WEBVTT - A Hot Bachelor Q&A 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.800 This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:04.640 with iHeartRadio. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:09.520 Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Nice Podcast. Today we 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.800 are going to do a little Q and a sash 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.880 looking at this first bullet point we've got here, Ben, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.880 how do you feel about making the top four bachelor 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.919 Hottest Bachelor's in Histories list on Reddit? 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.520 I will say this to be honest, like this, this 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.040 feels good, Like I didn't realize I needed this today, 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.320 but I didn't need this. I'm so glad. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.360 I mean, I'm looking at this bracket here, so you know, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:41.000 it's March madness, you know, continuing into April. So the 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:46.360 Reddit boards did a bracket with all the bachelors and 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:51.600 you Grant Ellis of course, Jesse Palmer and Joey. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.560 Yeah, are the top four. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:55.680 You guys are going into the you know what is 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.200 the top four called the final the Final four. You're 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.040 the final four. I went, you know, I went to Syracuse. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:03.560 Back then we used to be part of this all 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.760 the time, but now not so much. And it has 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.000 you have been eliminated. When it comes to the top 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.720 the final, the head to head is actually against Jesse 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.200 Palmer and Joey and Joey has won the Hottest Bachelor 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.800 bracket overall. 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.959 Feelings Again, I didn't know I needed this today I did. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.600 It feels good to me. I don't win many things 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.319 in my life. I'm never like a top dog, but 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.560 it's good to be considered at least not like the 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.399 last place person. That would really hurt if I saw this, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.919 If you guys posted this and I had gotten knocked 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.520 out in the first round by Colton Underwood, I would 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.640 be so sad. First off, I'll say that's a tough 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.160 matchup for me, right off the back. Colton Underwood, you know, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.560 handsome guy, good looking, works out all the time, so 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.920 a tough matchup. Then I went on to a prince, 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:58.960 and I beat a prince. I would say this road 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.120 to the final four was not easy for me. Joey 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.320 is a very attractive man. I'll spend a second here 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.120 talking about why he beat me. One. He's got the smile, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.839 he's got the eyes, he's got the hair. Yeah, he's 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.720 got the hair. I saw him on Dance with the Stars. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:20.480 There's a reason why he danced with his shirt off 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:25.040 the whole time, even though he has insanely sweaty armpits. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.480 They still said, let that sweat show because he's a 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.960 hot man. He's a hot man, and he beat me. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.840 I also say this, Actually, I said the same thing 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.359 to my dad. My dad's a big Purdue basketball fan. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:40.880 They get beat by Houston last week, and I told 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:43.440 him this, Dad, you know how good it feels now 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.359 you got beat? That stinks. Nobody likes losing. I don't 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.800 like losing. I don't like looking at this losing. But 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:52.160 you got beat by the potential national champions in the 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.480 Houston Cougars. You could honestly be the second best team 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:58.640 in the country. And I'll say that about this bracket. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.239 Joey wins the whole thing against Jesse Palmer. I lost 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.880 to the champion, and I had a tough road to 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.359 get there. I feel good about my effort. I'm very 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:11.960 thankful for the work that's put into this. I'd like 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:16.200 to think my parents and my wife for her skincare routines. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.919 I'd like to think the show for picking me when 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.680 I was twenty five years old and kind of at 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:26.080 my prime, Like that's not I wasn't a thirty year 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.400 old bachelor. I didn't started aging yet. I was just 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.680 reaching my peak when I became the bachelor, but this 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.400 is a wild bracket. It could have hurt me so bad. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.160 But instead I'm going to tell my wife I made 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.120 the final four of Hottest Bachelors ever. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.960 That is amazing. I'm so happy for you, Ben, and 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.760 I agree with this. You are definitely in my top three. 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.720 I just I just said you made my top three. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:56.840 Bachelors a little bit. Actually, goodness, you were like in 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.880 my top sixty. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:03:59.520 You're out there. 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.600 I know what my top four hottest bachelors are, but like, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:04.720 I'm too friendly with all of you, so I'm just 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.840 gonna like, let you be in the top I'm going 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.160 to tell you that you're in the top three without 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.120 ranking them one to three. That makes sense. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.520 Yeah, that's that's I'll take it, Ashley. And I appreciate 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.800 you not crushing me. I thought for a second you're 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.080 going to turn it and be like, yeah, this was 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:19.640 a shock that you made the top four, and then 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:20.200 I was gonna. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:24.240 Be like, no, no, it's you know, and if we 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.840 didn't work together, I would probably say that you were Well, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:29.800 I'm not gonna I'm not going to go further, not 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.560 gonna go further. You just look at you so brotherly. Now. Yeah, 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.359 but if I were to like, not look at you brotherly, 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.120 I wonder where you you know, I'm just gonna shut 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:38.800 the hell up. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.240 Here's what's impressive. And I think like we can live 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.880 on each other a little bit in this moment, and 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:50.120 it's really good. Typically, when you meet somebody, you either 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:53.000 like them less or like them more over time. Right 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.080 you're there, either become more or less attractive to you 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.200 over time after you get to know somebody well. And 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.800 I would say, after nine years of doing this, I 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.520 told it just the other day. We were talking about 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.520 you and your time on the show because she was 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:08.640 curious she didn't see it, and I said, I'll tell 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.960 you this. I think I love, appreciate, and then more 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.360 attracted to Ashley every year that we host the show. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.760 I don't know if I said those exact words, but 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.520 it was the sentiment that was given to her. And 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:24.440 I'd say, that's a pretty big deal. For nine years doing. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.039 This, that is so sweet. I know. Yeah, well, you 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.000 know I love those moments where I'm like, oh, Ben, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:33.600 that is one of my best friends. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:34.240 It's so sweet. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.159 Yeah, it's so cool. I can't believe it. I still 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:38.600 think that sometimes it's cool. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.680 Yeah, I think it's cool too. We got a good 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.760 thing going here, Ashley. Let's never let it stop. Speaking 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:49.279 of hot people, Victoria Fuller recently said she was on 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.360 the short list to be the next Bachelor at Before 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:56.160 the Pause. Do you think she would have brought back viewership, 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:57.880 like we've kind of talked about for weeks now and 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.280 what the show needs to do. Would she have been 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.000 the right fit to lead the show? 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:04.680 She could have been, because one, she is just so 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.919 damn sexy. Two, she came from Peter season, which is 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:14.920 one of the greatest seasons of ratings over the past decade. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:16.800 The cast was incredible that season. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:20.760 It was great, great cast. It was the season that 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.560 was going into COVID and then it just kind of 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:26.320 like lost steam a bit. But that was the way 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.880 to go out with the bang. And yeah, she stayed 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:36.080 relevant over the past five years. She's dated quarterback she 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.400 did it, you know, the quarterback of the Titans. She's 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.039 dated Greg Grippo, one of the stars of Bachelin Nation. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.479 I think that she brings a lot of interest. She 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:51.320 is somebody that guys would want to date. And uh yeah, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.520 I could see her being like sassy as a mother effort. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.640 Yeah, and then I don't think I think that plays. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.200 My only critique would be I think they had such 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:03.440 a good thing going with with Yeah, that everybody would 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.719 have been upset if it wasn't her, and so it 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:10.239 never would have fit Victoria Fuller. Though just in general, 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:12.680 being the Bachelorette would be great television. I think people 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.960 would view it. I do think it would increase viewership. 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.280 But I do also think that the fan base really 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.720 was begging for Latia to be the next Bachelorette because she, 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:28.720 out of anybody in years past, was like the prime candidate. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.640 I mean, goodness gracious, they had a gift handed to 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.320 them and they said, yeah, let's not do it this year. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.240 So you and I love Latia. Do you know what 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.760 I've gotten from people who've come up to me as 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.520 Bachelor fans just out and about in public, They were like, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.960 I can't believe it, Like this darker side came out 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.800 of her when she was dumped. People kept telling me, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.000 like I have heard from many people that they were 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:57.000 come on, now, come on now. People were disappointed to 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.880 see a different version of her come out, And I 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.160 was like, oh, really, because I like her more than ever. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.760 Yeah, no, Yeah, I think I think a lot of 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.000 people respected it and saw themselves in her. I think 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.800 she had a related ability and it's not like her 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:16.480 character changed. She's still the sweet but she protects herself 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.600 and we should Yeah, we should support that, right, I 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.600 mean we should support women standing up for themselves. Get 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:29.360 behind that. Let's go okay. Next question is this. I 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.000 have a lot of feelings and thoughts on this topic, 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:36.120 but Dylan Ephron is making headwaves right now. Right every 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.320 time I open on my Instagram, I feel like there's 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:42.240 a new shirtless picture of him. There is a new 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.280 article about, you know, his love interest, whatever is happening 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.200 in his life. He's blowing up, is the way to 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:49.640 say this. And I don't know if that's what the 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.640 kids are saying these days, but in my world, he's 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.720 blowing up. Would he make a good bachelor? Like, do 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.720 you see those types of people being good bachelor's or not? 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:02.520 I still think that this is the route that they 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.439 need to take to give the franchise a little boost. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:09.360 The amount of tiktoks that would go crazy, the TikTok 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.640 would go crazy if Dylan Ephron was the lead. We 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.559 need that, we need someone like this, Zach could make 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.120 a little appearance on the show. Oh my god, that'd 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:24.800 be amazing. I'm totally down for a I don't want 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.440 to call yes, I can call him a Dalist. He 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.400 was on Traitors because of his brother, So we need 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.920 like a Dalist celebrity who may be having a moment 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.400 and not being currently Dealist as the lead. 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.920 I say, Dalist, maybe you'd be okay. I do think 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.280 the show is really made off of who they cast 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.600 and would they bring into Dylan Effron. I do believe 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:52.080 the applicants would be of all varieties and there'd be 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.280 a plenty of applicants to go through. So I do 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.120 think it could work if they casted it. Well, we 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.800 just talked about Peters season of The Bachelor. There's very 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.480 few casts outside of the season that I was the Bachelor, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.960 because I would fight to say that was the best 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.160 cast ever, because I just think those girls are great. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:16.000 I would try to say that Crystals was but all good. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.000 Yeah, Crystal's also be up there. There was a season there. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.160 Let's just say this, there was a period of time 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:26.720 where the cast was incredible, from like the first to 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.880 even some people going home on Night one and we 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.720 need to get back to that, and I think that 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.960 I think the issue is maybe not with the casting 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.480 team as much as the applicants aren't as many as 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.439 previous years, and so as a result, the show suffers. 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.520 So yes, I do think if Dylan effern was announced 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:47.760 with a Bachelor and they give enough time for people 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.280 to sign up, we would see a lot of fun 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.200 be had with who they brought to the show. So 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.200 I think it's a great choice. I just don't want 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.120 to get into this. This is the celebrity dating game 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.160 where selettes are leads. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:01.640 I know. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.720 Yeah, I think that's unhealthy and it takes away from 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.959 the ethos of the show, which has always been right 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.480 to find true love. We'll see if it ever works well. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.640 I think that people should pull more beckatillies like why 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.400 haven't we had anybody else be like, hey, I really 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.800 feel something for this new lead. Can I join this season? 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.080 Because I don't think we've had many leads where people 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.040 have felt that way. 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:26.120 Okay, so you know what, get a Dylan Ephron as 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.400 the lead and then get a couple girls that were 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.760 stand outs during their seasons as part of the cast. 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.440 Yeah, that's smart. I don't think it's a bad idea. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:35.720 I like it. I like it. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:45.600 All right. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:49.440 Question for you, Okay, do you feel like people take 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.600 online drama too seriously? Like Tyler unfollowing great? Well, actually 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:57.120 it was Grant who unfollowed Tyler, and then Grant recently 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:01.599 like responded because Tyler was like, oh, very interesting, you unfollowed. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.800 Grant unfollowed me after I gave him a little shade 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:08.839 about his finale, and then Grant responded being like he 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.160 posted like a whole video and he was like, no, dude, 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.680 I I unfollowed you because what was the reason because 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.480 you shaded Kendrick Lamar during the Super Bowl. Do you 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.480 think that people are making too big of a deal 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.680 of the online drama? I actually I think that people 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:24.120 thought that. 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:26.800 I really like how you asked. You're like, I need 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.720 to ask you a question, and I asked the question 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.840 to answer. I like, say, I post add something. 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:38.000 Going on that's hilarious. Okay, Well, I actually think that 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.040 Grants pissed off at Tyler for calling him out about that. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.000 That's what you think's happening. Yeah, So were we talking 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.679 about that scenario specifically or Okay. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.400 Now, first we're going to talk about this scenario specifically, Yeah, 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:52.680 and then we'll do overall. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.800 So what it was your take on that, It's just 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.800 very different than how I like how I would handle 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.520 these situations, and not that the way I would handle 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.480 it be right or wrong. But Caitlin Bristow is a 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.959 good example, right. Kaylin Bristow a year ago right came 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.520 out publicly and was really upset about an interview we 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.760 did on the Almost Famous podcast with Jason Tartick, and 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:18.439 it was Chris, I wasn't there. Yeah, you're free, You're 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.800 Scotch Free, the best friend in the world that would 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.600 never do anything like this or ever engage in a 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.400 show that would cause any controversy Ashley Hike and Eddie. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.680 So Chris Harrison, I hosted this with Jason, and I 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.840 honestly felt like it was a very fair interview with Jason. 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:40.040 It didn't bash Kaitlin and didn't bash Jason. It was 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:41.959 just getting you know, the story out there. And obviously 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:44.800 we see in headlines right now with Kaitlin kind of 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.079 talking about that relationship once again with some issues she 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:51.400 has with how he named the dog the baby name 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.320 that she wanted to have. We'll talk about that at 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.680 a later date. So what I did was immediately not 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.040 go on social media. And maybe it's because of my 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.520 discomfort with social media, or it's that I don't want 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:08.240 to open up a can of worms and explode an 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:12.480 issue into the universe so that everybody feels like they 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.960 have the right to share their opinion on it. So 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.760 what I do I called Caitlin and I said, Hey, Caitlin, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.440 I saw you said this, what's going on? 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:20.880 Like? 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.000 Can we talk this out? Can we figure this out 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.000 so that this doesn't have to be a headline any 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.040 longer because I don't like them being headlined. It does 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.360 feel like Ashley, and I say that to say, it 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:33.720 does feel like this next generation of contestants are more 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:37.680 comfortable with the drama being aired out within the public 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.480 sphere and headlines being made. And so I would say, 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.840 with my skepticism and cynicism towards what's happening with the 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.800 franchise right now and trying to make sense of the 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.960 generation behind us ten years whatever, growing up and what 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.640 they're feeling and dealing with emotionally, is that this is 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:01.480 a great grab for attention. Drama seems to be the 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.240 catalyst to keep people's names in the headlines, because bachelor 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:06.840 people don't have a lot of ways to keep our 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.440 names in the headlines unless we're dating somebody new, we're 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.520 having babies, or we're causing drama. People aren't posting about 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.080 us because they see us out having dinner as some 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.200 fancy restaurant. No, they're posting about it because of the 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.840 drama that's associated with the people that come from the franchise. 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.240 And so I say that, are people making a too 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.960 big of a deal about her or they playing into 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.680 it too much? I don't know how to answer that, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.680 because it feels like it works. It feels like drama 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.520 is the thing that keeps people relevant, and I think 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.480 that's a new thing because I don't personally want drama 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:41.440 to be the way that people remember me, know me, 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.120 or associate me with somebody else. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.240 Yeah, I'm scared of confrontation, so it's not my way either, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.040 says the girl who had plenty of confrontation on the show. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.920 But still it's scary to me, and I wouldn't handle 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.240 it like this as well. But you are spot on. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.320 It makes headlines, So if you feel like you want 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:01.960 a headline, just go for it. 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.800 Yes, I mean that make that TikTok. Make that Instagram 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.640 reil exactly. Yeah, make it because it works. And so 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:11.400 I don't know if it's too big of a dealer 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.960 or not. It's working for what they want it to be. 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.120 Yeah, I just think it's a very unhealthy path to 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:24.160 go down, and it feels very heavy and it doesn't 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.520 feel life giving. So I mean, I think I would 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.760 finalize it in saying this for any listener out there, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.840 at what point in your life has had having a 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.680 dramatic confrontation with somebody caused you to feel more alive 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.800 or free or more joy filled? At what point has 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:46.800 that ever happened in your life? And so why would 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:51.040 you want to perpetuate these situations to be lasting longer 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.360 than they need to be in the public sphere. I 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.040 think over time it will start to wear on humans. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.920 I think over time we'll start to see people get 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.760 really upset in these situations. And then my final point is, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.800 at what point is too far too far? Like, at 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:10.639 what point does you not healing this issue become too 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:15.080 much and it actually ends up hurting somebody personally? And 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.400 that's something I don't think any human yet wants to do, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.680 is actually hurt people personally. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.280 I could make a joke by saying that my bad 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:26.080 lance confrontation did did put me on a track that 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.800 helped my life. But that's a one instance type thing. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.399 Yeah, you got lucky, You got lucky, But what happened 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.639 to the other person? They disappeared. We've never seen him again, Ashley, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:51.600 you did? Goodness gracious? All right? Back to you here? 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.080 Do you feel like the Bachelor franchise demands too much 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.199 perfectionism from its leads? Now, we've talked about this a 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.600 lot in the past, and you just brought it up 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.240 with Letia on you know, she stood up for herself 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:06.240 and then people say, well, we saw a new side 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.200 of her, Ashley, When when the question is asked you 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.600 do you feel like it asks too much, demands too 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.360 much perfectionism from its leads, And let's add in its 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.120 you know, top cast members. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.000 I was gonna say that maybe they're I of course 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.560 do not have the answers, but I do feel like 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:31.800 the cast if you show more like flaws, more vulnerabilities, 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:38.080 more relatability, you get really you get a lot of likes, 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.320 Like a lot of people will gravitate towards you. The 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:46.800 lead probably has less room to show flaws, and if 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:50.560 they do, they need to like really talk it out. 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:52.520 I might be making this up at the top of 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.800 my head, but like I'm thinking that if you're like 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.560 I don't know what to do, like I'm very emotional 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.680 about this, that goes over well. I think what happened 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:07.200 with Grant was that, like he didn't show enough thought process. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.040 It's kind of like in school when they're like show 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.480 your work, you know, your math work, Like give us 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.119 everything that you're thinking of, and that is going to 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:22.160 make you likable. And if you're not giving a lot 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.840 of your if you're not explaining a lot of yourself 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:29.520 or showing enough emotion, then that is not gonna make 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:35.920 you as likable. So like, if you're imperfect, show why 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.320 you're imperfects that Restante might being crazy. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.239 No, I think what you're you're looking for is one 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.119 of the characteristics of a lead has to be vulnerability 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:50.359 and the ability to communicate your feelings and emotions at 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:54.000 all points, even if you're feeling crazy and you're like, 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.720 I love two people. I don't know what to do 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:02.639 about this. I think explaining that, which the producers typically 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.639 do a very good job at getting that out of 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.879 you along the way, because it's not necessarily how we 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:10.879 function in our normal lives, but it is the ability 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:15.000 to communicate what you're feeling internally, and sometimes it's communicating 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.040 things that you don't even know you're feeling internally and 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.320 until you start processing this stuff out. And I think 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.240 that is the mark of a good lead. So perfectionism 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.359 is an interesting word to use, or to be asked 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:32.280 here from one of our listeners, because I don't know 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.840 how often the leads need to be perfect. 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:38.840 Exactly as much as they need to be communicative. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.560 Communicative, and they are held to a different standard in 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.240 an environment that nobody watching has ever been in, and 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:51.240 so sometimes perfect within this environment of dating a bunch 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.280 of people and processing a bunch of emotions and trying 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:57.640 to filter through your way through this process, perfect looks 0:20:57.680 --> 0:20:59.560 different than what it would in the normal life, and 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.200 so we don't don't even recognize the perfect choice sometimes 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.920 until it's too late, or until it's years later when 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.160 somebody else does the same thing and we're like, wait, 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.439 maybe that does make sense. Maybe that is how this 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.040 is supposed to go. Maybe those are the emotions you're 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:17.439 supposed to be processing. And so I don't know if 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.600 it's held to perfectionism, but I do know that criticism 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.480 comes in and is unwarranted based on the environment that 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:27.560 the leads are trying to go through because nobody can 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.199 relate with it. They can't see it and be like, 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.040 that's what I would do if I was dating ten 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:32.639 women at once, That's what I would do if I 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:34.840 was dating ten minute ones. They don't get it. We 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.320 don't get it until you're in it. 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:41.159 Yeah, totally so well put, Ben, when you thought of 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.800