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Speaker 4: And it is time for another edition of mix Shots
Speaker 4: inside the SWBC podcast studio here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 4: And as you can tell, Everson Walls is going through
Speaker 4: the cutlist of the National Football League as we speak.
Speaker 4: Whose name might be on that list?
Speaker 2: And this is for you, Bill Man, I saw it
Speaker 2: last night, like damn it. It didn't make it this year.
Speaker 2: Colt McCoy, Oh yeah, Colt McCoy got cut today.
Speaker 4: McCoy, yeah, Cop McCoy, Yes, that was That was a
Speaker 4: surprise moved by the Arizona Cardinals after they made the
Speaker 4: trade last week for Joshua Dobbs from Cleveland. And they
Speaker 4: have in camp the University of Houston quarterback whose name
Speaker 4: escapes me as we speak, uh, high school at that
Speaker 4: uh and with Kyler Murray on Pop to start the season.
Speaker 4: You think, and this applies to the Cowboys because game
Speaker 4: number three, Week three, what are the Cowboys doing?
Speaker 5: What are they doing? Bill?
Speaker 4: They're playing the Arizona Cardinals. Oh okay, so Kyler's out
Speaker 4: the first four games for sure, he's on the pup list,
Speaker 4: and now they're going with a quarterback who does not.
Speaker 4: Of course, Cop McCoy doesn't have a lot of experience
Speaker 4: in this league playing games. He has a lot of
Speaker 4: experience in the league, though. But that was a surprise move.
Speaker 4: And how many more surprises might we see as we
Speaker 4: hit the deadline of three o'clock this afternoon.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think we're going to see many
Speaker 5: surprises here. I think it's pretty.
Speaker 2: We've already had one. I hadn't had a chance to
Speaker 2: talk to you guys about it.
Speaker 5: I bet we could do it right now.
Speaker 4: And Clayton Tune producer Supreme reminded me that Clayton Tune
Speaker 4: is the order. Thank you, Chrissy Houston Arizona and his
Speaker 4: brother Nathan Tune. They were record setting quarterbacks at Hebern
Speaker 4: High School. Go ahead, Mickey, where was I You were.
Speaker 5: Distracting?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: I said, we probably won't have you know, it seems
Speaker 5: like we haven't done a podcast.
Speaker 4: In forever since Friday.
Speaker 5: A lot's going on.
Speaker 4: There has been a lot that has happened since someone.
Speaker 2: Can someone please talk to me about what's going on
Speaker 2: with this whole new transition that we just had this
Speaker 2: transaction rather.
Speaker 4: And that would be the transaction for Trey Lance.
Speaker 2: What is happening? Somebody tell me what is going on?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: We had everybody's.
Speaker 2: Asking me questions like I'm the expert.
Speaker 4: Last time we convened was Friday morning. And this season
Speaker 4: apparently is going to be a lot like past seasons
Speaker 4: that the breaking news happens right after we get off
Speaker 4: the air, and it was a little it was a
Speaker 4: few hours after we got off the air Friday evening
Speaker 4: where it breaks about Cowboys trading a fourth round pick
Speaker 4: for Trey Lance. How about the way Will Gear played?
Speaker 2: I called Bill, I'm sorry, I called Spags right away.
Speaker 2: I called him right away and wanted to know what
Speaker 2: the heck was going on and what did he know
Speaker 2: about it? And did he know about it on the show?
Speaker 5: I knew no, no, No one knew about it until
Speaker 5: Cowboys didn't know about it until it went down. And
Speaker 5: you know, my feelings on it is they sort of
Speaker 5: have taken a shot in the dark with a fourth
Speaker 5: round pick hoping that it pays dividends down the road,
Speaker 5: either as developing a future backup quarterback or developing a
Speaker 5: quarterback that can flip for better draft choice than what
Speaker 5: they traded for.
Speaker 2: I gotta say he's I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm glad he's here or not.
Speaker 5: Football. Yeah, that's the big biggest deal on this old deal.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think the biggest thing is his youth.
Speaker 4: I mean he's only twenty three years old. And I
Speaker 4: think what this team and Mike McCarthy's talked about it,
Speaker 4: they like having they're established starting quarterback and you've got
Speaker 4: a veteran backup. They have that in Cooper Rush, but
Speaker 4: they also like to have a young, developed quarterback, developmental quarterback.
Speaker 2: He's younger than the one that we already have.
Speaker 4: He's five years younger than twenty three, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean he is and his experience level, I mean he
Speaker 4: is the same age right now, even though he's been
Speaker 4: in the league this he's going into his third year
Speaker 4: in the league. He is the same age Dak Prescott
Speaker 4: was when he was a rookie, and Dak when you
Speaker 4: look back at Dak in college, he was basically a
Speaker 4: three year starter a Mississippi State, had played a lot
Speaker 4: of football, had led a team for a long time,
Speaker 4: and Trey Lance for one year it was a sixteen
Speaker 4: game National Championship FCS season. He led North Dakota State
Speaker 4: to where they always go to the National championship game
Speaker 4: and right up the road in Frisco. And then the
Speaker 4: next year was the COVID year. They only played one game.
