1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Holly Fry and I'm Tracy Vie Wilson, and 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: we're the co host of Stuff You Missed in History Class. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: We are a history podcast that tries to look at 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: the things that maybe we're overlooked in your history classes, 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: maybe not covered in as much detail, or frankly, maybe 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: covered in a way that was not accurate. New episodes 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: come out every Monday and Wednesday on iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: or anywhere else that podcasts can be listened to. Welcome 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: to Stuff Mom Never Told You. From House Toupports dot com. Hello, 10 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline. 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: And last week Caroline and I were so honored to 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: attend the first ever White House Summit on the United 13 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: State of Women, so we wanted to devote an episode 14 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: to tell y'all all about this mass sive event that 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: we went to. It really was massive, unexpectedly so I 16 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: didn't really know what to expect. Looking at uh their 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: website and all the promotional stuff for the event, I 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: knew it was going to be amazing. I knew there 19 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: were gonna be some incredible women there um covering some 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: very important topics to women today and really to our 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: modern society today. Um, but imagine my surprise when I 22 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: showed up and there were five thousand people there. Yeah. 23 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: So this was organized by the White House Council on 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: Women and Girls, whose whole mission is to quote unquote 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: empower women's voices so that our priorities are considered in 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: every agency and in every one of the administration's policies 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: and programs and pieces of legislation we should support. Which 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: is great. So with the Obama administration on its way out, um, 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: the counsel on Women and Girls invited five thousand women 30 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: and a few men to the Washington, d C. Convention 31 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: Center for this summit that really covered every single women 32 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: in gender relevant issue that you could think of. Yeah, 33 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: it was really heartening to see the degree of intersectionality 34 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: included in this conference. Not only did virtually every person 35 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: on stage recognize the tragedy that had happened in Orlando 36 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: just a few days prior to the summit, but issues 37 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: of race, class, sexual orientation, gender, uh, socioeconomics, all of 38 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: these issues were touched on. Because what I was so 39 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: happy to see was that everyone involved, it seems, recognizes 40 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: that you can't make lasting and significant change without all 41 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: of us coming to other and so that was something 42 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: really beautiful to see at this conference. Also, I might 43 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: have cried when Obama talked. Yeah, President Obama gave one 44 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: of the most inspiring and tear jerking speeches of my 45 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: hands hurt from clapping his presidency. And as soon as 46 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: he left, of course, as as typically happens at mostly 47 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: women conferences, there was a rush for the bathroom and 48 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: standing in line, all of these women from all around 49 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: the country and all different backgrounds and from all different 50 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: types of places, whether it's nonprofits or um corporations, media, etcetera, 51 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: where almost stunned by what had been set in terms 52 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: of seeing the President of the United States delivering such 53 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: a directly feminist and intersectionally feminist talk that didn't feel 54 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: like it was just kind of a boiler plate Yeah, 55 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: women deserve equal rights, but actually digging into the legacy 56 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: of women um in the United States, and like all 57 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: of the activism that has come before us, and we're 58 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: gonna get more into some of the rad stuff that 59 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: Obama said. But Caroline, one thing that I was surprised 60 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: was never mentioned at all at the summit, which was 61 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: hailed as a historic moment was the fact that, yes, 62 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: it was historic, but it's not the first time this 63 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: has happened. Yeah, exactly. There was an important detail left out, 64 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: which is that thousands of again mostly women, have converged 65 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: before on a national scale to discuss pillars, um a 66 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: number of pillars that are important to tackle, including things 67 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: like the gender wage gap, domestic violence, reproductive rights, on 68 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: and on and yeah. I was also surprised that wasn't 69 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: mentioned at all, not even as an inspiration or like, 70 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, in the spirit of the seventies. Here we 71 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: are again today in this giant conference room, because you know, 72 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the White House loves just being all like spirit of 73 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: the seventies. Y'all. Obama is a real groovy dude. He is, well, 74 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: he is. Seriously though, he's a groovy It's true. Um. So, 75 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: for the first half of the podcast, we do want 76 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: to offer that historical context of the nineteen seventy seven 77 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: National Women's Conference, which is at the seminal moment in 78 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: second way feminism that I have a hunch a lot 79 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: of folks aren't aware of. And then the second half 80 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: of the podcast, we're going to turn our focus back 81 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: to the summit that Caroline and I just came back 82 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: from too. Kind of see how that you compare and 83 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: maybe give us a benchmark of where we've come from 84 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: and what progress we've made since then. So let's go 85 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: back in time. Let's their bell bottoms and fringed vests 86 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: and our glorious steinhum Aviator sunglasses. I know I should 87 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: have worn my my flares today, missed opportunity. That's what 88 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: I say every day. But the great thing about podcasting, Caroline, 89 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: is that it's all theater of the mind. That's right. 90 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: You can imagine us in our vests and bell bottoms. Yes, 91 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna like a cool belt to the 92 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: big big belt buckle to. I don't know if that 93 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: was something they did in the seventies, but I'm sure no. 94 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: I know for a fact that people did wear belts. 95 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, excellent, you know everything, Caroline, It is amazing. 96 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: Real side note, speaking of seventies belts, I actually do. 97 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: I also know that people were belts in the seventies 98 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: because I found a belt of my dad's when I 99 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: was a kid from way back in the day that 100 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: had his name in blazoned on it. I know. I'm like, 101 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: I need to get one of those for me my dad. 102 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: I grew up with my dad wearing a very specific 103 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: fancy belt. It was leather and it had things carved 104 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: into it. I don't know what he did with it. 105 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if he had to get rid of it, 106 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: like he had to get rid of his white leisure suit. 107 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Sally r I p also listeners surprised this isn't an 108 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: episode about women's summits, but rather our dad's belts collections. 109 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: So that's that's not strange. Um. Now, before we get 110 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy seven and that National Women's Conference in 111 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: Observance of International Women's Year, which is it's full and 112 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: rather clunky official name, we've got a hot back a 113 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: couple of years to nineteen seventy five, when the United 114 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: Nations get things started by declaring seventy five International Women's Year. 115 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny to me that they were like, yeah, 116 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: seventy five, it's International Women's Year. Oh wait, like gender 117 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: equality is so non existent, let's make it a whole decade. 118 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just easier to ignore when you 119 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: stretch things out like that, like less of a concentrated punch, Oh, well, 120 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: that's a year. That's a very brief time to accomplish things. 