Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Nice Podcast. Today we
Speaker 2: are going to do a little Q and a sash
Speaker 2: looking at this first bullet point we've got here, Ben,
Speaker 2: how do you feel about making the top four bachelor
Speaker 2: Hottest Bachelor's in Histories list on Reddit?
Speaker 3: I will say this to be honest, like this, this
Speaker 3: feels good, Like I didn't realize I needed this today,
Speaker 3: but I didn't need this. I'm so glad.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at this bracket here, so you know,
Speaker 2: it's March madness, you know, continuing into April. So the
Speaker 2: Reddit boards did a bracket with all the bachelors and
Speaker 2: you Grant Ellis of course, Jesse Palmer and Joey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are the top four.
Speaker 2: You guys are going into the you know what is
Speaker 2: the top four called the final the Final four. You're
Speaker 2: the final four. I went, you know, I went to Syracuse.
Speaker 2: Back then we used to be part of this all
Speaker 2: the time, but now not so much. And it has
Speaker 2: you have been eliminated. When it comes to the top
Speaker 2: the final, the head to head is actually against Jesse
Speaker 2: Palmer and Joey and Joey has won the Hottest Bachelor
Speaker 2: bracket overall.
Speaker 3: Feelings Again, I didn't know I needed this today I did.
Speaker 3: It feels good to me. I don't win many things
Speaker 3: in my life. I'm never like a top dog, but
Speaker 3: it's good to be considered at least not like the
Speaker 3: last place person. That would really hurt if I saw this,
Speaker 3: If you guys posted this and I had gotten knocked
Speaker 3: out in the first round by Colton Underwood, I would
Speaker 3: be so sad. First off, I'll say that's a tough
Speaker 3: matchup for me, right off the back. Colton Underwood, you know,
Speaker 3: handsome guy, good looking, works out all the time, so
Speaker 3: a tough matchup. Then I went on to a prince,
Speaker 3: and I beat a prince. I would say this road
Speaker 3: to the final four was not easy for me. Joey
Speaker 3: is a very attractive man. I'll spend a second here
Speaker 3: talking about why he beat me. One. He's got the smile,
Speaker 3: he's got the eyes, he's got the hair. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: got the hair. I saw him on Dance with the Stars.
Speaker 3: There's a reason why he danced with his shirt off
Speaker 3: the whole time, even though he has insanely sweaty armpits.
Speaker 3: They still said, let that sweat show because he's a
Speaker 3: hot man. He's a hot man, and he beat me.
Speaker 3: I also say this, Actually, I said the same thing
Speaker 3: to my dad. My dad's a big Purdue basketball fan.
Speaker 3: They get beat by Houston last week, and I told
Speaker 3: him this, Dad, you know how good it feels now
Speaker 3: you got beat? That stinks. Nobody likes losing. I don't
Speaker 3: like losing. I don't like looking at this losing. But
Speaker 3: you got beat by the potential national champions in the
Speaker 3: Houston Cougars. You could honestly be the second best team
Speaker 3: in the country. And I'll say that about this bracket.
Speaker 3: Joey wins the whole thing against Jesse Palmer. I lost
Speaker 3: to the champion, and I had a tough road to
Speaker 3: get there. I feel good about my effort. I'm very
Speaker 3: thankful for the work that's put into this. I'd like
Speaker 3: to think my parents and my wife for her skincare routines.
Speaker 3: I'd like to think the show for picking me when
Speaker 3: I was twenty five years old and kind of at
Speaker 3: my prime, Like that's not I wasn't a thirty year
Speaker 3: old bachelor. I didn't started aging yet. I was just
Speaker 3: reaching my peak when I became the bachelor, but this
Speaker 3: is a wild bracket. It could have hurt me so bad.
Speaker 3: But instead I'm going to tell my wife I made
Speaker 3: the final four of Hottest Bachelors ever.
Speaker 2: That is amazing. I'm so happy for you, Ben, and
Speaker 2: I agree with this. You are definitely in my top three.
Speaker 2: I just I just said you made my top three.
Speaker 3: Bachelors a little bit. Actually, goodness, you were like in
Speaker 3: my top sixty.
