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Okay, 16 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson's now a member of the Cleveland Browns and 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: the Browns are going to look to trade Baker Mayfield. 18 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: Let me start with this. Baker Mayfield's market is really small, 19 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: so just go team by team in the AFC and NFC. 20 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: I'd make the argument the only place Baker Mayfield's a 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: viable option is Seattle. Tough division, don't have a starter, 22 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: fairly desperate, seventy year old coach that wants to win now. 23 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: He's not going to go to New Orleans. They wanted 24 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: to go big game hunting with Deshaun and missed out. 25 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: He's not going to Atlanta. Matt Ryan may get an extension. 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: He's got one year left and he's too expensive. He's 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: not going to Carolina. They're already paying eighteen million for 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. The Jets are staying with their guy. The 29 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: Giants are staying with their guy. Washington got their guy, 30 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: Phillies stand with their guy. Look around the National Football League, 31 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: it seems to me the spot is Seattle. I don't 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: think he's worth probably more than a sixth round pick, 33 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: maybe a fifth. Remember, so when he got one year 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: left in a contract and he's expensive at eighteen million, 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: what are you going to give up for Baker Mayfield. 36 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: There's no guarantee you get him for two years, and 37 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure Seattle is not going to draft 38 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Malik Willis out of Liberty with their first pick, 39 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: So there's not much of a market. Cleveland's not going 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: to get much as far as Deshaun Watson. Listen, he's 41 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: got a lot of detractors. He's better than Baker Mayfield. 42 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: The Browns today are better than than we're a year ago. 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: Here's the issue with Deshaun Watson. It's a super expensive contract. 44 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: So at some point, not this year, but at some 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: point in the next three to four years, you have 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: to pay the piper on this stuff. You're gonna have 47 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: to probably move off a couple of expensive players. So 48 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: I've said this with Dak and I'll say it with 49 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You can kick this shit down the road, 50 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: But when you pay Deshaun Watson to be the highest 51 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: paid quarterback in the NFL, and in my opinion, he's 52 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: not a top five quarterback in the NFL. He's somewhere 53 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: between eight and twelve. But we haven't seen him play much, 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: and we haven't seen him play well mostly in the 55 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: last two years. So I don't like the contract. If 56 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: it significantly bothers you, I got your back on that. 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: I totally understand it from a football perspective. I thought 58 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: they paid a little bit too much for him. He 59 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: also may serve a fairly long suspension in year one. 60 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: So just look at the division. The Bengals have upgraded 61 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: their offensive line, the Steelers have upgraded their offensive line, 62 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: and at quarterback Baltimore Lamar's healthy, They've upgraded their roster. 63 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: There's a real chance Deshaun Watson doesn't plan in September. 64 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: So if you're a Browns fan, this is a long 65 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: term investment. Don't get your hopes to for this year. 66 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: There's going to be a lot of noise, a lot 67 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: of pushback, a lot of controversy, a lot of ugliness. 68 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: He may not play in September and early October. There's 69 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: a lot of unknowns with Deshaun Watson. And if you 70 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: are deeply bothered by him playing in the NFL, I 71 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: get it. You know, my wife and I talk about 72 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: this all the time. There are certain artists she just 73 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: refuses to listen to. There are actors that she won't support, 74 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I get it. I totally support it. 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Having been a sportscaster my entire adult life, you know, 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: if I turned the television off every time an athlete 77 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: did something that I find detestable, you know there'd be 78 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: moments where I wouldn't be able to talk about certain 79 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: topics I'm supposed to talk about. But I get it. 80 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: The allegations are grotesque. I've got a daughter, I've got 81 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: a wife, I've got a sister. They're detestable, and I 82 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: would just say temporaryr enthusiasm as a Brown fan for 83 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: a year. We have not seen de Shaun Watson play 84 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: in a long time. He may not play early. That's 85 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: a big contract to live up to, and that division today, Baltimore, Cincinnati, 86 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh are all better this morning than they were 87 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the season. One of the most 88 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: shocking moves, or perhaps the most shocking move of the 89 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: free agent period, was Davante Adams bailing on the Packers 90 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers Listen. In the end, I don't have 91 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: a problem with what the Raiders paid Davanta Adams because 92 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: they have an elite quarterback who they're going to have 93 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: to make a big decision on. They have a top 94 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: five running back, a top two tight end, and maybe 95 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: in Hunter Renfrow, the best slot receiver in the league. 96 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: They would not be going after Davanta Adams unless it 97 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: was an area of need. They need a number one 98 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: and by landing it in their division, they feel like 99 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: they have the ammunition to compete. I'd loved the move, 100 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: and can we be honest about this giving up picks 101 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: for star players. Haven't the La Rams sort of shown 102 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: us the way. If you can get a Jalen Ramsey 103 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: or a Matt Stafford, go get it. It's better than 104 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: an interior defensive lineman from South Carolina who's twenty two 105 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: years old. You're crossing your fingers. You don't know if 106 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: he can play. So I got no problem for Davanta 107 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: Adams in the AFC West with an elite quarterback. We're 108 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: not talking about unknowns here. We know the Raiders in 109 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: the draft now can go after and help the right 110 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: side of their offensive line. It's not bad on the 111 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: left side, not great on the right. They also signed 112 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones to go with Max Crosby. It created clarity. 