WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 052122 The Racist Mass Shooting in Buffalo NY that Killed 10 Black People (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>And now.

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<v Speaker 2>My back.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We can strike waters from head borders behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those just tuning in to Civic Cipher, I

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<v Speaker 1>am your host, Rams's Jack. I am today and moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward referred to as Q Waterer. Yes, indeed, and stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a lot more to talk about. We're still

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<v Speaker 1>peeling back the layers of the hate crime slash mass

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<v Speaker 1>shooting in Buffalo, New York. We're going to discuss some

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<v Speaker 1>details and I'm trying to figure out the whys and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe kick around some ideas and how we can what

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<v Speaker 1>we can do, you know, moving forward. So yeah, Also,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna spend our way black history fact talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a lady named Laya Chase who the Princess and the

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<v Speaker 1>Frog movie, the Disney movie was based on her. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>and that felt kind of special. So I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 1>share that with you. The first and foremost, let's discuss

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<v Speaker 1>how to become a better ally? Ba shall we we? Shall?

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<v Speaker 1>You want to take this movie? You want me to get?

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<v Speaker 1>This is from TMZ. Okay, let's go. Justin Bieber, a

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<v Speaker 1>young man who I've met and you know, have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of respect for, at a concert in Buffalo addressed,

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<v Speaker 1>They're very, very difficult and impossible. Why I have to

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<v Speaker 1>feel mass shooting that happened in the city where he

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<v Speaker 1>was performing, asking his audience for a moment of silence,

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't waste any time addressing it, you know, right

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<v Speaker 1>off the bat, at the start of the show, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>asked the people and attenders to join them in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment of silence. This was Saturday, so this was immediately

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<v Speaker 1>at the Key Bank Center, just hours after a man

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly gunned down at least ten individuals and what clearly

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to be a race driven attack. But even amid

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<v Speaker 1>the blood bath, Justin called for peace. He posted a

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<v Speaker 1>few videos showing him talking about the massacre at a

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<v Speaker 1>few different points in the concert, including right before he

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<v Speaker 1>took stage, where he went into prayer with his team.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, Justin went on to perform to a pack

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<v Speaker 1>house full of people who were static to see him.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like before he dove into any music, though,

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<v Speaker 1>he took a moment to acknowledge the tragedy and even

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<v Speaker 1>called for a moment of silence. You can hear people

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<v Speaker 1>hooting and hollering during this solemn period, and Justin called

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<v Speaker 1>them out, asking why couldn't you respect it? I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that part is important, you know, for becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>better ally. We sometimes we ask you to share your platform,

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<v Speaker 1>share your voice. If you have an audience listening, to

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<v Speaker 1>please share it. But in this instance we thought that

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<v Speaker 1>this stood out because Justin doubled down on the Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have some respect, you know. And so that's our

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<v Speaker 1>example for this week of how to become a better ally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to point out, as will round us in

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<v Speaker 1>his IG posts, racism will never prevail prevail God. Does

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<v Speaker 1>we stand with you, Buffalo and stand against the racist

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<v Speaker 1>act of terror? Bo shout out JB. All right, replacement theory.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Let me read a little bit please.

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<v Speaker 1>So this one comes from the New York Times. From

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six to twenty nineteen, seventy seven percent of

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooters obtain the weapons they used for their crimes

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<v Speaker 1>through legal purchases, according to a comprehensive survey of law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement data, academic papers, and news accounts compiled by the

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<v Speaker 1>National Institute of Justice, the research wing of the Justice Department. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I'm saying that is because what we have

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<v Speaker 1>is people going and purchasing legal firearms right, and this one,

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<v Speaker 1>this mass shooting, we will be fair. This mass shooting

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<v Speaker 1>was targeted black mass shooting. There have been mass shootings

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<v Speaker 1>that have targeted Hispanic people. There have been mass shootings

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<v Speaker 1>that have targeted our brothers and sisters who are Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>or from the Middle East. There have been mass shootings

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<v Speaker 1>who have been indiscriminate. There have, of course been mass