121 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: And let's let's stretch it out to a decade. We'll 122 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: just tell them it's an honor of women, but really 123 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: it just means we have to do less and we're 124 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: just going to do a slow fade as we get 125 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: into the eighties for ten years. Yeah, and so in 126 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: seventy five, isn't this the same year? Didn't we talk 127 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: about International Women's Year in our episode on the strike 128 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: in Iceland? Yes, we did, Yeah, and there was it 129 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: might have been in seventy five, or maybe it was 130 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: in seventy nights. Sometime in the middle late seventies. There 131 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: was a similar women's strike in the US as well. 132 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: So ladies were getting fed up with some stuff. So 133 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean studio so to speak, so putting it lightly right. So, 134 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: in nineteen five, as part of International Women's Year, US 135 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: President four Gerald Ford created the National Commission on the 136 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: Observance of International Women's Year. So, you know, not getting 137 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: creative with the title, uh to quote, promote equality between 138 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: men and women. Good on you, Ford, seems seems like 139 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: a basic thing. Yeah, it's good. Why not create a commission? 140 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: Good place to start to promote. Uh now, if we 141 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: then jumped to seven, you know, I can't tell you 142 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: what necessarily happened in those two years, what tangible things 143 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: came out of Ford's commission. But then Jimmy Carter is 144 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: elected ultimate caught a peanut farm from Georgia. Um. Carter 145 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: gets into office and he wants to do another commission 146 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: on women. So he creates a new National Commission on Women, 147 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: and he appoints state Representative Bella Absock, who is a 148 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: Democrat from New York, to co chair this new commission. 149 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: And if you haven't heard of Bella Absick before, she 150 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: is one of the primary leaders of Second Way feminism. 151 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: And she always wore a signature hat and she was 152 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: a real firebrand. So she always looks like she's about 153 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: to go on an exploration, which I appreciate, Yes, yes 154 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: she does. And she made it on the cover of 155 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: Life magazine sometime around then, which you know, it was 156 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: like a close up of her, you know, mid speech, 157 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: looking yes, like she was maybe about to strike out 158 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: on a trail somewhere. Um with her signature I believe 159 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: it was a red hat with Life magazine proclaiming like 160 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Women's equality and feminism. This thing is happening. Um and 161 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: she was like a big deal because she was actually 162 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: in the government, so she had more, you know, leverage 163 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: to try to make some of these changes, these more 164 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: gender equitable changes happen. And in the process of that, 165 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: she successfully sponsored a bill to hold this national women's conference, 166 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: and Congress allocated five million dollars for state and national 167 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: meetings open to women over sixteen. I can't even imagine. 168 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine this gathering happening. I can 169 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: imagine because we literally were just a part of it. 170 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: I can imagine thousands of women and a couple of 171 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: dudes coming together and talking about gender equity and feminism 172 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: and intersectionality. Um. I cannot, However, in today's political climate, 173 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: imagine Congress being like, yeah, here's a couple of mill 174 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: have at it, ladies, figure out this equality thing. Yeah, 175 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,239 Speaker 1: do your thing. Hang out. Well. It was huge news 176 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: because this was the first and only up until this 177 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: White House summer. We just came back from the first 178 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: and only national women's conference sponsored by the federal government. 179 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: All right, and so here's how it went down. Here's 180 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: what happened. It wasn't just like a quick one off, like, 181 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: let's have a meeting and we're going to fix society, 182 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: because obviously Kristen and I still have a podcast where 183 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: we're talking about issues that have not been resolved. So 184 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: between February and July of nineteen seventy seven a very 185 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: groovy time for sure. Between about a hundred and thirty 186 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: and a hundred and fifty thousand women across this fine 187 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: country attended fifties six state meetings to elect National Conference 188 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: delegates and debates sixteen resolutions suggested by the National Commission 189 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: on the Observance of International International Women's ear See. I 190 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: can't even I can't even say. Yeah, it's quite a mouthful, 191 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: so many words. Why don't they have an acronym but 192 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: they probably do. I mean I could make it um. 193 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, they elected just over two thousand delegates. So 194 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: I love the Caroline that there were many conferences leading 195 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: up to this conference, which probably had to do with 196 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: the non existence of websites and Twitter. You gotta get 197 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 1: everybody on board. But also it's during this era to 198 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: the second way of feminism. I mean, we were all 199 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: about meeting in person anyway, no website, no websites. You 200 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: gotta get together and you've got to vote people in. 201 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: And uh, it was noted in one of our sources. 202 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: I think it might have been over at PBS, because 203 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: there's a whole documentary about this called Sisters of Seventies seven, 204 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: and uh it noted that around twenty percent of the 205 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: state elected delegates were not feminists. Yeah, and they were 206 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: mostly from states that would not ratify the r A. Yes, 207 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: so a lot of states in the South, as you 208 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: might imagine. Um, so you have all these mini meetings 209 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: and then the two thousand and five official delegates who 210 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: are chosen. So this national conference a ka Nikola. Sure, yeah, 211 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: was tasked with formulating and passing a national plan of 212 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: action based on state level recommendations. I mean it is 213 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: a very bureaucratic process. Sure, and yet these were still 214 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: only to be suggestions. Of course, these were not official policy, 215 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: as we see again this year with the State of 216 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: Women's Summit and the Council on Women and Girls. These 217 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: are all suggestions. These are not official policies. We would 218 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: love them to be official policies. She says aggressively. Well, 219 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: you know what else was aggressive, Caroline? What the final 220 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: plan that these Sisters of seventies seven came up with um. 221 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: They highlighted twenty six different planks, as they called them, 222 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: centered on right, hold on, here we go, centered on 223 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: get ready for laundry, list, time, arts and humanities, domestic violence, 224 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: or as they called it back in the day, battered women, 225 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: women owned businesses, child abuse, child care, credit, disability education 226 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: entitled nine, getting more women into political office, the Equal 227 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: Rights Amendment, health insurance, more economic security for so called homemakers, 228 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: eliminating insurance, gender bias, including more women in State Department 229 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: and the Department of Defense, better representation in media, more 230 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: rights for women of color, post incarceration, rehabilitation for female prisoners, 231 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: older women, rape because at the time laws did not 232 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: recognize marital rape. I mean this is considered. Consider that 233 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: for a minute. You also have reproductive freedom, attention to 