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Speaker 5: a game, Isaiah stand Back, you know what that means.
Speaker 3: You can say at this time QB vision.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean yes, we will talk about
Speaker 5: QB vision, but you can say at this time it's
Speaker 5: it's a.
Speaker 6: I don't know, cow it's not a Friday.
Speaker 3: But say it with your chest. Say it with your
Speaker 3: chest Wednesday.
Speaker 7: I didn't get my push ups in this morning?
Speaker 3: You did.
Speaker 8: It?
Speaker 3: You doing this here in the show. That's why just
Speaker 3: the whole time, Nick's gonna be banging on the chest.
Speaker 3: It's a say with your chest Wednesday.
Speaker 8: Weird? Come on?
Speaker 7: I say, sorry, man, my body is like on a
Speaker 7: clock on a timer, you know.
Speaker 3: Like is it on West Coast time?
Speaker 8: What you did there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Pack twelve time, Seattle time coming soon.
Speaker 5: There's I will say, the Thursday to Thursday whole mix
Speaker 5: up of the schedule where today is Saturday in the building,
Speaker 5: but it's still Monday through Friday nine to five for.
Speaker 3: The regular work week.
Speaker 5: It's it's not beneficial for the body clock, and I
Speaker 5: feel like there's a lot of uh, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of adjusting.
Speaker 3: That has to be made along the way.
Speaker 5: But glad you're with us here on talking Cowboys presented
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Speaker 5: to talk about today. We're actually going to do all
Speaker 5: three of our weekly segments today. We're gonna have QB
Speaker 5: Vision here in this segment, we're gonna have John's national
Speaker 5: storylines and segment two, and then we will have Nick
Speaker 5: Harris's key matchups in segment.
Speaker 3: Three, followed by our pick him for the.
Speaker 5: Cowboys game specifically following that, and then of course we've
Speaker 5: got our news and notes to start things off, so we.
Speaker 3: Got to get to it. Yeah, we'll make these news
Speaker 3: and notes super quick so we can get to Isaiah's
Speaker 3: beautiful segment that does every week. We'll start with the
Speaker 3: practice report from yesterday. It looks like there's a sickness
Speaker 3: going around the D line room. Dante Fowler not just
Speaker 3: a D line room, Yeah, definitely, not just a D
Speaker 3: line room. I can tell you that Dante Fowler missed
Speaker 3: his second straight day of practice yesterday with an illness,
Speaker 3: and then Michael Parsons was added to the injury report yesterday,
Speaker 3: did not practice with an illness. And the first joke, well,
Speaker 3: not joke. It's not funny. I guess it is because
Speaker 3: I'm sick too. But Michael Parsons, if I'm his agent,
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, look my guy. He's a defensive lineman.
Speaker 3: He's getting sick around all the other defensive linemen. You know,
Speaker 3: so in the off season that could be a point
Speaker 3: you're talking about contract, Yeah, exactly exactly. You know him
Speaker 3: and Dante Fowler are spending a.
Speaker 6: Lot of time talking about this. For a second, I
Speaker 6: can't let this go.
Speaker 9: If you walked up, if you're a member of the
Speaker 9: front office staff, and you walked up to his agent
Speaker 9: and even tried to sell anything on linebacker, Oh yeah,
Speaker 9: you don't even respond.
Speaker 6: You fold up your stuff, You just put your stuff away.
Speaker 9: You walk right out like there's no way that you
Speaker 9: can get away with even if that's a non star, Well, nope,
Speaker 9: we're good.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 3: That was kind of the rhetoric. And again, I don't
Speaker 3: want to spend too much time on it, but we're
Speaker 3: gonna have a ton of time on this throughout, especially
Speaker 3: the off season as well. But there was a lot
Speaker 3: of rhetoric throughout the off season from people that were
Speaker 3: not Michael Parsons saying that he was a linebacker, and
Speaker 3: he was saying that he was a defensive lineman. And
Speaker 3: I guess there was a little bit of variance you
Speaker 3: could have had going into the season. But we're looking
Speaker 3: at eighty five percent of the snaps that he's played
Speaker 3: on the line the most impactful. Yeah, double digit sacks.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't. I don't think we can go
Speaker 3: much further with that dialogue. Looking at the rest of
Speaker 3: the injury report, we'll go down it really fast. Rico
Speaker 3: Dabdell still limited with an ankle injury the same as Monday.
Speaker 3: Peyton hender Shot still listed as full. His window does
Speaker 3: not have to be opened before tomorrow's game, so he
Speaker 3: can go one more game still on the IR, but
Speaker 3: then going into the Philadelphia game, he would have to
Speaker 3: be activated. Tyrus Wheet was upgraded to a full participant
Speaker 3: on Tuesday with his concussion. Mazi Smith still on the
Speaker 3: injury report full with his shoulder injury, and then jay
Speaker 3: Ron Curse was upgraded to full with his back injury.
Speaker 3: And we didn't mention this yesterday, but he was asked
Speaker 3: on Monday at what are the odds that he plays
Speaker 3: on Thursday? He said two hundred percent. So good stuff.
Speaker 8: That is good.
Speaker 3: In the last news and note we'll get to really fast,
Speaker 3: just kind of recapping the Shaquille leonard A visit from yesterday.
Speaker 3: We were kind of talking about it pre show. I
Speaker 3: think Isaiah asked the question was was he always going
Speaker 3: to leave without a contract? And John answered, and it's
Speaker 3: it's how I feel as well, and it's what it
Speaker 3: sounds like it was, as far as truth goes. He
Speaker 3: was always going to see his options out. And I
Speaker 3: kind of tweeted about it yesterday on Twitter or zed
Speaker 3: it about it. Whatever you want to say. He uhs
Speaker 3: an X like, apparently that's like what you're supposed to say. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm not Yeah, I'm I'm never saying
Speaker 3: that outside of like an official atmosphere. Absolutely not. Elon
Speaker 3: can Elon can go to boy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm not saying nothing bad about before tomorrow. What if?
Speaker 3: What if he names the cyber truck the X truck?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna are you.
Speaker 8: Gonna call it? I'm calling it whatever I purchase it, stand.
Speaker 3: Back, the Standmobile.
Speaker 8: I like that.
Speaker 3: But I tweeted about it yesterday and I said, look,
Speaker 3: this is not a normal free agency. It's or not
Speaker 3: a normal mid season free agency. He was always going
Speaker 3: to see his options out, and it's gonna happen a
Speaker 3: lot and a lot shorter of a time frame than
Speaker 3: a typical big time free agency would happen if it
Speaker 3: were say over the off season, just because he still
Speaker 3: wants to get on the field and contribute for a
Speaker 3: team down the stretch and learn the playbook and thinks
Speaker 3: of that nature. He's gonna see these options out. He's
Speaker 3: going to go to the Eagles today and then I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if he sees another team between now
Speaker 3: and the weekend and he's gonna make his decision this weekend.
Speaker 3: But it sounds like it's going to come down to
Speaker 3: the Eagles and the Cowboys. He has a lot of
Speaker 3: connections with his fraternity in Philadelphia. Uh, he has a
Speaker 3: lot of connections on the coaching staff in Philadelphia, so
Speaker 3: those are things that they're going to have to battle.
Speaker 3: He apparently has a lot of friends and family in
Speaker 3: Philadelphia as well, So these are things that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are definitely gonna have to contest and and and battle with.
Speaker 3: But as far as everything we've heard, and maybe John
Speaker 3: can can add from what he knows, the visit went
Speaker 3: good yesterday, when as good as they could have they
Speaker 3: could have thought that he checks out when it came
Speaker 3: to the health stuff, which was I know we were
Speaker 3: talking about that yesterday with the two back surgeries that
Speaker 3: he had last year, and now it's just kind of
Speaker 3: a wait and see, wait and see approach.