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<v Speaker 1>shootings that have targeted LGBTQIA plus brothers and sisters and

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<v Speaker 1>our family from those communities as well. There's a gun

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<v Speaker 1>problem here, and seventy seven percent of mass shooters obtained

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<v Speaker 1>the weapons they use through legal purchases. In upstate New

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<v Speaker 1>York a few months ago, the eighteen year old suspect

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<v Speaker 1>in the Buffalo shooting walked into Vintage Firearms and Sleepy Indicott,

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<v Speaker 1>passed an instant background check without a glitch, and bought

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<v Speaker 1>a used bush Master M fifteen semi automatic rifle, a

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<v Speaker 1>copy of the ubiquitous AR fifteen used in many other

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<v Speaker 1>mass shootings. Now this is the gun that Q was mentioning.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote all of this stuff on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I know he wrote was again he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the N word at the end of the barrel of

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<v Speaker 1>that gun, and he wrote, I think he wrote, here

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<v Speaker 1>is your reparations on the gun. That's been a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an ask for black people ever since really the end

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<v Speaker 1>of slavery. You know, it was once proposed that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>forty acres and a mule ought to cover it, but

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<v Speaker 1>that never happened, and so we've just been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out ever since then. But you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us and a lot of non black people

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like there's kind of a debt to be

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<v Speaker 1>paid there. You know, it's economic empowerment would change quite

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. He also paid tribute to one of his heroes,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, Yeah, aforementioned Dylan Ruth. And there were other

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<v Speaker 1>things written on the gun as well. Perhaps there were

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<v Speaker 1>just codes for other white supremacists or whatever, but but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, another right wing media personality mentioned something that

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<v Speaker 1>if you took the enrollment numbers of all the white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacists organizations in the country, that they wouldn't even fit

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<v Speaker 1>into a college or that they would fit into a

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<v Speaker 1>college football stadium, right, And that's sort of a strange

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<v Speaker 1>way to quantify racism, because race, to be a racist,

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<v Speaker 1>to be a white supremacist, doesn't mean that necessarily mean

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<v Speaker 1>that you need to be registered for and receive the newsletters.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have to be an extremist in any form,

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<v Speaker 1>or you can be and just not be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of those organizations. Yeah, but I mean, let's say double

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<v Speaker 1>that number, say all of the extremists also registered, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so now you've got two football stadiums or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 1>think trying to make it like, hey, there's only a

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<v Speaker 1>couple hundred thousand of these people in this nation of millions.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a small number. But we're not just talking about extremists.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I have talked that length. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of very very passive racists, I think, angering us

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<v Speaker 1>even more, those who can be sort of apathetic about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a big of a deal. It's not really

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<v Speaker 1>bothering us, so, you know, and it's not alarming to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people on the right, because you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>things that they fear are in our estimation, largely imaginary.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing we're in line with white supremacy. There you go. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we fear are real. You know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>told a story, you and I have told a story

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<v Speaker 1>before of a real panic inducing incident that happened to

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<v Speaker 1>the both of us in Mississippi driving back home from Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>where we had to interact with some police. And what's

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<v Speaker 1>so intense, Ramses, is that we've told that story now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, half a dozen times, and every time we

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<v Speaker 1>tell it, it feels less scary because we're further removed

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<v Speaker 1>from it until this happens. And then I remember why

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<v Speaker 1>we were so terrified when it happened. It's a real

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<v Speaker 1>it was in the wake of something similar that the

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<v Speaker 1>country felt a lot like it does now, and driving

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<v Speaker 1>through the Deep South in this country and the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of that, like even Ramses and I would stop and

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<v Speaker 1>take pictures because for those of you that don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Ramses visited every state while we were sitting down, while

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't outside, ram just thought, Okay, let me go

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<v Speaker 1>see this country that he also loves, because somehow, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't, if you're not a patriot in the way

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<v Speaker 1>of the white supremist, you don't love America. Now if

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<v Speaker 1>there's to some degree critical correct, So now that you