Speaker 4: And so he declares for the draft and becomes the
Speaker 4: third pick in the draft. And we've seen over the
Speaker 4: last two years, I mean a year ago at this time,
Speaker 4: he was the starting quarterback for the San Francisco forty
Speaker 4: nine ers.
Speaker 2: It doing pretty well.
Speaker 4: Two games he gets hurt and now and then Brock
Speaker 4: Purdy comes along after Jimmy g got hurt, and so
Speaker 4: here we are now. But from a developmental standpoint, he
Speaker 4: hasn't played very much football.
Speaker 5: Well, here's the not very much football. He only started
Speaker 5: one year in high school, his senior year. No, it's
Speaker 5: since his as a quarterbacks since his senior year in
Speaker 5: high school at North Dakota State and at San Francisco,
Speaker 5: he's only thrown four hundred and twenty passes. Think about that.
Speaker 5: He played sixteen games and then one game in COVID
Speaker 5: year because then they decided they were playing in the spring,
Speaker 5: and he said, no, I'm going into the NFL. To me,
Speaker 5: when he got drafted, he wasn't even twenty one years old,
Speaker 5: he was still twenty So I when I wrote, I said,
Speaker 5: this is like quarterback abuse. I mean, he has not
Speaker 5: had any time to develop. And when he got his
Speaker 5: opportunities in San Francisco, he got hurt right his rookie year.
Speaker 5: He ended up with a sprain knee, and then he
Speaker 5: broke a finger and I read where it was his
Speaker 5: index finger on his throwing hand and he could never
Speaker 5: straighten that finger out the entire year. And then the
Speaker 5: next year they give him the starting job and in
Speaker 5: the second game he suffers a kind of a deck
Speaker 5: like ankle injury and that was it. Yeah, and now
Speaker 5: he comes in and plays what one preseason game maybe two,
Speaker 5: and they were like, no, we're out.
Speaker 4: You know, if he was a fourth round draft pick
Speaker 4: like he should have been, then like that shouldn't like yeah,
Speaker 4: like that should not have been right. People would say
Speaker 4: he's right where he should be in his career right now.
Speaker 4: But since he was the third pick in the draft,
Speaker 4: got these higher expectations for him. To Mickey's point, he
Speaker 4: threw a total in that one season, sixteen starts. He
Speaker 4: only threw two hundred and eighty seven passes. Because of
Speaker 4: the type offense he was in.
Speaker 5: He ran for eleven hundred yards. And think about it,
Speaker 5: So four hundred and twenty passes since high school. That
Speaker 5: through four hundred and sixty his rookie year. So he
Speaker 5: hasn't you know. And I hear all these people talking
Speaker 5: about what they saw in a preseason game. He hasn't
Speaker 5: seen enough. You got to see, you got to play.
Speaker 5: That's why I always look at college quarterbacks that come
Speaker 5: out early. If you don't play enough in college, you're
Speaker 5: not ready for the NFL. I'm sorry, and I'll guarantee
Speaker 5: you he was not ready for the NFL. And it
Speaker 5: wasn't his fault that it was us.
Speaker 2: That was he was young. He has even less experience
Speaker 2: as a college player.
Speaker 5: Exactly right. You know a lot of guys come out early,
Speaker 5: come out early. And I remember Blaine Gabbard Missouri, he
Speaker 5: came out a year early. He wasn't ready. I could
Speaker 5: have told him he wasn't ready. He got to Uh.
Speaker 5: The NFL was Jackson Jacksonville. I believe he wasn't ready
Speaker 5: and he still never developed the way he should have.
Speaker 5: This guy has not played enough football.
Speaker 2: We had a quarterback the other night that looked pretty
Speaker 2: damn good. But he was playing for his practice squad life, right.
Speaker 4: Well, he was playing for his what he hopes will
Speaker 4: be a veteran backup job in the NFL. A number
Speaker 4: two job in the NFL is another team.
Speaker 5: On this team, on this team, he was he was
Speaker 5: going to be at best on the practice Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: my point.
Speaker 2: That's my point. Yeah, Now you've got Trey and Trey
Speaker 2: he could be that guy. He could be that third
Speaker 2: string guy. Right, we talked about this.
Speaker 5: He could be the guy on the fifty three man rock.
Speaker 2: He could be on the fifth av' that's the worst
Speaker 2: case scenario. That's the worst case. Then he could be
Speaker 2: if things work out. Well, this is what I was
Speaker 2: talking to you about. Let's say he starts to develop
Speaker 2: and this is a great sister for him, this is
Speaker 2: a great system for him. All of a sudden he
Speaker 2: starts to develop it. Okay, I get this system. I
Speaker 2: like this coach. I like Shattenheimer. Maybe, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, he's looking better than Grier than all of
Speaker 2: you can see, while his athletic ability might be able
Speaker 2: to you know, transform him into a second string.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what the idea was, to develop
Speaker 5: a second string, a backup quarterback for the time. They've
Speaker 5: got two years. Yeah, right, he's on his third year.
