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Speaker 1: Welcome to this League Uncut. Can you rule of twenty

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Speaker 2: This's you'l.

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Speaker 1: Chris Hands. It's so time, work's time, It's so time.

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Speaker 1: This League Uncut is underway and on fire. This should

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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, great to have you with us for another

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Speaker 2: A good one, we hope.

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Speaker 3: So because it's a big week, a huge week, a

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Speaker 3: crazy time in the NBA that is already off to

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Speaker 3: a wild and chaotic start. It's Draft week Monday night

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Speaker 3: as we record this Tuesday morning release for this edition

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Speaker 3: of this League Uncut, and we've already had a blockbuster

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Speaker 3: trade Sunday, the Suns and the Wizards come to turn

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Speaker 3: on a Bradley Beal deal. Bradley Beal going to the

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Speaker 3: Suns for nothing more than Chris Paul's expiring contract, Landry Shammitt,

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Speaker 3: a slew of second round picks, maybe another small contract

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Speaker 3: or two thrown into the deal. But this thing happened quick,

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Speaker 3: It kind of came out. It was the weekend when

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Speaker 3: we basically heard that the Wizards had zeroed in on

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Speaker 3: either Miami or Phoenix. And it certainly does appear that

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Speaker 3: Miami was not ready to move as quickly as the

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Speaker 3: Wizards would have liked, whereas.

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Speaker 2: The Suns were highly motivated.

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Speaker 3: To move quickly because Chris Paul's contract, the centerpiece of

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Speaker 3: this deal, of course, has the guarantee date on June

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Speaker 3: twenty eighth. The Suns had told Chris Paul, as our

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Speaker 3: own Chris Haynes reported as our own Chris Haynes first

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Speaker 3: reported the Suns was it two weeks ago had informed Paul,

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Speaker 3: they were going to waive him if they couldn't trade him.

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Speaker 2: But they did find a trade. I mean, this is.

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Speaker 3: You know, for the Wizards, it's really the only deal

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Speaker 3: they could make. It's the only way to start their rebuild.

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Speaker 3: That no trade clause that they needlessly and inexplicably gave

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Speaker 3: Mark Bartelstein all the control. They were basically able to

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Speaker 3: pick their destination. But for the Wizards to start over

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Speaker 3: getting off Bill's long term money, they basically had to

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Speaker 3: they've taken a deal that doesn't look great. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I frankly don't love it for either team.

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Speaker 3: But you tell me, Chris Haynes, you've been covering this

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Speaker 3: one as closely as anyone. What was what was your

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Speaker 4: I thought Miami would be in the driver's seat because

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Speaker 4: I felt even if brad wanted to go to Phoenix

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Speaker 4: first and foremost, I felt like, well, I thought the

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Speaker 4: they can get more from Miami opposed to Phoenix. So

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Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be a little bit

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Speaker 4: more fighting in that regard from Bill's camp and the Wizards,

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Speaker 4: but there was not, which shows which tells you that

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Speaker 4: the Wizards were prepared with this new regime with Winger

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Speaker 4: as the head of basket operations over there, they were

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Speaker 4: prepared to go into a rebuild at any costs. You know,

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Speaker 4: they looked at it, and again, you know, they didn't

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Speaker 4: I mean Stein, They're not going to have a pick

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Speaker 4: which means they put all of their chips in. They

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Speaker 4: I think players are going to come and play for

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Speaker 4: Phoenix is not a bad place to stay, not definitely

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Speaker 4: accomplish accomplish that. But what the pieces fit, that's the

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Speaker 4: big question. Will the pieces fit. Who's going to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, we've talked already for weeks about what

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Speaker 3: not just that the Suns are going to be lacking

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Speaker 3: like the tools to change their team. Like basically, the

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Speaker 2: We went all in on Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 3: Then the rules changed, so we're gonna go even farther

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Speaker 3: all in while we still can. And just the problem

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Speaker 3: that's why around the league, so many people are expecting

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Speaker 3: that DeAndre Ayton has to get moved, if not immediately,

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Speaker 2: So you know, what can they get for Ayton? I mean,

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Speaker 3: they'll figure out the ball handling, but everything else man again,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Phoenix initially try to include Ayton in the deal.