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<v Speaker 1>bring that back up, my heart just started beating fast

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<v Speaker 1>because we were terrified when that happened. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>why these are not one offs this is it's more

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<v Speaker 1>likely that we don't survive that than that we did.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in the wake of it we can kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hoof. But during it, especially in this moment where

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<v Speaker 1>Ramses can't see me. You understand, I'm outside of the car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pitch black outside. There's me and these two members

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<v Speaker 1>of our law enforcement community in Mississippi at three o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, in the wake of George Floyd. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to add this too. They took you out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car, and they didn't need to. They knew everything

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<v Speaker 1>they needed to know. So when they came back and

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<v Speaker 1>said can you step out of the car, then it

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<v Speaker 1>went from scary to really scary because I knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was a matter of time before it was coming to

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<v Speaker 1>getting me out of the car. Q got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car to make the likelihood that he died less.

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<v Speaker 1>Now imagine I'm going towards these guys and their guns,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that that makes it less likely that they'll use

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<v Speaker 1>them on me when there's zero reason for me to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of this car. So that's the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>real fear and imaginary fear. Now I have to be

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<v Speaker 1>measured here. Fear makes people do strange things. Whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not it's based in a shared reality or based on

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<v Speaker 1>some delusion, it makes people do strange things. Right, these

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<v Speaker 1>are facts, so I have to say this, right. But

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<v Speaker 1>a part of that imaginary fear that exists on the right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's called replacement theory. So replacement theory. Now, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to explain it verbatim, but effectually, replacement theory is

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that there is an intentional, concerted, deliberate effort

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<v Speaker 1>by liberals to increase the birth rates or otherwise maintain

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<v Speaker 1>high birth rates for melanated individuals, non white individuals, and

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<v Speaker 1>to bring in other people from other countries to help

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<v Speaker 1>bolster a liberal political agenda through voting or through numbers,

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<v Speaker 1>or through whatever it is. And the reason it's called

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<v Speaker 1>replacement theory is because a lot of this is largely

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<v Speaker 1>a white male thing. Feel like that subscribe to this

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<v Speaker 1>way of thinking, feel like they're deliberately getting replaced and

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<v Speaker 1>written out of their land and their history. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we could talk about that, because we know that this

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<v Speaker 1>land actually belongs to our Native brothers and sisters. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to have a conversation about the Aboriginal people. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>we can talk about it here, though nobody will to

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<v Speaker 1>have that conversation. Well, yeah, but the thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>this has caused I know you're not gonna like this,

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<v Speaker 1>cue I don't. I know that I'm me saying this

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it makes me my stomach turn a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know it's true right now. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>say it, but it will always be true because this

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<v Speaker 1>is the man that I am, and this is the

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<v Speaker 1>microphone I got, and I got to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>These people that are so scared of me, they're still

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<v Speaker 1>my brothers, they're still my sisters. And I don't it's

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<v Speaker 1>not my responsibility, but there's got to be something there

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<v Speaker 1>where me understand standing their fears and the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>their fears, maybe I can help them not be so afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't push back hard on that, because there's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with compassion and empathy. However, you have nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>base it on. You have the history of humanity that

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<v Speaker 1>tells you the opposite is true. Right, there's no longer

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<v Speaker 1>a redeeming quality here. Like I know, black people specifically

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<v Speaker 1>have gone out of our way to not just extend

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<v Speaker 1>this outive branch, but to create this space where there

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<v Speaker 1>should be a redeeming quality right where we should be

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<v Speaker 1>able to point to this young man and the difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>of his life and his fears and his ideology, and

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<v Speaker 1>point to how that sent him spiraling into this murderous rage.

