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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Nice Podcast. Today we

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Speaker 2: are going to do a little Q and a sash

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Speaker 2: looking at this first bullet point we've got here, Ben,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about making the top four bachelor

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Speaker 2: Hottest Bachelor's in Histories list on Reddit?

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Speaker 3: I will say this to be honest, like this, this

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Speaker 3: feels good, Like I didn't realize I needed this today,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't need this. I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking at this bracket here, so you know,

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Speaker 2: it's March madness, you know, continuing into April. So the

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Speaker 2: Reddit boards did a bracket with all the bachelors and

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Speaker 2: you Grant Ellis of course, Jesse Palmer and Joey.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are the top four.

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Speaker 2: You guys are going into the you know what is

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Speaker 2: the top four called the final the Final four. You're

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Speaker 2: the final four. I went, you know, I went to Syracuse.

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Speaker 2: Back then we used to be part of this all

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Speaker 2: the time, but now not so much. And it has

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Speaker 2: you have been eliminated. When it comes to the top

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Speaker 2: the final, the head to head is actually against Jesse

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Speaker 2: Palmer and Joey and Joey has won the Hottest Bachelor

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Speaker 2: bracket overall.

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Speaker 3: Feelings Again, I didn't know I needed this today I did.

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Speaker 3: It feels good to me. I don't win many things

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Speaker 3: in my life. I'm never like a top dog, but

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Speaker 3: it's good to be considered at least not like the

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Speaker 3: last place person. That would really hurt if I saw this,

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Speaker 3: If you guys posted this and I had gotten knocked

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Speaker 3: out in the first round by Colton Underwood, I would

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Speaker 3: be so sad. First off, I'll say that's a tough

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Speaker 3: matchup for me, right off the back. Colton Underwood, you know,

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Speaker 3: handsome guy, good looking, works out all the time, so

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Speaker 3: a tough matchup. Then I went on to a prince,

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Speaker 3: and I beat a prince. I would say this road

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Speaker 3: to the final four was not easy for me. Joey

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Speaker 3: is a very attractive man. I'll spend a second here

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Speaker 3: talking about why he beat me. One. He's got the smile,

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Speaker 3: he's got the eyes, he's got the hair. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: got the hair. I saw him on Dance with the Stars.

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Speaker 3: There's a reason why he danced with his shirt off

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Speaker 3: the whole time, even though he has insanely sweaty armpits.

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Speaker 3: They still said, let that sweat show because he's a

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Speaker 3: hot man. He's a hot man, and he beat me.

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Speaker 3: I also say this, Actually, I said the same thing

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Speaker 3: to my dad. My dad's a big Purdue basketball fan.

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Speaker 3: They get beat by Houston last week, and I told

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Speaker 3: him this, Dad, you know how good it feels now

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Speaker 3: you got beat? That stinks. Nobody likes losing. I don't

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Speaker 3: like losing. I don't like looking at this losing. But

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Speaker 3: you got beat by the potential national champions in the

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Speaker 3: Houston Cougars. You could honestly be the second best team

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Speaker 3: in the country. And I'll say that about this bracket.

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Speaker 3: Joey wins the whole thing against Jesse Palmer. I lost

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Speaker 3: to the champion, and I had a tough road to

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Speaker 3: get there. I feel good about my effort. I'm very

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Speaker 3: thankful for the work that's put into this. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to think my parents and my wife for her skincare routines.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to think the show for picking me when

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Speaker 3: I was twenty five years old and kind of at

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Speaker 3: my prime, Like that's not I wasn't a thirty year

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Speaker 3: old bachelor. I didn't started aging yet. I was just

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Speaker 3: reaching my peak when I became the bachelor, but this

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Speaker 3: is a wild bracket. It could have hurt me so bad.

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Speaker 3: But instead I'm going to tell my wife I made

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Speaker 3: the final four of Hottest Bachelors ever.

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Speaker 2: That is amazing. I'm so happy for you, Ben, and

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Speaker 2: I agree with this. You are definitely in my top three.

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Speaker 2: I just I just said you made my top three.

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Speaker 3: Bachelors a little bit. Actually, goodness, you were like in

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Speaker 3: my top sixty.

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Speaker 4: You're out there.