Speaker 6: I thought you hit all of it. No, I have
Speaker 6: nothing to add to that.
Speaker 9: That's I mean, obviously Cowboys would like to add him.
Speaker 9: They made that pretty clear anytime that there's similarities I
Speaker 9: see with the way they've gone about this too. When
Speaker 9: they went after Adell Beckham, you know, it made it
Speaker 9: pretty open, and it hasn't always been that way, So
Speaker 9: I wonder if it'll be like Odell Beckham too where
Speaker 9: it comes down to Jerry made it pretty clear in
Speaker 9: that one throughout that he didn't want to give more
Speaker 9: than just the contract for the rest of the season.
Speaker 9: And if you're Shack Leonard, you're probably looking for more
Speaker 9: than that, I guess, So that might be the difference
Speaker 9: between him signed with the Cowboys and maybe sign somewhere else.
Speaker 3: If I'm Shack, I'm looking for a two year deal
Speaker 3: and I'm again I might be off as far as
Speaker 3: numbers go here, but maybe like a sixteen million type
Speaker 3: deal just because you want to have two years, yeah right, exactly, Yeah, yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: not not per year, just because you want to have
Speaker 3: enough stability obviously for those two seasons, but give yourself
Speaker 3: two gears of opportunity to earn a extended contract where
Speaker 3: you can get that money that you were earning in
Speaker 3: Indianapolis with another team. It would just kind of make sense.
Speaker 3: The threshold that Darius Leonard has already passed that Odell
Speaker 3: couldn't really pass last year was the health thing too,
Speaker 3: And to be able to pass that, I think that's
Speaker 3: what has everybody in this building really excited about the
Speaker 3: potential of atting Leonard. But you know, I kind of
Speaker 3: wrote about this in Nick at Night last night and
Speaker 3: it ended up kind of being about Darius Lendard in
Speaker 3: the last couple of paragraphs, and it wasn't really what
Speaker 3: it was intended to be. But that's what kind of
Speaker 3: happens when you start riding with with no end. You
Speaker 3: have Marquise Bell and DeMont Clark, these guys that have
Speaker 3: really stepped up and have filled different roles in this
Speaker 3: linebacking corps this year. You know, if you don't get
Speaker 3: Darius Leonard, it's not the end of the world. You
Speaker 3: have two really good pass defenders in that second level.
Speaker 3: I feel like you have one and a half good
Speaker 3: run defenders in that second level as well, and you
Speaker 3: have capable guys that are starting to step up, and
Speaker 3: then aterior defensive line and that safety group all the
Speaker 3: way down the middle of the field. Is the run
Speaker 3: defense probably still the biggest liability on this defense, Yes,
Speaker 3: I believe so, but I believe it's more capable than
Speaker 3: it was last season. I don't feel like it's going
Speaker 3: to be as big of a hindrance as it was
Speaker 3: towards like the middle and end of last regular season.
Speaker 3: Would Darius Lyndard be a welcomed edition on this team. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: that would be that would be a huge addition to
Speaker 3: this run defense, but I'm not one hundred percent certain
Speaker 3: that it would be, you know, the thing that would
Speaker 3: put this defense over the top. I think it would
Speaker 3: still put this defense in the same echelon, in the
Speaker 3: same tier that it is right now.
Speaker 9: And the other thing effectors in is that you know,
Speaker 9: Layton's out over Shown's out. And then I just go
Speaker 9: back to the game last week where Markue's bell was
Speaker 9: in that tent. For a while, I kept looking back,
Speaker 9: and he's still in there. He's still in there now.
Speaker 9: He ends up being fine. But it just is one
Speaker 9: of those things that go through your mind. You're like,
Speaker 9: all right, well, then who's the next one up there?
Speaker 9: So they need Shack Leonard, you know, they need him
Speaker 9: probably more than whoever else is going to be out there.
Speaker 9: So it'll be interesting to see when it comes down.
Speaker 8: What does your gut to you that.
Speaker 6: He ends up being a cowboy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my gut tells me Eagle, me too, Okay, me too.
Speaker 5: I think I'll split it right down the middle of
Speaker 5: my gut, says cowboy. I don't think they'd let him
Speaker 5: because I agree with John and the fact that they
Speaker 5: need him specifically.
Speaker 3: If they don't get him, it's not the end of
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 5: I thought it was outlined yesterday pretty well that you
Speaker 5: temper your expectations based on wherever he signs. No matter what,
Speaker 5: he's not going to win you the super Bowl immediately.
Speaker 5: If he signs here, he's not going to win the
Speaker 5: the super Bowl immediately.
Speaker 7: So that's that's my I guess that's one of the
Speaker 7: reasons why I think he'll end up an Eagle, because
Speaker 7: Dallas takes that Oh.
Speaker 8: You know, if it works out, it works out.
Speaker 7: If it doesn't, it doesn't type approach versus Philly's like, no,
Speaker 7: we need you in the building like we need you
Speaker 7: like we need you.
Speaker 5: We want you from the outside looking in. Now we're
Speaker 5: in the buildings, so we get a pretty good indication. Understand,
Speaker 5: Howie Roseman does have a track record of saying, yep,
Speaker 5: I want you.
Speaker 3: You're now here.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I get it. But that's not always the case.
Speaker 5: They pass on prospects all the time.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, But I'm just going off of the most most
Speaker 7: recent history in terms of being aggressive and adding pieces
Speaker 7: to his roster to ensure that he has the best
Speaker 7: shot at winning a super Bowl. Philadelphia has a better
Speaker 7: track record of that than Dallas, than the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 7: and you add into other added the added elements that
Speaker 7: you were just talking about, Nick, in terms of the
Speaker 7: family and all the other, you know, underlying factors. I
Speaker 7: don't see how Philadelphia doesn't secure the bag there. I'm
Speaker 7: just that's just my That's just my gut. That's just
Speaker 7: my gut.
Speaker 8: If I felt, even though he was.
Speaker 7: Always planning on going to see multiple teams, I always
Speaker 7: felt in my in my heart, if he's allowed to
Speaker 7: leave this building, chances are he's probably not going to
Speaker 7: come back in this building.
Speaker 5: That's the key as well. Nick Eapman wrote about it
Speaker 5: yesterday on the website. He said Leonard has apparently made
Speaker 5: promises to other teams that he would at least listen
Speaker 5: to all offers before making a decision. So not just
Speaker 5: the Eagles, not just the Cowboys. There are other teams
Speaker 5: here that we don't know about yet. I keep it's
Speaker 5: so easily comparable to the Odell Beckham junior scenario, because
Speaker 5: at that point it was two teams and then oh
Speaker 5: there's a ghost team. There's a fourth team. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: they're going to try and court and pern around but
Speaker 5: it didn't end up working out because of the health issue.
Speaker 5: They could have utilized you Odell Beckham if he was healthy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the difference was Odell hadn't shown that he was
Speaker 7: capable of playing yet.
Speaker 8: Correct, that's not the case here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shack's been it's not the case here.
Speaker 8: So it's totally different.
Speaker 7: There was a huge question mark regard over over O'Dell
Speaker 7: Beckham and whether or not he was play ready and
Speaker 7: all that jazz.
Speaker 6: Beckham's play ready. There's no team that's letting him.
Speaker 8: Go exactly exactly right.
Speaker 7: So if O'Dell Beckham had been on the field and
Speaker 7: then started taking his visits, yeah, totally different, totally different situation.
Speaker 7: So I'm just my gut. I hope that Dallas finds
Speaker 7: a way. I don't I don't see it happening well.
Speaker 6: From this side right here, it's trying to be a
Speaker 6: glass half.
Speaker 10: I mean.