Speaker 5: Next year is the fourth year. This year, by the way,
Speaker 5: his base salary would save them sixty eight thousand dollars
Speaker 5: compared to Will Grier's base salary, because he's in his
Speaker 5: fifth year, right.
Speaker 2: And they gave him away. They just gave them away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they ate a lot of money.
Speaker 5: They did a lot, like like eleven million dollars.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So you have to they have to really
Speaker 2: be disappointed in what they saw.
Speaker 5: Well, John Lynch said that night they were playing a
Speaker 5: preseason game and he was on their broadcast in the
Speaker 5: second quarter, and he basically said, we're ready to win now.
Speaker 5: And so they obviously, you know, you know, attached their
Speaker 5: uh wagon to Rock Purty and then Sam Darnell as
Speaker 5: sort of a veteran backup that and yeah, and Brandon Allen,
Speaker 5: and you know, when they told him he was going
Speaker 5: to be the third guy, he said, well, I like
Speaker 5: to be traded and it's like, okay, well you got
Speaker 5: your wish.
Speaker 4: And they're happy to get a fourth round pick for
Speaker 4: their mistake pick.
Speaker 5: See, it wasn't his fault. He was the third pick
Speaker 5: in the draft, and it wasn't his fault that they
Speaker 5: gave up three first round picks and a third to
Speaker 5: move up from twelve.
Speaker 2: The criticism for that, yeah, and the criticism.
Speaker 5: Because guess what if they stayed at twelve, they could
Speaker 5: have drafted Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4: Or they could have drafted Michael Parsons at three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right and no One.
Speaker 4: And even though they would have been heavily criticized, think
Speaker 4: about that. Think how much they would have been criticized
Speaker 4: if they had traded three first round draft picks plus
Speaker 4: a third to move up to number three to take
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons. They would have been ridiculed left and right.
Speaker 4: But now looking back on it, that would have been
Speaker 4: a great trade for it. But could you imagine Parsons
Speaker 4: alongside Bosa on the other side of and if.
Speaker 5: You look and see everybody panic that year, So Trevor
Speaker 5: Lawrence goes number one. Zach Wilson had that turnout for
Speaker 5: the Jets go number two, he goes number three. Justin
Speaker 5: Field's number eleven, and I believe Mac Jones was fifty
Speaker 5: fifteenth if I remember so at twelve, the Cowboys took
Speaker 5: Michael Parsons and they traded down to do that, by
Speaker 5: the way, so yeah, I mean, you know, he didn't say, hey,
Speaker 5: trade three first round picks for me. And if you
Speaker 5: remember around that time, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan, they
Speaker 5: were brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, they.
Speaker 5: Had they had the league, yeah figured out right, And
Speaker 5: then that it's like oops. So sometimes you take the
Speaker 5: eraser out and say, okay, we got to move on.
Speaker 4: And odds are Lance is not going to see the
Speaker 4: playing field. The Cowboys hope he doesn't see the playing
Speaker 4: field this season. And so now you go into next
Speaker 4: year and he's going into the last year of his
Speaker 4: rookie contract, and you could be at a point where
Speaker 4: there's nothing that says the Cowboys can't extend him and
Speaker 4: relieve of some of that. I think it's a five
Speaker 4: point three million dollar cap hit for next year, and
Speaker 4: it might be in Trey Lance's best interest to redo
Speaker 4: his contract here with the Cowboys if he likes it here,
Speaker 4: likes the coaching staff and so forth, where you have
Speaker 4: him for longer than these two seasons. Yeah, because they're
Speaker 4: not going to pick his market is not going to
Speaker 4: be out there if he doesn't ever play right.
Speaker 5: And somebody asked, are you going to pick up his
Speaker 5: fifth year option? The fifth year option is probably like
Speaker 5: twenty eight million dollars. Come on, I don't even think
Speaker 5: you need to ask that, right.
Speaker 2: So, so, did Will Grib do anything for himself?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 4: I think I think so. I think in a lot
Speaker 4: of ways, not only of what he did on the field,
Speaker 4: but how he handled the whole situation that opened up
Speaker 4: a lot of eyes probably around the league.
Speaker 2: Should we give that a lot of credit for Will Grib's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I mean.
Speaker 5: He knew his talent. It's like, call his.
Speaker 4: Talent hunter Lipke's talent. Brings me to another point. Uh,
Speaker 4: who were your picks to click on Saturday Night?
Speaker 2: Mine was Bohannan? Okay was Bohannan?
Speaker 5: I don't remember?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 5: I remember? Yeah, I'm sure you did. You knew he
Speaker 5: was going to play forever?
Speaker 2: Remember yours? That's the question.
