1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here today, 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: but he'll be back soon. They called me Ben. We're 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond. 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that 9 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: This is part two of a two part series on 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: a creepy little spaceship series of spaceships called the X 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: thirty seven B and uh we decided we made a 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: we called an audible as they say in the world 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: of sports. We made a game time decision to make 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: this a two part or so we're not going to 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: spend too too much time on on the beginning. We 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: do hope you listen to part one so you can 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: fully appreciate how creepy and weird this is becoming. So first, 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: here are the facts, uh not if someone never heard 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: of space now I'm kidding, this is what never heard of? 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: The X thirty seven B. How would you how would 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: you explain it to him? I would say, imagine the 23 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: Space Shuttle that you've probably seen, unless you're too young 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: and you've never seen it. Look up NASA Space Shuttle, 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: look at that thing, and then imagine a tiny little 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: version of that that doesn't have any people in it. Right, perfect? Yeah, uh, 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: And now your natural question is going to be, well, 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: if it doesn't have people in it, what does it 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: have in it? And spoiler, we spent most of part 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: one asking ourselves that same question. Uh. Now, we can 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: go over some high level things, the stuff that has 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: been sanitized for public and some but if you are 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: listening to this show, or if you have ever read 34 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: about this craft in the past, you know that that 35 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: that stuff is incredibly unsatisfactory. It's not a great explanation. 36 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: So today what we're going to do is, uh is 37 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: talk about all the speculation that thrived in the absence 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: of transparency here. That's right. Important things to know before 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: we get into this discussion. The last mission that sent 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: the X thirty seven B up into space lasted for 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: nine and eight days. That means this little thing that 42 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: is automated was in space for nine days on its 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: own doing some things. There are a couple of experiments 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: that are declassified or that have been spoken about publicly 45 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: publicly by the people that are running those experiments, but 46 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the rest of it we don't know. You need to 47 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: know that the payload bay for this thing is about 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: the size of the back of a truck, like standard 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: sized truck, So like what could fit in there? And 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: what can it do? Because it can maneuver around. It's 51 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: not like a satellite that gets put into orbit. It 52 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: can maneuver, so what's it doing. Yeah, you also need 53 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: to know that a lot of the stuff we are 54 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: discussing has been categorically denied by Uncle Sam numerous times, 55 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: through numerous platforms, via numerous officials, and it turns out 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of what they're saying may not entirely 57 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: be the truth. It's Emily Dickinson style truth. They told 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: the truth, but told it slant. For any poetry fans 59 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: out there, this this is mission critical here. Uh. You know, 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: sometimes governments, well often governments have to keep secrets, but 61 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: they also encounter mission creep right and a lot of 62 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: conspiracies or not theories, but active conspiracies on the part 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: of governments are not meant to hide the things you're 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: thinking they're hiding. Like a lot of stuff is classified 65 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: not because of what it is, but because they don't 66 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: want rivals to know how they know it. They don't 67 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: want those collection methods to be clear, right, And this, 68 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: this is one of the big sticking points. It's one 69 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: of the big misconceptions about a lot of conspiracies. That 70 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: being said, there are a ton of conspiracy theories about 71 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: the X thirty seven B because there are no real 72 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: leaks about it. It is a tight ship, which is 73 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: um not unusually leave us literally and figuratively, it is 74 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: a it is airtight um well maybe not the cargo bay, 75 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: but we'll we'll get into this. When you think of 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: this thing, we need to understand it is is that 77 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: it is one of the most mysterious man made objects 78 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: in space that we know of. If that sounds like hyperbole, 79 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: will then strap it. So when we last left off, 80 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: we were talking about the potential for spying with this craft. 