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Speaker 2: I know what my top four hottest bachelors are, but like,

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Speaker 2: I'm too friendly with all of you, so I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna like, let you be in the top I'm going

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Speaker 2: ranking them one to three. That makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's I'll take it, Ashley. And I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you not crushing me. I thought for a second you're

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Speaker 3: going to turn it and be like, yeah, this was

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Speaker 3: a shock that you made the top four, and then

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Speaker 2: Be like, no, no, it's you know, and if we

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Speaker 2: didn't work together, I would probably say that you were Well,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not going to go further, not

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Speaker 2: but if I were to like, not look at you brotherly,

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Speaker 2: I wonder where you you know, I'm just gonna shut

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Speaker 3: Here's what's impressive. And I think like we can live

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Speaker 3: on each other a little bit in this moment, and

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Speaker 3: it's really good. Typically, when you meet somebody, you either

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Speaker 3: like them less or like them more over time. Right

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Speaker 3: you're there, either become more or less attractive to you

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Speaker 3: over time after you get to know somebody well. And

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Speaker 3: I would say, after nine years of doing this, I

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Speaker 3: told it just the other day. We were talking about

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Speaker 3: curious she didn't see it, and I said, I'll tell

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Speaker 3: you this. I think I love, appreciate, and then more

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Speaker 3: attracted to Ashley every year that we host the show.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I said those exact words, but

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Speaker 3: it was the sentiment that was given to her. And

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Speaker 3: I'd say, that's a pretty big deal. For nine years doing.

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Speaker 2: This, that is so sweet. I know. Yeah, well, you

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Speaker 2: know I love those moments where I'm like, oh, Ben,

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Speaker 2: that is one of my best friends.

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Speaker 4: It's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so cool. I can't believe it. I still

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Speaker 2: think that sometimes it's cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's cool too. We got a good

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Speaker 3: thing going here, Ashley. Let's never let it stop. Speaking

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Speaker 3: of hot people, Victoria Fuller recently said she was on

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Speaker 3: the short list to be the next Bachelor at Before

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Speaker 3: the Pause. Do you think she would have brought back viewership,

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Speaker 3: like we've kind of talked about for weeks now and

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Speaker 3: what the show needs to do. Would she have been

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Speaker 2: She could have been, because one, she is just so

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Speaker 2: damn sexy. Two, she came from Peter season, which is

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest seasons of ratings over the past decade.

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Speaker 3: The cast was incredible that season.

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Speaker 2: It was great, great cast. It was the season that

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Speaker 2: I think that she brings a lot of interest. She

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Speaker 2: I could see her being like sassy as a mother effort.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I don't think I think that plays.

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Speaker 3: My only critique would be I think they had such

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Speaker 3: never would have fit Victoria Fuller. Though just in general,

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Speaker 3: being the Bachelorette would be great television. I think people

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Speaker 3: But I do also think that the fan base really

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Speaker 3: was begging for Latia to be the next Bachelorette because she,

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Speaker 3: out of anybody in years past, was like the prime candidate.

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Speaker 3: I mean, goodness gracious, they had a gift handed to

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Speaker 2: So you and I love Latia. Do you know what

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Speaker 2: I've gotten from people who've come up to me as

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Speaker 2: Bachelor fans just out and about in public, They were like,

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it, Like this darker side came out

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Speaker 2: like I have heard from many people that they were

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Speaker 2: come on, now, come on now. People were disappointed to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Yeah, I think I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: character changed. She's still the sweet but she protects herself

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Speaker 3: behind that. Let's go okay. Next question is this. I

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Speaker 3: have a lot of feelings and thoughts on this topic,

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Speaker 3: but Dylan Ephron is making headwaves right now. Right every

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Speaker 3: time I open on my Instagram, I feel like there's

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Speaker 3: article about, you know, his love interest, whatever is happening

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Speaker 3: in his life. He's blowing up, is the way to

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Speaker 3: blowing up. Would he make a good bachelor? Like, do

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Speaker 3: you see those types of people being good bachelor's or not?

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Speaker 2: I still think that this is the route that they

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Speaker 2: The amount of tiktoks that would go crazy, the TikTok

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Speaker 2: would go crazy if Dylan Ephron was the lead. We

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Speaker 2: need that, we need someone like this, Zach could make

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Speaker 2: be amazing. I'm totally down for a I don't want

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Speaker 3: I say, Dalist, maybe you'd be okay. I do think

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Speaker 3: the show is really made off of who they cast

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Speaker 3: and would they bring into Dylan Effron. I do believe

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Speaker 3: the applicants would be of all varieties and there'd be

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Speaker 3: a plenty of applicants to go through. So I do

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Speaker 3: think it could work if they casted it. Well, we

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Speaker 3: just talked about Peters season of The Bachelor. There's very

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Speaker 3: few casts outside of the season that I was the Bachelor,

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Speaker 3: because I would fight to say that was the best

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Speaker 2: I would try to say that Crystals was but all good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Crystal's also be up there. There was a season there.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say this, there was a period of time

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Speaker 3: even some people going home on Night one and we

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Speaker 3: need to get back to that, and I think that

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Speaker 3: I think the issue is maybe not with the casting

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Speaker 3: previous years, and so as a result, the show suffers.