234 00:15:55,560 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: rural women, lesbian rights, a call for federal agency used 235 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: to collect statistics relevant two women. In all of these 236 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: different planks, as well as welfare and poverty. That's a 237 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: lot of planks. You could put a floor down with that, 238 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: or build a ship, but you can build a whole 239 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: whole menstrul hut with all those with all those planks. Wow, 240 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: we could work from home, and our she shed menstreul 241 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Hut with all those planks. I'm sheltering under equality. I 242 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: love it. Caroline. I'm honestly kind of surprised that there 243 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: wasn't some kind of some kind of some some sort 244 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: of feminist edifice built at this event, because it was 245 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: so ceremonial and symbolic, like these sisters of seventy seven 246 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: took this conference so seriously. And I don't mean to 247 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: sound mocking at all. It's just it was just a 248 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: really really big deal. I mean, like a big style 249 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: big deal exactly. That's what I was gonna say. It's 250 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: like the freaking feminist Olympics. Because on September twenty nine, 251 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: seventy seven, they lit a torch at Seneca Falls. And 252 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: Seneca Falls is significant because it was the site of 253 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: America's first women's rights convention back in eighty eight, and 254 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: they ran it relay style all the way to Houston, 255 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: which was where the conference was taking place. Right. They 256 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: didn't just yeah, they were just like we're done, well, 257 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: we're in Houston. Uh well when in Houston, I don't know, 258 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: sit sit on the highway, I guess, um. Yeah, And 259 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: Maya Angelou even wrote a new Declaration of Sentiments to 260 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: accompany this event, and that torch did not just get 261 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: thrown off the side of a highway in Houston, thank goodness. 262 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: It was presented at the conference to first ladies Rosalind Carter, 263 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: Ladybird Johnson, and Betty Ford to officially open the national conference. 264 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: I love that all the first ladies. Yeah, and apparently 265 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: they each got up and spoke about their lives as 266 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: individual women and not solely as the wives of prominent 267 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: politicians as the media usually framed them. Well, I think 268 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: what I love even more thinking about that image of 269 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: all of those first ladies together, those big names in 270 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: the American government, I mean second wave feminism. These women 271 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: were considered so radical, they were considered almost anti American, 272 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: anti family for a lot of the very common sense 273 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: reforms that they were seeking, I mean, the idea of 274 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: making it easier for women to go to work and 275 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: make a paycheck and still have quality childcare. That was 276 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: slammed his anti family. And so to have these first 277 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 1: ladies there in solidarity, I mean, I think that speaks 278 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: volumes well. And as one of the papers I was 279 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: looking at um noted, this was really the first time 280 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: that second wave feminism was put on such a public platform, 281 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: Like a lot of people around the country had never 282 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: seen anything like this before. Um. I mean, and even 283 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: though you did have some anti feminists in the crowd, 284 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: and you you certainly had women like Philish Laughley leading 285 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: the charge outside protesting their Phillists, their quote unquote anti 286 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: family platforms. Um. It was considered a real victory moment 287 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: for a feminist and also to a sign of progress 288 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: for how far they had come in the diversity of 289 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: the crowd and the diversity of the planks, addressing not 290 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: just upper middle class white women's needs, but also recognizing uh, lesbians, 291 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: women of color, women with disabilities, and so forth. Right, 292 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: huge deal because so often when you hear about second 293 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: wave feminism, especially if you're not breaking it down and 294 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: talking about all the nitty gritty stuff in the movement, 295 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: you tip qickly tend to hear it referred to as 296 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: an upper class white women's movement that has left out 297 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: so many people of color, people of different socioeconomics standing. 298 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,640 Speaker 1: So the fact that there were so many different types 299 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: of women at this conference was a huge milestone. Now, Caroline, 300 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: there were five thousand people in that convention center last week. 301 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: Imagine though in nine there were twenty thousand women at 302 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: that conference, Imagine the bathroom lines of that one. Oh wow, 303 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: oh and we should also can we take a quick okay, 304 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: so um, people who follow us on Instagram at stuff 305 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: mom never told you probably already know this, but one 306 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: highlight of the United States Women's Summit was that you 307 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: had the women's restroom and then the other restroom was 308 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: designated all genders, and it was It was fantastic because 309 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: A totally kept the lines manageable. And I intentionally used 310 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: the all genders restroom um both times, just because I 311 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: kind of wanted to see how other women would react 312 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: to using, you know, what would normally be the men's restroom, 313 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: but also react to how um the few men in 314 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 1: at the conference reacted. And the women were like, it 315 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: was like no difference whatsoever. And I caught like the 316 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: terrified bases of a couple of men there who just 317 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: you could tell they just weren't entirely sure if it 318 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: was okay that they were in there too, And of 319 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: course someone were like, no, it's fine, it's all genders, 320 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: no big deal. Yeah, there were baskets of tampons and 321 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: pads on the bathroom counters. Yeah, calling for an end 322 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: to the tampon text and for for free tampons. Well, 323 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: so it's interesting now is so that was all downstairs 324 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: because I also used that bathroom. While I used I 325 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: used all the bathroom, so many bathrooms. Um, but upstairs 326 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: at the conference center, it didn't have one of the 327 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: bathrooms I went to, at least did not of the 328 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: same sign outside that designated women and then all gender. 329 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: And so the women are obviously very good at following 330 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: directions because there was this huge line outside the women's room, 331 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: and of course no line for the men's room. And 332 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: I just I was sitting there because I was waiting 333 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: for you after one of our sessions, and I was 334 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: sitting there watching and I watched the like victorious liberation 335 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: moment as this woman was like, screw this, I'm going 336 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: into the men's room. And there was a male janitor 337 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: standing outside the bathroom and he goes, oh, no, no, 338 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: no no, because I guess he hadn't gotten the memo. 339 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,439 Speaker 1: Uh huh. And she was like she basically did the 340 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: talk to the hand motion and just walked right on 341 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: in there. And he I looked at the guy and 342 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: he he just shrugged and was like, I don't I 343 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: don't know what to do with these women. Man, the 344 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: revolution starts at the toilet, right, So back to nine 345 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: seven though where Who knows what the bathroom situation there was. 346 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: What if there were all gender bathrooms? Probably not. I 347 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: hope they had enough snacks. Oh man, that's a big 348 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: concern for me, snacks. Um. We wanted to note though, 349 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: that some of the organizers of this huge event UM 350 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: include and Richards, who would go on to become the 351 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: governor of Texas, who was a huge feminist UM and 352 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: her daughter, Cecile Richards is the president of Planned Parenthood 353 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: now Gloria Steinem. Of course, Gloria steam was also at 354 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: the White House summit last week, Hispanic civil rights leader 355 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: Carmen Delgada Voutel, and many others. And like the state meetings, 356 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: there were debates over all of these planks and how 357 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: they were going to hash out this final plan, and 358 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: some of the planks were just, you know, unanimously agreed on. 359 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Oh wait, only one was unions. Only one received unanimous support, 360 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: and that was an end to discrimination in consumer credit practices. 