81 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: If the US wanted to spy, either on the ground 82 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: or on other satellites or other space technology, they can 83 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: maneuver this thing around and spy however they wanted to, 84 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: including hacking into satellites right from space, just settle up 85 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: to one hack into it, move on. I'm so glad 86 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: you brought that up that because there's another point we 87 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: talked about in Strange News. I don't know if we 88 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: got to it in part one, but one of the 89 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: basic questions about that kind of hacking, at least remotely, 90 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: would be do you need that proximity? Right? What would 91 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: it not be more cost effective to have someone hack 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: it from the ground, right, Like, there are a lot 93 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: of questions here, and so in this episode, we're going 94 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: to do a lot of uh devil advocation for and 95 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: against these theories. We're gonna have a lot of back 96 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: and forth, and we're doing this in hopes that someone 97 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: who can give us the scoop on X thirty seven 98 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: B or one of its global counterparts can contact us 99 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: and give us a little bit of illumination here. So, 100 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: without further ado, here's where it gets crazy. We talked 101 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: about the when we talked about the idea of spying 102 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: on other satellites, surveilling them somehow maybe the outside possibility 103 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: of hacking them, we were careful to point out that 104 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: that was the least crazy theory. There are two other 105 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: big ones and the proponents, the champions of those theories, 106 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: guarantee you're going to surprise you. What's uh riddle me this, Matt. 107 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: What's worse than having someone spy on your satellite? I 108 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: don't know, grabbing your satellite out of space and then 109 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: just bringing it back to the US grand theft satellite. Yeah, 110 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: pay attention, rock Star, Yeah, I know. I could see 111 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: this working with some of the smaller military satellites and 112 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: experimental satellites that have been launching in recent years that 113 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: are I mean tiny. You're talking about a little bit 114 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: larger than the size of a bowling ball with some 115 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: appendages attached to it. Um, there are some tiny satellites 116 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: that would fit easily into this thing. You could probably 117 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: capture it, maybe not fully intact, but most of the 118 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: tech maybe could, but kind of don't see it. I 119 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: don't know that's the thing. It's okay. Would the X 120 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: thirty seven B or something like it have the ability 121 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: to physically capture satellites which are small, right, especially the 122 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: newer wins and going very fast? By the way, I 123 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: don't think we mentioned that when things are in orbit, 124 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: they're moving pretty quickly. Uh, would it be able to 125 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: capture them and keep them in good enough shape that 126 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: it could return them to us soil with something worth 127 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: looking at. Right, that's that's if. If that's the case, 128 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: that's amazing and terrified. We you know, let's go back 129 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: and forth, right, Um. Experts in the field, Matt tend 130 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: to agree with you. They've so far painted this as 131 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: an unlikely goal. Part of it is well once. One 132 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: part is that the size of the playing is the 133 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: size of the x Y seven B rather is just 134 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: too small, at least according to orbital analysts. Yep, there's 135 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: one person you've found, been Brian Weedon, who said, yeah, 136 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: it's definitely too small. And you know, this thing is maneuverable, 137 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: but to have the kind of nimbleness you would need 138 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: to get under that satellite, get it to fit perfectly 139 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: into your cargo bay, and then close it up. It 140 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: probably doesn't have that kind of dexterity. Probably at least 141 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: they were aware of. Um. But again it's weird because 142 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: you get the same Maybe it's just unlikely. Well, yeah, 143 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: that's the thing. So I was thinking about the maneuverability aspect. 144 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: So yes, it can alter its orbit. That is known 145 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,599 Speaker 1: as a not not even a secret in this cavalcade 146 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: of secrets. But altering the orbit is like saying walking right, 147 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: walking is not the same thing as an intricately choreographed dance. 148 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: And that's the level of dexterity you would need to 149 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: capture a satellite with without breaking it right and then 150 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: having it someone safely ensconced within this craft such that 151 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: it returns again, it returns in good enough shape for 152 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: there to be information gleaned from it. If you think 153 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: about it, folks, it's way easier to hit, damage, and 154 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: or destroy a satellite than it to safely play some 155 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: weird orbital you know, carnival game and drop your little 156 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: claw hand in and then pick it up and get 157 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: it back into you know, your your robo shuttle. Yeah, 158 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining the shape of it, the way the 159 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: bottom is. Like theoretically you could maybe you could fly 160 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: this thing just above the orbit of a satellite and 161 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: just push down on it right like gently, basically dock 162 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: with the top of it, and then push it down 163 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: so that it falls out of orbit. That would be used. Yeah, 164 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, because that that seems already like 165 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: a better idea than the carnival claw hand, but use 166 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: a magnet. Oh yeah, you could use a magnet if 167 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: you figure out how to make it not mess with 168 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: all your magnetically sensitive stuff. Yeah, but how do you 169 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: deal with re entry unless it's contained inside the ship 170 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: which is designed to come back to re enter? M M. 171 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, I don't know. I was also 172 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: after we're done in part one, I kept thinking of 173 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: the trojan horse, you know, like, how would you this 174 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: is feels like a trojan horse design too, Like later 175 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: you could take this technology, make a disguised pay load, 176 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: and then said, oh, we're gonna get into it anyway. 