113 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: By getting Davante Adams, it created clarity. Let's solve the 114 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: right side of our offensive line in the draft. Let's 115 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: solve our secondary. Everything else, they're good. I'll say this. 116 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: I talked to a general manager over the weekend. He said, 117 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: forget a number one receiver. The Packers don't have a 118 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: number two receiver. He goes, I'm not sure they have 119 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: a number three receiver. And how many years can they 120 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: get out of Mercedes Lewis? Green Bay right now doesn't 121 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,679 Speaker 1: have the weapons. And I hear this well, Aaron Rodgers 122 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: seven and oh without Davanta Adams, Folks, It's one thing 123 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: to miss Davanta Adams for a week or two or 124 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: a game or two. Going into a season without Davanta 125 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: Adams or a number two receiver is different. My wife 126 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: can be gone for a weekend, the house is fine. 127 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: If she left for seventeen weeks, the place would burn 128 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to the ground. It's much different preparing against the Packers 129 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: knowing they don't have a one, Knowing you can put 130 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: intense pressure on Aaron Rodgers and he doesn't have his 131 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: back shoulder partner, then missing him for a game, okay, 132 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: this is a whole different ball game. Now, remember green 133 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: Bay again is going to have a first place schedule. 134 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: You can go look at who the Packers play. The 135 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: games are not in order yet, go look at their schedule. 136 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: It's again a rough one for green Bay. I thought 137 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: it was a staggering loss in a league that is 138 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: increasingly about quarterbacks, their weapons and pass rushes. They don't 139 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: have an elite pass rush, and they may now this morning. 140 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure this is arguable. Green Bay has 141 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: the worst wide receiving corps in the league. This morning, 142 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of three in fours and they may 143 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: be all fours. Matt Stafford signed a contract extension. No 144 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: big press conference, no drama, no holdout. You would not 145 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: have known about it if not for the Rams Twitter account. 146 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: You know, years and years ago I said this and 147 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: got some pushback. I said, how do we know that 148 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: Stafford's not a better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers. Matt Stafford 149 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: was a better high school quarterback than Aaron Rodgers, not close. 150 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: He was the number one high school quarterba the country. 151 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers went to a junior college. He was a 152 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: much better college quarterback than Aaron Rodgers. Stafford picked number one. 153 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: First couple of years as a starter in the NFL. 154 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: He was better than Aaron Rodgers first couple of years. 155 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers didn't start until year four. Matt Stafford first 156 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: three years went to the playoffs once. So we know 157 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: that Stafford high school college, first three to four years 158 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: in the pros was a better football player than Aaron Rodgers. 159 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: Then he simply couldn't overcome the nonsense of the Detroit Lions. Finally, 160 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: this year he gets a legitimate squad, good management, excellent coach, 161 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: wins a super Bowl. By the way, with Jim Caldwell 162 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,119 Speaker 1: four years winning record and three of them, Matt Stafford 163 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: between his arm talent, between his emotional discipline, next five years, 164 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: what if he wins another Super Bowl or two, who's 165 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: going to be better? We also know that Stafford has 166 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: more come from behind wins than Aaron Rodgers already. Already. 167 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: We also know it was the highest rated fourth quarter 168 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL fourteen TDS no picks, highest second 169 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: half passer rating. Sometimes this is why I hold back 170 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: on criticizing people with big, strong opinions in sports. If 171 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: you'd have said five years ago, Stafford's better than Aaron Rodgers, 172 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: people would have said, that's ludicrous. What if they repeat, 173 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: what if Aaron doesn't win the division this year? Which 174 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: I'll say this second, I would take Minnesota over the 175 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: Packers to win that division. Now that Kirk Cousins has 176 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: an offensive coach, but things that sound ridiculous if you 177 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: let him Breathe aren't necessarily ridiculous. It's not a hot take. 178 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: Matt Stafford this weekend signs a contract extension forty million 179 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: dollars a year. If not for the Rams Twitter, you 180 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: would not have known about it. Jesus Aaron Rodgers contract 181 00:10:53,280 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: extension was a circus, a self promoting circus. Now I 182 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: want to talk about the biggest disappointment in the tournament, 183 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: John Caliponzi. My bad John Calipari, but it does feel 184 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: like a recruiting Ponzi scheme. He's always been a really 185 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: good salesman and a self promoter. But in the last 186 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: five years he has four number one recruiting classes and 187 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: a number two, and in that time no final fours 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: and two first round exus. In fact, he hasn't made 189 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: the final four in seven years, and last year is 190 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: nine and sixteen. You know, when you watch Villanova you 191 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: can tell what they work on. They're really tough physically, 192 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: really efficient offensively, very hard nosed defensively. When you watch 193 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: certain basketball teams, you can see they're coached. Calipari, to me, 194 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: is the sketch artist that can't draw hair. He can recruit. 