Speaker 4: You're out there.
Speaker 2: I know what my top four hottest bachelors are, but like,
Speaker 2: I'm too friendly with all of you, so I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna like, let you be in the top I'm going
Speaker 2: to tell you that you're in the top three without
Speaker 2: ranking them one to three. That makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's I'll take it, Ashley. And I appreciate
Speaker 3: you not crushing me. I thought for a second you're
Speaker 3: going to turn it and be like, yeah, this was
Speaker 3: a shock that you made the top four, and then
Speaker 3: I was gonna.
Speaker 2: Be like, no, no, it's you know, and if we
Speaker 2: didn't work together, I would probably say that you were Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not going to go further, not
Speaker 2: gonna go further. You just look at you so brotherly. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but if I were to like, not look at you brotherly,
Speaker 2: I wonder where you you know, I'm just gonna shut
Speaker 2: the hell up.
Speaker 3: Here's what's impressive. And I think like we can live
Speaker 3: on each other a little bit in this moment, and
Speaker 3: it's really good. Typically, when you meet somebody, you either
Speaker 3: like them less or like them more over time. Right
Speaker 3: you're there, either become more or less attractive to you
Speaker 3: over time after you get to know somebody well. And
Speaker 3: I would say, after nine years of doing this, I
Speaker 3: told it just the other day. We were talking about
Speaker 3: you and your time on the show because she was
Speaker 3: curious she didn't see it, and I said, I'll tell
Speaker 3: you this. I think I love, appreciate, and then more
Speaker 3: attracted to Ashley every year that we host the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I said those exact words, but
Speaker 3: it was the sentiment that was given to her. And
Speaker 3: I'd say, that's a pretty big deal. For nine years doing.
Speaker 2: This, that is so sweet. I know. Yeah, well, you
Speaker 2: know I love those moments where I'm like, oh, Ben,
Speaker 2: that is one of my best friends.
Speaker 4: It's so sweet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool. I can't believe it. I still
Speaker 2: think that sometimes it's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's cool too. We got a good
Speaker 3: thing going here, Ashley. Let's never let it stop. Speaking
Speaker 3: of hot people, Victoria Fuller recently said she was on
Speaker 3: the short list to be the next Bachelor at Before
Speaker 3: the Pause. Do you think she would have brought back viewership,
Speaker 3: like we've kind of talked about for weeks now and
Speaker 3: what the show needs to do. Would she have been
Speaker 3: the right fit to lead the show?
Speaker 2: She could have been, because one, she is just so
Speaker 2: damn sexy. Two, she came from Peter season, which is
Speaker 2: one of the greatest seasons of ratings over the past decade.
Speaker 3: The cast was incredible that season.
Speaker 2: It was great, great cast. It was the season that
Speaker 2: was going into COVID and then it just kind of
Speaker 2: like lost steam a bit. But that was the way
Speaker 2: to go out with the bang. And yeah, she stayed
Speaker 2: relevant over the past five years. She's dated quarterback she
Speaker 2: did it, you know, the quarterback of the Titans. She's
Speaker 2: dated Greg Grippo, one of the stars of Bachelin Nation.
Speaker 2: I think that she brings a lot of interest. She
Speaker 2: is somebody that guys would want to date. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see her being like sassy as a mother effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I don't think I think that plays.
Speaker 3: My only critique would be I think they had such
Speaker 3: a good thing going with with Yeah, that everybody would
Speaker 3: have been upset if it wasn't her, and so it
Speaker 3: never would have fit Victoria Fuller. Though just in general,
Speaker 3: being the Bachelorette would be great television. I think people
Speaker 3: would view it. I do think it would increase viewership.
Speaker 3: But I do also think that the fan base really
Speaker 3: was begging for Latia to be the next Bachelorette because she,
Speaker 3: out of anybody in years past, was like the prime candidate.
Speaker 3: I mean, goodness gracious, they had a gift handed to
Speaker 3: them and they said, yeah, let's not do it this year.