Speaker 8: Also, if you're him, though, honestly, what are you thinking.
Speaker 3: Go to Dallas because it's the best scenario out there.
Speaker 9: Let me just let me just state this is somebody
Speaker 9: that I'm not a Cowboys fan. I didn't grow up
Speaker 9: a Cowboys fan, but there is something about the Cowboys
Speaker 9: that's different than I'm a huge sports fan like, and
Speaker 9: I'm not sit at home watch TV sports fan like.
Speaker 9: I'm a single guy. My life is sports. I've been
Speaker 9: to a lot of places.
Speaker 6: It's tough. The Cowboys, man, it's tough to beat. It's
Speaker 6: tough to beat everything that comes with it.
Speaker 8: I don't agree. I've been around the world.
Speaker 6: In right, I get it.
Speaker 7: But there's there's there's some there's something when you look
Speaker 7: at what both teams don't like.
Speaker 9: I don't want to play outside, so I got something
Speaker 9: A bad example out one Seattle sounds very Enticingladelphia playing
Speaker 9: outside like. I don't oh no, don't love the idea
Speaker 9: that you just have a couple of bad plays and
Speaker 9: your fan base is ripping you harder than anybody else.
Speaker 6: I don't love.
Speaker 3: I mean, Dallas does that to me. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: This whole ordeal is reminding me of my last job
Speaker 3: in recruiting, because he's like taking visits and he's going
Speaker 3: to make his decision this weekend and what's predictions exactly.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that yesterday. I was thinking about it,
Speaker 3: if honestly, truthfully, if I were to enter a crystal ball,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have one right now, so.
Speaker 9: We'll see the biggest thing with me too, and I
Speaker 9: say that about the Cowboys is because it's been twenty
Speaker 9: seven years and I always feel like if you could
Speaker 9: be one of those pieces that got them back to
Speaker 9: glory like that, just I challenge you to compare it
Speaker 9: to something else. I'm Lakers, Yankees, they've all won since then.
Speaker 9: I'm talking if you were one of those key pieces
Speaker 9: that helped put them over the top, like, it's tough
Speaker 9: to beat that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: Number one, though, is money.
Speaker 8: So that's the money family convenience.
Speaker 5: Speaking of money and this, of course you can finagle
Speaker 5: quite a number of ways.
Speaker 3: But Dallas right now has six point six million.
Speaker 5: In cap space and the Eagles have two point three.
Speaker 8: So it's about.
Speaker 5: Four million dollar difference this year, specifically between the cap
Speaker 5: for Philadelphia and the cap for Dallas. Now, Philadelphia's cap
Speaker 5: next year looks significantly better than it does for Dallas
Speaker 5: at the moment, but that'll be rearranged and figured out
Speaker 5: along the way as well.
Speaker 3: So there's only two point three million left in cap
Speaker 3: space for Philly, oh for Philly, for Philly, six point
Speaker 3: six for Dallas. Current that's considerably different it is for
Speaker 3: the rest of season.
Speaker 5: You're talking about a pro rated contract for the back
Speaker 5: half of the camp Camp Philly.
Speaker 8: Does Philly have an open roster spot? Didn't they just
Speaker 8: let you go over?
Speaker 9: Dear Barnette, don't drink your walk are like that?
Speaker 3: I love that. I heard the little air bubble and that.
Speaker 6: All right, you practice that.
Speaker 8: Things don't happen by chance. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5: The ab we spent a lot of time on this. Isaiah,
Speaker 5: you've got like four minutes.
Speaker 4: Why Eddie, it's time for QB vision with Isaiah's standsback,
Speaker 4: go for it, all.
Speaker 7: Right, y'all were gonna blow through this real quick. Seattle Seahawks,
Speaker 7: these dudes are fast. They're really fast. That's probably the
Speaker 7: best way to describe them. I think that's been their
Speaker 7: model for some years now. Defensively, that's what they rest
Speaker 7: that's what they rest on. They always have. This year
Speaker 7: is no different. We can start up front and with
Speaker 7: their defensive front there, they don't really have a bunch
Speaker 7: of dogs up front. I would say, you know, Mafe
Speaker 7: is pretty pretty good. Uh, he's definitely pretty good. You
Speaker 7: got Leonard Williams that they just picked up. Obviously, those
Speaker 7: are kind of the guys that they really rely on
Speaker 7: hell in terms of trying to be run stopping and
Speaker 7: then Mafe being a guy who's a pass rusher. They
Speaker 7: don't have a lot of stunts, so unlike Dallas, they're
Speaker 7: not doing a bunch of stunts to trying to confuse
Speaker 7: you and create all these different leverage matchups. Like these
Speaker 7: guys are pretty much line up and try to beat
Speaker 7: you with speed. They put the big boy Leonnar Williams
Speaker 7: in the middle to try to clog things up to
Speaker 7: kind of deter you from running the rock.
Speaker 8: The guys that are absolute dogs for them.
Speaker 7: You got to go up to the second level and
Speaker 7: that's when you run into Bobby Wagner and you run
Speaker 7: into Jordan Brooks. Those two guys are complete monsters. I
Speaker 7: think Bobby Wagner has one hundred and thirteen tackles already.
Speaker 7: I think Jordan Brooks has like ninety five or something.
Speaker 7: It's crazy, like they're right there with each other. Those
Speaker 7: guys play downhill. They're sure, they're smart, they don't pick
Speaker 7: the wrong holes. They communicate really well together nonverbally. I mean,
Speaker 7: these guys they work in tandem and this reason why
Speaker 7: they're able to get a lot of tackles. The defensive
Speaker 7: line is doing a good job of being gap disciplined
Speaker 7: and allowing those guys to free flow. And that's the
Speaker 7: reason why their numbers are so high in terms of
Speaker 7: tackles at that linebacker position. That's not where most people
Speaker 7: are putting their attention at though most people are. Obviously,
Speaker 7: you're going to look out to the outside and where
Speaker 7: are their defensive backs? Are their defensive backs And Devin Witherspoon,
Speaker 7: who's an absolute beast, Riek Wollen, absolute beast, and then
Speaker 7: the Trey Brown does a really good job as well,
Speaker 7: Number twenty two. All three other defensive backs do a
Speaker 7: great job. And then you look at their safeties, and
Speaker 7: I honestly believe that their safeties are underappreciated as their
Speaker 7: cornerbacks have been so successful and been so dominant. Their
Speaker 7: safeties are enforcers, and they have three of them. They
Speaker 7: have Jamal Adams, which I'm sure everybody in Dallas is
Speaker 7: familiar with, Quandre Diggs.
Speaker 8: He's a beast as well.
Speaker 7: And then a man who doesn't huh them, you know,
Speaker 7: And another man who I don't think gets enough appreciation,
Speaker 7: is going to be Julian Love, and he's the guy
Speaker 7: who pops off the film for me. He's not the
Speaker 7: big name, but he's a man who has a ton
Speaker 7: of tackles and I think he's had a greater impact
Speaker 7: on that defense than even Quandre Diggs has. So they
Speaker 7: have a much like Dallas has a three headed monster
Speaker 7: at say safety, they have a three headed monster at
Speaker 7: safety as well, but they don't use all three of
Speaker 7: them in the game.
Speaker 8: At the same time.
Speaker 7: This team, Dallas is number one in the league in
Speaker 7: terms of having Nickel. I'm sorry, not Nickel, but dime.
Speaker 7: These guys are at the top of the league in
Speaker 7: terms of having Nickel. So these guys like to have
Speaker 7: three dbs two safeties in at all times, which leaves
Speaker 7: their box a little bit lighter. But that's why they
Speaker 7: have those two guys at the second level. They can
Speaker 7: pretty much stop anything that comes their way. They're tackling machines.