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<v Speaker 1>For what Why do we have to afford them that

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<v Speaker 1>the redeeming qualities don't exist, the road back doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is this progress? The nation's getting younger, and as

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<v Speaker 1>you said, the birth rates are increasing, we have more

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<v Speaker 1>people and younger people. How old is this kid? It's twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>not even twenty. This is not some sixty year old

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<v Speaker 1>get off my lawn inWORD, No, this is an eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old young man in New York a very metropolitanism

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<v Speaker 1>staate or and three right, and the hypocrisy and even

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they think their own ideologies contradict each other. Sure, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to they're going to replace us, right, but

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<v Speaker 1>then they make self safe and healthy abortions less available

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<v Speaker 1>to poor people. That's a great point. So right, we

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<v Speaker 1>must make sure they have babies, But then once they

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<v Speaker 1>have them, we have to make sure we keep those

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<v Speaker 1>people off of welfare. So which is it? Folks like

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<v Speaker 1>your pro life, but you're not pro taking care of

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<v Speaker 1>those lives once they get here, especially those who are

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<v Speaker 1>most helpless and can do the least for themselves. Is

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<v Speaker 1>a very very confusing pullpit that they preach from. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're able to pedal ignorance because the audience does not

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<v Speaker 1>require them to be based in any truth. As long

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<v Speaker 1>as it's hateful and divisive and racist, it flies. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me offer this. So twenty twenty, doctor Camilla Westernberg, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a good friend of the show, reached out to me

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<v Speaker 1>and she says, hey, Ramses, the census is there. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like an effort by the US Census to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that black and brown neighborhoods are reporting accurately so that

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<v Speaker 1>we can have enough fire departments and enough schools and

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<v Speaker 1>enough resources. So we need the census data so that

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<v Speaker 1>government funds will be allotted appropriately in black in brown neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 1>And without people reporting, without people knowing the whys, they

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<v Speaker 1>won't report. Without those reporting, you know, the community suffer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I will say, because I know this, there is

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<v Speaker 1>a deep distrust of black and brown communities of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>So telling anybody your business with reason, Yeah, telling anybody

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<v Speaker 1>your business is not something that you readily do in

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<v Speaker 1>those communities. But when you see the why, when you

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<v Speaker 1>see what it's for, maybe it might help out. So

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<v Speaker 1>I helped, you know, in Arizona where I live in Phoenix, Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>For those that don't know, I'm a radio personality. Certainly

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<v Speaker 1>was back then and I'm still now obviously a radio personality,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, having a big name and having some

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<v Speaker 1>status in my city, I was one of those people

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<v Speaker 1>that can kind of motivate folks to champion this cause, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let's make sure we all get out there and do

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<v Speaker 1>this right. What it did was it gave me in

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<v Speaker 1>site into what was happening in the country. And you

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<v Speaker 1>and I have talked about this on the show before too.

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<v Speaker 1>When those numbers came back, it reflected what a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people knew to be true, which was that the

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<v Speaker 1>racial makeup of the country was changing. It just confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>again what everyone knew to be true that this country,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of its percentages, was moving away from a

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<v Speaker 1>majority white country to a minority white cot. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>would still be the largest minority, but you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>still the largest the majority. That yes, singularly the majority.

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<v Speaker 1>But if if you take all of the minorities and

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<v Speaker 1>put them together, then it would make up the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of humans. Now, is that eventually or already? I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that we're on the cusp of it, So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say that that's true yet. But

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<v Speaker 1>the writing is on the wall, like it's it's inevitable

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. There's no way to kind of bring

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<v Speaker 1>that one back in. So it's a matter of time

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<v Speaker 1>now for people who were born in this country. If

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<v Speaker 1>you were born in the nineties, if you were born

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, you know, born in the seventies, whenever

0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.399
<v Speaker 1>you were born. You know how old you are listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this show. You know, maybe you are a white man.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know a white man. I hope at least

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things is true. Again, those are our brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>same as anyone else, right, you, if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>white man, you were born into a country that said that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could live the American dream. This has

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<v Speaker 1>been true since the forties, fifties. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a country you know you can if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of stick to itness, a little bit of fortitude,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, drive, a little bit of brains, work ethic,

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can do anything. American dream, right, greatest

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<v Speaker 1>marketing campaign of all time. Well, it's effective. It makes

0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone think that they have a fair shot at it. Yes,

0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 1>and face live, but yes, effective effective. You know this

