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Speaker 2: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney.

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Speaker 2: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father,

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Speaker 2: That's just us, you and me deciding hey, I can help.

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Speaker 2: That's what Jamie heard the voice you just heard has done.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to meet, Jamie. Right after

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Speaker 2: these brief messages from our general sponsors, Jamie heard from Nashville,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, not much. I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for driving down. Do people in Nashville get nosebleeds

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Speaker 1: This is about my third time doing that, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to Memphis. A lot of folks in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you everybody.

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Speaker 2: Jamie is the co founder and executive director of Faithfully

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Speaker 2: Restored in Brentwood, not really Nashville, but is Nashville for

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Speaker 2: and all the amazing work you're doing a little bit

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Speaker 1: All Right, I am from a small town or north

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Speaker 1: Luckily, I had great friends. We started going to a

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Speaker 1: And I probably if I wouldn't have gotten married and

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Speaker 2: about how you came up.

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00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: So and I will say when after that happened, I

436
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: flew to Knoxville my mom. When I was a senior

437
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: in college, she moved down from my hometown to Knoxville.

438
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: And after my dad died, I flew to Knoxville for

439
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: a little bit, and my counselor was. He had also

440
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: said in some of those sessions, like I really think

441
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: you need to repair the relationship with your mom, and

442
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really here to talk about my dad.

443
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: Everything with my mom is fine. We've never argued.

444
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: Actually, you're really there to talk about you. But you

445
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: probably didn't understand that.

446
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: Ye oh no, no I didn't. Yeah I didn't at all.

447
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: But I went to my mom and I said, you know,

448
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: I never really ask about the divorce. I never really

449
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: you know, asked questions. And she got tears in her

450
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: eyes and she said, Jamie, she said, I have been

451
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: praying for this day since the day I left. She said,

452
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: I never would have left having thought that your dad

453
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: was going to try to keep you. And so we

454
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: just have this incredible heart to heart and I get

455
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: to hear her side of it all, and it's been

456
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: so sweet. Ever since we have such a close relationship.

457
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 1: She does all of our finances for Faithful Restored. She

458
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville when we had our first child, and

459
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: that alone has been such a story of restoration in

460
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: an area of my life that I didn't even know needed.

461
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: It could do amazing things. Okay, so here you are

462
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: in Nashville. Married, got your dream job. You're teaching what grade?

463
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Second?

464
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: Second grade? A bunch of cute little Yeah right, if

465
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't for the parents, it would be a great job.

466
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: So I had good parents. Yeah really, yeah, yeah.

467
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: Not every teacher can say that now, but anyway, you

468
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: got it. And then you and Daniel get pregnant. Tell

469
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: me about that.

470
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: We have our first child, Madeline, Precious, you know, little perfect,

471
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: little girl. Two years later we have a little son,

472
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: William and Precious perfect, and we are set. We have

473
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: a boy and a girl, and we're like, Okay, I

474
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: think we're done having kids.

475
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you are, leave it to beaver happy.

476
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: We are yep, just everything.

477
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: What does your husband do. He's an attorney.

478
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: He's a title attorney, so he runs a title escer business.

479
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's doing his attorney thing. You're doing the

480
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: teacher thing. You got the two kids, you start in

481
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: your life, kind of reconciled with your mom a little bit.

482
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: My mom when we had Madeline, when I went back,

483
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: I got to take off six months with each child.

484
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: It was amazing. And when I went back to work,

485
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: she would keep our kids one night a week and

486
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: all the.

487
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: Next day, and so you had date night.

488
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: We had date night. I mean, everyone's like, what did

489
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: you do with that night? It flies?

490
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

491
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: It wasn't some extravagant weekly date night. It did matter,

492
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: but exactly it was fantastic.

493
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: Had four and four years. Yeah, that's a lot, that's

494
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: a bunch. So those date nights were they were restorative

495
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: in their own right.

496
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, right.

497
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: So everything seems great, Everything is great, and you just

498
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: alluded to upcoming tragedy.

499
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: We even we were coming back from Knoxville. We did

500
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: a weekend with Daniel's law school buddies from the Bible study,

501
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: and I remember driving back in the car and they

502
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: wake up early the last day and just like, how

503
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: can I pray for you and stuff? And that was

504
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: November and we were just talking like we twenty fifteen,

505
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and we're like, man, everything is just going really well.