Speaker 7: In terms of what do they run coverage wise, they
Speaker 7: run a lot of too high. They're at the top
Speaker 7: of the league in terms of split safety coverages. They
Speaker 7: want to keep everything in front of them. They are
Speaker 7: playing typically cover two to cover four. But how they
Speaker 7: play it is very aggressively, so they are not playing
Speaker 7: the traditional you know lineup. We're gonna line up just
Speaker 7: outside and cover two. We're gonna line up half a
Speaker 7: man outside of you. We're going to force everything and
Speaker 7: they'll mix around how they line up on you. They'll
Speaker 7: line up head up, they'll line up inside. Their defensive
Speaker 7: backs have the freedom to do whatever the heck they
Speaker 7: want to as long as they're still remaining within their scheme.
Speaker 7: And because of that flexibility, because of their skill set,
Speaker 7: they can bait you and put you in a lot
Speaker 7: of bad situations.
Speaker 8: They can make you.
Speaker 7: You'll feel like your receiver has a step on somebody,
Speaker 7: but because of their speed on the outside, you don't
Speaker 7: have a step. They're able to run all over the place.
Speaker 7: Their safeties run sideline the sideline, so a lot of
Speaker 7: gaps that are in your coverage. A lot of times
Speaker 7: those guys are closing those gaps. Much like we talked
Speaker 7: about Doron Bland closing gaps on these receivers and getting interceptions.
Speaker 7: These guys do the same thing with PBUs. Okay, they're
Speaker 7: running all over the place. You think you have a
Speaker 7: guy open, they're over there. In a heartbeat batted down
Speaker 7: and they are just super duper fast. This team flies around,
Speaker 7: they don't stop, and it's a reason why you have
Speaker 7: to punch them in the mouth and limit their confidence
Speaker 7: because if they get confident, this could get this can
Speaker 7: get pretty serious. You talk about a team that flies around,
Speaker 7: hits high energy coach, high energy sideline. You know guys
Speaker 7: are coming in the game, they want to make a play.
Speaker 7: Is It's kind of like Dallas's defense in the regard.
Speaker 7: Once they get rolling, they're hard to stop. But you
Speaker 7: know it's it's tough. I think if if I had
Speaker 7: to say what their weakness is, I would say that
Speaker 7: you can you can run the ball on them in
Speaker 7: terms of getting their defensive line off the ball. Their
Speaker 7: defensive ends are not run stopping defensive ends. If I
Speaker 7: had to say, not like a DeMarcus Lawrence, he can
Speaker 7: stop the run. I don't think that their defensive ends can.
Speaker 7: So I think you have an opportunity to get up
Speaker 7: to the possibly.
Speaker 8: To the second level. You have to get up to
Speaker 8: the second level if you want to.
Speaker 7: Stop Brooks and Bobby Wagner, because if you don't, they'll
Speaker 7: ruin your day.
Speaker 3: So it's almost.
Speaker 5: The flip flop of what Dallas brings defensively. Where Dallas
Speaker 5: it's the pressure, yep, that helps set up the secondary.
Speaker 5: Here it's the secondary that helps set up the interior.
Speaker 8: Correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah, those guys, Your guys aren't even though they're not
Speaker 7: playing a lot of man to man, it feels like
Speaker 7: man to man.
Speaker 8: They're playing zone.
Speaker 5: But this zone eighty three at the top of the four,
Speaker 5: fourth in the league in terms of how many times
Speaker 5: they run zone.
Speaker 8: But it doesn't feel like zone. It's weird.
Speaker 7: So like most teams, you play play zone and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 7: well there's going to be a gap there.
Speaker 8: It is the weakness.
Speaker 7: So there's a pure speed, this pure speed man, and
Speaker 7: these guys have the freedom again to kind of freestyle,
Speaker 7: and I kind of relate it to you mayber Trey Polamalu.
Speaker 8: Trey Polamalu like you to be playing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so you might be playing cover. He might
Speaker 7: be playing cover three. You look back there, there's no
Speaker 7: safety was because he's at the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 7: next to you know, he's freaking jetting out twenty five
Speaker 7: yards back to the middle of the field and try
Speaker 7: to throw it over his head.
Speaker 8: If you want to he has the speed to get back.
Speaker 7: So they give their guys that kind of freedom to
Speaker 7: mess around and try to screw the look of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 7: So I foresee them trying to do the same exact
Speaker 7: thing with Dak and the receivers of Dallas are not
Speaker 7: going to have free releases. Whether it's whether it's man
Speaker 7: and man, whether it's cover three, whenever they go single
Speaker 7: high safety, or whether it's there too high shell defense,
Speaker 7: they're gonna get hands on you. I mean, I Honda style.
Speaker 7: You're not getting off the line. You better work on
Speaker 7: your releases. Whether it's man or zone. They'll run trap
Speaker 7: cover two where they'll get their hands on you. Drop out,
Speaker 7: think that they're going back and it don't come back
Speaker 7: to where they started. You got to have your head
Speaker 7: on the swivel and you have to do a good
Speaker 7: job of getting your hands getting their hands off of
Speaker 7: you if you want to get open.
Speaker 9: Would you say this is Dak's best, Uh, competition will
Speaker 9: be as tough as matchups in San Francisco.
Speaker 7: Defensively, I think this would be not necessarily Dax. I
Speaker 7: think this is gonna be the receivers. I think I
Speaker 7: think this would be the biggest challenge.
Speaker 8: This is the.
Speaker 7: Best secondary that Dallas has faced this year. I think
Speaker 7: cross the board fair, across the board, across the board straight,
Speaker 7: straight up.
Speaker 8: And this is a team that, again they don't play man.
Speaker 7: So that's saying a lot, right, that's saying a lot
Speaker 7: for a team that doesn't play man to man. They're
Speaker 7: gonna pay man and man techniques in zone covers, so
Speaker 7: they're playing you like as man, but they still have
Speaker 7: zone help.
Speaker 8: That's a problem.
Speaker 3: How similar do you feel like this defenses when it
Speaker 3: comes to personnel and scheme, especially with how young this
Speaker 3: this defense is too to the Jets and kind of
Speaker 3: like what they've been able to put together. The only
Speaker 3: difference is they don't have an offense behind of the
Speaker 3: Jets eats Seattle.
Speaker 7: Has a little bit more there, I can see. I
Speaker 7: could see your comparison there. I think that these have
Speaker 7: more dbs. I think they have you know, when you
Speaker 7: start talking about you know, Witherspoon, Brown and yeah Willing,
Speaker 7: those three right there are highly skilled guys.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: The Jets have I think two guys that you know,
Speaker 7: obviously Hot Sauce and I can't remember the other guy,
Speaker 7: but they have two guys that can play play man
Speaker 7: to man and lock you up, and they want to
Speaker 7: play Manda man.
Speaker 8: The Seattle doesn't want to play man of Man.
Speaker 7: They don't, right, so, but they're gonna get up there
Speaker 7: and get in your face as if it's man and man.
Speaker 7: And when you when they do that, it's distracting because
Speaker 7: you're so concerned about trying to get your release that
Speaker 7: you almost have you have to now remember what what
Speaker 7: coverage they're actually playing, right well, you get so concerned
Speaker 7: about just trying to beat that one guys Okay, I
Speaker 7: got him, Okay, like crap, Now, what the heck is
Speaker 7: the coverage? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Jamal Adams or or
Speaker 7: Digs or whatever. So I mean you have to keep
Speaker 7: your eyes up and you have to be very aware
Speaker 7: because they definitely want to do the smoke in front
Speaker 7: of your face and and kind of hide whatever else
Speaker 7: they're doing. And they do a great job, a great
Speaker 7: job of passing off coverage.