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<v Speaker 1>American dream is yours. Right. You can be a rock star,

0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.199
<v Speaker 1>you can be a football player, you can be a

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<v Speaker 1>titan of industry, you can be a millionaire. You can

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<v Speaker 1>have the prettiest girl you know, wherever in your town

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever she can. She's going to fall in love

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<v Speaker 1>with you. If you watch these movies and you know

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<v Speaker 1>you can be top gun, fly your airplane, you can

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<v Speaker 1>be I don't know whatever, whatever it is that you

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<v Speaker 1>think is cool. That's that's something that's realistic for you. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of your reality reinforces that all the

0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.440
<v Speaker 1>presidents look like they could be you. You know, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the judges and the people with prominence of people

0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.560
<v Speaker 1>on TV growing up in that time, people look like you,

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<v Speaker 1>The people with status that people were, the heroes in

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<v Speaker 1>the movies, et cetera. Right, So of course that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Right then you get a little bit older and reality

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<v Speaker 1>starts to set in. And not only did those things

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<v Speaker 1>not become true because of what Q and I like

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<v Speaker 1>to call capitalism, but also you realize that this American

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<v Speaker 1>dream thing is pretty much the only thing that you

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<v Speaker 1>got left. Well, I'm not a rock star, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least I'm American. You know, I'm not a whatever, but

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<v Speaker 1>at least I'm American. But I know I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a real thing, you know, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is why we see a lot of my belief

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<v Speaker 1>why we see a lot of flags and American to

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<v Speaker 1>that group became synonymous with something else. Sure, sure, but

0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 1>it creates a sense of community. Human beings, we need community.

0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:56.520
<v Speaker 1>That we're social creatures. That's just what we do. So

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<v Speaker 1>tie that binds for a lot of folks and for

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<v Speaker 1>it to becoming us versus them in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>American and who gets to fly the flag? That sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a thing. And then of course Donald Trump coming

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<v Speaker 1>along and kind of with fanning those flames, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>gasoline on those flames. Here you go, and all the

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<v Speaker 1>while you see the population shifting away from that last

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<v Speaker 1>pillar that you can stand on. This is our at least,

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<v Speaker 1>this is our country. And I got my rights, freedom speech,

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<v Speaker 1>I can carry a gun. You know that my Bible

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<v Speaker 1>got my gun. You know, this sort of thing. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>die on that ship. Well, when it comes to like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, hold on, the country is shifting away

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<v Speaker 1>from you, know what I mean? And then imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>world changing out from under you that you thought was

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<v Speaker 1>so solid, right even if you're even if that's all

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<v Speaker 1>you have and you don't necessarily hate this group or

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<v Speaker 1>hate that group, but if let's say that's all you have,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a scary world to live in as it's actively

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<v Speaker 1>changing away from you. And I just need to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to say that before we move on. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say this out loud. This is from CNN.

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<v Speaker 1>President Joe Biden on Tuesday did not hesitate to call

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<v Speaker 1>the deadly mass shooting in Buffalo an act of domestic terrorism,

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<v Speaker 1>condemning the racist ideology of the suspected shooter. Why supremacy

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<v Speaker 1>is a poison. It's a poison running through our body

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<v Speaker 1>of politics, Biden said, adding that silence is complicity. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's important to say that part out loud, rams

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think? Absolutely, there's also a part of

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<v Speaker 1>this that I feel is important if we understand sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the root cause of why people are so freid,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe our conversations, maybe if we come across someone

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<v Speaker 1>and we can talk them off of the ledge. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we can let them know that there is not a

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<v Speaker 1>concerted effort. This is just natural. I know. It's we

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<v Speaker 1>have to say something thing. So that's what I got.

