speaker 3: she took his kid, right, and I've been playing by
Speaker 3: her rules and being very supportive of her. But never
Speaker 3: until a few days ago, what what am I doing?
Speaker 4: Like he'd I think you're also looking at it knowing
Speaker 4: the other side of it, you know, based off of
Speaker 4: what we've seen. We know Luke, we know Laura, we
Speaker 4: know Rory, but she doesn't. It doesn't law to understand that.
Speaker 3: No, I'm so sorry, and I know everyone's gonna be
Speaker 3: like you up to Danielle. Okay, your piece, Danielle, but
Speaker 3: give me a reason.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: It's okay that Anna took his kid away for twelve years.
Speaker 1: Okay, so maybe, okay, So your argument is it's a
Speaker 1: good one. It maybe it's not. Okay, Okay, I can
Speaker 1: see where you're coming from, But at this point in time,
Speaker 1: this is a completely different show. If he follows your
Speaker 1: advice and says, you know, blank, Anna, I'm getting a
Speaker 1: lawyer see in court. That's not Gilmore Girls. And that's
Speaker 1: not that we don't get the entertainment value of the show,
Speaker 1: fair right, Okay. So it's better to see people trying
Speaker 1: to do their best under difficult circumstances and coming together
Speaker 1: as a community for the sake of this child. Because
Speaker 1: because if it gets because if it gets that contentious
Speaker 1: with the courtrooms and legal and it's going to damage
Speaker 1: the child. So I like seeing these people str to
Speaker 1: do the right thing. By April, I love that.
Speaker 3: I love what you're saying, totally love what you're saying.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, up until this moment, everybody's been
Speaker 3: doing that right. Laura Lai's been doing right by Luke
Speaker 3: because this is what he wanted. We're all being very
Speaker 3: respectful of Anna. Luke has been so respectful of everybody
Speaker 3: until Anna came and screamed at Luke for having his
Speaker 3: fiance help with a birthday party that was super lame
Speaker 3: and needed to be better for the good of the child.
Speaker 3: Then Loralai goes and tries to do the right thing by.
Speaker 4: Saying one thing, Can I add one thing there? Of course,
Speaker 4: it's not just that. The one thing that she kept
Speaker 4: saying is that she had a sleepover and Lorlai was
Speaker 4: in the room with the girls that I can sympathize with.
Speaker 4: My kid is not going to be at a sleepover
Speaker 4: with another adult I don't know.
Speaker 3: So would it have been better sleep Absolutely?
Speaker 4: No, Actually non with an adult. They don't know adult,
Speaker 4: They don't know the girls.
Speaker 5: All the girls, including April called their parents.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's right.
Speaker 5: So if a parent was not okay with it, they
Speaker 5: could have told their kid, no, you need to come home.
Speaker 3: Exactly. And also they could have said.
Speaker 5: Hey, let me talk to the adult that's going to
Speaker 5: be there.
Speaker 1: You think about it, I'm going to Nobody called April.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Nobody April called her. They show her on the phone
Speaker 5: with her.
Speaker 1: Because she thought it was just Luke in the room,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's weirder.
Speaker 3: If it's Luke number two. When your kids are thirteen,
Speaker 3: I guarantee you they will go to slumber parties at
Speaker 3: people's houses that you might know the mom and you
Speaker 3: don't know the dad, or you've met the dad. Like
Speaker 3: that is how the world works, like your kid makes
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 4: You sleepovers at people's houses that my parents didn't know
Speaker 4: all the time.
Speaker 5: Like you, you would have said, no, you can't sleep over,
Speaker 5: you need to come home. The girls slept over had
Speaker 5: permission from their parents exactly.
Speaker 3: And I had sleepovers for sure at Christine Borkenhagen's and
Speaker 3: I don't know that my mom was best friends with
Speaker 3: her dad.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but we came from a different amy. We're
Speaker 1: a little older than these kids, and we came from
Speaker 1: a different world where things weren't so unsafe.
Speaker 3: Well, Findam's point makes the best.
Speaker 1: My especially my planet. We did that all the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew each other, everything was safe, doors were unlocked.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: That is not the world we live in.
Speaker 3: And Suzann Suzana makes a great point, which is they
Speaker 3: all called their moms.
Speaker 5: They call their parents. Like as if my kid called
Speaker 5: me and said, can I spend the night, It's incumbent
Speaker 5: on me as the parent to make sure that's a
Speaker 5: safe situation for kids. So I wasn't comfortable with it.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't let my kids stay. So presumably anyone that
Speaker 5: spent the night that night was had their parents okay,
Speaker 5: or they wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Have spent the night. But Anna keeps Anna keeps saying
Speaker 4: that she thought it was just Luke that so she
Speaker 4: so she did she did give her consent for her
Speaker 4: to sleep over at her dad's place. Yeah, yes, she
Speaker 4: did give that consent.
Speaker 3: Engaged, Like I understand I'm double talking because I have
Speaker 3: been very supportive of when it was Luke's decision. But
Speaker 3: like they're engaged. That would be like saying, Okay, you
Speaker 3: can sleep at your dad's house, but his wife has
Speaker 3: to leave, Like it's just totally no.
Speaker 1: But she may is a distinction between married and engaging.
Speaker 1: People get engaged all the time, and they don't doesn't
Speaker 1: she said, she said, when you're married then you know,
Speaker 1: then come talk to me. Why do you make that commitment?
Speaker 2: I think the difference is like Lorala wasn't there when
Speaker 2: the party started, where Anna could go meet her. I
Speaker 2: think that also she just.
Speaker 4: Hasn't met her at all.
Speaker 2: She hasn't met her.
Speaker 3: But like, let's she shouldn't have kidnapped kid for twelve years,
Speaker 3: maybe she could have met everybody.
Speaker 2: I do think that if like this would have been
Speaker 2: a little different if like Lorala was at the diner,
Speaker 2: maybe like she wasn't saying for the party, but she
Speaker 2: happened to be there when it started, met Anna, And
Speaker 2: if Anna had her own issues with it, she could.
Speaker 3: Have confronted then and why isn't Anna at the party?
Speaker 3: It's her kids? Where are you Anna?
Speaker 5: They made some comment, Yeah, they explained why, something about
Speaker 5: going to her grandmother's I can't remember, but they did
Speaker 5: say that there was some reason Anna changed the date
Speaker 5: of the party.
Speaker 1: But I think I think I think it was maybe
Speaker 1: it was Anna, Maybe they she did have a little
Speaker 1: legit excuse, But it's a big responsibility, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: deepening of the trust between Anna and Luke. Right, who
Speaker 1: are forming another relationship that isn't you know, romantic, So
Speaker 1: this is a friendship relationship. This is two people that
Speaker 1: used to be together and used to be in love
Speaker 1: and have a child together unbeknownst to Luke, and and
Speaker 1: he didn't, in her estimation, make the right the right
Speaker 1: steps to make trust. She's trusting Luke a lot. Now
Speaker 1: this is like, this is like another level of trust.
Speaker 1: You throw her the birthday party, all the girls are
Speaker 1: going to be there. I trust you to do this.
Speaker 1: It's a big step for Luke. Right.
Speaker 3: So what if Rory or Lane were there helping with
Speaker 3: the party and they decided to sleep over, No problem.
Speaker 1: I think it's got to be cleared with Anna. She's
Speaker 1: got to know who's at the party.
Speaker 3: Now, Anna ditched her kid to go to the question
Speaker 3: with especially teenagers, because teenagers can invite their boyfriends and
Speaker 3: then their friends. And then if you're gonna let your
Speaker 3: ex boyfriend the baby's father throw the birthday party, hey
Speaker 3: for the party, plan the party, do the entire party,
Speaker 3: and be responsible for these kids all day long. But
Speaker 3: you're saying, but he's not responsible enough to then choose
Speaker 3: who tends the sleepover portion, like, it doesn't make sense, you, guys,
Speaker 3: It's totally idiotic that she's like, you're fine to go
Speaker 3: on a ten day trip with him for her school,
Speaker 3: but you're not then smart enough to decide that your
Speaker 3: fiance can be a part of the sleepover. It's idiotic.