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, it's it's seamless, you know.
Speaker 7: And and Dallas, for for instance, you know, think some
Speaker 7: of the things that I've been open for Dallas in
Speaker 7: terms of Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 8: Am I blinking right now? Not you know, be Cooks
Speaker 8: and Turp.
Speaker 7: You know those guys coming in short motion, kind of
Speaker 7: going across the field and things like that, and they've
Speaker 7: kind of been wide open. I don't foresee that being
Speaker 7: the case, because these guys communicate so well.
Speaker 8: Right they're they're doing their own thing.
Speaker 7: They're back there having fun, their freestylings, like we're playing
Speaker 7: in the backyard, and as soon as somebody comes in
Speaker 7: short motion, it's just literally like there's a it's a
Speaker 7: bump of coverage. It's not like they're trying to say, okay, hey,
Speaker 7: over over, now, let me see what I have.
Speaker 8: It's like, okay, now, I got this guy, and it's
Speaker 8: just like smooth.
Speaker 7: There's no gaps in the in the passing off of
Speaker 7: responsibilities whatsoever. They you could tell these guys have fun
Speaker 7: playing together and that they are literally on one wavelength.
Speaker 3: I know we have getting a break, one little note
Speaker 3: that I wanted to throw in really quick. It's fair
Speaker 3: to say it starts in the secondary and it helps
Speaker 3: everything else. For me, it starts in the second level
Speaker 3: because those guys are so disciplined, Bobby Wagner and Jordan Brooks,
Speaker 3: it allows everything around them in the secondary to try
Speaker 3: to focus on their job, and they know that the
Speaker 3: middle of the field's gonna be fine and those boundaries,
Speaker 3: they just focus on that and it'll allow for everything.
Speaker 7: These two are as good of the sure thing at
Speaker 7: linebacker position there is in the league in terms of
Speaker 7: a tandem.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 7: I can't think of any other outside of San Francisco.
Speaker 7: I can't think of any other tandem that's as good
Speaker 7: as these guys are in terms of working together well.
Speaker 5: And there was a fear early in the off season
Speaker 5: once we got to like preseason game number two, whenever
Speaker 5: we were calling it in Seattle, we kind of knew
Speaker 5: Jordan Brooks would be back, but there was early off
Speaker 5: season concern that he wouldn't even play this year. And
Speaker 5: instead he's played eleven games and he's been fantastic all
Speaker 5: the way through, and he's he looks like his old self,
Speaker 5: which is a credit in his own right, credit to
Speaker 5: their training staff.
Speaker 3: To get him ready to go. But Bobby Wagner too.
Speaker 5: You talk about Bobby Wagner, what he's doing in this
Speaker 5: is year number twelve, razy for.
Speaker 3: Him and got one hundred tackles them.
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, in terms of Leonard Williams is the
Speaker 9: only one on their injury report of note he's dealing
Speaker 9: with an ankle.
Speaker 6: Didn't Prikes that Monday, but he was limited yesterday.
Speaker 3: Good to know.
Speaker 8: Bobby Widener one hundred and thirteen tackles. Jordan Brooks ninety five.
Speaker 8: That's Julian Love seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Jordan Brooks w reckon, by the way, go ahead, what
Speaker 3: was it tech?
Speaker 8: By the way.
Speaker 5: For those that watched the Draft show and talking cowboys,
Speaker 5: because I know you're out there as well, you might
Speaker 5: remember Reek wollen was a big pet cat of the
Speaker 5: Draft show of myself because went to UCSA.
Speaker 3: They called me me meet me, called him Reek the
Speaker 3: freak is.
Speaker 5: What they called him at Utsa, And I mean he
Speaker 5: is a freak of nature.
Speaker 3: He's long, he's speedy.
Speaker 5: But then they go out and they spend a first
Speaker 5: round pick on Devin Witherspoon, fifth overall pick, highest drafted
Speaker 5: player the Pete Carroll or era ever, and he's even
Speaker 5: more of a freak than what Tyreek Wollan is.
Speaker 9: So you know what, how does Wolan just like just
Speaker 9: like Bland, how do they follow the fifth round?
Speaker 5: He was he played at a a group of five school,
Speaker 5: he had limited time. He dealt with some injuries at UTSA.
Speaker 5: It was a it was a bad secondary, good front seven.
Speaker 5: So they probably just film wise didn't trust exactly what
Speaker 5: they had seen. But man, he six foot four to
Speaker 5: two oh five. His numbers at the combine with phenomenal.
Speaker 5: He had six picks his senior year.
Speaker 8: He makes to Seattle too. Yeah, yeah, I want to
Speaker 8: add one thing.
Speaker 7: These defensive backs, they they will hit the crap out
Speaker 7: of you, all of them. Their safeties are headhunters. All
Speaker 7: three of their safeties are headhunters. They want to they
Speaker 7: want to decapitate you. And then you have there, all
Speaker 7: three of their corners come up and hit two. Devin
Speaker 7: Witherspoon is their fifth highest tackling on the team, has
Speaker 7: the fifth highest amount of tackles on their team. These
Speaker 7: guys will come up while they're playing that too high show.
Speaker 7: They wanted to They want to come up and hit you.
Speaker 5: So that was the calling card for Weatherspoon draft is
Speaker 5: that he wants to be He has.
Speaker 7: Over sixty tackles a year, these fifth intackles on their team,
Speaker 7: which is is absurd for a corner.
Speaker 5: Another thing I just remember going back to John's questions.
Speaker 5: Just now for Woolen, he was a He was a
Speaker 5: wide receiver who made the switch to corner as a junior.
Speaker 5: So we only had two years as a cornerback at UTSA.
Speaker 9: So there's just you know, ant that thing during the
Speaker 9: draft when it comes to the Cowboys, a lot of
Speaker 9: people talk about on their DB's in the corners they
Speaker 9: like those long arms, tall corners or anything like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's not the Cowboys, that's the NFL.
Speaker 3: The guy like that.
Speaker 6: Everybody was Fort Wurth, Arlington Heights.
Speaker 3: There you go, the Yellowjackets, right, yes, sir, there you go.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so at the Athletic we did an anonymous player pool.
Speaker 9: Writers from cover all the teams went up to players.
Speaker 9: I went up to a few in the Cowboys locker room,
Speaker 9: and so their names aren't included, but they vote on
Speaker 9: We basically read off ten to fifteen questions if you
Speaker 9: don't want to answer when you don't have to. But
Speaker 9: so and all we got about I think it's like
Speaker 9: eighty five ninety players. So I just want to run
Speaker 9: by a couple of things real quick. The first one,
Speaker 9: the one that that was the funniest, most annoying fan base. Okay,
Speaker 9: two teams clearly far exceed everybody else. What what two
Speaker 9: teams do you?
Speaker 8: Guys?
Speaker 3: Wonder which ones those are? Well? What happened to be
Speaker 3: in the same division they do? Cowboys? Yeah, one of
Speaker 3: them's right here, and the other ones in.
Speaker 9: Philly neck and neck man Eagles beat them out twenty
Speaker 9: five percent to twenty four.
Speaker 6: Percent or the Cowboys, so Philly one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 9: How would you how would you rate overall officiating in
Speaker 9: the NFL? And I know it's a small percentage, but
Speaker 9: two point five percent set it ten like that it
Speaker 9: couldn't get any better.
Speaker 6: I can't believe they even got a vote.
Speaker 3: I'm shocked you got to vote to how many players
Speaker 3: did it?
Speaker 9: Say eighty one for that one? Because like I said,
Speaker 9: there's not every yeah, like, no, you have to answer this.
Speaker 9: It's like if you don't want you can just pass
Speaker 9: or whatever. Yeah, two point of ten.