Speaker 2: So you and I love Latia. Do you know what
Speaker 2: I've gotten from people who've come up to me as
Speaker 2: Bachelor fans just out and about in public, They were like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe it, Like this darker side came out
Speaker 2: of her when she was dumped. People kept telling me,
Speaker 2: like I have heard from many people that they were
Speaker 2: come on, now, come on now. People were disappointed to
Speaker 2: see a different version of her come out, And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, really, because I like her more than ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Yeah, I think I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people respected it and saw themselves in her. I think
Speaker 3: she had a related ability and it's not like her
Speaker 3: character changed. She's still the sweet but she protects herself
Speaker 3: and we should Yeah, we should support that, right, I
Speaker 3: mean we should support women standing up for themselves. Get
Speaker 3: behind that. Let's go okay. Next question is this. I
Speaker 3: have a lot of feelings and thoughts on this topic,
Speaker 3: but Dylan Ephron is making headwaves right now. Right every
Speaker 3: time I open on my Instagram, I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a new shirtless picture of him. There is a new
Speaker 3: article about, you know, his love interest, whatever is happening
Speaker 3: in his life. He's blowing up, is the way to
Speaker 3: say this. And I don't know if that's what the
Speaker 3: kids are saying these days, but in my world, he's
Speaker 3: blowing up. Would he make a good bachelor? Like, do
Speaker 3: you see those types of people being good bachelor's or not?
Speaker 2: I still think that this is the route that they
Speaker 2: need to take to give the franchise a little boost.
Speaker 2: The amount of tiktoks that would go crazy, the TikTok
Speaker 2: would go crazy if Dylan Ephron was the lead. We
Speaker 2: need that, we need someone like this, Zach could make
Speaker 2: a little appearance on the show. Oh my god, that'd
Speaker 2: be amazing. I'm totally down for a I don't want
Speaker 2: to call yes, I can call him a Dalist. He
Speaker 2: was on Traitors because of his brother, So we need
Speaker 2: like a Dalist celebrity who may be having a moment
Speaker 2: and not being currently Dealist as the lead.
Speaker 3: I say, Dalist, maybe you'd be okay. I do think
Speaker 3: the show is really made off of who they cast
Speaker 3: and would they bring into Dylan Effron. I do believe
Speaker 3: the applicants would be of all varieties and there'd be
Speaker 3: a plenty of applicants to go through. So I do
Speaker 3: think it could work if they casted it. Well, we
Speaker 3: just talked about Peters season of The Bachelor. There's very
Speaker 3: few casts outside of the season that I was the Bachelor,
Speaker 3: because I would fight to say that was the best
Speaker 3: cast ever, because I just think those girls are great.
Speaker 2: I would try to say that Crystals was but all good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Crystal's also be up there. There was a season there.
Speaker 3: Let's just say this, there was a period of time
Speaker 3: where the cast was incredible, from like the first to
Speaker 3: even some people going home on Night one and we
Speaker 3: need to get back to that, and I think that
Speaker 3: I think the issue is maybe not with the casting
Speaker 3: team as much as the applicants aren't as many as
Speaker 3: previous years, and so as a result, the show suffers.
Speaker 3: So yes, I do think if Dylan effern was announced
Speaker 3: with a Bachelor and they give enough time for people
Speaker 3: to sign up, we would see a lot of fun
Speaker 3: be had with who they brought to the show. So
Speaker 3: I think it's a great choice. I just don't want
Speaker 3: to get into this. This is the celebrity dating game
Speaker 3: where selettes are leads.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's unhealthy and it takes away from
Speaker 3: the ethos of the show, which has always been right
Speaker 3: to find true love. We'll see if it ever works well.
Speaker 2: I think that people should pull more beckatillies like why
Speaker 2: haven't we had anybody else be like, hey, I really
Speaker 2: feel something for this new lead. Can I join this season?
Speaker 3: Because I don't think we've had many leads where people
Speaker 3: have felt that way.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what, get a Dylan Ephron as
Speaker 2: the lead and then get a couple girls that were
Speaker 2: stand outs during their seasons as part of the cast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's smart. I don't think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Question for you, Okay, do you feel like people take
Speaker 2: online drama too seriously? Like Tyler unfollowing great? Well, actually
Speaker 2: it was Grant who unfollowed Tyler, and then Grant recently
Speaker 2: like responded because Tyler was like, oh, very interesting, you unfollowed.