Speaker 1: You're asking for a reason. Maybe if something in Anna's
Speaker 1: past that almost got her killed or kidnapped or whatever,
Speaker 1: her parents were looking the other way, didn't vet the
Speaker 1: people closely enough, and she's just reacting to that. So
Speaker 1: she promised herself if she ever had a kid, that
Speaker 1: she's never going to take a chance. She's never gonna
Speaker 1: let anybody play faster kid. It won't She's fine with Luke,
Speaker 1: she has a side caution.
Speaker 3: No problem with Luke, who she hasn't seen in twelve years,
Speaker 3: really either. No problem with Luke staying with the ten, fifteen,
Speaker 3: twelve year olds. It doesn't make sense. She's just talking
Speaker 3: gibber jabber, nonsense out of both sides of her mouth.
Speaker 3: I think nonsense.
Speaker 2: What I also took from it was I think that
Speaker 2: Anna also taking April for so long. I think she
Speaker 2: likes the contry of her kid, and I think that
Speaker 2: she has control that her kid was dropped off with Luke,
Speaker 2: but she didn't have control that Laura l I was
Speaker 2: also there. And I think that she feels like now
Speaker 2: that the what about the clown?
Speaker 3: What if there was a clown at the party or
Speaker 3: a man of hearists? Like what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: You guys?
Speaker 3: She all kid and all the friends with Luke and
Speaker 3: now she's having a cow. It just doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 4: It's just like, come on, it was Tatara's point, like
Speaker 4: she dropped off April at Luke's place to do just
Speaker 4: a quick little party that then turned into a sleepover,
Speaker 4: which then turned into Luke's fiance being at the sleepover
Speaker 4: and sleeping in the same room as the girls at
Speaker 4: the sleepover. I think there was just all these things
Speaker 4: that weren't a part of the original plan, which, like
Speaker 4: it's weird because I watched this episode and I'm not
Speaker 4: mad at anybody. I'm not mad at Lorelai, I'm not
Speaker 4: mad at Luke, I'm not mad at Anna, I'm not
Speaker 4: mad at April. I'm not mad at anybody. I actually
Speaker 4: see how everybody actually, like how they made their decisions
Speaker 4: and how they felt in those decisions. Does that make sense, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at anybody. I actually, totally.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at anybody either. I think everybody's just
Speaker 1: doing the best they can. And so Anna has a
Speaker 1: freak out because, as Daniel rightly points out, it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a little party couple hours and then
Speaker 1: that's it. Anna gets April back and relief and it
Speaker 1: all went well, great, I trust Luke enough to do
Speaker 1: a little couple hour party during the day, and then
Speaker 1: it turns into a slumber party, which was Laurelized idea,
Speaker 1: not Luke's, which she said yes to, which okay, which
Speaker 1: but still she doesn't want to be the party pooper
Speaker 1: and she doesn't want to disappoint her kid. But this
Speaker 1: wasn't in the plan, and now it makes her nervous
Speaker 1: and she's having to deal with the stress all night.
Speaker 1: She probab didn't sleep all night? No sure, sure sure,
Speaker 1: because she was worried to death. Something's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Why didn't she come? She could have just come to
Speaker 3: the party. Hey, yeah, you're having a sleepover, kay, I'll
Speaker 3: come join.
Speaker 4: I think I think if you like, if you think
Speaker 4: about it, April came home. April was had the best
Speaker 4: time ever. Loved it. It was exciting and fun. She
Speaker 4: tells her mom. We had a sleepover, Laura Lai put
Speaker 4: face masks on, she curled our hair, she read his
Speaker 4: book Whatever you Do at simp over parties. And she's
Speaker 4: probably like, who's Laura? Like, oh, well, this is dad's fiance.
Speaker 4: How come I haven't met her? Why is she with you?
Speaker 4: If I haven't met her?
Speaker 3: Like that is a very real thing, because I kidnapped
Speaker 3: my kid for twelve Okay.
Speaker 4: But you got to remove that.
Speaker 3: You have to mad that. Why though, Tell me why
Speaker 3: I have to remove.
Speaker 4: It, Because even if Anna and Luke just broke up
Speaker 4: the year before, I would still feel the same way.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. If they broke up a year before.
Speaker 4: Why does it make it different.
Speaker 3: Because he would have been involved in the child's life
Speaker 3: the whole time, and they would have been raising the
Speaker 3: child together, and they would have had established the familial unit.
Speaker 3: Being that and then the mother gets to have a conversation.
Speaker 3: It goes both ways, right, Luke can say, Look, if
Speaker 3: you're going to introduce your significant other to April, I'd
Speaker 3: like to meet that person first. Vice versa. Right, And
Speaker 3: when did Anna ever say to Luke she can't meet Loralai?
Speaker 3: When did that ever happen?
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what I think is going on underneath
Speaker 1: the surface here. I think Anna is jealous. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's having I think she flipped out on
Speaker 1: Luke because she realizes that ship is sailed. And in
Speaker 1: a prime previous scene when they were Anna and Luke
Speaker 1: were in the day and talking about the party dropping
Speaker 1: her off, and then there was something going on with
Speaker 1: Anna towards Luke. There was a vibe.
Speaker 4: There was definitely some flirty flirt.
Speaker 1: The flirty flirt stuff too happening, Maybe not so much
Speaker 1: from Luke, but it was definitely coming from Anna. So
Speaker 1: I think Anna had some kind of scenario that maybe
Speaker 1: this is a good feeling and maybe maybe we're getting
Speaker 1: back together.
Speaker 3: I get that vibe.
Speaker 2: Going.
Speaker 3: That's fair, That's totally fair. I have to rewatch it.
Speaker 3: I think she's jealous because Loralai threw a dope ass
Speaker 3: party and she didn't.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I feel like she's jealous of the April
Speaker 5: Laurelei connection, not.
Speaker 3: Not the Luke thing, but I totally.
Speaker 5: Felt like she went to the diner part why don't
Speaker 5: she killed it Luke because she was trying to pick
Speaker 5: a fight, because she was jealous.
Speaker 4: I think it's all above, I think truly, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 4: she's jealous, of course. Yeah, she's uncomfortable that her daughter
Speaker 4: is there at a at a Slummer party with a
Speaker 4: different adult that she's never met. Yeah, she's upset that
Speaker 4: she's losing control. I think it's all these things.
Speaker 1: I think it's all about too Yeah. Yeah, anyway, let's
Speaker 1: move on. We've so much more in this episode. We
Speaker 1: really haven't. Really, it's exhausted.
Speaker 5: Opinions on all of it.
Speaker 3: Great makeup on Matt Zukree because he looked really Scott,
Speaker 3: you start leading us through the episode.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. Uh so, Laurela.
Speaker 1: We start out the episode forty five minutes into our
Speaker 1: podcast in the Dragonfly in kitchen, Laurel I has a
Speaker 1: rip snorter of a hangover and Suki like weirdly refers
Speaker 1: to Christopher as chivalrous the night in Shining Armor? Did
Speaker 1: it did that jar anybody? I mean maybe in this
Speaker 1: one circumstance, what else do Yeah, but it's weird.
Speaker 3: She's so like, right now, all about Christopher right, right right.
Speaker 3: Also weird that the one guy was banging the pots
Speaker 3: so loud.
Speaker 4: It's like, really, I know.
Speaker 1: It was so utterly staged, Susanna.