177 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: The other the other problem that I think we're we 178 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: both automatically clocked is, uh, if you're trying to steal stuff, 179 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: your main thing, the main thing in any heist is 180 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: to get away, Yeah, anonymously so people can't find you 181 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: or know who you are. And if you took any 182 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: action like we're talking about here, you know, taking a satellite, 183 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: moving a satellite, hurting a satellite, uh, people are gonna 184 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: know that it was you. Yeah, he's an ethically fraught comparison. 185 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: Think of shoplifting, no judgment. You know, everybody's got a 186 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: past some people have chop lifted because they had they 187 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: had to they needed to eat or something like that. Right, Um, 188 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: if you are trying to steal something from a store, 189 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: you know that it's easier when there are not cameras 190 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: on you, when a manager or an employee isn't staring 191 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: you down looking right at you. Sure you can take 192 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: whatever that thing is. You're stealing, whatever that object is, 193 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: but odds are you're not going to get away with it. 194 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: You're not going to get out of the store. So 195 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: in this comparison, Earth Orbit is the store and there 196 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: are cameras everywhere, and the manager is always watching. There 197 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: are millions of managers. They have a little meet up 198 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: on the internet where they just make sure they think 199 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: that they can follow you around the store. That's serious, Like, 200 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: that's really not a bad comparison. And then they post 201 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: on Reddit about where you are and what you're doing, 202 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: and then yes, and then they uh, they point their telescopes. Okay, look, 203 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: maybe we're over exploring this, but that's but that's one. 204 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: I think those are two. Um, those are two important 205 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: things to point out about the problem with the satellite 206 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: snatching theory. Right, But that's not even the Um, that's 207 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: still not the craziest one of the I don't even 208 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: want to call it crazy to be honest with you, folks. 209 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: One of the most extreme theories then, is that the 210 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: X thirty seven b is is is kind of a 211 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: trojan horse that under the guise of peaceful R and 212 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: D and experimentation, it's actually paving the way for the 213 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: weaponization of space, which is a huge thing that the 214 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people just don't think about or care 215 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: about until they see you know, uh, the latest action movie. Right. 216 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a little thing. You may have even heard 217 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: this in a fictional story, a little thing called orbital 218 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: launch platforms. Uh um, maybe a nuke, maybe something else, 219 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: maybe a rail type situation where it's just a kinetic 220 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: impact of something super heavy. Because remember this thing is light. 221 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: This thing is very light. You could probably load it 222 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: up with you know, that entire back of the truck 223 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: with something you just let go goes straight down into 224 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: a target. Yeah, it probably wouldn't be we mentioned this 225 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: part one. It probably wouldn't be the old school uh 226 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: tongusten rods that were kinetic weapons, just because that's too 227 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: big for the back of the truck. But just like satellites, 228 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: NU Nuclear weaponry is getting smaller and smaller. Miniaturization is 229 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: one of the um one of the key breakthroughs for 230 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: any technology, right, and so well for many technologies. Right, 231 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: there's some stuff you want to build bigger and bigger, 232 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: But but for what weapons of this sort? I think 233 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people need to shed the idea of 234 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon being a ginormous rocket. The ginormous rocket 235 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: is simply the means of getting the actual weapon to 236 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: the target. Right. And if you have already used the 237 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: rocket to get your X thirty seven B in space, 238 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: then now you potentially just have to figure out the 239 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: math of wind to let the cargo door open, he 240 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: and and and how to you know, how to alter 241 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: your orbit such that it lands profly where you hope 242 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: it want will land. You know what I mean? It 243 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: is if eventually, if you had let's say three to 244 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: six of these orbiting at any one time, right, and 245 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: you staggered the times when they came back to Earth 246 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: to like refuel repairs, all that kind of stuff, the 247 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: standard maintenance, you could have a fleet of maneuverable orbital 248 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: launch vehicles just ready to rock. And and that kind 249 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: of thing is something where even if world leaders had 250 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: ethical compunctions about it, they would still want to build 251 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: it because they don't want to be the kid on 252 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: the playground who doesn't have that toy, because then you 253 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: automatically will lose all arguments when it gets down to 254 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: brass tacks, right. Uh. And that's so people are feeling 255 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: compelled to make it the same reason that people felt 256 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: compelled to get nuclear weapons, right, because US foreign policy 257 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: has shown pretty much without exception, that if you attain 258 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, you won't be invaded. If you're working 259 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: on nuclear weapons, and you walk back from working on them, 260 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: right and you start up that work, then uh, no 261 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: holds barred. I know, time for some freedom, right, which 262 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: sounds very, very cynical, But that's an a political point. 