Speaker 2: Grant unfollowed me after I gave him a little shade
Speaker 2: about his finale, and then Grant responded being like he
Speaker 2: posted like a whole video and he was like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: I I unfollowed you because what was the reason because
Speaker 2: you shaded Kendrick Lamar during the Super Bowl. Do you
Speaker 2: think that people are making too big of a deal
Speaker 2: of the online drama? I actually I think that people
Speaker 2: thought that.
Speaker 3: I really like how you asked. You're like, I need
Speaker 3: to ask you a question, and I asked the question
Speaker 3: to answer. I like, say, I post add something.
Speaker 2: Going on that's hilarious. Okay, Well, I actually think that
Speaker 2: Grants pissed off at Tyler for calling him out about that.
Speaker 3: That's what you think's happening. Yeah, So were we talking
Speaker 3: about that scenario specifically or Okay.
Speaker 2: Now, first we're going to talk about this scenario specifically, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we'll do overall.
Speaker 3: So what it was your take on that, It's just
Speaker 3: very different than how I like how I would handle
Speaker 3: these situations, and not that the way I would handle
Speaker 3: it be right or wrong. But Caitlin Bristow is a
Speaker 3: good example, right. Kaylin Bristow a year ago right came
Speaker 3: out publicly and was really upset about an interview we
Speaker 3: did on the Almost Famous podcast with Jason Tartick, and
Speaker 3: it was Chris, I wasn't there. Yeah, you're free, You're
Speaker 3: Scotch Free, the best friend in the world that would
Speaker 3: never do anything like this or ever engage in a
Speaker 3: show that would cause any controversy Ashley Hike and Eddie.
Speaker 3: So Chris Harrison, I hosted this with Jason, and I
Speaker 3: honestly felt like it was a very fair interview with Jason.
Speaker 3: It didn't bash Kaitlin and didn't bash Jason. It was
Speaker 3: just getting you know, the story out there. And obviously
Speaker 3: we see in headlines right now with Kaitlin kind of
Speaker 3: talking about that relationship once again with some issues she
Speaker 3: has with how he named the dog the baby name
Speaker 3: that she wanted to have. We'll talk about that at
Speaker 3: a later date. So what I did was immediately not
Speaker 3: go on social media. And maybe it's because of my
Speaker 3: discomfort with social media, or it's that I don't want
Speaker 3: to open up a can of worms and explode an
Speaker 3: issue into the universe so that everybody feels like they
Speaker 3: have the right to share their opinion on it. So
Speaker 3: what I do I called Caitlin and I said, Hey, Caitlin,
Speaker 3: I saw you said this, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: Can we talk this out? Can we figure this out
Speaker 3: so that this doesn't have to be a headline any
Speaker 3: longer because I don't like them being headlined. It does
Speaker 3: feel like Ashley, and I say that to say, it
Speaker 3: does feel like this next generation of contestants are more
Speaker 3: comfortable with the drama being aired out within the public
Speaker 3: sphere and headlines being made. And so I would say,
Speaker 3: with my skepticism and cynicism towards what's happening with the
Speaker 3: franchise right now and trying to make sense of the
Speaker 3: generation behind us ten years whatever, growing up and what
Speaker 3: they're feeling and dealing with emotionally, is that this is
Speaker 3: a great grab for attention. Drama seems to be the
Speaker 3: catalyst to keep people's names in the headlines, because bachelor
Speaker 3: people don't have a lot of ways to keep our
Speaker 3: names in the headlines unless we're dating somebody new, we're
Speaker 3: having babies, or we're causing drama. People aren't posting about
Speaker 3: us because they see us out having dinner as some
Speaker 3: fancy restaurant. No, they're posting about it because of the
Speaker 3: drama that's associated with the people that come from the franchise.