Speaker 5: The thing for me about that scene because at the
Speaker 5: end of the last scene she does the insane toast
Speaker 5: and then they hurry her off the stage. I thought
Speaker 5: that they took her home at that point, but then
Speaker 5: in this episode we find out that was just the
Speaker 5: beginning of the Loreley Show.
Speaker 3: She went on and try.
Speaker 1: That's why I said in the podcast, I wish they'd
Speaker 1: just let her talk keep talking, and they apparently they did,
Speaker 1: and we missed it, all right, So that was that.
Speaker 1: And now we're in the hospital and do we see
Speaker 1: Logan yet? I don't think we don't see see Logan yet.
Speaker 1: They just tell her that he's in serious but stable
Speaker 1: can dish And then we get to Finn and Colin.
Speaker 1: We're delightful and funny in this, I mean really really funny, but.
Speaker 3: A little bit of callous, Like their friend is basically
Speaker 3: half dead and they're like, yeah, they deserve the.
Speaker 1: Rory.
Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing.
Speaker 1: Probably, But how did we feel about that, Susanne, how
Speaker 1: did you feel about it?
Speaker 5: I mean, at the same time, you don't really expect
Speaker 5: anything more from them because just like.
Speaker 3: You, I thought it was perfect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that's how you expect them to act because
Speaker 5: they're just they don't have a serious bone in their body.
Speaker 5: Like everything is just a giant joke to them.
Speaker 1: It's like, put them back together and let's party. Come on, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: get him back up on his feet and let's get
Speaker 1: back to Costa Rica. But yeah, Rory's stepping up. You know,
Speaker 1: she's really like, you know, she really didn't him. So
Speaker 1: now we're with Now we're with Grant Lee Phillips, Grant
Speaker 1: Lee Buffalo again making feel good.
Speaker 3: That was so crazy though. I felt like there were
Speaker 3: so many like background actors almost jumping into a girl.
Speaker 1: That came up to him and she just stared and
Speaker 1: started walking to him. I thought she was going to
Speaker 1: hit on him or something. I asked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, what's happening, you know?
Speaker 1: But it was. It was super cool to see him.
Speaker 1: So that's a nice pop. See. This is this is
Speaker 1: why this show is so great. You get that stuff
Speaker 1: you don't expect it, and then there he is there.
Speaker 1: He is the great one. You know, he's on tour
Speaker 1: the guy's on Toomas. I think he's going to be
Speaker 1: in Nashville, and I'm there. I'm going to be in
Speaker 1: Nashville after it. I'm going to Nashville. So now we're
Speaker 1: at Lukes, and Caesar has been running the show over
Speaker 1: at Lukes for ten days, and he's changed some menu
Speaker 1: items and some traditions and customs over there, and now
Speaker 1: he's clashing with Luke, who was back. And the cold
Speaker 1: bananas are no more and the signs are no more. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this. What did you guys think
Speaker 1: of this scene?
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that everyone wanted a cold banana,
Speaker 2: like has come from.
Speaker 3: I don't even think you're supposed to.
Speaker 1: I don't put I refrigerate bananas. You do?
Speaker 4: Actually, I thought it makes the brown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I like a cold banana in my cereal.
Speaker 2: Oh but does it?
Speaker 1: But does it? Well? Of course you no, no, no,
Speaker 1: peel it first, No way, I feel like that wreck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't peel them. And if you peel them, you
Speaker 1: eat them. You know, That's what I tell my kid.
Speaker 1: I said, you peel that thing, you eat it. But
Speaker 1: like Charles Bronson.
Speaker 3: Frozen banana though, yeah, like yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Different, or even like just if you're like I put
Speaker 2: bananas in the freezers, then make smoothies like the next
Speaker 2: day or is thing. But I never heard of just
Speaker 2: bananas in the fridge.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, so you know, Lorela I comes in and
Speaker 1: they discussed the party, and he tells her about the party,
Speaker 1: and she offers her help and he rejects her. He says, now,
Speaker 1: without telling her why, he just says, no, I got
Speaker 1: this covered, and you know, and Luke Lurla I comes over.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Miss Patty comes over and says, don't worry, honey.
Speaker 1: You know, it may take a mule team to get
Speaker 1: Luke to the altar, but he'll get there, you know,
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. And she's looking a bit forlorn.
Speaker 5: I wish Miss Patty because that was when she said
Speaker 5: that she's the whole town is going with the endless
Speaker 5: love story, that she's saying endless love, and that they
Speaker 5: are covering up the whole thing about what she really
Speaker 5: said when she was at the mic, And I I
Speaker 5: wish Miss Patty hadn't done that, Like I wish that
Speaker 5: the truth had just come out and that Luke found
Speaker 5: out out what she was saying at the party, because
Speaker 5: I need Lorelai to stand up for what she feels
Speaker 5: and they need to have a conversation about this, and
Speaker 5: that could have been the trigger that forced it to happen.
Speaker 5: So I wasn't very happy with Miss Patty that she
Speaker 5: was participating in the cover up because I wanted it
Speaker 5: to come to a head and for the two of
Speaker 5: them to have a conversation about what's.
Speaker 3: Really going on.
Speaker 1: Well, I have a feeling that conversation is going to
Speaker 1: be a cliffhanger in season six, maybe it'll be two
Speaker 1: episodes in the future. I don't want it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say no, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I just kind of have a feeling, all right. So
Speaker 1: now we're with Paris and Rory. On the telefano, she
Speaker 1: mentions the former president of Harvard, Larry Summers, Laurence Summers,
Speaker 1: who is the Treasury secretary under Obama Clinton. Yeah he was.
Speaker 3: I didn't even, oh sure get any of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and these you know, they he announced that
Speaker 1: the Harvard was now giving open book exams. In Paris
Speaker 1: was railing against that. Why don't they just give us
Speaker 1: the answers? What's the point of all this? Why are
Speaker 1: they lowering their standards?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And and this is the uh, this is when Paris
Speaker 1: finds out. Is this when Paris makes the phone call.
Speaker 3: This is how Paris gets it done?
Speaker 1: Lover.
Speaker 4: It was fun you see the doctor all like?
Speaker 1: All right, So Paris calls the hospital to get the
Speaker 1: scoop because they won't give Rory since she's not family,
Speaker 1: any of the information on his condition, on Logan's condition.
Speaker 1: Paris gets the information very quickly, which was a cool
Speaker 1: scene and it makes you like Paris even more. Right,
Speaker 1: all right, so now we're now we're with Luke and
Speaker 1: Laurel I shopping and it's more of.
Speaker 2: It's like thing about the hospital bug anyone that she
Speaker 2: was wearing the same coat that she gave the Doyle.
Speaker 3: Oh, I thought she was wearing that same weird outfit
Speaker 3: she wore to the wedding.
Speaker 2: Was it the whole out of the coat? Just really?
Speaker 3: I thought it wasn't the Doyle coat. It was that
Speaker 3: weird outfit she wore at the wedding that everybody like
Speaker 3: ripped on her fore and I'm like, oh, wear'st wadding.
Speaker 5: It was both it was that crappy skirt, but it
Speaker 5: was it was the Doyle jacket over it too.
Speaker 3: I guess she just got it back from Doyle.
Speaker 2: At some point, like through my life at that time,
Speaker 2: I was like, is this the Doyle jacket?
Speaker 3: I think she would have just figured out how to
Speaker 3: throw some sweats on for the drive, but for the
Speaker 3: hospital whatever.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Sorry, Scott, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So now Luke and Laurel are outdoors shopping. In
Speaker 1: the background, you see the Warner Brothers Theater, which where
Speaker 1: they have what was the retrospective they were doing. Gosh,
Speaker 1: just Orson Wells. Yeah, so two big movies from Morrison Welles.