263 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: That is just the precedent that the world has seen, 264 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: and it goes regardless. It goes the same way, regardless 265 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: of US administrations, regardless of which party or which corporation 266 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: is in power at the time. So when we talk 267 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: about this, I have to realize, as crazy as the 268 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: idea of space weapons might sound, as sci fi as 269 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: it might sound, this isn't some hot take from Twitter. 270 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: Some of the most publicly aired concern about this is 271 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: not from some guy and read it at three am. 272 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: Not there's anything wrong. We've all been that guy. Uh, 273 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: and stop some anonymous source. And for chant it's the 274 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: leaders of other governments with their own space programs, Russia, China, 275 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: right later on India, you know, and then the brick 276 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: the brick nations, all of them. Uh. So why don't 277 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: we pause for word from our sponsors, and then let's 278 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: go to an expert on this, Dean Chang writing for 279 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: Foreign Policy. So this article is worth the read. Uh, 280 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: if you are interested in learning more about this. Uh. 281 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: This is called when the Chinese look at X thirty 282 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: seven B, they see the future of space based attack. Uh. 283 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: This is from Dan Chang and Thomas E. Ricks. Uh. 284 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: It's a few years old, but but you'll see why 285 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: it's still relevant. I think so Chang sees a what 286 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: what he portrays as a fundamental difference in perspective between 287 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: the US and China. Uh. The military analyst of the 288 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: Chinese government, well like any military analysts, they think in 289 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: terms of precedent, they think in terms of structure. So 290 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: when you see a new technology, one of the best 291 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: ways to kind of spin out the future of it 292 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: is to think of what happened, what went down when 293 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: there was a similar situation, a similar innovation, breakthrough, challenge, war, etcetera. 294 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And we pulled some quotes 295 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: from this because I think it helps explain their concern. Yeah, 296 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: let's jump right into the article here. Quote. Just as 297 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: aircraft initially provided reconnaissance and artillery observation, space systems are 298 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: seen by Chinese military thinkers as a crucial part of 299 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: modern warfare. From the Chinese perspective, space has played an 300 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: essential role in fighting and winning quote local wars under 301 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: information ized conditions, from the First Gulf War through the 302 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: Balkan conflicts to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. It 303 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: really makes sense. So they're looking at just what what 304 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: aircraft did? How did that change the game? Just being 305 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: able to fly a vehicle and observed from above, well, uh, 306 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: we kind of see what it did. Now, what's happening 307 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: if you could fly a vehicle from even further above? Yeah, 308 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: And it's I mean, it's a very smart way to 309 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: think about it. It goes back to the precedent again, 310 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: but they took it further, right, Um, you know, they're 311 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: they're also very aware. Any military strategist is very aware 312 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: now of information as a battlefield. Right, the digital space 313 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: and now the physical space beyond the bounds of Earth 314 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: is only another potential theater of conflict of war. It's 315 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: they're big thing on the side of the Chinese military 316 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: is the concern about what's called space to ground operations. 317 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: Those are those rods of God, right, those are the 318 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: eyes in the sky that can tell you information you 319 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to obtain otherwise. And they had, uh, 320 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: this is where they're coming from with their concern. They argue, 321 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: here's another quotation quote. Just as reconnaissance aircraft led to 322 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: fighter planes to shoot down those reconnaissance planes, and they're 323 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: then developed bombers for both battlefield support and strategic bombing campaigns, 324 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: the world militaries will inevitably repeat this pattern with space. 325 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of like how Earth's ecosystems tend to have 326 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: the same roles filled by any other any number of 327 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: life forms. But there are predators there. There is a 328 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: prey class, you know, and then there's an apex predator class. 329 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: All all the neat little things in between. The order 330 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: of operations makes sense, and it kind of apes natural evolution. 331 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: When you think about it, that was unintentional play on words. 