506
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: And that was late November, and then it's kind of.

507
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Like everything leading up to your dad killing.

508
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: Himself right exactly exactly call before the storm, which I

509
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't even realize. And middle of December. I go to

510
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: work one morning, Daniel goes to work, and we have

511
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: a nanny at our house. Nanny shared with our best friends.

512
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: So they had a little boy, Jack that was the

513
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: same age as William, and so we would have her

514
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: come to our house stay with our kids, she'd take

515
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: him out. It was it was glorious. And so I

516
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: get a call at work that William had choked and

517
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: he was not breathing. And I always say I got

518
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: a call, but actually didn't get a call. That's a lie.

519
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: Two coworkers came to my door. I don't know why.

520
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: In my own story I say I got a call.

521
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

522
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: But anyway, trauma has weird ways of.

523
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Manifesting gets I often say that, like I got a call.

524
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: I even wrote it in a story that is published

525
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: in a book, and I'm like, reading this, I'm like,

526
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: that's not even what happened.

527
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, But anyway, it's trauma does very weird

528
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: things to how you cope with and remember things.

529
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: True. It just does.

530
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: It's not really a lie, I know, well it is.

531
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: It's in inaccuracy, okay, but it's not a lie because

532
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: you bill, But it's true. Yes, it's not a lie

533
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: because somehow, when we deal with trauma, our brains wire

534
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: certain things to try to help shield us from the pain,

535
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: and it manifests itself in inaccurate memories.

536
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: And you know what I think that comes from is

537
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: when Madeline was eighteen months old, I got a same

538
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: classroom everything, A couple of years before this happened. I

539
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: got a call in my classroom and said Madeline had

540
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: a seizure and being transferred to Vanderbilt.

541
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: That was your first trauma.

542
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: That was my first trauma. So I think whenever I

543
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: recall that that Honestly, I think that's why I say

544
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: that because I had had basically the same almost to

545
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: the day, would have been a couple years prior. I

546
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: got a call and said something happened with Madeline and

547
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: she's being transferred to vander Well, that's all. Yeah, So

548
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 1: two people come to your room, two people come to

549
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: my room and say, William's choked. He's not breathing.

550
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: They say that, yes, Oh gosh, I.

551
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: Mean, what's What's What else do you say?

552
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just thinking about what your reaction

553
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: to that is in front of a bunch of second griders.

554
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I mean, my story walking through

555
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: all this, there are so many gifts that the Lord's like,

556
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: I've got you his hand is in all over this.

557
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: And one of those things was my class was at

558
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: a recess and I was going to we had a

559
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: party that night. Our friends had a Christmas party and

560
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: Daniel was supposed to dress up, and of course he

561
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: didn't have a costume, So like, I'm going to go

562
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: get him a costume. So I'm like, hey, can you

563
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: watch my classes? It's Santa No, it's it was a twenties.

564
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: It was a themed I had.

565
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: They had Chris Skringle in the twenties.

566
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: He's like this fit. Yeah, he had he had to

567
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: be like, you know some I don't even know what

568
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: I was going to get. Yeah, but anyway, so I'm

569
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: going to try to find a gangster outfit. And I

570
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: was back in my classroom by myself, and they found me,

571
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: and so I instantly grabbed my keys and left.

572
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you, does choked.

573
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: To not breathing register with you yet or is it?

574
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: I need to get to my son because they're taking

575
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: care of him. He's probably scared.

576
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: This this is crazy. But that morning I woke up

577
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: early and I was like behind on a Bible study

578
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: that was going to do. It was like I should

579
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: get out of bed we had at our work Christmas

580
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: party the night before, so no shots, but maybe like

581
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: two glasses of wine. Yeah and yeah. So I was

582
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: like so tired, and I was like, I'm just going

583
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: to lay here longer, but I'm just going to spend

584
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: extra time in prayer. You know that, you know. So

585
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: I didn't do my Bible study and I'm laying there

586
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: and I'm praying, and I'm praying. I just spend extra

587
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: time praying in Lord, whatever it is you have for me,

588
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: just give me the strength to get through it. I'm

589
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is, like, I just want your will to

590
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: be done, not mine. And kind of spent extra time

591
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: praying in that. And so when they said that, as

592
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: weird as it sounds, I knew, I was like, okay,

593
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: Like instantly, my thought back in my head to them

594
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: was okay, Lord, like this is what you have for me.