Speaker 5: Three people said ten had to be like three punters.
Speaker 6: That that just I don't know that really surprised.
Speaker 3: They all for the one. Yeah, all three played for Philly.
Speaker 3: That's the only thing.
Speaker 6: Ten percent said. I was a one like that couldn't
Speaker 6: be any worse?
Speaker 3: Was that the overwhelming number one?
Speaker 9: No, it was kind of in the middle five six
Speaker 9: where it was at yeah, which I would probably agree with.
Speaker 6: I think if someone asked me that, I would say
Speaker 6: that everything it's.
Speaker 5: Terrible ever since the replacement officials and that whole debacle
Speaker 5: back in what year was that where they had the
Speaker 5: strike in the question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember what year that was. I will
Speaker 3: not the size.
Speaker 8: I'm sure a lot of money that your come.
Speaker 3: I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would criticize them as a one.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I will criticize officiating significantly if it's bad, but I
Speaker 5: don't think it would be that bad. That was as
Speaker 5: bad as bad as it's ever been.
Speaker 9: So you played in the NFL, so you answer last
Speaker 9: on this. I want to get your guys opinion. If
Speaker 9: the NFL had a team overseas, would you be willing
Speaker 9: to play for it where?
Speaker 3: I can't tell you that just it's over just overseas,
Speaker 3: so it would have to be.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's an NFL city, so I don't think
Speaker 6: that they're going.
Speaker 3: To put it in. It would mean like outside of
Speaker 3: North America.
Speaker 6: Right, yes, yes, could be. I guess that would mean.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The question is where would you most like would you be?
Speaker 5: Well, think about the places that they've been playing these games, right, London, Germany?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: Have they played anywhere else that I'm thinking of? I'm
Speaker 3: missing one.
Speaker 8: They're working on Vehico.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they played in Mexico. But that's not over
Speaker 3: the that's not.
Speaker 6: It's the country. Throw that in this.
Speaker 3: It is like the thirty thousand foot view literally, because
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking of is travel. Yeah, gosh, some of
Speaker 3: these you think about Dallas and the road trips that
Speaker 3: they have to take because their division is all the
Speaker 3: way across the country. And then they have to play
Speaker 3: at least three West Coast games a year. Dallas travels
Speaker 3: quite a bit, arguably more than any team in the league.
Speaker 3: Seattle actually travels the most, by the way. That would
Speaker 3: make sense. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. If
Speaker 3: you would have to come across the Atlantic every single
Speaker 3: road game, gosh, you would have to. You would have
Speaker 3: to stay over you to like.
Speaker 9: For like certain weeks where you're like you're playing two
Speaker 9: different teams.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You would have to be able to stay in the
Speaker 3: US and have like a headquarters somewhere on the East coast.
Speaker 6: And that sounds like a blast.
Speaker 8: Do I get paid in euros?
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
Speaker 6: That's a great question.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter, definitely matter.
Speaker 5: If it's the six reason number now you want to
Speaker 5: talk about, then it matters. But if you're I mean,
Speaker 5: it's gonna be currency equaled out, I'm sure Texas.
Speaker 8: You want to talk about.
Speaker 7: Okay, you want to talk about free agents, acquisitions and
Speaker 7: the Dallas's ability to be able to re paying some
Speaker 7: free agents.
Speaker 8: Taxes played a big, big role in it. Buddy, I
Speaker 8: say no.
Speaker 3: I would say no. I would love I would love
Speaker 3: to play in the same division as probably I would
Speaker 3: say no, I.
Speaker 6: Would say no, I would you would?
Speaker 9: Okay, so fifty five percent said no, which actually was
Speaker 9: higher than I thought.
Speaker 6: Uh, big land Slide.
Speaker 9: Best player in the game, Patrick mahomes forty six percent
Speaker 9: of the votes.
Speaker 6: Nightment close. This one didn't surprise me either.
Speaker 9: If you which coach, which current coach in the NFL
Speaker 9: would you like to play for other than your own?
Speaker 5: That was my first thought. But I'm McDaniel. Climbing high
Speaker 5: on that list is Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 3: Gosh, that's hard. I would probably go I'd probably go McDaniel.
Speaker 3: I was about to say, yeah, it's kind of your dude.
Speaker 3: You guys are Yeah, it is.
Speaker 6: You guys are really good.
Speaker 9: Tom Timon was number one by a deep smully twenty
Speaker 9: six percent McDaniel.
Speaker 3: And honestly, that's are he was.
Speaker 9: He was like others like kind of like in the middle,
Speaker 9: a bunch of different things wither. But Andy Reid was
Speaker 9: next one. So you got this down.
Speaker 3: What was Pete Carroll like? And I know you've had
Speaker 3: interactions with he got vote back and forth.
Speaker 8: Pete Carroll's fun. Yeah, he's fun.
Speaker 7: He's all about he's all about competition.
Speaker 8: High energy guy.
Speaker 7: He's all about, you know, letting guys duke it out
Speaker 7: to be the best. He doesn't crown anybody aside from
Speaker 7: probably Bobby Wagner or Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8: But they're just their their their starting role. Everybody has
Speaker 8: to work for it.
Speaker 7: And every week there's competition days, there's turnover days. Like
Speaker 7: there's certain points of emphasis and like this, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of jokes, a lot of clowning around. He brings
Speaker 7: in comedians all the time and magicians and he keeps
Speaker 7: it fun like.
Speaker 8: He really does a great job of cutity.
Speaker 7: Like you look forward to team meetings because you just
Speaker 7: don't know if Will Ferrell might walk in, you know,
Speaker 7: like just just random stuff like that. You know, you
Speaker 7: somebody gets called up and has to shoot a basketball
Speaker 7: to win something, you know, and try to make it
Speaker 7: like it's or you're walking there to be a picture
Speaker 7: of Kyle back in high school with a leotard on
Speaker 7: or something.
Speaker 8: You just don't know. Where'd you find that I don't
Speaker 8: know about?
Speaker 3: Don't put that out there.
Speaker 9: Last one before I go to the next subject. Last
Speaker 9: one from the player poll best stadium to play in.
Speaker 3: Superdome No, I love the Super Dome. I really hope
Speaker 3: that's the oddly.
Speaker 5: Oddly enough, I've never been to the Superdome world I know,
Speaker 5: but I'm just saying that's there's no way that's number.
Speaker 6: Why do you guys like it?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 3: The atmosphere, The atmosphere is great. The culture of New Orleans.
Speaker 3: I do love New Orleans. I would. I would probably say, though,
Speaker 3: I bet you AT and T is number one on
Speaker 3: that list. No, I doubt, Wow, I doubt at and D.
Speaker 6: Sam's eighth.
Speaker 3: Eighth Jesus was a question again.
Speaker 9: Best stadium to play in, best stadium to play in Miami?
Speaker 3: No, no, not so vibes. You don't have to really
Speaker 3: deal with an opposing.
Speaker 8: It has to be l a.
Speaker 9: So if I was third, I don't know that Lamb
Speaker 9: Lamba Lambo was Bestmber.
Speaker 8: This is from players perspective. Oh Arizona.
Speaker 9: No wow, not even no even on there? Well, no,
Speaker 9: it is, it is on there, but.
Speaker 6: It's way done.
Speaker 3: Levi Stadium, Casey.
Speaker 9: No, Casey is number one, eighteen percent and second is
Speaker 9: what what I Probably my favorite stadium to go do
Speaker 9: is in Minnesota.
Speaker 8: US Bank.
Speaker 3: Okay, everyone always I forgot about so we.
Speaker 8: Used to play there every freaking year.
Speaker 6: Lumanfield eight point three Top five.
Speaker 7: Not atmosphere dope. Yeah, see that was fun. But in
Speaker 7: terms of like surface awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really liked Seattle Stadium.