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Speaker 4: It was gonna be Ayton, and believe Sammon, the Wizards

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Speaker 4: there where the Sons probably feel like they can get

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Speaker 4: So again, kudos to Matt Ishpia, James Jones. They went

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Speaker 4: saw Chris Paul's let me see, he went on Good

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Speaker 4: Morning America First he's doing his tour the name of

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Speaker 4: his book sixty one, so doing his book tour. Story

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Speaker 4: he found out that he was traded via his son,

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Speaker 4: he did the story with the did an interview with

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Speaker 4: The New York Times. Stein, Can you elaborate on that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the New York Times, my former Employeyers and

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Speaker 3: And in that interview with Soapin Chris Paul twice referred

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Speaker 3: Isaiah of course refers to Isaiah Thomas. You reported at

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Speaker 3: the time, just as Ishbia was going to be formally

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Speaker 3: Of course we saw him sitting next to Ishba at

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Speaker 3: he basically made it sound like Isaiah was co making

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Speaker 4: what was not expecting that during his book tour? Was

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Speaker 4: not expecting that at all. What I will say about

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Speaker 4: a few more rounds of book tours. So I hope,

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Speaker 4: I hope whoever is interviewing him really go ahead ask

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Speaker 4: I know that an interview is about the about the book,

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Speaker 4: but you know this, Chris Paul is in the news.

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Speaker 4: You got to do your job, journalists, journalists, you gotta

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Speaker 4: do your job. Ask some questions, Ask some basketball questions.

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Speaker 4: You know, just there's some answers that need to be

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Speaker 4: to ask some questions, see what you can get. But

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Speaker 4: you know, I think right now you're looking at what

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Speaker 4: what is the future for Chris Paul. So I reported yesterday, Well,

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Speaker 4: it would have been Sunday that the Los Angeles Clippers

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Speaker 4: going with Chris Paul. So the Clippers right now Marin

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Speaker 4: or if this is or if it would be a

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Speaker 4: second trade that would get Chris Paul out of Washington.

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Speaker 4: Chris Paul would not be a member of the Washington

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Speaker 4: Wizards for long. I just don't know if it's going

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Speaker 4: except for the trade or wave or wave.

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Speaker 3: Naturally, it behooves the Clippers to try to swoop in

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Speaker 3: letting him hit the market as an unrestricted free agent.

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Speaker 3: If again, the initial the initial word from the Suns

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Speaker 3: Well, we know we know who the there's only one

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Speaker 2: So I'm going with what you read, just my read?

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Speaker 3: It's not like he told you, Chris, will you please,

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Speaker 4: We've had convers like I know some you know, some

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Speaker 3: need some help now with what's actually going to be

436
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Speaker 3: going down Thursday night in Brooklyn at the Draft. Neither

437
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: one of us are super super well versed in the

438
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Speaker 3: broad matters of the draft. I've said it a bazillion

439
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Speaker 3: times over the last really two decades. I think covering

440
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Speaker 3: the NBA Draft. To really do it well, you got

441
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 3: to kind of make it your life. It's a year

442
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Speaker 3: round job in itself. I loved throughout my ESBN years

443
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: fifteen years of ESBN, Chad Ford handled every ounce of

444
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Speaker 3: the draft and I could just kind of swoop in

445
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Speaker 3: at the end for trades.

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Speaker 2: And today I am very.

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Speaker 3: Lucky, and we are lucky because a good friend of mine,

448
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Speaker 3: my Dallas neighbor, Raphael Barlow, the director of scouting for

449
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: NBA Big Board, which is actually a substack that Chad

450
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: Ford started. Mister Barlow has taken it over, has done

451
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: a tremendous job with it. If you are an NBA draftnick,

452
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: I urge you to check out his substack because he's

453
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: got it all going on there about all the candidates

454
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Speaker 3: for the fifty eight draft slots Thursday night. Of course,

455
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: we won't have sixty players taken. We'll only have fifty

456
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Speaker 3: eight picks in this draft because of some second rounders

457
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Speaker 3: that have been docked for free agent misdeeds. But that's

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Speaker 3: a story for another day. Tell us man, ro, it's

459
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Speaker 3: great to have you with us. I know you're already

460
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Speaker 3: in New York. We can hear we can hear you

461
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Speaker 3: the background noise. You're right in the heart of the

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Speaker 3: league's official draft hotel where it's all happening.