361 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: Several others received a majority of support, but that was 362 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: the only unanimously supported ones. But there were others that 363 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: were super hotly debated, and you can probably guess which 364 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: ones they were. Abortion and lesbian rights in particular aroused 365 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: the most debate. UM. But I did notice that domestic 366 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: violence was ended up being one of the most important 367 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: topics that they talked about, So that was probably something 368 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: huge that came out of this conference. Um. And and 369 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: also huge too, even though not everyone agreed on reproductive 370 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: rights and on the recognition of people of different sexual 371 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,479 Speaker 1: orientations of the you know, the LGB community at this time, 372 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: because I don't even think the t was really even 373 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: recognized by this point, um, But it was still a 374 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: major moment of inclusion for women of color in particular. Yeah. 375 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: Jane Hickey, discussing this moment in history in the PBS 376 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: documentary Sisters of seventy seven, said, I don't believe that 377 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: Anglo women had heard directly expressed those sorts of frustrations 378 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: from other women who were Mexican American or Puerto Rican 379 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: American latina's ever before. I mean, like we said, this 380 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: is the this was such an inclusive moment in this 381 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: second way feminist movement. Yeah, and women of color. They're 382 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: criticized the American Women's movement, you know, helmed by a 383 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: lot of upper middle class white women, like say a 384 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: Bitty for Dan for overlooking their interests and intersectionalities. And 385 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: they had a captive audience really for the first time ever. 386 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: Like Hickey said, Um, So this huge conference happens and 387 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: they agree on all of these planks and as a result, 388 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: in ninety eight, President Carter establishes the National Advisory Committee 389 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: for Women based on those conference recommendations, and again Bella 390 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: Abzug is put installed as the chairperson for it. I'm 391 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: glad we're finally getting our names for things to be 392 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: a little shorter, whittling it down so now it's just 393 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: naa naka um. And in also the Senate approved a 394 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: three year extension for the e r A ratification because 395 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: at the time they were still three states short of 396 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: getting it ratified. Unfortunately, the three year extension would not 397 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: be long enough because the r A has still not 398 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: been ratified. But that's for another podcast at another time. 399 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: So the question is, though, did it make a difference, 400 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: did this symbolic mass gathering of women and mostly feminists 401 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: make any kind of impact in Washington and beyond. Can 402 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: we say, is that an answer? Yeah, I think is 403 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: kind of the answer. I think it helped, ibviously get 404 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: the conversation started. I mean, how could it not. You've 405 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: got all of these meetings on the local, state, and 406 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: now national level. So it did for sure open some dialogue. 407 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: But it's not that we got significant lasting policy changes 408 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: out of it across the board. Yeah. I mean you 409 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: also have to remember how few and still but even fewer, 410 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: women were in Congress at the time, and a lot 411 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: of male legislators seemed to approach the conference as like, 412 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: you know what, let's just give him five million dollars, 413 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: let them have their little thing. Um. I forget who 414 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: was saying this, um, but there was the perception by 415 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: some male politicians that it was going to be a 416 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: tea party. Yeah. And I mean, so while it didn't 417 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: have huge policy effect, necessarily necessarily, it did have a 418 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: very beneficial psychic effect, for lack of a better word, 419 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of women involved. Anna Quinlin, who covered 420 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: the conference as it was happening, has looked back and 421 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: said that the meeting did obliterate the two walls that 422 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: have always divided women and made them blame themselves for 423 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: their own lack of status, isolation, and silence. So those 424 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: meetings because again no websites, no website, website none, not 425 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: even geo cities website, not even not even a live 426 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: journal in the house. Um, I mean, we've seen what 427 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: Twitter hashtag activism can do. So just imagine back in 428 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: the day, these women are finally able to really talk 429 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: to each other on this level about these hugely important issues. 430 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: And so of course that's a powerful moment to realize, Okay, 431 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm not alone. Look at how many thousands of other 432 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: women want to talk about this. So while Congress made 433 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: little to no effort to enact any of those twenty 434 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: six action plan points that they hashed out, Gloria Steinem 435 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: and others saw the glass half full. So Steinham once said, 436 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: quote the all too familiar voting and money concentrations in 437 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: this country often allowed the right wing to stop us 438 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: at the government asking Daddy level. But we were and 439 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: still our strengthened enormously the populist global bottom up doing 440 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: it for yourselves level. So it seems like, in a way, 441 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: the outcome of it was not necessarily um and energizing 442 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: from the top down, but rather from the bottom up 443 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 1: at the grassroots level of like, okay, well we're all 444 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: together here, and clearly we're just gonna have to keep 445 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: working for all of these things that need to happen, right. 446 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: And part of why women would still have to band 447 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: together to try to make these changes happen is because 448 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen nine, Carter ends up dismissing Absag from the 449 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: National Advisory Committee on Women NAQUA after she'd repeatedly criticize 450 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: the White House for cutting funding to social programs while 451 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 1: amping up military arry spending. And so basically the straw 452 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back in this situation is that 453 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: this commission then issued a critical press release of the 454 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: White House and their policies. Yeah, so once the press 455 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: release was found out about Carter kicks absuck out um. 456 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: And already the tension had been growing because Bella Abzug 457 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: and her fellow commission members like felt increasingly ignored because 458 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: they were would request meetings with the President and they 459 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: would kind of be put off and put off and 460 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: put off. And after President Carter dismisses Abzug from her position, 461 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: more than half of the remaining committee members resigned in 462 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,959 Speaker 1: protest um. And this whole incident is what Glory Steinham 463 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: nicknamed the Friday Night massacre. Wow, it's an intense nickname. UM. 