195 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: But let me ask you what part of his coaching 196 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: is great. Seriously, what part of his coaching is great? 197 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: It's pretty remarkable to me that he has fended off. 198 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: It shows you illustrates the power of personality. Kentucky has 199 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: one of the harshest fan bases in the country. I mean, 200 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: they live for this stuff. There's not a lot to 201 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: do in Lexington and the fact that they haven't been 202 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: to the Final four in seven years despite overwhelmingly have 203 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: the best recruiting classes. The one and done for Calipari 204 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: has just become a business proposition. It's clearly not effective. 205 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: Villanova and Gonzaga have almost no one and done last 206 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: seven years. They're better basketball programs. It's almost like he's 207 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: now as they say pro wrestlers do, they play to 208 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: their gimmick. He's playing to his gimmick. The one and 209 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: done is simply not that successful for him. It's hard 210 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: to build chemistry. I'm not saying he's not a demanding coach. 211 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: He's not easy on these players. But if you take 212 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: one player out of his program, Anthony Davis. He's been 213 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: there over a decade and he's got as many first 214 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: and second round excess as he does Final fours. What 215 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: is he great at I say, Jim Beheim, you think 216 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: of that matchup zone, I say Villanova, Jay Wright, you 217 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: think of their defense at all levels, guard wing bigs, 218 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: I say, Klapari. You think he's a great salesman, it's 219 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: clearly not helping him on the floor. That's why joke 220 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: I've been calling him Calaponzi. It's like a recruiting scheme, 221 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: and he fends off the incredibly vocal and passionate Kentucky 222 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: fans in the off season by landing all these great players. 223 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: You gotta give me something. On the other end. That 224 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: lost to Saint Peter's and that's not a terrible team. 225 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: That was an embarrassing loss. That's a really bad loss, 226 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: you know. And at some point, I think one of 227 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: the more remarkable things about Calipari is his ability to 228 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: stay employed. They are not living up to their recruiting rankings, 229 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: and he's got to own it. 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Mary 263 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: Kate cab at Cleveland Browns beat rider for Cleveland dot 264 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: com talk about talk about an interesting month for you. 265 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: So I'm going to throw out Mary kay kind of 266 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: my theory, and this has always been my theory on 267 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: our business. Stuff gets out when people wanted out, whether 268 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: I worked at ESPN or Fox. If something's out, somebody's 269 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: salaries out or demands or out management or the people 270 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: wanted out. So it was my takeaway that between Cleveland 271 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: dot com and other NFL sources that the GM Andrew 272 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: Barry and Kevin Stefanski had no problem with it being 273 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: out there that they were done with Baker and it 274 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: was almost a trap to see how he reacted because 275 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: they do know that he is number six, is pretty 276 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: popular in town for a lot of fans, and if 277 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: he demanded a trade, it frankly made it easier for them. 278 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: But my takeaway was, Mary Kay, they didn't have any 279 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: problem with it being out there. We want to get 280 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: out of your business, and they were kind of let's 281 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: just see how he reacts, and he reacted like Baker 282 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: would react. I want to demand a trade, But when 283 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: the stuff was out there, you know, we want an 284 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: adult at quarterback. In various reports and I'm not this 285 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: is not a negative, but my takeaway at the front 286 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: office of Cleveland, the ownership kinle wanted it. Am I wrong? Well, 287 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: I definitely think they wanted to upgrade at quarterback this offseason. 288 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: I do think that they wanted to do that. I 289 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: don't think they felt that they were going to have 290 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: a realistic shot at actually doing it. I think they 291 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: were looking at some of the elite quarterbacks. They were 292 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: not going to make a lateral move. They didn't want 293 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: a Jimmy Garoppolo. This was going to be a situation 294 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: where if they could get a Russell Wilson or an 295 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady or low and behold 296 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: a Deshaun Watson, that they were going to go for that, 297 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: and that was going to be it. Short of that, 298 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: they were going to really seriously run it back with 299 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield or at least try to and see what 300 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: they couldn't get out of him for that final year 301 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: of his contract. And I truly believe that at the 302 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: combine when they talked to his agent, that they intended 303 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: to have Baker come back, because I don't think they 304 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: really believed they could get one of those elite quarterbacks. 305 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: What changed. What changed was the grand jury decided not 306 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: to indict Deshaun Watson, and they jumped in and they 307 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: went into their heavy dogged pursuit of Deshaun Watson and 308 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: once again still not being sure if they were going 309 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: to be able to pull it off, because of course 310 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: other teams were going to be involved, and you know, Deshaun, 311 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: I don't think it was overly excited about playing up north, 312 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: playing in the cold weather, So they were going to 313 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: have to come in really large with their offer and 314 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: make sure that you know that they not only gave 315 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: offered the three first round picks, but more than that. 316 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: And then of course in the end, and it came 317 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: down to the money, and they really came through with 318 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: an enormous contract. You know, Mary Kay, you had reported 319 