Speaker 3: And so I say that, are people making a too
Speaker 3: big of a deal about her or they playing into
Speaker 3: it too much? I don't know how to answer that,
Speaker 3: because it feels like it works. It feels like drama
Speaker 3: is the thing that keeps people relevant, and I think
Speaker 3: that's a new thing because I don't personally want drama
Speaker 3: to be the way that people remember me, know me,
Speaker 3: or associate me with somebody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm scared of confrontation, so it's not my way either,
Speaker 2: says the girl who had plenty of confrontation on the show.
Speaker 2: But still it's scary to me, and I wouldn't handle
Speaker 2: it like this as well. But you are spot on.
Speaker 2: It makes headlines, So if you feel like you want
Speaker 2: a headline, just go for it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean that make that TikTok. Make that Instagram
Speaker 4: reil exactly. Yeah, make it because it works. And so
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's too big of a dealer
Speaker 4: or not. It's working for what they want it to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's a very unhealthy path to
Speaker 3: go down, and it feels very heavy and it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel life giving. So I mean, I think I would
Speaker 3: finalize it in saying this for any listener out there,
Speaker 3: at what point in your life has had having a
Speaker 3: dramatic confrontation with somebody caused you to feel more alive
Speaker 3: or free or more joy filled? At what point has
Speaker 3: that ever happened in your life? And so why would
Speaker 3: you want to perpetuate these situations to be lasting longer
Speaker 3: than they need to be in the public sphere. I
Speaker 3: think over time it will start to wear on humans.
Speaker 3: I think over time we'll start to see people get
Speaker 3: really upset in these situations. And then my final point is,
Speaker 3: at what point is too far too far? Like, at
Speaker 3: what point does you not healing this issue become too
Speaker 3: much and it actually ends up hurting somebody personally? And
Speaker 3: that's something I don't think any human yet wants to do,
Speaker 3: is actually hurt people personally.
Speaker 2: I could make a joke by saying that my bad
Speaker 2: lance confrontation did did put me on a track that
Speaker 2: helped my life. But that's a one instance type thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got lucky, You got lucky, But what happened
Speaker 3: to the other person? They disappeared. We've never seen him again, Ashley,
Speaker 3: you did? Goodness gracious? All right? Back to you here?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like the Bachelor franchise demands too much
Speaker 3: perfectionism from its leads? Now, we've talked about this a
Speaker 3: lot in the past, and you just brought it up
Speaker 3: with Letia on you know, she stood up for herself
Speaker 3: and then people say, well, we saw a new side
Speaker 3: of her, Ashley, When when the question is asked you
Speaker 3: do you feel like it asks too much, demands too
Speaker 3: much perfectionism from its leads, And let's add in its
Speaker 3: you know, top cast members.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that maybe they're I of course
Speaker 2: do not have the answers, but I do feel like
Speaker 2: the cast if you show more like flaws, more vulnerabilities,
Speaker 2: more relatability, you get really you get a lot of likes,
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people will gravitate towards you. The
Speaker 2: lead probably has less room to show flaws, and if
Speaker 2: they do, they need to like really talk it out.
Speaker 2: I might be making this up at the top of
Speaker 2: my head, but like I'm thinking that if you're like
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, like I'm very emotional
Speaker 2: about this, that goes over well. I think what happened
Speaker 2: with Grant was that, like he didn't show enough thought process.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like in school when they're like show
Speaker 2: your work, you know, your math work, Like give us
Speaker 2: everything that you're thinking of, and that is going to
Speaker 2: make you likable. And if you're not giving a lot
Speaker 2: of your if you're not explaining a lot of yourself
Speaker 2: or showing enough emotion, then that is not gonna make
Speaker 2: you as likable. So like, if you're imperfect, show why
Speaker 2: you're imperfects that Restante might being crazy.