595
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: It is not good, but you are in control. You

596
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: were going to take care of us, and I trust you.

597
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: You didn't start crying or get hysterical.

598
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: No, I had such a peace in me, like I knew,

599
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I knew exactly that he was not going to make nothing.

600
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: And me thought, I knew William is going to die,

601
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: but it's going to be okay.

602
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: Where what at home?

603
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: He was at home when this happened, Arnie, and he

604
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: was sitting there at lunch. Jack was finished, so she

605
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: went and put him down to sleep. She sent Maddelin up.

606
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: She was four, so like she barely napped, but she

607
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: was like, go have quiet time or rest time, you know,

608
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: get ready for rest time. And William had a couple

609
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: bites left of this Costco chicken noodle soup that I

610
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: had bought, and he choked on a piece of chicken

611
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: and she did all she could. He went limp in

612
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: her arms. She called nine one one. They got there

613
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: really quickly, and so Daniel got a call at work.

614
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: His office was closer to the house. He made it

615
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: to the house when they were working on him, and

616
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: even one of the paramedics told him we had very

617
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: different experiences. And he made it to the house and

618
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: a paramedics said, I've seen someone come back from this,

619
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: and so he kind of had hope, hope. So I

620
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: got the call or I talked to them and they

621
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: told me to go to Williamson Medical Center and so

622
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I beat the I called friends on my way there,

623
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just need you praying, Like

624
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: William's not breathing, I need you praying. And so I

625
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: beat the ambulance to the hospital and as soon as

626
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: they pulled in and they willed him out on a stretcher,

627
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, he's gone. I knew it. Like

628
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: his he looked perfect, but he had an emptiness in

629
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: his eyes, and I was just like, I know he's gone.

630
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: And they wheel him in. It's like super chaotic in there,

631
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: and doctors are on, nurses are around, and I'm like,

632
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: everyone is going to watch this little boy die and

633
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: lose hope in God, like this is, this is so terrible,

634
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: and I just thought, I'm gonna I'm going to say

635
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: a prayer. I want people to know that even though

636
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: he dies, it is going to be okay and the

637
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: Lord is still with us. And that is I'm talking

638
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: like Holy Spirit like coming over me in a way

639
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: that I've never felt before, and a peace that I

640
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: have never felt. And when they brought him in, he

641
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: didn't even have a heart beat. When they brought him in,

642
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: and the paramedics came over and said, we had I

643
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: think it was like an eleventh or twelfth round of medication,

644
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: and they and I had, you know, I kind of

645
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know he's not coming back. And they said,

646
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: this is the last round of medicine that we can

647
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: give him to get his heart to start beat again.

648
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, And his heart started beating,

649
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: so I was kind of confused at that point. They

650
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: never there was never any signs of brain activity, so

651
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't like we think he's going to make it. Oh, no,

652
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: this brain activity's gone, Like there was never any sign

653
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: of brain activity. But his heart started beating again, and

654
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: so they're like okay.

655
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 3: So I was.

656
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: Literally prepared in that room for them to his heart

657
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: and arts to start beating and be like, God is

658
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: still good. God is still good.

659
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: In this moment, We'll be right back.

660
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: And I'd kind of in my head, I was rehearsing

661
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: this prayer. Well, then his heart starts beating and they're like,

662
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: we need to transform to Vanderbilt. And so I get

663
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: in the ambulance with I sit in the front seat

664
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: and this he looked twelve, the driver of this ambulance,

665
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there with him, and I was like,

666
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: do you think I should post on Facebook to like

667
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: ask for prayer and the poor guy is like, I

668
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: think whatever you want to do is fine, and I

669
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: was like, okay. So here, like I'm looking back, they're

670
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: like still trying to work on him, and they're back

671
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: there with him, and I just get on Facebook and say,

672
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, here's the deal. William's not breathing. I need

673
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: everyone praying for him. And we take him to Vanderbilt

674
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: and there was never any sign of brain activity, but

675
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: they got him stable. So he's basically back in a

676
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: room stable, looks perfect, looks like he's sleeping. The amount

677
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: of people that show up at Vanderbilt, we had such

678
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: good community, church, my work, friends, family, we had such

679
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: good community. And the waiting rooms just poured full of people,

680
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: people praying, people just being there whatever it was. And

681
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: it was such a crazy time because here here's this

682
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: little boy. I remember our pastor came in and we

683
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: were just like laying over him. I never prayed for

684
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: a miracle. I mean people all over were, and that's

685
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: totally fine. I never prayed for me. The Lord gave

686
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: me such a peace that he was already gone. But

687
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: now I'm in this confusion of like what happens now?