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: if they didn't land as Seawan, they were going to 320 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: look elsewhere. What was elsewhere? Well, actually, you know, once 321 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: they were out of the Deshaun Derby on Thursday, when 322 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: they were told that they were that was it. You know, 323 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: I initially thought that they would look elsewhere. But what 324 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: happened was when he pulled out of there and told them, 325 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, that's it, you're out. They had a conversation 326 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: with Baker's agents and they were told they told them 327 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: that they wanted Baker to come back and start for them. 328 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: And I truly believe that, I truly believe they thought, 329 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: you know what, this will blow over. You know, we 330 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: can make this work. We can mend the fences, unruffle 331 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: the feathers, and have Baker. I'm in now. We've got 332 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: to Mary Cooper. We'll draft another receiver and then we'll 333 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: worry about getting a quarterback somewhere down the Road. I 334 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: think that was the plan because there was really no 335 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: one else left at that point that they felt good about. 336 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: But then I think that Baker and his camp foiled 337 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: those plans by basically saying, no, we want to be traded, 338 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: and you know, he's probably not coming. And I wrote 339 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: about this today in my Browns Insider. He had no 340 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: intentions of coming back. He would not have come back 341 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: for the offseason program, would not have been here for 342 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: the mini camp, probably would have held out for summer, 343 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: all of training camp and hope that the Browns cave 344 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: by then. But this situation was going to get ugly 345 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: in a hurry. Mary Kay, I was told mid season 346 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: by somebody that knew Andrew Berry. The word that I 347 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: was told was Andrew Berry was exhausted from Baker Mayfield, 348 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: just the daily hand holding, the press conferences, the kind 349 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: of angst written, you know, media relationship. And this was 350 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: from somebody who knows Andrew, really knows his temperament, had 351 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: worked with him before and just said, you know, he 352 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: this is not gonna this is not gonna last. That's 353 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: not Andrew's type of guy. To you. Um, take let's 354 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: go back to the season. Um, did you you have 355 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: some misgivings throughout the course of the later in the season, 356 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: because he started pretty well. You started reporting things, you 357 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: were hearing things about some anxiety and listen, it was 358 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: just tumult I mean basically, Baker Mayfield was turbulence. The 359 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: whole flight was turbulent. When did you start having doubts 360 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: he would return well? I started having conversations with people, uh, 361 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: you know, right around it was after the Odell Beckham 362 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: Junior saga, which really rattled Baker Mayfield. We've talked about 363 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: that before. That left him, you know, just just completely uneasy, uncomfortable. 364 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: There were other football players on this team that you 365 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: know that shook them as well. I mean, it just 366 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: kind of upset the whole apple cart. And there were 367 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: players that you really had second thoughts about Baker at 368 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: that point because they really wondered, you know, what's going 369 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: on here? We have to watch Odell Beckham Junior walk 370 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: out the door and that was an issue. But I 371 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: think more so than anything, Baker Mayfield had problems with 372 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: the way that he was being used by Kevin Stefanski, 373 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: and I think that he felt like, you know, that 374 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't being showcased, that his talents weren't being maximized, 375 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: and there started to be a disconnect between those two. 376 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: And again I said this the last time we were 377 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: on this podcast. I don't even know if Kevin Stefanski 378 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: really was necessarily aware of it to the degree that 379 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: it really was, But there started to be this disconnect 380 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: between those two, and Baker became increasingly disillusioned with how 381 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: things were going. And then as the season went on, 382 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: you heard him give two national interviews, one to Kurt 383 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: Warner and now I'm forgetting who the other one was with, 384 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: but he did say in those interviews that he had 385 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: to you know, like men fences inside the building and 386 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: repair you help people repair their relationships in the building. 387 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: I started to hear things about him feeling like it 388 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: was more of the same type of dysfunction that he 389 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: had endured since twenty eighteen. He was starting to feel like, uh, 390 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, maybe greener pastures would be better for him. 391 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: At the same time, I think that and he probably 392 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: saw the writing on the wall. They hadn't given him 393 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: an extension offer. He was not playing well, and it 394 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: just it just started to unravel. And as you mentioned, 395 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: I do think inside the building there was a lot 396 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: of thought about the maturity issue. They wanted to see 397 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: some more maturity out of him as the years went by. 398 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: But the way that I look at that is, you know, 399 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: when you draft Aaker Mayfield, knowing what you know, you 400 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: know what you're getting. You know what you're getting in Baker. 401 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: Me if you expect him to be anything other than 402 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: that guy you knew what you were getting, then you're 403 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: just kidding yourself. If I said, Andrew Kevin, Jimmy Haslum, 404 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: which one lost their patience with Baker first? You know, 405 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to guess out of that group that it 406 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: was probably I would and this is just a guess 407 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: that it was probably Jimmy, because Jimmy is very impatient. 