WEBVTT - Anthony Scaramucci describes stomping grapes, getting fired by Trump and overcoming adversity 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.080 You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:04.760 Montclair in. 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:08.360 The last few days, telling friends my next podcast guest 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:12.240 was going to be Anthony Scaramucci. Everybody had a reaction, 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.720 a big one. How amazing, Ruthie, How did that happen? Ruthie? 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.880 Lucky you, lucky us to listen to the two of you. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.800 When will it come out? In my career, I've been 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.639 a chef and an author and now a podcaster. In 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.560 his career, Antony has been a President's communication director in 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:36.360 the White House, a financial genius founding Sky Capital, and 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.960 the host of the Rest Is Politics US podcast. We 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:43.840 both had our ups and downs. His may have been 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:47.720 higher ups and maybe downer downs. But we're not here 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:52.879 to compete. We're here to talk about food, party politics, 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.920 food and party parties, food and family, food and memories. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.320 Up to date, spent about ten minutes with Antony, but 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.240 it doesn't feel that way for me. The night we 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.200 met in the River Cafe was an immediate connection. I 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:11.920 agree with my friends. How lucky am I to have 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.280 him here today? How lucky am I to share stories? 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.360 How lucky am I to kind of feel he's my friend? 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.360 Well? I mean, the feeling is it's very very sweet introduction. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.360 I didn't prepare an introduction, but I just want you 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.600 to know that I'm a super fan of yours. And 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.920 the night that I had here was very memorable one 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.440 for me because I came with Jason Fox, who's a 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.360 legend here for the SAS show. I did the American 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.360 version called Special Forces, and so he dunked me in 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.520 a car and he trapped me in the car and 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.000 pushed me out of a helicopter, set me on fire. 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.320 I mean, I don't know what the hell I was 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:49.200 doing in that show. 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.000 But he took you to the River caf That part 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.360 of the risk. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.040 Yeah, no, no, no, The River Cave was the dessert after 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.640 brutalizing me in the desert. We were out on the 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:05.520 Wadi Rum desert. The show's ten days at age fifty eight, 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.800 I made it through six of them, so I was 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:09.280 proud of myself. But it was hard. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:10.760 What did you eat? Do you remember? 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:12.320 Oh? Terribly terribly. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:12.760 I lost. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.359 I lost probably we'll go by killer. I lost ten pounds. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.200 I don't know, ye, yeah, I bought probably six kilos. 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.919 I mean it was a shit on a shingle corned 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:29.440 beef and on toast boiled eggs. It was terrible of 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.960 franks and beans. They were giving you sort of sas 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.800 food rations for the day, unlimited amount of water, but 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:37.760 the food was terrible. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.520 What do you think you took away with you? 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.720 You know, it's a great question. I think when you 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.600 go through something like that and it's a minor thing, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.240 you get a lot more empathy for people that are 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.440 actually out in that desert for eighteen months, or they're 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.639 out there serving the country, whether it's the UK or 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.880 the US, and they're making a sacrifice to keep people safe. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.320 I mean, you get a lot more empathy. The other 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.799 thing is, I think your life's happiness comes from your 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:06.000 expectation management. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.400 And tell me about expectation managed. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.400 Well, if you're sleeping on a cot in one hundred 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:15.200 and five degree weather in a canvas tent, and you've 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:18.280 got a little pillow this big and a little tiny uh, 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.600 and you're freezing at night because the temperature goes to 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.760 one oh five to forty eight. These are Fahrenheys, of course, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.639 and you start freezing. You're like, you know, you learn 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:28.680 to appreciate what you have. You learn to appreciate the 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.080 comforts that you have. I do you know, I'm a 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:37.280 big believer that life is about expectations. Lower expectations, higher positivity, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:38.040 higher outcomes. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.600 I think it's also interesting me, but you brought up 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.080 was about empathy, because there's all thinking about empathy so 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.360 much right now, especially since someone whose name I don't 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.280 actually like to mention on the podcast, which is Elon Musk, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.440 said that liberals had too much empathy. I saw someone 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.600 wrote something in response to that and said, you know, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:04:00.000 empathy is he said, he wrote, I used to try 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.000 and think what was evil? How do you define evil? 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.640 And then he said, thinking about it, I think evil 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.560 is when you have no empathy. And it turned out 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.800 that it was signed by someone who was it Nuremberg, 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.320 you know, judge at Neuremberg. And it made me think 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.880 about how empathy. If we don't have empathy, what do 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.919 we have. I think it's so well, crucially. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:28.360 I think that's it, you know, I mean, ultimately the again, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.839 I guess I'm sharing a lot of my personal follows. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.080 I'll share it with you. I get the most joy 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.520 out of helping other people. I think that's an axiom 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.760 for most people. I tell people, you know, I have 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.600 an older brother that has an experienced drug addiction in 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.320 his life. He's going in and out of rehab. He 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.159 is figured out a way to stay sober by helping 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.680 other people. He's a sponsor. He's a phone call away 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.840 from someone that's depressed or in need of something, or 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.880 trying to help somebody stay off of whatever the drug 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.080 is that they're addicted to. And I think when you're 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.400 helping people, you're at your best. And if you're helping people, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.880 your empathetic tours whatever their struggle is, you know. And 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.360 so to me, I think empathy is the whole thing 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.880 empathy is. But a lot of these norses is frankly, 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.520 they don't have a lot of empathy. There are people 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.799 political leaders and whatnot that they objectify people and they're 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.919 just in their field of vision. Do either do a 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:27.600 transaction that's favorable or unfavorable, and then they're immediately discarded 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.520 like it's it's almost like a video game for a 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:31.919 lot of these people, unfortunately. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.479 And the other one that you talk about is resilience. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.320 So we have empathy, but we also have resilience. And 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.600 I've been through quite a lot in the last ten 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.160 years as all as of Heath, and I thought, actually, 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.599 if you can teach your children resilience, I think that's 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.120 a great gift to have in life. That you you 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.160 have to be able to cave in as well, you have. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:57.680 To be able to Is it teachable? 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:00.000 That's a good question. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.960 With my children. My observation, I guess, is that they're 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.360 observing you. I can say things to them, but it's 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.479 not going to really matter. It's your actions that are 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.479 going to be things that happened. So when I got 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.320 fired from the White House, which was a brutal time 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.920 for me, Ruthie, if you're ever having a bad day 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:20.080 and you're listening to this podcast, I want you to 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.880 imagine my day on the thirty first of July twenty seventeen. 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.240 I got I asked fire from the White House, blown 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:31.160 into Pennsylvania Avenue, skinned alive by the media, rolled in margarite, assault, 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:36.680 and I was on the Santa Monica promenade. Don't know 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.000 if you've ever been out there at that open door 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.720 promenade on third and fourth Street. And my son at 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:42.880 that time, he's thirty three now, but he was twenty five. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.000 Then he put his arm around me and he said, Dad, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.479 are you going to be okay. It was the first 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.599 time in my life where my son was parenting me 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.320 as opposed to be parenting him, and I didn't really 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.520 remember the feeling if I was going to be okay 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.120 or not, but I remember what I said to him. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.359 I said, yeah, going to be okay. Watch what I 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.479 do with this. And I think it's very important for 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:09.680 kids to see their parents get through things, whatever they 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.560 may be, because then in their mind they have space 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.640 for their own failures. They have space for whatever they 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.160 come up short on in their lives where they can say, Okay, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.320 well that's happened to my mom or happen to my dad, 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:21.800 and they were able to get through it. I can do. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.960 I find a lot of my very wealthy friends. They 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.920 sanitize their life, Ruthie. They have a life that goes 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.040 up into the right. It's a perfect story. They made 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.640 no bad decisions. I can't tell you the number of 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.960 billionaire memoirs that I've read where I'm a gas that 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.840 the perfection of all their choices, and then you look 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.000 at their kids, and their kids are always eclipsed by 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.680 all that, and it creates great insecurity. I just think 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:52.600 it's super important for your children to see your fallibility, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.240 your mistakes, but also your grind, your ability to get 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.160 up and get going after your. 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:02.120 Mistakes, the resilience that you have now. I bet your 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.920 son said to you, how are you going to cope 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:09.920 what you described as one of the worst imaginable situations 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.360 of being fired? What was that? Tell me what that 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:12.840 was like? 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.400 First of all. First of all, I deserve to be fired. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:17.920 We can talk about that too. Is you have to 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.240 be accountable. I should have never taken that job. I mean, 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.960 this is a joke inside the family. I mean, my 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.120 wife hates trust. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:26.080 That's what the job was. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.520 Okay, So I was the White House communications director for 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.720 eleven days. My I mean, my wife hates Donald Trump, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.160 like almost as much as Milania hates him. So I mean, 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.240 that's like way up here. And so I mean, and 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.160 she told me not to do it. And this is 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.760 a real cautionary tale. I did it for ego related reasons. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:45.920 I had grown up in a blue collar family. I 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.599 went to Tufton Harvard Law School. I had started to 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.000 successful businesses, sold one in my late thirties, and so 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.679 I had some financial independence. And now I had a 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:00.480 chance to work for the American President. And the funny 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.640 thing about this is just a side of my bad 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:08.520 judgment or my immaturity. My mentor, who I totally respect, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.400 was about ten years older than me, was given a 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.319 big job in the administration, and in December he called 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.920 me to say he wasn't taking it, and I said what, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.000 And he said, no, I'm not going to take it. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.400 I spent enough time with Trump to know that we're 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.040 like oil and water and it's going to end badly 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.000 for me if I take the job. And my ego's 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.160 in the right place and I'm not going to take 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.839 the job. But that wasn't me, Ruthie. I took the 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:36.520 job because my ego and my pride were driving me 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.440 to the notion that I was going to work in 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.160 the White House and help solve some problems and work 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.800 on policy and help people. I mean, it was a 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.720 little bit of idealism in there, but what there really 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.160 was was a lot of ego centers. It was filling 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:54.920 the self narrative of me, and it was quite detrimental. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.360 I mean, Deirdre and I almost got divorced. I missed 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.559 the birth of my fifth child I was in It 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.320 still pains me to talk about it, but I'll share 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:09.200 it here. James was born on July twenty fourth, twenty seventeen. 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.120 It was a Monday. I was with President Trump at 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:18.080 the Boy Scouts event in West Virginia. Deersa and I 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.240 were fighting. She was due on August eighth or ninth, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.560 and she was delivering prematurely, a couple of weeks early. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.079 And there's a sixty mile no fly zone around Air 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.120 Force One. So an Air Force One comes into an area, 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.400 they have fighter planes, but they also have you know, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.800 you can't go over Air Force One. You can't fly 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.360 over that airspace. And so it was an impossibility to 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:42.800 get back to New York. So I missed the birth 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.959 of my son. So you have to imagine this week. 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.800 I'm working for President Trump. It is not going well 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.680 because there's a lot of internescent fighting in the White House. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.120 Trump is doing things that a lot of us are 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.160 looking at same ways. I don't want to be involved 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:03.160 with that. Fighting with him, and I get fired, almost divorced. 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.760 Missed the birth of my son. So again, if you're 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.840 having a bad weekend, he was having a bad week, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.719 give me a call. I can tell you about a 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.920 really bad week. But we should take it back to food. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:12.560 But I'm just saying, do. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.760 You know I agree? I know? Okay, tell me who 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.959 eats better the Democrats for the Republicans. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.560 I had one meal with Trump in the White House, 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:25.080 in the Blue Room. It was on a Wednesday. And 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:26.240 you know how I know it was a Wednesday. Was 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.560 only there for one Wednesday, we kid, so I know 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.920 it was a Wednesday. So I had beef Wellington. The 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:33.360 son of a bitch is going to lift the five 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:38.400 hundred years old He eats well done meat with ketchup. Okay, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.439 but the chef in the White House was making a 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.440 beef Wellington and he loved it. I think he had it. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.400 You know, I had like two out of five weekday nights, 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.800 and so I had beef Wellington with him in a salad. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:51.560 What else did you mean with him? 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.400 You know he likes hav Me had Hamburger's on the campaign. 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.560 Remember I did nine months of campaigning with Trump, so 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.160 it was a tremendous amount of fast food. Did you 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.559 ever hear Jimmy Johns the fast food place? So Jimmy 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:07.520 Johns is like a Midwestern sandwich shop. It's like all 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.840 cold cuts. I mean, it's unbelievable that his orderies are 0:12:09.880 --> 0:12:13.160 still flowing. I mean, this guy eats McDonald's french fries, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.080 quarter pounders with cheese, Jimmy John's cold cuts. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:18.960 Do they seem to enjoy it? Does he say they're 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.160 savoring it? Or is it just getting the food down? 