688
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: I just like I remember praying over, like, just be

689
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: with Jesus, just just go just you know, I didn't

690
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: want him to have any pain. I didn't want I

691
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't want him to feel any pain or anything, and

692
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: so I just wanted him to be in the arms

693
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: of Jesus. And we spent that night, I mean, tons

694
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: of people were there and everything, and it's late and

695
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I remember our pediatrician shows up and she is probably

696
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: eleven something at night. She'd finally gotten the word that

697
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: we were there, and she said to me, she said, Jamie,

698
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: I always tell my kids they're barred from above. And

699
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that was hard truth to hear,

700
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: but it's what I needed. I wanted. I needed people

701
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: saying that to me. I knew it, and I was like, yes, absolutely,

702
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: And so we went back to the room that night,

703
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: you know, late, it's just Daniel and I and I

704
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: was like, I think we can get through this, but

705
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: you can't leave me. And he was like, and I

706
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: just my mind instantly. I mean, he's like, our son

707
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: is back there on a ventilator. But I had already

708
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: so quickly when to our son just died, and I

709
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: can't have you leave me, Like I can't. I can't

710
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: walk through. I knew the statistics were so high on

711
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: people losing a child in the divorce rate, and that's,

712
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, the night this happened, that's kind of where

713
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: my mind went. He was, I mean, of course, he

714
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: was like Jamie. And so we go to bed that

715
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: night and the next morning we meet with the What's

716
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: Next guy and I thought he was in there to

717
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: plan the funeral, and he said, we want to present

718
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: you with the option of organ donation, and my confusion

719
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: in my like, am I going to have to decide

720
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: when to pull the plug on a two year old?

721
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: Or like what happens now? I had such a piece

722
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: that he was gone, but now here we are, he's

723
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: stable in a ventilator, like what happens now? And when

724
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: he presented organ donation, it was such an answered prayer

725
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: and Daniel and I were like absolutely, and it was

726
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: this spark of hope of like, okay, Lord, you see

727
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: us in this, and now our prayer shifted to I

728
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: want you to help as many people as possible, like

729
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: this is why your heart started beating again, this is

730
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: why we're here, And so I know not everyone gets that.

731
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: It's such a gift. Also with organ donation. You know,

732
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: I learned a lot in the process. I didn't know

733
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: much about it. I was, you know, sixteen, They say,

734
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: do you want to be an organ donor? I was

735
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: like sure, and learned a lot about it, and they

736
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: would They said, we're going to have to keep him

737
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: alive longer to try to match as many organs as possible,

738
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: which was such a gift to us, because you know,

739
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: he was back there sleeping. We were deciding do we

740
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: bring Madeline up to the hospital. She's four, Do we

741
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: have her remember him, you know, at home that morning together?

742
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: Do we have her remember him with a bunch of tubes,

743
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: you know, in a hospital room. So we were kind

744
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: of gathering wisdom on that, seeking wisdom from other people.

745
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: And that was also a gift with organization that they said,

746
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: we'll keep him alive till Monday, till he goes in

747
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: for surgery, and then halfway through the surgery they turn

748
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: off the ventilator. So that was also such an answered

749
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: prayer of like what now, what happens next? And we thought,

750
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: if we could give someone three more hours with their

751
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: person they love, three days, thirty days, thirty years, like

752
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: we would have taken any amount of time longer with William.

753
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: So if we are in a position that our son

754
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: can do that for someone, that's what we want to do.

755
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: And it was such I don't feel like organ donation

756
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: has talked about on the donor side as a gift,

757
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: and man, it has just been such an incredible gift

758
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: for our family. And even with Madeline, we brought her

759
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Child Life of Vanderbilt was fantastic. They're

760
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: angels on Earth, faithful, restored, we partner with them. I mean,

761
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: they're just incredible people. And really we brought her up

762
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: to the hospital room and she sat on the side

763
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: of his bed and she looked at him, and she

764
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: looked at me and she said, Mom, I really wish

765
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: William didn't die. I was like, I know, I do too,

766
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 1: she said, but he's alive in heaven.