Speaker 8: It was it was really cool.
Speaker 9: Okay, when I can put you on the spot on that,
Speaker 9: never I'm gonna say which is the worst?
Speaker 8: But no one.
Speaker 9: Other thing I wanted to get in the last one here,
Speaker 9: just because it's become a popular topic in the last
Speaker 9: twenty four hours, is just Aaron Rodgers basically going to
Speaker 9: bat for how well Dak Prescott's been playing.
Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers does that.
Speaker 9: Weekly Pat McFee interview just to go over real quick.
Speaker 9: He goes, he's playing, He's playing the position in a
Speaker 9: really impressive way. I love the way he's playing, like
Speaker 9: really playing. I'm not talking about just making good throws.
Speaker 9: I'm talking about it seems more rare that guys are
Speaker 9: actually really playing the position where you're making adjustments, you're
Speaker 9: handling everything at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 9: So that is a pretty popular topic right now. But
Speaker 9: I just want to throw this at the end, he said,
Speaker 9: I just wanted to shout out Dak for really impressing me.
Speaker 6: It's just such an Aaron Rodgers thing to say, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that is kind of like a shout out for you
Speaker 6: really impressed me.
Speaker 3: But it was like shout out, low, bro, that's kind
Speaker 3: of what it said exactly what it sounded like. What
Speaker 3: was funnier about that too, is that it was in
Speaker 3: response to a question for Pat about his cadence. Like
Speaker 3: here we go. I goes like, hey, that's that's like
Speaker 3: pretty cool. You know, it's like different, like what kind
Speaker 3: of cadences do you do? You have you used in
Speaker 3: your career? And then that's that was his answer. Is
Speaker 3: that your Pat McAfee impression. Not really I could really
Speaker 3: go into it if you wanted me to, But I mean,
Speaker 3: that's me next.
Speaker 6: Week, keep your sweathirt on.
Speaker 3: That's funny. I got to take top unders this, let's go.
Speaker 3: I think one no.
Speaker 5: I think Dak Prescott is starting to finally get the
Speaker 5: national recognition, maybe not even recognition, because recognitions respects respect.
Speaker 3: That's the better way to put it.
Speaker 5: The national respect of what he's been doing. I think
Speaker 5: it would explode if he can do it against Seattle, Philadelphia, Detroit, Miami,
Speaker 5: all these teams down and Buffalo down the stretch. If
Speaker 5: he can keep this up, not only would he be
Speaker 5: in the MVP conversation, but he might be the MVP
Speaker 5: front runner. He has a chance to take off right now.
Speaker 5: He's playing really, really incredible football and there's no doubt
Speaker 5: about that.
Speaker 3: I don't care who's on the opposite sideline.
Speaker 5: If he can continue that with who's coming up on
Speaker 5: the opposite sideline, he's going to be the MVP front runner.
Speaker 5: That's where Dak Prescott is. And I think Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: just jumping on the boat before a lot of.
Speaker 8: People do not a bad year to have that run
Speaker 8: for him.
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it starts with you have to beat
Speaker 9: you have to beat Seattle, but then you have to
Speaker 9: beat Philly and you have to outplay Jalen Hurts because
Speaker 9: that's gonna be your number one competition to win the division,
Speaker 9: to probably win that award.
Speaker 3: I just don't understand why Jalen Hurts is a front runner.
Speaker 3: And it's not Philadelphia hate, like it's just legitimately looking
Speaker 3: at teams looking at Yeah, I understand that, but like
Speaker 3: you remember when Pittsburgh started the season eleven and zero,
Speaker 3: it wasn't like they were looking at Ben Roethlisberger, like, ah,
Speaker 3: runaway MVP favorite. You know, it's just like, I don't
Speaker 3: get it. It's it's very weird to me. It's also
Speaker 3: Jalen hurts hate at all. I actually really like Jalen.
Speaker 8: Yeah I do.
Speaker 6: It's a really good pay.
Speaker 5: But it also has been a weird year where a
Speaker 5: lot of the MVP front runners or per se that
Speaker 5: you could have had have either been hurt or injured
Speaker 5: for a significant amount of time or just haven't played
Speaker 5: well for a stretch of time, and it's just kind
Speaker 5: of been up and down.
Speaker 3: It's a weird year where it's wide open.
Speaker 5: And honestly, the MVP front runner right now may not
Speaker 5: be the MVP or even close to the MVP by
Speaker 5: the end of the year because there's still a long
Speaker 5: way to go this season.
Speaker 3: It's it's one of those weird years overall.
Speaker 5: But I think Aaron saying that was it's great for
Speaker 5: him to give that recognition, but it's also he might
Speaker 5: just be jumping on a bandwagon before he gets an
Speaker 5: opportunity or before everybody else gets an opportunity to join him.
Speaker 6: So all right, yeah, we're good.
Speaker 5: All right, when we come back, we're gonna go through
Speaker 5: some really quick key matchups, and we're gonna give picks
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys and the Seahawks on Thursday Night Football.
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Speaker 3: Did you get him in this one?
Speaker 8: Apparently I did not.
Speaker 3: I love that this is a daily question. I hope
Speaker 3: we can keep that going. We'll keep it going. We're
Speaker 3: gonna fly through key matchups. Is that all right?
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's roll.
Speaker 3: Let's do it, go for it, starting first with Devin
Speaker 3: Witherspoon versus CD LAMB. CD Lamb is going to see
Speaker 3: a couple of different matchups, I think on on Thursday,
Speaker 3: but Devin Witherspoon's probably gonna be the guy that has
Speaker 3: lined up opposite of him the most, just because they're
Speaker 3: gonna pair him with a guy that not only has
Speaker 3: a little bit of physicality and Witherspoon, but also has
Speaker 3: the a center of gravity to be able to move
Speaker 3: with CD. That's the biggest thing whenever you're trying to
Speaker 3: cover CD Lamb. You have to be able to be
Speaker 3: thrown off your course and get right back on super quick,
Speaker 3: because you're not going to be able to stay on
Speaker 3: your course the entire route. Devin Witherspoon does such a
Speaker 3: good job of that. It's a reason why he's one
Speaker 3: of the leading contenders for NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a really fun matchup.
Speaker 3: I think the winner of that matchup could help determine
Speaker 3: a lot of offensive success for for Dallas. I like it.
Speaker 8: Do you think that CD has a big game?
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't either.
Speaker 3: I think he has a big game, but I think
Speaker 3: he has you know, touchdown sixty yards, you know, I
Speaker 3: think I think it's what he's been doing the last
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, which is fine. Like, you know, I
Speaker 3: think it's it's going to have to be a group effort.
Speaker 9: I think the highest potential to have a big game
Speaker 9: for the Cowboys offensively, like stat wise, if you like,
Speaker 9: at the end of the day, you're just like, hey,
Speaker 9: that the reason they won was because so and so
Speaker 9: had a big game.
Speaker 3: Tony, No, I don't. I don't believe so I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't believe. So I look at Jake Ferguson and
Speaker 3: see an opportunity. But the only thing I worry about
Speaker 3: with Jake Ferguson if they can't get the running game going,
Speaker 3: then he's going to be wiped out. So for that,
Speaker 3: I'll say Brandon Cooks just because he's he's got more
Speaker 3: speed than anyone on the field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is a game for Cooks to
Speaker 5: have to step up, and even that's not going to
Speaker 5: be easy against the secondary.
Speaker 3: This offense.
Speaker 5: They might struggle to put up points in this game.
Speaker 3: They really might.
Speaker 5: This is gonna be a game where your defense has
Speaker 5: to help set the tone and give you an extra
Speaker 5: possession or two.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's gonna be a challenging game.