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:26.120 No? No, no, he is a fast food maniac. By the way, 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.160 I mean, he'll come off. He would come off the 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.959 plane where a campaign, he'd be like asking the cops 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:32.720 where the burger king was and he'd like, what do 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.440 you want from burgering? I'm like, I don't want anything. 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.199 Was campaigning with the Democrats. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.680 Like, well, here's the problem with the Democrats. 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:40.320 He's a good cook. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.720 By the way, she's she's she's a great cook. She's 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:49.240 an incredibly nice person. She's a very smart person. But 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.640 they did her a disservice because you can't you have 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.080 whatever you think of Trump. At the time that she 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:59.520 was running against him, he was arguably the most famous 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.640 person in the world, or one of the most famous 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.960 people in the world, and she had one hundred and 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.000 seven days to get to know the Americans and the 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.080 Americans to get to know her. But also she was 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.040 working with Joe Biden's team. She's not her own team. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:16.360 It wasn't like her office is based in Delaware, it 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.400 wasn't based in northern California. So this was a tremendous disadvantage. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:21.679 Did you travel with her? 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.040 So I went to I went to Philadelphia with her 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:30.640 for the debate. The first of all, let me let 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.800 everybody on at Thirty of Them series, I'm a lifelong Republican. 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.080 The Republicans have so much envy for the Democrats. Gonna 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:39.760 tell you why. Okay, people are gonna hate me for this, 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.040 but they that Democrats have the celebrities that Democrats have, 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.439 the artists, the Democrats have the cool people in the culture. Okay, 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.400 the Democrats have more fun. Their parties are better, the 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:56.200 entertainment is better, the food is better. The Democrats have 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.559 the culture, which is why Trump is pissed off of 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.720 them all to which is why he you know, decapitated 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.520 the Kennedy Center, right because you know, the Democrats look 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.959 at him, or the artists look at him like a 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:12.360 knuckle dragging ogre, and so you know he's gonna, I guess, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.000 bruise them by taking over the Kennedy Center. And like 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:20.040 you know, he knocked out board members of the Kennedy 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.200 Center were giving tens of millions of dollars of donations 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.760 to the arts and to the performing arts in the country. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.480 And so he's not going to replace that money. He's 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.720 not going to give anybody his money. That's not how 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.040 he operates. So and by the way, you know, we're 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.240 in the United Kingdom. You're not allowed to compare Trump 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.960 to these fascists. So I'll try not to do that. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.880 But Mussolini did dead took over the arts. What happened 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:46.120 to Mussolini in the end? People turned on him, right, 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:49.640 So I mean, you do enough crazy stuff over time 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.200 that people will turn on you and. 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.640 The message you're giving us all because. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.680 I think it's you. I mean you're doing people are 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:02.160 doing very crazy things in the United States right now. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.240 Listen to the Boss, Listen to Bruce Springsteen. They'll tell 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:06.720 you what I. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.960 Was really proud of him, because I think there's a 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.960 lot of thought going on, is how do we oppose 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.160 what is the opposition right now? You know, how do 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:20.240 we express our frustration or disdain or anger for what 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:22.479 our country is representing? 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:23.080 Right now? 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.520 So how would you let me? So let me say 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:29.040 something I think it's important. This is original programming for 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:33.000 me because I haven't really shared this with anybody. Think 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:37.440 about my life experience. I was with Trump, and I 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:41.000 was with Trump seeing something, and then it was manifesting 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.000 and overlaying what I saw on President Trump. And so 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.480 what did I see? I saw a group of people 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:50.600 in our country, the United States, who were feeling economically 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:57.120 left out this twenty sixteen. In my neighborhood, I would 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.880 describe the neighbor I grew up in as economically asper. 