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<v Speaker 1>My brother is so hopeful. I don't think we would

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<v Speaker 1>be on the radio for we did no reason at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we'd be on the radio. We knew

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<v Speaker 1>we could do something to support the way that you

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<v Speaker 1>feel with that regard my brother. That hey man, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's a a prayer bless you man. Anyway, it's

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<v Speaker 1>time for the Way Black History Facts. So we'll leave

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<v Speaker 1>it there. Yeah, that flow. We're praying for you guys

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. This week. The Way Black History Fact

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<v Speaker 1>comes from hip Hop Wiki, sponsored by Hip Hop Wiky magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>The source is the James Beard Foundation. So I will

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<v Speaker 1>read lead Chase. She received the twenty sixteen Lifetime Achievement Award,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to read from that article article so

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<v Speaker 1>that she so I can make this breathe. But the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is she is the inswer again for Tiana, the

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<v Speaker 1>Princess from Disney's The Princess and the Fraud. So this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't something made up imaginary whatever this is based on,

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<v Speaker 1>like a real person, and a real Black woman at that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I didn't know the roots ran this deep.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm happy to share this with you, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lifetime Achievement Award is given to an individual whose

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime body of work has had a positive and long

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<v Speaker 1>lasting impact on the way we eat, cook, and or

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<v Speaker 1>think about food in America. Trailblazers don't always intend to

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<v Speaker 1>beat a new path. When Leah Chase first moved to

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans in nineteen forty, she chose not to follow

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<v Speaker 1>her aunt's to work in a factory. Instead, she applied

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<v Speaker 1>for a job as a waitress in the French Quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to the French Quarter. It was a humble,

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<v Speaker 1>entray entree, I guess is how I say that into hospitality,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the first step toward her groundbreaking role as

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<v Speaker 1>the chef at Doukie Chase's restaurant, a position that she

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<v Speaker 1>has held for seven decades. I do want to mention

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<v Speaker 1>that she has since passed since this article came out,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll read it as it was written. She has

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<v Speaker 1>spent politicians and civil rights leaders, celebrities and bus drivers,

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<v Speaker 1>all while amassing an influential collection of African American art.

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<v Speaker 1>As New Orleans born food historian Lolis Eric Ellie says,

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<v Speaker 1>quote missus Chase is an icon of American cooking, of

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<v Speaker 1>Creole cooking, and of African American cooking. Quote. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty six, Leah Lange married Edgar Dukie Chase Junior, a

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<v Speaker 1>big band leader whose family had owned Dukie Chase's restaurant,

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<v Speaker 1>a sandwich shop, and a bar room in Treme. The

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood at the heart of New Orleans is black and

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<v Speaker 1>Creole culture since nineteen forty one. Quote. When we got married,

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<v Speaker 1>I said we're going to change things. What it calls chase.

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<v Speaker 1>The black community had no restaurants. We only had fried chicken,

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<v Speaker 1>fried fish, and that kind of thing. Inspired by restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>in the French Quarter, she reinvented her husband's business, adding

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<v Speaker 1>Creole cuisine to its menu, tablecloths to his dining room,

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<v Speaker 1>and art to its walls. Most radically, the reimagined Doogie

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<v Speaker 1>Chase became one of the first restaurants in the segregated

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<v Speaker 1>South where black people and white people could dine together.

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom Riders made plans over gumbo and fried chicken, while

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<v Speaker 1>Third good Marshall, Constance Baker Motley, and Martin Luther King

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<v Speaker 1>Junior held strategy sessions in the upstairs meeting room. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>In some ways we changed the course of America right

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<v Speaker 1>here in this restaurant, Chase says, in a moment when

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<v Speaker 1>trends come and go, when restaurants come and go, when

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<v Speaker 1>chefs come and go, she has proven the value of

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<v Speaker 1>fidelity to place, to community, to purpose, says John T. Edge,

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<v Speaker 1>director of the Southern Food Bays Alliance, of which Chase

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<v Speaker 1>is a founding member. Quote. Through her restaurant and her

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<v Speaker 1>long service to the community, she proved that to invest

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<v Speaker 1>deeply in one place, by way of your restaurant, is

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<v Speaker 1>a higher calling in our world. Quote. Her influence extends

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the mere culinary end. Quote, says Jessica Harris, author