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Speaker 2: Awesome to have you with us, man.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you guys for the opportunity. Been listening since

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Speaker 5: day one, and I still laugh at the pizza and

466
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Speaker 5: the dogs in the background. So yeah, I'm just glad

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Speaker 5: to be on. Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna try not to I don't know. I can't promise.

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Speaker 3: We're going to try to have no Chris Haynes instigated

470
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Speaker 3: incidents in this pody.

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Speaker 4: He might beat us today to where he's at. Scoot

472
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Speaker 4: Anderson might pop up from behind him.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, you know if Scoot walks by, if if

474
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: Wenby walks by, and you won't just want to pull

475
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: him into the pod, you know you have a you

476
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Speaker 3: have licensed to do. So let's let's start here. Obviously,

477
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna scoop you right now. Victor wen Minyama is

478
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Speaker 3: going number one on Thursday Night. That we know that,

479
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Speaker 3: we all know that we can promise.

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Speaker 2: But it is there.

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Speaker 3: Do you see any chance that that someone else infiltrates

482
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Speaker 3: two three and it wouldn't be Brandon Miller or Scoot

483
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Speaker 3: Henderson in those two spots.

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Speaker 5: No, I think there. I think it's set. Now which

485
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Speaker 5: order is I don't know. I mean you've heard that

486
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Speaker 5: the Hornets like Brandon Miller, and then now you're starting.

487
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Speaker 6: To hear that they're like school. I did an.

488
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Speaker 5: Interview with one of the I Guess betting sites and

489
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Speaker 5: they said the odds are at Scoot. Now I'm not

490
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Speaker 5: a betting man, but that's what they're saying. But other

491
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 5: than that, I think the top three are locks. Definitely

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Speaker 5: with Weinbyama.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 5: I'm just in the lobby now and I've seen plenty

495
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Speaker 5: of guys when Victorama.

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Speaker 6: Spurs Jersey, so I guess they are.

497
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're ready for him to hit Alamo City. But

498
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Speaker 5: like I said, I think one, two, three are locked.

499
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Speaker 5: I just don't know the order for two and three.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's Charlotte.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, we were told brought in Scoot Henderson and Brandon

502
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Speaker 3: Miller one more time to start this week off? What's

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Speaker 3: your best forecast? As you know this is going to

504
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Speaker 3: drop on Tuesday, two days before the draft? What do

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Speaker 3: you What do you think Charlotte is really doing?

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Speaker 5: Man, I think they're they're really undecided. I personally think

507
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: that Brandon Miller is the better fit, and they may

508
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 5: have some reservations about school and LaMelo playing together. I

509
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 5: think if they didn't, then it would be a no brainer.

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Speaker 5: But right now, I think they're gonna go with Brandon Miller.

511
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Speaker 5: I think they're gonna entertain, you know, trading to pick

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Speaker 5: and see what they can get for it. But I

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Speaker 5: think at it on Tuesday night, I'm sorry, Thursday night.

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Speaker 5: I think they're gonna go with Brandon Miller.

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Speaker 4: I know you can't or be I know, you can't

516
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Speaker 4: predict what's going to happen, what teamers are going to

517
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 4: move in and swoop in. But as far as what

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Speaker 4: you're hearing at the two three slot, do you have

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Speaker 4: any pulse on if those teams are two to three

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Speaker 4: Charlotte and Portland. Do you have any pulse on if

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Speaker 4: they will keep that pick?

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Speaker 6: I don't. I mean, I've heard the rumors.

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Speaker 5: I had an agent tell me that he thinks that

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Speaker 5: the Siakam to Portland rumors. He thinks they're real, whether

525
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: or not they happen or not, but he thinks that

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Speaker 5: they're They're definitely kicking.

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Speaker 6: The tires there.

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Speaker 5: And then we've all heard the rumors about the Hornets

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Speaker 5: wanting Zion, and then I've heard Brandon Miller and I'm.

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Speaker 6: Sorry, Brandon Negrom.

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Speaker 5: It's weird because just a few months ago they were

532
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Speaker 5: talking about this is a great draft, and now we're

533
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Speaker 5: in a situation where teams two, three, full maybe even

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Speaker 5: five would.