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.600 My father didn't make a lot of money, but he 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.320 certainly thought its kids would go on to make some 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.320 money and live the American dream. It was upward mobility, 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.440 I would say. When I was campaigning with President Trump 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.160 and I was by accident with him because I was 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.000 with Jeff Bush Jet Bush lost, he asked me to 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.960 go work for him, and so I accepted. I mean, 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.080 I made a lot of mistakes, but perhaps that was 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.040 the first one. But what I saw is very relevant 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.680 for twenty twenty five because I'm sure it's happening here 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.760 in the United Kingdom. There is a feeling of lower 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.560 and middle income people that they're not getting ahead for 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.120 their children. Forget about themselves for a minute, my dad 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:45.600 economically aspirational. Today, same person, they're feeling economically desperational. They 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:49.440 don't have the same living standards that they once had 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.000 in blue collar America. And by the way, when I 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.080 was with the president President Trump in twenty sixteen, I 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:59.760 priced my dad's wages and I told him that those 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.400 ways are now down twenty six and a half percent 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.840 in real terms, that would put my family not in 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.640 a small house, but renting somewhere, possibly on an EBT 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:13.680 or governmental assistance card. And so there's a real dilemma 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.560 going on in the country now. He unfortunately has taken 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.080 advantage of it for his own personal purposes, and those 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.360 people are galvanized to him because they don't feel there 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.520 are other alternatives. There haven't heard anything from the establishment 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.840 politicians in thirty years. You know, those people's grandparents voted 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.119 for Linda Johnson, they voted for Jack Kennedy. Maybe the 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.360 great grandparents voted for FDR, but the Democrats left them. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.359 The Republicans were never with them. And so Trump's populous 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.760 message has galvanized a lot of people. And of course 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.560 you've had the Democrats make a lot of missteps in 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.960 terms of the way they handle the last election. But 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.359 there's it would be remiss of me not to bring 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.760 up the dilemma, why are fifty percent of the United 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.480 States voting with him? There were forty of us that 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.680 worked for him, that begged people not to vote for him. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:10.159 I would say the disaffection and the you know, the separation, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:14.000 the feeling of being abandoned for the class of America 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.480 who felt that the society they were promised, the expectations 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.119 they thought they would have, were played to by a 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:27.720 populist who did it through racism, through status division, through divisions. 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.399 So if they wanted that ianization, would they go for 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:36.120 Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton? That said, I understand what 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.640 you're talking about, but we'll do it through what you said, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.720 through empathy. We'll care about the people who don't have 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.240 health care, or care about the people who are waiting 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.119 at the border to have a new life. Instead of 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.040 saying these people do not deserve this, we were angry 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.240 at these people. And that's what that's what's what I 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:55.200 think was manipulated by is that. It's a long conversation, 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.560 but I think there were two ways to go. There's 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.160 the and you worked for com you worked for the Democrats, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.840 and I know there's so many problems, but I work. 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:05.800 I worked for her. I helped her on the debate prep. 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.400 I spent hours with her team uh in her debate preparator. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.920 Iways just say this, Bernie was too far to the 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.000 left for the US left. The country is a primarily 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:18.680 centrist country in some ways center right. Hillary Clinton would 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.280 have been a very good president, but she unfortunately doesn't 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.280 have the personality for our time. You know, maybe she 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.720 could have if she campaigned in a different era. This 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:35.000 is a hiring decision that's based on popularity. Now, you 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.159 know it's not a hiring decision that's based on qualifications. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.480 Having a popularity contest versus sitting around in a boardroom 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.440 trying to make a decision. 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:46.720 Did you think she would win? 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.840 I got that wrong. I thought she was gonna win. 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.840 Alistair Campbell and I Rory Stewart actually bet money on it. 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:01.199 I traveled in enough areas of the Swings days to 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:06.760 see her momentum and her rallies were building, and I 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.720 thought she was gonna win. I was very surprised by 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.280 the results. But remember he won by like one and 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.840 a half points. He only won by three hundred thousand votes. 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.520 You know, but the Democrats did something, and if Democrats 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:20.960 are listening, it'd be really mad at me. But I 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:24.000 did Gavin Newsom's podcast that I told him this, how 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.520 do you let Elon Musk and Bobby Kennedy out of 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.720 your party? As an example, Lennon Johnson would have never 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.639 done that. Okay, Joe Biden And it turns out it 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.800 was probably Joe Biden's staff, now that we're learning about 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.200 Joe Biden. But he gets disinvited from the Electric Vehicle summit. 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.800 What are you guys doing? Lindon Johnson had one of 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:43.760 the best lines ever. Let's get all the elephants into 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.960 tent this way. If they have to take a piss, 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.439 they piss out of the tent. Don't let an elephant 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.920 outside of the tent that could potentially piss into the tent. 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.800 Elon and Bobby Kennedy really helped Donald Trump more than 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:55.640