408 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: He wants success for the football team and he you know, 409 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: they really liked Odell Beckham Junior too. See, that was 410 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: another thing the Haslum's d and Jimmy. They really liked Odell. 411 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: I don't think they wanted to part ways with Odell, 412 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: but it kind of had to be because when you're 413 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: starting quarterback is getting thrown under the bus and then 414 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: the rest of the team is going to see all that. 415 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it got to the point where he had 416 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 1: to go. But I would have to say that Jimmy 417 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: probably was maybe the first one of the first out 418 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: of those three to jump ship for those reasons. For 419 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: the bad the negative press. I mean, you remember the 420 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: game after they beat the Detroit Lions and he just 421 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: stalked off the field angry, didn't talk to the media afterwards. 422 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: All of those things started to wear thin. And then 423 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: by the time you got to the seventeenth week seventeen 424 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: and he played against the Pittsburgh Steelers, I mean he 425 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: was Baker Mayfield was downright angry about the way that 426 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: he perceived that Kevin Stefanski didn't protect him, you know, 427 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: did not allow him to look good, let him get 428 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: sacked nine times by passes, batted down and then and 429 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: that was the last straw for him, and he opted 430 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: out of the last game himself. And after the game 431 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to talk to my agent about 432 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: this and we're going to decide what we're going to do. 433 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: That didn't play well with some people in the locker room. 434 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: There were people that thought, no, you got to ride 435 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: it out with us, like we're playing you should play him. 436 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: I know the Browns are going to trade him He's 437 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: not that cheap, He's off an injury, only a year 438 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: left on the contract. It feels like a fifth or 439 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: a sixth round pick to me. And I don't think 440 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: the market mary Kay's large. I think Seattle is fairly 441 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: desperate in that division for somebody that's had the ability 442 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: to get a team to a playoff. How long will 443 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: they wait? I mean, what is your guests on what 444 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: they'll get for Baker? What I should say this? What 445 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: they would take to get Baker Mayfield out of the building. Well, 446 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: first of all, I think that what they're going to 447 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: have to do in order to pull off a deal 448 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,479 Speaker 1: is that they're going to have to pick up some 449 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: of that eighteen point eight six yep. And if you 450 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: remember right last year, the Panthers had to do that 451 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: with Teddy Bridgewater when they sent him to the Broncos. 452 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: They ended up paying not only the ten million dollars 453 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,679 Speaker 1: he was guaranteed, but they kicked in another seven million 454 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: dollars and the Broncos only had to pay like three. 455 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: I think the same thing or something similar is going 456 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: to happen with Baker Mayfield. I think you will have 457 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: some teams very motivated to acquire Baker Mayfield if they knew, 458 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: they didn't have to pay almost nineteen million dollars guarantee 459 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: for him this year. So there's going to have to 460 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: be some kind of NBA deal. I don't know how 461 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: they'll swing it, but there's going to be something where 462 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: where the trading team doesn't have to assume that whole 463 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: gigantic contract. Not that it's gigantic for a starting quarterback, 464 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: but those jobs are drying up right now. There are 465 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: not a ton of those jobs left, and of the 466 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: ones that are left, and I've worked the phones a 467 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: lot over the last couple of days when I have 468 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: a free minute from not writing one thing or another, 469 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: are doing all this stuff that has gone on in 470 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: the last couple of days. But I've had people tell 471 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: me that that Seattle is genuine about starting Drew Lock 472 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 1: right now. Sounds hard to believe, but I've been told 473 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: by people that I trust that they really want to 474 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: give this guy a shot. Now. Maybe this is posturing, 475 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: maybe they don't want to seem like they need Baker Mayfield, right, 476 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, some of this is it's gamesmanship at this 477 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: time of year. I mean, my mother would lie to 478 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: me at this time of year if she worked for 479 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: an NFL team, there's no question about it. So you 480 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: really have to try to sort through what's true what's false. 481 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm hearing that the Saints might want 482 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: to give Jameis Winston another try. I'm hearing that the 483 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: Panthers might not be interested in Baker Mayfield. I mean, 484 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: at this point, the Panthers, who have the number six 485 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,239 Speaker 1: overall pick, maybe they just go with a rookie and 486 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: just start all over. So I don't know if the 487 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: market is. You know what the Browns are going to 488 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: want it to be, what Baker's going to want it 489 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: to be. His first choice is to go to the 490 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts. Once again, I think it would have to 491 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: be a deal where the Browns eat some of the money. 492 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: Let's pivot to Deshaun Watson. Listen, I don't think he's 493 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: a top five quarterback in the league, but he is 494 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: now the highest paid quarterback in the league. So I 495 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: do think eventually you've got to pay the piper on 496 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: that stuff that I like that Prescott, he's a good 497 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: B plus quarterback. Pay you pay Dak a money and 498 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: now you're seeing what happens right tackle I'm Arii Cooper, 499 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. You know, you can give Aaron Rodgers all 500 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: the guaranteed money you want, but then it becomes more 501 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: precarious with Davante Adams and he leaves. This is a 502 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: massive contract. This is also a roster that is really 503 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: strong on the offensive side. Mary Kay. At some point, 504 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: maybe not this year, but in the next year or two, 505 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: they're going to have to make moves. Either that or 506 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: hit on a lot of draft picks. I hear a story. 