464 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: But it's notable that after that, the National Advisory Committee 465 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: on Women UM becomes the more reined in sounding President's 466 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: Advisory Committee for Women, so essentially explicitly saying, okay, you're 467 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: the President's Advisory Committee. You are not to act as 468 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: an independent body as absin some of those committee members 469 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: have been before by speaking publicly against the administration while 470 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: simultaneously working for the administration, which isn't exactly what you're 471 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: supposed to do politically. It becomes awkward. Yeah, there's a 472 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: lot of stony silence and some meetings awkward throat clearing 473 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: like this. But I mean that's still good, right, Like 474 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: there's still a President's Advisory Committee. Yeah, yeah, I mean 475 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: I think that President Carter was probably very key, you know, 476 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: committed to women's rights, pro gender equality. He even recently, 477 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, came out with a book all about how 478 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: UM gender equality and developing nations is like the key 479 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: to peace. But of course the nine eighty Reagan is elected, 480 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: so dot dot dot dot. It seems like in only 481 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: three short years, the sisters of seventy seven are almost 482 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: swept aside um and I and I would like to 483 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: leave us at this point, though, with the lasting image 484 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: from the Houston conference where it reminds me Caroline of 485 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: Beyonce's MTV Music Awards performance from a couple of years ago, 486 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: where she had feminists in the background. They're sitting all 487 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: these women, twenty women are in this like huge convention hall, 488 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: and up on the stage they have women in huge 489 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: letters across the curtain and then like the female symbol 490 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: on either side of it, um and in in in 491 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: a way that that looks so full of hope and promise. 492 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean is in it? I'm I'm 493 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: squinting at it right now, isn't it the venus symbol 494 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: embedded in a dove? Is that a dove? Like, oh, 495 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: you're right, it is a dove. I didn't even notice. Yeah, man, 496 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: that's some excellent branding. More symbolism, symbolism on top of symbolism. 497 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: But here it is woman. She is having her moment 498 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: um and it kind of came and went, but those 499 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: issues remained, you know, the activism around all of those 500 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: twenty six planks certainly remained, and when we come right 501 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: back from a quick break, we want to look at 502 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: some similar themes that came up just last week. 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And now back to the show, all right, 533 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: So before we dive into even more juicy gossip, not 534 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: juicy gossip, just stories and like fangirling out over the president. 535 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: So before we dive into like how much we loved 536 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: attending that summit last week, we've got to go back 537 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: to two thousand nine because it was in March two 538 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: thousand nine that the President of the United States signed 539 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 1: the Executive Order for the creation of the White House 540 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 1: Council on Women and Girls. Because Obama has consistently been 541 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: a huge supporter of advancing the rights and equality of 542 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: women and girls, and that executive order from two thousand 543 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: nine highlighted issues related to the wage gap, stem participation, 544 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: health insurance, violence against women, education, and family leaves. So 545 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: really we're still hearing echoes of the nineteen seventies. And 546 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: he put Valerie chair It in place as chair and 547 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: Tina Chen as the executive director. And these two women 548 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: who we heard speak uh this past week, are are fabulous. 549 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: They are amazing at championing the causes of this council well. 550 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: And one thing that's that is a major contrast to 551 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: seventy seven is how Valerie Jarrett is senior advisor to 552 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: the President, so she is incredibly powerful in the White House. Um, 553 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 1: and of course, she, like you said, is the chair 554 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: of this Council on Women and Girls. And the fact 555 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: that this is coming more from a top down, uh 556 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: flow of power rather than women in their individual states 557 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: getting together to hash things out and then building it 558 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: up and trying to present it to the government to 559 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: Congress to try to enact some legislation is a sign 560 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: of progress, I would absolutely argue. And also the fact 561 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: that In that two thousand nine executive order, it emphasized 562 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: the need to essentially pay attention to intersectionality, taking into 563 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: account concerns of women and girls, including it specifies women 564 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 1: of color and those with disabilities. Although you have kind 565 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: of a caveat that the functions of this council are 566 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 1: advisory only, regardless, I think it's clear from attending that 567 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: conference though, the summit, that everyone in this administration, granted 568 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: they're on their way out, but is on board with 569 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: this idea. It's not like they're just paying massively expensive 570 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: lip service by holding this massive summit. I mean, these 571 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: are these are Paul Or These are ideas that the 572 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: President and Vice President and First Lady definitely stand behind well. 573 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: And and to like, speaking of the first Lady standing 574 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: behind it, you in n you know, you have the 575 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: appearance of those three first ladies. UM. Whereas at this 576 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: summit last week, Flotas was there, Sheelle Obama being hilarious, fabulous, wise, 577 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: et cetera, as per as per usual. UM. But you 578 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: also have Vice President Joe Biden, who kicked off the 579 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: morning speaking very passionately about violence against women, UM and 580 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: UH speaking out against sexual assault, especially sexual assault on 581 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: college campuses, you have the president appearing, and in that way, 582 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: it seems like there is UM a clear emphasis on 583 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: how gender equality is not just a woman's issue, correct, Yeah, totally, absolutely, 584 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: a massive focus on how changes to these issues would 585 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: not just help and support women, that they would help 586 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: and support all of us, because family leave is not 587 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: just a woman issue. It's not just a mom issue. 588 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: It's a family issue. And and so is violence, equality, pay. 589 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: All of these things tie into making our society better, 590 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: not just a woman's life better. Yeah, I mean, but 591 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: there are still so many echoes of seventy seven. If 592 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: you look at the pillars that the White House Summit 593 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: on the United States of Women emphasized, which were violence 594 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: against women, health and wellness, economic empowerment, entrepreneurship and innovation, education, 595 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,479 Speaker 1: civic engagement, and leadership. And we should say that under 596 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: each of those pillars there were so so many, you know, 597 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: individual topics that were spoken about, so many different UM 598 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: organizations UH and NGOs from around the world in the 599 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: United States that were showcased and championed UM. But still 600 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: we see the recurrent these recurrent issues of Still we 601 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 1: have issues of girls access to education, especially in developing nations. Still, 602 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: obviously we have issues with reproductive rights, even here in 603 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: our own backyards. We have issues with you know, sexist 604 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: barriers to entrepreneurship, the gender wage gap, and on and 605 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: on and on. So this summit, as they noted, was 606 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: a moment