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Speaker 6: Be ready to trade out of the pick.

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Speaker 5: So but no, I don't have a post just hearing

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Speaker 5: like the rumors that they are open.

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Speaker 2: To to possibly.

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Speaker 6: Move in the picks.

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Speaker 4: How deep is this draft?

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Speaker 2: Arf?

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00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 4: Can talk you talk about that, like how if obviously

543
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: anything can happen, Guys develop and guys blossom and come

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Speaker 4: into you know, become something that we didn't intend on.

545
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Speaker 4: But just right now early on, like how deep is

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Speaker 4: this draft? You know, Indiana Pacers they're trying to move

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Speaker 4: their pick at number seven as well, So like how

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Speaker 4: many stars right now? Do you see? I'm not gonna

549
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Speaker 4: hold you to it later on, but it's just right now.

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Speaker 5: I think it's more so deep and complimentary guys. I mean,

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00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 5: even like the worst teams for the Houston or this Detroit,

552
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Speaker 5: they have their their guys already. So I think the

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Speaker 5: draft is deep in finding like complimentary pieces that compliment that.

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Speaker 6: The stars that they have in place.

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Speaker 5: I think as far as stars, i'd say, I mean

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Speaker 5: historically picks one, two and three don't all make the

557
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Speaker 5: Star team. I think twenty sixteen was a rare year

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Speaker 5: with Ben Simmons and Brandon Ingram and Jalen Brown. I'd

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Speaker 5: say maybe four all stars in this class, just being realistic,

560
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Speaker 5: but you just never know.

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Speaker 6: I remember twenty twenty, we thought that.

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Speaker 5: Was a week class, and I think we overanalyzed it

563
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Speaker 5: because of COVID and how long the process was.

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Speaker 6: But if you look at twenty twenty with LaMelo and.

565
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Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards and Halla Burton and Tyrese Maxi, that was

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Speaker 5: considered to be a weak class and it turned out

567
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Speaker 5: to be one of the better classes over the past

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Speaker 5: few years. So it's kind of hard to predict how

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Speaker 5: good this class will be. But I would say four

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Speaker 5: all stars.

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Speaker 3: I think since last week you've had Bill all Koolibali,

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Speaker 3: who is we've seen him as Webin Yama's teammate in

573
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Speaker 3: the French League. You've had him going number nine to

574
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Speaker 3: Utah since last week, higher than most people have projected him.

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Speaker 2: What are you seeing out of Wemby's teammate?

576
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Speaker 3: And I mean Utah was a really tough team to

577
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: try to pinpoint what they're gonna do because Danny Ainge

578
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: loves to confuse us all.

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Speaker 2: What's kind of led you to rate him so highly?

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Speaker 5: Actually, I just talked to someone that was that's pretty

581
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 5: connected to the situation and I jokingly say, yeah, I

582
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 5: got him going nine, and they said, oh, he might

583
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 5: be going higher than that, So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 5: But I just think the trajectory I first saw him

585
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: play eighteen months ago in Paris, and I'm be honest

586
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 5: with you, I didn't go to Paris to watch Lao

587
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 5: Kulabali play. I want to go watch Victor play. And

588
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 5: it just so happened Victor's team because he played for

589
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 5: as Vil last year.

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Speaker 6: They were playing.

591
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Speaker 5: The Metropolitans ninety two and they have like an under

592
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Speaker 5: twenty one league. And I went to that game and

593
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 5: nobody heard him a loud. I sat there with Mike

594
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 5: Schmidz from ESPN and we had to go online just

595
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Speaker 5: to find his name.

596
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Speaker 6: And I thought, you know, he had some physical tools

597
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 6: that he could be in a prospect.

598
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Speaker 5: But in my mind, I'm thinking twenty twenty five draft,

599
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four at the earliest. And I even went

600
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 5: to watch him in September this year and I went

601
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Speaker 5: to watch him at the under twenty one game and

602
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 5: he showed some flashes.

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Speaker 6: He had a really good game, and I thought, Okay, yeah,

604
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Speaker 6: this this is that is going to be a first

605
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Speaker 6: round pick in twenty twenty four.