507 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: It may have been you. They're going to redo the 508 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry deal. Let's let's start with the obvious sort 509 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: of obstacle with this contract. They may get through it 510 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: for a year, but but do you see down the 511 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: road it being problematic in terms of his support system 512 00:29:54,760 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: on that offensive side of the ball. Well, fortunately for 513 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and UH and for Deshaun Watson, right 514 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: now they have some of the most brilliant people in 515 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: the NFL running their cap. I mean, these guys are 516 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: incredibly smart and they do a really really good job 517 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: with the cap And just when you think it seems 518 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: like they're not going to be able to find room 519 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: to do what they want to do. They have a 520 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: way of doing it, and the cap will continue to increase, 521 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: and so something tells me that they will be okay. 522 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: They know how to get those rookie contracts going and 523 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, and I feel like they will be able 524 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: to They're not going to be able. They're not going 525 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: to be paying first round picks over the next few years, 526 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of money. So they'll be saving 527 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: some money that way. And I think they'll just start 528 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: to cycle guys through once they get to that point 529 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: in their contract. I mean, you saw it this year 530 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: with JC Tredder. You know, you get to a certain 531 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: point and now it's time to say goodbye. You just 532 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: saw it with Case Keenan. They cleared a bunch of 533 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: cap with Case and they replaced him someone much cheaper 534 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: than They also reduced to Shaun Watson's first year's salary 535 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: to a little over a million dollars to give themselves 536 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of camp reliefs. So they have a way 537 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: of it's a shell game for them, you know, moving 538 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: the money around and figuring it out. So I think 539 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: they'll be okay, but they're going to have to earn 540 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: their money in the draft. They are going to have 541 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: to draft really, really well over these next few years, 542 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: and without first round picks for the next three years. Listen, 543 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: you're going to get and you're already seeing it. The 544 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: inevitable pushback onto Shaun Watson, who has apparently done bad 545 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: things though not charged yet. Is Cleveland and that front 546 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: office and Jimmy Haslam, are they ready for it? This 547 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: could get really ugly. You know, that's a great question. 548 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: I think that when you're in the heat of the 549 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: moment and working on a deal like this, and the 550 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: front burner thing is getting the deal done and you know, 551 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: and bagging the player and getting him into your city, 552 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,239 Speaker 1: sometimes I think it's hard to really gauge what the 553 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: backlash is going to be. And I know that they 554 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: have faith in that player. I know that they believe 555 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: that he is not this bad person that we are 556 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: led to believe by these twenty four accusations. They have 557 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: a comfort level with him, They believe, and they seem 558 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: to know through their investigation and their vetting of Deshaun 559 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: Watson that he is not someone that they are going 560 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: to have to worry about people accusing him of sexual 561 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: misconduct as they move forward. Okay, we haven't had a 562 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: chance to ask them yet why they are so confident. 563 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: All we've seen so far are their statements, So we 564 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: have to delve into that, and not even sure yet 565 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: when we're going to have an opportunity to do that. 566 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: I'll be going to the owners meetings. I'm leaving on 567 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: Sunday for the owner's meetings, so you know, I will 568 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: have a chance to talk to the there, I'm sure. 569 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: But just in terms of the press conference, you know, 570 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll talk to maybe Andrew this week, Kevin 571 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: Stefanski this week, but I don't know if they were 572 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: completely prepared for the backlash. I was thinking about this yesterday, 573 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: you know. I think you could could do this in 574 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: some cities where you might be able to get away 575 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: with it without as much of a backlash. But Cleveland 576 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: is a big market for being a smaller market. It 577 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: is in a lot of ways. It's a big market. 578 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: It plays big nationally, It moves the needle nationally. National 579 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: media are always all over the Cleveland Browns. It's just 580 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: a it's a big name team. Somehow, Someway and I 581 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: think it's going to be a long, hard road for 582 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns to sell this to their fans and 583 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: make them feel comfortable. There's a lot of anger, there's 584 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot of hurt feelings right now. There's a lot 585 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: of excited people, but there's a lot of people that 586 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: need to try to understand how they could bring a 587 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: person seemingly like this onto the team and into the community. Well, 588 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: and Mary kay, there will likely be a league suspension 589 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: for some time. He may not play in September. Now, 590 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: obviously a move like this is a big picture move. 591 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: They didn't get to seaun for September. They gotten for 592 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: the next