Speaker 3: They really will be huh yeah, second one really quick,
Speaker 3: and this is gonna be this kind of goes into
Speaker 3: a running game. Bobby Wagner all of that. This is
Speaker 3: the first time I've ever done a running back versus
Speaker 3: linebacker key matchup this season, just because it's with the
Speaker 3: way the running back position is played in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: it's hard to like find a matchup between a running
Speaker 3: back and a linebacker. But this is this is a
Speaker 3: specific case because Tony Pollard and the way he's been
Speaker 3: using this offense downhill so much, and with the way
Speaker 3: Bobby Wagner is such a run stopper and how he
Speaker 3: identifies the run so quickly and how he's able to
Speaker 3: fill those running lanes. It's gonna those two guys are
Speaker 3: gonna see each other so much on Sunday on Thursday,
Speaker 3: I think, I think you're gonna see those guys try
Speaker 3: to beat each other. And if Tony Pollard can get
Speaker 3: around Bobby Wagner and kind of force him into some
Speaker 3: running lanes that where he's not gonna be. And that's
Speaker 3: what Poler does really well. Between the tackles. He'll he'll
Speaker 3: jump in one and then he'll come around on the
Speaker 3: other side. If he's able to do that and get
Speaker 3: the running in going, that will allow for this offense
Speaker 3: to score more than thirty points. If he's not able to,
Speaker 3: I think they score under thirty.
Speaker 9: That's so funny about just where we are in the
Speaker 9: NFL with how much it's his change, because I just
Speaker 9: think of, like when I was watching in the nineties,
Speaker 9: like the top running back vers whoever the top linebacker
Speaker 9: was from their team would always be like a key matchup,
Speaker 9: but just the way everything's changed, that is it is
Speaker 9: gone to the wayside.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a running back versus Nickel at times too,
Speaker 3: just with the way they're so they're used so much
Speaker 3: outside zone in the screen game and the receiving game,
Speaker 3: like Eckler, if they played Seattle like it'd be Devin
Speaker 3: Witherspoon versus Austeneckler like every single snap. Yeah, you would think,
Speaker 3: but that's just the way the game's played. It's it's
Speaker 3: very strange. Two very good matchups for you gentlemen.
Speaker 5: By the way, before we get into our picks, Chris
Speaker 5: Beam doing some live producing in the back. You sent
Speaker 5: me a tweet apparently DeShawn Jackson, Cowboy Killer, has announced
Speaker 5: his retirement.
Speaker 3: Wow, and he's a fish. He done.
Speaker 5: He hasn't played this year, but finished his career with
Speaker 5: sixty one receptions, thirteen hundred yards and six touchdowns against
Speaker 5: the Cowboys alone.
Speaker 3: Did he drop the pen before he signed the retirement?
Speaker 3: Whoa wow? That was one of my biggest memories of
Speaker 3: Eagles Cowboys when I was when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: where he dropped the drop the touchdown. Yeah, yeah, there
Speaker 3: you go. So just a little bit of news there.
Speaker 5: All right, let's pick it Cowboys versus Seahawks, the fighting
Speaker 5: Dallas Cowboys versus the fighting Isaiah Standbacks. I mean the
Speaker 5: Seattle Seahawks. You're not a Seahawks guy, I.
Speaker 8: Mean, are you gonna pick Seattle? Are you going to
Speaker 8: pick Seattle? I am a Seattle guys.
Speaker 3: You're a Gattle sport You're not a Seahawks.
Speaker 8: I am a Seattle sports fan. I'm not a fan
Speaker 8: of Mets around here.
Speaker 3: But okay, now every athlete ever from Seattle go.
Speaker 8: Doing this right down.
Speaker 7: As much as I love Seattle, I don't see them
Speaker 7: beating Dallas. I do believe that it will be a
Speaker 7: much more competitive game than Dallas has had in recent weeks.
Speaker 7: I think this is gonna be like a twenty four
Speaker 7: to seventeen type of deal. Lower scoring, we're scoring.
Speaker 3: Game, a little bit grinded out game. I like it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm right around the same scenario.
Speaker 5: I think Dallas maybe gets a big play late to
Speaker 5: hit the thirty point mark. I'm gonna say thirty one sixteen,
Speaker 5: and Seattle misses like a pat or something along the way.
Speaker 5: So give me, give me the Cowboys to win it,
Speaker 5: and I think mostly it's because the defense, like I
Speaker 5: said a moment ago, sets the tone early. They get
Speaker 5: a big interception or something, or a fumble recovery from
Speaker 5: Gino Smith, they pressure him, they take advantage of that
Speaker 5: offensive line that's not very good, and they force a turnover,
Speaker 5: give an extra possession short field to the offense, and
Speaker 5: they get out on top early. And this is a
Speaker 5: Cowboys team that is built to play with a lead,
Speaker 5: so I think they take that lead early and that's
Speaker 5: what they ride to a thirty one to sixteen win.
Speaker 3: I love that. I think the defense is going to
Speaker 3: be the catalyst towards this one this week. I think,
Speaker 3: especially with it looks like Kenneth Walker not playing, I
Speaker 3: don't feel like there's gonna be a lot of opportunities
Speaker 3: for this Seattle offense to really get going. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a sharbon eight times shout out to
Speaker 3: PAC twelve UCLA. I think I have it at twenty
Speaker 3: four to fourteen Cowboys. Rip that the PAC twelve thirty thirty.
Speaker 6: One twenty Cowboys.
Speaker 9: I just the way they've been playing at home, it's
Speaker 9: I can't go against it. It's it's I've been It's
Speaker 9: the most impressive thing that they've done over the last
Speaker 9: two years to me, just I can't believe that they've
Speaker 9: been able to build that type of an advantage at home.
Speaker 9: This will be a tougher game than any of these
Speaker 9: previous ones have been at eighteen T Stadium, But I
Speaker 9: just feel like the defense will make a big play
Speaker 9: here or there, and I think the offense will do enough.
Speaker 9: And I do think Ceedlamb will have a big game.
Speaker 3: So thirty one twenty, let's go. Let's go. What's your way?
Speaker 3: What's your definition of a big game? What does he
Speaker 3: get to hit? One hundred yards? Just don't say over
Speaker 3: under hundred yards, no hot sauce.
Speaker 9: I'll say.
Speaker 6: I'll say seventy five yards? Touchdown? Two point conversion?
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh I could see that.
Speaker 3: A point conversion.
Speaker 6: I guess how would he get to thirty one?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I missed extra point?
Speaker 8: You know, I have sixty one yards in my head.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay in a touchdown?
Speaker 8: Sixty one winning a touchdown?
Speaker 5: Pretty good game either one of you guys hit pretty
Speaker 5: good games.
Speaker 3: Zone.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, all right, that does it for us.
Speaker 5: You're on talking Cowboys but it doesn't do it for us.
Speaker 5: Throughout the week. We will be back on Friday. Not
Speaker 5: Isaiah stand back. Isaiah is going to be at the
Speaker 5: last Pac twelve game ever played. Congrats your Washington Huskies.
Speaker 5: Good luck on Friday.
Speaker 8: Let's go.
Speaker 5: We can catch Isaiah on Cowboys Pregame Live though way through.
Speaker 3: Just make Bo Nicks not win the Heisman, please, I
Speaker 3: don't want to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we will be back on Friday.
Speaker 3: John will be here, Josh will be here, Nick will
Speaker 3: be here. I will be here as well. Chris Beams
Speaker 3: always here.
Speaker 5: We will be back Friday, nine am Central Time to
Speaker 5: break down the Cowboys and the Seahawks Thursday Night Football
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Speaker 5: for Chris be Isaiah Standback, John Manchoda, Nick Harras, and
Speaker 5: Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Star in Frisco.
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