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Speaker 1: Least, He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: show on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Go back. I'm Dale LOLLI,

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Speaker 1: he is Matt Wingson. This is the Drive on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio and Matt. I was looking at the thirty

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Speaker 1: third Team website and they had Charles Davis and Paul

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Speaker 1: Burmeister rank the NFL's top rushing backfields for the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three season. Okay, so this is this is your

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Speaker 1: entire your entire backfield. Okay, So we don't know why. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't why they picked seven. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: we when we talked about them last week with the

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Speaker 1: what was the top nine wide receivers? How do you

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Speaker 1: pick in these numbers? I don't know, but that's what

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Speaker 1: they went with. Side notes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're taking this approach to but

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Speaker 2: I did a little bit of writing for a touchdown

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Speaker 2: wire and we weren't allowed to ever do five or ten.

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Speaker 2: Eleven's fine. Forty three is great to whatever. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's fine.

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Speaker 1: This one goes to eleven, but this one goes to seven. Seven,

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Speaker 1: So we got seven.

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Speaker 2: So lamar cowns fields, cowns her, I mean, and McCaffrey's

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Speaker 2: ability to catch the ball doesn't right right, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So at number seven they have the Colts with Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Taylor and Anthony Richardson. I think that's really really good.

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Speaker 1: Like my hunches, I would have them higher. That being said,

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Speaker 1: we haven't seen Anthony Richardson do anything yet right now,

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Speaker 1: and he may fumble every time he touches the ball

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I don't know. It might be a disaster.

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Speaker 2: So that therefore you have to rank on the side

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Speaker 2: of caution with them.

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Speaker 1: Which is why they're not higher on this list. I

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Speaker 1: get it.

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Speaker 2: But he also might be the best running quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the league and Taylor might be the best ball carrier

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Speaker 2: in the league.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Taylor wasn't the best ball carreer in the league

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Speaker 1: last year. I know that. No, he wasn't number six.

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Speaker 1: This one might get some pushback for people from some people.

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Speaker 1: The Jets with Breise Hall and Michael Carter. Are we

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Speaker 1: putting the cart a little bit before the horse there? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Hall's really impressive, but he's coming

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Speaker 2: off a major injury. They drafted all of a Conda

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Speaker 2: out of pit, which I didn't think they needed. It

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Speaker 2: was a little bit of a red flag to me

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Speaker 2: in terms of his injury. They don't seem to love

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Speaker 2: Carter and their running back gives or their quarterback gives

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Speaker 2: them nothing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're getting nothing from your quarterback. Like I would

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Speaker 1: rather have the Steelers backfield than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Pickkett's gonna have three hundred more yards

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Speaker 2: on the ground than Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna add to the equation. Harris and Hall

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Speaker 1: are comparable. I'll take I'll take Jalen Warren all day.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't just about rushing yards at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day. But I'll promise you unless Minshew

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Speaker 2: plays the whole year, the Colts backfield will have more

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Speaker 2: yards in the Jets.

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Speaker 1: And as we saw last year, the Steelers averaged one

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty six yards rushing per game in the

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Speaker 1: second half of last season. Yeah, nobody seems to want

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Speaker 1: to pay attention to that nationally. Yeah, that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of it's a lot of yards. It's a lot of yards.

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Speaker 1: You average one hundred and fifty rushing yards per game,

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Speaker 1: You're doing something right. I agree, and I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: Rogers is going there just to hand it off the

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Speaker 2: No chance. Now that one shouldn't even be in the

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Speaker 2: top ten. I guess I don't quite get that one

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Speaker 2: of these. I take the I take Atlanta's backfield over that.

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Speaker 1: Oh they I guess they're not on the list. I

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Speaker 1: the Giants backfield over that.

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Speaker 2: By far, Jones is the top six running quarterback. Bark

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, maybe those guys are on here down the list.

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Speaker 1: rushing production will dip a little after signing a massive contract.

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Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean he's not good at it, right,

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to give them credit for having

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Speaker 2: a Greado line. I'm just talking about the ball carriers.

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Speaker 1: At four Derrick Henry and Tij Spears with the Titans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the only thing they have going for them,

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Speaker 2: but their quarterback is not going to give him much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and ty J Spears, I don't know what he is, No,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of a big deal. They wouldn't be near

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and any of those other three teams

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Speaker 1: because you're not going to get a bunch of I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're going to get a bunch of rushing

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Speaker 1: yards at a Ryan Tanneyhill, who has been the last

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Speaker 1: he will. He'll be one hundred and fifty yards for

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Speaker 1: who he is anymore. At three are the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers with Christian McCaffrey, Elijah Mitchell, and Deepo Samuel. I

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Speaker 1: guess Stevo's worth bringing up. I mean, I guess he

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Speaker 1: But how many times is he gonna do that this year? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he's going to do that a