Speaker 4: Because he didn't do very well, he'd remember, I forget mine?
Speaker 4: When they don't do well. Hunter Lifkey was my pick
Speaker 4: to click.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 5: I think I took Eric Scott because he always makes
Speaker 5: a play.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he did, but uh, he was out
Speaker 4: there for a lot of plays.
Speaker 5: Lipke's no wonder he didn't have to go get oxygen.
Speaker 5: After the game. They wore his butt out. I said,
Speaker 5: we'll get into cutting this this roster down. But to
Speaker 5: go back to Greer, Now he did it against Somebody said, well,
Speaker 5: he did it against you know, guys that aren't going
Speaker 5: to be playing in the league. And I'm going he
Speaker 5: was doing it with guys.
Speaker 2: That's my point my league. Yeah, you're playing with the
Speaker 2: same caliber guy on offense.
Speaker 5: That you're playing against. So yeah, and that offensive line
Speaker 5: was pretty shaky, and I know we're going to get
Speaker 5: into that will look.
Speaker 2: Good scrambling off into the pocket, getting out, you know,
Speaker 2: running the ball, all right, So.
Speaker 4: I think Babe Bloffenberg, I was driving home Saturday night
Speaker 4: listening to the postgame show on the Fan and Brad
Speaker 4: Sham was on, and Babe called in. When Brad was
Speaker 4: on the postgame show, and he presented the question does
Speaker 4: this do anything for Will Greer's trade value? Leading up
Speaker 4: to Tuesday. Would there be a team out there willing
Speaker 4: to give up a seventh round draft pick for Will Greer?
Speaker 5: They immediately if if they think there's other teams that
Speaker 5: are interested, because they know he's going to get cut, right,
Speaker 5: he's getting cut. But if you want to if you're.
Speaker 4: His status, he's not subject to waste.
Speaker 5: The waivers, right, so you would have to start bidding
Speaker 5: against other teams, not you know, not from a trade standpoint,
Speaker 5: but a financial standpoint. So so you like one.
Speaker 4: I mean, the obvious team out there who might be
Speaker 4: interested in Greer would be the team that had coach
Speaker 4: has coaches on the staff that have worked with him before,
Speaker 4: and that would be the Chargers. He went to West
Speaker 4: Virginia to school. Now I'm glad you asked that question
Speaker 4: because he started his college career at Florida and Doug
Speaker 4: Nussmeyer was the offensive coordinators and nus Meyer so Nusmeyer
Speaker 4: knows him from back high school basically in North Carolina,
Speaker 4: and he's the quarterbacks coach with Kellen Moore the offensive
Speaker 4: coordinator with the Chargers. So you would think that might
Speaker 4: be the landing spot for career. They have Easton Stick
Speaker 4: as they're back up to Justin Herbert right now.
Speaker 5: And so Kellen Moore knows.
Speaker 4: And then they cut Max dug In yesterday, their seventh
Speaker 4: round draft pick.
Speaker 5: Kellen Moore knows him nuss Meyer might have been the
Speaker 5: reason why he ended up here.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So a team like that, if they want
Speaker 4: to make sure that they got him then or if
Speaker 4: it was another team, then they could.
Speaker 5: And he's basically making the fifty year minimum. It's one
Speaker 5: point something million.
Speaker 2: So he looks like a California guy. He's got the hair,
Speaker 2: the facial hair, got the look to see him in
Speaker 2: San Diego.
Speaker 4: And then the other one is Washington. Ron Rivera's coach there.
Speaker 4: He was a third round pick of Carolina when Rivera
Speaker 4: was the head coach there. So there's another one when
Speaker 4: they have Sam Howe as their starter in Jacobe Burssett.
Speaker 4: But they are in the market for quarterbacks obviously. All right,
Speaker 4: we're just getting startled away.
Speaker 5: Let me throw this out. When we finished with Trey Lance.
Speaker 5: He did get here yesterday, so he was in the building.
Speaker 5: They've already started working with him, and we should get
Speaker 5: an opportunity to do an interview with him at some point.
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Speaker 4: The teams in the across the league have to be
Speaker 4: down to fifty three players by three o'clock this afternoon, and.
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Speaker 4: Mickey is ready to cut players. Right.
Speaker 5: You want to start, you start quarterback that one. There's
Speaker 5: going to be three of them, okay. Now the debate
Speaker 5: will be at running back because I think we know
Speaker 5: two for sure. Pollard and I would say, Recal Doddle,
Speaker 5: will you give me that we know three and we
Speaker 5: know three?
Speaker 4: Yes, and the third would be douce Van.
Speaker 5: Deuce Vawn that's right? And then after that do you
Speaker 5: keep a fourth? And Bill is a proponent of keeping
Speaker 5: Hunter Lipke.
Speaker 4: I just on Sunday, I was thinking about it going
Speaker 4: you know what, because before Saturday night. I mean, I thought, okay,
Speaker 4: Hunter Lipke is your perfect practice player. Okay, he and
Speaker 4: hadn't hadn't had an opportunity to do anything in the preseason.