332 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: Of course, you start with a little you know, the 333 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: easy to build planes, the biplanes, Right, if you survive landing, 334 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: then you'll have some intel. Right, And then you have 335 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: someone else saying, oh, snap, their thing works. We need 336 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: a biplane with a gun. We need a we need 337 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: a predator. It's always a camera first, almost always, we 338 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: need a thing with a camera for peaceful purposes. Then 339 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: we need a gun to shoot down that thing that 340 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: they have with the camera. Well, now we need a 341 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: bomb to break their facility where they're building the things 342 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: that have the guns that shoot down our camera things. 343 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: And the whole time we're saying this is a matter 344 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: of national defense. Uh, and you know, and sometimes that's true. 345 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: So the Chinese government, then, very simple terms, is concerned 346 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: that the X thirty seven B is in reality the 347 00:22:54,000 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: first stage towards developing this space to ground attack capability. Now, 348 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks out there who will 349 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: tell you that this capability already exists, and what they're 350 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: doing is making an educated guess based on proven evidence 351 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 1: of technological suppression. Right, The idea that something like an 352 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: autonomous car was already very much around before the public 353 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: even thought about it. Uh, something like a smartphone or 354 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: a cell phone was already very much around before the 355 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: public ever got their first flip phone Nokia, Right, both 356 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: of those things you're true, by the way, So it's 357 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: not a guess that comes out of the vacuum. The 358 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: Chinese and Russian analyst here, they might not necessarily see 359 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: X thirty seven B as a space bomber now, but 360 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: they do think it is a hundred percent evidence that 361 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: there is a space bomber on the way. And they 362 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: also know you don't need that much trunk space to 363 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: carry a pretty nasty nuclear weapon. Yeah, in a truck 364 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: or in an orbital test vehicle, which is horrifying. This 365 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: is brought to you by Ford. Yes, yeah, that's brought 366 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: to you by Ford. I mean that's a question though, 367 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: So I got a question for you on this one, man. 368 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: Do you do you think this could be good old 369 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: propaganda and fearmongering? Like is this because governments do this 370 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: all the time too? Is this a way to rationalize 371 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: further research and expenditure on home home brewed versions, you know, 372 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: like that's what the US, the U S and the U. 373 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: S SR did that all the time, day in day 374 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: out during the Cold War. They were like, Russia might 375 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: have psychics, and someone said, our psychic power is real, 376 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: and then someone else said, Hi, give me several million dollars. 377 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: You know what, we will look into it, sir. I mean, well, 378 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: I think there's always going to be an aspect of that, right, 379 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: an aspect of what you're talking about, the posturing, because 380 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: you kind of have to, um, because if you don't, 381 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: you're screwed if you if your enemy has it. But 382 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: I think there's also maybe look, I don't know who 383 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: am I, but it does feel like rather than the 384 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: bomber version that China is thinking about with this thing, 385 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: I think it's closer to that air to error combat 386 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: fighter style thing. Um. I don't want to spoil too much, 387 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: but we got a very interesting listener correspondence via email 388 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: from someone talking about laser weapons after we mentioned that 389 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: on a show previously. And while you know, when you 390 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: look at the X thirty seven B, it doesn't appear 391 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: to have any kind of capabilities like that, but I 392 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: imagine you could you could fit this thing with some 393 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: kind of optical weapon tech and it would be highly 394 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: effective against other things that are already in orbit rather 395 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: than you know, a space to ground. Yeah. And you 396 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: know what, Uh, you're in agreement with those analysts too, 397 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: because they are pretty clear that they see a progression, 398 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: a tiered progression. So there they're concern is eventually a 399 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: space bomber, and we want to be the The implicit 400 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: thing is we want to be the person the first 401 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 1: person with a space bomber because we trust us. Like, 402 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: that's exactly right. It doesn't matter whether you are a 403 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: pro gun or anti gun. You know, if you are 404 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: in a room with ten strangers and one firearm, and 405 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: one person holds the firearm, how do those ten people 406 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: who are you going to trust? You're gonna pick yourself 407 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: to be the holder of the fire? You know. Uh, 408 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: death's messed up to think about just humanity as a whole. Yeah, 409 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: And everyone's like, hey, I'm the most trustworthy person here. 410 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: You know, you guys will have a great vibe. But 411 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: I just met you. Like that's that's how it goes. 412 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: And so I mean we're playing around a little bit. 413 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's pretty accurate. The other thing is, is 414 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: this a legitimate concern with solid evidence behind it, I 415 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: would pose it. Yeah, I mean it's a tough question 416 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: to really answer, but we do know the government of China, 417 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: and if it wasn't for the situation, Ukraine, Russia would 418 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: probably be in on this too. But the government of 419 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: China is taking this idea, this concern seriously enough that 420 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: they're doing their own work to put robo shuttles and 421 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: reusable space tech in the sky. Just last year, they 422 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: they've launched several unmanned craft unmanned craft, that's that's old beans. 