to celebrate progress, but also to remind us 607 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: of all the work that we have to continue doing 608 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: into the future. Yeah, and I mean, I, for one, 609 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 1: was uh so glad to hear Joe Biden speaking on 610 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: violence against women, especially especi actually after the role he 611 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: played in the Anita Hill situation with Clarence Thomas that 612 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: we covered in our Anita Hill watched it, Yeah, how 613 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: he botched it? And so I mean that that warms 614 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: my cold dead heart that people can change, and that 615 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: he can then passionately speak on the topic and encourage 616 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: others to follow suit. Yeah, I mean, like, and I 617 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: agree that it is great to hear the vice presidents 618 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,879 Speaker 1: saying all those things. But I was sitting there wanting 619 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: to yell out so badly what about Anita Hill. Oh sure, 620 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,479 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking the whole time, because people 621 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: can change, But it would be, oh how incredible it 622 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: would be if if it weren't such political suicide to 623 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: take responsibility for things in that realm that you speak 624 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: so passionately about, like you know, a sexual harassment, sexual violence, 625 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: to take responsibility for when you messed up? Can you 626 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: imagine if he had said, like I mean, that would 627 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: have brought my cold, dead heart entirely back to life. 628 00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: If he had said, you know, I realized that I 629 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: aid this role in this situation and that I messed 630 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: it up, and I should have done this and this, 631 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry. And what an opportunity to do it, 632 00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: because yes, you're in front of five thousand women, but 633 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: also Carrie Washington, star of you know, the Confirmation biopic 634 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,240 Speaker 1: um on HBO that she I think executive produced as well, 635 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,840 Speaker 1: was also in attendance and looking ps hashtag flawless so good, 636 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Kristen and I, uh it was, and we 637 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: were blocked. We couldn't get to her. We wanted to 638 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: interview her guys like creepy you know, like uh, stealthy 639 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: photos of her on my phone because and I know 640 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: this might sound weird, Caroline, but rarely am I in 641 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: such close proximity to such stunning beauty. And I didn't 642 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,799 Speaker 1: realize she was in this small press room that we 643 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: were in when we when we first walked in and 644 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: I turned around, and as a fan of Scandal who 645 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 1: has a major lady crush on Olivia Pope, like did 646 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: a double take and just lost all of my words 647 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: and started kind of flailing my hands a little bit 648 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: until I realized like where I was and that I 649 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 1: needed to chill out. Yeah, and then to look over 650 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,879 Speaker 1: and see Carrie Washington in deep conversation with Billy Jane King. 651 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: It was like, can I just, oh God, can I 652 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: just be one of Billy Jane King's sneakers so that 653 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: I can have access to this conversation. Uh, but you know, 654 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean I'm not I'm not creepy or anything. Um, 655 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,920 Speaker 1: but yeah, I was fabulous. So were there any sessions 656 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: or speakers that especially made an impression on you? Yeah? Um. MIKHAELA. Olmer, 657 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: who's the eleven year old founder and CEO of Me 658 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 1: and the Bees Lemonade, which you can get at fine 659 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: grocery stores near you. Uh, was fabulous. Um. I what 660 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: was I doing at eleven? I mean, nothing impressive really, 661 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,240 Speaker 1: probably trying to draw in the lines of my coloring books. 662 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: But MICHAELA. Is heading up her own company, not only 663 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: because you know, she wants to make really delicious lemonade 664 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: and wants to be a you know, a badass entrepreneur kid, 665 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: a kid entrepreneur, but she wants to do it to 666 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 1: save the bees. She was stung by two bees in 667 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,239 Speaker 1: a week and was like, screw the bees. I hate 668 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: them and I'm scared of them. And then she realized 669 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 1: she learned about what was happening in our world because 670 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: the bees are dying, the colony collapse disorder, and she 671 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: was like, I can do something this this kid, I 672 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: mean And this all started when she was much younger, 673 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,760 Speaker 1: like four or five. But anyway, she was in diapers. 674 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: She yes, she was in utero, and she's like, Mom, 675 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: we've got to do something. I'm getting stung by all 676 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: these bees in here. Why are there so many bees 677 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: in your uterus um? I think that is a hysterical 678 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,799 Speaker 1: uterus um. But this is a there's a transition here 679 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: because I loved hearing from Michaela as a young entrepreneur 680 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: who's so driven and level headed and clearly just amazing 681 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: and comfortable speaking in front of five thousand people. But 682 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: Michaela introduced the president of the United States when he 683 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,399 Speaker 1: got up and spoke, and I you know, I I 684 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,760 Speaker 1: did not expect to go to this conference, the summit 685 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: and say that the president was my favorite speech was 686 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,760 Speaker 1: my favorite segment because there were so many amazing women 687 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: and amazing things being discussed, and important topics being discussed. 688 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: But for our countries, and I mean I talked about 689 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: this on social media because it was so overwhelming. But 690 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: for our country's first black president to get up on 691 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: stage and proudly shout the names of so many important 692 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: women in our country's history who have shaped this country 693 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 1: and shaped it for the better, I mean my mind 694 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: was blown with the awesomeness. I mean he even gave 695 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: a shout out to Polly Murray and Ruth Bader Ginsburg 696 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: in the same breath. And I mean I gave a 697 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: hoot from the back when he when he said Polly 698 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,760 Speaker 1: Murray's name. By the time he got to Rosa Parks, 699 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: I was crying. I was crying. It was amazing. And 700 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 1: he didn't just mention Rosa Parks like one thing about 701 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: yeah the speech, he wasn't just name checking. He was 702 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: also contextualizing. So he described Rosa Parks as a quote 703 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: civil rights leader with the eye of a strategist in 704 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: the heart of a warrior, which is like, yes, she 705 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: absolutely was, because a lot of times Rosa Parks is 706 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: condensed just down to a tired woman who just wants 707 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: to take a seat on the bus, when in fact 708 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 1: she had been working for the Double A CP for years. Um. 709 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 1: And at the end when he quoted Audrey Lord saying 710 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: that this is a story we're gonna keep telling to 711 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 1: our girls so that they'll see that they too are 712 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: America confident and courageous and in the words of Audrey Lord, 713 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: deliberate and afraid of nothing. Fist pumping man. And yeah, 714 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: does see your president quoting Audrey Lord. And then also 715 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: before that, um, quoting Shirley Chisholm. Um was even though 716 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,520 Speaker 1: I realized that we we walked out of the convention 717 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: back into quote unquote reality, and um, a very fraught 718 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:25,880 Speaker 1: time politically, it was a nice moment to have. Yeah, yeah, 719 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: and um he also said, and Kristen posted this on 720 00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: our Instagram. Uh, and I don't remember he posted to 721 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,319 Speaker 1: our Facebook or not, but he definitely said this is 722 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: what a feminist looks like. Yeah, that's how he kicked 723 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 1: off and like, obviously I'm too old to have ever 724 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,919 Speaker 1: seen the Beatles, but the reaction of five two oh, 725 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: thank you, I am much too old to have seen 726 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: those quote unquote mop tops um if it really, I 727 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: felt like it was the closest I'd ever been to 728 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: a Beatles concert because these women were listen it all 729 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,759 Speaker 1: different kinds of women, all different kinds of women and 730 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 1: men just losing it um and two D the day 731 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: seeing Oprah interview Michelle Obama was uh, kind of unreal. 