sweet to four years to kind of, you know, 593 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: straighten out the franchise. You know, I don't want to 594 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: put you in a position to guess, but I wouldn't 595 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: be shocked if he just didn't play in September. The 596 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: league came down and said, it's a four to an 597 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: eight game suspension. Do you have a gut feeling on it? 598 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, having covered this league for as long as 599 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: they as you have. Also something that's important. This is 600 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: detestable to men, obviously, but to women who are making 601 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 1: up increasingly a large share. I'm not sure if people 602 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: are aware how popular the NFL is with I saw 603 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: numbers a year ago. I was and I try to 604 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: stay up on this stuff. I was blown away by it. 605 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: It's like there is a not only a sizeable percentage 606 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: of fans or women, it's growing so fast. And if 607 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't plan in September, you're reminded of it again 608 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: and again and again. I mean, what's your hunch on 609 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: a suspension? Has it been talked about inside you know, 610 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: the executive suites. Do you think Jimmy hasliman those guys. Well, 611 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: I would think that they have had some conversations with 612 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: the league, and they have probably had some indication of 613 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: what that suspension could be before they took this on. 614 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: And of course it's probably an estimate, but I would 615 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: guess somewhere around six games. If it's eight games, you know, 616 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: maybe they hope that it gets knocked back a little 617 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: bit somehow, but I think that, you know, you could 618 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: expect there'll be somewhere between four and eight games that 619 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,720 Speaker 1: he will miss. I mean, Kareem Hunt missed eight games 620 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: for his indiscretions, which included, uh, you know, on video 621 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: kicking a woman in the hallway of his apartment. So um, 622 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: so I would think that it's it's somewhere around there, 623 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: and that's going to be something that they're going to 624 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: have to deal with. And I think that you know 625 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: that this is big. This is this is the most 626 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: one of the most controversial stories in the history of 627 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, this is big and the way 628 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: and this story is I think it has a tendency 629 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: to I think it might kind of take on a 630 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: life of its own, that's right. And I mean there 631 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: are twenty two civil lawsuits pending right now, and unless 632 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: they settle these suits and dispatch them and get that 633 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: figured out, I mean, this could go on for a 634 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: long time. And then the other thing to consider is 635 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: what if somebody else comes out of the woodwork, What 636 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: if there is another criminal late? You know, I mean 637 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 1: that I think that people need to be realistic. I mean, 638 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: what if something like that happens. So I think that 639 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: this is an enormous thing that they took on, and 640 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: I think I think they feel very confident that they 641 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: were justified in doing so and that it's going to 642 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: work out just fine for them. But it's going to 643 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: be a long, hard road and there's a lot of 644 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,879 Speaker 1: work to do for everybody involved. Make sure to check 645 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: out the Draymon Green Show. I brought Draymond Green into 646 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: the Volume because one of the more entertaining voices in sports, 647 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: unique perspective understands behind the rope also chops up with 648 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine, Tracy McGrady. Make sure 649 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: download The Draymond Green Show wherever you get your podcasts, 650 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: only on the Volume podcast Network. What a crazy time 651 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: to cover the Cleveland Browns. When you get feedback, whether 652 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: it be on social platforms or Cleveland dot com, what 653 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: is the if you had to wrap a bowl around 654 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield? How's the average Cleveland fan field today about 655 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: that marriage Cleveland and Baker. Well, I'll tell you what. 656 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: There are a lot of fans that are now angry 657 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: at Baker Mayfield that he asked to be traded after that, 658 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people jumped ship after that. 659 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: Before that point, I was still getting a lot of that, 660 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: you know, the backlash about you know, how how could 661 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: you ever not be anything other than one hundred percent 662 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: in Baker's corner? Why are you writing about Deshaun Watson 663 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: and why are you writing that you know that they 664 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: should think, you know, toss their hat into the ring 665 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,919 Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson and all, you know, all these things 666 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: that I had been writing all offseason because knowing that 667 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: they had to really try to upgrade if they possibly could. 668 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: I've been hammering away at that and taking a lot 669 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: of heat for it. But I don't mind that. I mean, 670 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: I have thick skin. I can handle it. So I 671 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: just continued to do what I knew I had to 672 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: do and was right about all that stuff. But things 673 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: changed when he asked to be traded. Now there's it's 674 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: an angry fan base when it comes to Baker Mayfield. 