423 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: People have sent stuff to Mars and there wasn't a 424 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: human on it because it's just such a pain in 425 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: the ass to get humans into space. So like every 426 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: people know about that technology, it's not classified. Last year, 427 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: the government of China launched an unmanned craft with supplies 428 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: for their future space station, which has been under it's 429 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: under construction. Now you thought the I S S was 430 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: kind of lame, Well, there's good news for you because 431 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: there's there's gonna be uh, there's gonna be a pepsi 432 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: to this coke in the sky. Yeah. The Shan's shun 433 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: Gong is that how you say that. It's it's translated 434 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: as heavenly place Oh yeah, it's like a space station. Yeah, 435 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can see it. I just think 436 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: about when there are fully automated vehicles roaming around the 437 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: streets in San Francisco and other big cities that can 438 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: deliver pizza. If we're at that level everybody where, it's 439 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: okay for a tech company to have that. Then the 440 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: advance estiments that are occurring that we're just not aware 441 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: of as far as autonomous vehicles go, it's gotta be ridiculous. 442 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no kidding. And that space station. I believe 443 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: ward space stations ultimately is going to be better in 444 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: the long term for the humans. But this one is 445 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: going to be supposedly done by the end of twenty 446 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: twenty two, so about a month from now as we record. Uh, 447 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: Like the X thirty seven B, China is playing a 448 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: lot of its progress close to the chest. August four 449 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: this year, the PRC carried out the second launch of 450 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: their reusable experimental aircraft from what's called the Long March 451 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: to f Rocket. It's serious and it's impressive technology as well. 452 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: But you thought the X thirty seven B was secret. 453 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: There's not even a photograph of of the Chinese version. 454 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: I mentioned it, uh, just in passing when we talked 455 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: about this on straight each News. But you can see 456 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: reports of the launch from state owned news sources like SIMWA, 457 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: But you are never gonna get to see it in person. 458 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: Odds are if you're listening to this show, you're never 459 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: going to get to see it in person unless you 460 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: work in the security services of the Chinese government and 461 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: you're also listening to this podcast as part of your job. See, 462 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: so what does that tell us about the X thirty 463 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: seven B. It's officially recognized by the US government. It's 464 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: the thing that they say, it's okay, oh yeah, no, 465 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: it went up there and we can't tell you what 466 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: it did. But yeah, isn't it cool? What's the stuff 467 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: that they don't acknowledge? What's the stuff that's going up 468 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: there that they haven't mentioned at all? M right? But 469 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: then it might not be insidious. It might just be 470 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: plain old information management, you know, like it the PR 471 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: propaganda game is nasty. Might be something where they're testing 472 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: phase is still so early that they don't want to 473 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: be in the public eye if something goes wrong. Yeah, 474 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Or it could be U A P level stuff. Man, 475 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: it could be very well. The trans medium object right, 476 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: Like they're launching from the ocean and they're doing some 477 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: ninety degree turns. They got a bunch of autonomous vehicles 478 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: that can function in concert with each other or be independent. Cool. Cool, Yes, 479 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: sum me up, I'm down. Uh, I'm all for the progress, 480 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: you know. Uh. Look, so they do report on this 481 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: this meanwhile, which is you know, to every story that 482 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: they published is greenlit by the party. That's just how 483 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: it works. They described the launch, the second launch as this, 484 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: so they said, after a period of InOrbit operation, the 485 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: spacecraft will return to the scheduled landing site in China 486 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: and will test reusable to technologies during its flight, providing 487 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: technological support for the peaceful use of space. That last 488 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: part might be one of the most important things, right, 489 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: because they emphasize this is not meant to be a weapon, 490 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: even while they're openly accusing the US of doing the 491 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: same thing, right when the US doesn't talk as much 492 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: about the peaceful nature of space. There are also no 493 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: images of the Chinese version. There's super high security at 494 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: the launches to keep spies out short but also to 495 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: keep civilians from post like your local space nerds traveling 496 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: to the Gobi desert and posting a launch or a 497 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: picture of it on TikTok or whatever because they think 498 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: it's cool. Uh. But you can so now you have 499 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: to start speculating, start reading almost reading tea leaves. You know, 500 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: you're looking at all these little changes and trying to 501 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: sort of Charlie Days. Some conspiracy dots together, Like we 502 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: know that the launch tower was modified, and this caused 503 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: some experts to say, maybe they are launching something with 504 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: a bigger payload then the rocket the long march usually handles. 