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Speaker 3: So yes, I do think if Dylan effern was announced

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Speaker 3: with a Bachelor and they give enough time for people

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Speaker 3: to sign up, we would see a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great choice. I just don't want

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Speaker 3: to get into this. This is the celebrity dating game

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Speaker 3: where selettes are leads.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's unhealthy and it takes away from

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Speaker 3: the ethos of the show, which has always been right

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Speaker 3: to find true love. We'll see if it ever works well.

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Speaker 2: I think that people should pull more beckatillies like why

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Speaker 2: Question for you, Okay, do you feel like people take

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Speaker 3: I really like how you asked. You're like, I need

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Speaker 3: That's what you think's happening. Yeah, So were we talking

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Speaker 3: Can we talk this out? Can we figure this out

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Speaker 3: And so I say that, are people making a too

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Speaker 3: it too much? I don't know how to answer that,

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Speaker 3: because it feels like it works. It feels like drama

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Speaker 4: Yes, I mean that make that TikTok. Make that Instagram

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's a very unhealthy path to

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Speaker 3: finalize it in saying this for any listener out there,

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Speaker 2: I could make a joke by saying that my bad

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got lucky, You got lucky, But what happened

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Speaker 3: you did? Goodness gracious? All right? Back to you here?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel like the Bachelor franchise demands too much

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that maybe they're I of course

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like in school when they're like show

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Speaker 3: No, I think what you're you're looking for is one

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Speaker 2: Exactly as much as they need to be communicative.

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Speaker 3: Communicative, and they are held to a different standard in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally so well put, Ben, when you thought of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have somebody in your head when you

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Speaker 3: to know you better, and I want to know you better.

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Speaker 3: So let's talk as much as we can in the

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Speaker 3: ask the questions that are needed to be asked so

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Speaker 3: to know you better, and then as a result, it

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Speaker 3: kind of forces the lead to process those stories externally

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Speaker 3: that mindset of we want to know the cast really

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Speaker 3: well and is whatever time we have with them. And

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Speaker 3: as a result, the viewers got to know them really

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Speaker 3: well too, because we were getting things out of them

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Speaker 3: that other leads maybe wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you. There, so well thought out.

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Speaker 3: Then well, goodness, Well, Ashley, I do have a question

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Speaker 3: then if any of these others that the listeners wrote

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Speaker 3: in you're interested in asking me, we can. It's a

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Speaker 3: big question. Once your honest thoughts. OK, So I need

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Speaker 3: mode without fear of any confrontation. Yeah, confrontation. Do you

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, No, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you know why, Like you don't have to, don't

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Speaker 3: was shared, and we're like, Kelly, we want nothing but

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Speaker 2: I feel like both of them should probably maybe date

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Speaker 2: both have had very public relationships and like there's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great point, and I think

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Speaker 3: you're spot on, and it was a very nice way

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Speaker 3: of saying this, I think both of them are huge personalities,

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Speaker 3: Cat in Jason scenario, where their relationship becomes a social

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Speaker 3: media like front, and that their relationship becomes so social

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Speaker 3: Kocconnell says it right. Every time they went to dinner,

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Speaker 3: what did Matt do? He was filming the dinner. At

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Speaker 3: some point that becomes unhealthy. And so what happens I

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Speaker 3: think in these relationships with huge personalities like the two

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Speaker 3: They need somebody that can support and stand back and

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Speaker 3: doing their thing, and that I think those two things

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little yin yang there. Alrighty well, guys, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We'll be back later

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Speaker 2: this week with headlines and yeah, headlines and anything else

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna talk about Gabby. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 3: the Caitlin Bristow scenario in more detail. We're going to

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Speaker 3: be yeah, the Gabby and Clayton thing that just happened

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Speaker 3: on a recent podcast. Will also be sharing some updates

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Speaker 3: and relationships along with any more information we have on

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Speaker 3: this Tyler Cameron grant Ellis drama. So there is some

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Speaker 3: big headline sitting out there that we're going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about, breaking down and possibly bringing on some guests

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Speaker 3: to speak with us about. Hey, until next time, I've

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Speaker 3: been Ben, I've been Ashley.

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Speaker 2: See you guys.

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