606
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Speaker 5: And I don't think people remember that. When they had

607
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 5: the WINB Scoot showcase in Vegas back in October, he

608
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 5: got in that game, Like people don't remember he was

609
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 5: like a fish out of water.

610
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Speaker 6: But he's just got better and better and better.

611
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 5: He had some injuries that opened up playing time, and

612
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 5: then he was trending in the right direction at the

613
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Speaker 5: right time. During the Metropolitans playoff run, he just, I

614
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 5: mean just turned into a different player with his athleticism

615
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 5: and his ability to impact games without dominating the ball.

616
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: So I think based off of like how he's developed

617
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 5: over the last eighteen months, there's some recency bias, but

618
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 5: he measures well, he's athletic, and so I think that

619
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Speaker 5: is the reason why he's basically go onto in my opinion,

620
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 5: changed the lottery. He could be one of the guys

621
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Speaker 5: that goes anywhere from maybe six to ten, which is

622
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Speaker 5: something that we would have never talked about maybe two

623
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Speaker 5: months ago, maybe even six weeks.

624
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Speaker 4: Ago, or be that that individual might be the answer

625
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 4: for my question that I have coming up. But I

626
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Speaker 4: want to ask you look into your crystal ball, who

627
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 4: would you think would be the still of this draft?

628
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: If you had two candidates to pick from when we're

629
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Speaker 4: talking about this five years later, which guys you think

630
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: has the potential be the steals of this draft?

631
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Speaker 6: I'd say one is Blad Black Gulabali.

632
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 5: Obviously he has the exposure just because he's played with

633
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 5: win Byama.

634
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 6: I would say Gigi Jackson.

635
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 5: Gigi is interesting because he was the number one player

636
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: in his high school class. He reclassified up, and you

637
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: can make a case and say it could have been

638
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: a mistake because.

639
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty four class is considered to be weak.

640
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 5: If he stays in his normal draft class, then he

641
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 5: could have been at a top five pick.

642
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 6: There are some concerns about maturity.

643
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: He's an eighteen year old kid that started the season

644
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: off at seventeen. I think that just as far as

645
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 5: just talent wise, I think he's a top ten talent

646
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 5: in his draft. But I think honestly that reclassifying up

647
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 5: hurt him as far as like the maturity and developmental stage.

648
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 5: I think basically skipped the step. But I think that

649
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 5: a team probably selects him late in the first round,

650
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Speaker 5: and if he develops, I think he could end up

651
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 5: being like the guy that GMS five years later. Like Man,

652
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 5: we saw the talent, we just were scared to take

653
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: that risk. So those are my two.

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Speaker 3: Rafael Barlow, the director of scouting for NBA Big Board,

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Speaker 3: our special guest here on this League uncut helping us

656
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Speaker 3: preview Thursday's NBA draft because he has studied all of them,

657
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Speaker 3: these guys, that's his full time gig. I noticed on

658
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Speaker 3: your latest mock draft that came out Monday, you had

659
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Speaker 3: Taylor Hendrix at number twelve going to the Thunder. Has

660
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Speaker 3: he slipped some has he you know? Has he has?

661
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Speaker 3: Is he falling out of the top ten? Is that

662
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Speaker 3: kind of the chatter and buzz that you've been hearing.

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Speaker 5: No, not necessarily, Well, I say that if he is,

664
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Speaker 5: it's not because he's done anything to fall I just

665
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 5: think that Blao has moved up and has blumped somebody down.

666
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Speaker 5: And then I think Derek Lively, who I've been high

667
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 5: on for the last few months. I think that Lively

668
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Speaker 5: has really turned the corner and had some really good workouts.

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Speaker 6: Seven to one.

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Speaker 5: He's up to two thirty five now. And he didn't

671
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 5: shoot the ball really at all at Duke, only average

672
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Speaker 5: five points per game, but just was dominant defensively in

673
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Speaker 5: the second half of the year.

674
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Speaker 6: And then he had a Pro Day where he knocked

675
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Speaker 6: down fourteen threes in a row.

676
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: He showed some flashes, have been able to knock down

677
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 5: open shots at the prep levels, but thinking in some

678
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 5: of the pro days, in the individual workouts, he's shown

679
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Speaker 5: that the touch is real, and so I think some

680
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 5: teams may see him as a guy that's ready to

681
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Speaker 5: come in and contribute right away on the glass from

682
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Speaker 5: the defensive end and then could be like this versatile

683
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Speaker 5: rim protector, vertical lop threat, slash picking pop threat down

684
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Speaker 5: the line.