Speaker 3: No, I think what you're you're looking for is one
Speaker 3: of the characteristics of a lead has to be vulnerability
Speaker 3: and the ability to communicate your feelings and emotions at
Speaker 3: all points, even if you're feeling crazy and you're like,
Speaker 3: I love two people. I don't know what to do
Speaker 3: about this. I think explaining that, which the producers typically
Speaker 3: do a very good job at getting that out of
Speaker 3: you along the way, because it's not necessarily how we
Speaker 3: function in our normal lives, but it is the ability
Speaker 3: to communicate what you're feeling internally, and sometimes it's communicating
Speaker 3: things that you don't even know you're feeling internally and
Speaker 3: until you start processing this stuff out. And I think
Speaker 3: that is the mark of a good lead. So perfectionism
Speaker 3: is an interesting word to use, or to be asked
Speaker 3: here from one of our listeners, because I don't know
Speaker 3: how often the leads need to be perfect.
Speaker 2: Exactly as much as they need to be communicative.
Speaker 3: Communicative, and they are held to a different standard in
Speaker 3: an environment that nobody watching has ever been in, and
Speaker 3: so sometimes perfect within this environment of dating a bunch
Speaker 3: of people and processing a bunch of emotions and trying
Speaker 3: to filter through your way through this process, perfect looks
Speaker 3: different than what it would in the normal life, and
Speaker 3: so we don't don't even recognize the perfect choice sometimes
Speaker 3: until it's too late, or until it's years later when
Speaker 3: somebody else does the same thing and we're like, wait,
Speaker 3: maybe that does make sense. Maybe that is how this
Speaker 3: is supposed to go. Maybe those are the emotions you're
Speaker 3: supposed to be processing. And so I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's held to perfectionism, but I do know that criticism
Speaker 3: comes in and is unwarranted based on the environment that
Speaker 3: the leads are trying to go through because nobody can
Speaker 3: relate with it. They can't see it and be like,
Speaker 3: that's what I would do if I was dating ten
Speaker 3: women at once, That's what I would do if I
Speaker 3: was dating ten minute ones. They don't get it. We
Speaker 3: don't get it until you're in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally so well put, Ben, when you thought of
Speaker 2: that when you were like giving yourself a standard in
Speaker 2: your head, when you were just explaining that, who is
Speaker 2: your standard, like.
Speaker 3: Sus standard to live up to? When I was the
Speaker 3: leader or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have somebody in your head when you
Speaker 2: were giving that answer. I mean, I think I guess
Speaker 2: it's different for you since you actually were the lead
Speaker 2: and lived it. Yeah, I mean for me, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about you and Joey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's interesting. I think. I think the two
Speaker 3: things Joey and I have talked about this, the things
Speaker 3: that we came into as leads that were similar, was
Speaker 3: one that we really believed it could work. So that
Speaker 3: was one like foundational piece that I don't know if
Speaker 3: every lead has we really are like, hey, this is
Speaker 3: a good opportunity for us to find somebody or at
Speaker 3: least to expand what we thought we wanted in somebody. Okay,
Speaker 3: So that was the foundation. The second piece was that
Speaker 3: both Joey and I number one was crazy. We were
Speaker 3: talking about this in Orlando. The number one thing we
Speaker 3: were most concerned about and most focused on, and I
Speaker 3: would tell every lead to do the same, would be
Speaker 3: that the people that signed up for it left being
Speaker 3: happy that they did. It might not find love, but
Speaker 3: they were glad that they came, They were glad that
Speaker 3: they went through it, that they their life wasn't ruined
Speaker 3: because of this experience that they signed up for, and
Speaker 3: that the leak kind of was the filter which a
Speaker 3: lot of our decisions were made. A lot of the
Speaker 3: conversations were had was I want you to be able
Speaker 3: to get your story out there because I want people
Speaker 3: to know you better, and I want to know you better.
Speaker 3: So let's talk as much as we can in the
Speaker 3: environment that we have. Let's talk, Let's share, let me
Speaker 3: ask the questions that are needed to be asked so
Speaker 3: that people can understand you better and I can get
Speaker 3: to know you better, and then as a result, it
Speaker 3: kind of forces the lead to process those stories externally
Speaker 3: on a camera, and I think the viewers end up
Speaker 3: getting know the cast better because the leads know the
Speaker 3: cast better and they can explain it better. And I
Speaker 3: do think that's one thing we had in common that
Speaker 3: maybe separated us or differentiated us from others, was just
Speaker 3: that mindset of we want to know the cast really
Speaker 3: well and is whatever time we have with them. And
Speaker 3: as a result, the viewers got to know them really
Speaker 3: well too, because we were getting things out of them
Speaker 3: that other leads maybe wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you. There, so well thought out.