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Speaker 2: If you told me Trey Lance was their quarterback, I

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Speaker 2: would be like, yeah, McCaffery, yeah right, that's that's different

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Speaker 2: than but assuming they play party ball, he's not a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this list stinks. Yeah, I'm not digging this. That's

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Speaker 1: a good conversation, But the list thinks, well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Packers with AJ Dillon and Aaron Jones. That's a good backfield, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just went real quick to see what teams had

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Speaker 2: I think what's lost on this list is the value

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Speaker 1: Right. The Bears were number one by fall. We haven't

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Speaker 1: even mentioned them, right, I don't even care who their

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Speaker 1: insane to me. Now you don't have the Bears. They

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Speaker 1: only that, you have another team from the NFC North

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean compare to the Bears and Packers, it's

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Speaker 1: Which even gonna run for more yards in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the Bears.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned a couple of these, but the team

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Speaker 2: leaders in rushing yards last year went Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta, Giants, Eagles, Browns.

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Speaker 1: Like in some of those teams, some of those teams

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, which isaing if you have a healthy Kyler let alone,

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Speaker 2: Allen let alone, Lamar Fields or Richardson, you should be

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Speaker 1: is the Ravens with Lamar Jackson, JK. Dobbins, and Gus Edwards. Okay,

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Speaker 1: They're going to run the football, that's what they do. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ritter's not a bad runner.

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Speaker 2: The thing about Atlanta though their third on this list.

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Speaker 2: While they upgraded massively at running back, a lot of

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Speaker 2: their quarterback rushing was the Mariota times.

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Speaker 1: he showed last year. Oh absolutely, I mean he's picket esque. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they're they're similar. Like I think they get

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Speaker 1: three hundred rushing yards at least at a Desmond Ridder

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Speaker 1: last year they again they didn't want him doing that

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Speaker 1: so what's your backup option? Then you didn't have one.

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Speaker 2: And not you at least have Heineke and Hey, Riddard,

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Speaker 2: it's it's your time to show us everything you possibly can.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you let him. You're not going to send him

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Speaker 1: play eighteen holes of golf here, but we're gonna take

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Speaker 1: given half a year, is that any different than Bijon? No,

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Speaker 1: not one bit. Like Bjeon is a much better prospect

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Speaker 1: than Brice Hall. Right, all right, one was an early second.

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Speaker 1: One was an early first. Yeah, so that makes no

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Speaker 1: sense to me. Giants would be really high the more

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Speaker 1: I think about it. Yeah, I mean, Daniel Jones runs

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Speaker 1: Were five to two. I mean, Josh Allen's a pain

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Speaker 2: I mean to see the fourth best running quarterback in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I give you make that argument and he's you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean I would put Richardson's hard to rank in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but Lamar and Fields are ahead of him, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I agree. So again, I think I think

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Speaker 1: You know, there's forty nine ers. What are you going

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Speaker 2: And Deebo doesn't make up for that with his two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're actually very comparable to the Packers who

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Speaker 1: Yeah right right, good stable in the backfield, a quarterback

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Speaker 1: mean I think it does open to you, know, your

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Speaker 2: To your point, the Steelers are closer to being on

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Speaker 1: And we would not have had that conversation the last

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Speaker 1: I think quarterback rushing has a lot to do with this. No,

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Speaker 2: So we just talked about the best runners in the

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Speaker 1: Right, he's in your he's in that conversation. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of those second tier guys like if you were saying

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford isn't running anywhere anymore, no, rop Low, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know, guys like Lawrence are better runners than you realize,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's a Steeler. Fans went nuts a

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Speaker 1: No, no, very little, you know, right, Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: Right now, if you're doing backfield, quarterback has to have

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Speaker 1: Without a doubt. I mean, they've got they've got the

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Speaker 2: Right, and not to mention, yeah, you lost Montgomery and

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Speaker 1: The elite Russian quarterback of that equation is all that matters.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you have twelve hundred yards last year

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Speaker 1: It was like they were like seven straight weeks last

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Speaker 1: Like that's just you know, you're going to run for

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Speaker 2: And as mentioned like with Jalen Hurts, Hurts is a

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Speaker 1: No, no, I mean fields. Highlight runs are highlight runs.

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Speaker 1: Highlight runs. I'm like all time highlight runs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like some of the best backs in the league

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Speaker 1: So I just did pull it up.

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Speaker 1: Eight, sixty eighty two, eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: So basically from October thirteenth on, I'm doing super quick map,

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Speaker 2: probably wrong. I bet he averaged about one hundred yards

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, Andy when he plays Fantasy knows how

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Speaker 2: I mean, I want to say he's the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: It's Chicago, and it shouldn't even be close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Baltimore's anyone close because they would have

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Speaker 1: Games, right right, Yeah, But how they make it, how

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Speaker 1: they don't make it, And the Jets and Packers and

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