Speaker 1: And you know this kind of continues to set us
Speaker 1: up that Luke does not want Laurel I planning I
Speaker 1: mean of herself to help plan this party. And he says,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 3: Believe Did you believe him when he says, and I
Speaker 3: can't remember if it's in this scene or shortly after,
Speaker 3: she's just going to like you more than me.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is this. I do believe him. He was
Speaker 1: being honest with her. You.
Speaker 5: I believed him, but I didn't think it was a
Speaker 5: good reason because if his kid likes Laurel I, then
Speaker 5: that's even more time that he's going to get to
Speaker 5: spend with her. Like, if she's spending time with Laurela, I,
Speaker 5: then he's going to be there too.
Speaker 2: So I think that likes that he has like April's
Speaker 2: his thing. I think he likes that.
Speaker 3: That would have been better if he said, you're going
Speaker 3: to meet her, You're going to spend time with her.
Speaker 3: She's going to love you. She's gonna like you more
Speaker 3: than me. But I need a little more time where
Speaker 3: it's just us. I would have been a little bit more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that's the whole conversation I'm waiting for them
Speaker 5: to have. And so when he that whole shopping trip
Speaker 5: he was to me, he was being so rude to her.
Speaker 5: And then when he like, She's like, well, I'll just
Speaker 5: wait here, I would have been like, hell no, I'm leaving.
Speaker 5: I'll see you later. Like I would have been pissed.
Speaker 5: I guess I'm just a mean person.
Speaker 4: But I don't think I was in that scene.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I would have been pissed. I
Speaker 3: just I agree with you that there's so many conversations
Speaker 3: to have. And I'm not a fan of the threes
Speaker 3: Company episode. Do you know where it's like we all
Speaker 3: know she said it, but he doesn't know, and it's
Speaker 3: just like, oh God, like, can we just have these
Speaker 3: people communicate a little bit more? Like at least Anna
Speaker 3: and all her craziness doesn't like bottle it up. At
Speaker 3: least she's just like letting everybody hear it from her.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think let's just respect Luke's
Speaker 1: here with his child. Yeah, you just got to respect
Speaker 1: his wishes that he doesn't need to explain everything to everybody.
Speaker 1: And it's like.
Speaker 5: Luke from the whole time, and she's been abiding by
Speaker 5: his wishes this whole time. I just want him to
Speaker 5: have a conversation with her because he's completely shut her
Speaker 5: out and he's not communicating with her even a little bit.
Speaker 5: And I just want him to reassure her.
Speaker 1: That he did communicate. What do you think he was
Speaker 1: saying to her.
Speaker 3: He was saying, you're not a part of this.
Speaker 1: Go away. He was admitting something. And this is this
Speaker 1: is Luke being vulnerable. This is how Luke gets vulnerable.
Speaker 1: He admitted to her that he wanted to he didn't
Speaker 1: want to get shoved aside by moralized spectacar personality, which
Speaker 1: which came to Fru a single day of his life
Speaker 1: and it came.
Speaker 3: To fruition in this very episode because she did come
Speaker 3: and make the party great. She did exactly what his
Speaker 3: fear was. But he finally also put his kid first
Speaker 3: and was like, I'm willing to do it because my
Speaker 3: kid's party sucks, the big one.
Speaker 1: He just needs some space and some time to form
Speaker 1: his own relationship with his own kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke the whole time on the I'm happy.
Speaker 4: I'm happy that Laura I has had her moment to
Speaker 4: shine with April, Like, I'm super happy about that, but
Speaker 4: I'm also kind of like I wish it wasn't when
Speaker 4: Luke was desperate, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, It's kind of sad, Like it made me
Speaker 3: feel sad for Laura, Like he wouldn't let her near
Speaker 3: her until he's desperate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now he needs help and now he needs
Speaker 4: to Well.
Speaker 5: She's useful to him, and then he'll let her in.
Speaker 3: That was a little bit of a bummer.
Speaker 4: That was a big bummer.
Speaker 5: And then she the party turned out great and he
Speaker 5: even said it was great. And you could see he
Speaker 5: was like when they were at the party and she
Speaker 5: opened the gift that was from Luke, you can see
Speaker 5: how excited he was, like it was turning out to
Speaker 5: be a good thing.
Speaker 1: And don't you have a little empathy for him? He
Speaker 1: just wants to be good at life and he's not.
Speaker 1: Hang on, let me finish. He's not good at life.
Speaker 1: He needs other he's he he needs other people with bigger, sunnier,
Speaker 1: more joyful personalities to get him to step up and
Speaker 1: breathe some fresh air, you know, because he's so into
Speaker 1: his own thing and his own whatever it is, right,
Speaker 1: he wanted to figure out with his own daughter and
Speaker 1: be good at this and be a good dad so
Speaker 1: he could feel better about himself and have this relationship
Speaker 1: with his daughter. He failed at it in this instant,
Speaker 1: and he failed miserably because that was.
Speaker 3: Just throwing a birthday party for but thatad's.
Speaker 1: Failing as a dad and to the point where he
Speaker 1: was so desperate to please his daughter to be the hero.
Speaker 1: Like now, it's like, call Laurai because I know she's
Speaker 1: great at this, and I just don't see it as
Speaker 1: a weak moment for Luke. I see it as him
Speaker 1: just wanting to be great at life.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, and.
Speaker 1: I felt bad for him, and that's I think one
Speaker 1: of the reasons this episode moved me so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he realizes. I think maybe he got
Speaker 3: to a place where he's going. I am a good dad,
Speaker 3: and one of the ways to be a good dad
Speaker 3: is to have help at throwing a tween I can't.
Speaker 3: Is she turning thirteen? Seems birthday party? Like very few dads.
Speaker 3: There are dads out there that would be great at it,
Speaker 3: but some would not be Luke in particular. So I
Speaker 3: thought good that he called Loralai and they are a team, right.
Speaker 3: There's also things that Luke is very good at that
Speaker 3: Lorali isn't, So I see a real balance today. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like there's plenty of things that she needs from him,
Speaker 3: and it's nice that he needs something from her. But
Speaker 3: I also understand what everyone's saying is that it would
Speaker 3: have been nice if he wanted her to meet April,
Speaker 3: not in a desperate moment like okay, now it's time.
Speaker 3: So you know, the other thing is kind of like
Speaker 3: everything got thrown out the window, all his reasons for
Speaker 3: not letting April and laurall I be together, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, they're just gone. So I thought that was
Speaker 3: a little bit quick for me too. Poof now it's
Speaker 3: just all fine, So.
Speaker 1: This is the This is the writer's trick, right, the
Speaker 1: writer's trick, and rought writers know, and what studios no,
Speaker 1: what networks? Now, if you give the fans everything they
Speaker 1: want when they want it, they get bored. So they're
Speaker 1: just toying with us. Right, we're having this discussion because
Speaker 1: the writing is so good because they're not given they're
Speaker 1: making us wait, they're making us long for it. They're
Speaker 1: creating contra versy. They are giving us characters with flaws.
Speaker 1: So if we're sitting around watching perfect characters, nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: watch that for long, right, People with no flaws are
Speaker 1: really boring. How are you gonna watch that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: So this is just this is just really solid writing,
Speaker 1: you know anyway? All right, So that's it. He's not
Speaker 1: allowing her to throw the party. Uh, now we're with
Speaker 1: Then the next scene is Luke and Anna at the
Speaker 1: diner and Ana throwing Luke's and vibes. There were vibes
Speaker 1: getting tossed. You could feel that he was getting it
Speaker 1: all over them and he didn't. He kind of realized it,
Speaker 1: and it made him wake up a little bit and
Speaker 1: look at her a little different way. And it was
Speaker 1: a very Smiley, very energetic scene, but there was energy
Speaker 1: going yeah, I act there was. They were they were
Speaker 1: connecting again and it was on multiple levels, and it
Speaker 1: was like I written down here, Oh things are about
Speaker 1: to get interested.