732 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: But what I love is that Oprah, who is self 733 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: aware and hilarious, definitely did her Oprah voice in introducing 734 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama. So unfortunately all of us did not get cars. No, 735 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: but I definitely steel clapped with excitement because they are 736 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,200 Speaker 1: amazing women and the fact that I watched them in 737 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: the same room speak to each other was incredible. And uh, 738 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 1: they have plans to go shopping, So that's another time 739 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,240 Speaker 1: I wish I were someone sneaker and I could accompany 740 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 1: them on their on their adventures. Well, of course, seeing 741 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: celebs like Oprah, Uh one of another one of my 742 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: lady crushes, Connie Britton, Morriska Hargete and others on stage 743 00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: was very exciting on on multiple levels. A of course, 744 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: to see celebrities, but also to see celebrities championing causes 745 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,879 Speaker 1: that we talked about on stuff but I've never told 746 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: you all the time. For instance, Riska harget a Um 747 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: is very vocal against domestic violence. Connie Britton was introducing 748 00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: Cecil Richards, you know, Planned Parenthood President Um. But that 749 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: morning it was Jaha Decoy, who's the founder of Safe 750 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: Hands for Girls, who left the biggest impression on me 751 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: because she started the first youth led movement against female 752 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: genital mutilation in Gambia. And not only did she speak 753 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:57,160 Speaker 1: openly about the female genital mutilation that she experienced when 754 00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: she was very, very young, but of course she also 755 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 1: spoke out against it and talked about I think she said, 756 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: just like Beyonce, she's going to keep making lemonade out 757 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: of her lemons, and she has devoted her life to 758 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: ending this practice. And that's the kind of stuff that 759 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,240 Speaker 1: inspires me so much, because it's like, yeah, Connie Britton, 760 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,359 Speaker 1: I love your hair and you're beautiful. But to hear 761 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,839 Speaker 1: a woman who had probably very little resources to start 762 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,440 Speaker 1: out with, who is now on stage selected by the 763 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: White House to speak before all of these women about 764 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:40,399 Speaker 1: this incredibly important work that she's doing that probably makes 765 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people uncomfortable to hear about because it 766 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,120 Speaker 1: is such a specific and graphic form of violence against women. Um. 767 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: I was inspired and also just happy to see that 768 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 1: that was part of the conversation that day, that it 769 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: wasn't just fluff of like a celebrity bringing out, you know, 770 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: a feel good message education for girls, Like, of course 771 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: we need education for girls, but there are like real 772 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: hard issues that we need to confront, not just in 773 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: the US but around the world. Yeah. I thought that 774 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 1: was such a strong point of the summit and that 775 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, they had these big speakers come out, you know, 776 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden spoke for an hour, but then after each 777 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,400 Speaker 1: big quote unquote speaker, they did bring out a handful 778 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 1: of on the ground activists who have been fighting for 779 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,399 Speaker 1: these causes as part of their life's work. And so I, yeah, 780 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: I was also absolutely inspired by Dirck Ray, who leads 781 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: the Safe Hands for Girls movement, which is there to 782 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: fight female general mutilation but also to support survivors. And 783 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: speaking of survivors, you had survivors of sexual assault, of 784 00:51:54,680 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: transgender discrimination, of racism, of all of these different issues 785 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: coming up to champion causes, but also openly share about 786 00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: the discrimination and sometimes outright violence that they faced. Yeah, 787 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 1: and some people that we heard from UH, from the 788 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 1: It's on Us campaign, which is to end campus sexual 789 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: assault and violence. UM encouraged the audience to take the 790 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: pledge on their website to commit to keeping both women 791 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: and men safe and not just be a bystander who 792 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,360 Speaker 1: ignores the very real problem of sexual assault and violence 793 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,360 Speaker 1: on campuses, which of course is a huge issue that 794 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: people are talking about more and more now. And so 795 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: it was people like this who were really working to 796 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: bring visibility to these issues and not just have it, 797 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: like you said, be a feel good, fluffy celebrity conference, 798 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,719 Speaker 1: but have it encourage and inspire people to take real 799 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: action outside once they left. And that's the question though, 800 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: like will we will this inspire real world action? UM? 801 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:11,239 Speaker 1: Will it have maybe a more significant political impact than 802 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: that ninete still significant UM National Women's Conference, Because these 803 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: kinds of events that you and I get to go 804 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 1: to sometimes are very inspiring when you are there in 805 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,400 Speaker 1: the room and you are surrounded by all of these people, 806 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: but then you kind of pull back a little bit 807 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 1: and you see like, oh, there are a lot of 808 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: like corporate entities here. Oh, there are a lot of 809 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 1: celebrities here. Oh there are a lot of not necessarily 810 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: in this case, um, but in other cases like oh 811 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,960 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of just like swag here, Like 812 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,840 Speaker 1: what are what is all of this really amounting to? 813 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that it's it's a nice moment 814 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,520 Speaker 1: for the Obama administration and particularly that White House Counsel 815 00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,200 Speaker 1: and women, Women and Girls, which who knows if it 816 00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: will be around with the next administration for them to 817 00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of pass along that torch, so to speak. Um, 818 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 1: but I but I do want The skeptical side of 819 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: me wonders like is it going to make a difference? 