Speaker 4: Then I watch him on Saturday night and then I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: I look up, you know his history a little closer.
Speaker 4: Ran a four to six at the forty at the
Speaker 4: Combine in the forty and thirty seven vertical. He's got
Speaker 4: the athleticism to be a good special teams player as well.
Speaker 4: With the Cowboys situation at linebacker, I'm sitting there going, okay,
Speaker 4: Hunter Lipke, Malik Davis. I mean, if you're if you're
Speaker 4: keeping four running backs, okay, And we've seen Malik Davis.
Speaker 4: And one thing that goes through the minds, perhaps of
Speaker 4: the scouts and coaches here in the front office is
Speaker 4: who can you get to the practice squad and who?
Speaker 4: And so anyway, Hunter Lipke entered my mind as well,
Speaker 4: a guy that.
Speaker 12: That sounded like a major stretch, but think about stretching that.
Speaker 12: But wait, think about it this way. Though you saw
Speaker 12: some of his capability in that game. He's pretty versatile.
Speaker 12: And who's going to help you more on special teams
Speaker 12: Malik Davis or Hunter Lipke.
Speaker 2: And I don't know that that question. I don't know
Speaker 2: you guys would know.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm looking, I'm looking at his body type. He
Speaker 5: can looks like he'd be willing to go down and
Speaker 5: make some tackles for me, cover punts, kickoffs, block Uh,
Speaker 5: I can see you know, on that first kickoff return
Speaker 5: they had ric O'Donnell as one of the what do
Speaker 5: you call the twobe before the guy that catches whatever.
Speaker 5: That line of defense is the kickoff, the kickoff, kickoff return.
Speaker 5: We're talking punt, no kickoff return. You know you have
Speaker 5: two guys in front.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the go ahead.
Speaker 5: And Donald there. So anyway, I just think he can
Speaker 5: do more for you. Uh, and probably getting Elik Davis
Speaker 5: on the practice squad.
Speaker 4: And let's face it, there's a lot of running backs
Speaker 4: going to be cut. A lot of running backs are
Speaker 4: going to be out there too. Yeah, what what lipkey?
Speaker 4: His position versatility on offense intrigues me as well, just
Speaker 4: because he's what round two hundred and forty pounds. I
Speaker 4: mean he could develop into a full back type as well. Actually, okay,
Speaker 4: I got a listed two forty five of the combine.
Speaker 4: He was two thirty two and so some with your
Speaker 4: tight ends, if you had an injury at tight end, whatever.
Speaker 4: He can do some of that h back stuff we
Speaker 4: see Sean McEwan do with the tight ends. I think
Speaker 4: there's there's some value there. But when you're cutting down
Speaker 4: the roster and you're having to figure out, Okay, I've
Speaker 4: got x amount of injured players and I've got to
Speaker 4: but they aren't injured to the point they're out for
Speaker 4: the season, but they got to be on the fifty
Speaker 4: three and they may go on ir to start this season.
Speaker 4: Then you got to take risk with certain players. And
Speaker 4: so you enters your mind. Is Lipkey a guy that
Speaker 4: would get picked up on waivers by another team that's
Speaker 4: that Can you get him to the practice squad?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Or can and Millennia Davis for that matter.
Speaker 5: Can he get them through and then sign them back
Speaker 5: after you put somebody else on injured reserve? Yeah, So
Speaker 5: that's that's the question there. Okay, why are.
Speaker 4: We going with four running backs? Yes, we are going
Speaker 4: with four. Whether it's Malik Davis or Hunter Lipke go with.
Speaker 5: And I and I think if it's Lipkey, it's four.
Speaker 5: If it's Davis, it might be three. Okay, how about
Speaker 5: wide receiver.
Speaker 4: H you have the five who did not play in
Speaker 4: the game on.
Speaker 5: Saturday, so you're assuming they're gonna be big three plus
Speaker 5: Tolbert and we're gonna count Turpin as a wide receiver
Speaker 5: not a specialty guy. All right, So do you keep six?
Speaker 5: And if you keep the sixth? To me, it comes
Speaker 5: down between Jalen Brooks and Simmi for Hoko, okay, and
Speaker 5: now which guy is gonna help me more onw.
Speaker 2: Based on what you just did with the running backs,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna look at the wide receivers the same way.
Speaker 2: For Hoko, is bigger guy uh ready for special teams?
Speaker 2: Played special teams already, He's already done that. Based on
Speaker 2: your logic on running backs, seemed like for Hoko would
Speaker 2: be the guy.
Speaker 5: And the only thing if it's a tie. Brooks was
Speaker 5: your seventh round pick so.
Speaker 4: And for Hoko was your fifth round pick two years
Speaker 4: ago and this is his third So I think that
Speaker 4: difference is the other difference is where are they in
Speaker 4: their career? And for Hoko's going into his third year,
Speaker 4: you only have him under control for two more years,
Speaker 4: and he had Brooks for four years as a rookie.