767
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: He is.

768
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: And so even to hear that truth spoken back to

769
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: us from our four year old was what we needed.

770
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: And it was such a sweet time at the hospital,

771
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: tons of friends and family. It was such a spirit

772
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: filled the nurse that cared for him. We said goodbye

773
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: the first night and she showed up the next day

774
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: and she's like, I just couldn't leave them. She's like,

775
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: I was at home and I just couldn't leave them.

776
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: She came back every day until the surgery. We still

777
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: keep up with her now. She was dating someone, she's

778
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: got engaged, has a couple kids. Now. Just incredible. And

779
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: the people that came in that room felt the presence

780
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: of the Lord and it was just a holy time,

781
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: which sounds so crazy when you're talking about a hospital

782
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: room of a basically dead two year old, And so

783
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: all sprinkled throughout there are such gifts. And then we

784
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: say goodbye Monday morning and get back to the house.

785
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: And it was the next day and our friends are

786
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: over making memory boards and someone said, did you hear

787
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: about Ava? And I was like, who's Ava? And they said,

788
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: we think we know where William's heart went. And I

789
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: had overheard a nurse at Van Dey say his heart

790
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: was going to Chicago, his kidneys were going as a

791
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: block to North Carolina, and his liver was going to Texas.

792
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: And normally you don't know that, you don't hear that.

793
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: I just overheard a nurse say that. And so from

794
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: posting on Facebook, a friend of mine was sharing William's story,

795
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: and a friend of Amy's was sharing Ava's story and

796
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: an eighteen month old little girl, Ava Martin in Chicago

797
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: had waited one hundred and eleven days for a heart,

798
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: and Monday she received her heart, and so we watch

799
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: a news story. Ava had been covered by the Chicago

800
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: News and so we were able to watch a news

801
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: story and the surgeon is wheeling in the cooler with

802
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: William's heart in it takes the heart out of the

803
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: cooler and this is all we're watching it and puts

804
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: his heart in her and said welcome to your new home.

805
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, I love them. I love them,

806
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, Daniel, I'm going to message her.

807
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: He was like what, Yeah, He's just like slow down,

808
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: like this is a little much. And I was like okay.

809
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: I was like I'm good a messenger. So I got

810
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: on Facebook and this is Tuesday night and I sent

811
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: her a message and I said, I don't know if

812
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: this is this is it, but our son passed away

813
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: and we donated his heart yesterday. I heard it was

814
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: going to Chicago, and I said, regardless, I'm so happy

815
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: for you and your family and I will be praying

816
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: for Ava. And within twenty minutes I get a message

817
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: back and she was like, Ava's transplant was the only

818
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: pediatric cart transplant in Chicago yesterday, and so we instantly knew,

819
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: and so we start writing each other back. They have

820
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: an older sister, Ella, so she was sending me pictures

821
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: of her two girls. I was sending pictures of Madeline

822
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: and a story that only God could Right, we connect,

823
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: and there are some of our best friends. We vacation together.

824
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: Now we have two girls. We had went on to

825
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 1: have another little girl.

826
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: And are your kids friends with Ava?

827
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: Oh they're heart sisters. Oh yeah, They're truly four little

828
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: peas in a pod. And it has been the greatest

829
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: blessing and it's just so incredible. So we tweepe each

830
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: other all the time.

831
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm sitting over here teared up listen to your story,

832
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 2: which makes me a big old wooss. I mean, there's

833
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: my goodness so much. And I know people are listening

834
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: to you and are teared up driving down the street

835
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: right now, maybe you even calls to wreck, but don't

836
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: put that on her. Yeah, but I can't help. The

837
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: profound is what I always hits me in the face.

838
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure you have, but I just want to I

839
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: want to hear your thoughts on how so vastly different

840
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: your response is to your son's death and your father's death.

841
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: One was I hey God, and the other is I

842
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: thank God. How does that change happen in one's life.

843
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: I think it over time a couple there was you

844
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: know how many years we lost. My dad died in

845
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight and William died in twenty fifteen.