Speaker 3: Then well, goodness, Well, Ashley, I do have a question
Speaker 3: for you, and I know we're going to be closing
Speaker 3: out here. Yeah, one last one here for you, And
Speaker 3: then if any of these others that the listeners wrote
Speaker 3: in you're interested in asking me, we can. It's a
Speaker 3: big question. Once your honest thoughts. OK, So I need
Speaker 3: to take a deep breath and get into your honest
Speaker 3: mode without fear of any confrontation. Yeah, confrontation. Do you
Speaker 3: think Jason and Kelly make a good couple?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: I don't know, No, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you know why, Like you don't have to, don't
Speaker 3: dig a hole on somebody's character right now, don't throw
Speaker 3: them under the bus. But when you think about Jason
Speaker 3: and Kelly together, we just got to talk to Kelly
Speaker 3: in one of the most raw, authentic, vulnerable interviews we've
Speaker 3: ever done, where our hearts were torn, her her story
Speaker 3: was shared, and we're like, Kelly, we want nothing but
Speaker 3: good things to come your way. So if that's the
Speaker 3: bucket that we're keeping Kelly in and you bring in Jason,
Speaker 3: why doesn't that relationship work.
Speaker 2: I feel like both of them should probably maybe date
Speaker 2: somebody like a little bit quieter right now, because they
Speaker 2: both have had very public relationships and like there's not
Speaker 2: a problem with that at all. But I think maybe
Speaker 2: Kelly being the place that she is in right now,
Speaker 2: you know, she's very open about grieving the loss of
Speaker 2: her father in December, and I think that she just
Speaker 2: needs somebody like simple, not like simple minded, you know,
Speaker 2: but like calm. And I think that Jason is just
Speaker 2: too out there right now, like he's everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great point, and I think
Speaker 3: you're spot on, and it was a very nice way
Speaker 3: of saying this, I think both of them are huge personalities,
Speaker 3: and they're very much in the world right now. On
Speaker 3: social media, especially, Jason is post often strategically. It's what
Speaker 3: he does for work, like he posts strategically often. And
Speaker 3: it feels like two big personalities would have a hard
Speaker 3: time dating because what ends up happening is like the
Speaker 3: Cat in Jason scenario, where their relationship becomes a social
Speaker 3: media like front, and that their relationship becomes so social
Speaker 3: media focused that the intimacy that needs to exist within
Speaker 3: relationships is taken away because no time is private. Rachel
Speaker 3: Kocconnell says it right. Every time they went to dinner,
Speaker 3: what did Matt do? He was filming the dinner. At
Speaker 3: some point that becomes unhealthy. And so what happens I
Speaker 3: think in these relationships with huge personalities like the two
Speaker 3: of them are, is they need the ying to their yang.
Speaker 3: They need somebody that can support and stand back and
Speaker 3: they can do their thing while the other person is
Speaker 3: doing their thing, and that I think those two things
Speaker 3: mesh better than the two of them trying to be
Speaker 3: so loud, so proud, and so out there because that's
Speaker 3: who they both are. I think that's a mix for
Speaker 3: a very unhealthy relationship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little yin yang there. Alrighty well, guys, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We'll be back later
Speaker 2: this week with headlines and yeah, headlines and anything else
Speaker 2: we can tease.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna talk about Gabby. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 3: the Caitlin Bristow scenario in more detail. We're going to
Speaker 3: be yeah, the Gabby and Clayton thing that just happened
Speaker 3: on a recent podcast. Will also be sharing some updates
Speaker 3: and relationships along with any more information we have on
Speaker 3: this Tyler Cameron grant Ellis drama. So there is some
Speaker 3: big headline sitting out there that we're going to be
Speaker 3: talking about, breaking down and possibly bringing on some guests
Speaker 3: to speak with us about. Hey, until next time, I've
Speaker 3: been Ben, I've been Ashley.
Speaker 2: See you guys.
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