Speaker 2: What is Brooks.
Speaker 4: What is brooks upside as a receiver?
Speaker 5: That's that's going to be their debate. I kind of
Speaker 5: like Brooks, I do too, all right, tight end keeping
Speaker 5: all four.
Speaker 4: Of them, yes, all.
Speaker 5: Right, meaning we're keeping mchewing that's right. Yes, I just
Speaker 5: think he does too many different things for him to
Speaker 5: let him go. And I think somebody would pick him
Speaker 5: up if you tried to get cute and release them
Speaker 5: and then try to sign him back after you put
Speaker 5: somebody on I R and that that decision became much
Speaker 5: easier after John Stevens unfortunately tears his a c L.
Speaker 4: Next question, Okay, now.
Speaker 5: Offensive, Yeah, I figured emotional. I got I got my
Speaker 5: starting five, starting five, and after that, I'm sucking air
Speaker 5: through my teeth. I think Matt Fourniac makes it.
Speaker 4: Okay, guys as as either my.
Speaker 5: Back center and can play some guard after that. If
Speaker 5: you look at how they were rotating the offensive lineman
Speaker 5: in practice last week when they didn't have Zach Martin
Speaker 5: and Tyron Smith taking all the first team reps, awesome.
Speaker 5: Richards came in and got first team reps at left tackle,
Speaker 5: and t J. Bass came in and got the reps
Speaker 5: at right guard and then ball gets hurt, so he's
Speaker 5: headed to I R and he is headed to an
Speaker 5: ending season.
Speaker 4: Or which And the difference there ever since is if
Speaker 4: it's right, you make the If he's you put him
Speaker 4: on IR. Now he's out for the year. If you
Speaker 4: can put him, you can have him on the fifty three,
Speaker 4: and then he would go to IR and then you
Speaker 4: can bring him back.
Speaker 5: One of those two things is gonna happen because McCarthy
Speaker 5: said it's a multi week injury, right, so we'll see.
Speaker 4: What The question they have to decide is do they
Speaker 4: feel like that he can be a contributor in the
Speaker 4: second half of the season.
Speaker 5: Right, And then they got to find enough guys like c. J.
Speaker 5: Goodwin that they can cut and tell them, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 5: We're going to resign you after twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: Didn't we have the same problem last year? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Every year, every same problem.
Speaker 5: That's crazy and backup offensive lineman? And so are you
Speaker 5: going to keep three? Are you going to keep four?
Speaker 4: So all right, who are what do you do? You
Speaker 4: mentioned Farniac and awesome Richards and then TJ. Bass is
Speaker 4: another one.
Speaker 5: That I like. So that's eight and now do you
Speaker 5: keep well let's go. And he he had the shoulders sublixation,
Speaker 5: but he came back and actually practiced last week and
Speaker 5: played in the game. So that was somebody they thought
Speaker 5: they could develop after that. I just don't see him
Speaker 5: keeping a doga.
Speaker 4: He's another injury and he's.
Speaker 5: Still injured, and I don't know if he's worth you know,
Speaker 5: saying Okay, we're going to keep him and then put
Speaker 5: him on IR. You might just do an injury settlement
Speaker 5: with him.
Speaker 2: I keep thinking, you can't make the club in the tub.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what.
Speaker 5: And he's been out for three winks with a hyper
Speaker 5: extended knee that caused a bone bruise.
Speaker 12: So yeah, that would.
Speaker 4: How many of you how many offensive linemen will they
Speaker 4: have on their fifty three when it's all set done.
Speaker 5: Well, you'd like nine. You'd like to keep you know,
Speaker 5: three of them active on game day on your forty eight.
Speaker 5: So I would be looking at the waiver wire. I
Speaker 5: think for maybe a more veteran guy. I saw one
Speaker 5: veteran type guy got cut. He was a former first
Speaker 5: round pick. Hopefully I can say his name right.
Speaker 4: I Fetti for Jermainetti for.
Speaker 5: A and M guy. But he's bounced around the bears,
Speaker 5: and then I can't remember who just released him, but
Speaker 5: he's bounced around a little bit these last couple of years.
Speaker 4: Okay, we just moved a defense, all right. When we
Speaker 4: come back here, it just allix shots moving on.
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Speaker 5: I'm looking at this uh in numerical.
Speaker 4: Order, americal order, Okay, Sam WILLI is by positions.
Speaker 5: Sam will number, Sam Williams, you're good.
Speaker 4: With that number?
Speaker 5: Fifty four, okay, Dante Fowler fifty six, Mazzie Smith fifty eight,
Speaker 5: DeMarcus Lawrence, Okay, we jumped up. Drence Armstrong. Good with that,
Speaker 5: Junior Fijoko, okay, good with that. How many are we
Speaker 5: at now? Six or five?
Speaker 2: What do I got?
Speaker 4: Confused?