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Speaker 6: So I think Lively is more of another.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad you brought him up, because, again, as

687
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Speaker 3: I've noted many times about myself, I don't do a

688
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Speaker 3: lot of draft coverage. But I did have a Derek

689
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Speaker 3: Lively note in my Monday notebook because more than one

690
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Speaker 3: team I've I guess because I'm based in Dallas and

691
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Speaker 3: I've covered the Mavericks for so long, these teams felt

692
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Speaker 3: like they wanted to share this with me. But I've

693
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: been hearing all these Tyson Chandler comparisons, and he's Tyson

694
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Speaker 3: to two point zero. I mean, how realistic do you

695
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Speaker 3: think it is that he could live up to that?

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Speaker 5: You know, honestly, that was my prediction coming into the season.

697
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 5: I thought he first of all, physically, he kind of

698
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 5: looks like like Tyson.

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Speaker 6: As far as just like the dimensions.

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Speaker 5: And then if you remember, Tyson was like a great

701
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Speaker 5: offensive player in high school, but then he just kind

702
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Speaker 5: of settled into this role in the NBA as you know,

703
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Speaker 5: your live threat. And I felt like I wouldn't be

704
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Speaker 5: surprised if Lively just kind of settles into this role

705
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Speaker 5: as just a vertical lob threat, the guy that plays

706
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Speaker 5: at the dunker spot. But there are similarities there, and

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Speaker 5: I think that it's fair.

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Speaker 6: It's fair, especially if you live in Dallas.

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Speaker 5: And of course people in Dallas are always gonna remember

710
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Speaker 5: Tyson from being on the championship teams. But I do

711
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Speaker 5: think that the buzz would Lively to Dallas. I think

712
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Speaker 5: it is legit.

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Speaker 4: I think it's real legit. RB. Can you take us

714
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Speaker 4: behind the scenes with you being there in New York,

715
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Speaker 4: you being there with with all the draft prospects, the

716
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Speaker 4: top guys, agents, executives. How will your board in the

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Speaker 4: next two days lead up to the draft? How will

718
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Speaker 4: your board change? Would it be dramatic change it from

719
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Speaker 4: now to then? And like, what what do you hear

720
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Speaker 4: in the next two days that would initiate you moving

721
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Speaker 4: guys up or down? He's walk us through, like what

722
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Speaker 4: these next two days are like for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean this is my first, my first time

724
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Speaker 5: being in New York at the draft, and of course

725
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Speaker 5: you know when you hear things, you gotta take away

726
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 5: to figure what's coming from. The agents are probably gonna

727
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 5: tell me that their guy is moving up and so on.

728
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Speaker 5: I mean, right now, I think my board is solid.

729
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 5: I mean, as I'm saying this, NASTI the Thompson Twins,

730
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Speaker 5: they just they just pulled up, but they just pulled

731
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Speaker 5: it behind me. But I think my board is solid.

732
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Speaker 5: But I do think it can change if some trades

733
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Speaker 5: are made. So I think, like, for example, if Detroit

734
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Speaker 5: moves up to two, I'm just throwing something out that

735
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Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna select school. I think they're

736
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 5: going for Brandon Miller just because it just makes the

737
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 5: most sense there. But I think it's I mean, it's

738
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 5: pretty solid. I mean can be fluid here and there,

739
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Speaker 5: especially after.

740
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Speaker 6: The lottery, but I think the lottery is pretty solid.

741
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Speaker 3: Among the Thompson twins. How much competition is there amongst

742
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: the two of them, You think.

743
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Speaker 5: Well, it's funny because like on draft Twitter and on

744
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 5: mock boards, you hear that amen is higher. But just

745
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Speaker 5: from teams that I've talked to, they don't really see

746
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 5: that much of a difference. A Sword is not the

747
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 5: one that gets all the attention, but he is the

748
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Speaker 5: two time MVP of the Overtime Elite League.

749
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Speaker 6: He's the better shooter of the two, not by much.