Speaker 3: I noticed it just a tiny bit. I'd say, like
Speaker 3: maybe like they were more just like getting along, but
Speaker 3: you can interpret it however you want.
Speaker 1: They were really they were really getting along. This was
Speaker 1: like they were meeting for the first time and they
Speaker 1: really liked each other, but you know, they couldn't show
Speaker 1: it yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm interested if that's what everyone else thinks, like.
Speaker 1: This is the beginning, This is the beginning of a
Speaker 1: second chance for the two of them, and Lorli getting
Speaker 1: called into the rescue. Uh put a stop to that.
Speaker 1: Good right now?
Speaker 3: I don't I'm undecided on that. I'm interested what everyone
Speaker 3: listening thinks on that, because.
Speaker 1: I wasn't asking your opinion. I'm just stating fact.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm not giving my opinion. What I'm
Speaker 3: saying is I am very curious though. I'm curious what
Speaker 3: Pete if everyone else interpreted it the same, Because now
Speaker 3: I'm torn.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, now we're back at the Dragonfly,
Speaker 1: and I think this doesn't track. This is the one
Speaker 1: scene that didn't track for me is Michelle redesigning the
Speaker 1: Dragonflying website the giant picture of his face with the
Speaker 1: tackiest idea that would never come from Michelle.
Speaker 2: Okay, I feel like they just needed to give him
Speaker 2: something for the scene.
Speaker 1: But mister Good Taste of the World his world title
Speaker 1: of having the best taste of any human being in
Speaker 1: the world, and he makes this tacky the weird takeover
Speaker 1: of his giant face as the cover of the website,
Speaker 1: and you click his ear, you click his nose, you
Speaker 1: get the retivations, you click his tongue, you get something.
Speaker 3: That's like the weird Gilmore comedy that's sort of funny
Speaker 3: and sort of.
Speaker 1: Like what.
Speaker 5: Unnecessary. It didn't do anything for the plot. It just
Speaker 5: was like, oh, we need to get him into a scene,
Speaker 5: so let's just throw this one in.
Speaker 3: And no one's actually making a website like that with
Speaker 3: their face on.
Speaker 1: It, No they're not. And just get through the phone
Speaker 1: call with.
Speaker 2: R I was going to say, all you needed was
Speaker 2: the phone call. We could have skipped them a shell.
Speaker 1: Part, but you could have could But it's always good
Speaker 1: to see Michelle, but didn't track. For me. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is when Laurlai takes the call and uh Roy tells
Speaker 1: it Logan, it's been in an accident, and lurla I
Speaker 1: again steps up and she's super mom and can I
Speaker 1: send you or him a care package?
Speaker 4: You know what's weird? Why didn't she like, I feel
Speaker 4: like Lorlai would go.
Speaker 3: Or he's not her just Logan.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: But now that you say it, Danielle, I actually agree
Speaker 2: with you. I didn't think about it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think she would have said do you need me
Speaker 3: to come help? And would have said right now, yeah?
Speaker 3: But can we talk about his injuries? A punctured lung,
Speaker 3: six broken ribs, internal bleeding, contusions and concussion and was
Speaker 3: in a coma.
Speaker 1: Wow. So what I have written here is, uh, does
Speaker 1: Logan have a death wish? I think he does. I
Speaker 1: think subconsciously he does. He's always jumping off of things
Speaker 1: and now he's jumped off the wrong thing with the
Speaker 1: wrong equipment, and he was drunk when he did it.
Speaker 2: Was it's like to escape his issues with his dad.
Speaker 1: This is a guy in serious crisis and he's masking
Speaker 1: it with all that charm and all that bravado and
Speaker 1: all the money and all the parties and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: He's in deep, deep pain. If you jump off of
Speaker 1: a cliff and you're drunk with a little throwaway parachute
Speaker 1: like that, you really are living on the edge. You
Speaker 1: don't really want to live. So what do you guys
Speaker 1: think of that?
Speaker 3: I think he's an idiot college kid doing daredevil crap
Speaker 3: and yeah, I mean backfire.
Speaker 5: He just he's still in that age group where people
Speaker 5: think they're indestructible and then nothing bad.
Speaker 4: Is going to happen.
Speaker 2: And his friends are all the same way too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so idiotic the social circle.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's like not. I mean, I think he
Speaker 2: tries to escape things like his dad and his relationship
Speaker 2: with Rory. That's why he like went on the trip.
Speaker 2: But I think everyone around him is encouraging it as well.
Speaker 2: So it's just like a part of the club, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because after that Martha's Vineyard weekend when his dad
Speaker 5: was like, you know, you're graduating and you're going to London,
Speaker 5: So he's like trying to.
Speaker 3: Get all the last minute partying in the right.
Speaker 1: Control, right mm hmm, Poor little rich boy.
Speaker 3: She looked hurt though, I'm telling you, I know, I
Speaker 3: said it once already. They really made him look made
Speaker 3: that gash on his cheek was very.
Speaker 1: Realistic, really looked.
Speaker 3: It almost was like was he hurt? Like and then
Speaker 3: they just worked it in and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh so anyway, Uh, now we're back at uh
Speaker 1: Luke's and uh he delivers the oh he.
Speaker 4: Speech.
Speaker 1: No he didn't give the now the parties it died,
Speaker 1: the birthday parties that did. These girls are sitting around
Speaker 1: playing cards. Uh so bad.
Speaker 4: I felt like I was watching like you know when
Speaker 4: you're on an airplane and they give you the safety instructions.
Speaker 4: It's like everybody, there are two exits on each.
Speaker 1: Side, right right. Yeah, I think I think Luke delivered
Speaker 1: a pretty funny speech there. I actually rewounded a couple
Speaker 1: of times and I was laughing. It was pretty good. Uh.
Speaker 1: But then now we're the party is a dud because
Speaker 1: everybody needs to use the bathroom and binds us out
Speaker 1: in the area.
Speaker 2: It's like, who needs to go to the bathroom and
Speaker 2: every girl.
Speaker 1: Up and then he calls Laurel I saying I'm in
Speaker 1: a panic. This is a dud. It's I'm blowing it.
Speaker 1: Help me, help me, help me, And he says, well,
Speaker 1: what are we they doing now? And he looks through
Speaker 1: people and she goes, well, how you seeing him? He's
Speaker 1: got a people in the wall, and she goes. And
Speaker 1: then he says and he delivers, and this is going
Speaker 1: to be my favorite line. I do not have time
Speaker 1: for any weird jokes.
Speaker 3: That was actually just so funny. That was so funny.
Speaker 1: So she says, get a radio from upstairs, turns in
Speaker 1: case he won a wan uh, and I'll be there
Speaker 1: in a minute. And so she and then does she
Speaker 1: show She does show up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she shows up. But remember he's like, you didn't bring.
Speaker 1: Anything, didn't bring anything? No, I got this, And they're
Speaker 1: going back and forth. You Laurel I shows up, asked
Speaker 1: everybody to get in the line, hold hands, and then
Speaker 1: they go outside.
Speaker 4: And they just snakes the street.
Speaker 3: That must have been so funny to film.
Speaker 1: Yes, is this really wise?
Speaker 5: To serpentine?
Speaker 3: It's so funny and cute. And I like that she
Speaker 3: doesn't I told you so him?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: She's like, you know what?
Speaker 3: You got it?
Speaker 4: And no questions asked either. Like honestly, if I was Lauraai,
Speaker 4: I would have been like, no, you said you could
Speaker 4: do this? Without me. You're doing it without me, and
Speaker 4: she she just showed up and.
Speaker 3: And she's stoked, like.