846
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: So in that time, I feel like a huge part

847
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: of that was attending a church that really challenged me

848
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: to deepen my faith, and I heard the word preach

849
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: to me in a way that just really resonated with me,

850
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: and had I had a desire to seek the Lord's

851
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: will in a way that I had not before. And

852
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: although I was saying those same words before my dad died,

853
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean literally I was, you know, I listened to

854
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 1: usman on prayer from Andy Stanley that changed my prayer life,

855
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: and so I'm praying the words daily Lord, I just

856
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: want your will to be done. But when I was

857
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: praying that before my dad died, I really was had

858
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: my hands plunches, like I want your will to be done,

859
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: but really only if it fits within what I want.

860
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: And so which you know, I didn't know that at

861
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: the time, but then you yet, no, I had not,

862
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: and I would you know. I was a Christian everything

863
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: about it. But over those years before we lost William,

864
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: it really my faith was deep in from truly surrendering

865
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: and believing the Lord's goodness. And that's what it was.

866
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: It was a surrender. I had not fully surrendered, and

867
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: I was I was trusting the Lord, but really I

868
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: kind of wanted my will to be done. And I

869
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: will tell you the difference was unbelievable. I mean, I

870
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: would say, I mean, I think everyone would agree. It's

871
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: a greater loss losing a child than a parent. But man,

872
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: what made the difference is, yeah, was my faith and

873
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: my true belief in Lord. I do trust you. I

874
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: know I don't have all the answers. I don't and

875
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: I don't even think we'll get them one day.

876
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

877
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't think every answer or every question will be answered,

878
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: but I won't need It's a pointed we don't need them,

879
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and I trust that. And so that's my heart for

880
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: other people listening, I want it's not if something's going

881
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: to happen, it's when. And so man, if you can

882
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: surrender and be like, Lord, truly, whatever it is you

883
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: have for me, I'm here for it. You just are

884
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: able to see His goodness. And I can say that,

885
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: even losing a child, I know there will be more

886
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: people in heaven because of William's story. And as a mom, like,

887
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: what greater gift than for your kids to bring people

888
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: closer to Christ?

889
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: Well, and there's people on earth living today because your

890
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 2: son right in that same vein. I can't imagine you

891
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: didn't impart that same level of faith on your nanny. O.

892
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: We love her. She actually now has a two year

893
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: old wow, and was born actually right around the anniversary

894
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: of losing William, And she's fantastic. We have never blamed her.

895
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I talked about the gifts, like I

896
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: see the Lord's hand in all of it. And the

897
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: paramedics that got to our house could not remove the piece.

898
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: Of chicken, So how could she have?

899
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: And how could she have? And that one little I

900
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: think And they didn't remove it till they got to

901
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: William's medical center. But I think if they would have

902
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: gotten there and been able to remove it but it

903
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: was just too late, I think I would have felt like, man,

904
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I think she could have done something, or I wish

905
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: I was there that I could have done something.

906
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if a paramedic kid do it, you or

907
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: nanny aren't going to do right.

908
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: And I was able to say that to our daughter,

909
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: and so, you know, Malan's very verbal, has always been.

910
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: And what a gift because a couple of days after

911
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: William died, we're in the car and she was like, Mom,

912
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: you know I wish I was awake when William died.

913
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: And I was like why, and she's like, I just

914
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: think I could have saved him. So I was able

915
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: to say to her, opportunity. You know, the paramedics that

916
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: are trained to do that, they couldn't even say him

917
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: they have tools, yeah, and so you wouldn't been able

918
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: to save him. And I'm so thankful that she was

919
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: what at one point was like this kid does not

920
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: stop talking, Like she doesn't stop talking, Like I can't

921
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: wait till she goes to kindergarten and her teacher's like,

922
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't stop talking. From once was that frustration, was like, man, Lord,

923
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: thank you for that. Because she didn't carry that guilt.

924
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: She was able to say everything that came to her

925
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: mind and we were able to process out loud, another.

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Speaker 2: Blessing, and that concludes part one of my conversation with

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Speaker 2: Jamie Hurd, and you do not want to miss part two.

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00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: That's now I've alable to listen to. So as Sophia

929
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: and I sit here, which is Alex's oldest daughter, we're

930
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: thinking about how together we could actually change the country

931
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: and how it starts with you. But we really want

932
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: to see in part two. Sophia, what do you got

933
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: to do to get these people to go to part two? Now?

934
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: To go to part two, you don't want to miss.

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Speaker 2: That's right, ring the bell, tell them go.

936
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: To part two.

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00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see in part two