750
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Speaker 5: I mean, they both have their their issue shooting, but

751
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 5: he's the better shooter, and some feel like he's the

752
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 5: better defender. And even if you look at their passing stats,

753
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Speaker 5: even though one played more so on the ball and

754
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 5: another off the ball, the difference between their assist numbers

755
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: is like six point one to six point two. But

756
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Speaker 5: Amen is like a phenomenal athlete. He may be the

757
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 5: best athlete in the NBA next season. So I think

758
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Speaker 5: that's why some think that he has the higher upside.

759
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Speaker 5: But honestly, I do not think that there's much of

760
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Speaker 5: a difference. And I also think that a sword his

761
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Speaker 5: best position is as a primary brought him or too.

762
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, we've talked about almost everybody in the

763
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Speaker 3: top in well maybe not almost everybody. We've talked about

764
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Speaker 3: several lottery names here without getting into Wemby.

765
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Speaker 2: We saved him for last.

766
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Speaker 3: You've obviously seen him many more times in person than

767
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: Chris or I, how would you grade his NBA readiness

768
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: today and what do you think we'll see in Summer League,

769
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Speaker 3: because it sounds like I spoke to someone who kind

770
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Speaker 3: of had a feel for san Antonio's expectations and they

771
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Speaker 3: were hopeful that he's going to play some portion of

772
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Speaker 3: Summer League, probably the veguest portion rather than Sacramento. And

773
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Speaker 3: then I think we've all seen the clip of him

774
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Speaker 3: talking after his last game in the French Finals where

775
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Speaker 3: he was asked if he plans to play Summer League

776
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Speaker 3: and he said a little bit, just I guess paint

777
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: your picture of what you've seen from when Minyama to

778
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Speaker 3: this point and what we're going to see here in

779
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks in Vegas.

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Speaker 5: A funny story, my first time saying when Mayama was

781
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: actually on my wedding night. So I got married in

782
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Speaker 5: Paris and me and my wife got married at the

783
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Speaker 5: Eiffel Tower. So we had to do it at like

784
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Speaker 5: six o'clock in the morning to make sure there was

785
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Speaker 5: nobody in our in our photo shots, and the game

786
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Speaker 5: was at nine o'clock, so I'm like, hey, you know

787
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 5: there's a game at later on tonight at nine pm.

788
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Speaker 5: You want to go check this with Miyama kid out,

789
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Speaker 5: And I mean I knew my wife would say yes,

790
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Speaker 5: and so look to the game.

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Speaker 4: We got a rider. Yeah, I gotta keep for sure.

792
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Speaker 2: It was year, what year? How long ago was that?

793
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Speaker 5: This was twenty twenty one, so this was this was

794
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Speaker 5: last season and so yeah, we went to the game

795
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Speaker 5: and of course he picks up two fouls in like

796
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 5: the first four minutes, and you know, she was enjoying

797
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 5: the experience because it was her first time in Paris

798
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 5: and so on. But it wasn't until the showcase game

799
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Speaker 5: against School in October but she thought like.

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Speaker 6: Oh, you're a you're ahead, like you're really good at this.

801
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 5: And so, I mean, everybody knew that that he was special,

802
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: but for my wife, she could tell her friends that

803
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: I saw win Beyama like two years before he made

804
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Speaker 5: it to the NBA.

805
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Speaker 6: Bady.

806
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Speaker 5: I've seen him play, I want to say five times now,

807
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 5: and the jump that he made from last year to

808
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 5: this year has been incredible. It's I wouldn't say it's

809
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 5: the Luca Doncies jump that he made from seventeen season

810
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 5: to eighteen seasons, but it's pretty close. Dodgers's competition was

811
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Speaker 5: a lot tougher, but I think when Beyama is ready

812
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: on the defensive end, as far as his impact, He's

813
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 5: definitely gonna struggle with physicality early on. But I think

814
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Speaker 5: that he's going to even be better in the NBA

815
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Speaker 5: because the spacing gets better, the game is longer.

816
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Speaker 6: Of course, he's gonna.

817
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Speaker 5: End up getting superstar calls, so it can add another

818
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: two to three points to his points per game.

819
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Speaker 6: But I think he's ready. It's just unfair.

820
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Speaker 5: The expectations are so high, and we've never seen the

821
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 5: league put a guy on the NBA app before he's

822
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 5: played a game.