Speaker 2: It was great. It was cute that like once they
Speaker 2: got the store, everything was ready. So she's probably like
Speaker 2: stopped by it before or like called and yeah, she
Speaker 2: thought ahead. She was on her feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That Beauty Supply always makes me think of what's her name? Oh, Yane, Shane,
Speaker 3: Jane and Kirk there sometimes too. Beauty Supply gets a
Speaker 3: lot of action. Yeah, more than one would think, more
Speaker 3: than the bookstore, like the local Sephora.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Good, good, So really coming through being a hero.
Speaker 1: Then we're at the hospital again. Rory calls Mitcham Huntsburg.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually have.
Speaker 1: The finds out. Logan says, well, yeah, well she's talking
Speaker 1: to Logan's sister and they're flying in from his Stanbul
Speaker 1: or someplace. Yeah, yeah, yeah, waiting for a connection. And no, listen, Rory,
Speaker 1: you know, no, his dad is not going to go
Speaker 1: see him. He doesn't approve of the Life and Death Brigade.
Speaker 1: He thought Logan would grow out of it at this point.
Speaker 1: And no, he's not visiting his son.
Speaker 2: My thing with that is Mitcham was in the Life
Speaker 2: and Death brigade the whole time he was in college.
Speaker 2: And she says, and and he still is in college.
Speaker 2: So that was my flag of like, how would he
Speaker 2: grow out of it if like he's still in the
Speaker 2: in the mix of it all? Do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Right, well, I think Mitcham just.
Speaker 1: Is just because because I think Mitcham didn't have a
Speaker 1: rich daddy to to step into a role of response
Speaker 1: because it was the.
Speaker 3: Other No, I thought the Huntsburgers have money also, yeah,
Speaker 3: a lot. It was her mother had, her father had
Speaker 3: money too, leanne she was like a cocktail waitress or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then it was that old grandpa at the dinner.
Speaker 3: That's Mitch. Hunsburger had money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did they have the newspaper empire at that Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think they had like hundreds of millions. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: like old money. Yeah they got there, they're rich.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I sit corrected.
Speaker 3: I thought we were calling Mitcham. I have that that
Speaker 3: line ready when we.
Speaker 2: Get to it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, what a great phone call. I
Speaker 1: mean Rory stepping up and being a hero and saying
Speaker 1: the words that every parent needs to hear.
Speaker 3: Here's what she says, mitcham Hunsberger. Yes, it's Rory Gilmour.
Speaker 3: I just thought i'd call and remind you that Logan
Speaker 3: is lying in a hospital bed with a partially collapse
Speaker 3: lung and a whole host of other potentially life threatening injuries.
Speaker 3: And I'm figuring a guy like you, surrounded by nothing
Speaker 3: but a bunch of terrified sycophants, might not have something,
Speaker 3: might not have someone in his life with the guts
Speaker 3: to tell him what an incredibly selfish, narcissistic ass he's being.
Speaker 3: So I thought I'd jump on in, swallow your pride,
Speaker 3: getting your car and come down here and see your son.
Speaker 1: Now, nice, beautiful.
Speaker 2: So many times I wanted Rory to stand up to people,
Speaker 2: and she finally.
Speaker 1: She got even you know, beautiful, beautiful scene. And for
Speaker 1: all you self obsessed narcissistic's parents out there, let this
Speaker 1: be a lesson. Okay, now we're back at Luke's and
Speaker 1: I just wrote down here, Laurel I is just she
Speaker 1: has a black belt in life. You know, she's really
Speaker 1: good at life, and she's really good with kids, and
Speaker 1: she's just a dream who shouted out bad idea hagrid.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they called it referred to luc As Hagrid.
Speaker 2: That was so good.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that until you.
Speaker 1: Just brought it up. What was Luke's idea? Luke had
Speaker 1: an idea to do something and somebody shouted out bad idea, Hagrid.
Speaker 5: She wait until the next day to open her presence.
Speaker 5: He thought she was going to open that weird bathroom set,
Speaker 5: not knowing that Laurrela I had switched out.
Speaker 1: He got heckled by the by the kids. It was
Speaker 1: really funny. So that's when.
Speaker 4: She was just saying that Anna was saying that they
Speaker 4: called him Hagrid. Yeah, because he was the least embarrassing
Speaker 4: parent on the trip.
Speaker 2: Right, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, right right right.
Speaker 1: So this is when Laura l I suggests a sleepover
Speaker 1: and a slumber party, and Luke says, yeah, but Joe
Speaker 1: have to call your parents and get approval, right, And
Speaker 1: then he goes behind the counter and he says, everybody
Speaker 1: line up. This is the We see them all get
Speaker 1: on their cell phones, stand up and walk in different directions,
Speaker 1: get on their cell phones to call their parents at
Speaker 1: the same time. And he's trying to get everybody cueue
Speaker 1: up behind the diner and he sees that.
Speaker 2: I just love that the sign is still there and
Speaker 2: the phone's right by the no cell phone sign and
Speaker 2: turns around and they're all their phones.
Speaker 1: Good good comedy stuff for Luke, I'll tell yeah, form
Speaker 1: a single file line. And then there's a nice little
Speaker 1: scene of the girls downstairs having fun and doing Harry
Speaker 1: Potter Chance or whatever they were doing, and Luke not
Speaker 1: being able to sleep.
Speaker 2: Light is a feather stiff as a board. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to do that all the time. I brought
Speaker 2: back some memories for sure, yep.
Speaker 1: And I think that was a nice moment.
Speaker 3: And that's a very dad moment. Yeah, the dad's always
Speaker 3: like trying to sleep during the sleepover.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is there was you know, the
Speaker 1: thought was, what is my future going to be? Am
Speaker 1: I going to be with Laurel? I? Is this going
Speaker 1: to work out? And I miss I miss Laurel I
Speaker 1: in a sense, you know what I mean. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a nice little full moment there for him. Anyway.
Speaker 1: That's what I tried to do with the moment, as
Speaker 1: I recall, and I don't know if I accomplished it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: All right, We're back at the Dragonfly and Laurel I
Speaker 1: arrives in the kitchen and hands Suki some Bonnie Bell
Speaker 1: lip smackers.
Speaker 2: The Doctor Peper was my favorite.
Speaker 4: Anything anything from lip smackers anything m.
Speaker 1: Hm where they have flavors I don't even know what.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: And then you would get this pack of like ten
Speaker 4: and it would all be like different, like sparkly killers,
Speaker 4: and there's still.
Speaker 5: Like so super sticky.
Speaker 2: It was like really thick, and they for sure just
Speaker 2: kept your lips chopped.
Speaker 4: But yeah that you smelled good. Yeah, like something, the
Speaker 4: spray the Doctor Pepper one.
Speaker 3: I sat them in a stalking Christmas stalking this year.
Speaker 2: They still sell them totally. I just related to that
Speaker 2: scene a lot. To just open the back.
Speaker 4: That's my measuring stick. Nobody take it.
Speaker 1: Oh well you better hope I call on you first,
Speaker 1: all right. And then now we're back in the diner
Speaker 1: and Anna storms in. She she really gives it to
Speaker 1: old Lukie. Oh no, no is this yeah? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the diner or is.
Speaker 3: This yea upstairs in the apartment She did in the apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So she reads him the riot act man,
Speaker 1: what'd you guys? I think we all we discussed this.
Speaker 1: We know how you know, everybody knows how we feel
Speaker 1: about this. We don't need to, but she really brings
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 4: Can I read a couple of her lines? Sure? She
Speaker 4: said you wanted to throw her a party? Luke, you?
Speaker 4: And then Luke said, I know I did, Anna goes. No,
Speaker 4: you had your girlfriend throw her a party, A girlfriend
Speaker 4: I don't even know, a girlfriend I've never met. This
Speaker 4: is not our agreement.
Speaker 3: Shut up, Anna, How am.
Speaker 4: I supposed to explain this? How am I supposed to
Speaker 4: explain that to the other girl's parents? How am I
Speaker 4: supposed to tell them that I left their kids all
Speaker 4: alone with the woman I've never met, who already know.