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<v Speaker 1>of Beyond Gumbo, Creole Fusion Food from the Atlantic Grim

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<v Speaker 1>and longtime friend of Chaser's. She's been an extraordinary force

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<v Speaker 1>for good and for change in New Orleans. She has

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<v Speaker 1>captured the imagination of young African American chefs around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>thereby becoming not only an icon but also a role model.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and five, Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters reached five

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<v Speaker 1>feet inside the restaurant, and the damage forced a business

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<v Speaker 1>to close for two years. Right Anderson, restaurant critic for

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<v Speaker 1>The Times Picayune, visited Chase after the water receded. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I have an incredibly vivid image of this hunched over

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<v Speaker 1>woman living in a trailer in a neighborhood where there

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<v Speaker 1>was really nobody living anymore. Quote. Outside were completely devastated buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was talking so cheerfully about how everything was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be okay. That's when I realized what missus

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Chase was up to. She was assuming a certain responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>during the interview. Sorry, During the intervening decade, the area

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the restaurant has changed. The Lafitte housing projects, which

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 1>sat across the street for decades were torn down, but

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<v Speaker 1>Dookie Chase remains as a ballast for the community. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a neighborhood restaurant in the best sense of

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<v Speaker 1>the word in quotes, says Edge. Quote. The people who

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<v Speaker 1>once lived in that neighborhood have dispersed, but when they returned,

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<v Speaker 1>the returning to their neighborhood restaurant. No matter where they

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<v Speaker 1>live now, Dookie Chase is still a family owned restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>with Lea Chase now ninety three and her daughter stell

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<v Speaker 1>A Chase Reese at the Helm every day. Quote. At

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<v Speaker 1>some point they're going to get rid of me and

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<v Speaker 1>my grandchildren will take over. Chase chuckles. I push hard

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<v Speaker 1>every day. I work every day I come into this

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen and I work that work, ethic, that cheer. These

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<v Speaker 1>are hallmarks of Lea Chase's life. Quote missus Chase seeks

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<v Speaker 1>to see the best in people and seeks to be

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<v Speaker 1>a peacemaker and quote says Ellie, quote if you talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her about politics, what you'll find is her looking

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<v Speaker 1>for common ground. She's often said, quote, if I can

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<v Speaker 1>get the people on both sides to just sit down

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<v Speaker 1>at my table, I think we can work this out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an optimism there, a faith in humanity that exemplifies

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<v Speaker 1>who she is and exemplifies her approach to cooking. Purchase

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen of Creole cuisine. It's simple. Quote, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care if you're the Pope, the president. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>eat and I can cook for you. Unquote, she says,

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<v Speaker 1>quote all I do is try to make people happy

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<v Speaker 1>through food. Now Disney Princess and Frog based a character

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<v Speaker 1>on this woman. She passed in two thousand and nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken, But that's a movie. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have little sisters. When The Princess and the Frog

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<v Speaker 1>came out, that was the Black Disney Princess. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it might have been twenty fourteen ish when that movie

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<v Speaker 1>came out, give or take. It felt long overdue, but

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<v Speaker 1>it felt special for that to come out. Now there's

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<v Speaker 1>a princess that my sister named Princess could dress up

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<v Speaker 1>like and not feel like she wasn't matching. If you will,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that matters. The reason we're talking about it

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<v Speaker 1>today is because there's a woman who lived an inspirational life.

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<v Speaker 1>You might think of her as a chef, but we

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<v Speaker 1>know that a woman like this is special, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the way our community works, the way our culture works,

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<v Speaker 1>that's special. And it is our honor to honor her.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is a pleasant surprise to know that she

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<v Speaker 1>was the inspiration for a movie that really mattered, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like before Black Panther came out, there was Tiana and

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<v Speaker 1>the Princess and the Frog in that mattered. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we'd had a chance to meet her. That

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<v Speaker 1>would have been awesome. That would have been incredible. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to do it for us today here on

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<v Speaker 1>Today is you know, we were doing last week's show,

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<v Speaker 1>What a wonderful world, but it's our world. And so

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