675 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: The ones that are still on the Baker bandwagon are 676 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: all from Oklahoma. They're all the Sooners fans. But you know, 677 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: Browns fans are like, wait a minute, what do you 678 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,479 Speaker 1: mean you want to be traded? I mean I thought 679 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: you were all in. I thought you were, you know, 680 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: one of us, and you were going to change the 681 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: fortunes of the Cleveland Browns. Come back and show us 682 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: what you got. So now now I think he's lost. 683 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: You know, most of the people that were in his corner. Well, 684 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting his father came out and took a shot 685 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: at Cleveland and the Browns on social media and I 686 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: was told years ago. Gary Patterson, the longtime coach of 687 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: TCU who was dismissed this past year. I never heard 688 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: him ever criticize a player's parents, but he ripped Baker's 689 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,439 Speaker 1: dad years ago, said he was arrogant and difficult. And 690 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: before Baker was drafted, I knew somebody who had interviewed him. 691 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: And this person that interviewed him had multiple New York 692 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: Times bestsellers, and he had told me off you know, 693 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: off air. He had said, just keep your eye on 694 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: the dad. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Baker's 695 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: sort of hootspun arrogance, It comes from somewhere. And so 696 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: I saw this weekend his dad fire shot at the 697 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. I think in the end, though, Mary came 698 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: my takeaway and Baker was it was time for a split. 699 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: You know, Baker's Baker's almost better to date than Mary. 700 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 1: You know, if I could use that metaphor, It's just 701 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: Cleveland has had enough rockiness in their life. They really 702 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: need an adult. That's why I thought Matt Ryan was 703 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: such a good fit. They kind of need a steady hand, 704 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: which they arguably haven't had since Bernie cos Are. Brian Sipe. 705 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: I always had my misgivings about this because you had 706 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: a very impulsive owner, you had moving parts GM coach. 707 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: I just thought he was the wrong you know. I 708 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: thought he was the wrong personality for the wrong time 709 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Now I may look smart today, but I 710 00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: always had this kind of feeling like Dorsey's ego and 711 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Haslem's ego and Baker's ego, it's too it's just too combustible. 712 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: Did you have a moment in the first year or 713 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,479 Speaker 1: two and you thought this is going to be a circus? Oh, yeah, 714 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: it was a It was at the Senior Bowl before 715 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: he was even before he was even drafted. It was 716 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl when I went there to study 717 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield and really get a firsthand 718 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,919 Speaker 1: look at both of those guys. Their personalities, the way 719 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: they treated people, the way they treated st members, the 720 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: way they handled themselves in the media, the way the 721 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: ball came off their hand, all the things that I 722 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,800 Speaker 1: that I try to see when I go to a 723 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl because it's the last time you get to 724 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: see these guys play some actual football before the draft. 725 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: And back then, the way that I watched him move 726 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: around the Senior Bowl. I didn't like what I saw. 727 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: I did not like what I saw at the Senior Bowl. 728 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: I did not like it. And I shared my feelings 729 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: with members of the organization and they know it. I 730 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: mean like I did, just because I was like, I 731 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: am not feeling it in terms of the leadership, the 732 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 1: character and all of those things that you know that 733 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: you would expect that you would want out of your 734 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: face of your franchise. But I will say this, and 735 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: this is important. They shot right back at me and said, 736 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: that's what we're looking for. We're looking for the crotch 737 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: grabbin flag plant dude that can pull this team up 738 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: out of the dold rooms. Now, of course you're talking 739 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: about John Dorsey, Like you said, John Dorsey was the 740 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: GM at that time, and that's what they wanted. They 741 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: wanted a little bit of an mffort, that's what they want. 742 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: They wanted a guy like that. Josh Dalen didn't have 743 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: the personality that they were looking for, neither did Sam Darnold. 744 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: They wanted somebody that was going to take this bull 745 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: by the horns and say, you know what, I've got 746 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: you and I'm going to take you where you want 747 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 1: to go and I'm going to kick some butt along 748 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: the way. I mean, that's who they wanted. And that's 749 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: why right now, you know, you can't say you need 750 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: an adult in the room, in the quarterback room when 751 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,479 Speaker 1: you knew what you were getting. Now. Of course, there's 752 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: been a regime change since then. There have been coaching 753 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: changes since then, which of course is the number one 754 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: problem with the Cleveland Browns over all of these years 755 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,839 Speaker 1: since they came back in nineteen nine nine, one coach 756 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: after another, one general manager after another. I mean, they 757 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: do have some stability now, and I do have faith 758 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: in Andrew Berry, Paul de Podesta, and Kevin Stefanski. But 759 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:14,319 Speaker 1: we're still burning off the residue of dysfunction here, definitely, right, 760 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and all of the instability. But that's what 761 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: that's that's when I's he had me at hello. I mean, 762 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: and I just you know what I'm just I'm just saying. 763 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 1: At that Senior Bowl, it was and other people know 764 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Other people know what I'm talking about. 765 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: I watched him very very closely there and I knew 766 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: that they were going to be problems. All was amazing. 767 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: I should put you on staff. I use you so 768 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: often and use your great insight. You're like one of 769 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: my favorite people. I always appreciate you taking time away 770 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 1: from your family and continued success. Mary Kay, I just 771 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: love your work, and I thank you so much for 772 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,439 Speaker 1: all your You've been doing this so long and so well. 773 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: I just admire you. Thank you so much well. Thanks 774 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: for having me. I always enjoy it. The volume