Speaker 3: Because they call.
Speaker 5: Well, And she's not saying that any parents have actually complained.
Speaker 5: She's just like trying to think of something to be
Speaker 5: mad about. Correct, No parents are going to complain.
Speaker 1: He's not angry about that. She's angry that she's I have.
Speaker 4: To know where she's She's wish always.
Speaker 1: He's angry at throwing sunshine at Luke.
Speaker 3: And then first of all, Anna, oh, I have to
Speaker 3: know where she is at all times? Okay, did you
Speaker 3: know when she came to the diner and yanked my
Speaker 3: hair out exactly? Anna?
Speaker 5: Like rolling around town pulling out men's hair.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a good point, a good he's not
Speaker 1: like that, he's not snappy back like that.
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to say it. I'm saying it to
Speaker 3: everybody else. Then she sent her kid on a ten
Speaker 3: day school trip with a dude she hasn't really talked
Speaker 3: to in twelve years. Like that wasn't good enough to
Speaker 3: know about the kid? Like that also seems very.
Speaker 4: Odd to me.
Speaker 5: It's inconsistent, thank you.
Speaker 3: That's the word I've looking for. Inconsistent.
Speaker 1: All right, So now we get to the hospital and
Speaker 1: lo and behold who shows up at the hospital. Mitchell
Speaker 1: Mitcham Hansberger. Who is I mean, let's give it to
Speaker 1: Greg Henry, a master of nonverbal communication.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I won't say it, but he really
Speaker 3: reminds me of somebody who he doesn't remind you all
Speaker 3: of a former president? For some reason?
Speaker 1: Which president? Who? The one?
Speaker 3: The one we just had before this one? Yeah, for
Speaker 3: some reason, Greg Henry slash Mitcham is so trumpy to me.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, just.
Speaker 4: Saying needed a little more hair fluff to consider that.
Speaker 3: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: And now we are back at Laurla and Luke's house.
Speaker 1: I guess it's both their houses.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know, thank you for bringing this up, Scott.
Speaker 3: I was glad he told her what happened. I didn't
Speaker 3: need him to not tell her. So kudos to Luke. II.
Speaker 4: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they're having Chinese food. He tells her that
Speaker 1: Anna's pissed and it's a big trust to shoot and
Speaker 1: I'm just glad.
Speaker 3: Yeah he said sorry. I I liked that she said
Speaker 3: sorry because she felt bad, but she just was doing
Speaker 3: the right thing. So I actually that scene I actually
Speaker 3: liked m I thought they were getting along fine and
Speaker 3: dealing with challenges.
Speaker 1: Fine, right, Okay, I'm just texting Amy now she'll be
Speaker 1: relieved me.
Speaker 3: No, no, Amy, Oh good, approves of this scene.
Speaker 1: Hang on, Amy says back, thank god, all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Uh, Logan and Rory.
Speaker 3: Real hard to hurt there.
Speaker 1: This was really nice, right, This was like I wrote down,
Speaker 1: she really loves him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally we're threw them up right exactly, which I
Speaker 3: was ready for.
Speaker 1: Right right. It's kind of perfect timing. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of these storylines got tied up and elevated
Speaker 1: in this episode, which was I think it was so
Speaker 1: effective yeah, yeah, yeah, And I guess this is where
Speaker 1: we see everybody's kind of growing up or trying to
Speaker 1: grow up or or really move beyond where they were
Speaker 1: and declare and love each other and trust each other.
Speaker 1: It started getting emotional here for me. And then our
Speaker 1: final scene, we have a Laurel I and Anna. You know,
Speaker 1: Laurel I goes to Anna's shop.
Speaker 3: What do you think of her going there?
Speaker 4: I liked I kind of liked it.
Speaker 2: I like that it was a person not a phone call.
Speaker 2: I actually did like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's a stand up move. I think
Speaker 1: it's a real stand up move by somebody who wants
Speaker 1: to take responsibility, wants to meet the person wants to
Speaker 1: make things right, doesn't want to be a source of
Speaker 1: friction between Anna, April and Luke.
Speaker 4: And also like, look at me, this is what you're
Speaker 4: nervous about or what you were afraid of right or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know, Like it's me. You don't have to worry
Speaker 4: about me, you know exactly.
Speaker 1: She I think she she did it for all the
Speaker 1: right reasons. I think I was.
Speaker 2: I do I do wish that Lorala I said before
Speaker 2: Anna had to prompt your like, hey, I'm a single
Speaker 2: mom too. I wish that she had said that, like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I understand I'm also a single mom,
Speaker 2: because the only reason why she said it is because
Speaker 2: Anna's like, well, I'm a single mom, and She's like,
Speaker 2: well I am, like you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: wish she kind of walked and saying like, hey, I
Speaker 2: understand your frustrations because I also was in the same
Speaker 2: situation you're in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Susanne, you're jumping out of your skin right now.
Speaker 5: No. I was just gonna say I give her props
Speaker 5: for going and trying to have an adult conversation with
Speaker 5: Anna about the situation.
Speaker 3: I do wish she hadn't.
Speaker 5: Been so sheepish about it and taking oh, the whole.
Speaker 3: Thing was my fault.
Speaker 5: I'm so sorry, because it wasn't her fault.
Speaker 2: Brought her in.
Speaker 5: She saved the day, Like Laura, I was the hero
Speaker 5: that day, and I don't like that everybody's trying to
Speaker 5: make her feel bad about it. And I feel the
Speaker 5: same way about the scene where they're eating the Chinese
Speaker 5: food and you know Luke she was. She apologized to
Speaker 5: Luke and she said I'm sorry and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry too. Like there Why is everybody trying to
Speaker 5: make her feel bad about this? Like none of this
Speaker 5: was her fault.
Speaker 1: I don't think, and I think I think Laurlai finds
Speaker 1: herself in the middle of a difficult situation where there's
Speaker 1: really strong feelings flying around, and she's being the bigger person.
Speaker 1: She knows that she's not responsible for all of these
Speaker 1: bad feelings. It's she's just being a good person, doing
Speaker 1: the right thing in this situation. But she's taken the
Speaker 1: heat because she's being the bigger person in that situation.
Speaker 1: She's being the bigger person to Anna, going face to
Speaker 1: face and being spectacular and great.
Speaker 3: I don't I think she did great with Luke. I
Speaker 3: think saying sorry is okay because she's saying I'm sorry
Speaker 3: that happened to you, I'm sorry, this is messy, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Right that part I was fine. I don't think she
Speaker 3: should have gone to the store. I think it really
Speaker 3: thought about it, but I think she should have gone.
Speaker 1: To the store. I think it really proves how much
Speaker 1: she loves Luke by going to that store. I think
Speaker 1: she should have said things. I think it's a really
Speaker 1: super advanced adult move.
Speaker 3: It's just a little bit of an overstep. I think
Speaker 3: she should have said to Luke, why don't we go
Speaker 3: and try and talk to Anna? Now now that I've
Speaker 3: met April, you and I are in this together, we're engaged,
Speaker 3: why don't we go and meet April, I mean, sorry,
Speaker 3: meet Anna so she can get to know me. To
Speaker 3: me going on her own, not telling Luke she was
Speaker 3: going that would be very jarring for me, no matter
Speaker 3: who I was. If I'm putting myself in anna shoes suddenly,
Speaker 3: the girlfriends there would just be very jarring.
Speaker 2: I mean, she tell Luke.
Speaker 3: I think we're to assume she didn't tell Luke because
Speaker 3: I think if she would have said to Luke, he
Speaker 3: would have said, no, no, no, don't do that.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a part of Laurel I that
Speaker 1: was going over there to mark her territory with anything
Speaker 1: like that's my guy, and here I am and I'm
Speaker 1: real and I exist. I don't deal with me. Do
Speaker 1: you think that undercurrent there? No?