505 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: And then someone else comes in and says, you know, 506 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: it could be something with wings, kind of like the 507 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: X thirty seven B because you would have to you 508 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: would have to make those kind of modifications to launch 509 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, which is a lot like a 510 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: bunch of people in a room going I'm just saying 511 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: now I might be wrong, but think about it. Uh. 512 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: And then we know that there another state owned enterprise 513 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: is working on its own space plane. Uh. And they 514 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: talk trash about SpaceX all the time because they're they're 515 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: talking about how they have learned lessons from SpaceX and 516 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: improved their their model. Their designed the ten Young by 517 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: the China Aerospace Science and industry corporation or case it 518 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: uh anyway. But the reason we're saying this is across 519 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: the world, some of the smartest humans on the planet 520 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: are working around the clock to be on the winning 521 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: side of some sort of future that they clearly believe 522 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: is inevitable. And that should give you pause, as they say, 523 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: And speaking of pauses, let's pause for one more word 524 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and then we'll uh, we'll return. Let's 525 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,239 Speaker 1: see if we talk ourselves off the ledge of the 526 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: orbital platform or I don't know, man so crazy and 527 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: we've returned, Ben, we have been going over all kinds 528 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: of theoretical things that the X thirty seven B could 529 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: be doing up there. What do you think, what do 530 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: we think is the most plausible? What where where we at? 531 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Should we should we just go with let's start with 532 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: weaponizing space the except that this thing is providing some 533 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: kind of weapons platform, whether it's um space to ground 534 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: or space to other space floating objects, right, or maybe 535 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: even space to moon. Did you even think about that 536 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: one all too often? Yeah, there are gonna there are 537 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: probably going to be people living on the Moon within 538 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: your lifetime. If you're listening now, in one of those 539 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: giant hollow spaces that they just confirmed a real Yeah yeah, 540 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, what better way to shield oneself from radiation? 541 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: Moon Caves? Moon Caves finally, the newest planned community, the 542 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: hottest thing on Luna. So okay, we know that the 543 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: X thirty seven B definitely has some taste goodies aboard, 544 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: and China might be right that it's paving the way 545 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: to some degree for weaponization of space, But if you 546 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: look at the payload space, it seems odd to think 547 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: they have an active weapon worth taking up the orbit, 548 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, unless unless it's a dummy thing that they 549 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 1: could test. Because again, the part about stealth is you 550 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: don't really want to get caught. And I know a 551 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna say, hey, what about that 552 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: uh nine sixty seven treaty that says, you know, thou 553 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: shalt not weaponize space. It will be for all creatures 554 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: hugs and angel farts or whatever. The problem is that 555 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: that thing, if you actually read it, is incredibly vague. 556 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: What qualifies as a weapon of mass destruction? You know 557 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: what I mean? What qualifies as weaponizing space? Could you 558 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: could you do what so many other nations have done 559 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: and said hey, yes there's nuclear stuff here, but it's 560 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: for peaceful purposes. We're just building, uh you know, we're 561 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: just doing experiments. That's m well, you know, I've been 562 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: I keep thinking about some of the images that I've 563 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: seen online of this thing. Uh, they're there are a 564 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: bunch of shots that you can see declassified stuff or 565 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: stuff that just was never classified in the in the 566 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: first place, images of the actual shuttle. And you can 567 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: see people who I'm presuming or either with Boeing or 568 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: with you know however's running the show right now, and 569 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: they're wearing suits suits that you would see people wearing 570 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 1: around nuclear materials. At least that's what maybe my brain 571 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 1: associates with those kind of hazmat suits. Um, it does. 572 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't help my thoughts that this thing isn't associated 573 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: with nuclear weapons in any way. What do you think? 