823
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Speaker 2: And he seems to want it. Though.

824
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: Does he seems to want the hype and the and

825
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: the attention.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, because I've heard that he's had every.

827
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 5: Endorsement opportunity in the world and he hasn't signed anything.

828
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: I've heard that he's had so many opportunities to be

829
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Speaker 5: a pitch man, and he has just no plans to

830
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 5: to really pitch products.

831
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Speaker 6: Or anything like that. He just wants to play. But

832
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Speaker 6: I think that I don't know.

833
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 5: I think it's a combination of him wanting to be

834
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Speaker 5: out there, but also do it in small steps, but

835
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Speaker 5: I just think he's he's he's ready. Like I said,

836
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 5: the expectations are ridiculous, but I think he's ready to

837
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 5: come in and contribute right away.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they played Monaco in the French League finals,

839
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Speaker 3: and obviously Monaco a euro League team, a successful euro

840
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Speaker 3: League team, and Ton, I mean when they have seven

841
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: former NBA players, yet had a feeling that the physicality

842
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: and that series would be an issue. What did you

843
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 3: see in that series? Any reason for concern or I mean, look,

844
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Speaker 3: I think the European game, you can be more physical

845
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Speaker 3: than you're gonna be able to in the NBA.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I wasn't reason for concern.

847
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Speaker 5: I mean you're talking about the Metropolitans ninety two teams

848
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 5: that you can say two of their three best players

849
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 5: were a nineteen year old and an eighteen year old, right,

850
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 5: And the Monico team that's Mike James, who's a legend

851
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 5: in Europe. I think he's like Europe's I think he's

852
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 5: one of the off time leading scores for American players.

853
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:31,959
Speaker 6: Manton Units is on that team.

854
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: I mean, call Jordan Lloyd and then you know, I

855
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 3: know I'm leaving a boss in game, and they got

856
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: a lot of x NBA guys on that team.

857
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so no, there's there's definitely no reasons to be concerned.

858
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 5: And then you know, the Metropolitans had some injury, so

859
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 5: they're not even playing with the I mean, it had

860
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 5: some late additions, so I wouldn't be too concerned about it.

861
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 5: I just think that it's amazing that you got a

862
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: team that went that far being led by teenagers.

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Speaker 2: No, that's fair, point, makes sense. And listen, I'm so glad.

864
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Speaker 3: I know you're swamped out there in New York and

865
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: you're right in the heart of the draft beast. I'm

866
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: really glad that we found a way to track you

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Speaker 3: down connect bring you on here to help us sound

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Speaker 3: a little smarter about the draft. Rafeae Al Barlow again, folks,

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Speaker 3: director of scouting for NBA Big Board, a wonderful sub

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Speaker 3: stack that this time of year especially, I consult daily

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Speaker 3: to try to get a better handle on what we're

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Speaker 2: You to check it out.

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Speaker 3: And also, he has a podcast, an NBA big Board Podcast,

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Speaker 3: where he's covering this material all the time, five pods

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Speaker 3: a week, making us, making us man, we gotta we

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Speaker 3: might have to step it up.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, not like that, like that.

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Speaker 5: Five we get after this, Angelia, thank you for squeezing

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Speaker 5: us in.

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Speaker 2: Have a great time all week out.

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Speaker 3: There in New York, and really enjoy Thursday night. It

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Speaker 3: should be a special. It's gonna be. I think it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a really interesting evening because obviously number one,

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Speaker 3: we know what's gonna happen. But I feel like from

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Speaker 3: from two on, we we we could have some some surprises,

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Speaker 3: some trades, some action, so it should be it should

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Speaker 3: be interesting.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate

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Speaker 5: this opportunity. Thanks that I followed you guys for years

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Speaker 5: and so it's it's it's actually cool for me to

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Speaker 5: be on a podcast with with you guys.

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Speaker 6: So thank you again.

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Speaker 2: We will do it again sometime for sure.

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Speaker 4: For sure.

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Speaker 3: All right, everyone that does it for this edition of

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Speaker 3: back with you later this week. After again, we can't

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Speaker 3: say exactly what it's gonna be, but yes, I am

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Speaker 3: betting on more trade transactional action.

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