Speaker 2: Six numbers?
Speaker 5: That's six. Jonathan Hankins makes it, yep Osa makes it.
Speaker 5: Chauncey Golston, and I think their decision will come down
Speaker 5: between Gallimore and Quinton Bohano.
Speaker 4: So there were nine.
Speaker 5: I think I had nine before.
Speaker 4: So they're going to keep ten.
Speaker 5: So keep ten? So does that sound right?
Speaker 2: Say Parsons?
Speaker 4: He's not including Parsons in the group.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 5: He's listed as a linebacker.
Speaker 4: So they're keeping eleven defensive linemen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so you might just keep ten. I mean
Speaker 5: nine in count Parsons as your tenth.
Speaker 4: Right, do it by interior? Okay, defensive tackles versus defensive ends, all.
Speaker 5: Right, So defensive ends. You got Williams, Fowler, Lawrence Armstrong.
Speaker 13: Focal's kind of been, so it's Goldston and Golston's been
Speaker 13: they kind of moved inside for Hoko or yeah, both,
Speaker 13: so those are kind of boats.
Speaker 2: So no Bohanna, So.
Speaker 4: West sides Parsons of edge rushers, you've got four plus Parsons.
Speaker 5: Williams Fowler, Lawrence Armstrong. And then however, you look at
Speaker 5: Goldston and who was the for Hoko?
Speaker 4: Okay, so those are two, and so your other your defensive.
Speaker 5: Tackles otherwise are Mazi okay one, Hankins two, and then
Speaker 5: Gallimore three, and Bohanna would be four. If you look
Speaker 5: at Goldston, he's he's four, right.
Speaker 4: And right now the way you moved, did you say osa? Okay,
Speaker 4: so there's three, there's masi Osa and Hankins as you're
Speaker 4: strictly interior guys, right, and then so you need a fourth.
Speaker 5: In there, and and I think they look at Golston
Speaker 5: as a tackle.
Speaker 12: Okay, So the fourth would be Galimore and then Galimore
Speaker 12: would be five, right, yeah, five and five.
Speaker 5: So that's that's that's the decision they have to make. Now.
Speaker 4: To me, I've made the decision already. Who you got Galimore?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I agree, not because he went to Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: His work in all right, linebackers Parsons, Clark, vander vandersh
Speaker 5: and then you've got to figure out is it Harper
Speaker 5: who kind of played well and he's could be a
Speaker 5: special teams guy. And then what do you do with Cox,
Speaker 5: Malik Jefferson they were given a chance, he what banged up.
Speaker 5: And then Isaiah Land who they sort of like as
Speaker 5: a kind of two fer guy linebacker slash pass rusher.
Speaker 4: I look at him as an edge. But yeah, but
Speaker 4: from a special team standpoint, he's the same mold as
Speaker 4: a overshown and although bigger than over.
Speaker 5: And then and then Cox, they got to make a
Speaker 5: decision on him. Are you keeping them?
Speaker 4: So how many? Uh don't consider Parsons?
Speaker 5: Okay, if I don't consider Parsons.
Speaker 4: Then your linebackers are Vander Ash.
Speaker 5: Clark, Clark, and yeah Harper cos that's five, that's four four.
Speaker 4: I mean you definitely obviously have to keep a couple
Speaker 4: of linebackers' backups.
Speaker 5: He likes six. That might be a position.
Speaker 4: You're looking at waiver wire to on that or veteran
Speaker 4: guys and looking and using maybe the practice squad.
Speaker 2: Also because about using one of the big safeties.
Speaker 5: And that that can happen.
Speaker 4: They play into it too.
Speaker 5: But here's my deal. If vanderh marky, you forgot Marque's Bell, well,
Speaker 5: I counted him back.
Speaker 4: But he's been playing linebacker.
Speaker 5: Well in kind of their change. Okay, so here answer
Speaker 5: my question, Layton Vander esh or Dimone Clark get hurt?
Speaker 5: Who's my other starting linebacker?
Speaker 2: That's where it's that's no who else.
Speaker 4: Is that against Gabrill Cox and Devin Harper in that mix?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 5: Exactly?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Marquise Bell is a is a sub package linebacker.
Speaker 5: Right, So that's the part to me that there's been at.
Speaker 4: You figure out how to keep Bell on the roster
Speaker 4: and you slide him into the linebacking corps because you
Speaker 4: have so many safeties you want to keep right.
Speaker 5: But to me, he's a special uh kind of a
Speaker 5: specialty linebacker right on my change up defenses. But I'm
Speaker 5: looking for a core guy to take Leyton vander spot.
Speaker 5: If he gets hurt. You got Damon Clark. Do I
Speaker 5: have to then say Parsons is a linebacker?
Speaker 4: Well, they're down over. Shown basically took this whole thing.
Speaker 4: He basically took Anthony Barr's spot. Yes, okay, and so
Speaker 4: that too. They were they were replacing Anthony Barr with
Speaker 4: overshown and we talk about Gifford, but it's but it
Speaker 4: was Anthony Barr spot that he took. We only talk
Speaker 4: about Gifford from a specialty.