820 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: But while the cynical side of me questions whether it 821 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: will make any tangible difference in the lives, particularly of 822 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: marginalized communities that need these resources and these rights, um 823 00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: the most, the optimistic side of me says, the fact 824 00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,480 Speaker 1: that very that it even happened, and how it happened, 825 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 1: and that there were so many celebrities on hand to 826 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,760 Speaker 1: openly talk about feminism and gender equality is a sign 827 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: that we have moved the needle since nineteen seven that 828 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: this isn't just you know, some niche topic that we 829 00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 1: recognize that women's rights are human rights. Yeah, and you 830 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that the difference between this summit and the 831 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,320 Speaker 1: one in the seventies was that this was more of 832 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: a top down mandate of the White House saying, let's 833 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 1: make a change, let's bring all these people together. And 834 00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 1: the more I thought about it over the course of 835 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,840 Speaker 1: our conversation, the more I have to say, I'm not 836 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: sure that's entirely accurate. I think it's right, but I 837 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: think what it is is that the White House, the 838 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: the administration is recognizing everyone who is at the bottom 839 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: working up, and so it's almost more like a meeting 840 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,680 Speaker 1: in the middle that we're finally and I'm hoping that 841 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 1: we can have some magical chemical reaction that happens when 842 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 1: moving from the top down and moving from the bottom 843 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,840 Speaker 1: up when they finally meet. Because we do, it feels 844 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: like we're having this groundswell of of um awareness about 845 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: activism and about issues that that impact women and society, 846 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,279 Speaker 1: including men and children as well. UM. But these people 847 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,120 Speaker 1: have always been there, These activists have always been working 848 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,640 Speaker 1: and pushing and struggling to get new laws passed to 849 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: end violence and etcetera, etcetera. And so I think it's 850 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 1: it's not so much from the bottom up or the 851 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 1: top down, but a finally finally coming together. Yeah, and 852 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm like forty five minutes late to note this. You're 853 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,440 Speaker 1: absolutely right, because most of those five thousand people in 854 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: the audience were women from around the country who were 855 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,479 Speaker 1: nominated by their communities but also identified by the White 856 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 1: House as being change agents for women and girls in 857 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,319 Speaker 1: particular in their hometown. And do you know who one 858 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: of those women was who was not able to attend 859 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,200 Speaker 1: Our very own Raquel Willis, who was has appeared on 860 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: a couple of our Sminty episodes now talking about trans 861 00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: rights and visibility and media. And she was nominated to 862 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 1: attend and couldn't go. And so I mean, there you go. 863 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 1: That's a wonderful illustration of just a glimpse into who 864 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 1: was in that audience that day. It's people like Riquel 865 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: who really fight for rights of people on the ground 866 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,480 Speaker 1: every day. She's pushing for change. And so to imagine 867 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: kind of gives you chills to think about five thousand 868 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,480 Speaker 1: Raquels and and five thousand people who are really working 869 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,760 Speaker 1: to to save lives and change the world. So it's 870 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 1: a reminder then to look around our communities of the 871 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: people who are doing the work, because they are there, 872 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,560 Speaker 1: and if they're not there, you can become a change 873 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,560 Speaker 1: change it. And also it underscores the importance of political 874 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: participation because if you want people who will continue this 875 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,040 Speaker 1: kind of work in the federal government, your got a 876 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: vote him in. Yeah, and and call and be obnoxious 877 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: to your congress people. Can you text them? I would 878 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 1: vote to just vote. I would vote that you obsessively 879 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: call let them hear your voice. No text messages can 880 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:23,040 Speaker 1: get north. I can be very persistent with my emogis UM. 881 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,400 Speaker 1: But listeners, UM, this was really great to be able 882 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,000 Speaker 1: to share this with you, and we're curious if anyone 883 00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: listening was also there. UM. There's all sorts of media 884 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 1: coverage about more specifics of the summit um which we 885 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: will post in the podcast UM linked to this if 886 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,480 Speaker 1: you want to read more about it. But we just 887 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,440 Speaker 1: love to know your thoughts. What do you think the 888 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: United States of Women is today? Moms Stuff at how 889 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,360 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot Com is our email address. You can 890 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 1: also tweet us at Mom's Stuff podcast or messages on Facebook, 891 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: and we've got a couple of messages this year with 892 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:05,280 Speaker 1: you right out. Well, I have a letter here from 893 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:10,640 Speaker 1: Emily in response to our rom com Sidekicks episode. She says, Hey, ladies, 894 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: I love your series on rom coms, but I've noticed 895 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: that you haven't mentioned any musical so far. There's so 896 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: many musicals that are simply rom coms with song and 897 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: dance numbers. Mama Mia, Hair Spray and Greece first come 898 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: to mind. I thought of this when listening to your 899 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,000 Speaker 1: podcast on rom com Besties, when you were talking about 900 00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 1: second bananas. The first example to pop into my head 901 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 1: was from Singing in the Rain. In the film, Donald 902 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: O'Connor plays Cosmo Brown, who was second banana to main 903 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,120 Speaker 1: man Don Lockwood, played by Gene Kelly. All of his 904 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 1: songs are comedic and energetic, such as make Him Laugh 905 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: while gene Kelly sings all the crooning Lovey Debbie songs 906 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,400 Speaker 1: like Singing in the Rain. Also, when you mentioned the 907 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,080 Speaker 1: second banana maybe more effeminate or sexually ambiguous, I realized 908 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: that all of the songs Donald O'Connor sings sounds similar 909 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: to some of the songs the main lady, Debbie Rental sings. 910 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 1: She does get a few lovey Debbie songs since she 911 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: is the main love interest, but she also sings bubblier 912 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,520 Speaker 1: songs like good Morning. While they're not comedy pieces, they 913 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,960 Speaker 1: are lighter songs used to fluff out the movie much 914 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: like make them laugh. It's interesting to me that even 915 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: the Second Banana songs are effeminate as well. So thank you, Emily. 916 01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,600 Speaker 1: So I've got a letter here from Liz about our 917 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,240 Speaker 1: Sidekicks rom Calm episode, and she writes, I was amazed 918 01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,600 Speaker 1: that you guys skipped over. She's all that seventeen years 919 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: later and that film is still an absolute delight with 920 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,840 Speaker 1: some choice sidekicks. We've got Paul Walker as the sexy 921 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:42,080 Speaker 1: scumbag second Banana dual Hill, Little Kim, Gabrielle Union and 922 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Usher as the somewhat token Black brons, who have Anna 923 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Paquin and Karen Coulkin as the sibling sidekicks, and one 924 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,680 Speaker 1: of the Bash brothers from The Mighty Ducks is a 925 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,800 Speaker 1: holy non sexual man friend. The only thing She's All 926 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,400 Speaker 1: That is missing is Judy Greer as a clumsy yet 927 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,959 Speaker 1: relatable teacher. But my personal favorite sidekick is Gabrielle Union 928 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,680 Speaker 1: and ten Things I Hate about You. Her transition for 929 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,000 Speaker 1: vapid pretty friend to snide kick is cinematic genius, the 930 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,640 Speaker 1: likes of which my nine year old self had never seen, 931 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,720 Speaker 1: and she quotes Gabrielle Union's characters saying, I know you 932 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,600 Speaker 1: can be overwhelmed, and you can be underwhelmed, but can 933 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,919 Speaker 1: you ever just be whelmed? I actually a side note, 934 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,920 Speaker 1: I think about that all the time. It's a great quote, 935 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,960 Speaker 1: even though I can't help but give Chastity the begrudging 936 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,760 Speaker 1: respect she deserves for being the only other freshman who've 937 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,400 Speaker 1: got invited to prom. So thanks Liz, and thanks to 938 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: everybody who's written into us. Mom Stuff and how stuff 939 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,760 Speaker 1: Works dot com is our email address and for links 940 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 1: to all of our social media as well as all 941 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: of our blogs, videos, and sources. So you can learn 942 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,760 Speaker 1: more about the United State of Women and those sisters 943 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,520 Speaker 1: of seven two seven. Head on over to stuff Mom 944 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:57,680 Speaker 1: Never Told You dot com for moralns and thousands of 945 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: other topics. Is it how stuff Works dot com. Three