Speaker 3: I didn't. I just thought she was going to say like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this happened, I'm sorry, this got messy. I'm
Speaker 3: in it. Your kid, kid's great, I'm gonna I want
Speaker 3: you to meet me. And know that I too have
Speaker 3: a kid. I'm going to take great care of your kid.
Speaker 1: Have anything to worry about. You'll never have Luke. He's mine.
Speaker 1: Bye Bye, nice meeting.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying other people might not see that, but
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I think she was trying to again, like you said, Scott,
Speaker 5: she loves Luke so much, and she was hoping that
Speaker 5: if she went and worked things out with Anna, then
Speaker 5: Anna wouldn't be pissed at Luke anymore, right, and everybody
Speaker 5: could just be happy. I think that's what she was
Speaker 5: trying to fix. I didn't think it was like a
Speaker 5: passive aggressive thing.
Speaker 3: In the real world though, that's not a move I
Speaker 3: would make.
Speaker 5: Catch. I don't know if this was an error on
Speaker 5: the writer's part, or if Chryline Fenn didn't said said
Speaker 5: the line wrong, which I'm sure they would have made
Speaker 5: her do twenty takes if she said it wrong. But
Speaker 5: she said she made a comment about how April doesn't
Speaker 5: meet people that she's dating. And she said she made
Speaker 5: some comment about when I get married married again.
Speaker 3: I think we're to assume she was married once.
Speaker 4: She said so, basically, until I'm ready to get married again.
Speaker 4: She doesn't meet any of the men I date.
Speaker 5: Interesting, where's the again coming from? Like, where have we
Speaker 5: ever heard about Anna being married?
Speaker 1: There's the information we do not have. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of information we don't know about this. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not filled in for us.
Speaker 4: It could be a reason.
Speaker 3: Still doesn't there you go nodn't that's fine? Why doesn't
Speaker 3: want Laura I involved? It's still I still don't have
Speaker 3: a reason why we're giving this woman so much leeway
Speaker 3: on the fact that she took the kid away. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying that's where I'm like.
Speaker 4: Wait, what, but what did she started dating somebody new
Speaker 4: and she told that new person that I was their kid?
Speaker 3: Oh, well, then she's worse.
Speaker 1: It was general the reason talking about all.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a Pretty in Pink that they watched Pretty
Speaker 3: in Pink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Molly Ringwald speech was really funny.
Speaker 5: About Mollie Ringwold because Molly and Lauren were in a
Speaker 5: show together before Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 5: And we also got to see like a real quick
Speaker 5: glimpse of Kirk in that scene when he was setting
Speaker 5: up the.
Speaker 1: Movie yeah, yeah, he didn't steal the episode, And.
Speaker 3: There's sort of a there's a little uh switched at
Speaker 3: birth reference to which is kind of funny that later
Speaker 3: wait there is well it's the show hadn't happened yet,
Speaker 3: but there's some sort of did they mix up the
Speaker 3: babies thing? I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Rory said that about she went to the
Speaker 5: maternity ward in case she wants to pull a prank
Speaker 5: and switch.
Speaker 2: Switched the babies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who do we think let's do a new
Speaker 1: segment here, who do we think stole this episode? Whose
Speaker 1: episode was this? Susanne?
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I think this was Luke's episode. I
Speaker 5: really loved he was just laying down those rules about
Speaker 5: don't go in the restricted area and you'll burn your
Speaker 5: face off, and I just I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: That was Who do you think I have to give
Speaker 2: it to Laura Li for this one? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just feel like there was especially that last scene
Speaker 2: for me with a close second to Rory Danielle Lauraai a.
Speaker 3: Lorli. I mean you know what, look Luke Lorlai, Rory
Speaker 3: all a tie Zuker, all laid up.
Speaker 1: Do not know?
Speaker 3: I can't stand her. It's a great episode. Made me upset,
Speaker 3: but it's a late episode.
Speaker 1: Let's rate it, Susanne, what do you give it? What's
Speaker 1: your measuring stick? Okay, now let's just be clear what
Speaker 1: Danielle claimed measuring stick? What was that? Again?
Speaker 4: Reminded smackers.
Speaker 1: You can't so Lipsmackers is on the board. This is
Speaker 1: not an official rule book. You can use lip smackers
Speaker 1: if you would like to.
Speaker 4: No, don't take no, I am not going to use
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give this respect.
Speaker 5: I can't decide. I'm going to give this a seven point.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, I want to feel happy when I want.
Speaker 5: These episodes are not.
Speaker 3: What was your cold bananas? You took my God, you gotta.
Speaker 1: Claim them, and from now on you cannot claim. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't do it. Well, let it slide this time, Tara.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a nine parachutes that didn't open.
Speaker 1: These are so good.
Speaker 4: Wow, some of my broken ribs.
Speaker 1: You gave up Smackers. But that's kind of like doing
Speaker 1: a joke, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go with Cass, but.
Speaker 3: Nine point nine people's in Luke's weird bathroom storage closet thing.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, your storage closet.
Speaker 1: People nine point nine, nine point nine or.
Speaker 3: Pretty in Pink's whatever you oh nine point nine. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I loved the episode. I'm very upset about it, but
Speaker 3: doesn't mean I didn't love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm going to give it ten point zero. Rory
Speaker 1: furrowed browse. Oh wow, oh yeah, did sorry?
Speaker 5: Can I throw one more thing in? Did you guys
Speaker 5: notice when uh, in the interval between when Finn and
Speaker 5: Colin went to get some of Logan's stuff, they brought
Speaker 5: back like everything from his apartment, like the suit of
Speaker 5: armor was in there.
Speaker 3: Oh, I did not notice that that big poster thing.
Speaker 5: On the wall.
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny. Favorite line.
Speaker 5: A favorite line is when Kirk said something about I'm
Speaker 5: very susceptible to signage.
Speaker 1: But Luke had a better line. He said, I'm very
Speaker 1: susceptible to people that order things that are on the menu.
Speaker 1: So Tara, so we'll just correct that in the final version, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're welcome.
Speaker 2: It was more. It was more of the scene where
Speaker 2: it's Luke saying like all right, like we're gonna get
Speaker 2: a single file line and then like he just turns around.
Speaker 2: It was more of that scene for me when he
Speaker 2: just turns around sees everyone on their phone and no
Speaker 2: one's paying attention to him.
Speaker 4: Danielle Mine is when Sukie and Lola were in the
Speaker 4: beauty shop and Sukie says, I feel like I'm fifteen again.
Speaker 4: Jackson's so getting under my bra tonight.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I forgotten to have a favorite line.
Speaker 3: I think I got so upset that I literally don't
Speaker 3: have one. So I'll just give a Ray's speech to Mitcham.
Speaker 3: I literally did not take one note during this episode
Speaker 3: when I was watching it. I just watched it and
Speaker 3: was just like, I'm getting more and more upset. I
Speaker 3: feel better after this.
Speaker 2: How many more do we have in the season?
Speaker 1: I still have to get my line? Hang on? Sorry,
Speaker 1: my favorite line? Sorry, I gotta go with Luke about
Speaker 1: the peopole line. I do not have time for your
Speaker 1: weird jokes. That was great. I do not have time
Speaker 1: for your weird jokes right now. All right, that's going
Speaker 1: to wrap it up for us. Thanks kids, Thanks for downloading.
Speaker 1: Best Fans on the Planet. Next episode twenty one, season six,
Speaker 1: driving Miss Gil.
Speaker 3: How many more are there in season six?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Total?
Speaker 5: Two?
Speaker 3: More?
Speaker 1: Wow? And then We're done. Boy, it's getting.
Speaker 2: Flew through this season.
Speaker 1: It doesn't suck, it doesn't strong. It really is strong. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's going to do it. Remember go to the Warner
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