Speaker 2: At that point.
Speaker 4: Okay, So they are in need of a linebacker, yes.
Speaker 5: Yes, so, And I just don't know that you want
Speaker 5: to keep getting older at that spot, like saying, Okay,
Speaker 5: we're going to sign bar back.
Speaker 2: But is Giffer? Is he ready to play?
Speaker 5: No, Giffer, it's gone.
Speaker 2: I know, but if you would have signed him, I see.
Speaker 4: You got two minutes to get into what Everson has
Speaker 4: been waiting for, which is corners in safeties.
Speaker 5: I kept ten.
Speaker 4: Okay. I don't know if they can start with the starters. Okay,
Speaker 4: less confusing. Okay, So you got gilmour Andre and you
Speaker 4: got the three safeties, Donovan Wilson, Curse and Hooker. Okay,
Speaker 4: so there's five five.
Speaker 5: Then after that Deron Bland.
Speaker 4: Corner he's a starter.
Speaker 5: Six.
Speaker 4: That's six.
Speaker 5: There's your six starters.
Speaker 2: C J.
Speaker 5: Goodwin's gonna make the team.
Speaker 4: But he may not make the team today.
Speaker 5: Right, Eric Scott.
Speaker 4: I think they like fill okay, safety.
Speaker 5: And then they've got to decide on one Yeer Thomas
Speaker 5: or Kelvin Joseph I think.
Speaker 4: Okay, So no Sean Wright, what about him?
Speaker 5: Well, you got to decide on right and mcclamu also. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so there's four. There's four guys right there. Now. Mcclamu
Speaker 5: was playing late in that preseason game.
Speaker 4: It's clear we need to expand the roster.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you remember last year when you said did you
Speaker 5: cut him? I said, yeah, I got it down to
Speaker 5: fifty five, right, and then three special teams guys.
Speaker 2: Right when you look at the Sean Right, I thought
Speaker 2: he did well at the end of last sear see,
Speaker 2: but he's in a boot still.
Speaker 4: So he's one of those that Okay, if it's if
Speaker 4: it's going to be four weeks.
Speaker 5: You get it.
Speaker 4: You have to keep him on the fifty three and
Speaker 4: then you put him on I R. This is then
Speaker 4: Jordan Lewis is another one who's on PUP and he
Speaker 4: can stay on pup.
Speaker 2: Bills chance.
Speaker 4: I think they on PUP, which is four weeks.
Speaker 2: I think this is Bill's chance to step out and
Speaker 2: show what he can do. Yeah, this is really his
Speaker 2: chance to do that and not just be some guy.
Speaker 2: That's a good story, right, But somebody can go in
Speaker 2: there and be considered part of the package.
Speaker 5: Well, they started using them in Overshwan spot on the Nickel.
Speaker 4: Defense position, flexibility, see.
Speaker 5: And the other thing you got to figure out. We
Speaker 5: keep talking about cutting somebody and then signing them back,
Speaker 5: but how many do you have in that category? Beside
Speaker 5: uh C J. Goodwin and maybe.
Speaker 4: Deep snapper Trent sig Sieg.
Speaker 5: There's not I don't think there's anybody else you sneak through.
Speaker 4: So that opened up two spots for today to get
Speaker 4: someone to.
Speaker 5: Right and is there another one that they feel like
Speaker 5: they can say, Okay, just go sit over there and
Speaker 5: then we'll bring you back.
Speaker 2: Okay. A lot of options as far as you couldn't
Speaker 2: do it with a lot of options for DBS, A
Speaker 2: lot of options.
Speaker 5: You could do it with Cooper Rush. Okay, unless somebody
Speaker 5: comes in slams a big contract at him and he
Speaker 5: says syonara.
Speaker 2: This late in the season, late in Yeah.
Speaker 4: That would be just like the Cowboys to do that
Speaker 4: and then get caught after all the time. No, I'm
Speaker 4: not getting caught, but just.
Speaker 5: All the talk and then everybody's like, oh, they only
Speaker 5: kept two quarterback to Trey Lance is the backup.
Speaker 2: Okay, don't say that, Bill, don't bring that up. I
Speaker 2: don't want that brought up.
Speaker 4: All right, So that does it for our I think
Speaker 4: we covered in they edition, and I don't know that
Speaker 4: we got anything.
Speaker 5: Kickers Kickers, No, he's here, he's got it.
Speaker 4: He made it.
Speaker 5: Although some who just kept cut their kicker Kave York,
Speaker 5: who was a local product right now, somebody else did and.
Speaker 4: They Cleveland cut him. He was a draft pick and
Speaker 4: they traded packers.
Speaker 2: I think the pack is kind of punter or something.
Speaker 4: Yes, they did all right. There will be a lot
Speaker 4: of cuts later today, eleven hundred and eighty four people.
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