574 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: What is that? Do you think it's possible that it 575 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: could be that or is there another explanation? Maybe? And 576 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: I really love that set up because I think you 577 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,359 Speaker 1: and I both agree that the more plausible explanation is 578 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: people are trying to protect themselves from a very dangerous 579 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 1: substance called hydra zine, which is not cool. It's insanely 580 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: dangerous to living organisms, and re entry can be messy, 581 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: so they don't know if that junk is going to 582 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: be on the plane. But yeah, I agree with you. 583 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: The optics look super sketch, right when you see the 584 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: people in the hazmat suits. Uh yeah. But an argument 585 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: in favor of this, the US has a super long 586 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: history of brainstorming ways to use space in war. Uh. 587 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: And and the big thing is reaction time. Just like 588 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: how back in the day Domino has made this huge 589 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: deal about how quickly they could get pizza to you. 590 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,240 Speaker 1: The governments of the world stay awake at night thinking 591 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: about response time. Something happens across the Pacific. How quickly 592 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: can you get resources they're right, and manpower whatever something happens, 593 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, like uh, in the South Pole, right, how 594 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: how many things do you have around the South Pole. 595 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: It's just like moving your armies in that board game 596 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: risk in a very real way. This would be a 597 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: game changer because if you have space weapons set up 598 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: in that network you describe matt where you have like 599 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,240 Speaker 1: a several of them in a staggered rotation, different orbits 600 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: they can modify, then your reaction time vastly diminishes. Now 601 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 1: you're just a series of commands away from having retaliation abilities. 602 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: Then is this real in the document you've you've written 603 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: down that Russia envisions the world which the U S 604 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: builds as many as six variants to deploy warheads. I 605 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: want you to know, Ben, I did not read that 606 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: in the outline, and I thought six was the number 607 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,319 Speaker 1: for some reason, And I don't know why. I feel 608 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: like Russia just came up with that number by the 609 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: top of their heads. Like me, it's it's a it's 610 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: a stame of a Russian official who worked who who 611 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: is not. It's not the same thing as the rush 612 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: in government. So maybe it'd be better to say Russian analysts, 613 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: kind of like how he said Chinese military thinkers. But obviously, um, 614 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,320 Speaker 1: Russia and the US have long been in an antagonistic 615 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: relationship and sometimes that led to good things, like innovation 616 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: in the world of space flight, but you know, many 617 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: other times it led to many, many horrible things. So, 618 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, against the propaganda question, we have to take 619 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: this with a grain assault, right, But the possibility, the 620 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,720 Speaker 1: possibilities are there building a net around the world where 621 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: anyone can get touched, and that's a scary thing. Uh, 622 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: and then there's no way around it. You know, multiple 623 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: world governments have been thinking about stuff like this for 624 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: decades and decades and decades, all the way back to 625 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: the early days of the space race. Someone thought about 626 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: this when spot Nick launched, someone had that what if 627 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: moment and ran in and was like, I need the 628 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: following crazy things. And then everybody else in the room 629 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: was also really scared, and then went fine, yes, go 630 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: go before the world is destroyed, and you know, and 631 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: then they came back and they made velcro right they did, 632 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:20,520 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and pens. Uh, guys, listen, we need 633 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 1: you to know. We have to end this episode right now. Uh. 634 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: There's so many other concepts out there. We talked about 635 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,839 Speaker 1: a bunch of these ideas. We want to know what 636 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: you think is the most plausible thing. Is it because 637 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: the US wants to take UH satellites just pull them in? 638 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 1: Is it because they just want a really good space 639 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: by plane or that's out there just roaming space at 640 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: all times? Uh? Do they are they making a tinier 641 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: one that pops out? Remember that theory? Ben, What if 642 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: they've got UH projector technology and they can pull an 643 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: old project blue beam from space what's what if that's 644 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: what X thirty seven is for. What if something gets declassified? 645 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: What if the speculation becomes so um dangerous, right, potentially destabilizing, 646 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: that they come out and say what this thing is 647 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: actually for? You know, what if someone backs up this 648 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: one thing that's slipped out that a lot of people missed. 649 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: A few years ago, the Times managed to get an 650 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: Air Force official to say, okay, the ultimate goal of 651 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: the X thirty seven B is to aid terrestrial war 652 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: fighters in a support role. So someone admitted this is 653 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: tied up with the military in that aspect somehow. I mean, look, 654 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: this is again some of the world's smartest people see 655 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: this as an inevitable future. We haven't talked about the 656 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: problems with the idea of snatching satellites. We haven't really 657 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: talked about the problem of proximity in orbit when it 658 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:55,280 Speaker 1: comes to spying on satellites. But we can say there's 659 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: a lot more to this story. This, this goes deeper 660 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: and deeper. We didn't even talk about the X forty one, 661 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: which is a whole other thing. Right, look to watch 662 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: in your face X dash for one, do it do 663 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: it now, do it now? 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